Can Goodell be independent in #DeflateGate punishment?

On Tuesday night, word emerged of the Missouri Supreme Court concluding that Commissioner Roger Goodell is incapable of being a truly neutral arbitrator in cases involving one of the 32 owners who employ him.

Eventually, Goodell will have to make important decisions in a case involving a very influential owner. An owner who publicly, staunchly, and repeatedly defended Goodell when he was under siege for his office’s handling of the Ray Rice case. An owner who is one of only three who determine every year what Goodell does — or doesn’t — earn for his efforts.

Can Roger Goodell be truly neutral and independent when it comes to the punishment that will be imposed on the Patriots and on quarterback Tom Brady? Sure, owner Robert Kraft’s statement indicates in the final paragraph that he’ll accept whatever the consequences are. But every paragraph in the statement before acceptance contained plenty of anger, denial, bargaining, and depression.

Goodell’s statement from Wednesday points out that executive V.P. of football operations “Troy Vincent and his team will consider what steps to take in light of the report, both with respect to possible disciplinary action and to any changes in protocols that are necessary to avoid future incidents of this type.”  Many have interpreted this to mean that Goodell will wash his hands of the matter by deferring to Vincent.

Surely, that won’t happen.  Especially if/when punishment is imposed on quarterback Tom Brady.  Under the labor deal, the Commissioner has final say over the discipline.

Typically, the suspicion is that “The Enforcer” puts his thumb on the scales when it comes to player punishment. With Brady, the suspicion will be that Goodell may be inclined to go easy, given his relationship with Kraft.

Either way, Goodell’s decision will receive extra scrutiny. Which means that the best move could be to appoint someone else to handle it.

Former Commissioner Paul Tagliabue would make the most sense. But after Taglibue’s handling of the Saints bounty scandal in 2012, it’s highly unlikely that Goodell would risk another not-so-subtle rebuke from his predecessor — especially since it seems that one or more people working for Goodell failed to let him know about the issue, possibly due to concerns that Goodell personally would have given the Patriots the warning that they otherwise didn’t receive.

133 responses to “Can Goodell be independent in #DeflateGate punishment?

  1. As good a reason as any to expect a heavy penalty to come down. Everyone would expect it to be appealed anyway, at which point it can go to impartial arbitration.

    I say start the bidding at Death Sentence so when it’s reduced, it will still be appropriate.

  2. Roger Goodell and poop are on the same level in my eyes. The guy is a complete scumbag who will screw this one up, just like he does with every single punishment he has ever handed out.

    Patriots Fans – don’t be worried
    Patriots Haters – be ready to be disappointed

  3. What Goodell needs to do is step away from it entirely. What the league needs is a discipline committee of multiple people that are independent of and free of influence from the Commissioner.

  4. The NFL front office are a federation of sneaky, overpaid, sniveling weasels.

  5. Be interesting to watch because this is a direct hit to the NFL pocketbook. If he’s suspended for a significant chunk of time, that could financially impact the franchise for sure and likely the league to some degree.
    Sean Payton knowingly had cheating going on under his watch and was gone for a season. Brady, it appears, intentionally violated the rules and tainted the integrity of the game. Should he be gone the same length of time or will Roger take the easier way out to protect his relationship with a very influential owner and the cash flow?

  6. So far NFL has handled this well. Those who want to claim that Goodell has botched this investigation would not know what accountability is if it sat on their face.

  7. Is there solid proof Brady is guilty. Hell no!!! It is a report based on assumptions and not fact. The NFL will try and suspend/fine. The players union will scream loud and an independent arbiter will take one look at this joke of a report and say you have not a leg to stand on Mr. Goodell.

  8. Just the fact that the officials and league personnel purposely kept Goodell out of the loop says it all.

  9. Funny patriot players and fans say Bill Belichick has his hands over everything that happens in the organization until this happens and now everyone claims he didn’t know a thing. I just wonder how long this has been going on.

  10. This is not good for kickoff game. This will probably turn into a loss of draft pick. Cant see them suspending Tom Brady.

