Reese admits Patriots knew Hernandez had issues

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So what did the Patriots know about Aaron Hernandez when making him a fourth-round pick in 2010?  According to former Patriots employee Floyd Reese, plenty.

Reese, who began hosting a radio show this week in Nashville, said during an interview of Greg Bedard of TheMMQB.com that the Patriots were aware that Hernandez had issues at the University of Florida.

“When he was at Florida, he had some issues there too, there were some things that went on,” Reese said, via Bedard.  “We all knew about it.  It was just from our standpoint, we were getting a first-round talent in the fourth round under a contract that was going to keep him in line or it wasn’t going to cost us a penny.  The real downside for us was the fourth-round pick.”

And that’s why teams will continue to take chances on talented players with red flags.  At a certain point in the draft, it’s worth the risk to roll the dice on a player who may end up being a steal.  The downside, as Reese said, is the squandering of the lower-round pick.

That’s why the only way to truly deter teams from taking chances on players whose talent outweighs the risk of the low-round pick used to acquire him is to strip other (and higher) draft picks from teams who take that chance and have it blow up on them.

Unfortunately for the Patriots, Hernandez did nothing in his early years with the team (that they knew about) that caused them to be concerned.

“We knew he had some issues prior,” Reese said.  “[Former Florida coach] Urban Meyer and Bill [Belichick] were very, very close, and I think Urban convinced Bill that, you know, that these things weren’t going to be an issue.  When we structured his first contract, his rookie contract, we probably had 75 percent of the money in the contract set up so that he would only make it if he stayed out of trouble, didn’t miss meetings, was always there doing the right thing.  And for the period of the original contract, he lived up to every bit of it.  So it turned out well. Of course, after that, after he signed [a $40 million contract extension], things kind of went awry.”

Things actually went awry before the contract was signed; Hernandez pulled the trigger multiple times in Boston, killing two men in the process, before he used that same hand to sign his long-term deal.  The Patriots obviously didn’t know that things had taken such a negative turn.

As Tom Curran of CSN New England said on Wednesday’s PFT Live, maybe the Patriots should have known that something wasn’t right with Hernandez, generally.  Given that they already were on notice regarding potential issues at Florida when drafting him, team security should have been paying closer attention to Hernandez’s lifestyle, his whereabouts, and his overall conduct.

121 responses to “Reese admits Patriots knew Hernandez had issues

  1. “The real downside for us was the fourth-round pick.”
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    Well, that, and the minor collateral damage of having the reputation of the entire franchise put on trial, your owner being put on the stand to testify in front of media from around the world… little things like that.

  2. “…I think Urban convinced Bill that, you know, that these things weren’t going to be an issue. ”

    Once again, Urban Meyer, trainer of upstanding young men and an unimpeachable character witness.

  3. I’m no Patriots fan, but I think it is a bit of a stretch to suggest that they should have known what he was up to if the police didn’t. It isn’t like he was coming into work in bloodstained clothing, stinking of gunpowder.

    If he was doing his job and not getting arrested then it isn’t really up to the club to keep him under surveillance.

  4. Things actually went awry before the contract was signed; Hernandez pulled the trigger multiple times in Boston, killing two men in the process, before he used that same hand to sign his long-term deal.
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    Did i miss a trial?

  5. They knew.. or should have known!!!

    Future Law and Order episode!!!

    Put the whole organization on trial!!

    Go get them Jack McCoy!!!

    LOL

  6. Wait, I thought Kraft was “duped”?

    Just like they didn’t know anything about illegal videotaping or deflated footballs.

    Stay Classy New England ****

  7. That’s why the only way to truly deter teams from taking chances on players whose talent outweighs the risk of the low-round pick used to acquire him is to strip other (and higher) draft picks from teams who take that chance and have it blow up on them.

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    Ridiculous idea for a solution!

  8. end of 2013: “Belichick, per a close Hernandez associate, had told him to lay low, rent a safe house for a while. In May, he leased a condo in Franklin, Massachusetts, that Carlos Ortiz referred to as the “flophouse,” 12 miles from his mansion in North Attleborough.”

    Talk your way out of that one blind followers. the stench of guilt festers throughout this entire story.

  9. Well of course the Patriots knew he had issues while he was at Florida and so did everyone else. But the issues there were not murders.That’s why someone projected as a first round talent fell to the fourth round. If he worked out well, the Patriots got a bargain and if not they would drop him. As the story says he caused no issues during the first years, so the Patriots thought he had straightened himself out.
    As for the other two murders prior to Odin Lloyd, that has yet to come to trial and they did not have any knowledge of this alledged crime.

