Dan Marino wouldn’t trade the Hall of Fame for a Super Bowl ring

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Dan Marino is on the short list of the greatest players never to win a championship, and he’s just fine with that.

Appearing at a Pro Football Hall of Fame function on Friday, Marino was asked whether he would trade the gold jacket that comes with Hall of Fame induction for a Super Bowl ring. Marino’s one-word answer: “No.”

Enshrinement in Canton represents the greatest individual achievement a pro football player can aspire to, and Marino isn’t just in Canton, but he’s even among the elite in the Hall of Fame, an easy choice as a first-ballot Hall of Famer.

And yet a Super Bowl ring is what every player is playing for every year, and although this is probably unfair, virtually every story about Marino’s career mentions the absence of a ring.

Marino’s comments are reminiscent of a story from a couple years ago, when LaDainian Tomlinson said he’d take the Hall of Fame over a Super Bowl ring, while Tedy Bruschi shot back that a ring is the greater accomplishment. Tomlinson, of course, never got a ring but will likely get to the Hall of Fame, while Bruschi isn’t going to Canton but does have three Super Bowl rings.

Marino’s comments may be an accurate representation of the status of enshrinement in Canton as the greatest achievement for a football player. Or they may just be an attempt to look on the bright side on the one count where Marino’s career fell short.

196 responses to “Dan Marino wouldn’t trade the Hall of Fame for a Super Bowl ring

  1. Who in their right mind would vote for Superbowl ring? A thousand scrubs have them simply by virtue of being on the winning squad.

  2. I understand where he’s coming from, but it’s a team sport. Leading your team to a Super Bowl win is an even greater accomplishment.

  3. Sure… i would rather a ring than a HOF career any day. The ring and the Lombardi is what you strive for, not personal stats and benchmarks. This is the ultimate team game. I’m sure he probably thinks about it more than he should, and it doesn’t help that he gets that questioned asked a lot in the media.

  4. It’s funny that on the poll in the Teddy B article, 70% of the readers here said they would rather have a ring than be in the HOF.

    I don’t know if the readers are being easily led by the author or their love/respect of the player in the article or both. It’s worth noting the author of the Teddy B article agreed with his illogical nonsense that an individual player has more control over his team winning than individual performance. What?

  5. Dan Marino was a very good QB in his day, but to be honest, he’s not in Brady’s league. Dan had a great arm but as a total QB, Tom Brady has high intelligence and is a winner when it counts.
    Some may disagree but they can also kiss the rings..

  6. I would agree, if he wasn’t a QB. When you’re a QB, it’s different. Sorry Dan, I don’t like you.

  7. He was at a Hall of Fame luncheon. Exactly what did you expect him to say? “Nah, I use this gold jacket to wash my car with”?

  8. I can understand his point – I wouldn’t want to be Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson or Jim McMahon either.

  9. Hall of Fame is all subjective. Super Bowl win is not up for debate. It is tough considering that there are number of teams vying for it. If Hall of Fame is that important, then number of players not in the Hall would have been enshrined.

  10. Of course bruschi thinks that. He’s a belichick guy through and through. Team before self and all that.

    But there are players that sign the week before a SB is played that have rings. Equipment guys get rings for the SB.

    How many of those enter the hall? Hall is hands down more important.

  11. The Hall of Fame is a great individual achievement, but the greatest achievement a person can reach in a team sport is a championship.

    A lot of these guys seem to have forgotten the ‘ol “there’s no I’s in team” mantra that we always hear.

    How about you ask some of those first ballot hall of famers what means more to them. I sort of remember that most of them say the Super Bowl. Reason usually given: because we won it as a team.

  12. Sheesh, Terry Hanratty has a couple of rings. Woo! I bet a lot of people consider that a great accomplishment for a career backup. HoF is, and should be, about individual achievements.

  13. Too many things beyond your control have to go right to win a SB. Marino was clearly better than Bradshaw who has 4 rings because he had HOFers playing at almost every position.

  14. I hate to say it but Marino is sort of your typical dumb jock and he didn’t win any Super Bowls. A QB like Brady is a smart/nerdy jock and he’s got four.

  15. Every season, what are they playing for? Wins! That is all that counts during the season. Players suppress their desire for individual glory to get wins. Otherwise we could just play pitch and catch and give awards to the most beautiful catch and the most accurate throw. We score the game and we celebrate wins….

    Super Bowl is the greatest individual or team achievement!

  16. Marino couldn’t get a team with superior offensive talent over the hump great QB,
    Bradshaw
    Brady
    Manning
    Montana
    Akiman
    Starr
    Kelly

    All better leaders and QB’s

  17. the fact that this is even a debate is absurd. 70ish players every year get a Superbowl ring. 300 men total are in the hall of fame. its not comparable. hall of fame is the greatest achievement a player can have. 75% of a superbowl roster are lucky they were on a team with the other 25%.

    now if you’re asking would you rather the career of bruschi (3 rings, solid career, above-average starter on a dynasty, but fell short of hall of fame) or be an all-time great that never won a superbowl, thats a different story. not a clear answer on that one. personally, im leaning towards bruschi…

  18. Why is this even a question? Hundreds of guys we’ve never heard of have Super Bowl rings. Only a few genuine greats make the HOF. Of course HOF is the sign of a greater career and that’s what anyone strives for regardless of profession.

  19. Funny how the same people who say the Ring is better achievement because it represents a team effort, are the same folks who give all the credit to the QB.

    Championships are TEAM accomplishments. No QB has ever won a SB by himself. Never. Do you really think that Joe Theismann, Phil Simms, Mark Rypien, Trent Dilfer, Doug Williams, Brad Johnson, or Joe Flacco deserve to be in the Hof?? Would you take any of them over Dan Marino in his prime?

  20. Super bowl rings have way less value, player by player, than HOF jackets. Case in point, in 2014 Jordan Devey won a Super Bowl ring even though he didn’t play in 12 of the 19 games this year. He wasn’t injured, he just didn’t play. How many other players won SB rings without really contributing to it (Edgerrin James comes to mind)? How many players with gold jackets missed 65% plus of their teams games but still have bust in the Hall?

  21. A Super Bowl ring means you played on a great team. Enshrinement in the HoF means you were one of the best of the best at your position while you played.

    I’m sure Dan would rather have both, but to just choose one, it’s a no brainer.

  22. This is certainly a matter of perspective based almost entirely on how the player views himself. Bruschi is a marginal linebacker at best so of course he’s going to view his ‘accomplishments’ as superior to Marino’s.

