Browns, Falcons penalties likely won’t be relevant to #DeflateGate

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The punishments imposed Monday on the Browns and Falcons for their violations of game-integrity provisions suggested a surprising degree of lenience from the league.  Sure, the teams will pay a combined $600,000 into the NFL’s coffers (fine money typically is used for charitable endeavors), but between them only one draft pick was lost — a fifth-round selection in 2016.

So this is good news for the Patriots, who still face potential punishment for allegedly tampering with the air pressure in footballs during the AFC championship, right?

Maybe not.  The Browns and Falcons admitted guilt quickly, allowing the situations to be resolved without further fattening Ted Wells’ fees.  The Patriots, in contrast, have strongly and vehemently denied wrongdoing.

And the Patriots very well may face no punishment at all, if Wells concludes they did nothing wrong.  But if Wells eventually finds a smoking gun or concludes based on the circumstantial evidence that the infraction occurred, the league may go harder on the Patriots, relatively speaking, since the Patriots failed to acknowledge their misconduct.

Regardless of how it plays out, the Patriots aren’t likely to get a slap on the wrist.  Either they’re innocent and there will be no punishment, or they’re guilty (which would make their strong denials hollow at best, false at worst) and there will be a significant punishment.

122 responses to “Browns, Falcons penalties likely won’t be relevant to #DeflateGate

  1. I believe that the Pats did nothing wrong, or at least no real evidence will be found (despite Chris Mortensen and ESPN’s best efforts). Plus, if the Browns can successfully argue that Haslam knew nothing, and the Falcons that the GM knew nothing and it was a rogue stadium employee (not bloody likely), then how can the NFL hope to pin anything on anyone of importance in the Patriots organization?

    Having said that, I truly believe that this whole thing was a setup by Kensil in an attempt to catch the Pats at something. But he seemingly didn’t keep track of any evidence along the way.

    I believe that the ex-Jets with an ax to grind (Kensil & Grigson) primarily wanted a huge distraction for the Pats leading up to the Super Bowl.

    Mission accomplished, except that the Pats won. Oh well.

    At the minimum, Kensil should be fired.

  2. How is suspending Ray Farmer for 4 games a punishment? He won’t be able to watch the game from the GM box?

    And when is the NFL going to punish the NE Cheaters?

  3. You won’t have to wait long to find out. Right before Easter Weekend is a perfect time for the league to release the report.

  4. The Patriots are also repeat offenders. If they were innocent common sense says it would have been announced by now instead of letting it go this far.

  5. 12 of 12 balls under-inflated for the Pats, 12 of 12 balls inflated properly for the Colts.
    Um, yeah, that is wrongdoing.
    Period!

  6. Of course the Patriots will get hammered by the league if they’re found guilty. They’re the Patriots, the World champions, America’s whipping boys, the team America loves to hate. Nobody gives a damn about the Falcons or any other team anyways.

    OK, cue the haters.

  7. These “penalty’s” are a joke, the NFL has become anything but credible lately.

  8. I realize that the Pats were the ones initially accused of wrongdoing in this ridiculous soap opera but how does this summary not include the word ‘Colts’ somewhere?

  9. What punishment do you believe that Mike Kensil, Ryan Grigson and the Colts organization will face for trying to frame the Patriots?

  10. While I’d like to think the Wells investigation will be thorough and fair, given the climate, I don’t believe it will be.

    I believe it’s completed and they’re drafting language in the results to make it sound like there was a finding with some teeth. But it’s all for public consumption. Nothing to see here.

    They’ll find a low ranking scapegoat, minor security breach and move on.

  11. I wonder what the World Champions are going to do with the Colts first round pick for trying to frame the World Champion Patriots?

    I CAN’T WAIT TO FIND OUT!

  12. Test the balls at halftime of any game played below room temperature, and there will be some degree of deflation. The problem is no one has ever tested ball PSI at halftime because no one has ever cared. The balls weren’t deflated enough (most @ 1PSI according to reports) for deliberate tampering to make any sense.

  13. Hey Mike your logic makes no sense. The Patriots fully admitted to illegal taping (spygate) and lost a first round draft pick. It’s the team, not the crime!!

  14. team is in trouble for the deflation scandal it should be the colts, not the Patriots

  15. There will be punishment but it will be the Colts punished for deflating the ball. The Colts had to stick a gauge in the ball to test the psi air pressure. That very act is tampering with the ball. And, as the New York papers shouted, it takes less than 2 seconds to deflate a ball. All the circumstantial evidence points to the Colts as the guilty party, even if they accidentally released air pressure when checking the psi level.

  16. hahahahahahha “significant punishment”, like when they were caught taping practices? that was a slap on the wrist also. ANY fines are completely useless, and taking away the last pick in the first round doesnt do justice to cheating their way to a Super Bowl. The only REAL justice, is taking away what they didnt deserve- the Lombardi Trophy. Cycling took away Lance’s titles b/c he cheated to get them- thats how all sports should be. No matter how this plays out, the pats got their super bowl and the league wont take it away.

  17. my favorite team is the Bears. I wish the NFL would give all the forfeited picks to us. However, we would probably miss on those ones as well.

  18. I have been a Falcon fan since I moved Atlanta in 1970. We deserve the penalties and more. I grew up in a city where sportsmanship is more important than winning. A win only counts if you won fair and square.

    I can only hope the ownership did not know this was going on. Regardless our home wins should be vacated. We will not celebrate wins that came from cheating!

