Jurors call Kraft’s testimony compelling evidence against Hernandez

AP

Aaron Hernandez’s claim of innocence to Robert Kraft helped jurors decide to convict Hernandez of first-degree murder today.

After Hernandez, the former Patriots tight end, was found guilty today of murdering Odin Lloyd, jurors told reporters that the testimony of Kraft, the Patriots’ owner, was compelling. Kraft testified under oath that he spoke with Hernandez when reports first surfaced of Lloyd’s death, and that Hernandez had given Kraft an assurance that he was not involved. Hernandez claimed to Kraft that he had been inside a club at the time that Lloyd was killed, which sounds like a good alibi — except that it raised questions in the minds of jurors as to how, exactly, Hernandez could have known what time Lloyd was killed.

“One part, for me, was Aaron’s alleged statement that . . . he was at a club at that time,” one juror said. “We still don’t know the exact time of Odin’s murder, specifically. So I don’t know how Aaron would have had that information two years ago. Even today, after medical examiners’ review, we still don’t have that information.”

Jurors believe that Hernandez knew what time Lloyd was killed because Hernandez was the one who killed him. Hernandez proclaiming his innocence to Kraft helped the jurors reach that conclusion.

130 responses to “Jurors call Kraft’s testimony compelling evidence against Hernandez

  1. That’s ridiculous. Look, we all know he meant he was in a club during that time. It’s well established Lloyd was killed very late at night. So if that’s the piece of evidence that did it for them amongst all the other damning evidence…I don’t even know what to say.

  2. I think the guy is guilty as sin but I don’t see this as some key piece of evidence. Didn’t they have a general time of when he would have been killed seeing as there was info that showed they were together up until one point? If so, it isn’t hard then to understand how a guy could say he was somewhere else during that time if he said he was in that place for hours.

    A bit frightening if this was a big key piece of evidence for their decision.

  3. I hate the patriots but I have to give Kraft credit for getting involved and talking with Hernandez. A lot of owners would have distanced themselves from the whole thing and played “hands off owner”. In this case he made a difference.

  4. Can someone please clarify something for me?

    In the immediate aftermath of the killing, didn’t the media come out and report that 2 people who were working at a nearby industrial park claim to have heard gun shots at such and such a time?

    The media were scraping all kinds of evidence together and reporting it as soon as they knew it and Hernandez could’ve gotten that info from TV. I guess I need to know when did his conversation with Kraft take place?

    What am I missing?

  5. The only reason Hernadez got rid of the gun was that it was registered to and bought by Kraft. It was in the swag bag that all Patriot’s get when arriving at camp.

  6. ravenswhat says:
    Apr 15, 2015 12:45 PM
    That’s ridiculous. Look, we all know he meant he was in a club during that time. It’s well established Lloyd was killed very late at night. So if that’s the piece of evidence that did it for them amongst all the other damning evidence…I don’t even know what to say.

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    Doesn’t matter what “he meant” – it’s what he said.

    He could have clarified what “he said” by taking the stand – couldn’t he? But he didn’t….

    Bottom line – Kraft’s testimony showed that Hernandez is a liar. Video evidence (him going back to the house, with the other 2 guys, carrying gun etc) doesn’t show him at a club, does it.

    Once the seed of doubt it sown and you don’t get on the stand to refute it…

  7. all the patriot haters coming out in swarms today…so the last 8 months must have been pretty rough for you guys huh…. SUPER BOWL CHAMPS! let me lick your tears haters

  8. Not only does it imply he knew what time the murder took place, but didn’t his own lawyers admit he witnessed the murder during closing arguments? I think that’s more of a damper on his alibi then implications that he knew what time the murder occurred..

  9. Being a feature TE in a Brady run offense is about as good as it gets. Life in prison without the possibility of parole is about as bad as it gets.
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  10. This is the worst piece of evidence i’ve ever read.

    With that being said, i’ll say this, Life without parole was too much. Say what you want but there are 1000’s of murders every year and I know for a fact they don’t all get life without parole. I mean a lot of them don’t even get life! If this was an example to be made I completely and totally disagree with it. When you’re dealing with life and the law, examples should never ever EVER be made. All people should be tried equally.