  10. Wait you want the NFL to strip a team’s high picks if a previous pick misbehaves? The Patriots were already punished by their dummy of a pick being sent to jail, their salary cap burdened by him and their organization’s reputation dragged through the mud. What more damage do you want?

    Furthermore, if draft picks are bound at the hip to court proceedings, I would fight tooth and nail to make sure an opposing player goes to prison instead of walking… I’m looking at you Ray Lewis.

    Let the court do it’s job while Goodell flails at his.

  11. Sweeeeeeeeet salty tears taste so good.

    Had we lost another last minute super bowl maybe all this back ground noise might effect pats fans.

    But with our 4th super victory in the last 15 years.

    We are enjoying our off season how about you?

  12. It’s one thing to think he might get into a fight or fail a drug test but man it’s a long jump to murder.

    I think every organization would have been fooled.

  13. “Hernandez pulled the trigger multiple times in Boston, killing two men in the process, before he used that same hand to sign his long-term deal. ”

    While he may be guilty, the double murder hasnt gone to trial yet. It is a bit reckless to say he killed 2 ppl. So far, the court has only decided he is guilty of murdering Odin Lloyd.

  14. I’m sorry but if you draft a guy like Hernandez, knowing the gang ties he had, then your security team really needs to keep an eye on him.

    After all, that’s what they’re for, to protect your investments.

  15. If someone with no knowledge of football came on here and read only the comments, then Hernandez would appear to be the first and only player ever drafted that had some red flags and it is something only the Patriots would do.

    Right.

  16. ” we were getting a first-round talent in the fourth round ”

    Any team in the NFL would do the same !

    Guaranteed Randy Gregory goes in the 1st round, even with his red flags Marcus Peters 1st or early second.

    Just Saying

  17. Eventually, we will hear more about what the Pats knew, or what they chose not to learn more about, when a person who truly cared about background would have been alerted to check further.

    And let’s not focus entirely on Hernandez. The Peter King story linked above says:

    “At the same time owner Robert Kraft was testifying for the prosecution against his former employee, the Patriots were reportedly extending a contract offer to then-free-agent linebacker Rolando McClain, whose background was more troubling than Hernandez’s was at the time the team drafted him out of Florida or when it gave him a contraction extension….McClain was arrested in 2011 for misdemeanor assault, discharging a firearm and reckless endangerment. Two years later he was arrested for providing false information to the police.”

    And of course there are other examples, like drafting Dennard.

    So this “we’re more principled than other teams because we cut him as soon as we learned some bad things” is BS.

    But let’s also be clear the Pats are no different than any other team in this regard. No worse – but no better, either.

  18. The entire league knew, that’s why he slipped to the fourth round. No one knew just how bad his issues really were

  19. Why punish a club if a player misbehaves in his own time? That makes no sense. Companies aren’t punished if an employee of their commits a crime off the clock.

    A late round flyer on a guy with character issues is a chance at redemption (see: Vick, Michael). If the player screws it up rather than taking advantage of it, why should the club be punished for giving them that chance in the first place?

  20. No issue with taking a chance on a guy in the fourth round (low $$$, low risk, potentially high reward).

    The issue is the 2nd contract. They signed the guy before they had to (he still had 2 years left on his rookie contract). Hopefully they had conversations about his previous transgressions before giving him that 2nd contract and that their judgement was clouded by his apparent “good behavior”.

  21. Knowing a guy has issues is one thing. Anyone who thinks they should have anticipated he would kill people is crazy.

    They likely thought they were taking on the risk of drugs and possibly assault….not great but still far from murder

  22. The resilience of this organization should not go un-noticed? What other team can sustain this type of drama and still win a Super Bowl? They had a murderer on their roster, they are accused in a bogus cheating scandal, and the Patriots still continue to dominate. It’s really impressive how they can focus on the task at hand. I wish my team had an ounce of that focus.

  23. Maybe not so much on the Internet, but we are a society that believes in second chances. Pats gave Hernandez a second chance. This time it worked out very badly.

    Some posters seem to believe that Pats should of/could of known this all along. I don’t know how it’s possible to know something until you do.

    Another example, it’s possible that Jameis Winston will outgrow his youthful “stuff” and turn into a quality NFL quarterback. It’s possible he won’t. Nobody knows for sure right now. But it’s a lead pipe cinch that if things go badly for him down the road, posters on this site will repeatedly snipe that the Bucs (or whichever team ends up with him) could of/should of known.

