Hernandez jury enters fifth day of deliberations

AP

No news was no news on Monday from the Aaron Hernandez trial, with the jury not reaching a verdict in the fifth full day of deliberations.

Actually, there was some news.  The jurors want smoke breaks.  And they’ll get smoke breaks.  Which could help keep any tensions under control.

Per the Associated Press, the jury has deliberated more than 27 hours since last Tuesday afternoon.  Hernandez faces first- and second-degree murder charges in connection with the death of Odin Lloyd, along with a firearms and ammunition charges.

The longer the process takes, the greater the likelihood of a hung jury.  But the first hint of a problem has yet to emerge — the jury asking the judge via a note, “What happens if we can’t make a decision?”

88 responses to “Hernandez jury enters fifth day of deliberations

  1. Why can’t they reach a decision, does Hernandez have friends and relatives on the jury?

  2. It will be interesting to see what flimsy excuse they use to let the rich, famous guy go free.

  3. There always seems to be one idiot on a power trip or loving the attention caused by being attention holdout. Even with some critical evidence being disallowed, there is enough there for reasonable people to convict. AH originally claimed to have no knowledge and wasn’t at the murder scene even though his DNA attend shoe print were found. Closing arguments said he witnessed the murder and was traumatized. Combine that obvious lie with the other evidence and behavior of destroying evidence and it is a fairly easy call. There is probably at least one juror that can’t understand reasonable doubt and needs video to say he’s guilty. That’s a shame

  4. Must be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

    And, for the life of me, I cant figure out what doubt they might have. But, I agree with the system.

  5. Wow. Just Wow. Unless the “evidence” presented in this trial is WAY different than the information provided in the press… this is pretty frightening that any sane juror could have “reasonable” doubt regarding his guilt.

    Hey… that’s America for ya…

  6. ducknichols50 says:
    Apr 14, 2015 8:58 AM

    Must be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

    And, for the life of me, I cant figure out what doubt they might have. But, I agree with the system.
    ——

    The American System of Justice is flawed and broken, but too many people getting rich from it to fix it. Look around the world, it is not even top 15.

  7. All you need is a couple people on the jury who can’t stand cops or don’t trust the “system”, and they’ll hang it up nice and good. Evidence is secondary.

  8. He put too much money in this trial to not walk. All these stories have the same ending.

  9. Really surprised that the jury is taking this long. Even with no murder weapon in hand, I thought the prosecution had this one in the bag, especially with his fiance’s testimony.

  10. How hard would it be to pay a juror? Just asking.

    I said it before jurors have a hard time convicting rich people these days. People spend countless hours watching reality TV. This guy is clearly guilty and it’s taking this long for a verdict? Something is foul.

  11. Never understood the thought process of someone who wants to put some kind of smoke into their lungs.

  12. tommysaint1 says:
    Apr 14, 2015 8:32 AM
    He’s going to walk. He has a bright future in the NFL.

    Regardless of the outcome, which BTW i think he’s going to walk to on the murder charges he will still see a minimum of a few years on the gun charges alone, he still has another court case pending in which the case against him is a little stronger. He’s never playing in the NFL again.

  13. He’s going to dance just like Christopher Walken in the Why, why, why Deliah video

  14. robskins10 said:

    “All you need is a couple people on the jury who can’t stand cops or don’t trust the “system”, and they’ll hang it up nice and good. Evidence is secondary.”

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    If the prosecution did its job effectively during jury selection, any potential jurors who had such bias would have been excused.

  15. He’s guilty as sin and I think the jury knows that. But, guilty of what? Murder 1? Manslaughter? Watching a murder and not doing a dang thing to stop it or report it after the fact? From what I’ve heard, they have him dead to rights on the other two murders, so this outcome might end up being irrelevant. Now or later, he will be convicted.

  16. His wife derailed the entire trial when she lied about “forgetting” where she disposed of the box that everyone knows contained the murder weapon. But if they ever find it, game over for him and his shrew wife.

  17. “Why can’t they reach a decision”

    No murder weapon, no eye witness.

    “They gotta be just deciding which murder charge to give him.

    1st v. 2nd degree”

    They only charged him with 1st, don’t believe they can consider 2nd or manslaughter in MA. They either find him guilty of 1st or they don’t get him.

    I think there will be a hung jury and the state will re-try him.

  18. “The American System of Justice is flawed and broken, but too many people getting rich from it to fix it. Look around the world, it is not even top 15.”

    Too many people worried about fixing sports like the NCAA. You’ll hear talk of getting men’s basketball caught up with the times before you’ll hear about getting the justice system caught up.

  19. Once again, we are going to see trash walk.

    What an incredible justice system we have. If you have the money and fame, there is no need for you to conform to the laws.

  20. Lunch is catered and the petit-fours they serve are, dare I say it?, to die for…

  21. Its a travesty that the judge wouldn’t allow prior offenses… They should know that Hernandez shot his ‘friend’ in the face and is implicated in another double murder……. Since the jury has no clue about these incidents and many others, Hernandez may actually get off scot-free……..pitiful!!