    If Bruschi were viewed as a Lawrence Taylor type of talent, believe that he’d most certainly consider himself having a stellar career even if he never won a ring.

    If Marino were some type of Trent Dilfer type who managed to win a ring, he’d most certainly be saying he’d rather have the ring.

    It’s simply a matter of perspective and the psychological mind games one plays in the name of justification and rationalization.

  23. Every year 56+ players are awarded superbowl rings. Every year anywhere from 3 to 8 players or contributors are deemed worthy of being selected to the hall of fame.

    Winning a Superbowl is a team achievement. Making the HOF means you were amongst the best of your era. Why would you trade that for a Superbowl ring? There is no shame in giving your best and not winning a Superbowl especially if your best is HOF worthy.

  24. I’m confused by the argument of most of the guys that are falling on the ring side. Almost uniformly, they are all saying “football is the ultimate team game”, which if true, seems to fly in the face of the ring being the bigger accomplishment

    If it is in fact the ultimate team game, then being a great player means little. If you don’t have the coaching staff to use your talents correctly, the front office to put the right players around you, and other players that can play at a high enough level to compete with the elite teams, you aren’t going to win a ring

    If that is true, then how could it possibly be a bigger individual achievement? By definition, you need the entire organization doing their job, so by definition, it is not an individual achievement, let alone better than being enshrined

  25. Spoken like a true loser. The greats have both and don’t get asked this dumb question.

  26. The two aren’t mutually exclusive. It’s actually a silly question with the only TRUE answer being “both”. Be honest here…do you look at the HOFers with rings and without a ring the same way? For instance, Dan Marino and Tom Brady when he gets there? (And he will get there). Of course you won’t. The rings elevate them. Which leads me back to the stupid question, the answer is both.

  27. So obvious who the Patriot fans are in here. This is an article about Marino. It has nothing to do with your team, how it *’d it’s way to another super bowl championship. Has nothing to do with Tom Brady. Has nothing to do with Seattle screwing up at the end of that game. Admit it. After Kearse made that incredible catch, you thought you were doomed! One day, when Brady retires and Belichick beeps is way into a nursing home, irrelevance will return to your team yet again.

  28. There’s no doubt that enshrinement in Canton is a much bigger individual accomplishment than winning a Super Bowl. But I don’t think within the context of this discussion we’re talking about back of the roster fillers. I’m guessing that Russell Wilson, if he never wins another Super Bowl, would never trade his ring for a career that lands him in the HoF. And can you ever imagine Brady trading just one of his 4 rings for enshrinement? Not a chance. Now if we’re talking about a backup or marginal player, of course they’d take the Hall. In Marino’s case, I think it’s just one big rationalization for a great, but not fully realized career.

  29. ReligionIsForIdiots says:
    Apr 25, 2015 11:02 AM

    Super Bowl is overrated. All you need to do is cheat and you win one, it’s pathetic.

    **************************************************

    Still butthurt huh? Its ok kiddo get it out of your system…

  30. ReligionIsForIdiots says:
    Apr 25, 2015 11:02 AM

    Super Bowl is overrated. All you need to do is cheat and you win one, it’s pathetic.
    ————————————

    Or two in Denver’s case.

  31. I think for a QB, it’s a totally different argument. They are leaders and great leaders who happen to be great players get both the ring and the jacket. Now if Marino were a second string running back or even a linebacker/d-back, I think his answer is a good one, but as a QB you are held to a much different standard.

    Think about how Marino is perceived because he never won a SB. Now think about how his Dolphin teammates aren’t perceived in the same way.

  32. Everything Bruschi says is garbage. There’s just shy of 300 players/coaches/owners in the HOF. The NFL pays for 150 super bowl rings for the winning team each year (meaning that teams can buy extras if they want). The HOF is a far more prestigious honor with fewer members.

    If the argument was HOF vs Super Bowl MVP, that changes things.

  33. I’d need more information to make a proper decision. Am I getting a ring as a guy who is inactive most weeks? In that case, give me Canton. But I’d definitely take the ring if it came with a good career with a Pro Bowl or two sprinkled in and a few memorable contributions to a championship run as well. At the very least, I’d want to be able to say I played in a Super Bowl, like Marino did.

  34. He also wouldn’t trade being in the “David Hasselhoff Look Alike” Hall of Fame for a Super Bowl ring as well…..

  35. Well, the HOF is an individual achievement where the SB ring is a team achievement…. The HOF certainly means more to the individual player…

    Marino is certainly in the top 5 qbs ever even if he didn’t get a ring to add to all the other accomplishments…

    It’s still too bad Marino never got a ring to add to his career and those that belittle him for that are simply ignorant..

  36. mtrhead269 says:
    Apr 25, 2015 10:59 AM
    Marino couldn’t get a team with superior offensive talent over the hump great QB,
    Bradshaw
    Brady
    Manning
    Montana
    Akiman
    Starr
    Kelly

    All better leaders and QB’s
    ————
    This is so silly. Superior offensive talent? Every one of those QBs you listed with the played on teams with multiple hall of famers.

    Who were the hall of fame rs that Marino played with? Montana’s teams were loaded, Aikman’s teams were loaded, Bradshaw’s teams were loaded. Manning’s team was built around him but he still played with hall of fame to borderline hall of fame players. Kelly played with multiple HOF players. Your analysis is sorely lacking.

  37. “Making the HOF means you were amongst the best of your era.”

    I agree that’s how it should be. Unfortunately, the HoF voters are really no more than regular fans. They get easily enamored of the SB wins and ignore the great players. How else do you explain Lynn Swann in the Hof? How else do you explain Drew Pearson not in the HoF?

    Swann isn’t in the top 250 in career receptions – Pearson is 133rd.
    Swann isn’t in the top 200 in career yards – Pearson is 96th.
    Swann has 3 more career TDs than Pearson.

  38. So, to all those challenging Marino’s view, you’d rather be a nobody on a good team than an all-time great?
    Of course, it would be nice to have it all, with a great underdog story to boot (see: Tom Brady). But ultimately, if things don’t work out for the team, the HOF career is the right answer. And it’s not close.

  39. There are players driven by personal achievement, and for them, the Hall of Fame will always be the greater honor. For those who embrace team performance, even if it means that individuals on the team have to forgo individual honors for the greater good of the team, then the Super Bowl ring is for them.

