Mike McCarthy: Packers’ approach to free agency is like Groundhog Day

AP

Much like Bill Murray in Punxsutawney, Packers coach Mike McCarthy feels like he keeps having the same conversations at the annual NFL meetings, over and over again.

McCarthy said that every year at the league meeting he gets asked why the Packers aren’t more active in free agency, and every year he says the same thing.

“We obviously have a philosophy,” McCarthy said, via TheMMQB.com. “It’s kind of like Groundhog Day. I feel like I answer this every year, so I’ll try to be creative and answer it differently this year. But it’s just the way we operate. We do the evaluations. We just stick to our plan. Our number one priority always has been to sign our own free agents. We go into every offseason—if we have 10 conversations, nine-and-a-half of them are about our own guys.”

All the Packers have done this year is sign their own guys: Green Bay is the only team in the NFL that hasn’t signed away a free agent from another team this offseason.

But that approach works well for the Packers, who have made the playoffs five years in a row. If you draft well, you can focus on re-signing your own players and not worry about breaking the bank to attract free agents from other teams. That’s what the Packers do, over and over again.

128 responses to “Mike McCarthy: Packers’ approach to free agency is like Groundhog Day

  1. It works well because of the QB situation. Without Rodgers, they’re in a heap of trouble.

    BUT, as long as they have him and their valuable draft picks enjoy playing with Rodgers, they will continue to have this philosophy.

  2. The philosophy is obviously to let Aaron Rodgers carry the poor GM, coaching staff, and defense as far as he can. He’s done pretty well so far but Thompson and McCarthy would have been fired years ago without him. Don’t really have much to say about the defense.. See the last game they played.

  3. Maybe some other teams should watch, over and over and over, and over again. What they do is successful. They build through the draft, and try not to overspend on players as much as possible.

    Teams that win in March, rarely win in February.

  4. With a salary cap, in a sport where injury happens a lot, depth matters. Free agency, especially the first week or so, typically results in overspending on players who aren’t as good as their contract demands. You rarely see a franchise player hit free agency because if they are good enough their team resigns them before it gets to that point. So the questions in free agency you have to ask yourself are 1. What is this guy worth? and 2. Why did his last team not do whatever it takes to resign them? You factor in the salary cap that allows only so many of these signings and you’re sacrificing depth for players who aren’t as good as they seem. Players also age fast in this league. You sign a free agent who played great for 5 or 6 years and now he is that much older and declining. Would you rather pay multiple young players who are still getting better or one older player who is only getting worse? Typically it is not a wise investment, other than short term patching ala what the Patriots do. There is a reason the biggest spenders in free agency never win Super Bowls.

  5. All of these great football programs are brilliant because they don’t have to worry about the QB. I could GM a 10-win team with Brady, Manning, Rodgers, or Luck as my QB.

  6. Needing to spend tons of money in free agency means you are not spending enough time developing player you have drafted or not properly scouting the players you draft. It makes sense to occasionally bring in a player that compliments your scheme, or fills a hole that BPA in the draft keeps missing, but being in the Mike Wallace/Peyton Manning/Ndomukung Suh derby every year is a bad sign.

    If you have continuity in your coaching staff and front office, you’re able to build a roster around an offensive and defensive scheme that players come up in rather than having to plug holes and fit players into ever changing schemes and philosophies.

  7. I am a Bears fan but my take is of course Aaron Rodgers like Tom Brady enables their FA approach. However, the self destructive Lions and Bears and a weak Vikes team has also enabled their philosophy. Why or why do the Pack get 20 plus years of Favre and Rodgers and my Bears always have QB problems? Actually I do blame the QB thing on Papa Halas setting the tone for the Bears org.

  8. mayhemiv says:
    Mar 30, 2015 4:16 PM
    Seems to me making the playoffs 5 years in a row has more to do with having Aaron Rodgers than drafting/free agency.
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    Umm, Rodgers became a Packer via… ya know… the draft.

  9. They win their division more often than not. They make the playoffs every year. What is the big deal?

    I guarantee you….compare them to the team that is the most active in free agency (whoever it is) and the Packers record is far superior.

    Plus…if another team signed both Bulaga and Cobb…they would be hailed as big time free agent players. Just because they were on the Packers doesn’t make their signings any less of a move.

  10. peytonshead says:
    Mar 30, 2015 4:13 PM

    The philosophy is obviously to let Aaron Rodgers carry the poor GM, coaching staff, and defense as far as he can. He’s done pretty well so far but Thompson and McCarthy would have been fired years ago without him

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    When Favre was playing everyone said the same thing.

    Then Rodgers was available in the draft, he slid all day long and everyone said he would be a bust.

    Packers Drafted and Developed (philosophy McCarthy is talking about) and he became a great player.

    Are you starting to see the point here?!?!

  11. A good philosophy, but it doesn’t have to be EITHER free agents OR draft and develop. I get that Thompson has his ideas and sticks to them, but it would be nice if he’d go into free agency a little more often, especially when there’s a glaring need. (Such as ILB.) Ah well, I guess we Pack fans are pretty used to it by now. And when TT does make a move, it’s usually a good one – Pickett, Woodson, Peppers…

  12. mayhemiv says:
    Mar 30, 2015 4:16 PM
    Seems to me making the playoffs 5 years in a row has more to do with having Aaron Rodgers than drafting/free agency.
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    And just how do you think they landed Aaron Rodgers? Drafting or Free Agency?

  13. why if you’re the colts do you spend so much money on old players when you have a 25 year old franchise elite qb? but up a system around him this isn’t 38 year old peyton manning we’re talking about.

