Seahawks, Wilson talking but making no progress

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Not long ago, in response to a report that the Seahawks and Russell Wilson were “very close” to a new deal, PFT explained that talks hadn’t even begun.

Per multiple sources with knowledge of the situation, the two sides have since started talking.  However, they’re not making much, if any, progress.

There’s no immediate deadline; Wilson is under contract for 2015.  But he has been paid pennies in relation to his value for the first three years of his career, and there’s a widespread sense that he deserves a new contract.

The question becomes how much will be enough?  At a deeper level, the question also becomes whether Wilson is willing to undermine his team-player, nice-guy image by driving a hard bargain aimed at gobbling up cap space that could otherwise be used to keep a great roster around him?  Already believed to be resented by some in the locker room, that dynamic would get even worse if Wilson’s pay were bumped from less than $1 million per year to more than $20 million annually.

It’s an interesting story to watch, and it’ll be particularly interesting to see if the Seahawks protect themselves by looking for another mid-round wunderkind who could become the next Russell Wilson, if the current Russell Wilson eventually decides to become someone else’s quarterback.

129 responses to “Seahawks, Wilson talking but making no progress

  1. Chill out. The Seahawks don’t do these deals until late april/early may.

    Proof? Sherman, Thomas, Chancellor – all signed their big deals after April 24th

  2. More often than not its the agents who pump these guys up to think they are worth more than they are. Won’t be the ‘highest paid QB’ as many pundits are predicting.

    In the end he will get a contract in the second tier of QB’s. This is a team that lives and dies first with defense and beast mode and second with Wilson’s great presence and ability to gain yards with his legs.

  3. Does Wilson deserved to be one of the top paid QB’s in the league? Sure he does but with that being said him stating he might try and also pursue a baseball career might hurt him in negotiations IMO. The Hawks can turn around and basically say” A franchise QB needs to concentrate 100% on the team and nothing else”

  4. If he completes that pass on the worst play call in NFL history, this is a completely different negotiation.

    (I actually didn’t take issue with Pete Carroll telling his OC to call a pass play. But the OC then calling for a pass to be thrown INTO traffic on the most important play of their season? Unforgivable.)

  5. It’s a simple fact that QBs that have won SBs are paid in the 20 mil range (unless your Brady because you want to keep winning. Oh, and also, you have a wife that makes like 5 times as much as you do). Players all know that, so if there’s any “dynamic”, something much deeper and more wrong is going on in that locker room that needs to be addressed before it explodes into national NFL media.

  6. Please. Russell Wilson is the most unique talent of his generation. He’s already proven he’s a champion in only his 2nd year. He can make $20-25 million a year and not break the Seahawks cap. In case you missed it they already have $44 million in space even with all the guys they’ve signed in the last 2 seasons. Only Wilson, Wagner and Okung to sign out of their core players.

  7. Seahawks will keep Wilson no matter what the cost. It’s just too hard to find a franchise quarterback, and teams can go decades without making the playoffs when they don’t have one.

  8. Pete didn’t call a pass play. Bevell did and that’s the one he picked. Pete should have vetoed the play but he trusted his OC and got burned for it.

  9. Based on historical results of the Super Bowl loser’s success the subsequent year, the Seahawks have about a 4% chance of winning the next Super Bowl. If they don’t keep Wilson the burgeoning dynasty will be gone before it starts.

  10. “Pay the Man. 2 Super Bowl appearances.”
    ———————-

    ….due to his defense.

  11. Seattle’s biggest advantage, a skilled QB on a rookie contract, is coming to an end and so will Seattle’s deep playoff runs. The $20 mill used to build a complete roster now goes to one guy…….and so goes their depth and surplus talent. A way of life in today’s NFL.

  12. glac1 says:
    He better sign now… without the beast he’s slightly above average….
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    #2 All Time in Reg. Season QB rating.
    #5 All Time in post season QB rating.
    2 Super Bowl appearances in 1st 3 seasons.
    1 Super Bowl Championship.
    One of only 3 players to throw for 50 TD passes his first 2 seasons. The other 2 were Peyton Manning and Dan Marino.
    84 TD passes his first 3 seasons. More than Tom Brady.

    You must have a different definition of “slightly above average” than most people.

  13. Schneider is a great GM and is smart enough to know Wilson is little more than a good game manager.

    If you pay a game manager more than he’s worth, good luck having the cap space to get back to another Super Bowl.

  14. Yes of course. If they don’t want to pay this guy, all they need to do is draft another mid-round-graded guy to lead them to the Super Bowl instead.

    Because guys like that grow on trees after all.

  15. “Pete didn’t call a pass play. Bevell did and that’s the one he picked.”
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    And yet Wilson still threw it. Has anyone in NFL history gotten such a pass for throwing the game-losing interception in the Super Bowl?

    Seriously, all the blame here is getting being put on the coaches, but not the player who actually threw the interception.