    This is especially true in the post-salary cap era, when rich owners can’t just stock up their teams with every expensive star available. Team performance, especially sustained team performance over a number of years, is all the more remarkable now, even if not too many individuals from that team will ultimately find their way to the Hall of Fame.

  40. He choked in some pretty big games. His stats and domination make him a Hall of Famer. No Super Bowls put him behind Montana, Brady, Unitas, Bradshaw, and Manning.

  41. Tom has a weaker arm, so says the NFL 2000 Combine. Dan had the better arm, better weapons and a great Coach. Tom had a great coach, a weak arm and lousy weapons. Here I apologize to Peyton for calling him one and done. Dan is true Mr. One and done, one single Super Bowl appearance and he didn ‘t like it. He was content to run up his individual Stats to ensure a HOF career. At least Peyton made it to three of them and only won ONE. Tom on the other hand will never be close to Dan’s individual stars, hey, that is the major difference in select 199th vs. being the 27th pick. Big difference is TB has 6 SB appearances winning 4 of them.

  42. onlysane1intheroom says:

    Think about how Marino is perceived because he never won a SB. Now think about how his Dolphin teammates aren’t perceived in the same way.
    ======================

    But that’s completely in the fans control. You can be led by the media into believing that everything revolves around the QB, when it is SO clear that isn’t the case, or you can choose to say “That’s BS”.

    It’s lazy thinking to just point at an obviously great QB like Marino and say he’s not as good as Trent Dilfer because Dilfer won a SB and Marino didn’t.

  43. “You play to win the game”. It can’t be any more simple than that. If you don’t win the Super Bowl the season is a failure and that’s not up for debate. Why play any game if wining isn’t why you do it? From video games to monopoly,bowling,darts,horseshoes, any game you play you play to win period. Marino and Tomlinson where grate players but never won the Super Bowl and it must eat them alive to be that good and not have a ring to show for it. The HOF is getting recognized for being grate at what you do, a Super Bowl ring is the whole reason you do it in the first place.

  44. Are you kidding me? That’s ridiculous! If Dan wins a SuperBowl with the career he had he’d be a cinch to make the Hall of Fame. I think his comments may have been taken out of context. What is being reported makes no sense.

  45. Just because you don’t win a team championship doesn’t mean you aren’t a good player. A lot of that stuff is beyond the player’s control. The player can only do so much if he’s on a team that sucks and the owner and GM doesn’t build a better team around you. I think the greater honor is the HoF. What do you expect Bruschi to say? His chances of getting in the HoF? 0%.

    There are a bunch of players in all sports that never won a championship. That doesn’t mean they suck. Karl Malone, John Stockton, Bob Lanier, Patrick Ewing just to name a few in the NBA.

    Dan Marino and Fran Tarkenton may not have rings but it certainly wasn’t their fault. It wasn’t Elway’s fault they never won until they got Terrell Davis but if they had never won, would people be blaming Elway? It’s a team game and one person can’t win it all by himself.

    I think the HoF is a much better indication of what your playing career was like. You can’t tell me that just because Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson have Super Bowl rings that makes them better than Marino. They were lucky to be on a good team and their sole job was not to mess it up. Marino and Tarkenton had to carry their teams.

    HoF is a much better indication of your success than a ring. Sure, you can show the ring off but being voted into the HoF is the greatest honor.

  46. No one asked SB-winning quarterbacks Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson to star as themselves in Ace Ventura: Pet Detective. That speaks to Dan’s greatness right there.

    “It was all that Dan Marino’s fault, everyone knows that.”

  47. Explain what Barry Sanders did or didn’t do that kept him from winning a SB ring. As an individual, even a QB, there’s only so much you can do in football.

  48. Guess it depends on your perspective. When they talk about all time greats, Marino is mentioned right up there with Montana, Elway, etc., but nobody is going to say Bruschi is one of the all time great LB’s. So, it depends if having a legacy is important. When you think about Marino, you think about the quick release and power in his passes. When you think about Bruschi, we just remember he was a part of those teams that are led by Tom Brady. He’s like an afterthought. It would be best to have both worlds, a Hall of Fame and Superbowl ring.

  49. floratiotime says:
    Who in their right mind would vote for Superbowl ring? A thousand scrubs have them simply by virtue of being on the winning squad.

    Which is correct; way more super rings out there than gold jackets.

  50. There are thousands of players, many of them backups, who have super bowl rings because they were fortunate enough to be on a team that had one or more Hall of Famers. Marino got beat in the super bowl by Joe Montana and his 49ers team that was stocked full of Hall of Famers and pro bowlers.

  51. When you consider several things – the 72 Dolphins bragging about their perfect season (shorter schedule), Shula bashing Belechick, and this – the Dolphins are very hard to like. As a fan, I would always want to hear that a player on my team wants the ring, not the individual accolades. Brady > Marino. Belechick > Shula.

  52. Dan is completely correct saying that. there are people with
    Super Bowl Rings that got them just because they were on the winning team. Some of them did nothing probably in the games that took them there, also the way players are behaving today there are plenty who will get nothing in the end. To get to Canton you have to be special.

  53. “Dan Marino should die of gonorrhea and rot in hell. Would you like a cookie, son? Laces out.”

  54. Ask that same question to Jim Kelly or Thurmon Thomas and they will tell you how they would like to strangle Scott Norwood.

  55. As a Pats fan im going to go with hof. 53 guys get a ring every year while only 4 gets enshrined.

    But its apple and oranges really. One is a team accomplishment, the other an individual achievement.

  56. Lawrence Taylor put up his SB ring up for auction a couple years ago, but kept his HOF jacket.

    That right there tells you which one is more valuable. Don’t buy into the cliche rubbish that it is all about the rings, for players it is not. It is money, HOF, then SB ring in that order.

  57. Anyone ever seen them buy or sell a ball of fame jacket on pawn stars? Plenty of SB rings come and go . Just look up what Michael Irvin did when he got his HOF jacket and what he did while wearing it, not too many stories about dat thang going on with Super Bowl rings!

  58. “Still butthurt huh? Its ok kiddo get it out of your system…”

    But you responded, didn’t you.

  59. Please…

    All the men on the team, every year, are playing to win a Super Bowl championship.

    You can lie all you want to. But that is the truth. And Dan Marino is lying too.

    If Marino had beaten the 49ers in his lone super bowl apperance, that ring would have meant more to him then his gold jacket.

    It’s amazing how losers always tell that lie.

    Remember,

    every year, you ….play….the….game…to ……..win….a….championship. Not a gold jacket. Guys stay in the game at the end of their careers to pursue a championship. Not a gold jacket.