    On top of the fact that when you roll with people like that, you know what you’re doing. When you choose to live outside of the law, go to clubs, carry guns, deal with drugs, roll with gangs, you know what you’re getting into. Every single person who does that knows that they could be killed at any given time. Does this mean I think he should have gotten off. NO. Life without parole though, that’s tough. He got his time though and he did something truly terrible.

  11. This case is so far away from football its not even funny. This is about human dignity and respect for another human being. He just happens to play football. America loves the feel good story of the kid from the bad enviorment making it out and doing good in life. Well that doesnt always happens. Not everyone makes it and AH and guys like Rae Curruth are living proof. This is sad on many levels….a life was taken , over stupid circumstances, and a little girl doesnt have a father ……there are no winners here today , but justice for Lloyd………

  12. mcjon22 says:
    Apr 15, 2015 12:53 PM

    And Ray Lewis will be on Sportscenter soon to speak about the murder conviction. SMH!!!
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    That’s because Ray didn’t kill anyone, get over it.

  13. You’re missing the fact that Hernandez shot a friend in the face, killed another before Odin and was seen on video in his own house with a gun that night, his DNA was on gum found at the scene and the text messages from Odin saying if he disappears he is with “NFL”……for starters.

  14. ravenswhat says:
    Apr 15, 2015 12:45 PM
    That’s ridiculous. Look, we all know he meant he was in a club during that time. It’s well established Lloyd was killed very late at night. So if that’s the piece of evidence that did it for them amongst all the other damning evidence…I don’t even know what to say.

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    It’s rather simple.
    If you make a very specific alibi, when the time of murder was never confirmed, well… things aren’t looking too good for you.

  15. Ya and also the fact that odin lloyd is basically family to AH he would have heard about what happened so this big revelation by the jury regarding kraft is kind of alarming as this was the sticking point if this was their smoking gun

  16. AHern went from telling Kraft he was in a club at the time of the murder to having his attorney tell the jury AHern was at the scene of the murder at the time of the murder. Kraft’s testimony established that the defendant is a liar and his attorney is complicit in a deception designed to deceive the jury. Expect his associates to plead out to avoid life. Also expect at least one associate to be vocal. AHern ratted them out…..and revenge is a bitch.

  17. I’m sure Hernandez was sitting there wishing he could get rid of the jurors and the prosecutors. He was probably thinking the same thing about Kraft when he was on the stand essentially calling him a liar. He probably can’t believe people disrespected him.

    He’s a sociopath. Maybe his defense team will base an appeal on too many hits on the head while he was playing football.

  18. Sharp prosecutor to put Kraft on the stand so he could introduce Hernandez statement/attempted alibi.

  19. Not good news to hear if your Kraft. Who wants to be known as the guy who put the gangster away for life. Surely not me.

  20. So pathetic of a human. A guy who God gave good health, good talent, physical size, a good country to be raised in, lots of wealth, every opportunity. I guess the old biblical verse of “To those who are given much, much will be expected” (or something like that), Hernandez did evil, very evil things. Hard to be sure if this will be his biggest sentence. What a shame when you think of all the good people that struggle with blindness, crippled, poverty, whatever, and this guy had so much.

  21. With that being said, i’ll say this, Life without parole was too much.
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    So, if it was your brother or son murdered, you’d say; “well, he knew what he was getting into”? It’s murder 1. Even if the victim was into drugs or a POS like Hernandez, life is a good sentence. The sentence not only punishes what he did, but it also protects society from what he could do to the innocent in the future.

  22. Wasn’t that entire point rendered moot once the defense attorney admitted Hernandez was at the murder scene and ‘witnessed’ it? I mean, I get that both are damning to Hernandez, but they basically say the same thing there. He lied to Kraft about where he was – and then admitted he was at the scene of the crime. What made the time of the murder relevant to the jury? I guess it doesn’t matter at this point.

  23. The time of Lloyd’s killing doesn’t matter, his lawyers admitted he was there. The only thing Kraft’s testimony proved is that AH lied to his boss about it.

  24. Too bad the Jury couldn’t work like it does the NFL..

    Hernandez was in the process of tucking the gun, just start over and act like nothing happened.

  25. There goes any hope of them complaining about the jury in appeals. Smart jury if they put that together. Kraft I’m sure will have extra security around him for a while.

