Seahawks scrutinized for drafting Frank Clark despite domestic violence accusation

The Seahawks used their first pick in this year’s draft on Frank Clark, a defensive end who was kicked off the team at Michigan after he was accused of domestic violence. Now they’re facing some scrutiny in Seattle.

The Seattle Times has a report out today noting that while the Seahawks claim they conducted a thorough investigation before deciding to pick Clark, the two witnesses who called police to report the incident say they never heard from the Seahawks.

Kristie Colie, who was staying in the hotel room next to one being used by Clark and his then-girlfriend, says she saw a woman who “was definitely beat up.”

“She looked unconscious,’’ Colie said. “She looked like she was knocked out, and then she started to move slowly.’’

The police report describes the victim as saying Clark punched her in the face. It also quotes the victim’s brothers as saying they witnessed Clark punch her. According to the brothers, when the victim tried to defend herself, Clark “grabbed her by the throat, picked her up off the ground and slammed her to the ground while also landing on top of her.’’

The domestic violence incident wasn’t Clark’s first run-in with the law. In 2012 he was convicted of a felony charge of second-degree home invasion. On the domestic violence charge, prosecutors allowed Clark to plead guilty to a reduced charge of persistent disorderly conduct and get off with a $250 fine.

124 responses to “Seahawks scrutinized for drafting Frank Clark despite domestic violence accusation

  1. Most NFL teams have some amount of hypocrisy. Just because they have a good team does not mean the Seahawks are immune from making questionable decisions.
    Sorry to disappoint their vocal fanbase, but John Schneider and Pete Carroll are as slimy as any other front office in the NFL.

  2. Every team has players with criminal pasts. It’s always been that way. The NFL didn’t get where it is by letting the public vette the players for them.

    I guess my initial reaction is that the Seahawks probably didn’t contact the witnesses because they may have already had their written statements.

    I’m not defending the player or his actions, I’m just saying that we all know how the NFL works. There is no moral high ground to occupy. Guys will be given a chance until they screw up so bad that they ruin it for themselves because there’s far too much money at stake to only allow choirboys into the league.

  3. I don’t see what the big deal is here, he is the perfect Seahawk, will fit in just fine there.

    Seahawks are known for having big hitters on defense.

    Would you expect any less from an organization who signed a green beret long snapper who never visited the team, and after they just extended the long snapper on the team already, just so they could get good publicity only to cut him after it all dies down.

    Classless organization

    #bradjohnson

  4. Of course the PED hawks would draft this guy. Look how they acted after they lost to the GOAT TOM BRADY and the pats.

  5. I call him “Frank the Tank”. A little reference to the movie Old School and how out of control Will Ferrells character was.

    Go Hawks!

  6. JS and PC’s arrogance is beginning to show big time. trade away the all pro center for a one dimensional (albeit a good one dimension ) TE. Disregard round one picks, but if they reach for scum like Irvin than their probably better off.

    Don’t look now but their depth has been steadily eroding as they have given big money to their core guys. Now they go back on their work as it relates to DV and draft this punk ha ha good luck, and dont forget to pay Russell his 20+ million a year because he is so good…… just might want to take that goal line slant out of the playbook going forward.

    Hawks 9-7 3rd place in the NFC west thing year remember only one team that lost the Superbowl in the past 10 years even made the playoffs the next year (hint its y0ur rival)

  7. The police already investigated and found no reason to charge him with domestic violence. That implies the witnesses weren’t credible. I have no problem with them drafting the guy as long as there are no further incidents. Maybe getting what they think is a top 10 player at #63 is why the Seahawks win so much.

  8. They should be criticized for tyler lockett over jaelon strong….why strive for “mediocrity” at wr?

    See what i did there? I used one of Shermans favorite terms while describing a wide out.

  9. What a dirt bag. This is getting more sicking by the day. It’s all about winning and there are some team who could care less about a players off field issues. Dallas, Seattle, San Francisco and Minnesota to name a few.

  10. From the witness description the girl is lucky to be alive. Taking a punch to the face, then picked up by the throat and body slammed by someone this big, strong and enraged. A guy who would do this to ANY woman has mental health issues.

  11. My question is – what the hell is Frank Clark doing alive if her brothers were there as this was going on?

    I don’t care how big he is. If you see anyone place their hands on your sister, you better go to war for her.

  12. Pitchfork Nation.

    How come we don’t see articles like this about other hires in Fortune 500 companies?

    _______________________________

    Because I don’t wear a jersey supporting Fortune 500 Companies.