  60. People forget…That the Dolphins and Marino were nailed, for circumventing the coach-QB communication system. BIG TIME cheating..Jimmy Johnson no fool, as he took audibles away from Marino, as he wasn’t sharp enough to read defenses.

    Marino could not process info quickly enough, and made himself great in the regular season…alot like Peyton does.

    Never mind Marino not being caliber of Montana/Brady…i’d take Rothlisberger over Marino any day.

    Congrats on bein g in the Hall…but as a qB w/great numbers, but nothing to show for it.

  61. Please…

    All the men on the team, every year, are playing to win a Super Bowl championship.

    You can lie all you want to. But that is the truth. And Dan Marino is lying too.

    If Marino had beaten the 49ers in his lone super bowl apperance, that ring would have meant more to him then his gold jacket.

    It’s amazing how losers always tell that lie.

    Remember,

    every year, you ….play….the….game…to ……..win….a….championship. Not a gold jacket. Guys stay in the game at the end of their careers to pursue a championship. Not a gold jacket.

    ———————————————————-

    Nonsense, players in general play for money first and foremost. You are incredibly naive if you think all guys are just playing to “win”.

  62. Okay Dan, let’s talk about your playoff stats and there is a significant sample size.

    8 wins and 10 losses
    32 touchdowns and 24 interceptions

    from coldhardfootball facts:

    Simply put, Marino did not elevate his game in the playoffs. In fact, his played dropped off quite noticeably. Marino has a career regular season passer rating of 86.4. His postseason passer rating was just 77.1. He played in 18 playoff games, and won just eight of them.

    In his one Super Bowl appearance (a 38-16 loss to the 49ers in Super Bowl XIX), Marino completed 29 of 50 passes for 318 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs. It adds up to a weak 66.9 passer rating. One wonders what might have happened had his two Super Bowl drives that ended in interceptions ended in touchdowns instead.

    Remember that 1998 Miami team that had the best defense in football? It made the playoffs, but Marino failed to hold up his end of the bargain. The season ended in the second round of the playoffs, with Marino coughing up two interceptions against Denver and posting a passer rating of just 65.5. Yet another opportunity for Marino to win a Super Bowl tossed into the hands of an opposing defender.

    In fact, Marino threw at least one interception in 13 of his 18 career playoff games. He threw two or more interceptions 10 times. The Dolphins went just 1-9 in those 10 Marino multi-interception playoff games.

  63. Just like the guy who says “I wouldn’t want to be anything other than a….[what ever he does for a living]’ Yeah, right. I wouldn’t want to win a superbowl, I’d rather be a mechanic… LOL!

    Nice try Dan. you didn’t have the balls to pull it all together. Remember how many times your threw the ball into someone’s back because the rush was on? Now you know why that was not only a s i s s y decision, but a bad one too!

  64. I don’t know if the readers are being easily led by the author or their love/respect of the player in the article or both. It’s worth noting the author of the Teddy B article agreed with his illogical nonsense that an individual player has more control over his team winning than individual performance. What?

    uglydingo
    Apr 25, 2015, 10:48 AM EDT
    Dan Marino was a very good QB in his day, but to be honest, he’s not in Brady’s league. Dan had a great arm but as a total QB, Tom Brady has high intelligence and is a winner when it counts.
    Some may disagree but they can also kiss the rings..

    I AGREE !!!!!

    Dan was too busy eating at the Capital Grill
    In providence and living the life the night before his games in foxboro
    Brady on the other hand was in bed by 8

  65. You play to win championships, and that is how I judge you. I don’t care how good you are most of the time, if you can’t do it when it counts you can’t really do it at all. A surgeon could have the best hands in the business but if he can’t keep his patients alive it doesn’t matter how smooth his procedures are.

  66. If you are in the HOF you worked hard enough thru out your career to put your team in contention most of the time. It is a team sport & most of the time 1 guy can’t carry a team.

  67. Some of these comments are ridiculous – but that’s to be expected.

    Marino wanted a SB in the worst kind of way. Was extremely competitive.

    However, he had no defense. In one of his greatest games he put up 45 points and threw for over 400 yards and 6 TDs. But, lost, 51-45 to the Jets. Yeah, what a failure Marino was that day – he did a terrible job playing cornerback.

    And, while we’re at it, how about those great first round draft choices Dan made – like Erik Kumerow, Sammie Smith, John Bosa, Jackie Shipp, Randal Hill, Billy Milner, John Avery, etc. – all household names, of course.

    The idea that Bradshaw did not have talent around him that Marino did is crazy. One of the all-time great teams. Marino would have won 4 easily with that team. Bradshaw just had dominating OL (with HOF center). A HOF RB, and two HOF WR’s. Then, arguably the greatest defensive team of all-time with, what? Five HOFers?

    Give that 80’s Dolphins team the Steelers Defense in their prime – and the decade is over.

    But, as far as the ring vs HOF is concerned – the post above is right. I’d rather have a HOF career than the career of Trent Dilfer or Jeff Hosteler.

  68. Team success is more important than individual achievements.

    ————————————————————

    It is cute how some people really think NFL players think like that.

  69. floratiotime says:
    Apr 25, 2015 10:44 AM
    Who in their right mind would vote for Superbowl ring? A thousand scrubs have them simply by virtue of being on the winning squad.

    It’s called a “championship” dummy. It’s why he played the game. Or why he’s supposed to play the game. Ask Elway or Montana if they’d trade.

  70. BringBackTheFlex says:
    Apr 25, 2015 11:30 AM
    onlysane1intheroom says:

    Think about how Marino is perceived because he never won a SB. Now think about how his Dolphin teammates aren’t perceived in the same way.
    ======================

    But that’s completely in the fans control. You can be led by the media into believing that everything revolves around the QB, when it is SO clear that isn’t the case, or you can choose to say “That’s BS”.

    It’s lazy thinking to just point at an obviously great QB like Marino and say he’s not as good as Trent Dilfer because Dilfer won a SB and Marino didn’t.

    ———————–

    Dude, totally not saying that at all. QBs are judged, like it or not, by Super Bowls. Brady has won 4, but people talk about his 2 losses. Peyton and all his one and dones. QBs are held to a different standard.

  71. Unfortunately for Marino he will be known for what’s missing as much as what her did. Sounds a little like Gaylord Focker and the 11th place ribbon, not what you want to be know for

  72. Three points:

    The QB handles the ball on 99.9% of offensive plays. It’s a different standard for QB’s. People remember the QBs that won the Superbowl, and most likely not the 2nd string special teams backups that won as well.