  16. revelation123 says:
    “Pay the Man. 2 Super Bowl appearances.”
    ———————-

    ….due to his defense.
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    84 TD Passes his 1st 3 seasons, more than Tom Brady. How many of those TD passes did the defense throw?

  17. He is one of the engines that makes that team go. I think his calming influence is as valuable to them as anything. Pay the man (but I wouldnt mind him sitting out two games a year against my team.)

  18. He hasn’t ruled out playing baseball too…..that’s a team player right there.

    When everyone else commits 100% of their time and lives to the Seahawks and this guy wants to play dual sports.

    …AND they just got Jimmy Graham. I’m ok with him playing baseball too.

    A Niners fan

  19. revelation123 says:

    And yet Wilson still threw it. Has anyone in NFL history gotten such a pass for throwing the game-losing interception in the Super Bowl?

    Seriously, all the blame here is getting being put on the coaches, but not the player who actually threw the interception.
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    Yeah. Peyton Manning.

    It was a 3-step drop, set and throw to a spot. He executed the play perfectly. When he released the ball, Lockette hadn’t been knocked off the route yet. He executed the play exactly as he was supposed to. The gunner on our special teams did not.

    Which makes you wonder why he was the target on such a crucial play in the first place.

  20. redrew says:

    Seattle’s biggest advantage, a skilled QB on a rookie contract, is coming to an end and so will Seattle’s deep playoff runs. The $20 mill used to build a complete roster now goes to one guy…….and so goes their depth and surplus talent. A way of life in today’s NFL.
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    You are clueless. The Seahawks have $44 million in cap space for 2016. They have plenty of cap space and will continue to for years to come.

  21. Watch all the Dree Brees haters that constantly criticize his contract, do a complete about face when Wilson gets his 😉

  22. When everyone else commits 100% of their time and lives to the Seahawks and this guy wants to play dual sports.

    ___________________

    Yeah it’s almost like that voluntary passing camp he’s throwing in Hawaii with all his teammates, including Jimmy Graham, isn’t happening at this very moment.

    How’s the 49er offseason treating you by the way?

  23. I hope you are using creative license by saying some in the locker room aren’t happy with Wilson. Would it be fair to say that the only people frustrated with him are the opponents in the other teams locker room who have the responsibility of defending him? He wants to be one of the greatest of all time and the greatest players put there team before themselves. As a longtime Seattle resident I have never seen such consolidated and effective leadership from any pro sports team here. It would be great if they continue to be so unique.

  24. RW is a smart guy. He is a leader on the field. He has done some great things for his team. He is not afraid to run, and not afraid to redcover a fumbl and not afraid to block. There may be some resentment in he locker room towards him but guys who resent him are the type of guys who are going to resent somebody, anybody, anyway.
    His contract is something that the front office and he want to make sure is a good one. Wilso does not want a Kaepernick contract. And the front office does not want a Drew Bress break the bank contract either.
    That is why progress will be slow. Each side will need to assess what it wants against what it needs.

    RW needs that team, and especially that defense, around him. The fact is there IS a chemistry on the Hawks. But there is also the fact that you only need to put up 17-20 points a game to win most games because of that defense. He knows that. How many other teams have a Lynch in the backfield? A guy who can gain 100 yards while playing with a stomach ache or a sore back.

    I like RW and I am a Hawks fan from way back. He has been great for this team. But this is a destiny thing more than a talent driven thing. He has talent don’t get me wrong. He is a smart young QB who usually does not make bonehead plays, but he is human.

    The thing he brings is a will and determination to win. Down by 12 in the closing minutes of the Green Bay game many QB’s would have given up. Especially after having had such a bad game. But he hung in there and he played well enough to win and he beat Aaron Rodgers to boot.

    In the SuperBowl that last offensive call was a disaster in its execution. Going to Lockette?
    But that’s what happens. the same Pats at 18-0 blew it to a Giants team that many thought should not even be on the same field as them.

    Pay the kid for what he does best. Leads.

  25. As a Seahawks fan I love Wilson….. But, any third round guy with a decent arm can do what he has done with that D that was built on the other side. I would say Wilson should get about 13 to 15 per year and that would be extremely fair for how he has done as QB… Anything more and I would let him test FA but draft another QB this year. I have watched every game with Wilson in it and seen multiple missed chances with guys wide open. Again I am not hating and I hope they guy stick around but there has to be some reality there too… Seattle wants championships not just another overpaid QB.

  26. Soulless shell of a human being. An athletic android fully loaded with predictable sports cliches and predictable references to being positive all…the…time. Easily the most boring NFL quarterback playing today.