  24. “That’s why the only way to truly deter teams from taking chances on players whose talent outweighs the risk of the low-round pick used to acquire him is to strip other (and higher) draft picks from teams who take that chance and have it blow up on them.”

    So you want to invoke blacklisting?

  25. This isn’t about Goodell.
    This isn’t about Ray Lewis.
    This isn’t about any other team.

    This IS about the Patriot organization, swerving another set of rules/standards while again compromising the integrity of the game, in order to win a few games.

    This is completely disgusting.

  26. Just goes to show….character doesn’t matter as long as you can play. It’s disgusting how far sports has devolved.

  27. Look at all these sad desperate haters trying to pin these murders on Kraft and Belichick. News flash: Belichick cut him the day he was arrested. Kraft’s testimony was the nail in Hernandez’s coffin. And no one in New England is sad to see a murderer go to jail. If you’re looking to put the blame on someone for not solving homicides sooner they’re called the police.

  28. “Stay Classy New England ****”

    Keep those asterisks handy bro, hopefully you’ll be adding one or two more before Brady retires!

    (Pats fan since 1978)

  29. Lots of potential draft picks have issues of one kind or another. It’s a long stretch from that to “we know this guy is a murderer.” And Hernandez was going to be drafted by some team even had the Patriots passed on him.

    I’d be much more curious to know what the Pats thought once he was on the team. I have zero doubt there were people who correctly deduced his crew was bad news. NFL teams are just too small a community for stuff like that to not be figured out. But, again, guys having trouble for friends isn’t unusual and doesn’t mean anybody would guess the guy making millions was getting his kicks by killing people on the side.

  30. hairpie2 says:
    Apr 17, 2015 11:24 AM
    Things actually went awry before the contract was signed; Hernandez pulled the trigger multiple times in Boston, killing two men in the process, before he used that same hand to sign his long-term deal.
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    Did i miss a trial?
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    No, but this is a court of public opinion and what you did miss was numerous eye witnesses, including an old buddy of Hernandez who was in the car with him when he pulled the trigger.

    Hernandez later tried to kill his buddy too, but he survived and will testify against him, along with the others.

  31. mattwalshvideo says:
    Apr 17, 2015 11:25 AM
    Wait, I thought Kraft was “duped”?

    Just like they didn’t know anything about illegal videotaping or deflated footballs.

    Stay Classy New England ****
    ========================================
    The Patriots never denied anything about taping signals on the side lines.
    They did deny the allegations about taping practices and the rag that printed the original story had to print a full page add to apologize.
    The investigation about air pressure is on-going.
    By the way, the asterisks are only in your and your fellow haters minds. I can’t find them on any website or publication.

  32. What the ignorant Pats haters don’t know is that Hernandez spoke glowingly about how the Pats helped him to turn his lfe around. In particular, after he signed his extension, he spoke like a redeemed man who owed the Pats his life for allowing him to turn his life around. At the time he spoke his words, he might already have killed the two victims form the night club. No one in the organization never had an inkling that Hernandez was tied up in something like violent crime. In college his issue was smoking pot. No one, not us fans, nor the brass, had any clue what was happening and Hernandez proved to be just as big a pathological lair as is he is a murderer.

  33. How many teams have all of their players shadowed to make sure they aren’t murdering people? The Ravens, Panthers and Chiefs clearly don’t.

  34. That’s why the only way to truly deter teams from taking chances on players whose talent outweighs the risk of the low-round pick used to acquire him is to strip other (and higher) draft picks from teams who take that chance and have it blow up on them.
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    That’s absurd! Should Walmart or McDonalds be fined if one of their employees commits murder also? The teams need to do their due diligence and weigh the risks (that’s why he dropped to the 4th round). Your solution is reactionary and doesn’t fix anything at all other than punish the farmhand and close the barn door after the horse is already out of the barn.

    If the NFL wants to be serious about potential issues like this, they need to prevent the hiring of these guys in the first place. No draft eligibility and no contract authorization based on specific criteria. If they can’t come up with acceptable criteria ahead of time, then neither can the individual teams and therefor punishment of the teams for drafting someone “shady” becomes invalid.

  35. mikermiker says:
    Apr 17, 2015 11:27 AM
    end of 2013: “Belichick, per a close Hernandez associate, had told him to lay low, rent a safe house for a while. In May, he leased a condo in Franklin, Massachusetts, that Carlos Ortiz referred to as the “flophouse,” 12 miles from his mansion in North Attleborough.”