  11. rcosborne59 says:
    May 7, 2015 2:31 PM

    Is there solid proof Brady is guilty. Hell no!!! It is a report based on assumptions and not fact. The NFL will try and suspend/fine. The players union will scream loud and an independent arbiter will take one look at this joke of a report and say you have not a leg to stand on Mr. Goodell.

    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
    Nope, CBA has language that says 51% probability is enough to enact punishment, so the “more likely than not” is enough to suspend/fine/what ever according to the agreement.

  12. Proven facts:

    1-Belichick, Brady and the Patriots cheat.

    2-Kraft owns Goodell

    3-Patriot fans are the worst homers in worldwide sports.

  13. Can’t Brady just show up for the opener and claim he didn’t know anything about a suspension?

  14. Man, are Patriot fans gonna blow a gasket when the punishment is handed down. I can’t believe they are disrespecting Jimmy Garoppolo this way. Have you no faith at all in your QB for 2015/2016?

  15. There is a former Patriot about to serve a life sentence on nothing more than circumstantial evidence. Circumstancial evidence MATTERS! It matters a lot! You have to REALLY want to believe Brady is innocent to overlook the preponderance of circumstancial evidence.

    How hard is it to add 2 + 2? Ask yourself, why would these ball boys risk their jobs by knowingly breaking the rules if they hadn’t been instructed to do so by the QB?

    And what about the lying? Brady said in his interview that he didn’t even know the ball attendant’s name, or what his job responsibilities were, yet they found text mssgs between the two six months prior and multiple times after. That is clearly a bold face lie. FYI, innocent people don’t lie for no reason. He also refused to turn over his txt messages. FYI, innocent people don’t refuse to cooperate for no reason.

    Finally, virtually every former and current QB that’s been asked has said it is ridiculous to think that the QB does not know who the ball attendant is, or to think that the QB hasn’t instructed said attendant on precisely how that QB wants the balls prepared.

    I know the league and the media will be loathe to call Tom Brady a cheater. He is beloved by millions. I am a big fan myself. I am a die hard Michigan Wolverines fan so I have been rooting for him longer than most (unless he’s playing my Lions!). But I’m also a realist. I don’t need a smoking gun to see that the overwhelming evidence, circumstancial as it may be, clearly says that Tom Brady purposely set out to cheat the game. It’s simply just a matter of Common Sense!

    One last point. People continue to state (correctly I might add) that it didn’t change the outcome of the game. But the effect on the outcome is irrelevant. The point is that Brady deliberately and purposely set out to cheat! It is the intent that matters. It speaks to his integrity and sportsmanship, and it speaks loudly. Sports fans will forgive many things. But they have proven many times over that the one thing they WILL NOT tolerate is cheating. Unfortunately for all of us who love greatness, Tom’s will forever be tainted. Just as it was for ARod or Bonds or Clemens or Armstrong, so shall it be for Brady.

  16. I’m sure the Pats fans calling for “indisputable proof” are the same ones who thought Hernandez was innocent because there was no video of him pulling the trigger. That’s basically what you’re asking for here — a video of the guy putting needles into the ball, while ignoring the mountains of circumstantial evidence showing that deflation took place under Brady’s watch. The standard created by the NFL is a “preponderance of the evidence” (i.e., more probable than not), so that’s what Wells used. He didn’t need to go up to a higher standard, but even if he did, you end up with the same conclusion: the Patriots are cheaters. It’s not the first time and, given the culture, it probably won’t be the last.

  17. Why there isn’t a discipline commitee is beyond me. The proper goverment model has a judicial branch, seperate from exectutive and legislative, for a reason. Not that the US govt is proper, but the model/structure is at least…

  18. New England fans before the report: Grigson is a liar, the report is not being released because they didn’t find anything. The NFL should award Colts’ draft picks to NE

    New England fans after the report: Ted Wells and the NFL are liars and haters

  19. Goodell should have been suspended himself. He’s dishonest, unethical and incapable. He gets paid 40 mil plus to take the bullets the owners are too gutless to take themselves.

  20. Of course not.

    He’s in Kraft’s pocket.

    The only reason the Wells report even happened was because of the precedent of using him for investigations and the thought they could quell any negative findings.