  19. This is just unbelievable.

    The Falcons tried to influence a live game and they got a slap on the wrist.

    The pats video taped 1 foot into the no video taping zone and they lost a number 1 pick and 500k fine for BB.

    And they openly admitted what they did.

  20. Why would Brady about a pound of air pressure. He can throw the ball just as well at 13.5 as 11.5. The idea they did this is stupid.

  21. Significant punishment? For the Patriots?
    Goodell would never punish his BFF Bob Kraft especially now since they kissed and made up..

  22. This investigation is still going on…..its like holding your breath during a play review…..only this is a little faster than a play review.

  23. I think the reason the league hasn’t announced the “Deflategate” results, is simply BECAUSE no one has admitted wrong doing. Given the many possible paths of possible wrongdoing, by so many teams, and the league itself, I can’t blame them for wanting to take their time. After all, we don’t need another Ray Rice rush-to-close-it-down type of investigation.

    I just hope they get this and the Revis tampering cases buttoned up before draft day. Bill needs to figure out who he’s getting with those Jets and Colts picks.

  24. They already were allowed to win the Superbowl*. Which has an asterisk after its name because the league didn’t act timely in dealing with the Partiot* cheaters!

  25. Right headline Florio, except for the name: It’s FrameGate. There is no DeflateGate, never was. With Kensil, Ravens assistant coaches and Colts dweeb GM and the so-called ‘evidence’ (a) never being recorded and (b) sold by a corrupt NFL official, the only thing to do is put Irsay in a padded cell for life and throw away the key along with his dealers number.

  26. I guess I will try this again, my first comment was a little too pro Patriots to get by the sensors…

    The NFL and Goodell made it clear long ago that they are going to find the Patriots guilty. The leaks all pointed to guilt, even if they were all made up lies. Goodell never put any of those false rumors to bed, so they just fester. And anyone who reads these comments knows, anything that isnt denied, is deemed true.

    If Wells had found something, the investigation would be over. But he hasnt. Isnt it a little strange that in more than 2 months time he hasnt found anything??? Especially since it was soooo obvious to everyone from fans to writers to tv personalities to politicians that the Pats were guilty. Weird that they couldnt find anything. So they continue to search. The investigation will end when they A) Find something, or B) They conclude there is nothing to it and they will then manufacture evidence that makes the Pats guilty. After all, as I said, the NFL has already deemed them guilty, they are just working backwards to find the proof, or making up the proof where none exists

  27. So… No one knows if the league will punish the Patriots harder or easier than the browns or falcons if they get punished at all…?

    Thanks for clearing that up.

  28. Guess we won’t know until the report comes out, so it is useless to guess what will happen. There are so many moving parts to this that do NOT involve the Pats, so ……. Also, who put words in the Colts’ player’s mouth that he later denied saying?? Hmmmm …. One thought is that the teams involved in trying to point fingers are ones that take an annual pounding the team located in Foxboro …

  29. These soft penalties in advance of the Patriots “deflategate” review are simply laying the groundwork for little or no action against the Patriots. It is common knowledge that Goodell and the Patriots are in bed together…so these two lame “penalties” only serve to “convince the public” that Roger is being “fair and balanced”. Roger Goodell is a clown…and the NFL is fast becoming a joke.

  30. Said it all along. I don’t care if they did it. It’s not that big of a deal to me. But if they did, they need to admit it. Probably would’ve blown over already if they did. But nothing really surprises me with this team anymore.

  31. Of course not, every other team gets penalized for breaking the rules but Kraft’s yes man would never penalize the bosses team.

  32. I’m not convinced this is correct. I think there is a fair chance that they come up empty on proving intentional wrongdoing but could find procedural faults (i.e., lack of oversight or failing to follow League directives with respect to caring for game balls), and for that they could receive a similar punishment to Cleveland or Atlanta (late round pick and a fine).

  33. Or they’ll find the Colts guilty of tampering with the single (and only) ball that showed a significant drop in PSI after being in their care for 30-60minutes.

  34. “concludes based on the circumstantial evidence that the infraction occurred”

    Sorry, if any punishment is based off of circumstantial evidence Goodell should be fired by the owners!! If the ball the Colts gave the NFL was low on air pressure, then circumstantially they lowered the air pressure. Perhaps the officials who’s word they checked the balls and they were fine, so it must be true (even though one official has already been fired from that game), circumstantially are to blame. There obviously was a circumstance, but without proof no punishment should be levied.

  35. There is no misconduct…..the Colts and Ravens should be punished….getting tired of Pats bashing….Even spygate was misrepresented as to the actual truth. ESPN as well as the NFL is a tired twosome.

  36. 15 games of fake crowd noise (2 years) = 5th round pick and $350k fine

    1 game of illegal camera placement = 1st round pick and $750k fine
    ——

    BOTH teams “admitted” guilt, so the premise of this post doesn’t hold any merit.

  37. The rule is a 25K fine, so it cant be more than that unless the league plans to unfairly punish them again. What is the penalty for trying to frame another team?

  38. Cue the Patsie fans with their “LOL”, “haters”, “drink our tears”, and other such irrelevant juvenile nonsense. I know it’s hard Pats fans, but could we just discuss the topic at hand? Did they cheat or didn’t they? Of course they did. Even their fans know this…which is why we only get irrelevant comments. Will they be punished? Not likely. No one is “angry” or “jealous” of the fact that the Pats are the world champions. They’re angry that the Pats keep getting away with cheating.