    Talk your way out of that one blind followers. the stench of guilt festers throughout this entire story.
    ==============================

    “per a close Hernandez associate”

    yea, there’s a real reliable source of information.

  36. This isn’t the Minority Report. No one has a crystal ball. Otherwise, why did the Vikings hire Adrian knowing he was going to abuse his son? Why did the Ravens sign Ray Rice knowing he was going to deck his fiance on video? Those teams should be raked over the coals for that….knowingly hiring child abusers and wife beaters.

    Better yet, why are everyone looking to these teams and the NFL to be the moral center of their lives?

  37. my understanding was hernendez was allegedley involved in a shooting in college along with one of the pouncy bro’s. it was in a bar parking lot, h was the shooter.

  38. It’s hard to fault the Patriots for this. What about his gang buddies, the Pouncys? Should Pittsburgh and Miami have passed on them? Maybe the league should ban them both right now because of guilt by association. Oh wait…This is America.

  39. Every team takes a shot. You can’t be expected to always take the squeaky clean prospect and win. Even those prospects can fall off the wagon. People are people and when you put stupid money in the pockets of kids who typically aren’t the brightest of the gene pool, stuff can happen.

    I give the Patriots credit though when the Odin Lloyd thing came out, they cut him immediately, regardless of the financial implications with his new contract. That was the right thing to do from a human level, not so much a football level.

  40. It’s so easy to see clearly in hindsight. He had issues, but it’s safe to say the Pats wouldn’t have drafted him had they known he’d become a murderer. He knew right and wrong, and chose wrong actions. That’s on him – not the Pats.

  41. getyourownname says:
    Apr 17, 2015 11:44 AM

    So this “we’re more principled than other teams because we cut him as soon as we learned some bad things” is BS.

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    I’m not a Pats fan, but I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say that, or even imply that. I’ve seen Pats fans say that the team cut him as soon as they knew he’d been arrested for murder, but that’s it.

    I don’t think anyone is trying to take the moral high ground in any regard with Hernandez. EVERY team has players with questionable backgrounds. Many of them never have issues in the NFL.

  42. Yeah, I bet all you critics only root for the boy scouts on your teams and openly protested when your organization brought in a player with “issues”.

    No way in the world Kraft pays big money to a would-be murderer unless he has no idea that’s one of the “issues” on the table. No one else can make a case for it either – that they warned teams he could potentially murder someone in the future. “Issues” are one thing, First-degree Murder is another.

  43. mikermiker says:
    Apr 17, 2015 11:49 AM
    This isn’t about Goodell.
    This isn’t about Ray Lewis.
    This isn’t about any other team.

    This IS about the Patriot organization, swerving another set of rules/standards while again compromising the integrity of the game, in order to win a few games.

    This is completely disgusting.

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    What are you talking about? What “rules” did they break?

    And as much as you’d like to make this only about the Patriots, it’s about the *entire* NFL. Guys with criminal pasts get signed and drafted all the time. It’s been that way for a LONG time.

    I will also add for those who want to pin this on the Patriots organization: name all of the active NFL players who’ve been convicted of murder. Right. This hasn’t happened before.

    If the Patriots hadn’t drafted him, someone else would’ve. The anti-Patriots nonsense becomes very tiresome, and this from a Browns fan.

  44. I love how all these Patriots haters are on here doing all their big talking especially the Steeler fans with that choir boy Big Ben as your QB
    You are all just jealous

  45. So every team in that had drafted someone with Hernandez’s background (and that would be every team in the league almost every draft should be penalized a draft pick if they break the law at some point? Why stop with players currently on your team, why not players that have ever been on your team past and present?

    I know its slow this time of year but can’t we get something better than this?

  46. So, if he hadn’t been drafted by the Patriot’s, or anyone for that matter, he would not have committed these crimes? Wrong, he’s the only one responsible for his behavior.

  47. In retrospect, knowing his history and the fact that he was using PCP, it’s amazing he managed to hold it together as long as he did. Jeez…the guy was using PCP, playing at a pro-bowl level, and saying and doing the right things in front of the media and coaches. How did he pull that off?

  48. If the Patriots did their due diligence, maybe instead of trying to blame the team, the league or the system we should just hold Aaron Hernandez accountable for being an evil serial killer. Let’s not forget who the criminal is

  49. well, when you have tons of tattoos, this is what ends up happening
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    “it was the ink, something in the ink, that made me do it. Yeah, that’s that’s the ticket, that’s what happened. Yeah, it was the ink”. -(in best John Lovitz/Tommy Flanagan voice)

  50. You say they knew he had issues, well there are issues and then there are Issues. I doubt if anyone thought or knew he was a trigger happy serial murderer.