    The HOF is a made-up media award. How do you easily ‘win’ a place in the HOF? You can’t. You gotta hope the fans, I mean sports writers, vote for you. If you’re gonna judge someone solely on their career accomplishments, then Pete Rose would be a HOFer…but there’s politics and bias involved. If someone deserves to be in the HOF, then they should be let in immediately. What’s up with these limits? You’re either a HOFer, or you’re not. What kind of HOFer are you if it took you 10 years to get in? What does it say about the fans/media voting for you if you deserve to be a HOFer and it takes you 10 years to get in? The whole thing is a joke.

    I think if you ask any active QB who hasn’t won a Superbowl if he’d rather be a HOFer or lead his team to a Superbowl win then the answer would be obvious. If I’m a coach and winning the Superbowl isn’t the most important thing to my QB then I will cut him.

  73. The HOF is about individual accomplishments. SB wins are all about team. In the end, the team means very little. It’s all about legacy, and Marino has one.

  74. and lol at all the “pappy’s boys” spouting their good ole boy diatribe “zomg team acheevments are the best!”

    If you’d rather have Trent Dilfer’s career over Marino’s then lol at you

  75. The Hall of Fame is for a player’s complete body of work. There are a lot of one-hit wonders with Super Bowl rings. See also Larry Brown of the Dallas Cowboys.

    If I had to choose, I’d go with the Hall of Fame honor because it speaks volumes, not just one lucky season~or game as it is for many including Brown.

    The Butler dude had one heck of an interception for New England in February’s Super Bowl against the Seahawks and has a ring. But will he be a Hall of Famer that will be enshrined forever? Probably not.

    Charles Barkley and Karl Malone were two of the best power forwards ever in the NBA. Neither has a ring. Does that negate their bodies of work? No. So, people should stop making it a benchmark for a QB to be great is to win a Super Bowl. Trent Dilfer and Joe Flacco have a SB ring and neither will be HOFamers.

    And what if the QB had a sensational game and the RB fumbled in the last seconds and his team loses? Is that because of the QB? No! So stop it!

    Dan Marino is right. HOF over Super Bowl ring. You can lose or sell the ring. The HOF is enshrinement forever.

  76. If Marino was great, then it’s pathetic that Don Shula couldn’t get the job done.

  77. and lol at all the “pappy’s boys” spouting their good ole boy diatribe “zomg team acheevments are the best!”

    If you’d rather have Trent Dilfer’s career over Marino’s then lol at you

    ————————————————————

    lol, they are full of it…..no one is taking a SB ring over the HOF.

  78. This is just a reporter looking to create a story. Truth is, Marino deserves not to have to answer these ridiculous questions. I’m sure his “No” was a lot more about “Don’t bug me” than his official answer on the subject. Some players need the Super Bowl to get to Canton; Marino didn’t. It doesn’t mean he wasn’t trying to win one.

    I dislike the Dolphins, but I enjoyed watching Marino play – it’s a dumb question. And I’d watch Marino and Shannon Sharpe any day over Tony Gonzalez and Bart Scott!

  79. it’s easy for Bruschi to talk about Super Bowl rings being a more accomplished feat since as a player he is not a HOF type player. a good player on championship teams.

  80. “Dude, totally not saying that at all. QBs are judged, like it or not, by Super Bowls. Brady has won 4, but people talk about his 2 losses. Peyton and all his one and dones. QBs are held to a different standard.”

    ———————

    My point is, people just say that (not necessarily you). I don’t hold QBs to a different standard. They rely on so much around them in order to succeed. Yes, they are the most important piece, but not 10 times more important. That’s what the pay scale is, but it’s flawed. If the Center doesn’t snap right, the OL doesn’t block right, the backs don’t pickup the blitz, the receiver runs the wrong route or drops the pass… then NO QB is going to succeed.

    You, me, we all pass the buck on the “standard for QBs” like we have no control over really looking at the facts. Dilfer and Roethlisberger both won SBs with top FIVE defenses. Heck, Roethlisberger won with TWENTY TWO rating. That’s HORRIBLE. But people will still say “HE” won a SB, when in fact, his team really bailed him out.

    It’s just lazy thinking.

  81. Yes the HoF is about individual stats, but it’s also a popularity contest. So many great, worthy individual players have missed the HoF because they weren’t likeable enough or had problems off the field. The HoF can be pretty subjective. Meanwhile you can’t deny it when a great player leads his team to a SB championship. The facts are right there in front of you for all the world to see.

  82. Some may criticize Marino for preferring an individual award over a team accomplishment — but he’s being honest in response to a question directed his way.

    And though, lots of bit players and even non-player contributors associated with a team, only the best of the very best players (and some non-players) are earn enshrinement. Earn is the cardinal word there.

    And just as some players can coattail their way to Super Bowl rings off the strengths of their teammates — truly elite players can find that failing to ever win a Super Bowl was largely a byproduct of the failings of their teammates.

  83. The way I see it, the HOF is personal achievement, Super Bowl is a team achievement. When you get into the HOF there is no doubt you are a great player. In the Super Bowl, you can be a great player, play a great game, and have a coach call a pass into the teeth of a defense instead of a safe play and lose the game.

  84. I’ll tell you some facts. Joe Montana played for SF for 12 years in a starting capacity. In TEN of those years he had a top ten defense, in yards or points or both. In ALL TEN of those years he went to the playoffs. In the TWO years he did NOT have a top ten defense he did not go to the playoffs, and in fact had a losing record.

    I’m just sick of the blah-blah–QBs-are-the-only-player-that-matters crapola.

  85. I remember toward the end of Aikman’s career, after he lost Irvin, Novacek, Harper, he’d put the ball right between the numbers on some no-name receiver. The guy would drop it. Tim and time again you;d watch ca critical 3rd down pass – right in the hands- and be dropped.

    It takes far more than a top QB to win a game.

  86. Some may criticize Marino for preferring an individual award over a team accomplishment — but he’s being honest in response to a question directed his way.

    And though, lots of bit players and even non-player contributors associated with a team can manage to be a part of a Super Bowl winning team, only the best of the very best players (and some non-players) are earn enshrinement. Earn is the cardinal word there.

    And just as some players can coattail their way to Super Bowl rings off the strengths of their teammates — truly elite players can find that failing to ever win a Super Bowl was largely a byproduct of the failings of their teammates.