  39. There’s a third option…

    Pats are guilty but Goodell sweeps it under the rug with a slight slap based on “Pats not exercising good game ball security” or some similar BS of the like.

    #B.Bonds
    #L.Armstrong
    #NE. Patriots

  40. Browns & Falcons haven’t won anything! The Pats on the other hand have. Being a diehard Pats fan, I see those Turkeys (ex-Jets employees) in the NFL front office off strip 4 first round Draft choices…… That should satisfy the Haters.

    Who are these idiots kidding, suspend (read a vacation) for the first 4 weeks of the season. A GM does nothing anyways during that time frame. On the other hand the weeks from 90 to 53 are the important ones.

    Guess the 5th round is appropriate for the benefits of the crowd noise that the Falcons received. Imported crown noise yet these Hapless Falcons have hot made it to the Playoffs during that time period.

    Look at the 2008 forfeited 1st round pick given up by the Pats…. They won 3 Super Bowls with Spygate….. Oh yeah, it became only illegal in 2007…. What now you haters!!

  41. What’s interesting is the allegation (with some proof behind it) of Indianapolis piping in crowd noise, and the admission that Atlanta did so is HUGE in the realm of competitive advantage and integrity of the game – and Roger Goodell basically treated them with the same leniancy as he initially did Ray Rice beating a woman unconscious.

    Anyone who doubts that should just ask teams if the 12th Man in Seattle gave them a home field advantage.

    Deflategate? Only ONE ball (not 11 folks – pay attention) reportedly deflated below what normal atmospheric conditions would explain? And knowing that ONE ball was in the hands of the Colts, and an NFL official who has a VERY clear BIAS against Belichick and the Patriots?

    That may suggest someone ELSE deflated it to set up the Pats. And did that ONE ball impact the integirty of the game and provide a competitive advantage?

    Clearly NOT – Brady had a MUCH better 2nd half.

    So NFL – time to finish the Wells report, FIRE MIKE KENSIL, and apologize to the Patriots and all NFL fans and STOP these stupid witch hunts to appease jealous fans of lesser organizations once and for all.

  42. During Spygate, the Patriots fully admitted they didn’t film from the designated spot. They fully co-operated with the NFL and accepted their punishment. During Deflategate, the Patriots have strongly denied any wrong doing. In fact Kraft wants an apology from the NFL.

    The footballs were approved by NFL officials for play. Even if the footballs deflated during the game because of temperature and was noticed, the Patriots can not add more pressure to the footballs as that would be tampering.

    If the footballs were approved by game day officials and no evidence of deliberate tampering can be found and there is scientific evidence that footballs deflate or inflate because of temperature, how can the NFL fine the Patriots.

    The football that was intercepted by the Colt player was given to the equipment manager to keep as a souvenir and not because he noticed a deflated football as was earlier reported by a reporter who covers the Colts. This football was handled on the field by NFL officials and they didn’t notice anything wrong. It was handled by NFL players and didn’t notice anything wrong but the football that was in possession on the Colts sideline for 20 minutes was found the be deflated beyond the norm. What happened to that football once it left the field of play is probably being investigated.

    So far the only wrong doing that has been found was a NFL official who was fired because he was keeping some gameday footballs to sell for personal profit.

  43. Without a smoking gun, the only circumstantial evidence of wrongdoing falls on the Colts for turning in the 1 ball that was out of whack.
    It still surprises me that anybody can still believe that a football can hold at the same PSI after taking from inside to a cooler, rainy outside.
    It’s literally impossible.
    The Colts obviously were prepared, and also prepared their footballs to withstand the natural drop in PSI.
    They knew exactly what they were doing with this sting. But it sure looks like they failed miserably.
    Now I ask again; in the history of the league, have they ever tested the PSI at halftime or the end of game to measure the consistency? I think this is the 1st time ever. No wonder the simpletons don;t know that a PSI drop below 12.5 PSI has undoubtedly happened in hundreds, even thousands of NFL games without anybody ever being called a “cheater”.

  44. The Pats were caught taping practices? When did that happen? Never mind, I get it. It’s a Bills fan.

  45. Wait until when and if Ted Wells finds some smoking gun other than the league office’s botched sting operation before even commenting.

  46. Could someone-anyone, please tell me when the Patriots taped another teams practice.

  47. whywerule says:
    Mar 31, 2015 8:00 AM
    What punishment do you believe that Mike Kensil, Ryan Grigson and the Colts organization will face for trying to frame the Patriots?
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    Goodell has already set up Kensil to take the fall when he said that “I” had no personal knowledge. That means that others in the league did know and concocted a plan to take the Patriots down. Grigson distracted his own team and pissed off Pagano at half time of a 17-7 game. Kensil and Grigson are the keystone cops that made the league look bad. Unless Wells finds a smoking gun, Kensil will be suspended or fired. Of course, that depends on Goodell doing his job and there are serious doubts about that happening. A Kensil firing will be the closest Robert Kraft gets to a formal apology from the league.

  48. Anyone who thinks Goodell favors the Pats is nuts.

    If he really wanted to protect the team there would never have been a deflategate in the first place. Spygate would have been played down instead of overblown into something it wasn’t to make the tin foil hat / bspn hysteria crew happy.

    The league office is full of former Jets employees that loathe the Pats and their winning ways, Goodell first and foremost.