  51. Am I missing something? Wasn’t Julian Edelman arrested for forcible touching a few years back? How being a good receiver changes everyone’s mind about him.

  52. unless the NFL passes a rule that says you can’t draft a player who has gotten into legal problems in college then the pats did nothing wrong. if they had not drafted him then another team would have. like he said they structured the deal to protect them and it worked out fine for them. are they suppose to watch the guy 24/7? he had issues but how were they supposed to know one of them would be killing people 4 years later?

  53. ATTENTION HATERS:

    Name your team and I’ll give you a list of all the players your team drafted out of college with “issues” or allegations.

    It’s pretty sad that your jealousy of the Patriots has you expecting GMs to act in the role of Police Detectives.

    And it’s pretty silly to expect NFL teams to do what law enforcement is unable to do.

  54. What’s the lesson here? Urban Meyer is a sleazy snake oil salesman who, in the spirit of Barry Switzer and Tom Osbourne, will allow any and all transgressions from murder, theft, assault, rape, not going to classes, etc as long as the team wins championships. He and the administration will cover up or attack victims.

    As long as the player attends his laughable prayer sessions (and produces on the field) he and God will forgive all transgressions and crimes.

  55. “And for the period of the original contract, he lived up to every bit of it.”

    The two guys he shot dead because they pissed him off wouldn’t agree with you, Mr. Reese… that DID happen during that time you’re talking about, idiot… the fact that y’all didn’t have a clue what he was doing while you thought he was “living up to every bit of it” just proves your own incompetence and cluelessness… can’t imagine why you got fired.

  56. That’s why the only way to truly deter teams from taking chances on players whose talent outweighs the risk of the low-round pick used to acquire him is to strip other (and higher) draft picks from teams who take that chance and have it blow up on them.
    **************************

    Wait, what??????? Let me get this straight, the NFL qualifies kids for the draft, meaning they have to actually formally apply through the NFL for it. And now you want to punish a team later on if that player does….what, exactly? Is any transgression, ever, grounds for stripping future draft picks?

    So you’d prefer to see a system whereby no kid who made a mistake ever gets a second chance because teams will be punished severely if the kid makes another mistake?

    And how in God’s name are you going to decide, beforehand, who is a “risk”? Hernandez had never even been arrested before, yet Johnny Football has. So who is to decide who is the ‘greater risk’???

  57. bstngrdn says:

    Well of course the Patriots knew he had issues while he was at Florida and so did everyone else. But the issues there were not murders.
    ======================================

    What were the issues, then?

  58. So if a college player has a troubled past, I think the NFL has a duty to make him unhireable..that way it forces these kids to walk the straight and narrow. If a college player keeps messing up, then he shouldn’t be in the NFL.

  59. june20102002 says:
    Apr 17, 2015 12:47 PM
    Am I missing something? Wasn’t Julian Edelman arrested for forcible touching a few years back? How being a good receiver changes everyone’s mind about him.

    _____________________

    Yes, you certainly did. You missed the part where the video evidence cleared him and the cops dropped the charges. Please, do try to keep up!

  60. june20102002 says:Apr 17, 2015 12:47 PM

    Am I missing something? Wasn’t Julian Edelman arrested for forcible touching a few years back? How being a good receiver changes everyone’s mind about him.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Completly false allegation. The charges were dropped as soon as the police saw video of what really happened, which was absolutely nothing. Julien-1….goldigging liar-0. Of course the trolls will now keep bringing up as gospel, because you reminded them of the incident.

    On the up side, it’s at least one time, when video tape HELPED the Pats!

  61. “Things actually went awry before the contract was signed; Hernandez pulled the trigger multiple times in Boston, killing two men in the process, before he used that same hand to sign his long-term deal. ”

    It’s a technicality, but because he hasn’t been convicted of the Boston killings (yet!) I think the word “allegedly” is supposed to appear in here somewhere.