    But Wells wouldn’t fold and the report was too well known.

    Now Kraft will just pressure Goodell not to take any significant action and to bury the results a’la’ Spygate.

    But we know the truth cheaters.

    We know the truth.

  21. If Brady gets a suspension for more than one year, they lose at least one 1st round pick, Bill gets 6 games, and Kraft pays the maximum fine, I would call that independent. Anything else would be total garbage. A permanent ban for Brady, and Pats fan can start complaining.

    A little bit.

  22. Brady has been cheating since he has been in the league and Belacheat and Ernie Adams have been cheating since they have been together. Everything since Blecheat and Brady have been together is tarnished.

  23. The precedent was set when the Panthers and Vikings were caught on Natl TV tampering with footballs.

    other than that, the RULE is 25K.

  24. Every single one of Kraft’s Super Bowl Titles is tainted by reason his team violates rules and benefits from said violations.

    Is it any wonder that Kraft staunchly defends Goodell? It’s quid pro quo. Kraft benefits greatly by cozying to Goodell —- and of course, Goodell also benefits from a hunky dory relationship with Kraft.

    Who is hurt by it? Football fans of every team but the Patriots, and players and coaches of every team but the Patriots. How appalling is it that Kraft’s buddy Goodell actually BURNED the evidence on Kraft? The Nazis burned evidence of war atrocities. People don’t surreptitiously burn evidence for no good reason.

  25. How about Goodell simply simply follows his own NFL RULEBOOK and doles out the penalties already prescribed for ball tampering?

    25K. No suspensions, no draft picks. By the book. If you want to charge a penalty per ball, then that’s 275K.

    Anything more and he’s breaking his own League’s rules.

  26. Fans of 32 teams hate him.
    Hammering the Patriots gets fans of 31 teams to hate him less.
    The Patriots never had a chance at a fair investigation with the league office. The lies, in addition to the coverups regarding themselves in this process and past indiscretions in trying to set up the Pats (psi overinflated against he Jets). It’s 31 against 1 and objectivity is nonexistent.
    Will wait to see the transcript of the Brady conversation to see what Wells left out.
    Also will hear what McNally eventually says about it.
    Someone will pay him to tell everything he knows.
    He doesn’t like Brady much so he won’t protect him.

  27. No, he is best buddies with their owner. That is why I am still saying it will be a slap on the wrist.

  28. It’s more probable than not that I am more than possibly going to sit for the bar exam at the end of July, and that I’m generally aware that I am likely going to attend a review course before my probability of sitting for the 2-day exam, which based on the likelihood of no evidence to the contrary is going to help me pass the bar.

    Probably.

    I want facts, and I want to see hard evidence that Brady deflated footballs, and additionally, that other qbs don’t touch or prepare their footballs in any way.

  29. Goodell is so far up Kraft’s butt there is no way he can be impartial. Brady needs to go for a year, period. No excuses

  30. To Recap :

    Goodell – innocent
    NFL – innocent
    Officials – innocent
    Kensil – innocent
    Grigson – innocent
    Media – innocent
    Patriots- guilty on all counts
    .

  31. Of course he can’t…

    Look at the people he picked to do the “independent investigation”

    You already know Ted Wells so I give you his partners:

    Lorin L. Reisner
    Successfully represented the National Football League in various litigation matters, including winning an injunction against an ambush marketing campaign that infringed NFL trademarks.

    Brad Karp
    The National Football League in several matters, including its defense and recent settlement of hundreds of lawsuits filed by thousands of former NFL players seeking to hold the League liable for allegedly concealing the risks associated with concussions sustained while playing professional football

    Enough said…

  32. If Brady does get, minimum, 4 game suspension then why have any rules at all in place. If this was a not the shining star of the NFLand his team had been warned after a cheating violation that it would be punished badly if anything happened again you could bet Goodel would hand down a six to 8 game suspension.

    But alas. Brady will probably get one maybe two games and coaches Nd team will be fined and a draft pick,maybe.