  14. Since the initial years of Free Agency (93), the Packers went from signing a bunch of guys that were big names to slowing down and trying to develop guys from the draft. Some people would assume that meant that they should have kept getting big names in Free Agency, but unfortunately the days of signing guys like Reggie White, Sean Jones, Andre Rison, Eugene Robinson, etc in a short couple year span and being successful are long over. From that initial FA splurge to now, the Packers have 2 Super Bowl wins and 3 berths (only a handful of teams can say that) and have gone to the playoffs 17 of the last 22 years (which no other team can say). That’s with Favre and Rodgers, yes, but the Packers didn’t go out and try to find a new QB in Free Agency, they took a guy from the draft that they felt would fill in ok for Favre and they picked well. While having Super Bowl wins is nice, what’s great is that the Packers have been in the playoff hunt since I started high school in 93. I’d say the draft and develop method has worked out pretty dang well for them.

  15. The day will come when the packers will need to spend money in free agency. But as long as they don’t have to worry about a starting quarterback it makes it a heck of a lot easier. A lot of these teams have gone through countless quarterbacks the last fifteen, twenty years. Packers are spoiled.

  16. After they won that first Super Bowl with Rodgers, it looked like they were poised to dominate for years to come – their team was so young & deep everywhere. People forget how well they played the year right after that SB win, going 15-1 and AR locking up his first MVP award. Kinda crazy that the Giants took them down that year; then again, the Giants took everyone down during that postseason.

  17. mayhemiv says:
    Mar 30, 2015 4:16 PM
    Seems to me making the playoffs 5 years in a row has more to do with having Aaron Rodgers than drafting/free agency.
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    You must not have seen the season where Rodgers got hurt, and the Packers had to grind it out without him…. sure they weren’t as impressive as they are with him but if they drafted as poorly as people claim they wouldn’t have been able to tread that water without him for nearly half a season.
    When you take one of the best QBs in the NFL off the field its going to hurt the team… it isn’t like Cutler to McCown or Ponder to Cassell. This taking a top 5 QB and replacing him with someone that may be around the 40ish best.

  18. Rodgers was drafted, developed and extended twice without going to free agency. Part of the plan.

  19. What the Packers have done as well if not better than everyone else is be great at quarterback for the last 23 years. During that time, but for the qb’s they will likely have had 3 players that are or will be HOF. Reggie White, Charles Woodson and Julius Peppers. All drafted by….someone else. Favre and Rogers like Brady, Manning, Brees and Roethlisberger have covered so many blunders by a vastly overrated front office.

  20. ermi0101 says:

    When Favre was playing everyone said the same thing.

    Then Rodgers was available in the draft, he slid all day long and everyone said he would be a bust.

    Packers Drafted and Developed (philosophy McCarthy is talking about) and he became a great player.

    Are you starting to see the point here?!?!

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    Or maybe Aaron Rodgers just has the heart, desire and ability to be great on his own? Which would explain why the packers highly touted first and second round picks aren’t all pros? Nick Perry, Jerel Worthy, Casey Hayward, Derek Sherrod, BJ Raji, Brian Brohm, Justin Harrell…

  21. sterlingrodgers says:
    Mar 30, 2015 4:20 PM
    There have been some first and second-round whiffs in recent years, but there are always 3 or 4 guys out of every draft class that become solid starters.
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    Absolutely, and I believe the right way to tell success, in a draft is how many starters/role players you can get not who gets the 1st round pick right.

    A few year ago they drafted Datone Jones, sure he isn’t tearing up the NFL, but GB got a very good starting RB in Lacy, a LT that has been solid in Bakhtiari and a good Role player in Micah Hyde that could develop into a solid Nickelback.

  22. In my opinion, as a GB fan and shareholder, TT is wasting away the prime years of AR’s career by continually being tight with the checkbook. This is why the Patriots continue to be the best TEAM in football. Brady is superb, but he cannot do it alone and management recognizes this. AR cannot do it alone, either. If top tier talent is not brought in within the next couple of years, Rodgers’ immense talent will have been squandered.

  23. “Since the initial years of Free Agency (93), the Packers went from signing a bunch of guys that were big names to slowing down and trying to develop guys from the draft. Some people would assume that meant that they should have kept getting big names in Free Agency, but unfortunately the days of signing guys like Reggie White, Sean Jones, Andre Rison, Eugene Robinson, etc in a short couple year span and being successful are long over.”

    when Free Agency and the Salary Cap first started, many teams were so poorly managed and terrible at budgeting because it was all new. The Packers took advantage of this in the early 90s to their benefit. Since then teams understand the cap a lot more and the Packers know better than to overspend on other teams garbage.

  24. Ted Thompson was a Ron Wolf employee. Ron Wolf is going into the Hall of Fame this year. Ron had no fear of signing free agents. Remember Reggie White? Ted will sign one every five years. But this year is a major mistake by Thompson. One starting corner is gone, a top backup corner is gone. The inside linebacker depth is weak at best. Moving Clay Matthews there is hoping for the best and hoping failure Nick Perry on the outside can play better.
    The assumption is a guy with a few years in the league is WORSE than a rookie they train. Really? Ask Seattle or New England. Both teams are not afraid to sign free agents. Tightwad Ted Thompson is still in the running to have the most salary cap money left at the beginning of the season. I’ll go to Walmart and get him a trophy.