  62. Murder trials:
    Buffalo 1
    New England 0

    Seriously though as much as I hate them there is no way to blame the Pats for this. My guess is they new he ran with bad dudes, smoked dope and played with guns… If they knew about anything more devious then that’s a whole other issue but I can’t believe they’d have signed him knowing this could happen

  63. Instead of punishing teams (most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard), don’t allow them draft eligibility. Which we all know can’t happen. Teams should not be punished for something the league allows them to do

  64. steelerfanjo says:
    Apr 17, 2015 11:40 AM

    PATS HAVE CHEATED TWICE. LOSERS ALL OF EM
    ________________________________
    Yet another Patriot hating troll who has no clue.
    Here are some things about the sains you know as the Steelers
    1)Feds: Steelers ex- team Dr.Dr. Richard Rydze prescribed illegal steroids
    2)seems half of the 1970 champs have all suffered from steroid abuse
    3)This from 2004, The Broncos, Steelers, and 49ers were all caught cheating on salary cap limits and all were fined and lost draft pick
    4) do you want more or should I point out to Patriot hating trolls like you that if you live in a glass house

  65. Mikeymikeysaid……..Belichek told AH to “lay low” and rent a safe house? Does anyone know if this is true? If it is, he’s an accessory after the fact, and can join a new team at Walpole. Someone please respond. I find that hard to believe. If it’s true, it’s a nuke on NE.

  66. steelerfanjo says:
    Apr 17, 2015 11:40 AM

    PATS HAVE CHEATED TWICE. LOSERS ALL OF EM


    I think the Steelers franchise should fold. Clearly they’ve proven they ARE NOTHING without cheating or paying off the refs – I mean they DID get destroyed by Tim Tebow, they haven’t won 1 playoff game since Dr Rydze was busted and they haven’t won one single legit title in their entire history.

    Clearly they don’t belong on the same field as the World Champion Patriots, winners of more Super Bowls in the last 25 years than any other NFL team. I say it’s time to fold them and to give a new team a shot.

    Discuss.

  67. mattwalshvideo says:
    Apr 17, 2015 11:25 AM

    Wait, I thought Kraft was “duped”?
    Just like they didn’t know anything about illegal videotaping or deflated footballs.
    Stay Classy New England _____________________________
    You are in serious need of a life. What is your favorite team troll? Here are the real facts that trolls like you refuse to acknowledge
    Starting 2007,According to the NFL rules, teams are allowed to record video from an upper level location or from the end zones with no restrictions so long as both teams have access to the location. Such taping does not require league permission. The patriots guy was caught in the first quarter of the first game of 2007 on the sideline. If he tped from the first row, trolls like you would have nothing to cry about.
    Any thoughts on Aaron Rodgers turning in overinflated footballs. He knows the refs don’t way them. Must you trolls keeping grasping at straws and except our greatness Hate us cause you ain’t us. Enjoy the Malcolm Butler interception highlight for the rest of your lives haters!

  68. Starting 2007,According to the NFL rules, teams are allowed to record video from an upper level location or from the end zones with no restrictions so long as both teams have access to the location. Such taping does not require league permission. The patriots guy was caught in the first quarter of the first game of 2007 on the sideline. If he tped from the first row, trolls like you would have nothing to cry about.


    The effort is always appreciated. But sadly… it’s futile. That’s why I don’t bother anymore. It’s WAY more fun and productive to get right up in Patriot Hater’s grill and run your mouth. Go ahead, gloat and rub it in! 🙂

    Patriot Hater loves dishing it out but it’s become apparent they can’t take it right back! 🙂

  69. The bottom line… as soon as the arrest happened, the Patriots cut him him immediately regardless of the consequences. Which was the right thing to do.

    Good enough for me. Really makes any issue around what “they knew” moot and irrelevant. 🙂

  70. heelergirl says: Apr 17, 2015 12:32 PM

    I love how all these Patriots haters are on here doing all their big talking especially the Steeler fans with that choir boy Big Ben as your QB
    You are all just jealous

    —-
    Regarding Ben – When your former highly respected coach calls you out for being an injury embellishing drama queen then you most certainly are an injury embellishing drama queen.

    How embarrassing. I’m glad my Super Bowl MVP, winner of more playoff games as a starter than any QB in history, and along with two other guys have won more Super Bowl rings than any other QB – takes his injuries and ailments like a real man and doesn’t make excuses or poses with his injuries for the camera.

  71. That’s why the only way to truly deter teams from taking chances on players whose talent outweighs the risk of the low-round pick used to acquire him is to strip other (and higher) draft picks from teams who take that chance and have it blow up on them.
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    This world is full of people who have had issues, some severe, in their early years who turned their life around as they matured and went on to do great things. To say that teams should be deterred from giving these young men a chance to turn their lives around with what may be their best chance for success is absolutely ludicrous. These teams know the risk they would be taking and no team is in the business of taking a troubled athlete and letting them run wild. If no one gives these youth a chance, you can guarantee that most of them will take the wrong path in life.