  13. In this day and age of the NFL, you can bet every team is extremely sensitive to DV issues… there’s no way the Seahawks didn’t research this to ninth degree in order to find out what really happened.

    So they didn’t talk to the witnesses… we’ve all heard about the witness statements already, so do you need to hear it again directly?

    This guy didn’t have Hardy money to make it go away… if Clark wasn’t charged, then something didn’t add up. You don’t let a guy go if there’s credible testimony who actually the incident.

  14. Her brothers were little kids….15 and 8. You mean to tell me you would have stepped up to Clark in the same situation??? Yeah right. They were probably frozen with fear, as u or anyone that age would be.

  15. Your whining is like birds chirping in the morning.

    First you all complain about women being allowed to recklessly accuse guys without implication if proven wrong. But now you want a guy who wasn’t even charged to be banned from the NFL.

    Might I respectfully suggest you are all so vehemently jealous of the best organization in the NFL that your vision is clouded and you’re simply embarrassing yourselves?

    As for the Hawks falling apart, we’ve heard that for three years, yet we just keep winning.

    But I’m sure with the addition of JG and a revamped and vastly improved return game with Lockett we’ll get worse.

  16. Don’t know why I’m shocked at the vitriol on these comments, but I’m always amazed at how people can be judge and jury when they’ve read a couple headlines and MAYBE an actual article.

  17. As a 49er fan, I feel for all of the silly “Keep it Classy” comments that will troll this board. Until you have the facts, please resist judgement. We live in a society where a lot of people would rather sue you to make a buck instead of go and earn it. The frivolous litigation in our country is embarrassing. I’m by no means saying this guy is innocent or has a good character but if you weren’t there and he hasn’t been proven guilty in a court of law, please hold judgement. This guy does not seem like a winner by any means but all teams have players with questionable morals on them.. ALL teams..

  18. Hmm. I just find it funny that the Cowboys were considered scums for signing Hardy and the SeaHawks and the Bucs are revered because they did not want to associate themselves with such criminal. Now if we can play revisionist history for a quick moment, and see that the Bucs have selected a 1st overall player, that many believe was guilty of something, and the local LEO’s did all they could to cover up the accusations. Along with the SeaHawks who drafted a player with just as much baggage as any player. That goes to show the double standard that many people live by and many organizations will still draft these players if they provide immediate production to their business.

  19. BTW, one last thing…

    I… LOVE… the fact that you all hate the Seahawks so much!!! Nobody gives a rip about the dregs of the league… all you’re doing is proving the fact that Hawks have been one of the most successful teams in NFL over the past three years.

    As long as you keep hatin’, that means I’m having a great time with my team… I’ll worry when you stop with the BS. So, I should thank you 🙂

  20. dallasdominates says:
    May 5, 2015 9:31 AM

    Hmm. I just find it funny that the Cowboys were considered scums for signing Hardy and the SeaHawks and the Bucs are revered because they did not want to associate themselves with such criminal. Now if we can play revisionist history for a quick moment, and see that the Bucs have selected a 1st overall player, that many believe was guilty of something, and the local LEO’s did all they could to cover up the accusations. Along with the SeaHawks who drafted a player with just as much baggage as any player. That goes to show the double standard that many people live by and many organizations will still draft these players if they provide immediate production to their business.

    Hardy was CHARGED and CONVICTED of domestic violence.

    You may suspect all you want but neither Clark nor Winston were even charged.

    Does that help or are you privy to inside information on all three cases that you’d like to share with the rest of the class?

  21. I’m guessing everyone here that is critiquing the pick also chose to not watch the fight between Mayweather and Manny and also critisized their friends and family who watched the fight because why would you support an athlete who has multiple accounts of domestic violence. #Hypocrites

  22. He accepted a plea deal because his gf didn’t want to press charges. This guy should not be allowed in the nfl, plain and simple. This is definitely a desperate attempt to keep depth on their team, but the cost is too steep. This teams reputation is headed down fast. I suppose if Russell Wilson wants to keep his good-hearted Christian facade going he’ll have to speak up about it.

  23. This butt-wipe ought to be in jail, not playing football in the NFL.

  24. I am happy that NFL teams are not tracking down potential victims. How uncomfortable would that be for the potential victims.
    In this case, SEA talked with law enforcement and the counselors who had talked to the potential victim.