  25. Life Long Packer Fan Here

    This philosophy only works with a great QB. Like a few have said all ready Ted might have ended up being fired had he not drafted Rodgers. He has had some lack luster draft picks over the years (check out the 2007 draft class) and several 1st round busts. I am not a “only spend on your own free agent” guy. That doesn’t mean I’m a fan of spend big on every free agent either. You looking for some middle ground

    Also people say he signs big name free agents once and awhile. He actually doesn’t. Woodson and Peppers were both cut by their respective teams allowing GB to sign them without losing compensation for thier own free agents. So in a nutshell the only big name free agents GB will ever bring in are ones that are cut.

    I think Green bay could have been a much more dominate team if they picked up a big name free agent once and awhile.

    Meanwhile people say that spending big in free agency doesn’t equal a super bowl. That’s only half true. There is always a hand full of teams in the playoffs every year that draft well and spend on big names. A team that drafts well and dips into free agency on occasion can be more dominate than a team that live and dies by their draft choices.

  26. “Without Rodgers they’re in a heap of trouble?” Name one contending team that can continue to contend without their current starting QB. Seattle maybe. Denver, New Orleans, New England, Detroit, Atlanta, San Fran, Indy, Baltimore, San Diego, Dallas, Carolina… no way.

  27. bondlake says:
    Mar 30, 2015 5:03 PM
    In my opinion, as a GB fan and shareholder, TT is wasting away the prime years of AR’s career by continually being tight with the checkbook.
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    LOL… fans like you were the ones whining about not signing Steven Jackson and Jarius Byrd…

    How’d those Free Agents work out?

    I’d rather Draft good players, resign ’em (Clay, Cobb, Bulaga, Nelson, Rodgers) then waste away our cap like the Cowboys – then watch as Our All Pro Runningback leaves in free agency…. Goofballs don’t see the big picture, that’s why children are not GMs.

  28. What is this myth that the Packers never sign free agents? Last year they gave $30 million to Julius Peppers and they signed Letroy Guion about six minutes after the Vikings cut him. The Packers and their fans are perpetuating this myth because they think it makes them sound like they’re so much better than every other franchise.

  29. hodag54501 says:
    Mar 30, 2015 5:06 PM
    Ron had no fear of signing free agents. Remember Reggie White?
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    I remember having a garbage team in the early 90s, aside from LeRoy and Sterling, who’d we have that was eating up cap room?

    Compare that to today’s team where we’ve got an All Pro QB, along with a good oline, good wideouts, OLBs, etc.

    Even the “Fearless” Ron Wolf stopped the spending spree in the late 90s when he had to lock up our OWN guys.

  30. “The philosophy is obviously to let Aaron Rodgers carry the poor GM, coaching staff, and defense as far as he can.”
    And did AR draft and develop all those other Packer players around him who make this team so successful year after year,nope,it was your so called poor GM and coaching staff that puts them in solid position every year so if your going to allow crap to flow out of your mouth then make sure it makes some sense.

  31. When they don’t have Favre and Rodgers to carry them to the postseason basically every year, their philosophy is going to change real fast.

  32. Rodgers was drafted, all but one of there players was drafted or undrafted, it works and works well, the problem with other teams is they feel they have to win right now, our way works, as a fan it really drives you nuts when everyone else is snatching up all the good players in free agency

  33. I admire the draft first approach Green Bay utilizes at the present moment. Draft well, develop well and you are dealing with a solid core to build a franchise around.

  34. Say what you want, but the whole World saw
    the real Packers when Rodgers was hurt. Without him
    they are a very regular team.
    Same with every team with an elite QB.
    Packers just got very lucky with 2 QB’s in a row.

  35. Stiff, blew the super bowl. Twice inside the 1 with the best QB on the planet kicking field goals. If it wasn’t for Rogers he’d be a sub 500 coach. Overrated

  36. omegalh sez: “I could GM a 10-win team with Brady, Manning, Rodgers, or Luck as my QB.”

    or you could have a 12-win team if you had Russell Wilson. or 11 per regular season with Marino, Ryan or Luck. Just sayin.

  37. The Packers sign free agents, they’re just smart with cap management. They sign their own guys and don’t throw “stupid money” at free agents like a lot of teams do. And the Packers aren’t the only team that succeeds with this approach, the Pittsburgh Steelers and a few other organizations come to mind. Bottom line is if your team needs to spend lots of money in free agency to be competitive, that’s a sure sign of a poor scouting department…

  38. When you have Rodgers as your QB you don’t have to worry about much… Makes average players All Pro’s. Pluss you have the fact your in Green Bay Wisconsin good lord its Wisconsin lol had to

  39. The Green Bay truffle pig has scored big with Favre and Rodgers. I’d bet the farm that the truffle pigs luck has run out. When Rodgers is done the Pack will be back to the 80’s….

  40. Maybe they would win more SBs with a different approach. Since 2000 the only NFC team with two is New York.

  41. The philosophy is very sound, as long as you have Rodgers or Brady or Wilson. Of course, there is always that one free agent who can solidify the Defense; Reggie White.

  42. lets be real, it is really pathetic and the main reason we wont be back to the SB while thompson is here. Please bring me John Schneider for xmas!!!!!

  43. Of the 67 players currently listed on the Packers roster, 32 of them were free agents, 2 were waiver claims, and 33 were drafted by the Packers. Of the 33 draftees, 17 of them were drafted the last two years.

    Of the 16 players drafted prior to 2013 who are still on the roster, Rodgers is the most tenured drafted player, being the sole remaining member from the 2005 class. Nobody left from 2006. Kicker Crosby from 2007. Jordy Nelson and guard Josh Sitton from 2008. Raji, Matthews, and Lang from 2009. Bulaga, Neal, Burnett, Quarless, and Starks from 2010. Cobb from 2011. Perry, Hayward, and Daniels from 2012.