  72. —-
    Regarding Ben – When your former highly respected coach calls you out for being an injury embellishing drama queen then you most certainly are an injury embellishing drama queen.

    How embarrassing. I’m glad my Super Bowl MVP, winner of more playoff games as a starter than any QB in history, and along with two other guys have won more Super Bowl rings than any other QB – takes his injuries and ailments like a real man and doesn’t make excuses or poses with his injuries for the camera.

    I think the poster needs to get a grip. Big Ben has played with a broken nose without skipping a beat and I bet if you had a paper cut from the pompoms you are constantly waving you would be rushed to the emergency room. This thread is about what The Pats knew about Hernandez not the dribble you are shot gunning as fast as your dainty digits can type about your man crush Tammy Brady.you give boring a bad name.

  73. I think the poster needs to get a grip. Big Ben has played with a broken nose without skipping a beat and I bet if you had a paper cut from the pompoms you are constantly waving you would be rushed to the emergency room. This thread is about what The Pats knew about Hernandez not the dribble you are shot gunning as fast as your dainty digits can type about your man crush Tammy Brady.you give boring a bad name.

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    Well – when you hear Bill Cowher call Ben a liar over that broken toes claim from way back -that pretty much backs every single thing I said up. 🙂 Don’t shoot the messenger. 🙂

    I thought Favre was a little ridiculous with his injury embellishing and posing with injuries in front of the camera but Ben – that’s just over the top! 🙂

  74. Look at the massive inferiority complex of Patriots fans, its truly pathetic at this point. They know their team is a disgrace, it couldn’t be more obvious.

  75. @whitetrash clearly you have your terminology mixed up! It’s not inferiority its superiority. 🙂

    Our World Champion team is superior. And all of their World Champions fans are superior. We sit on top of the mountain smiling at all the inferior teams and their inferior fans beneath us. 🙂

  76. I love the Patriots & their fans,though disappointed with AH for being a convicted murder, have absolutely no inferiority complex at all…we support our franchise & respond to the jealous & envious trollers comments(the ones on here that religiously post dribble & have the true inferiority complexes) after all, they are the ones obsessed with all things New England….. You flock like seagulls (rats with wings) to post your salty tears of utter envey over how awesome the Patriots are compaired to your pathetic franchises…..it’s a joyous occasion every time I see it to know how much the Patriots OWN you as well as the team that let’s you down!!!
    Kiss the rings or Lombardi’s as it’s all the same to me!!!

  77. Everyone knows the pats have tainted rings except the cheatriot fans. The whole world is laughing at you. 6 steeler rings will always be greater then a tainted 4.

  78. catquick says:
    Apr 17, 2015 3:27 PM
    Mikeymikeysaid……..Belichek told AH to “lay low” and rent a safe house? Does anyone know if this is true? If it is, he’s an accessory after the fact, and can join a new team at Walpole. Someone please respond. I find that hard to believe. If it’s true, it’s a nuke on NE.

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    That’s from the bastion of journalistic integrity, Rolling Stone Magazine, quoting ‘unnamed’ Aaron Hernandez family friends in an article. Sounds like something ESPN would report.

    Belichick cuts players for tying their shoes wrong. Think he would actually harbor a murderer?

  79. To all self righteous Cheatriot fans:
    Your team drafted, and then signed to a GIANT $$$$ extension, a MASS MURDERER who’s red flags scared every other team off. Nothing you can ever say about any other team will ever be more demeaning than that. Not to mention your coach was caught cheating, your QB uses non regulation footballs, and as far as most fans are concerned you have not been, and are not champions.
    ****

  80. Two quick points:

    1. Julien Edelman proves his character every day on the field. One of my favorite Patriots players of all time for his over achievement.

    2. Read this thread and you will see undeniable evidence that that Deflategate both defamed and damaged the Patriots, Bog Kraft, Bill Belichick, and Tom Brady.

    Mr. Kraft, please pursue the Colts and the NFL to the full extent civil litigation allows in state court in Massachusetts. Teach them all a lesson.

  81. You’re right! The Patriots should have hired a team of private eyes to document his every step, watch who he hangs out with, and report when he sniffs his own farts.
    Since when is an employer blamed for the actions of an employee outside of work?
    Oh yeah…its the patriots

  82. Did Belicheat rig the system such that Hernandez could still listen to the games up the road while in prison? Once an extended family, always an extended family?