  27. schmitty2 says:
    Apr 14, 2015 11:27 AM
    Does Wilson deserved to be one of the top paid QB’s in the league? Sure he does but with that being said him stating he might try and also pursue a baseball career might hurt him in negotiations IMO. The Hawks can turn around and basically say” A franchise QB needs to concentrate 100% on the team and nothing else”
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    In my humble opinion, the baseball thing is a negotiating ploy. Wilson is a smart guy and knows his baseball career is going nowhere, but he continues to say he’s playing baseball so the team will give him more money to stop baseball. The Rangers are using him as a publicity stunt for more press time. Win win except for the Seahawks. That’s good for the rest of the division because the Seahawks will have to overpay for a statistically average QB.

  28. tap79 says:
    Apr 14, 2015 12:11 PM
    As a Seahawks fan I love Wilson….. But, any third round guy with a decent arm can do what he has done with that D that was built on the other side. I would say Wilson should get about 13 to 15 per year and that would be extremely fair for how he has done as QB… Anything more and I would let him test FA but draft another QB this year. I have watched every game with Wilson in it and seen multiple missed chances with guys wide open. Again I am not hating and I hope they guy stick around but there has to be some reality there too… Seattle wants championships not just another overpaid QB.

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    If he tests the FA waters, another team will easily overpay for him and Seattle will be left with an unproven rookie or less successful veteran QB. Careful what you wish for. I agree that QB contracts are getting out of hand, but at the same time, top tier QBs are always scarce, so 2nd tier guys are getting locked up because most teams don’t have much of a choice.

  29. People love to hate on RW for some reason. Yes, the Seahawks have a dominant defense and are a run-first team. Wilson takes great care of the ball and makes great decisions. Here’s a comparison of QB ratings for Wilson and five elite QBs in the NFL during their first 3 full years:

    Russell Wilson:
    2012 100.0
    2013 101.2
    2014 95.0

    Aaron Rodgers:
    2008 93.8
    2009 103.2
    2010 101.2

    Tom Brady:
    2001 86.5
    2002 85.7
    2003 85.9

    Peyton Manning:
    1998 71.2
    1999 90.7
    2000 94.7

    Drew Brees:
    2001 76.9
    2002 67.5
    2004 104.8

    Andrew Luck:
    2012 76.5
    2013 87.0
    2014 96.5

  30. … and the SeaHawks probably are more than a bit hesitant to throw $20-$25 million annually at a guy who (when Lynch leaves for his destiny in outer space) will be left with an average Q-back who’s exposed as massively overpaid. Watch for it. It’s coming.

  31. The guy threw a pick that lost the superbowl. Bring back Matt Flynn. He never should have have been benched for wilson in the first place.

  32. h2beer says:
    Apr 14, 2015 11:38 AM

    Wilson for Tampa’s 1st and 3rd, Glennon, and Vincent Jackson?
    ___________________________________

    Sounds good to me….. We’ll trade Glennon of an additional 6th rounder, take Mariota and pay him dirt cheap for 4 more years and continue to win championships. The team is built the problem is keeping it together if Wilson gets overpaid. If he doesnt get overpaid or they get lucky to get a stupid deal that would land a good QB and they could continue their system for the dirt I am all for it.

  33. Draft Hundley in the second or 3rd round. Let Wilson play this year out on his current deal this season. Tag him next year. If he doesn’t want to agree to a reasonable contract then trade him for value. Continue the formula of winning by the running game and excellent defense. Paying Wilson big money will ruin that teams formula as he isn’t worth it.

  34. seahawkboymike says:
    Apr 14, 2015 11:48 AM
    revelation123 says:
    “Pay the Man. 2 Super Bowl appearances.”
    ———————-

    ….due to his defense.
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    84 TD Passes his 1st 3 seasons, more than Tom Brady. How many of those TD passes did the defense throw?

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    Just how many passes did he complete in the SB against the Pats?

    How many did he complete in the 1st half?

  35. People love to hate on RW for some reason. Yes, the Seahawks have a dominant defense and are a run-first team. Wilson takes great care of the ball and makes great decisions. Here’s a comparison of QB ratings for Wilson and five elite QBs in the NFL during their first 3 full years:

    Russell Wilson:
    2012 100.0
    2013 101.2
    2014 95.0
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    LOL! Just reaffirming the argument that his defense and run game carry him. He does “less” QB’ing during a game so his stats show better. He has some legendary stinkers too.

  36. He’s getting 100 mill contract. Goes with all Super Bowl winning Qbs. Sorry Seahawks fans but your cap just got a lot tighter thanks to Jimmys and Russells contracts. Looks like Wagner is a goner.

  37. Sure Seattle has 44 million in cap room next year. That doesn’t mean they’re keeping their team together. The Seahawks have 31 UFA next year including Wilson Okung and Wagner. 21 million for Wilson. 4-8 for Okung. 6-9 for Wagner. That’s 31-38. Plus 5 million for the draft. 36-43 million. So the Seahawks have between 1-8 million to lock up 28 players who will need vet minimum deals averaging out to ~ 20 million. So you can expect between (-19) – (-12) million in cap room. But don’t worry you’ll keep that team together, as long as every star takes the vet minimum you’re good.