    For those talking about the Packers greatness spanning the Favre years, remind us again who drafted Favre… The Packers are one of the great franchises in NFL history, but this same tired conversation feels made up by the media to me.

  44. The NFL record 13 time World Champion Green Bay Packers are the most successful franchise in NFL history. The methodology has been validated in the trophy room and record books.

  45. 23 years with two “franchise quarterbacks” is the key to remaining among the elite. That’s the cornerstone of every top flight franchise. Couple that with pretty solid drafts and it’s easier to stay the course, not panic and overpay for to many free agents. Relying on free agency is a proven path to disaster….

  46. The packers playoff results are like ground hogs day, “one and done

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    Your math is awful,,, and Vikings Superbowls Wins are like February 31st..

  47. A team that signs Cobb, Bulaga, and Raji would be considered as doing well in free agency. They were quality players when the Packers drafted them. They were developed into NFL stars.

    The other thing that makes the Packers way successful is that they always have compensatory picks that gives them extra chances to draft players.

    Plus they do well in the late rounds of the draft, Starks 6th round, Hyde and Linsley, 5th round, Barrington in the 7th round.

    They will find quality players in this year’s draft also.

  48. let’s see how that philosophy works if you had a christian ponder type qb…. and aside from clay matthews, ted thompson is terrible at drafting defensive players in the first round

    green bay is essentially the colts of the nfc but with an older quarterback… they win an easy division every and are usually excused from the playoffs quickly.

    you know what I like about green bay in relation to groundhogs day? aaron rodgers destroys easy defenses in the regular season and every postseason is shut down by superior defenses…. every year, year in and year out…. it’s ground-rodgers day!

  49. tokyofilthblaster says:

    “The NFL record 13 time World Champion Green Bay Packers are the most successful franchise in NFL history. The methodology has been validated in the trophy room and record books.”

    Firstly, how successful were they in Seattle a couple months ago? They were wildly successful if you are discussing choking.

    Secondly, Super Bowls are what count in the Super Bowl era. And that makes your Packers 3rd on the list behind the Steelers and Cowboys, and

    The Packers are a very good team. Nobody is saying they are not, but the last thing they did in the football world was choke away a 16-0 halftime lead to miss out on going to the SB, and here you are on here acting like they won the last 3 SB’s in a row.

    You are such a homer, your last name MUST be Simpson.
    Be sure to say hello to Marge and Bart

  50. pervyspankspackfans says: Mar 30, 2015 6:11 PM

    The Green Bay truffle pig has scored big with Favre and Rodgers. I’d bet the farm that the truffle pigs luck has run out. When Rodgers is done the Pack will be back to the 80’s….

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    That would be a bad bet, Pervy — born of frustration more than wisdom.

    When the time comes, the draft and develop Packers will be ready.

    The new guy might still be in high school.

    But he’ll be given plenty of time to develop and will be ready when the day comes.

    It’s the essence of draft and develop.

  51. Also that fact GBay lists as #5 as places NFL players DO NOT WANT TO GO (Bleacher report I think or maybe cheater something) might be a factor in it too. Oakland is # 1.

    It is kind of like a 500 pound woman ugly as all get out saying, “Well I don’t try to go out on dates, you know it is not my style.”

  52. For as much complaining as the Viking trolls do on how Rodgers is a part of the Packer success, yes that is true.

    What is equally true is the year Rodgers was drafted, the Vikings had two first rounders and pass Rodgers by twice before GB nabbed him. I just smile every time I think of that.

  53. jsrdc says:
    Mar 30, 2015 6:52 PM
    tokyofilthblaster says:

    “The NFL record 13 time World Champion Green Bay Packers are the most successful franchise in NFL history. The methodology has been validated in the trophy room and record books.”

    Firstly, how successful were they in Seattle a couple months ago? They were wildly successful if you are discussing choking.

    Secondly, Super Bowls are what count in the Super Bowl era. And that makes your Packers 3rd on the list behind the Steelers and Cowboys, and

    The Packers are a very good team. Nobody is saying they are not, but the last thing they did in the football world was choke away a 16-0 halftime lead to miss out on going to the SB, and here you are on here acting like they won the last 3 SB’s in a row.

    You are such a homer, your last name MUST be Simpson.
    Be sure to say hello to Marge and Bart
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    Damn…wow well said!!!

  54. Ted Thompson usually doesn’t starting paying much attention at work until day two or three of the draft.

    So, this is like most years for the Packers. Not much in free agency, then a big swing and a miss on a defensive lineman or LB with their first-round pick, then TT “the genius” starts to get his act together.

  55. So according to a lot of you is ALL about Aaron Rodgers. There is no doubt that you need a great QB to be competitive in the NFL but that statement can be made about any successful team. Do you really think New England wins without Brady? Where was Denver before Manning? How important is Andrew Luck to the Colts? The Packer philosophy works they don’t generally go after other team’s rejects and they can keep their own players because they know how to manage the salary cap. Just New Orleans and Dallas about that.

  56. Its hilarious that the rest of the NFC North won 1 SB but all they want to do is bring up history. A strong sign of how excited they are about the future! Get a clue trolls!!

  57. Get off this team, Mike. When you were the 49ers’ offensive coordinator in April 2005 and that team had the #1 overall pick, you played a big role in taking Alex Smith over Rodgers.

  58. lambeauheap says:
    Mar 30, 2015 4:34 PM
    Well maybe if they brought in some more FAs they would have more than 2 super bowls since we first landed on the moon
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    That theory hasn’t worked for Mn, Det, or chi.

  59. ariani1985 says:
    Mar 30, 2015 7:31 PM
    Is it bad timing to bring up the Wisconsin economy?
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    No.