  26. I think some of you guys need to pick up a dictionary. Just because something is “compelling”, does not mean it was the key piece of evidence that convicted him

    In this case, when you tell your boss (Kraft), that you were at a club the whole night, and it can be proven that you were not, that is compelling evidence that you are dishonest

    It doesn’t mean his DNA at the scene, video of him carrying a gun, then trying to destroy his own security camera, destroying his own phone, ect weren’t more important. It just means that it helped them form an opinion of the mans honesty

  27. Let’s try to explain it to those who can’t grasp how a circumstantial case rightly results in a guilty verdict, if the crcumstancs are strong enough. We’ll try to do it in a manner the befuddled can begin to comprehend.

    You walk into a room, where there is a television on, but the volume is muted. On the television, you see a Packer catching a football, then running into the end zone, then leaping into the stands of a football stadium. He is being slapped on tha back by happy people wearing Packer gear. You identify the Packer as a defensive player. The next shot on the t.v. shows a Bear walking off the field, and you identify the player as Jay Cutler, with a disgusted look on his face. Then, in the next shot, you see the Packers kick the ball through the uprights, snapping the ball very close to the end zone.

    Now, you didn’t actually see Ol’Jay throw the ball, and you haven’t actually heard anybody say that he threw the ball. However, do you really think it is reasonable to doubt that Jay Cutler threw a pass that was intercepted, and returned for a td?

  28. Juror comments are always interesting but it can be hard to explain why exactly you feel the way you do about something.

    The bottom line is that if you are in a car you rented with 4 guys, the car drives to a vacant lot and one of the occupants is executed, and you are later seen on tape disposing of a gun matching the murder weapon ten or fifteen minutes after the murder, any reasonable person is going to find you guilty of murder without a compelling explanation. The fact that you lied to your boss about being in the club at the time of the murder is just icing on the cake.

  29. Well, given that the defense admitted that he was there for the actual shooting, I don’t see how the fact that he “knew” when he was killed would be damning.

    And if he had said he was in a club when he was killed, that doesn’t mean that he knew the exact moment. He may have been making a general assumption if he was in a club most of the night that that’s when it was.

    Now in this case the above paragraph is moot, because the defense admitted he was actually there. Which again, means that his false alibi in and of itself is pretty meaningless. What was he supposed to say (assuming he was innocent) “Gee boss…yeah, one of my entourage shot him…”.

  30. redrew says:
    Apr 15, 2015 1:12 PM
    AHern went from telling Kraft he was in a club at the time of the murder to having his attorney tell the jury AHern was at the scene of the murder at the time of the murder. Kraft’s testimony established that the defendant is a liar and his attorney is complicit in a deception designed to deceive the jury. Expect his associates to plead out to avoid life. Also expect at least one associate to be vocal. AHern ratted them out…..and revenge is a bitch.

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    Doubtful. At this point, they have no reason to plead out. The prosecution isn’t going to give them much, if any, of a deal. Why would they? They already convicted the guy with the million dollar defense team. Comparatively, these guys will be easy to convict

    As far as “ratting”, why? All it does is make you a known snitch in prison, where you are about to spend a looong period of time. It does nothing to hurt Hernandez, he’s already been convicted and is serving life.

    Of course they will point the finger at Hernandez, just like he did at them. It will work for them about as well as it worked for him. In Mass, you don’t have to actually pull the trigger to be convicted of murder. Their only chance would be to claim they were so scared of Hernandez that they had to do it out of fear for their own life. That went out the window when they wouldn’t testify against him

  31. I guess the Patriots done their homework on this gangster. There is drafting a young player with issues and drafting a Nucky Thompson without the class. I dislike the Patriots but this idiot could and would have been taken by some team. If you have talent a lot of things will be over looked until someone works out your not worth the grief. That being said I can not get my head around the fact that he was a star player for a good team with all the trappings that come with being a NFL superstar yet still wanted to hang with other idiots. It really does show that with some of these scumbags there is no hope.

  32. conormacleod | Apr 15, 2015, 1:21 PM EDT
    With that being said, i’ll say this, Life without parole was too much.
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    Death penalty is too much. Life w/out parole too much. Just what will some of you people tolerate?!

    Probation?