    All one or two games is going to show kids this. Hey, it’s ok to cheat and then cheat again. As long as we do not catch you doing it. Then it’s fine. Like someone said, the vast majority of fans are going to be disappointed Goodell does not to go to war with Kraft it’s his buddy

  33. This article assumes that the NFL should be fair and impartial in dishing out discipline. Why? It’s a business and anyone who expects fairness and impartiality from a business is a dreamer. Over the past year commentators have elevated the NFL to an institution akin to a government, with all the expectations we have of a government — fairness in all dealings, evenhandedness, impartiality. Let’s get real. The NFL is a base, amoral cartel that places profits above everything else. It is not interested in being fair and impartial, and only recently became interested in appearing so.

  34. It’s about Brady, the cheater who cheated the NFL, it’s fans, it’s players that don’t cheat, and integrity of the game. Not about Goodell. All focus should be on the cheater, otherwise it’s simply a distraction away from the actions of the cheater Tom Brady! We’d not be here if for years Tom Brady wasn’t cheating the game!!!

  35. how about 1 game for every psi the balls were off?
    As per the wells report balls were at 12.5. Colts balls lost .5 psi. Pats balls list one psi.
    .5 psi off, suspended half a game.

  36. Goodell’s ruling will probably be biased. No matter what happens, someone is going to be upset. According to the rulebook, though, this is the first time Brady has been in trouble.

    So, they should fine him. If Roger goes so far as to suspend him, he will appeal it and a hearing will be held. At that point, it will be out of Roger’s hands. I think Brady would win the appeal, due to the fact that this is NOT A BIG DEAL!

    Roger can play the tough guy, and Brady can still play in the games.

    After Bounty Gate, you would think that Goodell would have learned how to keep things like this private. You know, like Tagliabue did. That is the best way to handle these situations.

  37. Morons: Goodell played the “Spygate” tapes on a continuous loop for hours on end in front of any national media member who wanted to attend. Then destroyed the tapes so teams wouldn’t use it against the pats. At least come w facts if you’re going to be on your faux outrage high horse

  38. If Brady isn’t suspended for at least 12 games, this will be a huge travesty and it will prove that Goodell can’t be independent.

    Cheating NFL team(spygate)…..cheating QB (deflategate). That’s a lot of cheating.

  39. Can Goodell remain independent?

    Is Brady’s suspension is for a year, then the answer is yes.
    Anything less and the answer is NO.

  40. He must be suspended its only fair Rodger
    Any other QB would be suspended a few game at the least get some balls Rodger do what’s right not what Kraft wants

  41. the same guy who destroyed the spygate tapes so nobody could actually see how bad that cheating was.

    yeah right….

  42. Uh, Mr. Kraft, this is Roger…Roger…Roger Goodell. If you have the time right now, Mr. Kraft, sir, would you please tell me what your team’s punishment is gonna be?

  43. You people realize that the fine for under inflated balls is $25,000.00????? How do you think he should get multiple games????

  44. drunkraider says:
    May 7, 2015 3:00 PM
    the same guy who destroyed the spygate tapes so nobody could actually see how bad that cheating was.

    yeah right….

    ————-

    It’s pretty obvious. They were filming the others teams defensive signals in every game (openly). What you would see is that they had everyone’s signals. No one denied that. The purpose of destroying the tapes was to prevent the Patriots from using them. What else would you expect to be on the tapes?

  45. The NFL has painted itself in a corner here. The Bountygate punishments were pretty severe and related to the integrity of the game.

    I can see the Deflategate penalties to maybe be less severe if they argue that there was no player safety issue here.

    However, if I am Jonathan Vilma and Sean Payton I am watching these proceedings quite closely.

  46. This is Xmas for Patriot Haters. Tom Brady likes softer balls. Aaron Rodgers like more inflated balls. Based on the 2nd half of the Colts game and the Super Bowl with fully inflated balls Tom Brady lit it up.

    Hate all you want, New England Patriots 2014 Super Bowl Champions, Tom Brady SB MVP

    And the Patriots will still beat the Steelers with Jimmy Garoppolo at QB

    Fine Brady and he’ll just take it out of petty cash.

  47. everyone who new in the NFL FRONT office should be fine and suspended, for not telling Goodell.