  87. Marino is the most selfish player, ever.
    Marino’s attributes (personality wise) are what NFL teams try to avoid. The typical “me first” guy.

    Sulk away. The question must’ve ruffled his soft feathers lol

  88. Winning a Super Bowl is a great achievement, but the HoF trumps any championship.

    Of course Bruschi would say something like that. He has 3 rings, yet isn’t close to being a Hall of Fame level player.

  89. uglydingo says:
    Apr 25, 2015 10:48 AM
    Dan Marino was a very good QB in his day, but to be honest, he’s not in Brady’s league. Dan had a great arm but as a total QB, Tom Brady has high intelligence and is a winner when it counts.
    Some may disagree but they can also kiss the rings..
    ————–

    Learn to beat the Giants first.

    And what’s that in those rings? Diamonds or asterisks?

  90. The call to the hall is an individual award.
    Record book stats is another.
    Superbowl is a team accomplishment
    Big Dan was never a “team” guy.
    He would chew out his receivers constantly. Every incompletion was a receiver error.
    In Big Dan’s mind he never threw a bad pass. Enjoy the hall Mr. (never won a thing)

  91. What a daft question it will be like choosing between the wife or your golf clubs if the house was on fire. You would try and save both of course the clubs and then the wife

  92. Both rings and jackets partly depend on the quality of team-mates and quality of opposition. Because its a team game! – which is why I hate “individual” stats and awards such as the HoF – which is also partly a popularity contest too.

    And rings are different for career-starter QBs than for say a safety. For a carer-starter QB or a Head Coach to never win the biggest game has got to mean as much as HoF-inducing “individual” stats.

    Of course Marino had to say what he said at an HoF event, and his stats will forever mark him as one of the finest passers ever. But I’m sure deep down he hates being known as one of the greatest to never win the big one, and he, Shula, Jimmy Johnson, and every Miami fan would trade a bunch of his “individual” stats for a few more team championships in the record books.

  93. Marino never had a running back, defense, or receivers. And don’t bring up Duper and Clayton who played a couple of years when he first came in the league. Marino was a one man show. Teams knew who they had to stop and still could t stop him.

    “Joe Montana was the product of a system, Dan Marino was the system” –Bill Walsh

  94. Which is why people who measure greatness solely off sb wins sounds like a bunch of idiots. Winning a sb takes 53 men and a great coaching staff, not just the qb. Dan is the greatest qb talent of all time and there is nobody close, but to say he isn’t the greatest because of no sb is childish. Players like dilfer, Brad Johnson, Jim McMahon and Russell Wilson have a sb ring just for being on a great team and did not contribute as much as others on the team.

  95. ironyisadeadscene says:
    Apr 25, 2015 10:46 AM

    I would say that too if I wasn’t able to win a super bowl

    ____

    I’m going to guess you have neither, nor say the Jr. High Achievement trophy, nor the blue ribbon from the milking contest from the Des Moines Register.

    There are many way to measure greatness. Problem with ring count is that it assumes that individual players are responsible for 60 mins of achievement, or even the season that got you there. Too often, it’s just a mix of good people and good events.

    Marino stands easily as one of the best ever. And few outside of Foxborough think Brady is the actual better QB – he just had better teams, and according to analysis the better schedules lol. The worth of a QB is individual stats in addition to how he elevates team play. Marino did both, he just had more to overcome, I believe. But damn he was fun to watch. You go Dan.

  96. tom brady may not make HOF. MLB cheaters aren’t getting in. NFL cheaters (brady) may not get in. NE worshippers are sweatin this ted wells report bigtime.

  97. I hate how some people act like Brady only has the rings and not the stats. Did they just forget about the ’07 season? Brady broke nearly every QB record that year. Not to mention Brady’s been breaking records regularly since then. So yes, he’s better then Dan Marino ever was because he has the stats AND the rings.

  98. Or sometimes your coach is enough of an idiot and calls a crossing pattern from the 1 yard line with the best power back in the league just to cute.

    And just like that, in the blink of an eye your team goes from 3x loser to a 4x **** champion

  99. uglydingo says:
    Apr 25, 2015 10:48 AM
    Dan Marino was a very good QB in his day, but to be honest, he’s not in Brady’s league. Dan had a great arm but as a total QB, Tom Brady has high intelligence and is a winner when it counts.
    Some may disagree but they can also kiss the rings..
    ————–

    Learn to beat the Giants first.

    And what’s that in those rings? Diamonds or asterisks?

    Learn to beat the Giants
    Don’t blame Brady for getting killed by his offensive line and he still drove down field score TD and Harrison blew it
    And welker dropping pass in his hands
    if they did their jobs Brady would be 6-0

  100. Don’t blame Brady for getting killed by his offensive line and he still drove down field score TD and Harrison blew it
    And welker dropping pass in his hands
    if they did their jobs Brady would be 6-0
    ————————–

    Why not? Everyone blames Romo when his OL used to have him running for his life from the snap, or the coach freezes his own kicker, or the defense can’t stop anyone.

    I think what you are saying is, a QB doesn’t win by himself. Thank you. That’s what I’ve been saying all along.

  101. Really hate this rings vs HOF argument.

    It’s not just winning a ring, it’s how you contribute to the team. I you were just a long for the ride, then yes you have no argument vs a player with greater stats. But if a player with the greater stats faulters in the game on a regular basis but a player with slightly worse stats continually comes up big in the championship games and plays a significant role in the victory you can certainly make an argument for the player with worse individual stats being the better player..

    Also another pet peeve of mine, when ppl say rings are a team accomplishment so we should just look at stats(especially with QBs)

    Great stats are in most cases a product of a team as well. Peyton Manning for example, great QB no question, but does he end up with all these passing records without the great offensive weapons he’s had around him throughout his career?

  102. I would say hall of fame because like a lot of people said here……so many scrubs have Super Bowl rings. Also, there are so many factors that go into winning a Super Bowl and you as a player don’t always have control over that. The HOF means you did everything you could as a player.

  103. Everyone on the wining Super Bowl team gets a ring that doesn’t make them all great football players and deserve Hall of Fame status. Hall of Fame status is a bigger accomplishment. Of course Bruschi is going to take the side of rings… he has no shot of being inducted into the Hall of Fame. In their prime would you take Trent Dilfer over Dan Marino?

  104. a072455 says:
    Apr 25, 2015 11:28 AM

    … Tom on the other hand will never be close to Dan’s individual stars, …

    do you remember who broke Dan’s 48 TD season record?