  49. Hey letsgobuffalo4, you may or may not know this, but the Patriots were *never* caught taping other team’s practices or walkthroughs, so you should really stop trying to smear them based on this. Seriously, just google it. The Boston Herald even retracted the story and apologized for it.

    They got caught taping from a location they shouldn’t have been taping from during the game. That’s it. It was legal to tape, just not in that location. Like Belichick said, tens of thousands of people were seeing the same thing they were taping. It was all out there.

    I still consider the punishment a huge injustice, especially with how the haters have run with it, and how the Falcons (who were actually gaining an in-game advantage by piping noise) merely got a slap on the wrist.

  50. Lol there was an NFL official swapping Out game balls in the afcg. Adam Vinatari of all people caught it. This official would than take the balls to sell on the side.
    The interesting thing about deflategate was the response in the league and media.

  51. Over 20 posters are demanding that the Patriots be punished for frame-gate. Not one has any actual facts or proof. If any of you ever get a jury summons, I’m hopeful that you can be excused.
    .

  52. You mean not significant to the punishment Indy will get for letting air out of the NE ball?

  53. I’ll be honest, I really thought the Pats were huge cheaters, and I wanted them to get killed over this, but the more I read about this, I honestly think that once the facts come out, it will be found that ONE ball was SLIGHTLY under-inflated.

    I don;t like the Pats, but I don;t think they cheated here, I really don’t.

  54. Colts will enjoy the awarding the WEASEL NATION’S (pats) first round pick. Pats have cheated before and now again, and are really ticked they got caught. If you are so good why are you always cheating? Tired.

  55. On Earth, footballs cooled 25 degrees due to weather lose about 1 psi of pressure due to the temperature drop alone.

    12.5 psi footballs then read 11.5 psi or so.

    13.5 psi Colts footballs then read 12.5 psi or so.

    TRY THE EXPERIMENT YOURSELF, with a football, a pump, a pressure gauge, and a refrigerator.

    This is easy. If anyone gets fined, it is Kenseth, then it’s the Colts, then the weatherman is next.

  56. whitetrash69 says: Mar 31, 2015 10:07 AM

    Since apologies are so important to NE,if guilty will Kraft give an apology to the 31 other teams and their fans?

    ——–

    When will Steeler Fan apologize for thinking their team is good without cheating with illegal PEDs or paying off the refs?

    #frauds
    #neveraDynasty
    #Steelers0legittitles
    #PatsWhippingBoys
    #yestheyare

  57. Here’s what we know about Deflategate

    Mike Kensil was DEEPLY involved in this investigation/sting

    Mike Kensil is the former Jets President who was jilted when Belichick “resigned as HC of the NYJ” and holds a clear anti-Patriots/Belichick bias

    The Jets organization and those close to the organization were INCENSED that the Patriots filed Tampering Charges against Woody Johnson (who admitted he tampered but feels the team should not be punished).

    This is clear based on the Jets making a petty, unfounded COUNTER Tampering Charge against the Patriots AFTER the Jets signed Revis

    Later on the SAME DAY that the Patriots filed tampering charges, former Jets President Mike Kensil put his anti-Patriots Sting Operation into effect – and Kensil may or may not himself have tampered with the supposed deflated football

    Coincidence??? I think not

    Let’s hope the Wells report focuses on the REAL issues of investigation and they fire Kensil to truly “protect the integrity of the game”

  58. BOW DOWN TO THE WORLD CHAMPIONS. WINNERS OF MORE SUPER BOWLS THAN ANY OTHER NFL TEAM IN THE LAST THIRD OF A CENTURY.

    #WEOWNU
    #WEOWNYOURTEAM
    #URNOTHING
    #KNEELBEFOREUS
    #ITSGREATTOBEKING

  59. It is clear as can be that someone from the organization gave the ball boy the nod to remove air from the football’s… I can see if 1 or 2 were short air pressure, but 90% of the balls? Anyone can see that it was Tom Brady who wanted this advantage in his pocket… God knows he can’t win anything in life without some help. The Patriots need to be punished, otherwise cheating is going to be a much more normal thing in this league!

  60. Poor, poor Patriots haters.

    To think you ACTUALLY believe your team belongs on the same field as the World Champion Patriots.

    To think you ACTUALLY believe your team is good enough to hang with the champs.

    To think you ACTUALLY believe we superior fans of the most superior team in football are going to stop gloating and rubbing it in.

    Poor deluded souls. You have my pity. 🙂

  61. tedmurph says:
    Mar 31, 2015 9:40 AM
    The Pats were caught taping practices? When did that happen? Never mind, I get it. It’s a Bills fan.
    ……………………………………………………
    Any fool can post what they want on this site and the haters will pick it up and run with it. They don’t bother to find out what actually happened. You can’t have facts getting in the way.

  62. jnbnet says: Mar 31, 2015 10:36 AM

    tedmurph says:
    Mar 31, 2015 9:40 AM
    The Pats were caught taping practices? When did that happen? Never mind, I get it. It’s a Bills fan.
    ……………………………………………………
    Any fool can post what they want on this site and the haters will pick it up and run with it. They don’t bother to find out what actually happened. You can’t have facts getting in the way.

    The only fact that matters is 28-24. 🙂

    Scoreboard baby. When you got scoreboard like the champs do…nothing else matters and that’s all there is to it.

    Losers make excuses. Winners got scoreboard.