  22. They only charged him with 1st, don’t believe they can consider 2nd or manslaughter in MA. They either find him guilty of 1st or they don’t get him.

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    From experience, as a juror on a murder trial in MA I can tell you this is not true. The charge is murder 1 but he can be found guilty of a lesser murder charge.

  23. It’s very possible that Hernandez’s crew has gotten to a juror or two.

    Because even Stevie Wonder could see that Hernandez either killed or had this guy killed.

    This long deliberation is a sign that there is definite conflict amongst the jurors over this. And that’s a shame. Hernandez is a maniac and he needs to be off the streets. If he’s somehow released, he is going to kill someone else. Because he’s a “want to be” gangster.

    And can the jury live with that on their conscience?

  24. Why can’t they reach a decision, does Hernandez have friends and relatives on the jury?

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    Because apparently the prosecution has not proven its case beyond a reasonable doubt.

    And the longer it takes, the more that is supported and the possibility that its a hung jury.

    You and I didn’t hear all the evidence or sit in the courtroom. We only know what has been printed and what’s on TV.

    Apparently there is one or more juror’s with significant doubt.

  25. wow… letting people who chosen to commit a slow suicide and have absolutely no regard for their own lives decide the life of another? Only in AMerica.

  26. After being followed home by a news van I bet there’s one juror that’s scared silly.

  27. To be judged by a jury of one’s peers was an enumerated right in Magna Charta (1215), though its origins are earlier. However, “peers” then referred to members of the community, who knew the accused and were best suited to assess the veracity of his claims.

    Having 12 fellow citizens — all strangers — has its advantages and disadvantages, of course. But if I had to guess, the jury assembled for the accused in the Boston Massacre case probably had a better grasp of the relevant law than the nitwits on this jury.

  28. OJ jury all over again. Can’t fix stupid. My bet is on stupid everytime! His own lawyer stated at closing he was there. Cannot make this up!!

  29. All the thumbs down last week when anyone suggested hung jury and now it looks more and more like that will be the result. How in the world this jury can’t reach a guilty verdict after the defense admits to his presence at the scene is ridiculous. Unless of course there is a star struck fan on the jury.

  30. corvetteman6 says:
    Apr 14, 2015 9:33 AM

    Once again, we are going to see trash walk.

    What an incredible justice system we have. If you have the money and fame, there is no need for you to conform to the laws.
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    We do have a good justice system. It is predicated upon the idea that it is better for some guilty people to go free than to convict an innocent person.

    In order to convict Hernandez of First Degree Murder, 12 people have to agree that he’s guilty beyond any reasonable doubt.

    Have you ever tried to get 12 people to agree on anything? Try to get 12 people to agree where to have lunch.

    In the Hernandez case, some important evidence was not allowed. All of the evidence is circumstantial. The jurors do not know that Hernandez is a suspect in another murder case.

  31. jtbsteeler says:
    Apr 14, 2015 9:21 AM

    Do you love New England and how they play by the rules in every walk of life, to include complying with the rules in the NFL and the judicial system.
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    Sorta like a certain QB from a certain Pittsburgh team jobbed the legal system? Sorta like that certain Pittsburgh football team has cheated, cheats and will cheat again?

  32. People on here asking why the jury can’t reach a decision…I posted on this subject last week and got ripped for it. The case isn’t all that strong. Sure we all know what most likely happened. But the fact is there is NO murder weapon and NO witness of the murder…except Hernandez saying he in fact witnessed it someone else do it.

    The state is seeking first degree murder without any witnesses and without any murder weapon. It doesn’t matter what people think they know, its a matter of the evidence at hand. The jury isn’t allowed to listen to outside information or the media. They are required to look at the facts at hand. Convicting a man to life behind bars without a murder weapon or witness doesn’t happen very often. The state should have been smart and sought a lessor charge and locked this guy up when they had the chance. Maybe they get him, but maybe they don’t. Then what? The guy gets convicted on a felony gun charge maybe? Does a few years and is released. This has Casey Anthony part 2 wrote all over it.

  33. There’s a Homer Simpson on the jury. There’s always one person who wants to milk the system getting more free food, drinks, and an extended stay in a hotel. Everyone is in agreement except one stubborn and easily swayed person…. “But but but, the glove didn’t fit, so I must acquit!”

  34. I think the defense took the prosecution by surprise with the admission that AH wittness the murder. The defense whole case was predicated on his guilt based upon the fact that he was applying that he wasn’t there. Once the admission came that he was there at that point all hell broke loose because now you had to prove what happened. And, the problem is there was no evidence to say that he went there to kill Oden or that he actually did it. I think he walks. And, sense the reasoning behind killing Oden was to silence him about the other murders, if he gets off now I’m thinking he could beat the other charges as well

  35. Why get excited, regardless of the verdict in this case he’s not going anywhere?
    In the upcoming double murder trial, they’ve multiple eye witnesses, the murder weapon, video footage, and other evidence against him. When he gets convicted for those murders they’ll have the ability to re-trie him for the Lloyd murder if there’s a hung jury or mistrial.
    On the 2nd trial, all the evidence from the double murder trial and likely things that were excluded from would all be admissible as evidence.
    He’s done, and it’s all just a matter of time and money, as AH will be broke before all these trials and civil suits are done.