  38. tonyzendejas says:
    Apr 14, 2015 12:14 PM

    Soulless shell of a human being. An athletic android fully loaded with predictable sports cliches and predictable references to being positive all…the…time. Easily the most boring NFL quarterback playing today.

    ———-

    3 years of great success going deep in the playoffs and delivering a Super Bowl. If that is boring then give me lots of boring.

  39. revelation123 says:
    Apr 14, 2015 11:39 AM

    Schneider is a great GM and is smart enough to know Wilson is little more than a good game manager.

    If you pay a game manager more than he’s worth, good luck having the cap space to get back to another Super Bowl.

    ————-

    What ever you are defining a game manager as, that is certainly not what Wilson is. He throws the deep ball, runs for first downs, won a Super Bowl and got to another one in his first 3 years in the league. He’s far from a game manager.

    Also… you can pay prototypical franchise QBs like Peyton Manning and Dan Marino lots of money and they still struggle to get to the big game.

    Nothing wrong with paying Wilson as long as he is committed to football.

  40. “Already believed to be resented by some in the locker room”

    love this kind of unattributed, completely vague line, fully intended to try and sow some seeds of discontent during a slow NFL news cycle. can’t imagine why guys like Wilson give rote answers and guys like Lynch don’t much like to talk to the media at all.

  41. freefall0303 says:
    Apr 14, 2015 12:31 PM

    … and the SeaHawks probably are more than a bit hesitant to throw $20-$25 million annually at a guy who (when Lynch leaves for his destiny in outer space) will be left with an average Q-back who’s exposed as massively overpaid. Watch for it. It’s coming.

    ————–

    Have you watched Wilson play? If anything he is underrated. Look what he’s done. Beastmode has been in the league a long time and did nothing before he had a decent QB.

  42. “I don’t understand who in that locker room could possibly hate this guy, Dude is the real deal.”

    Just trying to generate clicks. I imagine a football team is like any other workplace. You don’t (usually) like ALL your co-workers, but you show up and work together to do your job…doesn’t mean they need to be best friends and all go out for beers after practice.

  43. Wilson will get top tier money whether he “deserves” it or not. Cutler, Ryan, Romo all make tons of money despite pedestrian numbers. The catch is that Seattle won’t be able to keep its monster defense in tact after the massive payout Wilson will inevitably command.

  44. As a Seahawks fan I love Wilson….. But, any third round guy with a decent arm can do what he has done with that D that was built on the other side. I would say Wilson should get about 13 to 15 per year and that would be extremely fair for how he has done as QB… Anything more and I would let him test FA but draft another QB this year. I have watched every game with Wilson in it and seen multiple missed chances with guys wide open. Again I am not hating and I hope they guy stick around but there has to be some reality there too… Seattle wants championships not just another overpaid QB.

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    Any third round QB with a decent arm could do it?

    No.

    Actually only Brady and Roethlisberger at his age could really rival what he has done so far in his career.

    If any third round QB could do it then the Ravens would have about 10 Super Bowl wins.

  45. “He has some legendary stinkers too.”

    Exaggerate much?

    His only “legendary stinker” is the Green Bay game last year.

    Has he had games where he didn’t play well, obviously, like any other QB in the league. “legendary stinkers” though…LOL…give dates and stat lines…

  46. This may become a issue. The way the Seahawks win I could see them saying that he’s only a game manager. The could be low balling him

  47. Wilson is no more than an average QB, playing with a great team around him. Put almost any starting NFL QB on the field with that team supporting him and you’d get very similar results….or better.

  48. seahawkboymike says:
    Apr 14, 2015 11:32 AM

    Please. Russell Wilson is the most unique talent of his generation. He’s already proven he’s a champion in only his 2nd year. He can make $20-25 million a year and not break the Seahawks cap. In case you missed it they already have $44 million in space even with all the guys they’ve signed in the last 2 seasons. Only Wilson, Wagner and Okung to sign out of their core players.
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    Really?

    – NFLPS says $11,446,990 in cap space.
    – OverTheCap says $11,009,278
    – SportTrac says $11,763,694

    Those are a far cry for $44mil.

  49. tennesseeoilers says:
    Apr 14, 2015 11:27 AM

    If he completes that pass on the worst play call in NFL history, this is a completely different negotiation.

    (I actually didn’t take issue with Pete Carroll telling his OC to call a pass play. But the OC then calling for a pass to be thrown INTO traffic on the most important play of their season? Unforgivable.)

    ————

    The call was bad. The execution was not so bad. Just a great play by Butler and Browner.

    Wilson wasn’t really to blame on that one or at least was not the most to blame. HC, Assistant, receiver, other receiver that was supposed to block the lane then Wilson.