  48. The fans of the NFL are watching closely what Roger Goodell does, as are the New Orleans Saints. There can not be two separate standards of punishment for NFL teams, one for the commissioner’s friends and a different standard for the rest of the league. A precedent has been set…….

  49. What exactly does Goodell do besides assign others to investigate and now to hand out punishments?

  50. Sorry Pats fans, the NFL didn’t launch a full scale investigation into a matter where just a $25K fine was at stake.

  51. Goodell is a joke and has turned this in to WWE pro wrestling fake drama. Its a bunch of billionaires who pay millionaires to play a game! There is no need for an investigation, and reports. If someone told them to make sure the balls the Pats are using are inflated correctly, then they should have warned both teams they would be watching that, and take care of it in game, instead of setting a trap (that worked with the video taping). Tell the rules committee to make a rule setting an under inflated ball to a 15 yard penalty or something, and move on.
    Goodall has turned the game into a joke, and the more people talking about deflategate, the more it is hurting the NFL brand.

  52. How does anyone expect a severe penalty or suspension for a first time offender when the RULE BOOK SAYS TAMPERING W BALLS IS A 25K FINE!! Are you people loony or something

    And comparing circumstantial evidence of a little less air in a football to grown men actively trying to injure star NFL players are just simply idiotic

  53. FoozieGrooler says:
    May 7, 2015 2:58 PM
    Can Goodell remain independent?

    Is Brady’s suspension is for a year, then the answer is yes.
    Anything less and the answer is NO.

    ———

    Steroid abusers get 4 games in the NFL. That’s the same offense that gets you kicked out of the Olympics for cheating. A year suspension for something that is only probable per the report is absurd.

    What’s the suspension for probable use of steroids… There isn’t one. Even though gaining 20 lbs of muscle in 3 months is impossible without steroids. Therefore it’s probable that many guys are using. That’s not enough to suspend someone!

  54. the same guy who destroyed the spygate tapes so nobody could actually see how bad that cheating was.

    yeah right….

    after playing them on a screen behind him in a loop as he handed down the ridiculous punishment to make himself look like a god.

  55. 6ball says:
    May 7, 2015 2:50 PM

    To Recap :

    Goodell – innocent
    NFL – innocent
    Officials – innocent
    Kensil – innocent
    Grigson – innocent
    Media – innocent
    _

    If you believe that, you are very naïve.

  56. tajuara says:
    May 7, 2015 2:41 PM
    New England fans before the report: Grigson is a liar, the report is not being released because they didn’t find anything. The NFL should award Colts’ draft picks to NE

    New England fans after the report: Ted Wells and the NFL are liars and haters
    _________________________________________

    I wish I could give this 1000000000000000000000000000000000 thumbs up!

  57. I do not understand the claims that Goodell is soft on the Patriots. Zero proof of that, even by Wells’ made up standards. Roger blasted the Patriots with ridiculous penalties for Spygate while telling the NY Times that all teams steal signals and all coaches assume it is happening to them. Look it up. So by that standard he is sure to hit them for 5 million and picks while ignoring identical — or worse — examples by other teams, all for an infraction so minor the Patriots played way better once it was changed.

  58. When is Goodell going to rule on Aaron Rodgers admitting that he OVER-INFLATED footballs? Isn’t that against the rules? Or is it all about the Patriots?

  59. inbillwetrust2015 says:
    May 7, 2015 2:25 PM
    will goodell be able to be arbitrary when handing out punishment to grigson for being a coward?
    ____________
    Who is more of a coward?
    A person that catches a team cheating?
    Or a team that constantly cheats?

  60. This is why Goodell is so bad as commissioner. The NFL had been told about this earlier and did nothing because that’s how scared Roger is of negative press. In his mind the risk of a huge scandal down the road is outweighed by the fear of some minor bad press today. Look over all the scandals and that’s the common denominator: He will never take appropriate action ahead of time and just waits for the roof to cave in before acting.