    The number one problem with any economy is unbalanced income disparity. Minnesota ranks dead last in disparity between whites and non-whites.

    Start tootin’ your horn.

  60. Mar 30, 2015 6:52 PM
    tokyofilthblaster says:

    “The NFL record 13 time World Champion Green Bay Packers are the most successful franchise in NFL history. The methodology has been validated in the trophy room and record books.”

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    1. Most of GB’s championships were over 50 years ago when there were only a relative handful of teams full of slow, overweight guys playing a essentially a minor league game much closer to rugby than modern-era NFL football.

    2. Absent Aaron Rodgers, the Green Bay Packers are a very average football team. The rest of the offense and especially the defense is mediocre.

    3. The coaching staff is also mediocre at best. McCarthy coached his way to losing the Championship game last year, in keeping with his playoff record over the past few years, and continues to hold the league record for severe injuries in pre-season. I can understand a year or two being bad luck. But every year the Packers have more injuries, and severe injuries, than any other team. That’s not bad luck. That’s bad coaching and training staff. Great QBs make head coaches look a lot better than they are. Such is the case with McCarthy.

    4. Ted Thompson isn’t exactly a “genius” when it comes to the draft- and he sits out free agency for the most part. Look at the Packer’s first round draft picks since Aaron Rodgers in 2005:

    2006: AJ Hawk
    2007: Justin Harrell
    2008: Jordy Nelson
    2009: BJ Raji
    2009: Clay Matthews
    2010: Bryan Bulaga
    2011: Derek Sherrod
    2012: Nick Perry
    2013: Datone Jones
    2014: HaHa Clinton Dix

    Of all those picks, only Nelson and Matthews were worthy of a first-round pick. Bulaga has been good when healthy, but that’s only been about half the time- but who spends a first-round pick on a RT? Too early to tell on Clinton Dix, and the rest were busts.

  61. It amazes me how many idiots come in here and repeatedly say how the Packers would be nothing without Rodgers. While that’s fairly accurate the notion that any elite team wouldn’t be screwed without their marquee player (Brady, Luck, Marshawn, Brees – last year notwithstanding come to mind) is just the fodder for haters. Every elite team has that one player they can’t afford to lose….people have hated like that on Green Bay for over a quarter century. Not every team is blessed with a franchise QB the likes of Rodgers or Favre, and while it’s obvious that the Packers would struggle without Rodgers, to suggest any contender wouldn’t do the same without their best player is ignorant at best.

  62. As for the Wisconsin economy, go ahead and bring it up….unless you want to talk about how terrible Scott Walker is, then you are dismissed to the little kids’ table as you clearly aren’t equipped for that conversation either.

  63. people make racial slurs on this site and it goes on just fine. i write “BS” (the ACRONYM, not the WORD) and i get censored. THANKS GUYS.

  64. Alright, I’m a Bears’ fan, but really there’s no reason why the Pack in the Favre-Vadgers era couldn’t have been as dominant as the Bill-Brady era (meaning SBs, not just play-off appearances).

    Various philosophies are successful in the NFL.

    Both the Pats and Seahawks are relatively active in off-season .Pats swooped up Moss/Revis – Hawks too many to name, but Harvin/Graham/Skittles via non-draft.

    Those who have the luxury of a true franchise QB are at a great advantage. It’s simply about picking and choosing the RIGHT FAs to complement the QB.

    The Pack haven’t done that, and god bless the “philosophy” for that cuz we’ve all seen what kind of team the philosophy has built when Rodgers went down.

  65. Norse,
    #1 BEST TEAM 13 times PERIOD!
    #2 If the Bulls didn’t have Jordan………
    #3 How many consecutive playoff years??
    #4 Average 1st round, much better overall
    Nelson 1st rounder? go look it up again
    Look up the O line also!

  66. Remember when the Packers drafted a safety in the first round and then developed him into a guy who stands and watches while somebody completes a Hail Mary two-point conversion at the most critical point in the NFC championship game?

  67. Packers run a nice program but it’s not for everyone. Surprised how arrogant packers fans can be when they sell they are the opposite.

  68. Jordy Nelson was a 2nd round pick !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pack dominate NFC North !
    Favre was drafted by Atlanta and traded for by Ron Wolf who wanted the Jets to take him when he was there.

  69. What is equally true is the year Rodgers was drafted, the Vikings had two first rounders and pass Rodgers by twice before GB nabbed him. I just smile every time I think of that.

    I’ve seen this said more than once by Packer fans. Its got to be one of the dumbest things ever posted. The Vikings had Culpepper at 26 years old coming off a near MVP season. Why in gods green earth would they take a QB in the first round? Farve on the other hand was 35 and was nearing the end of his career, so that pick by the Packers made sense. They needed a successor.

    As for the “take best player available” theory, by that reasoning, the Pack are stupid for not taking Russell Wilson before Seattle grabbed him. Hey, he was the best player, hard to argue he wasn’t after what he has done. Besides,the pack DOES draft for need, Clinton Dix was a need. Baluga was a need. Matthews was a need. Lacy was a need.

  70. Norseman says:

    “Absent Aaron Rodgers, the Green Bay Packers are a very average football team. The rest of the offense and especially the defense is mediocre”.

    I fully disagree with you on the “rest of the offense” being “mediocre”. Randall Cobb, Jordie Nelson, and Eddie Lacy are not mediocre football players. Nor is Clay Matthews or Julius Peppers “mediocre” on the D. You don’t get to the playoffs 5 years in a row if you are a mediocre team.