  50. Called a free market. Why should he take less than what he is worth in said free market. Would his jealous teammates do the same? Nope. And hey, if he doesn’t get what he wants from Seattle, there are about 25 other locker rooms who will be in line with open arms.

  51. thegreenandcold says:

    Sure Seattle has 44 million in cap room next year. That doesn’t mean they’re keeping their team together. The Seahawks have 31 UFA next year including Wilson Okung and Wagner. 21 million for Wilson. 4-8 for Okung. 6-9 for Wagner. That’s 31-38. Plus 5 million for the draft. 36-43 million. So the Seahawks have between 1-8 million to lock up 28 players who will need vet minimum deals averaging out to ~ 20 million. So you can expect between (-19) – (-12) million in cap room. But don’t worry you’ll keep that team together, as long as every star takes the vet minimum you’re good.
    ———————————————————-
    You’re right! By your accounting, except for Wilson, Wagner, Beast, Baldwin, Okung, Jimmy Graham, Britt, Bennett, Avril, Irvin, Wright, Thomas, Sherman, Chancellor, Lane and Cary Williams, the Seahawks don’t have a single key player locked up for next year!

  52. I don’t understand the vitriol directed at Russell Wilson. I take it nobody will have a problem if he leaves the Seahawks when his contract runs out because if he is simply a “Game manager” then I am sure he will be so easy to replace!

    As for people who already have a problem in the locker room, maybe they can look to play elsewhere. He has WAY overplayed the pathetic amount of money in NFL terms he has been paid to date who can blame him if he gets every dollar he can, like 99% of us would especially as its his first big NFL pay day.

    He is a successful player and has proven his worth over his contract, pay the man or take the consequences, they may have a great defense but without a decent QB that team will go nowhere.

    PS How did that “stellar” defense people talk about perform in the Super Bowl?

  53. Wilson is the A.J. McCarron of the NFL. Any bum could’ve led that Alabama team to titles with the defense and running game they had a few years ago. Look how great McCarron is doing nowadays without his all star cast surrounding him. Exact same scenario with Wilson. If Wilson was drafted by the Jets or Jaguars, he would be riding the bench in some outpost Canadian town in the CFL these days.

  54. If he had audibled out of the idiotic play his coach called, he would be a two time champion. Pay him.

  55. Why do people claim RW is just an average QB? Our online is built to run the ball, we have decent WRs but we need that one dude to open it up and you wonder why he scrambles a lot. Plus we really haven’t opened the playbook for RW yet. The addition of Graham and new comer Chris Mathews is going to open it up just wait and see . GO HAWKS!

  56. #2 All Time in Reg. Season QB rating.
    #5 All Time in post season QB rating.
    2 Super Bowl appearances in 1st 3 seasons.
    1 Super Bowl Championship.
    One of only 3 players to throw for 50 TD passes his first 2 seasons. The other 2 were Peyton Manning and Dan Marino.
    84 TD passes his first 3 seasons. More than Tom Brady.

    You must have a different definition of “slightly above average” than most people.
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    Wilson clearly benefits from the defense and running the ball effectively. Without Marshawn Lynch, this guys effectiveness is going to drop. His running ability does help his passing numbers due to keeping the defense having to fill gaps, but he still is an overall average passer. The kid is a gamer and does play clutch, but he isn’t the second coming of Brady overall. You used a Brady stat which is laughable after the first 3 years, considering Brady attempted 1 pass in his first year and didn’t even play a full season in his second year. So you reached a bit there, kinda funny you didn’t use Peyton or Aaron Rodgers, etc. Keep it calm my dude, the guy is good but not that good. Defense won the championship, we all know it.

  57. A lot of cherry picking of stats for wilson.

    The fact of the matter is this guy does not throw the ball that well. His legs, Lynch’s legs and the D take pressure off him to actually control games himself. The team is what gives him his great QB rating.

    How many games has this guy won throwing his way down the field for a TD? He hands it off, runs on his own, or throws the deep ball prayer.

    I can’t even say I’ve ever seen him surgically dismantle a defense with his arm like a top 5 QB should.

    Seattle is actually in a tough spot as he is good, but not great, but still needs to be paid.

  58. Lotta people saying he’s “overrated, A system guy”.
    I think you people are nuts!! To me he’s like the Derek Jeter of the NFL in 2015…. Makes plays, always says the right thing, squeaky clean image, exactly what you want as the face of your franchise.

    Did everybody criticize Terry Bradshaw for being a “system guy with the team whose defense and running game did all the work”???

  59. I hope all these Seattle fans get exactly what they want; that Wilson gets paid like an elite QB. For the simple fact that he isn’t one.

    Lynch and the D are what make that team run. Wilson is just a good game manager; nothing more. If he gets paid like he’s elite, say goodbye to all those deep playoff runs because Wilson simply can’t put a team on his back like Brady, Manning, or Rodgers can.