  61. lambeauheap says:
    May 7, 2015 3:16 PM
    How does anyone expect a severe penalty or suspension for a first time offender when the RULE BOOK SAYS TAMPERING W BALLS IS A 25K FINE!! Are you people loony or something

    And comparing circumstantial evidence of a little less air in a football to grown men actively trying to injure star NFL players are just simply idiotic
    ________________________________________
    Your looking under the wrong part of the RULE BOOK. You want the part about not cooperating with an investigation and not submitting evidence falls under being uncooperative.

  62. Just like Barry Bonds, Mark Meguire, and soon to be Alex Rodregez, I don’t think Tom Brady should be elected to the Hall of Fame because all of his accomplishments were the result of cheating.

  63. stealthjunk says: May 7, 2015 2:40 PM

    I’m sure the Pats fans calling for “indisputable proof” are the same ones who thought Hernandez was innocent because there was no video of him pulling the trigger.
    ————————————————-

    All I’m asking for is concrete proof that Brady deflated footballs for 15 years….the same kind of proof that was presented when, for example, Denver cheated the cap. Indisputable proof.

  64. Suspend Brady for 8 games, and his first game back is @ New York Giants. He’ll only get to play 3 home games (Buffalo, Philadelphia, and Tennessee) in the 2nd half of the Patriots schedule.

  65. GOODELL IS A JOKE!!! Nothing is going to happen the the by GOD patsies, the darlings of the NFL. Goodell & Kraft are in bed together buying another super bowl.

  66. Former NY Jets employee who had the Wells report constructed to protect another former Jets employee and the other people involved in frame gate.

    Who also seems to be ignoring that the Vikings and another team were seen on national TV heating balls in front of gas heaters on the sidelines to change ball pressure / characteristics, and that Aaron Rodgers cheerfully confessed that he has the balls set to a pressure outside the specified range and hopes the ball handler can get them by the refs.

    That’s called a double standard and totally invalidates any decision he makes. And any fan of the Vikes, Pack or the their team that I can’t remember which it was playing the Vikes, you better not be saying boo about this because guess what, your team did the same sort of thing.

  67. Independent? You mean like the Three NFL Lawyers who conducted an “Independent investigation”-that kind of independent.

  68. Okay, bear with me here, but let me pose a few questions worth asking:

    Does this require a truly neutral arbitrator? The bottom line is this is an internal company matter for the NFL. If there are any plaintiffs in this, it is the other NFL owners who have a competitive stake in this – who employ Goodell. Any scrutiny of his judgement is theirs.

    Certainly, the NFL is accountable to consumers (i.e the fans) – but that’s a publicity issue, and the court of pubic opinion is already in session. So, officially, who’s the alternative to Goodell? How could anyone outside the NFL have authority to punish an employee of the NFL?

    Personally, I think it’s ridiculous when an elected official steps in. Are we being too legalistic with all this?

  69. “You people realize that the fine for under inflated balls is $25,000.00????? How do you think he should get multiple games????”
    ————————–
    Apparently you don’t like to share the whole story. And it’s not just about the tampering. It’s also about the cover up/lies and refusal to cooperate in the investigation.

    “If a person is found breaking league rules and tampering with the footballs, that person could face up to a $25,000 fine and potentially more discipline.

  70. Make the Pats forfeit against the Jaguars, Jets, Titans, and Dolphins giving them a real schedule for once. The most surprising thing is that the Bills weren’t mentioned. Could they be legit this year?

  71. “Based on the 2nd half of the Colts game and the Super Bowl with fully inflated balls Tom Brady lit it up.”

    Was it raining in the second half? I don’t think so.

  72. Nope, not as long as he’s sharing drinks with Kraft at his private residence. And he also already made a statement by letting this go past the Super Bowl and draft and hoped people would forget. Not in today’s media!

  73. SO funny that the report findings came less than a week after the draft… after the Pats already picked i.e. can’t lose draft picks. Such a sham. Screw these guys. All of ’em.

  74. Brady & BeliCHEAT cheat for over a decade, spit on the integrity of the game, repeat cheating offenders, no suspensions.

    NFL player who doesn’t play in NE drives over the speed limit, 9 game suspension is in order.

    That’s how it works in Roger’s world.