  25. What do you expect? Tom Cable was too sleezy for the Raiders but Seadderal had no problem with the dirtbag.

  26. They’ll give him the proper guidance and sage advice in the same manner they did with Jerramy Stevens. And I’m sure Russell will pray for him. And cry.

  27. Tom Cable and Clark sound like two peas in a pod. Now that I think about it, if you have an admitted woman abuser on the coaching staff this shouldn’t be a shock.

  28. I think the NFL has crossed a dangerous line with the AP and Ray Rice shebacles…

    In one hand the NFL is in Damage Control Mode because public sentiment is beginning to voice their displeasure with some bad apples in the league – bad apples who make a ton of money.

    But in the other hand, how many businesses perform background checks or discipline/fire their employees for legal issues that occur outside the workplace? Sure, those businesses exist but how many of them act on it?

    This is not a precedent or the norm across America. And the NFL chose to go into uncharted territory.

    Now that we’ve shifted from a culture of scrutinizing the Patriots for sports-related infractions to a culture of scrutinizing the Ravens for protecting a disgusting, violent crime of one of its players we have no benchmark/measuring stick to compare things to.

    All thanks to Roger Goodell’s method of making stuff up as he goes along. He’s all talk and when he attempts to back it up he bumbles and fumbles his way through it.

    That’s not leadership. That’s just the typical corporate CEO mentality.

    And when his butt gets canned someday he’ll probably get a severance package worth more than your lifetime income and my lifetime income combined.

    Voice your opinions and let the NFL hear what you dislike – after all, we’re the ones funding all of this mess.

  29. Seattle fans, get some perspective here – NOBODY following the NFL had EVER heard of you folks until a few years ago.

    #Fact

    #Truth

  30. This is laughable. The Seahawks drafted him, so they have to live with the outcome. I suspect an exhaustive examination of all the teams, will find varying degrees of criminality from top to bottom.

    This faux outrage against certain players is incredibly hypocritical. There are owners and managers who have have run-ins with the legal system, but the players get scrutinized unmercifully, even after the legal process has run it’s course.

    I think it has something to do with an insatiable American blood-lust to see other people suffer. Anything goes as long as it ain’t us. We demand more from our football players than we do from corporate leaders or Congress.

  31. BUT ESPN IS NEVER QUESTIONED FOR THE RAY LEWIS HIRE, PROMOTION & FACT HE MAKES NO SENSE WHEN HE SPEAKS???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

  32. Arizona Cardinals GM, Steve Keim, summed up the NFL mentality on “character concerns”.

    “If Hannibal Lector ran a 4.3, we’d say he has an eating disorder ”
    .

  33. Undoubtedly, Schneider got caught talking out of both sides of his mouth.
    I wouldn’t be surprised that team wh picked bad boys now thought they had suficient cover once the Cowboys picked up Hardy by writing an onerous contract that takes into account the player’s history.. But then, I’ve been saying for years that the teams should look for defensive players in prisons.

  34. A classless organization continues to make idiotic personnel decisions based on talent alone. Maybe they should play the San Quentin losers.

  35. Where are all those Seahawk Kool-Aid drinkers now who are always talking about how the Seahawks are the classiest team in the league. You guys need to stop smoking some of that recently legalized stuff and get a clue. They are just a low-class as the Cowboys.

  36. realitycheckbaby says:
    May 5, 2015 9:38 AM

    Hardy was CHARGED and CONVICTED of domestic violence.

    You may suspect all you want but neither Clark nor Winston were even charged.

    Does that help or are you privy to inside information on all three cases that you’d like to share with the rest of the class?

    What I am privy too is that fact that Hardy’s crimes were so vicious and terrible that his sentences was 18 month probation for his terrible crime. Now explain to me what justice system would allow a criminal who did such terrible things to serve probation for a misdemeanor, and then drop the charges when the witness would not appear in court? Don’t you think with such accusations and evidence they would continue with the trial with or without Ms. Holder….. That is the only information that I am privy to that is relevant. Horrible scumbag abuser, 18 month of probation………….. your thoughts?

  37. I… LOVE… the fact that you all hate the Seahawks so much!!! Nobody gives a rip about the dregs of the league… all you’re doing is proving the fact that Hawks have been one of the most successful teams in NFL over the past three years.

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    The Seahawks record proves they’ve been one of the best teams in the NFL the past couple of years…I don’t see anyone debating that here.