  60. I disagree with the premise that those in the locker room might resent him more if he had a deal commiserate with other starting QBs. It cannot be a business for them and loyalty for Wilson. If they have a problem with that they have a problem with themselves.

  61. The $11 million is the cap space for 2015.
    The current cap space for 2016 is ~$43 million.

    Regardless, averaging salary is a bs argument. What will most likely happen is RW will get a nice signing bonus this year to go along with his $1.5 million base, which means he’ll get a huge lump sum (all of the bonus money) with a low cap hit (bonus divided by length of contract). As for the rest of the bs they’d like you to believe, I suspect they’re bordering on a libel suit.

    Likewise, the next year or two will be less than the average in base in order to buy time until the Salary Cap goes up. So it will likely “average” ~$22.5 million/year, but it won’t cost that much for the first couple of years. Granted, it takes more than the average armchair GM to figure that out, but most other people already know this much.

  62. revelation123 says:
    Apr 14, 2015 1:44 PM
    I hope all these Seattle fans get exactly what they want; that Wilson gets paid like an elite QB. For the simple fact that he isn’t one.

    Lynch and the D are what make that team run. Wilson is just a good game manager; nothing more. If he gets paid like he’s elite, say goodbye to all those deep playoff runs because Wilson simply can’t put a team on his back like Brady, Manning, or Rodgers can.

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    Manning? Wilson would have to make the playoffs for the next 10 years and have a 1-and-done each year to break Manning’s current record…. I for one would take Wilson over Manning any day of the week.

  63. $1 million, $20 million, $50 million… whatever. Cam Newton is refusing to negotiate until Wilson gets his deal. Get it done already so I can know what my QB will cost.

  64. Sounds like he wants a lot of money to lose to the Patriots again next year…

  65. This year is key for Seattle because they are about to get a salary cap anchor like every successful team. The problem as I see it, is he has an agent that is telling Seattle he is the best when Seattle understands as any person does, that Wilson is in big trouble without Lynch and a defense that lets him start at midfield and shuts down opponents. Wilson is good, but paying a running QB huge money is just plain stupid. I’d love to see Seattle play hardball and see how Wilson’s ploy works out batting .250 playing baseball.

  66. baddegg says:
    Apr 14, 2015 2:31 PM
    He has performed and deserves to be paid.

    Period.

    And I’m not even a Seahawk fan…

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    You don’t pay a player for what he has already done…..you pay him for what you expect he will do in the future.

    That said, I think Wilson is a smart QB. He makes good decisions. Moreover he gets a lot of 1st downs with his legs. This presents a challenge to opposing defenses.

  67. Based on all the negative comments on Wilson it appears that many Seahawks fans don’t like him that much. The message seems to be that they could win with a new QB as long as they have beastmode and the defense is intact.

    Thumbs up if you are a Seahawks fan and you think that’s true.

  68. How many 3oo yard passing games does he have in his career? Those other qb’s put them up weekly. He is a game manager and has never been asked to win a game for his team. Not even the focal point of his team’s offense.

  69. fyi, that Jimmy Graham contract will really come back to bite this team. He has already peaked as a player and doesnt fit their locker room.

  70. “Manning?”
    ———————

    Yep, Peyton Manning. You know, the QB who is a lock for the Hall of Fame due to being one of the greatest QBs of all time.

    Suggesting that Wilson is better than Manning, Brady or Rodgers in their prime is nothing more than wishful thinking.

  71. Hard to believe some of the ignorant wishful thinking fans on these blogs trying to fit squares into circles. RW absolutely benefits from his defense and run game. The issue with that statement is the misinterpretation of facts. The Seahawks philosophy is to play the game close to the vest, ask RW to make plays for 3 qtrs whether that be run or pass or extend plays, Then in the 4th qtr based on each individual game they sort of let him “loose” then the magic that is RW comes to life. He extends plays making most of your teams players look stupid, then either runs for the first down or throws a bomb down field to a WR whose done the scramble drill perfectly in unison with RW.

    The reason seattle fans point to stats is bc , everyone is quick to point out Seattles shortcomings offensively and blame Wilson. NO one realizes he hadn’t had the same starting O-line but 2-3 games last year and in his career has not had an elite WR weapon to date. The Fact that hes started a career off with arguably the best stats to ever be accumulated by a quarterback in the HISTORY OF THE NFL makes it pretty obvious that he IS NOT solely relying on defense.

    Pretending to understand the salary cap is comical, Pete Carroll and John Schneider have yet to release anyone because of salary cap issues. Can they keep and sign every one of their FAs? Hell no, NO ONE CAN but they built this team VIA the draft and finding players other teams didn’t value and trading or signing them to lower deals. The hawks have yet to break the bank of a FA .. They have traded for two larger salaries in Graham, and Percy. Percy is a nut job and the hawks were confident enough to trade him away in the middle of the year and get peanuts because he was a cancer. Most coaches and GMs dont have the balls to admit a mistake in that manner. Sorry fellas , the Seahawks are still super young, loaded with talented players whom you have yet to see, and continue to rack up draft picks and find players with unique skill sets whom they can use against opponents once coached up. Hawks build through the draft with the occasional trade.. Will they lose players like Maxwell? Yes they will but they’ll replace with depth in almost a platoon modle..