    **** believe it chowds

  75. cobrala2 says:
    May 7, 2015 2:44 PM
    $10 says Goodell triple-stamps a double-stamp.
    ________________________________

    No erasies, touch blue to make it true lol

  76. Nope, CBA has language that says 51% probability is enough to enact punishment, so the “more likely than not” is enough to suspend/fine/what ever according to the agreement.
    ====
    More likely than not that what happened exactly? It’s probably not what you think it is.

  77. bigbits2 says:

    Also will hear what McNally eventually says about it.
    Someone will pay him to tell everything he knows.
    He doesn’t like Brady much so he won’t protect him.

    ***************************************************

    How do you come to this conclusion??? You realize those texts are in a joking manner right? I’m going to guess he warships Brady…

  78. Page 228 of the Wells report – “In sum, the data did not provide a basis for us to determine with absolute certainty whether there was or was not tampering as the analysis of such data ultimately is dependent upon assumptions and information that is not certain.”

  79. Your looking under the wrong part of the RULE BOOK. You want the part about not cooperating with an investigation and not submitting evidence falls under being uncooperative.
    ===
    TB is in a union and covered by the CBA. He doesn’t have to submit anything more than the CBA says he has to.

  80. Give me 1/100 of Goodell’s salary and I will do a better job staying at home.
    This guy is the worst commissioner in the history of sports.

  81. Does this require a truly neutral arbitrator? The bottom line is this is an internal company matter for the NFL. If there are any plaintiffs in this, it is the other NFL owners who have a competitive stake in this – who employ Goodell. Any scrutiny of his judgement is theirs.
    ===
    Yes. It’s not an internal issue at all if GH goes nuts on the punishment. It becomes a union issue.

    Players are part of a union which has a a CBA with the league. If GH follows league rules and the CBA, he’s in the clear. If he does something capricious – like he did with both RR and AP – he loses when a truly neutral arbitrator (US District Courts) rule on the matter.

  82. Was it raining in the second half? I don’t think so.
    ===
    On and off. Read the report…

  83. After the way he handled spygate by destroying the evidence and giving the pats a slap on the wrist Roger shouldn’t have anything to do with this investigation. It’s obvious the pats didn’t learn anything by McDaniels doing spygate in Denver then deflatgate. I say bring back Tags at least he stood up to the owners and shows some balls. The pats should be held to the same regard as the saints and there’s more evidence here.

  84. Independent? LOL. He hired Wells to write a report that fit his forgone conclusion.

    I mean, that scientific firm Wells hired to rebut BB’s analysis has previously been hired to deny that second hand smoke causes cancer. Google it.

    Independent. Sure.

  85. “What the league needs is a discipline committee of multiple people that are independent of and free of influence from the Commissioner.”

    I think a committee of former players, coaches, and refs would be best. Preferably people who have had experience in dealing with their various unions. When dealing with player and team discipline, the commissioner is extremely biased because of all the things the commish is responsible for now-a-days. And I don’t think Tagliabue could be less biased either. It needs to be a committee of people with a variety of bias so that no single bias can rule them all. And they should be people with actual football experience at the NFL level.

  86. Gooddell is gutless. The owners pay this clown 40 million dollars and he can’t do his job. How did he ever get the job? Owners wake up and fire this guy.

  87. “I think we really lucked out with him as commissioner,” Kraft said. “I think Roger, once he assumed this position, really runs the NFL like he owns it and thinks like an owner.”

  88. 8 games and a one million dollar fine for the overrated clown

    And a 5 million dollar fine to the owner who thinks his poop don’t stink and who thinks he alone runs the NFL !

  89. Goodell has improved the overall value of the NFL. Revenue coming into the NFL has never been higher. Yes, there are a lot of things he does I do not agree with but he tends to keep the NFL in the news good or bad. Remember that Phineas T. Barnum said ‘There’s no such thing as bad publicity’. Like Roger or not, he tends to get a lot of publicity.

  90. if payton went, belacheat needs to go to. year suspension. he can’t have it both ways. i know everything and i know nothing.

  91. The Saints got suspended for the entire season for doing something over the top to get a mental edge.

    Did it REALLY help/hurt anything? Not likely.

    But they were still suspended a year.