    Brady isn’t primarily known for his stats but the Pats score a ton of points every year with him at QB

  105. Only the mediocre players like Bruschi who lucked out on being with a good team and who would be unknowns otherwise would say the super bowl is a bigger accomplishment than making the hall of fame. Those who have a clue realize the hall of fame means your entire career was great rather than your team was good for that year they won.

    People can talk about how the super bowl is the thing they play for but nobody other than sports writers and some internet fans who take sports writers as gospel really gives a damn who won a ring years later.

  106. Didn’t mean to infer that Kelly won a Super Bowl , but he did play in four straight and was a superior leader, and QB to Danny Boy, did nothing with better talent than most in the AFC folded in big games sorta like Peyton does. Takes the credit when they win blames the teammates when they lose.

  107. I still have nightmares about the ’83 draft. We pick just before the Fins and take a center, decedent 3x pro bowler but not a HOF. Knowing the Raiders of the 80’s & early 90’s, Marino would have had the best of both worlds.

  108. If I had to choose between a career like trent dilfer who won a ring or be recognized as one of the greatest ever? I would choose Hall of fame. Plenty of mediocre talent have rings, they’re often found in pawn shops. But being a member of the greatest amongst the greats means more than any single game accomplishment.

  109. We all recognize Dan to be better than Terry Bradshaw and Eli Manning but their multiple superbowl winning qbs. That tells you that the career means more than a game regardless of the magnitude.

  110. Learn to beat the Giants first.

    We need them to make the playoffs a little more often for that to be possible.

  111. The Super Bowl ring is a TEAM ring. I can’t blame Marino on this one. He was always a great QB. He just didn’t have enough talent put around him and he didn’t benefit from the rules that many of these new QBs do.

  112. It’s subjective. If that’s how he feels that’s how he feels. Pretty soon though it’s going to be more about the relationships ones built with the media more than accomplishment. I believe Chris Carter getting in after so long and always missing out was more about his working on ESPN and his television colleagues campaigning for him. But that’s just my opinion.

  113. Trent Dilfer 34-7
    Brad Johnson 48-21
    Jim McMahon 46-10
    Mark Rypien 37-24
    Doug Williams 45-10
    Phil Simms 39-20
    Guy who were average on great teams spanked great QB on average teams

  114. How many of you clowns actually saw him play? Ask the 85 Bears what they think of him. Yeah, I know Brady would have put 6 TD’s on what may be the best defense ever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dont forget he played in a division that saw the Bills and Pats both make Super Bowl appearances during his career. Lets consider, the Bills made four straight Super Bowls. They destroyed everyone in the AFC. A team with several HOF’s and even more Pro Bowlers. Marino didnt miss SB25 because of his AFC performance, but because the Dolphins defense, led by pathetic DC Tom Olividotti, got torched by Thurman Thomas and the screen pass. The Dolphins offense had no relief in the running game because Bobby Humphreys barely made it to the game on time. Those Bills teams only rival the Dolphins of the 70’s as the best teams the AFC East has ever seen. In contrast, the best thing that has ever happened to the Pats is being in the same division with the cupcakes in Miami, Buffalo, and New York.

  115. Wins and losses (and therefore rings) are a team statistic. The Hall of Fame is more guided by individual achievements.

    Even so, some still think that a Super Bowl ring somehow should get you in the HOF. If you’re an all-time great who was always on mediocre teams, you shouldn’t be penalized the HOF because of it.

  116. Bottom line – Marino will be remembered forever. I had to Google Tedy Bruschi to find out what team he played for.

  117. Marino was a fantastic QB, terrible team player. Marino wouldn’t adjust his personal performance to improve the team.

    Don Shula, won multiple Super Bowls as HC. Jimmy Johnson,won multiple Super Bowls as HC. Neither man could win with Marino, because Marino was a selfish player. He wanted the personal stats, he wasn’t a team first guy. Marino was fun to watch as he could zip the ball, but you are judged by championships ,especially as a QB. It’s just the way it is in football.

  118. Every year 53 players plus coaches, staff, Practice Squad players, waterboys, secerataries, whoever is associated with the winning team, get Superbowl Rings.

    Every year 5 (Five) of the greatest NFL players of All-Time get inducted into the Hall Of Fame.

    Which is the greater accomplishment?

  119. Marino was the best QB I ever saw play the game when he was at his absolute best. His arm and quick release were unparalleled. During the 80’s it appeared as if he was launching the football from a laser gun when you saw him live. I’ve been to over a thousand NFL games and I’ve never seen anything like a Marino to Duper 65 yard strike down the right sideline. It appeared as if Marino was throwing darts and the ball was a laser and Duper could have put his hands out and catch it with his eyes closed. A thing of beauty! He may not have been the best of Alltime but when he was at his best no one was better in my opinion.

  120. There is no “me” in team

    Except the m

    and the e

    But aside from that there’s no “me” in team 😉

    (Though I’m 100% on board with Marino on this. Even the Hall of Fame is still a joint accomplishment as his receivers and OLine had to do their job. I’m sure Marino would be the first to admit this too.)

  121. Dan Marino was one of the best to play the position during his era in the NFL. Marino put up great personal stats. But Marino will never get into the room of All Time great QBs ,you have to have the stats during your era as well as Lombardi’s. Nobody will tell you Marino wasn’t a heck of a talent, but he is more in line with Fouts than Unitas, Montana, Brady,Elway and Staubach

    Marino had Don Shula as his Head Coach, who many considered one of the best coaches ever and he was able to win Lombardi’s with other QBs. He also had Jimmy Johnson and Jimmy won at all levels, he couldn’t win with Marino as QB. Marino has to accept that he wasn’t one of he greatest,because he didn’t win a ring. He does deserve to be in the HOF for all of his personal accomplishments while playing QB in the NFL.

  122. drudema says:
    Apr 25, 2015 10:54 AM
    The Hall of Fame is a great individual achievement, but the greatest achievement a person can reach in a team sport is a championship.
    ===========

    So Tom Crabtree has a greater achievement on his resume than Dan Marino?

    I think the fact unless you’re from Green Bay you will almost undoubtedly have to Google “Tom Crabtree” pretty much answers that question.

  123. Would you rather be Tito Jackson , Ringo Starr, and Kelly Rowland. (SuperBowl), or Michael Jackson, Paul mc, and Beyoncé (HOF)??