    It’s SO GREAT TO BE KING! 🙂

  63. Wow, you can tell Pats fans know their team is the Lance Armstrong of the NFL, its obvious by their behavior. I would feel sorry for you Pats fans but you deserve every single cheater comment that comes your way because of how obnoxious you act, learn some class….

  64. Hey EJ: Fact of the matter is, recent reports HAVE indicated that only 1 or 2 balls were significantly under pressure. In fact, some recent reports have said that the *only* ball significantly under pressure was that which was in possession of the Colts.

    It seems you’re going by the Chris Mortenson report, which has since been mostly discredited. So I guess before you jump to conclusions on what’s “clear”, what happened in hypothetical situations, and whether anyone cheated, maybe you should wait until you have all the facts, mmkay?

    (As if Tom Brady needed much help in a freaking 45-7 blowout)

  65. I guess they definition of class must be wasting your life trolling every thread that says ‘Patriots’ full of bile but bereft of facts. Thanks for the heads up.

  66. whitetrash69 says: Mar 31, 2015 10:46 AM

    Wow, you can tell Pats fans know their team is the Lance Armstrong of the NFL, its obvious by their behavior. I would feel sorry for you Pats fans but you deserve every single cheater comment that comes your way because of how obnoxious you act, learn some class….

    —–

    BLAH BLAH BLAH. WE WILL ONCE YOU APOLOGIZE FOR THINKING YOUR TEAM IS GOOD WITHOUT CHEATING OR PAYING OFF REFS.

    APOLOGIZE FOR YOUR FOUR TAINTED TITLES IN THE 70s.

    APOLOGIZE FOR ROONEY AND NOLL INTRODUCING PEDS TO THE NFL.

    APOLOGIZE FOR WHAT HAPPENED TO STEVE COURSON AND MIKE WEBSTER.

    APOLOGIZE FOR PAYING OFF THE REF TO STEAL A TITLE FROM THE SEAHAWKS.

    APOLOGIZE FOR DR RYDZE.

    APOLOGIZE FOR THINKING YOUR TEAM DESERVES TO BE MENTIONED IN THE SAME BREATH AS THE 4 TIME SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS AND WINNERS OF MORE SUPER BOWL TITLES THAN ANY OTHER TEAM IN THE NFL IN THE LAST THIRD OF A CENTURY.

    APOLOGIZE FOR THE JOKE THAT YOU CALL A TEAM AND THEIR FANS RUNNING THEIR MOUTHS AND GETTING WHOOPED BY THE PATRIOTS ALMOST EVERY TIME.

    WE ARE WAITING. APOLOGIZE NOW.

  67. But they always play dumb every time things happen.

    ” I didn’t hear about it till Monday “.

  68. Patriot Hater is too funny.

    They had no problem for years dishing it out and running their mouths at us Patriot fans … but now it’s obvious they can’t take it right back! 🙂

    #waaah
    #wusses
    #growapair

  69. The NFL places little or no emphasis on ball security, and has never tracked inflation levels of game balls. I really don’t see how they can prove that anyone did anything deliberate to the footballs.

  70. At first I was surprised by all the Patriot fans defending their team, saying no big deal, etc. Then it was pointed out to me that they elect US Senators like Elizabeth Warren (Fauxcahontas) who lied about being an Native American to get affirmative action “credits” all the way to Harvard, the Teddy Kennedy / Mary Jo Kopechne affair, etc. so I decided that Massachusetts just honors cheats!

  71. pftusername1 says:
    Mar 31, 2015 8:23 AM
    Why would Brady about a pound of air pressure. He can throw the ball just as well at 13.5 as 11.5. The idea they did this is stupid.
    ____________

    Ummm…Brady was quoted saying he prefers footballs to be underinflated.

    Man, the Pats sure have a lot of “fans” these days, and they’re all conspiracy theorists apparently. As for all the HATER talk, why didn’t the 49ers, Cowboys, Steelers or Giants have this many “haters”? I wonder. Perhaps people don’t “hate” the Patriots for winning, they hate them for being caught cheating and bending rules multiple times.

  72. It is clear as can be that someone from the organization gave the ball boy the nod to remove air from the football’s… I can see if 1 or 2 were short air pressure, but 90% of the balls? Anyone can see that it was Tom Brady who wanted this advantage in his pocket… God knows he can’t win anything in life without some help. The Patriots need to be punished, otherwise cheating is going to be a much more normal thing in this league!
    ————————————————————-

    What is clear is that you simply do not understand the physics, those who do know 3 things. 1 the rule was written by morons, pressure IS NOT a measure of inflation unless it is accompanied by temperature. At about 20 degrees, a 13 psi ball looses over 1 psi because the absolute pressure drops by 4% and the absolute pressure is the sum of the atmospheric pressure and the internnal pressure (if you have not figured this out on your own, the guys at Carnegie Mellon have a video for you) and 3 most importantly people who are clueless are not intitled to an opinion.

  73. mightbegoingtohellforthis says:
    Mar 31, 2015 10:13 AM

    Why do Patriot fans act as if it were the Colts ball boy that got caught taking the bag of balls into the bathroom before the game?
    ———————————————————-
    Why are Colt fans eerily quiet on the subject? Because they fear the truth will come out and it will be shown they conspired to frame an opponent? But the saddest thing is that even if the Wells report clearly shows no proof of Patriots wrongdoing the folks who hate the Pats will simply continue to believe what they want. This is the true legacy of the massively overblown Spygate incident. Goodell in his haste to show he was the man came down with a punishment that didn’t fit the crime and to make matters worse he has all tapes destroyed giving the conspiracy theorists ammunition for years to come. Goodell did the Patriots no favors, instead he tainted his one true dynasty. Seeing that the NFL has tried to regulate dynasties out of the league it makes even more sense that he would do everything in his power to bring them down.