  83. Poor poor Patriots haters. It really is so true that denial isn’t just a river in Egypt! 🙂

  84. For the record, I have serious concerns with the mental stability “issues” of some of the loser/hater/stalker/trolls who have a scary 24/7 infatuation with all things NE. (I’m looking at bikerliker, voicewithoutreason, halfaz1127, trailertrash69, showercurtainn.)

    I’m saying this now, in advance of any/all of them going postal in the future as NE continues to win, so that when it happens, you can’t blame me. Because I told you so.

  85. Billy bob drafted him for this exact reason so they can cheat again if in the playoffs and snowing like crazy and you need a convict to drive a snow plow to clear off the snow for the kicker to win the game out comes Hernandez just like they did vs the Dolphins. Cheating is Pats favorite past time

  86. “Had we lost another last minute super bowl maybe all this back ground noise might effect pats fans.”
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    But Pat’s did lose another last minute SB. Then at the 1 yard line Seattle snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Everyone saw it. Especially Brady at 30 seconds left. 3rd straight SB loss…his expression voiced it.

    Enough of this a no name defender made a play nonsense to seal a victory. Everyone knows that particular passing play to the defense interior should not have been called. Pats 4 SB wins by a total of 13 points. Not one single blow out, and pats fans like to post how great their team is. Whatever. Better to be lucky than good

  87. I don’t give the Pat’s a pass on Hernandez. The stick our heads into the sands approach doesn’t work. Who does that benefit? The Pat’s from accepting responsibility obviously.

    You draft a kid with great emotional and anger issues and you bring him into your community, the least you should do is ensure that kids butt is in counseling at bare minimum. Don’t expect a kid, a known gang banger to miraculously developing coping skills for his anger issues and past history.

    NE failed their entire community, and the NFL, by not exercising due diligence into the root cause of Hernandez’s anger issue….this should have been a first step…If Hernandez failed to adhere to a structured and ongoing counseling as condition of his employment its very possible that 3 people would still be alive today. But NE chose not to give this player the tough love he needed and we’ve seen the result of NE’s failure to recognize the real issue of their chosen player.

    Aldon Smith was forced into counseling. Why not Hernandez. And of course on that question both NE, the NFL, and the NE fan base will say….crickets…

    Ignoring your responsibilities towards these young kids doesn’t make you a championship organization, it makes you look championship hungry , choosing a championship over respect for your community and community safety.

    Enuf said…

  88. @skhawh You don’t seriously believe that Hernandez was the only NFL player with anger issues do you?

    🙂

  89. Urban Meyer and Jimbo Fisher wouldn’t be successful college coaches if they weren’t excellent recruiters. The more guys you have getting drafted, the better it is for recruiting. So when you’re evaluating college players, the last guy you should ever listen to is his coach. I hear people saying how well Jameis Winston does certain things, and they’re citing his coach as proof. Wow. Some people never learn.

  90. When people deflect or resort to taking personal shots its because they can’t formulate a valid counterpointcounterpoint, and they know the other person is correct. Its childish and makes those people look foolish. It must be tough being a Patriots fan, having to defend a low-class , cheating organization… Its clearly taken a toll on their fans, and that is evident based on their behavior.

  91. whitetrash69 says:
    Apr 19, 2015 12:14 PM
    When people deflect or resort to taking personal shots its because they can’t formulate a valid counterpointcounterpoint, and they know the other person is correct. Its childish and makes those people look foolish. It must be tough being a Patriots fan, having to defend a low-class , cheating organization… Its clearly taken a toll on their fans, and that is evident based on their behavior.

    —–

    Man that has to sting. Cheering for a team whose true talent level without cheating or the refs help is to get beat – no, get completely owned embarrassed and punked- by Tim Tebow in the playoffs. OUCH! 🙂

  92. Someday, we will find out which of his gator buddies knew, and participated, in these “issues.” I don’t believe for a minute it was only Hernandez. I also want Meyer held more accountable. I think he knew something about his guys gang ties but protected him, because Meyer would protect a murderer if it would help him win a national championship.

  93. Patriots KNEW EVERYTHING. I believe they even tried to cover up the murder..
    Bob Kraft should be in Jail. Patriots are Crooks. Liars, Thieves and NOW covering up the tracks of killers..

  94. No, they didn’t “know about his problems,” otherwise he wouldn’t have been drafted. People need to accept the fact Hernandez has the ability to fool everyone and has done so for a long time.

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