  33. I am not a Patriots fan and I will say any other time it is fine to rub in the perennial cheaters stuff in their faces but this right here has nothing to do with the Patriots or football. This is truly a sad day. This could be one of our sons going the wrong path.

  34. The only thing that makes me question weather he did it in the first place, was that’s it’s hard to believe that a well payed NFLer would want to live a double life as a gang banger…. really ??????? Now Life in prison!!!! tragic

  35. To the people saying things about Kraft’s testimony being the key evidence that convicted Hernandez, and how scary that is…

    Read a real news story about it. Hernandez’s initial alibi claim that he was in a club all night was abandoned even by his own defense team, due to the fact that it was proven that he was NOT AT ANY CLUB THAT NIGHT at all.

    This was not some single damning piece of evidence that caused the jurors to convict him. A mountain of circumstantial and forensic evidence was more than enough, and the admission by his own attorney that Hernandez was AT THE MURDER SCENE makes Kraft’s testimony moot, except for maybe showing he’s a liar.

  36. All these comments about the Patriot Way and such are ridiculous. Hernandez is a murdered and it has nothing to do with which team he was on.

    (I’m a Seahawks season-ticket holder.)

  37. My guess is that what the jury meant is that they combined his alibi with the Defense’s admission now that Hernandez was actually at the crime scene.

    He was hiding something at the time

    They presume he was hiding his role in the murder – and that it’s more believable that he, as the head of the entourage, was responsible

  38. mcjon22 says:
    Apr 15, 2015 12:53 PM
    And Ray Lewis will be on Sportscenter soon to speak about the murder conviction. SMH!!!

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    INNOCENT until proven guilty is what Ray Lewis is. consider that every time you think about attaching his name to real killers like Hernandez

  39. Pats have nothing to do with this. This is about enabling people just because they have talent. If a kid is a you know what. Don’t give him good grades etc.. just cause he has talent.

  40. Only 1 commenter picked up on the actual facts – it doesn’t matter if his story made sense about knowing the time – his lawyer later claimed he witnessed the murder; so it’s more odd that the jury would be wondering how he knew the time – he knew because he later admitted to being there – all that means is he lied to Kraft… doesn’t really change if they thought he pulled trigger or watched

  41. I don’t believe the defense ever put in evidence the fact that Hernandez witnessed the murder, they just said it in closing arguments, so that wasn’t a “fact” the jurors could use to reach a conclusion.

    I still question how compelling Kraft’s testimony was as it relates to Hernandez’s alibi. The coroner would have placed a time of death within minutes of inspecting the body. There are many ways Hernandez could have known the approximate time of death, not that the lie is compelling in and off itself.

    Hernandez’s counsel specializes in appeals. They actually run the case with an appeal in mind. The statements of the jurors may come back to help the defense in its appeals.

  42. You say “A guy who God gave good health, good talent, physical size, a good country to be raised in, lots of wealth, every opportunity.”

    He also was traumatized by the death of his father (hernia surgery gone wrong) at a very impressionable age and local hoodlums took advantage of that as well he became addicted to marijuana which so many people think is “harmless”.

    I am not excusing his behavior, but I am also not going to claim that his life was so easy and he is simply evil. He was a kid subjected to the worst kind of trauma who went wrong.

    When you see a kid in your community in similar situations, subject to abuse and neglect, ask yourself what you can do to help to prevent another AH outcome. Take some action, beyond simply judging others.

  43. If hernandez played for the steelers this would have been covered up and he would be getting ready for the season. If this were baltimore, a statue would be erected already. Good thing the pats org is classy and the right thing was done

  44. Wrong path? I’d call this off a cliff.

    He has thrown a life of fame and fortune away. Not only a career and what comes with that, but his own life as well. He will be serving life in a prison about 1 1/2 miles away from Gillette.

    If he lives to be 80 he’ll be behind those bars for about 55 years. I can only imagine what is going through his mind right now. What a fool.

  45. Four Super Bowl trophies are ‘compelling evidence’ of a very well-run and extremely well-coached football team.

  46. The Patsies knew a lot more than what they have said.
    Pretty bad when you cover for a murderer to win some games.
    Long live the *!

  47. Was this before or after the police questioned him? If it was after obviously he would have a time frame as the police would have asked him where he was during that time.

  48. The Patriots have had an excellent year.

    1 – they win the Super Bowl.