  74. turtlehut says:
    Mar 31, 2015 11:47 AM

    At first I was surprised by all the Patriot fans defending their team, saying no big deal, etc. Then it was pointed out to me that they elect US Senators like Elizabeth Warren (Fauxcahontas) who lied about being an Native American to get affirmative action “credits” all the way to Harvard, the Teddy Kennedy / Mary Jo Kopechne affair, etc. so I decided that Massachusetts just honors cheats!
    —————————————————-
    Well La-Dee_dah, look who came to the party. Your cable must be down and with no Fox brainwashing on you came here. So I decided I don’t give a rat’s what you decided.

  75. Funny thing about the Patriots – they immediately admitted to the taping on 2006 and took all punishment. They are vehemently denying this whole deflategate nonsense. Seems to me and any other sane person, that they fessed up when they ACTUALLY did something wrong. Why do you make it seem like they wouldn’t do that again? BB is nothing if not predictably straightforward…

    Why haven’t you mentioned the Colts or Ravens or Kensil at all here? Do yu really think they are all innocent of this BS? Boy are you going to look bad as a reporter when it comes out THEY cheated by trying to set up the Pats.

  76. mikebrownistheworstownerinprosports says:
    Mar 31, 2015 12:00 PM
    pftusername1 says:
    Mar 31, 2015 8:23 AM
    Why would Brady about a pound of air pressure. He can throw the ball just as well at 13.5 as 11.5. The idea they did this is stupid.
    ____________

    Ummm…Brady was quoted saying he prefers footballs to be underinflated.

    Man, the Pats sure have a lot of “fans” these days, and they’re all conspiracy theorists apparently. As for all the HATER talk, why didn’t the 49ers, Cowboys, Steelers or Giants have this many “haters”? I wonder. Perhaps people don’t “hate” the Patriots for winning, they hate them for being caught cheating and bending rules multiple times.

    Brady actually said he prefers the Balls to be at 12.5 – he never said “underinflated” so stop with they crybaby tantrums and lies.

  77. lolatpatshaters says:
    Mar 31, 2015 10:57 AM
    whitetrash69 says: Mar 31, 2015 10:46 AM

    Wow, you can tell Pats fans know their team is the Lance Armstrong of the NFL, its obvious by their behavior. I would feel sorry for you Pats fans but you deserve every single cheater comment that comes your way because of how obnoxious you act, learn some class….

    ____________________

    Lance Armstrong used PED’s. The Patriots did NOT. But the Steelers did. For all 4 of their “Championships”. Who’s the bugger cheaters? Who is more like Lance?

  78. Colts time of possession of the only football deflated by 2 PSI = 22:00

    Colts time of possession of football on the field = 22:11

    I guess that’s what you call a balanced offense.

  79. As for all the HATER talk, why didn’t the 49ers, Cowboys, Steelers or Giants have this many “haters”?
    ———————————————————-

    I’m a little young for the Steeler and 49er dynasties, but the Cowboys absolutely were one of the most despised teams in America when they were in SBowls year after year. Hating a winning team is human nature. People get sick of them. They start to root against them. Happened to the Celtics too. And the Canadians, to name a few. 95% of the Patds haters on on these threads are teams the Pats have trampled over the yrs, and they’re numerous. The Raider fans, still butt hurt about the ‘tuck rule’. AFCEast fans. Rams, Steelers, Colts, Chargers…on and on. I doubt many of the haters are Giants fans or Falcons fans or Viking fans, etc. The overblown and exagerrated cheating routine provides a convenient excuse for fans of lesser teams that can’t get over the fact their teams got beat. Cry on.

  80. billymack1968 says: Mar 31, 2015 12:43 PM

    Funny thing about the Patriots – they immediately admitted to the taping on 2006 and took all punishment.

    —-
    The Spygate story was the biggest crock in the history of professional sports at any time, any place, any universe. Hands down, bar none.

    When a rule says that taping can’t be done if the information is used in game then I think Bill had a very good reason to do what he did since he, you know… didn’t use that information in game. Why did Bill do that? Because…that is what THE RULE SAID! 🙂

    Unfortunately Fraudger Goodell decided that rules don’t really mean what they say and we know the rest of the story. Because he’s Fraudger and we’re not.

    If there was any justice, the Patriots would get that first round pick back. In the meantime, I will enjoy that championship. 🙂 Viva 28-24. 🙂

  81. But the Steelers did. For all 4 of their “Championships”.

    ———-
    5. Don’t forget Dr Rydze and that mysterious HGH purchase! 🙂

    What WAS he going to do with $175K of HGH? Pretty sure it was not for his medicine cabinet……

    Isn’t it funny that the Steelers haven’t even won ONE playoff game since Rydze was indicted with 181 counts of intent to distribute steroids and HGH.

    #HMMMMMMMMMMMM
    #justsayin

  82. CRYGATE – NFL to investigate teams for constantly crying after losing to the Patriots.

    If you can’t beat them on the field, then cry like little girls. Nice strategy ya bunch of loozahs.