    Being quiet in FA doesn’t necessarily mean anything. McCarthy is NOT a mediocre coach – see: The packers have made the playoffs 5 years in a row.

    Lastly, how can you call out Clinton-dix not worthy of a first round pick after one season? Seriously?

    Obviously as a Vikes fan, you are a GB hater. I am not a GB hater, nor am I a Vikes fan. But I am a football fan generally speaking, and extreme homer posts on either side of the aisles need to be called out – you put out a homer post just like tokyofilthblaster, who I have called out several times for his green kool-aid drunken homer posts. Yours is the purple kool-aid

    GB isn’t the end-all be-all, nor are they mediocre. The pendulum swings heavily both ways in tokyofilthblaster’s case as well as yours. It is one thing to be a homer, just like it is to be a hater, and it is obvious which side of the aisle you are on, bro.

    And let’s not forget GB does have 4 more SB trophies in their legacy (and trophy case) versus that of your Vikings…….

  71. Yeah just think that the packers passed on Harrison Smith twice and settled for He Ha Dix instead and all he had to do was give an effort!

    By the way, Wisconsin is dead last in agricultural GDP!

    #boohyah

  72. Frazier28/7 says:
    Mar 30, 2015 6:52 PM
    you know what I like about green bay in relation to groundhogs day? aaron rodgers destroys easy defenses in the regular season and every postseason is shut down by superior defenses…. every year, year in and year out…. it’s ground-rodgers day!
    //////////////////////////////////////////////

    Was 2010/11 an in or out year? Who, pray tell, won the Super Bowl that year and who was the SB MVP?

  73. 2006: AJ Hawk
    2007: Justin Harrell
    2008: Jordy Nelson
    2009: BJ Raji
    2009: Clay Matthews
    2010: Bryan Bulaga
    2011: Derek Sherrod
    2012: Nick Perry
    2013: Datone Jones
    2014: HaHa Clinton Dix

    Hawk has very comparable numbers to Chad Greenway, so I suppose Greenway’s a bust, too.

    Harrell and Sherrod were plagued by injuries their entire career. I’m not calling them busts, but you can’t really call them bad picks, because TT doesn’t have a crystal Ball.

    Raji made the Pro Bowl as a NT. Then the Packers moved him to DE. He is back at NT and he looked every bit the part of a Pro Bowler last year before getting hurt.

    Jordy was a 2nd rounder, but thanks for putting him on the list.

    Bulaga has played at a pro bowl level when not hurt.

    Perry and Jones have shown flashes, but yes, they have underwhelmed so far. But they have been hampered by injuries as well. Logically, you have to categorize them as incomplete and not throw the bust tag on them already. They still have a lot of football in front of them

  74. I’ll tell you what feels like Groundhog Day. It’s Mike McCarthy saying the word “obviously”. He can’t talk without saying it.

    He says stuff like, “well, obviously, we tried to run on that play because Eddie Lacy is obviously a good running back and we felt that their defense would obviously be playing for a pass. And obviously, it didn’t work”. So obviously, if we had it to do over again, we’d obviously have done something else”.

    If you don’t believe he says it all the time, watch or listen to him. Obviously.

  75. You Viking trolls can whine, cry and stomp your feet all you want. (Actually, that’s how we prefer it.)

    You love to claim that Rodgers covers for bad coaching and inept management. Green Bay’s just been lucky all these years.
    Hey, whatever helps you sleep better at night.

    Truth is that year in and year out, your favorite team is outcoached and outplayed. Deal with it.
    McCarthy’s had a stranglehold on the division since he’s arrived and this honestly isn’t going to change in the near future.

    Trust me, it certainly helps to gave a franchise QB on your team
    That’s why teams invest so much in them.
    But, you also have to have a solid supporting cast. We do.

    Dan Marino was the best pure passer I’ve ever seen play the game of football. He never won a Super Bowl.
    And he had a Hall of Fame coach calling the shots.

  76. Plus…if another team signed both Bulaga and Cobb…they would be hailed as big time free agent players. Just because they were on the Packers doesn’t make their signings any less of a move.
    —-
    It really does. Because your team is merely treading water, not improving. If another team signed them, they would be improving their lineup, not keeping it the same.

  77. When Favre was playing everyone said the same thing.

    Then Rodgers was available in the draft, he slid all day long and everyone said he would be a bust.

    Packers Drafted and Developed (philosophy McCarthy is talking about) and he became a great player.

    Are you starting to see the point here?!?!
    —–
    That GB is hoping to get lucky and draft a QB that will carry the team for another 10 years?

  78. Meanwhile, the Vikings lost out the first time around in a bidding war for Mike Wallace. He proved to be a total bust signing in Miami and that he’s a crap WR and yet they go and trade for him 2 years after he’s proven to be trash.

    The rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer.

  79. “A lot of GM’s would like to emulate the Packer system, but they have billionaire owners who are just too impatient.”

    This^. In every possible way. I’d rather have draft hits than the FA ups and downs.

  80. Say what you want about how successful the Packers have been not signing elite FA’s. However as a Packer fan I would truly be more excited about this season if a guy like Graham now playing for the seahawks( which terrifies me) was playing for us. I enjoy watching FA Frenzy hoping one day TT does something exciting just for the fans. After all the NFL would be nothing if it wasn’t for us fans.

  81. Let’s face it.

    It works. But the better players lost to the better coaches in the NFC Championship Game last year. Let’s sign a quality free agent coach!

  82. wafflestomp says:Mar 30, 2015 10:16 PM

    I find it so ironic when Minnesota trolls try to tell Green Bay fans how screwed up and mismanaged the Packers are.

    You fools are laughable.