    If you think people complaining about your team is what makes its successful, you’re really not very bright…

  38. I’ve a lot more faith in the Seahawks doing an investigation on a player than I do the NFL itself.

  39. What another travesty by a jurisdiction. To allow him to get off with a $250 fine and disorderly conduct? You don’t name the jurisdiction that this occurred in but you should. It should be bombarded with questions on how a large football player can hit a woman and get a $250 violation.
    Disgusting!!!!

    What kind of due diligence did the Seahawks do if one of the witnesses was not contacted. I bet they made a few calls to Mr. Clarke’s high school coach and got a stirling account of how a great person he is?

    Seahawks he pleaded guilty don’t draft him

  40. icallitlikeiseeit67 says:

    JS and PC’s arrogance is beginning to show big time. trade away the all pro center for a one dimensional (albeit a good one dimension ) TE. Disregard round one picks, but if they reach for scum like Irvin than their probably better off.
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    42 of 48 guys they drafted from 2010-2014 are still in the league. 29 out of the last 30 are still in the league, and the one guy who isn’t had an undiscovered heart condition. They’ve won more games than any other team over the last 3 years, made 2 Super Bowl appearances with one victory and they blew the 2nd game they had all but on a fluke play.

    I’d say their arrogance is justified.
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    Don’t look now but their depth has been steadily eroding as they have given big money to their core guys. Now they go back on their work as it relates to DV and draft this punk ha ha good luck, and dont forget to pay Russell his 20+ million a year because he is so good…… just might want to take that goal line slant out of the playbook going forward.
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    They had 19 guys on IR including 5 starters and lost 2 more starters during the Super Bowl, and still should have won the game. This year, they get all 19 back including Brandon Mebane, Jordan Hill and Cassius Marsh, all of whom will terrorize you. Depth is the least of their problems. The Seahawks have the best 53 man roster in the NFL and will have it again this year, and there’s no way they can have as bad luck on the injury front.

    Be afraid. Be very afraid.
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    Hawks 9-7 3rd place in the NFC west thing year remember only one team that lost the Superbowl in the past 10 years even made the playoffs the next year (hint its y0ur rival)
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    13-3 and not even breathing hard. The Super Bowl is a foregone conclusion unless Wilson gets hurt, and he’s never missed a play in his career.

    Not. One. Play.

    Good luck with your dreams. You’ll need them to hang on to after the steamrolling your team is going to get this year.

  41. chalkruz1989 says:
    May 5, 2015 9:14 AM
    My question is – what the hell is Frank Clark doing alive if her brothers were there as this was going on?

    I don’t care how big he is. If you see anyone place their hands on your sister, you better go to war for her.

    Very typical of troller’s comments. Really dug in and researched did you. Or just read the headlines and fire off!

    The brothers were totters, so I think they made the right choice not to attack Frank.

  42. I don’t WANT classy losers, I want unapologetic savages that win. This is professional football, not a pillow fight at a slumber party, no matter how much the Santa Clara 49ers soft style tries to convince you otherwise.

  43. Th we story is fishy. He punched her in the face? No broken bones? I’m fairly certain if he hit me I’d get bones broke. He fell on her? Sure he did. He’s what, 320 lbs? She’d be hurt bad if he fell on her. He might be a jerk, and abusive, but I sense some level of exaggeration.

  44. RegisHawk says:
    May 5, 2015 10:15 AM
    I laugh at the hypocrite 49er and Dolphin trolls.
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    That is fine. The truth hurts though, doesn’t it?

  45. This whole domestic violence issue is out of control. It has nothing to do with what type of football player you are. And suspensions for something that the legal system should decide is idiotic.

    Way to bring un-needed NEGATIVE attention to the NFL Goodell. There has been nothing but Negative publicity to the NFL since this clown got named COMMISH.

    I dont think this would have been such a big deal if the NFL has their punishments in order. Smoke marijuana gets you 4 games. Riiiigght. Makes perfect sense to no one except idiot Goodell and these corrupt owners.

    This clown has zero clue on how to make sound good decisions

  46. Marshawn ran a woman over and took off then was arrested with guns and drugs in a car. Now we scruntinze the Seahawks front office? They traded for him years ago and now Skittles Candy geared towards kids has him as a spokesman.

    What I am saying is you will love him if he is good.

  47. Top ten talent?? hahaha…he graded out to 5th round, was drafted too high even without the baggage. Prepare to be disappointed trolls.

