Hall of Fame G.M.s split on Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota

AP

Ron Wolf and Bill Polian will go into the Pro Football Hall of Fame this summer, based largely on their ability to find the right quarterback at the right time.

So it’s interesting that the two are split on this year’s draft class, and which they’d prefer if they were picking.

Via Peter King of Sports Illustrated, the two legendary personnel men each offered conditions on their choices, while going opposite directions.

“Both guys have a chance to be successful [but] the bottom line is … adversity will come,” Polian said. “I’ve got to go with the more sure thing in my mind—Mariota.”

“If I had to pick, based strictly on what I know now, I’d pick Winston,” said Wolf.

Polian admitted he doesn’t have access to all the information the Buccaneers would have on Winston, based on their voluminous research. And Wolf confessed that he’s seen more of Winston than Mariota. And since neither of them are working in the NFL at the moment, they are opinions — although highly qualified ones.

“He’s an imposing guy. He has everything you’d want in a quarterback,” Wolf said of Winston. “I thought he was superb. What I know about Winston I like a lot. I’d take him in a heartbeat.”

Given Polian’s hesitance to endorse Winston without seeing all the reports, he was asked if they were equal, whether he’d still prefer Mariota.

“Very, very close,” said the guy who made franchise-deciding choices in 1995 in Carolina and 1998 in Indianapolis. “But I’d probably lean toward Mariota, as I said. It’s closer than Manning-Leaf was. Way closer. More like Collins-McNair in ’95.”

Of course, Polian had success, and is going into the Hall, based on the work of a guy who was mechanical and clean. Wolf’s ticket was punched thanks to a guy who had his share of off-field adventures, and was willing to take a chance from time to time [Brett Favre]. So their leanings might be based on past experiences as much as current tape.

20 responses to “Hall of Fame G.M.s split on Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota

  1. For the tie breaker we have the managers from publix,Burger King,housing complex, Tallahassee police ( scratch that they work for the football team),

  2. The constant trumpeting of Bill Polian as some sort of personnel genius is getting old. His wins came as the result of having two great QB’s on his teams, not because of his draft prowess. It could be argued that many of his wins were due to his incessant whining to the competition committee about “unfair” (read: not Peyton friendly) rules until they changed them. He doesn’t belong in the Hall; same holds true for Dungy.

  3. Why exactly is polian going to the hof again? Because he orchestrated a successful campaign to get officials to call any little thing on defensive backs because he was bs at how regularly the pats b slapped Peyton? It may have gotten Peyton into the hof but it has nearly destroyed the game

  4. I’ve said it before and i’ll say it again, neither of these two should go first overall and maybe not even in the top 10. Both have too many character and/or physical issues. Bucs are better off trading out and getting multiple picks to start rebuilding. It’s not like they are a QB away for the playoffs, let alone the superbowl.

  5. Closer than Manning/Leaf. And that’s the thing – there were plenty of experts who felt Leaf was more talented.

    But that’s why it’s a crapshoot – character and off-the-field issues can torpedo a promising career, regardless of talent (as we’ve recently learned elsewhere).

    Who knows how Leaf would’ve turned out if he wasn’t a basket case?

  6. “Wolf’s ticket was punched thanks to a guy who had his share of off-field adventures, and was willing to take a chance from time to time [Brett Favre]. So their leanings might be based on past experiences as much as current tape.”

    Thats a silly opinion. Favre didn’t have any issues when Wolf made that trade with Atlanta. He really never had any issues at all until he admitted to a pain killers addiction and by then he was an established QB, arguably the best in the NFL at that time.

  7. Saying farve had no issues beyond pain killers, not true. He sexted a bunch of physical therapist and loved to cheat on his wife. He was a lawsuit waiting to happen.

  8. This is the lady or the tiger-type decision. If I were a G.M. and I had to make the choice, I’d be quaking in my boots. You could end up a fool or a genius. Unless they both tank, or both become SuperBowl MVPs, there is no middle ground.

  9. Well you could always sucker someone to trade a kings ransom to get one of those guys and get back to say pick 10-20 and draft the guy I think will be the best qb in the class hudley from ucla. Not much drop off from those two to him and the extra picks can be used to sure up holes in your roster.

  10. primenumber19 says:
    Apr 20, 2015 9:17 AM

    Saying farve had no issues beyond pain killers, not true. He sexted a bunch of physical therapist and loved to cheat on his wife. He was a lawsuit waiting to happen.

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    Considering the trade for Favre went down in 1992 I’d say there was a good chance Favre wasn’t sexting anyone when they made the trade. He wasn’t even married until 1996.

  11. Indybear says:
    Apr 20, 2015 7:00 AM
    The constant trumpeting of Bill Polian as some sort of personnel genius is getting old. His wins came as the result of having two great QB’s on his teams, not because of his draft prowess.
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    Gee – I wonder who drafted those two great QBs and supplied them with weapons like Thurman Thomas, Marvin Harrison, Dallas Clark and Reggie Wayne.

    Ka-Durrh?!

  12. @axespray, I’m as big a Polian fan as anybody (Panthers to the NFCCG in their 2nd season, Bills 4 SBs–one after he left–and Indy’s amazing success), but Harrison was drafted in 1996 and Polian only went to Indy in 1998, so that’s his predecessor’s doing.
    Still, nobody seemed to find more late-round and UDFA contributors than Polian. Somehow his third-rounders in Indy were all snake-bit, which is weird. Edgerrin James over Ricky Williams? Dwight Freeney, whom everybody scoffed at as a reach? Addai was fantastic despite modest conventional stats. He and UDFA Dom Rhodes both had MVP-like super bowl performances versus the Bears. Even Tony Ugoh was a decent move–he was great for one 14-2 season, okay for another year, and then out of football thereafter, having lost his passion for the game.
    The year they drafted three centers, none of whom worked out was a bit disappointing. It wasn’t all gold with Polian, but uneducated fans griping about him (just like many do about Belichick–including me!) proves how good he was.

  13. We should have kept Polian…

    -Colts fan hoping they get this figured out while Luck is still with us! Hopefully we don’t have to wait until Brady retires but not looking good!

  14. Thats a silly opinion. Favre didn’t have any issues when Wolf made that trade with Atlanta. He really never had any issues at all until he admitted to a pain killers addiction and by then he was an established QB, arguably the best in the NFL at that time.

    wrong brett was running wild in atlanta partying that is why they traded him

    Turns out, there was more reason for Glanville to sign off on the deal: he was concerned with Favre’s drinking habits. In a rather candid interview with a radio station in Nashville, the former coach

    “I had to get him out of Atlanta … I could not sober him up,” Glanville said. “I sent him to a city where at 9:00 at night the only thing that’s open is Chili Joes. You can get it two ways, with or without onions. And that’s what made Brett Favre make a comeback was going to a town that closed down. If I would have traded him to New York, nobody to this day would have known who Brett Favre ever was.”

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