    Good Luck with the hate goggles you guys are wearing just hoping for complete collapse.. Seahawks over the last 12 years have been a top 5-7 NFL franchise. Look up wins,, division titles, SB appearances wins, NFCC wins , playoff victories, pro bowlers all pros.. Stop acting like the hawks went from being JAX to PATS in a year..

  72. Russell Wilson is a game manager. Put him on any team in the NFL and he’d manage to win a game called the Super Bowl.

  73. So those stellar “sources” who were completely wrong about a deal being almost done when they hadn’t begun talking, now report there isn’t any progress.

    Maybe you need new “sources”.

  74. put russell wilson in cleveland jacksonville or oakland and hed be out of the league in 3 years. this dude is trying to get paid by riding his defense and run game.

  75. redandgoldhitman52 says:
    Apr 14, 2015 4:39 PM

    this dude is trying to get paid by riding his defense and run game, oh yeah, and beating the Niners like a rented mule.

    Fixed that for you.

  76. Meanwhile, Wilson is leading the Hawks in player only drills in Hawaii.

    Seems like a guy who isn’t really committed to more Seattle Superbowls.

    (And there will be several.)

  77. Everybody always says ‘pay the man’ until 3 years pass and cap space is a nightmare. Then, the silly fans say…’c’mon Wilson, take a pay cut or restructure’. Look no further than the Saints for a prime example. Drew earned every bit of his current contract during his first…then, he got paid as he should have. Now, some fans are calling him greedy…gimme a break. If it were your money, you wouldn’t restructure either.

  78. Russel aint playin in his final year making 1.5 million. He is going to Julius Thomas the Seahawks. No way do you risk future financial security b/c you’re a nice, team-first guy. that’s just dumb. No way do you risk injury without a long term guarantee. That is football 101. He wont do it and his agent wont let him do it. Unless he’s extended at about 16-18 million a year (that will include 2015), expect him to hold out. now the fun part, the Seahawks don’t have nearly the cap room to extend him. They gave that money to Graham and Lynch. There is about 8 million left and they have to keep at least 4 of that to sign draft picks. I’m sure there will be releases after June 1st. Mebane, Okung would account for 10 million. I am so excited to see how this plays out. It’ll be a good learning experience for the noob fanbase too. Good luck.

  79. “He better sign now… without the beast he’s slightly above average….”
    ——-
    So, if RW is so “average” what say ye about his NFL best ever stats for a 3rd year QB???

    And I quote:

    “#2 all time QB rating for regular season.
    #5 all time QB Rating postseason.
    One of only 3 players to throw 50 TD passes his 1st 2 seasons (along with Peyton Manning and Dan Marino).
    84 TD passes his 1st 3 seasons, more than Tom Brady.

    Most wins in 1st 3 seasons, ever.
    Most wins in the last 3 seasons.
    Most playoff wins in the last 3 seasons.

    #2 All time Passer Rating, Regular Season: Russell Wilson, Seattle Seahawks, 98.6.
    #5 All Time Passer Rating, Post Season: Russell Wilson, Seattle Seahawks, 97.8.

    Here’s some more numbers for you:

    Players who threw for at least 50 TD passes in their first 2 years: Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, Russell Wilson.

    84 TD passes in first 3 seasons, more than Tom Brady.

    More wins than any QB in the last 3 seasons.

    More wins in his first 3 seasons than any QB in NFL history.”

  80. higheriq….it’ll take many more superbowls for Pete ‘worst call in superbowl history’ Carroll to shake the legacy that now embodies him.

  81. Over / under on Hawk wins this year, excluding preseason but including the playoffs…

    18

    Take the over.

  82. “That slant pass tho…”
    —–
    Even though it should NOT have been called it wasn’t an off target throw.

    If Lockette, a 3rd tier WR runs a route without lolly-gagging the pass is dead accurate. It’s Lockette’s poor pass route running that makes the pass appear poor. If Lockette sprints instead of jogs as he did the pass is spot on and he’s in position to catch the pass before the defender gets there. Anyone can see that.

    But reality doesn’t serve a haters narrative. BTW, where was your team? At home you say? And you’re here hating on the Seahawks…the same Seahawks who the haters said after winning the SB in February 2014 predicted all over PFT that the Seahawks wouldn’t even make it to the playoffs the following year.

    Enough with haters predictions already.

  83. Wilson, take some friendly advice from an NFL owner, sign that 5 year 9 million dollar offer….you’re not an elite QB.