    You got that right. Serious Vikings fans when was the last time you won anything? You talk about how pathetic our drafts are, how bad our coach is, and how we wouldn’t be anywhere without Rodgers. I actually agree about Rodgers but most teams with franchise QB’s are in a huge amount of trouble if they go down ALL of them.
    When was the last time you had a franchise QB in Minnesota? Tarkenton? He was great but that was a LONG time ago. We have had two QB’s that will be in the HOF. When was the last time you appeared in a Super Bowl? 1979?
    The last really good coach you had was who? Bud Grant? Denny Green was decent but his teams choked very consistently.

    But I guess it makes you feel better to troll the fans of the team that torments you every year.

  83. sonofad says:
    Mar 30, 2015 9:11 PM

    Fans of inept teams are often bewildered by the methodology of perennial winners like the Packers.

    SO WHAT WERE PACKER FANS SAYING FROM ABOUT 1968 TILL ROUGHLY 1993? OR 1999 2000 AND A FEW YEARS SINCE THEN?

  84. It works now and for one reason, Aaron Rogers. Without him this team would need all the free agents it can get its hands on because the dbacks are all guys you never heard of except Dix. The linebackers minus Mathews is below average, just average with him, and the pass rush hasn’t existed in five seasons.

    Last year they opted for the muck older Peppers and could have had a young eager rusher in Jared Allen.

    Actually the team has failed miserably filling holes and in letting top talent go, not anticipating that they can’t replace the guy in the draft.

  85. leatherface2012 says:
    Mar 31, 2015 8:20 AM

    sonofad says:
    Mar 30, 2015 9:11 PM

    Fans of inept teams are often bewildered by the methodology of perennial winners like the Packers.

    SO WHAT WERE PACKER FANS SAYING FROM ABOUT 1968 TILL ROUGHLY 1993? OR 1999 2000 AND A FEW YEARS SINCE THEN?
    ==================================
    Probably the same things that any other fan would say in their down years.

    Then again, the Packers have made the playoffs 17 out of the last 22 years, 3 Super Bowl appearances, and 2 Super Bowl victories. There are a handful of other teams that can say that.

    For example, the Vikings have made the playoffs 11 out of the last 22 years, with 0 Super Bowl appearances and thus, 0 Super Bowl victories. 1 playoff appearance in the last 5 years. One and done, to the Packers, in the playoffs.

    Clearly, the Viking way is superior.

  86. tqaztec says:
    Mar 31, 2015 8:43 AM

    Rodgers in the playoffs:

    SB year: 4-0
    other years: 2-5
    ==================================
    Clearly, Rodgers is an awful playoff QB. In 3 of those losses, his defense gave up 133 points.

    He was only able to muster an average of 314 yards per game, 8 total touchdowns, and 3 INT’s in those games, as well as an average rating of 97 in those losses.

    Obviously, the guy is a bum. The Packers need to get rid of him. There’s no place in the NFL for a QB with playoff stats of 23 TD’s, 7 INT’s and a rating over 100.

  87. ariani1985 says:
    Mar 30, 2015 7:31 PM
    Is it bad timing to bring up the Wisconsin economy?
    /////////////////////////////////////////////

    You tell me.

    “The Bureau of Labor Statistics has released its most recent Quarterly Census of Employment and Wages, the higher-quality but time-delayed job statistics that go deep into the state and county level.
    The numbers, now available through the first quarter of 2014, paint a less promising picture of job growth in Minnesota last year than we’ve been seeing in the monthly job numbers.
    According to the new data, which everyone agrees is more reliable than the monthly numbers, Minnesota ranked 41st in the nation in private sector job growth from March 2013 to March 2014, with a growth rate of 0.8 percent.
    That ranks last in the Midwest. Behind Michigan, behind Iowa, behind Illinois, and, unfortunately, behind Wisconsin.”

  88. frank booth says:
    Mar 31, 2015 10:28 AM
    tqaztec says:
    Mar 31, 2015 8:43 AM

    Rodgers in the playoffs:

    SB year: 4-0
    other years: 2-5
    ==================================
    Clearly, Rodgers is an awful playoff QB. In 3 of those losses, his defense gave up 133 points.

    He was only able to muster an average of 314 yards per game, 8 total touchdowns, and 3 INT’s in those games, as well as an average rating of 97 in those losses.

    Obviously, the guy is a bum. The Packers need to get rid of him. There’s no place in the NFL for a QB with playoff stats of 23 TD’s, 7 INT’s and a rating over 100.
    ==================================

    Wins matter. Not stats.

  89. frank booth says: Mar 31, 2015 10:28 AM

    tqaztec says:
    Mar 31, 2015 8:43 AM

    Rodgers in the playoffs:

    SB year: 4-0
    other years: 2-5
    ==================================
    Clearly, Rodgers is an awful playoff QB. In 3 of those losses, his defense gave up 133 points.

    He was only able to muster an average of 314 yards per game, 8 total touchdowns, and 3 INT’s in those games, as well as an average rating of 97 in those losses.

    Obviously, the guy is a bum. The Packers need to get rid of him. There’s no place in the NFL for a QB with playoff stats of 23 TD’s, 7 INT’s and a rating over 100.

    ——————–

    Thank you for reinforcing my point about how mediocre the rest of the Packer franchise is outside of Aaron Rodgers.

    Going 2-5 in the playoffs (one of which was against the Joe Webb-led Vikings, which was about as close to a gimme as you could expect in a playoff game) since the SB when your QB has awesome stats like that proves that point beyond a reasonable doubt.