    2 – they have an ex player convicted of murder.

    3 – the nfl has to add a new rule to keep the patriots from exploiting a loop hole in the rule book.

    4 – Kraft gets accused of sleeping with hookers.

    Great year indeed for the patriots. Congrats!

  49. Breaking news: Hernandez will be called in by the NFL to testify against Kraft regarding Deflategate as a character witness…

  50. The fact that he gave superfluous information regarding the victim’s time of death while being under investigation isn’t as stupid as playing gangster while making millions in a day job. Gotta say, AH keeps it real. Real stupid.

  51. INNOCENT until proven guilty is what Ray Lewis is. consider that every time you think about attaching his name to real killers like Hernandez
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    Actually Lewis was found guilty of obstruction of justice.

  52. This really reminds me of that old riddle:

    Guy gets a call from the cops: “Your wife has been murdered. We need you to meet us at the crime scene immediately.” Man gets in his car and drives to the crime scene, where cops immediately arrest him for killing his wife. How did they know he did it?

    Answer: If he were innocent, he wouldn’t know where the crime scene is.

  53. They should lock the door and throw away the key…. just don’t let Russell Wilson throw it.

  54. Whether you agree with the decision or not, that is a TERRIBLE jury. If other options were on the table then maybe the point about the time of the murder could hold weight (even then it’s questionable) but how does that information prove BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT that he committted FIRST DEGREE murder?

    I’ll take my finger off caps lock now.

  55. jamaltimore says:
    Apr 15, 2015 2:05 PM

    mcjon22 says:
    Apr 15, 2015 12:53 PM
    And Ray Lewis will be on Sportscenter soon to speak about the murder conviction. SMH!!!

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    INNOCENT until proven guilty is what Ray Lewis is. consider that every time you think about attaching his name to real killers like Hernandez

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    Lewis served time for obstruction of justice. He is not a murderer. Either were the other two guys he was with, as they were accused but not convicted. It was determined to be self defense.

    So I agree, Lewis is innocent. I think people give him too hard a time all these years later.

  56. nycdf says:
    Apr 15, 2015 2:30 PM
    The Patriots have had an excellent year.

    1 – they win the Super Bowl. – IT WAS A GIFT

    2 – they have an ex player convicted of murder. – THAT THEY DRAFTED KNOWING OF HIS BACKGROUND

    3 – the nfl has to add a new rule to keep the patriots from exploiting a loop hole in the rule book. – THE NFL IS ALWAYS CHANGING RULES FOR THE PATSIES*

    4 – Kraft gets accused of sleeping with hookers. – HE DOES

    Great year indeed for the patriots. Congrats!

  57. That is stupid it doesn’t show he pulled the trigger. Look I think he did it but if you go by reasonable doubt and innocent till proven guilty murder wasn’t proved there were three people there anyone could have done it. This is why the justice system is a fraud I know some will bash me but it’s true there are tons of people found guilty who weren’t and this is why

  58. So Kraft and the saintly Pats “didn’t have any clue they were giving $millions to a gang banging scum bag”.

    Yet, like his girl friend, when there was a murder, they felt compelled to ask him if he did it.

    Scumbag organization and owner.

    Disgusting.

  59. kevinlawrencecantor says:
    Apr 15, 2015 2:41 PM

    Whether you agree with the decision or not, that is a TERRIBLE jury. If other options were on the table then maybe the point about the time of the murder could hold weight (even then it’s questionable) but how does that information prove BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT that he committted FIRST DEGREE murder?
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    It doesn’t, however you forget that was only one piece of information over the course of a 10-week trial.

  60. If it proves anything, it’s that he was lying from the get-go.

    It’s since come out that he at the very least witnessed the killing, so there’s no longer any confusion about how he came to know the time of death and if he could have been at a club or not.

    So that makes him a man with a blown alibi and compelling evidence against him. That’s enough to convict in my book…

  61. Oh, fer’ the luv of Perry Mason, what was proven beyond a reasonable doubt was that three men were acting cooperatively prior to the fourth being murdered, and then continued to cooperate with one another after the murder. In a state when joint venture doctine holds, that’s enough.