  83. As others have said, the Patriots openly admitted to videotaping from the sideline in “Spygate”, which is a completely ridiculous name for the infraction since it never was illegal to “spy” on the opponents by videotaping their signals. In fact, you can still do that today, it just has to be done from the prescribed video booth location defined in the rules.

    The media, opponent fans and league were all incensed with the idea that they were “stealing signs” but that was not, and still is not, illegal unless the tape is being reviewed during the game underway. And that was clearly established as to not be the case.

    But Goodell wanted to make an impression on the rest of the league of being a “stern disciplinarian”, so he made an example of them and slapped the maximum permissible fines on Belichick and the team under the guise of Rule 17-2 “Extraordinarily Unfair Acts”.

    Under that rule, the commissioner has sole authority and the fines imposed are not open to appeal. The rule actually reads:
    “The Commissioner has the sole authority to investigate and take appropriate disciplinary and/or corrective measures if any club action, non-participant interference, or calamity occurs in an NFL game which he deems so extraordinarily unfair or outside the accepted tactics encountered in professional football [b]that such action has a major effect on the result of the game.”[/b]

    That last sentence shows that this rule was completely misapplied since the video taping had absolutely no impact on the Jets game in question. None.

    If Goodell tries to fine the Patriots or Belichick under this trumped up frame-gate nonsense you can expect an appeal to be lodged, and if refused by the commissioner, I would expect legal proceedings to be initiated against multiple parties including the NFL and commissioner.

    You can’t just keep making defamatory stuff like this up and expect them to sit there and keep taking it. It would be a slam dunk for the Patriots in an actual court of law.

  84. lolatpatshaters says:

    BOW DOWN TO THE WORLD CHAMPIONS.
    ————————————————-

    We’ve had a good month to chortle about putting the “Patriots haven’t won anything since Spygate” talk to rest

    But time to tone down the rhetoric. It’s one thing to put the haters in their place.

    We do that with logic and facts – explaining to the ignorant the facts of Spygate – that signal filming is done by all teams and continues today – and that Spygate = a violation in the first half of the first game of 2007 following a new rule implemented in 2006

    None of which impacts 2001-2004 seasons or Super Bowls in any way.

    Or the simple physics of ball deflation in the cold – and that Kensil is a VERY biased member of the NFL Front Office and can’t be trusted.

    Time to start taking the high road now and let the Haters keep the low road to themselves.

  85. @ravens1:

    I just checked the NFL Record Book and guess what? No asterisks by ANY teams who’ve won a SB, not the Patriots, not the 49ers, not the Broncos, etc.

  86. Pats fans asked for an apology, here it is.
    Patriots fans, I’m sorry that your team’s legacy is being cheaters, I’m sorry nobody considers the Patriots a real dynasty, I’m very sorry that the Steelers command respect and admiration while the Patriots are a disgrace, and I’m so sorry that in 50 years when people bring up Brady they will talk about him being a cheater instead of one of the greatest QBs of all time. I hope that will suffice.

  87. I agree joe, lol is not doing Pats fans any favors. That’s if he even is a Pats fan

  88. Why did the NFL consider the particular texts Ray Farmer sent to his coaches a “violation of game integrity”? The texts, which questioned bad play calls, did not, according to the NFL, cause any competitive advantage. The only harm done was to the pride of the Browns’ coaches to whom the texts were sent. Cheating was not even alleged?

    So, can someone please explain why the Browns were penalized?

  89. 28-24. 🙂 I know that makes you Patriots haters mad. 🙂

    Share your pain! Post something ANGRY for us!

    🙂

  90. “Unless specifically permitted by League rules, the use of cellular phones, smart phones, tablet devices, computers, wearable electronic devices such as Google Glass, and other electronic equipment by coaches, players, and other club personnel is prohibited in club-controlled areas including, but not limited to, sidelines and coaches’ booths,” the league’s electronic devices rule states. “These restrictions apply from ninety (90) minutes prior to kickoff through the end of the game, including halftime. Coaches, players, and other team personnel are permitted to use such electronic devices in the locker room prior to kickoff and are permitted to use League-issued Microsoft Surface tablets throughout game day for viewing coaches’ still photos.”

  91. So, who on the sidelines was receiving the CLE texts and why no discipline for him/them? They would seem to be the real offender.

  92. youknowiknowitall says:
    Mar 31, 2015 7:03 PM
    So, who on the sidelines was receiving the CLE texts and why no discipline for him/them? They would seem to be the real offender.
    _________________________________
    The texts were received by the OC and QB coach after bad play calls. So what? No one on this or any other web site, including you, can tell me what the heck is wrong with that since, according to the NFL, no competitive advantage was gained and there was no cheating. The OC has left and the QB coach was let go.
    So, again, can someone please explain why the Browns were penalized rather than just lightly fined and warned not to do it anymore?

  93. Here’s some facts and logic. 🙂

    Fact: the Patriots set their footballs to 12.5, the minimum. Brady said this range is what he prefers

    Fact: Brady did NOT at any time say he likes the footballs to be underinflated.

    Fact: We know the footballs slightly deflate “naturally” – this has been proven.

    Fact: The Patriots footballs will likely be under 12.5 if measured during the game.

    Fact: this is a major deficiency in the rulebook which I expect to be addressed

    Logical conclusion: Unless someone stuck a needle in the ball on purpose, this is not cheating in any way, shape or form. 🙂

    Fact: The NFL did not measure the Colts footballs before the game.

    Fact: We do not know what the Colts set them to, nor how their prep work impacted the pressure.