    #2ndandgoal

  84. Like it or not, thats a pass you throw into or behind the receiver. You do not lead a receiver or the ball will be intercepted. poor execution by the Seahawks. not RW. Stop trying to clear his name, as this is a team sport.

  85. “Trade him!”
    “Game manager.”
    “Not that good.”

    All comments by fans of other teams! They’re all just praying to the football gods that Seattle trades Wilson so that their team can finally beat the Seahawks. Ain’t gonna happen… Either the trade or the beat down. You’re all toast!

  86. thegreenandcold says:

    Sure Seattle has 44 million in cap room next year. That doesn’t mean they’re keeping their team together. The Seahawks have 31 UFA next year including Wilson Okung and Wagner.
    ———————————————————-
    Of those 31 UFA’s there are only 8 that have even a remote chance of being on the roster in 2016. The rest will be long gone and replaced by the 10 draft picks they have this year and the picks they have next year.

    But don’t let facts get in the way of your arguments. I know you need something to give you hope since you’re a Packer fan.

  87. Love the lousy comparisons. Look, just because your team can’t figure out how to work the salary cap – or just can’t find and coach up talent – is no reason to project such failure on the Seahawks.

    John Schneider is a genius at finding talent and signing deals, so much so that our cup overfloweth, which results in Compensatory Picks when other teams (who can’t find good players) end up picking up our players in Free Agency.

    Pete Carroll & Co are genius at getting the best out of their roster, which is why they’ve been contenders every year while other teams have declined.

    You’ll just have to eat your hearts out with your wishful thinking. 🙂

  88. I don’t see any of Aaron Rodgers’ or Drew Brees’ teammates whining about those guys’ contracts; they’ve done enough to have earned it. Arguably, so has Russell Wilson.

    The Seahawks brass must (or should) have known that this was coming; if you want a great QB to stay, you have to pay him like one. Does that eat up cap space and prevent real talent from being added for another SB run? Absolutely. Welcome to the NFL; nothing lasts forever.

  89. thehighhat says:
    Apr 14, 2015 6:34 PM

    Greatest choke job in Super Bowl history and he gets rewarded? Ain’t that America!
    __________________________________

    Put that “choke job” on Pete Carroll, not on Wilson. No one with a brain gives the ball to anyone but Marshawn in that spot.

    Even if you could argue that he doesn’t deserve a raise, that’s not what the FA market is about. It’s supply and demand – he’s a better option than all but about ten other QBs in the NFL.

  90. The Seahawk’s administration must be HIGH !!! What-are-they-gonna-do go back and resign Matt Flynn?? How much did that clown get a few years back and hadn’t earned squat ! RW has already brought them One SB and it should have been Two. You go to the trouble of resigning Marshawn Lynch who in conjunction with RW have created an affective offense/running scheme and NOW that the hard part is over you can’t/won’t pay RW ???? I could care LESS what the rest of the conference trolls say, the Seahawk’s need BOTH guys unless they are going to run an entirely different offense. In that case, go sign one of the 3-step qb’s out there from the trash heap and proceed to get your collective arse’s kicked. What a joke. Like Deion says “Pay The MAN !!!”

  91. RW and the Hawks will work a deal. To think otherwise is insane. The Seahawks fanbase love the guy. He is the face of the franchise, like it or not.

    Wilson definitely benefits from a great defense. What great QB doesn’t? I won’t call him elite in his 3rd year. But he has done something with the Hawks that no other QB in their history could do and they had some good teams backing them back in the mid-80’s and the early to mid 2000’s. This team was 7-9 the year before he started as QB. The 7-9 team had many of the same defensive stars on it. They even had Lynch.

    Wilson is in that zone that a lot of good QB’s fall into. They have a great team surrounding them and they reap the benefits. Why not him? Bradshaw did it. Troy Aikman did it.
    He will get paid his money. The chemistry is right at the moment.

    In 5 years who knows? At one time Dave Krieg was our answer, then Matt Hasselback.
    Now Wilson is by far the most successful QB in team history. We’ll get another great one after Wilson, some day. Just enjoy him now.

  92. revelation123 says:
    Apr 14, 2015 3:46 PM
    “Manning?”
    ———————

    Yep, Peyton Manning. You know, the QB who is a lock for the Hall of Fame due to being one of the greatest QBs of all time.

    Suggesting that Wilson is better than Manning, Brady or Rodgers in their prime is nothing more than wishful thinking.

    ————————–

    Firstly, we are not talking about Manning “in his prime”, we are talking about today. Would you honestly rather have Peyton Manning as your QB today? Especially for $15M he is not a bargain. Then there is the fact that he routinely chokes in the post season. 9 one-and-dones. I’ll take Wilson all day long thank you.

  93. Most 4th Qtr/OT comeback wins since he entered the league. That stat can’t be faked – it shows how often he’s had to win the game win the defense couldn’t get it done.

    #PAYTHEMAN

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