  48. First, I haven’t looked into the DV allegations enough to comment on them directly one way or the other.

    With that being said, why is anyone surprised? Talent trumps all in the NFL, every team is looking for an edge. Teams will say one thing and do another when it comes down to winning in the vast majority of circumstances.
    If a hot shot, young gun QB on the rise like Luck ( just using his name as an example) suddenly came up on camera pulling a Ray Rice and was cut from his team, GM’s would be lined up to sign him.

    What it comes down to is if the NFL was really, really serious about the DV issue, they would make a zero tolerance policy that if you are found legally guilty of DV, you are banned for life from the NFL. It still wouldn’t stop it from happening, but the people who did it would be out. But that will never happen so it’s a moot point.

  49. I have no idea about the facts of his case, however if true, he very well may do it again. Seattle may need to keep a eye on him. And it may be true that he will be a good citizen, time will tell. Bill

  50. realitycheckbaby says:
    May 5, 2015 9:38 AM
    dallasdominates says:
    May 5, 2015 9:31 AM

    Hmm. I just find it funny that the Cowboys were considered scums for signing Hardy and the SeaHawks and the Bucs are revered because they did not want to associate themselves with such criminal. Now if we can play revisionist history for a quick moment, and see that the Bucs have selected a 1st overall player, that many believe was guilty of something, and the local LEO’s did all they could to cover up the accusations. Along with the SeaHawks who drafted a player with just as much baggage as any player. That goes to show the double standard that many people live by and many organizations will still draft these players if they provide immediate production to their business.

    Hardy was CHARGED and CONVICTED of domestic violence.

    You may suspect all you want but neither Clark nor Winston were even charged.

    Does that help or are you privy to inside information on all three cases that you’d like to share with the rest of the class?

    ______________________________

    Yes, Hardy was charged and convited, in a BENCH TRIAL.

    The job of the Judge was to look at the information given and decide if there was enough evidence to warrant going to trial. Hardy’s next step was to be tried by a jury of his peers.

    I don’t think 10 hours is enough for a trial do you? That was how long the bench trial was.

  51. I love how all you saints in here are so outraged about something no one but you clowns care about.

    Unless it has something to do with cheating during games, performance enhancing drugs that gives someone an unfair advantage during the competitio , i dont give a rats behind what these guys do in the personal lives, and neither do you “saints” in this forum.

    Since when have professional sports and athletes turned into church and citizens of the year awards.

    Its disgusting how all you “saints” and the media act so all high n mighty. Gimme a break. This is entertainmemt not church

  52. Terrible choice by Seattle. Not only do they not the help on that side of the ball, guy is obviously scum. You could have a OL player with no baggage, I don’t understand the selection on any level.

  53. LoCoSu@%s says:
    May 5, 2015 11:03 AM
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    That is fine. The truth hurts though, doesn’t it?
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    Do you profess to know the truth of this situation? I’ve seen any number of people here who base their bs on hearsay, you look to be yet another one. I’ve also seen them ignore or disregard facts when it made their teams look bad.

    If I were John Schneider, I would have avoided the victim as well. There is nothing good that could come out of interviewing her. No matter what, anything which occurred after that even would have been misinterpreted. I hear he did speak to the police and counselors who *did* interview her (makes you wonder if Jerruh spoke to Hardy’s gf), so he has their viewpoint of her testimony of events. I also trust Scneider a ton more than any of your GMs, each of whom has shown little more than a passing interest in integrity.

    But hey, don’t let that stop you…as I understand it, you’ve got nothing else going on.

  54. If an athlete plays well on the field, fans of the team will disregard almost anything else. That’s just the way it is.

  55. Sheesh, do you Hawks fans suppose the reason the 49ers fans are chirping now is because you have made the same chirps about their roster the last year?

  56. I don’t get why everyone has all of a sudden been jumping on this domestic violence bandwagon when it’s been going on for years, it seems like everyone is just in this for oh look at me I’m against domestic violence. Should have did something about it a long time ago if you wanted to be important and lead the change, not just follow everyone else. I’m not saying it’s not a good thing that the issue has gotten attention, but should have been a lot sooner.

  57. Except that their problem players were recidivists. Ray McDonald had more than one DV incident. Aldon Smith had more than one DUI. They are repeat offenders who are welcomed back with open arms. The only prior thing this guy has is apparently stealing a laptop a couple years beforehand.

    Yeah, I can see their moral high-ground…smh

  58. joey49er says:
    May 5, 2015 9:30 AM
    Class less organization. Go patriots
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    The great and mighty patriots took a chance on a tight end
    in the 2010 draft: / Round: 4 / Pick: 113. How that work out?
    NFL teams take chances with these types of individuals.