    Fact: It is quite possible that the Colts set them to the high end of the legal range therefore the natural deflation would still keep them over 12.5

    Logical conclusion: The “but the Colts footballs were legal” argument flies right over the cliff and splats on the canyon floor Wile E Coyote style 🙂

    These are facts not opinions. It really is futile to argue against what is fact. 🙂

  94. My my my… People are quick to judge. First and foremost, the media has spun this up for rating – especially ESPN. Every ‘new’ report contradicted the previous report. Don’t you find that odd?

    As a Patriots fan, I want to believe there was no wrong doing, but if they did deflate the footballs, then they deserve to be held accountable. But lets hold off on judgment until the Wells Report is released.

    Annnnnd for the record: the only ‘cheating’ scandal was Spygate which the team acknowledge, apologized and paid a hefty fine. But if people want to put an asterisk next to their titles then maybe we should put one by the following:

    Denver Broncos – Mike Shanahan admitted in an interview (2003 – SI) to steal signals from the press box. Or at least he had staff members up there with binoculars. Maybe John Elway should have a nice * next to his titles. Its all about intent, Folks..

    The Steel Curtain – rampant steroid use in the 70’s. Don’t you think that gave their players an unfair competitive advantage??

    Tampa Bay Bucs – how about Brad Johnson admitting to paying two guys over $7,000 to ‘alter’ a bunch of footballs just before the biggest game?

    Buffalo Bills – well they’re only guilty for choking four years in a row.

    So with that being said, get off your high horse already.

    #PatriotsNation

  95. If anyone should be off their high horse, it should be the disrespectful thousands of Patriots fans that used dead brother jokes on Torrey Smith, right after the incident. No respect for Patriots fans.

  96. 28-24.

    U still mad Pats haters?

    Of course you are. 🙂

    BOW DOWN CHUMPS. BOW TO THE KINGS OF THE NFL. KNOW YOUR PLACE AND KISS THE RING.

  97. bradyisafudgepackerlol says: Apr 1, 2015 3:12 PM

    If anyone should be off their high horse, it should be the disrespectful thousands of Patriots fans that used dead brother jokes on Torrey Smith, right after the incident. No respect for Patriots fans.

    ——–

    Yes. I’m sure it was “thousands”. LMAO.

  98. Denver Broncos – Mike Shanahan admitted in an interview (2003 – SI) to steal signals from the press box. Or at least he had staff members up there with binoculars. Maybe John Elway should have a nice * next to his titles. Its all about intent, Folks..


    The Denver Broncos are the only team in the history of the National Football League to be fined for taping practices.

  99. Sorry Pats fans, your team is the ONLY team people refer to as cheaters. I would estimate 75% of the criticism is because people hate cheating and 25% of it because their fans are obnoxious and ignorant. If being against cheating and lying makes us”haters” so be it, but at least we have our dignity.

  100. Your estimates are way off. 75% of the criticism is because people do not fully understand what Spygate was about, and the other 25% just refuse to acknowledge the fact that it wasn’t cheating. Compounding that, anything people refer to as cheating other than Spygate is a total fabrication.

    So are you ignorant or delusional?

  101. whitetrash69 says: Apr 1, 2015 4:10 PM

    Sorry Pats fans, your team is the ONLY team people refer to as cheaters. I would estimate 75% of the criticism is because people hate cheating and 25% of it because their fans are obnoxious and ignorant. If being against cheating and lying makes us”haters” so be it, but at least we have our dignity.

    4 titles for the Pats > 0 for the Steelers. Simple math really. Even a child could tell you that 4 is greater than 0.

    What… you didn’t actually think I should count titles won by cheating or paying off the officials do you? Nope. We fans of the World Champions and NFL’s Greatest Dynasty have too much honor and integrity to give a team that cheated to win 5 titles and paid off the refs to win 1 the “respect and admiration” that you are demanding from us.

    Win a legit title first and then come back to us. Not before.

  102. The only fabrications are the fairy tales being told by NE fans and their media. Spygate was much worse than what Patriots fans will ever admit, it didn’t happen in only one game, their punishment was a slap on the wrist, and the NFL wouldn’t destroy the evidence if it was no big deal. The NFL actually had to rewrite the rules on camera use because Belichick was exploiting them, similar to the use of eligible receivers this season. Also, nobody will ever convince me or reasonably intelligent people that the Pats didn’t record the Rams practice before that Super Bowl, the circumstances surrounding it are highly suspicious. You need to open up your eyes and use your brain, its not very hard.

  103. What’s funny is that everyone in America knows the Patriots are cheaters except you crybabies. Steroids lol, I guess every professional sports team in the 70s cheated too, oh and Rodney Harrison used PEDs, there’s another one for you whiners keeping track.

  104. NFL came down hard on the Pats for Spy gate, and that was a minor infraction. Here, we have no evidence yet, but if there’s a smoking gun, Pats will lose a first rounder and coach will be suspended a year.
    But NFL clearly hasn’t found much, if anything, or they would have wrapped it up by now. I think this was a setup by Baltimore, Indy/Grigson took the bait, and those two teams will be punished with a fine and 3rd round draft picks. I think Grigson will be fired for his incompetence.

  105. My favorite line;
    And the Patriots very well may face no punishment at all, if Wells concludes they did nothing wrong.

    Well, that is just beyond comprehension to the trolls. If they did nothing wrong, it should be at least a first rounder.

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