  36. Jurors have made their preliminary ruling and are awaiting word from Dean Blandino as to his final decision.

  37. Our judicial system needs some revamping. Why is it that one or two hold out jurors have more power than lets say ten jurors that vote to convict. Who came up with this ridiculous unanimous vote. Majority should win out. We have a flawed system that favors the defendants and the guilty.

  38. The Patriots recorded defensive signals. Brady instructed the guy to deflate footballs.

    I don’t respect you or team.

  39. The Boston papers talked to attorneys about this case. None were surprised by the time it’s taking to deliberate. There is a lot of evidence and a lot of details to sort through. Some expect the jury to be out for two or three weeks, but almost all of them expect a guilty verdict.

    They’re all saying guilty or hung jury. None are saying acquittal. I suppose that means he’ll probably get acquitted, right?

  40. granadafan says:
    Apr 14, 2015 12:08 PM

    There’s a Homer Simpson on the jury. There’s always one person who wants to milk the system getting more free food, drinks, and an extended stay in a hotel.
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    The jurors weren’t sequestered. When they went home early last Friday, they were reminded to avoid all media/press coverage of the trial and not to discuss it. Also, $40 a day for jury duty is $5 an hour – I think Taco Bell pays more than that!

    When you actually sit in that jury box and are face-to-face with a defendant, you realize the gravity of this job. Voting yes first degree murder conviction warrants going through all the evidence, just to be sure.

    This jury decision is one of the biggest and most important things these people will do (in their life). They’re taking it seriously, as they should.

  41. One last thing … Hernandez has another murder trial (for a double murder) that will start sometime after this is over. He’s got a busy calendar this year!

    Between multiple homicide charges and weapons charges, it’s not a question of if he’s going to jail, it’s a question of how long he’ll be in.

  42. Jury has decided…

    Ten years for defense lawyers

    Twenty years for the prosecution

    Five years for the presiding judge

    Fifty years for the news van driver

    Acquittal of Aaron Hernandez and immediate release from jail, with an apology

  43. When he gets convicted for those murders they’ll have the ability to re-trie him for the Lloyd murder if there’s a hung jury or mistrial.

    Nothing that happens in either trial has any bearing on the other. Who told you that nonsense?

  44. I hope he’s acquitted and can return to football.
    He was a great TE and has an opportunity to redeem himself.

  45. This prosecution team is making the same mistake the guys in the O.J. case made: Presenting too much evidence. 131 witnesses and 400 pieces of evidence – PUHLEASE. It’s just bad form, and the case becomes as weak as the weakest evidence.

    They got their butts handed to them when the fiance said she was ditching marijuana. They didn’t even need to try to prove she disposed of the gun, the fact that it was there on videotape and gone when they searched for it proved the murder weapon was in his hands.

    The state could’ve wrapped it up in 2 days. Dumping all that evidence makes them look like they are trying to prove something, and it makes the jurors sift through it all until they find something wrong. It’s the reason they’re taking so long and the reason Hernandez can escape this charge.

  46. It’s certainly not beyond the possibility that someone has “contacted” the jury. And if that has happened, it’s even more possible that the TV station that was tailing jurors contributed to such a result – but then on’t expect that station to accept any responsibility for their actions.

  47. There’s a Homer Simpson on the jury. There’s always one person who wants to milk the system getting more free food, drinks, and an extended stay in a hotel. Everyone is in agreement except one stubborn and easily swayed person…. “But but but, the glove didn’t fit, so I must acquit!”
    ====
    They’re not sequestered, and OJ was acquitted. That means that the Jury in that case was unanimous in agreement that he didn’t do it. That’s a much stronger statement than you’re suggesting it was.

  48. I think the biggest problem in this case is having different trials for each defendant. All AH’s lawyers had to do was say that AH didn’t know the guy was going to get killed and that AH didn’t pull the trigger. With no gun or evidence to prove AH did pull the trigger that can be seen as Reasonable doubt for AH to get off….. I have thought since the defense rested AH was going to get off on this trial…. I think the local DA there did a very bad job in this case and because of the lack of evidence probably should have shifted the first case to the double murder which it appears there is better evidence… If they fail to gain aconviction, then this DA who probably wants to run for something wasted tax payer money on weak case to build his own rep..

  49. Not sure why people are surprised. It is kinda hard to convict with no motive, weapon or eye witness….

  50. What the jury is struggling with is the choice between first and second degree murder. The defense knows that the prosecution eliminated all reasonable doubt that Hernandez was there and participated in the murder. The defense strategy of admitting that Hernandez was at the scene is to emphasize reasonable doubt on whether Hernandez pulled the trigger. Knowing that Hernandez will be convicted, the defense is going for 15 to life instead of life without parole. My bet is the jury will decide the gun can not be placed in Hernandez hand without a doubt, and they will come back with second degree murder.

  51. You know your team is in the cheaters’ cellar when Steeler fans, the roid ragers, look down on you.

    Wow.

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