  59. Please, sport fans are the biggest hypocrites in the world. If all teams decided not to take a chance on questionable morals, there wouldn’t be very many players to field a team.

  60. JaminJake says:
    May 5, 2015 11:41 AM
    realitycheckbaby says:
    May 5, 2015 9:38 AM
    dallasdominates says:
    May 5, 2015 9:31 AM

    Hmm. I just find it funny that the Cowboys were considered scums for signing Hardy and the SeaHawks and the Bucs are revered because they did not want to associate themselves with such criminal. Now if we can play revisionist history for a quick moment, and see that the Bucs have selected a 1st overall player, that many believe was guilty of something, and the local LEO’s did all they could to cover up the accusations. Along with the SeaHawks who drafted a player with just as much baggage as any player. That goes to show the double standard that many people live by and many organizations will still draft these players if they provide immediate production to their business.

    Hardy was CHARGED and CONVICTED of domestic violence.

    You may suspect all you want but neither Clark nor Winston were even charged.

    Does that help or are you privy to inside information on all three cases that you’d like to share with the rest of the class?

    ______________________________

    Yes, Hardy was charged and convited, in a BENCH TRIAL.

    The job of the Judge was to look at the information given and decide if there was enough evidence to warrant going to trial. Hardy’s next step was to be tried by a jury of his peers.

    I don’t think 10 hours is enough for a trial do you? That was how long the bench trial was.

    ________________________________________

    Court cases could potentially last from 5 minutes to 5 years depending on the relevancy and validity of the case. Could it be possible that MAYBE just MAYBE Ms. Holder was lying? Don’t you think if someone has done harm to you it would be easier to go through with the trial and then in a civil court sue for pain and suffering, or did she just take the first dollar and went running to a hole. The only point I was trying to make is that Greg Hardy is not the first and he won’t be the last player to come through the league with some sort of off-field issue or accusations. So instead of crucifying a team when they sign one of these players, KNOW that all organizations weigh the pros and cons of a player when considering signing/drafting. The Seahawks and the Bucs are no different today, for what they have done, then the Cowboys, for what they did.

  61. Whatever happened to Schneider’s personal integrity? He had to know this pick would generate questions and his first response was that ‘we did a thorough investigation’.

    And then it comes out that the Seahawks didn’t talk to the victim, or her other family members in the room. They didn’t talk to the women in the next room who filed police reports and saw the victim not moving on the floor. And they seemingly didn’t look at the police photos of the victim’s welts on her face and neck. That was some “investigation” your team did Mr. Schneider. The ‘win at any cost’ attitude and apparently bogus background investigations aren’t flattering to your organization.

  62. I’m always amazed at all the liberal do-gooders who all of a sudden have something to comment about, DV being the current go around. Talk about a bunch of bandwagoners! Those complaining are likely not Seattle fans anyway, just people who’s pathetic lives compel them to whine.

    Seattle vetted the guy to their satisfaction and selected him – end of story.
    GO SEAHAWKS!

  63. pleasestopthesnow says:
    May 5, 2015 11:42 AM
    I love how all you saints in here are so outraged about something no one but you clowns care about.

    Unless it has something to do with cheating during games, performance enhancing drugs that gives someone an unfair advantage during the competitio , i dont give a rats behind what these guys do in the personal lives, and neither do you “saints” in this forum.

    Since when have professional sports and athletes turned into church and citizens of the year awards.

    Its disgusting how all you “saints” and the media act so all high n mighty. Gimme a break. This is entertainmemt not church

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    I agree with a lot of what you said, but the “saints” things is absurd.

    I, like most others, am no “saint.”

    I did some things in my teens and 20’s as a stupid kid that I am not proud of, and
    I have done some things in my adult life I prob wish I could take a mulligan on.

    I have never put my hands on a women though, and I never well. If that makes me a saint, call me Mother Theresa.

  64. As a Seahawks fan. I am surprised John/Pete made this selection. I can assure you they wouldn’t hesitate to release him if it doesn’t workout.

  65. comments on this article are very much different from the comments on the Bruce Miller article…coincidence? I think not

  66. As a Patriots fan I say Seahawks should pick the best player regardless of off the field issues. The Patriots certainly have with a good amount of success. Aqib Talib, Blount, Hernandez are just few examples. The motto is win at any cost. Do you think Belichick would have passed on Frank Clark if he thought Frank would help his team win another championship? He wouldn’t have given it a second thought. That’s how you build a dynasty. Let teams with morals enjoy their 9-7, 8-8 seasons.