  62. I think he was appropriately found guilty. I am however confused how the jury can say that the fact that Hernandez told Craft that he was in a club at the time holds relevance. At the closing arguments his defense dropped a bomb and stated he witnessed the murder. This basically states that he admits that he lied to Craft at that time. Anyone else thing that a odd thing to say to the media.

  63. jamaltimore says:
    Apr 15, 2015 2:05 PM

    mcjon22 says:
    Apr 15, 2015 12:53 PM
    And Ray Lewis will be on Sportscenter soon to speak about the murder conviction. SMH!!!

    ————————

    INNOCENT until proven guilty is what Ray Lewis is. consider that every time you think about attaching his name to real killers like Hernandez
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    Where’s Ray’s white suit? He may or may not have been the one to actually murder the guy, but he did obstruct justice in a murder investigation. And because of that his name will always come up in these kinds of discussions.

  64. paulsmith107 says:
    Apr 15, 2015 3:00 PM

    That is stupid it doesn’t show he pulled the trigger. Look I think he did it but if you go by reasonable doubt and innocent till proven guilty murder wasn’t proved there were three people there anyone could have done it. This is why the justice system is a fraud I know some will bash me but it’s true there are tons of people found guilty who weren’t and this is why
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    You apparently cannot read for content. They were asked about Kraft testifying and the said it was compelling testimony. Compelling does not make it the lynchpin of their decision. Perhaps the 131 witnesses for the prosecution and the 400+ exhibits introduced also had an impact on their deliberations.

    And as has been noted so many times already, with the joint venture law in MA Hernandez did not have to pull the trigger, he only had to be a knowing participant.

  65. Rr

    Given all the cheaters and murderers.
    They should rebuild Gillette stadium on Alcatraz.

    Why are Raven fans opening their dumb mouths about murderers when they have a statue of one outside of their stadium? At least the Pats cut him. The Ravens held on to Lewis for 15 years and only cut Rice when they were embarrassed into doing it.talk about a joke of a franchise.

  66. To the few of you who think the “life without parole” decision was too harsh… Don’t worry….after he goes thru his next trial he will need two lifetimes to serve out his sentence. Sad to think how young he is. Being locked up in a tiny cell for 60-70 years is enough to keep me out of jail. That, and I don’t have any tattoos.

  67. It’s amazing how Patriots fans make excuses.

    Patriots fans don’t want the Patriots to be labeled for Aaron Hernandez

    Yet they label the Ravens for Ray Lewis all the time despite the fact they have no proof Ray Lewis hurt anyone.

    Hypocrites much?

  68. Aaron Hernandez played for the Patriots while he committed the crime.

    The Patriots won’t escape that.

    And I always say this because it is funny.

    Patriots fans want a cookie because the Patriots cur Hernandez after he committed the crime.

    How nice of you.

    Patriots fans act like the Patriots had a choice. They didn’t.

    Let’s say the Patriots didn’t cut Hernandez how bad would the Patriots look now?

    They had no choice. Stop acting like the Patriots walk on water.

  69. 25 only and his life is over. What possessed this fool to believe he was above the law?

    I feel sad for the victim and all family members on both sides. What mother would ever be okay and not blame themselves?

  70. Read, people. READ. They said his testimony was “compelling”. They did not say it was by itself something that led to the conviction.

    That means in the days following the killing the jury believed that AH lied to Kraft about where he was that night. In other words one more piece in a pattern of behavior where AH tried to hide things about that night including not just lying to his employer, but trying to destroy his home CCTV system, a cell phone and having his fiancé dispose of stuff. And that is only a small part of the evidence the prosecution covered in the case.

  71. Nofoolnodrool says:
    Apr 15, 2015 3:43 PM
    Rr

    Given all the cheaters and murderers.
    They should rebuild Gillette stadium on Alcatraz.

    Why are Raven fans opening their dumb mouths about murderers when they have a statue of one outside of their stadium? At least the Pats cut him. The Ravens held on to Lewis for 15 years and only cut Rice when they were embarrassed into doing it.talk about a joke of a franchise.
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    Yet the Steelers still have Big Ben accused of assault on multiple occasions.

    Yet they still have James Harrison signed to their roster after hitting his girlfriend in 2008.

    Hines Ward DUI

    A Steelers doctor gave out steroids to players in 2010.

    And that is just the beginning.

    And you are talking?