  90. @tqaztec

    Wins of course, do matter in the playoffs. It’s a poorly held secret that most QB’s don’t star on defense. So if in three of those losses, teams are averaging 44 points against a QB that’s averaging 314 ypg and over TD’s with a rating of near 100, that certainly isn’t on the QB.

    Then again, look at the great Trent Dilfer, 5-1 in the playoffs. 4 TD’s and 4 INT’s, a 44% completion rate, and 66 rating. But stats don’t matter.

    Certainly, based on Dilfer’s winning percentage, it’s clear that Dilfer is a much better QB than Rodgers in the playoffs. Wins matter- I guess Baltimore’s defense had nothing to do with carrying the Ravens. The Hall of Fame has a place waiting for Trent Dilfer.

    Dilfer was instrumental leading his Ravens to a Super Bowl victory while completing 48% of his passes and throwing for a touchdown and 153 yards in a 34-7 victory. Good God- If Dilfer doesn’t throw that touchdown, it’s possible that the Ravens only win by 20.

    Norseman- not sure if you know this, but most teams play in more playoff games and not every playoff team makes the Super Bowl. Ultimately, every team in the playoffs in a given year is going to lose a playoff game except for one. Also, you may be interested to know that most franchises are pretty mediocre to bad without their elite QB. See, that’s what makes them elite. That’s why they get paid so much- take a look at the Broncos and the following year Elway retired, Manning and his injured season with the Colts, The Cardinals after Warner left- If you look real hard, I’ll bet you’ll see a pattern. Heck, look what happened to the Cardinals this year after Palmer went out.

    Take the Vikings (please) for instance- tons of playoff appearances, nothing to show for it. A Hall of Fame coach with a losing playoff record. I guess that’s proof how mediocre the Vikings were despite the genius of the great Bud Grant.

  91. @ frank booth

    “most teams play in more playoff games” ?

    Anyway, the general thrust of my comment, and many others like it, that the Packers are a very mediocre team/franchise without Aaron Rodgers is born out by Rodgers’ impressive playoff stats that contradict his win-loss record since the SB.

    It is nice that in your round-about comments you manage to acknowledge that the Packers are a mediocrce to bad team without Rodgers, which is something most Packer fans are loathe to admit, preferring to bask in the fiction that the Packer franchise is some long-standing juggernaut destined to perennial greatness.

    The Vikings teams of the 70s were more complete teams than recent Packer teams. Not only did they have a HOF QB and HOF head coach, but also a dominant defense like Seattle has today. They just didn’t win the big one.

    But, as Bud Grant has always said when asked about his Super Bowl record- 0-4 is not the worst record in the Super Bowl. 0-0 is.

  92. This might be a little late to all of the packer haters out there, but the NFL comes down to one thing. A QB. We drafted one and you did not.

  93. @norseman-

    You make a good point when you talk about 0-4 in the Super Bowl better than 0-0. So it’s really difficult to understand how Vikings fans can rip Packer fans when the Packers had won a Super Bowl in 2010 and have made the playoffs for the last 5 years, when the Vikings have made it to the playoffs once and were defeated by the Packers.

    Of course the Packers are going to be worse without Rodgers, just like the Pats would be worse without Brady, Broncos sans Manning, and the Colts without Luck, etc. Any idiot can see that a team that loses it’s marquee player, especially a QB, is going to be significantly affected.

    Vikings fans need to get over their inferiority complex. The Packers have dominated them over the past several years, and have been a more successful franchise, be it earlier or in the Super Bowl era, and don’t carry the same significance in NFL history as earlier teams such as the Packers, Bears, and Giants. They had loads of Hall of Famers in the early 70’s, along with a Hall of Fame QB who faltered miserably in Super Bowls and a coach with a losing playoff record who couldn’t win the big one. That’s what the Vikings are known for. That, and helping the Cowboys become a powerhouse.

    I’m a Bears fan, actually. I have no problem saying that the Packers have been a more successful franchise than the Bears, especially in the Super Bowl era, because it’s a simple fact. Aaron Rodgers is a great QB and I’d love to have him on the Bears. Has he faltered in the playoffs at times? Yes. So has pretty much every other QB in the league.

    Vikings fans squeal that Rodgers is always injured, when he’s only missed 7 games in 2013- other than that, he’s started every game since 2008, except for two where he sat out the last game of the season after playoff position was decided. If Vikings fans want any respect, they should probably stop staying stupid things and act like they have some knowledge about football. Might want to stop ripping the Packers playoff record, when they have an SB trophy within the last 5 years, and consistently slaughter the Vikings. Also, it’s pretty hard to rag a team for choking in the NFCC, when your team can’t even crack the playoffs, and has had 3 previous playoff disasters in NFC Championship games.

  94. “Mike McCarthy: Packers’ approach to free agency is like Groundhog Day”

    That pretty much sums it up. Ted Thompson puts a choke hold on the team’s wallet and then sticks his head in a hole in the ground until free agency is over.

    This is one of the reasons the Packers can’t beat the better teams in the playoffs. That and Aaron Rodgers’ annual Discount Double Choke in the post season.

  95. whatjusthapped says:
    Mar 30, 2015 7:27 PM
    For as much complaining as the Viking trolls do on how Rodgers is a part of the Packer success, yes that is true.

    What is equally true is the year Rodgers was drafted, the Vikings had two first rounders and pass Rodgers by twice before GB nabbed him. I just smile every time I think of that.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Laugh if you want, idiots often do. That draft was after a year in which a much- younger -than -Favre Culpepper was in the running for MVP. The Vikings had other needs besides QB, why would they draft him?

    Remember when the Pack took Mandrich instead of Barry Sanders?????

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