  67. “Whatever happened to Schneider’s personal integrity?”

    It’s a good question, but you’re putting the wrong spin on it when you ask.

  68. Their effective PED program will straighten him up, no rePETE offenses.. You “resign” before you actually get caught. Biggest smoke screen in the league..

  69. Don’t worry Seattle. You’re not the Dallas Cowboys. This will be buried by the end of the day.

  70. As a Seahawk fan, all of this is pretty awesome. 3 years ago, nobody cared what the Seahawks did one way or the other. Now, anytime you mention the Seahawks for any reason at all, there’s 100+ comments. Spew all the hate you want, the fact that you comment at all proves that the Seahawks are in your heads. It’s lonely at the top.

  71. I think a lot of you folks misunderstand how our justice system works.

    If there’s a violent crime like assault, the victim can’t “decide” not to press charges.

    Let me give you an example.

    Let’s say your girlfriend is beating you senseless and someone in the trailer park hears you crying and calls the cops. The cops arrive and see your bloody face and her bloody hands and arrest her for suspected domestic violence. If no one else saw what happened and you refuse to testify, the prosecutor has no case. It wasn’t that you decided not to press charges, just that without your help, he can’t “press” the charges.

    Instead let’s say she threw you through the screen and continued the assault by the back wheel of your house and the neighbors saw it. Then it doesn’t matter what you want, the charges will be filed because they have witnesses and can “press” the charges.

    Obviously in this case, with her brother and someone in the next hotel room supposedly witnessing the altercation, yet no charges being filed, the prosecutor had his doubts about what exactly happened and/or the veracity of the witness and story.

    Help?

  72. Funny how the Seattle Fans make fun of the 49ers with their “Above Reproach” comments. Here it is the Seattle GM says nobody that lays their hands on a woman unwantedly has a place on this team. Then they go out and do “an extensive” check on this losers past and by extensive they mean they asked Frank if he did it…newsflash, nobody in prison is guilty just ask them.

  73. Seahawks, hopefully, did a review well enough so that they can defend the move…….My concern is that they seemed to reach for him and could have gotten him later and used the pick to address the O-Line with some of the other players still available at that point.

    Due to his not being convicted of DV, I am not an advocate of any prohibition of his getting to play in the NFL. I hope that Clark takes this opportunity to keep his life in proper order. It is up to him to do so. Good luck to him.

  74. …well, at least he should calm down once he gets his required injections…

  75. I’m a huge Hawks fan – long time season ticket holder and generally very impressed by what John and Pete have done over the years. But this was a really disappointing pick. I read the Seattle Times article this morning and it cemented my opinion that this guy seriously beat that girl. John even stated that he doesn’t think he hit her, yet there is ample evidence of serious violence, and yet they never even interviewed the two witnesses that were there right after it happened. Schneider can’t have it both ways, saying he would never draft a player involved in domestic violence and then conveniently claim to they didn’t believe it ever happened without interviewing the witnesses.

  76. Any fan that doesn’t believe their team has it’s fair share of players of questionable character (to put it mildly) is either naive or just plain stupid.

  77. As a Hawk fan I am disappointed with the pick. Someone mentioned Schneider talking out of both sides of his mouth and that appears to be the case here. Every team has their choir boy Wilson type on down to guys on roster with checkered pasts.
    Not a huge Doug Baldwin or Richard Sherman fan right now cause of their immature acts in the SBowl when Baldwin scored. They make a big catch or play and quickly will be partly pardoned but Frank Clark I am having a problem wrapping my support around that pick.I hope they know what they are doing and PS/PC deserve all the questioning of this pick they are getting. SMH.
    Tyler Lockette talk anyone? That’s more like it Pete/John…….

  78. Stop complaining and acting like you all know everything.Hernandez had red flags all over the place,more than this guy and Pat’s picked him anyway.You just never know in these situations.Apparently the Hawks organization saw something they really liked with this guy None of us have ever been a coach or manager of an NFL team,so just chill and see how he works out.I can remember a time when people were slamming them for picking Wilson.You just never know. Been a Hawks fan for over 20 years.

  79. Seems John forgot everything he learned in Green Bay. Stay classy Seattle. You have to love a guy that will smack around a woman in front of her two little brothers. 8-12 I think it was. Nice.

  80. Schneider can’t have it both ways, saying he would never draft a player involved in domestic violence and then conveniently claim to they didn’t believe it ever happened without interviewing the witnesses.