  72. The last group of fans that should be out here attacking the Patriots because of Hernandez being convicted are Ravens fans.

    Ray Lewis and the missing white suit?

    Terrell Suggs and his bleach tactics….

    Ray Rice and his elevator practices…..

    That organization leads the league in miscreant behavior. Keep constructing those statues down there….

  73. ravensbmore52 says:
    Apr 15, 2015 3:46 PM

    It’s amazing how Patriots fans make excuses.

    Patriots fans don’t want the Patriots to be labeled for Aaron Hernandez

    Yet they label the Ravens for Ray Lewis all the time despite the fact they have no proof Ray Lewis hurt anyone.

    Hypocrites much?
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    No, we don’t know if Ray Lewis committed that murder, but we do know he obstructed justice in that case. So even if he didn’t do it he protected the scumbags that did murder someone.

    The Ravens put up a statue of someone who protected murderers. Kraft released Hernandez as soon as the cuffs went on him, and at that time all the rumors were that AH was going to be charged with obstruction, not murder.

  74. Wonder if they asked him to recite his statement that Hernandez had better character than Gronk.

  75. swagger52 says: Apr 15, 2015 12:43 PM

    Given all the cheaters and murderers.
    They should rebuild Gillette stadium on Alcatraz

    swagger52 says: Apr 15, 2015 12:58 PM

    It takes a thief to catch a thief.

    swagger52 says: Apr 15, 2015 1:02 PM

    Patriots throwback jersey will be appropriately prison stripes.

    swagger52 says: Apr 15, 2015 1:32 PM

    Too bad the Jury couldn’t work like it does the NFL..

    Hernandez was in the process of tucking the gun, just start over and act like nothing happened.

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    You should seek help…that’s just from half the page, you’re obsessed….the vast majority of comments are from raven fans…and you built a statue for the murderer on your team.

    You all should be reading the rulebook so you can tutor your dumb coach.

    #NEPatriotsSuperbowlChamps

  76. icup89 says: Apr 15, 2015 2:22 PM

    Was this before or after the police questioned him? If it was after obviously he would have a time frame as the police would have asked him where he was during that time.
    _______________

    True, but the defense for Hernandez basically said he was AT the crime scene, but didn’t pull the trigger.

    So in the eyes of the jury, something was (understandably) not adding up…

  77. taylorhornung
    As a Packer fan, I liked your little story. As a defense attorney I’d ask are you sure a some one didn’t fumble and it was picked up and ran in. As a jury member I would have reasonable doubt of what happened to cause the TD
    But what the heck, I do know they scored a TD because of point after, so hang Cuttler anyway, it had to be his fault.

  78. So tell me, swagger52, what’s it like to be so blindingly jealous of the Patriots organization that it prevents you from coming to logical conclusions where the Pats are concerned?

  79. Why are idiot Ravens fans even talking about murderers when the face of their city is one of them. Hell you even have a statue of him outside of your stadium. He stabbed two people, stashed the evidence away, and lied multiple times about yet the Patriots are murdering enablers for drafting Hernandez? The fact that Ravens fans are lecturing about character is both funny and pathetic.

  80. yooperman, apparently your reading comprehension doesn’t allow you to grasp that it was writen that you saw the Packer’s defensive player catch a pass, but not the person and throwing the pass, prior to running into the end zone.

  81. tommythehaus says:
    Apr 15, 2015 12:58 PM
    all the patriot haters coming out in swarms today…so the last 8 months must have been pretty rough for you guys huh…. SUPER BOWL CHAMPS! let me lick your tears haters

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    Another Pats fan proving why they are the biggest jerks in all of sports. They whine about “haters” but they spew lots of hate at other fans.

  82. And let’s make something clear about the Ray Lewis situation.

    Why do people act like the people who fought Ray Lewis former friends as victims?

    Especially when the Judge in Georgia ruled the situation as self defense?

  83. No…We do know that Ray Lewis did not commit a crime. Nobody ever held him for possible murder. After Ray retired, a full analysis was done in Atlanta about Ray being made a scapegoat for a section of Atlanta that has been completely razed (4 blocks). They wanted to hold Ray Lewis on something (obstruction of justice only) because they knew he wasn’t a murderer. Nobody ever said he was a murderer. They wanted to shift the focus from how bad Atlanta is to how bad Ray Lewis is.