    It’s all about your legacy, how you’ll be remembered years later. I remember many runs by Barry Sanders and Eric Dickerson , but fail to recall who was the starting RB when Brady won his first Super Bowl. And how many people outside of NY know what RB’s played in their SB victory vs. NE? I think Brandon Jacobs was one, but can’t remember who shared the backfield with him. Well, whoever it was also had a SB ring.

  124. Did those knee braces get golden tape for holding that man up in the latter part of his career? I swear those last years he looked like the bionic man out on the field.

  125. Here’s the ultimate answer..

    Ask the hall of famers who have both. They’ll tell you its about the ring.

    There are idiots who think that old players are just hanging around at the end of their careers just for money. You can go ask Frank Gore, Steve Smith and Andre Johnson why they are still trying to hang on. The first thing they’ll tell you is they are still pursuing the ring. Buff said.

  126. Let’s put it this way. If every player on the Dolphin team was as good at their position as Dan Marino, they would have won 10 plus SBs. Ultimately, you can only do your job as good as you can, and hope everyone else does theirs.

  127. Marino was the original stat padder. Like Manning they both cared more about personal acheivements than winning.
    The team payed him the ultimate compliment in the last game he played by LOSING BY 50 POINTS.

  128. the selection to the HOF is, in the words of a forgotton ’60s movie, a ‘far out religious bag’, and sorry, bruschi was anything but a ‘marginal linebacker’. i’ll take the ring…yes, more people have them, but we’re talking about dan marino here.

  129. “You can go ask Frank Gore, Steve Smith and Andre Johnson why they are still trying to hang on. The first thing they’ll tell you is they are still pursuing the ring. Buff said.”

    Ask Emmitt Smith, he’ll tell you he went to the Cards because he still wanted to play football. Ask Joe Montana, he’ll tell you the same thing.

    If all it was about is getting a SB ring, every year 50+ guys would retire.

  130. unkleruckus says:
    Apr 26, 2015 12:57 AM

    Would you rather be Tito Jackson , Ringo Starr, and Kelly Rowland. (SuperBowl), or Michael Jackson, Paul mc, and Beyoncé (HOF)??
    vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

    someone has awful taste

  131. I was never a Dolphins fan but I appreciated Dan for the great qb that he was. He never played with a team with the personnel of the 49 ers or the Steelers.Football is the ultimate TEAM sport and that is why we all love it. Teams knew that all Dan had was the Marks Brothers and they still couldn’t stop them. Going in the HOF is an ever greater achievement if you played on marginal teams. It shows that you did all you could for your team in the face of advesity. Joe Thomas is going in the Hall, and he is not going to win a super bowl.

  132. Would any of you out there be interested in buying this bridge I have for sale? It crosses the Mississippi River and if you work it right you can charge tolls to anyone crossing it. I’ll be happy to sell you the deed.

  133. Ask Trent Dilfer the same question and he’ll gladly take a HOF career. One good game vs. 100 great games? no-brainder, HOF every time

  134. Dolphins uniforms….. you poor fans. At least you aren’t purple though 🙂

  135. Another perfectly acceptable answer, Dan:

    “Yes. If it meant our entire team also got Super Bowl rings, then yes, I would give up the HoF for that ring.”

    Just sayin’…

  136. Okay Dan, let’s talk about your playoff stats and there is a significant sample size.

    8 wins and 10 losses
    32 touchdowns and 24 interceptions

    from coldhardfootball facts:

    Simply put, Marino did not elevate his game in the playoffs. In fact, his played dropped off quite noticeably. Marino has a career regular season passer rating of 86.4. His postseason passer rating was just 77.1. He played in 18 playoff games, and won just eight of them.

    the only reason most of those teams were in the playoffs was dan. he took scrubs to the playoff with no running game .how many hall of famers did he play with?

  137. Marino never had a running back, defense, or receivers. And don’t bring up Duper and Clayton who played a couple of years when he first came in the league. Marino was a one man show. Teams knew who they had to stop and still could t stop him.

    “Joe Montana was the product of a system, Dan Marino was the system” –Bill Walsh

    12 4

    bingo the folks who did not see dan in his prime do not understand how great he was.

  138. Dan Marino was one of the best to play the position during his era in the NFL. Marino put up great personal stats. But Marino will never get into the room of All Time great QBs ,you have to have the stats during your era as well as Lombardi’s. Nobody will tell you Marino wasn’t a heck of a talent, but he is more in line with Fouts than Unitas, Montana, Brady,Elway and Staubach

    Marino had Don Shula as his Head Coach, who many considered one of the best coaches ever and he was able to win Lombardi’s with other QBs. He also had Jimmy Johnson and Jimmy won at all levels, he couldn’t win with Marino as QB. Marino has to accept that he wasn’t one of he greatest,because he didn’t win a ring. He does deserve to be in the HOF for all of his personal accomplishments while playing QB in the NFL.

    what the heck is this garbage,the dolphins front office sucked they never put complete teams around him and jimmy j did not draft well either in miami.shula had how many hof and all pros on those super bowl teams? a bunch.fouts would have won a ring too if he had a defense
    i have been watching pro football since 1970 dan marino is the best pure passer i have seen

  139. So be reflective of yourself. When you retire, would you like to have had 1) a fantastic loooong career where everyone in your industry looked at you with highest regard for the duration or 2) one heck of a day where everything worked out great for you.

  140. Just make a championship ring a prerequisite for getting into the Hall. Problem solved.

  141. to me it’s apples and oranges. Marino was a great regular season QB. That was enough to get him into the HOF. He did very little in the postseason as better teams confined him. I would call him a selfish player and I don’t think he could have handled a more balanced offense that may have led to better postseason finishes. To me, he is like some of the great NBA scorers that you didn’t find on many title teams mainly because said player took too much of the ball. Did the Dolphins not surround him with a better running game or was that Marino as a roadblock. There are many levels of players in the HOF. Marino, to me, is not on the winner’s shelf. He could sling it with the best of them, but he was a me first stat guy. Those that watched him should remember he had no qualms about yelling at teammates not helping to pad his stats. Marino answering ‘no’ is just par for the course he set long ago.

  142. Those that watched him should remember he had no qualms about yelling at teammates not helping to pad his stats.

    ===========================
    You seriously think he was yelling at guys who dropped the ball or ran the wrong pattern because they didn’t help pad his stats? Brady yells at guys who drop the ball or run the wrong pattern. Aikman used to. The difference is, Marino was yelling at guys who couldn’t do any better.

  143. Marino > Manning any day of the week.

    The roughness of Marino’s era and his numbers during those times prove it.

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