    What if the prosecutor and cops told them they didn’t think it happened?

    Were they supposed to say “Gosh, we’re better investigators than you. Let us ask.”

  81. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2072008-frank-clark-police-report.html

    I found this in 45 seconds, I got from a very exclusive, hard to use search engine called bing. If you can read this and tell me he didn’t hit that woman, please try me, I’d love to hear it.
    There were 2 witnesses in the room when it happened, plus the employees saw her laying on the bed, barely conscious. The only reason he got a reduced sentence is because she didn’t want to press charges. If she had, he would be in prison right now.

  82. Wow. The same people in here bashing the Niners for their domestic abuse issues are now defending this guy because he’s on the Seahawks.

    So much class.

  83. A prosecutor also can decide to pursue a case even if the victim tells the police or the prosecutor that he does not want to press charges. Television and Hollywood movies sometimes create the impression that the victim decides whether to press charges and, therefore, whether the offender will be subject to criminal prosecution. This is not accurate. In a case of domestic violence, for instance, even if the victim tells the police or the prosecutor that he or she does not want to press charges, the prosecutor can still decide to proceed without the victim’s cooperation.

    I found this in about 30 seconds with an exclusive, hard to find search engine called google.

    If you read this and then tell me the victim somehow “declined to press charges” I’d love to hear it because, as I stated earlier, IT’S NOT UP TO THE VICTIM, ESPECIALLY IF THERE ARE OTHER WITNESSES.

    That may be how it is on Law and Order, but not in the real world.

    The police report tells what the witnesses said. The prosecutor must investigate the merits of what the witnesses said and whether what they said is true and can be proven.

    The prosecutor obviously decided either it wasn’t true or couldn’t be proven despite these witnesses.

    Does that help???

  84. Yep, the only evidence they had was the victim and her juvenile brothers. It would be a hard conviction with no evidence. However, if she would cooperate its an easy conviction. Does that help?

  85. I know people on PFT don’t like hearing from Hawks fans and would rather throw out ridiculous statements they believe we would say. For the record, I’m a Seahawks fan and when Pete and John came in they said they wouldn’t draft this type of person. There was quite a few other people they could have drafted, maybe an o-line guy? No reason to draft this guy, should have left it to the Cowboys, now we are mixed in with those teams.

  86. Brian Hoyer seems like a great husband and citizen, too bad he sucks as a QB.

    Choirboys dont win Super Bowls, talent with hard work, and great coaching win Super Bowls.

    This guy is a beast on the field. Thats all that should matter as long as he doesnt pull a Hernandez.

  87. Yep, the only evidence they had was the victim and her juvenile brothers. It would be a hard conviction with no evidence. However, if she would cooperate its an easy conviction. Does that help?

    So three witnesses plus the woman in the room next to them…

    Yep, she apparently exercised her non-existent power to “not press charges” and the prosecutor, who apparently doesn’t know as much about the case as your bing searches found, I’m sure was angry he wasn’t allowed to get his guaranteed conviction with 3+ witnesses.

    Or he investigated and found the evidence and witnesses questionable, which is, I’m sure, much less likely.

    Tired of sounding silly or a lifetime of getting used to it?

  88. I can’t believe what I’m reading from people here.
    First, they are two stories here. On one hand is the account from two witnesses. The charge has already been reduced and punishment has been given out.
    But the big story is the failure of the Seahawks to investigate the two witnessess, which I believe is either terribly incompetent or arrogant. No excuses here. Someone within the Seahawks organization dropped the ball here and should be fired.

  89. Well, lots of convincing trolling, but I think I’ll still put my trust in Schneider. I don’t think he based his decision on the usual standard other teams use (if he can play, we’ll overlook it). I suspect he seriously believes that, at worst, Clark struck out in retaliation after being attacked – a stupid move, but not domestic violence. We’ll find out as the years progress.

    Note: While we’ve been arguing here, yet another 49er was charged…quel surprise.

  90. What were the witnesses going to tell Seattle investigators that witnesses didn’t already tell POLICE?

    Question is, if the girl was so injured why wasn’t this player CONVICTED? Head scratching….

  91. “Wow. The same people in here bashing the Niners for their domestic abuse issues are now defending this guy because he’s on the Seahawks.”
    ——-
    FACT: Big difference hater. All of 9er’s players were active players with the 9er’s organization at the time their crimes occurred.

    Nice attempt to make a stretch comparison, but at the end of the day your attempt FAILED.

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