    It worked, because Patriot fans are happy to keep bearing false witness.

  84. patsfan1820 says:
    Apr 15, 2015 4:32 PM
    Why are idiot Ravens fans even talking about murderers when the face of their city is one of them. Hell you even have a statue of him outside of your stadium. He stabbed two people, stashed the evidence away, and lied multiple times about yet the Patriots are murdering enablers for drafting Hernandez? The fact that Ravens fans are lecturing about character is both funny and pathetic.
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    LOL the Patriots are involved in a cheating investigation and now they have a player convicted of murder all in the span of 3 months LOL

    Patriots fans shouldn’t be running their mouths about anyone.

    Nobody brought up Ray Lewis but Patriots fans always do because they want to side step any situation that doesn’t look good for the Patriots.

  85. IDK if Hernandez killed Odin or not but i think Hernandez was most likely already guilty and convicted by the media long before he ever saw trial.

    If Hernandez DIDN’T kill him then the murderer(s) are still free.

    All i know for sure is that Aaron was done for with the first headline accusation.

  86. All this kid had to do was play football, stay healthy, exercise and stay out of serious trouble and he would have been more than set for life. He was holding a winning lottery ticket and ripped it up.

  87. “All this kid had to do was play football, stay healthy, exercise and stay out of serious trouble and he would have been more than set for life.”

    ————–

    Some people will do anything to avoid regular exercise.

  88. “LOL the Patriots are involved in a cheating investigation and now they have a player convicted of murder all in the span of 3 months LOL”

    —————————–

    And how did the murder of Odin Lloyd benefit them on the field? NADA

    Where did all that deflategate nonsense go?
    NOWHERE

  89. Nobody brought up Ray Lewis

    Quite a few brought up Ray, and I didn’t even read the whole thread.

    The Ravens gave Ray cover.

    The Patriots dropped Hernandez like a rock.

    Figure it out.

  90. I am reminded of how Great the Patriots organization truly is. They lose Hernandez, Woodhead, and Welker and end up winning a Super Bowl the following year.

  91. If you are one of the above mullet heads that brought Ray Lewis into this comment, do yourself a favor–read the trial transcript! It’s not complicated. Then again, reading takes a little effort. Bearing false witness is much easier.

  92. Still trying to figure out how the Pats haters are putting this on the organization? It’s as ridiculous as blaming Bill Polian and the Panthers for drafting Rae Caruth who murdered his PREGNANT girlfriend.

  93. paulsmith107 says:
    Apr 15, 2015 3:00 PM

    That is stupid it doesn’t show he pulled the trigger. Look I think he did it but if you go by reasonable doubt and innocent till proven guilty murder wasn’t proved there were three people there anyone could have done it. This is why the justice system is a fraud I know some will bash me but it’s true there are tons of people found guilty who weren’t and this is why
    ———————————————————-
    You clearly missed the part about “Joint Venture”.

    In Massachusetts, it doesn’t matter which of the three pulled the trigger, they’re ALL culpable for murder.

    Lloyd was murdered. Fact. Hernandez’s lawyer says he was there and witnessed the murder. It was HIS car, they returned to HIS house, he fed them the next day, relaxed around HIS pool hours after the killing, he did NOT report what he “witnessed” to the police.

    Joint Venture means he’s as guilty as the person who pulled the trigger.

  94. swagger52 says:
    Apr 15, 2015 4:42 PM

    Patriot fans are happy to keep bearing false witness.
    —————–
    Wow. How hypocritical are you. Do you actually think before you spew your nonsense? You make more false claims than any of the loser/hater/trolls on here. And you do it EVERY day. Look in the mirror.

  95. Never heard about a murder and then felt it necessary to ask an employee if they did it.

    Almost as if they knew he was on drugs, running with gang bangers and yet they kept paying him and ignoring his crimes to try to win.

    High class organization…

    LOL

  96. The time of the murder had not been made public,yet Hernandez told Kraft he was at a club when it happened. He did this to himself,but the scary part is that he will blame other people for his situation,and probably try to make them pay.

  97. I’m thinking he sucked up to Kraft and lied about being involved then admitted in court he was there. So he’s a liar i’m not going for anything he says.

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