    Tom was caught cheating for the 2014 regular season and through the PLAYOFFS!

    I doubt they vacate the trophy as they should, but Tom should miss some significant time in 2015.

    At least as many games as he cheated in…

  92. i agree 100%….If Sean Peyton got suspended for a year…so does Bill….without any question..”ignorance is not an excuse” ..or will Goddell be a hypochrite and go easy on his bed buddy Robert Kraft

  93. Off the wall question…

    Why would the NFL run a sting operation against it’s only franchise partner, when it could just as easily have simply changed the policy, upon hearing rumors of deflation, which policy was enforced in the Superbowl, where the officials had sole control of the game balls? In other words, why not just change the policy to what it is now, instead of unnecessarily harming the league’s own reputation? It doesn’t make any sense. Secondly, I’m sure that upon breaking in the new balls, that Brady could feel that there was less pressure (since obviously they are allowed to break in the new balls on the sideline), but how would he know “precisely” whether it was reduced to a point above or below the legal limit? How could he even know that, unless he could stick a needle in it? It seems that it would be more probable that he could *not* know exactly whether it was above or below. The mishandling of this entire situation by Goodell just cries for his ouster. The NFL didn’t need this kind of negative publicity, which was totally unnecessary if it had simply adopted the policy that it has now. Goodell…you’re fired!

  94. Looking back further, it seems like the saints and coach Payton weresuspended for a year because he knew about cheating and stonewalled the investigation. Sounds similar to what Brady did.

    Given all the similarities, I really do think a whole year suspension could happen.

  95. “It’s obvious the pats didn’t learn anything by McDaniels doing spygate in Denver then deflatgate.”

    ***
    Ah yes, there was Josh McDaniel’s own version of Spygate, when he was the Broncos HC.
    In 2010, the NFL determined that prior to a game against the 49ers, Steve Scarnecchia had filmed the 49ers walkthrough and given a the video of it to Josh McDaniels.
    At that time, Steve Scarnecchia was the director of the Broncos video operations, and had previously worked for the Patriots.
    Steve Scarnecchia is also the son of Dante Scarnecchia, who was the OL coach of the Patriots from 2000-2013.

  96. Bridget Moynihan can probably tell us all a bit about Brady’s cheating.

  97. All I’m going to say is this: It’s late in the (deflategate) game. It looks like the Patriots are going down to (legal) defeat. The other side (the NFL office) is patting themselves on the back. There’s just the little matter of Brady getting the “ball” one last time…

  98. Roger Goodell and poop are on the same level in my eyes

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    Haha. Commas save lives, err, eyes in this case. Sorry, had to.

  99. Brady is White, the All-American Whitey…He will unfortunately receive a harsher punishment since all eyes will be on that. (Rice, Hardy were black etc..)

    I know those two criminals beat women, but we live in a world where we have to bow to dumb, liberal politics.

    Does anyone really think that’s cheating? Especially, ESPECIALLY when it’s pretty much common knowledge that this was a sting operation. I’d be totally fine with no punishment to be honest. A deflated ball (s) had NOTHING to do with a Pats Super Bowl Ring!

  100. 1.) Why did it take this long for the report to come out ?
    2.) Cover for the Patriots is a pattern by the league and Kraft is the owner with the most clout. Goodell was protected by Kraft during last years 3 ring fiasco circus/NFL.
    3.)The report is not the final word on this matter. Roger is now judge ,jury and executioner . It is a done deal that any jury or judge would find Tommy and the Patriots GUILTY. Roger is now in a very difficult spot. He will probably go light on Kraft but throw the book at Tommy. If he doesn’t he is not the commissioner , just a shell,an empty suit and a living breathing joke.
    4.)Roger should resign if he is not ready to deal out some frontier justice and Hang Em High !

  101. Tom Brady = Charlie Hustle
    Should see some severe punishment as he manipulated the outcome of a game and for all we know many other games.

  102. What role did the Jets President Mike Kensil have in this sting operation? We’d like to know because we KNOW he’s biased – he’s admitted it

    Speaking of admitting it, if Brady is suspended 4 games for just the “probability” of setting the psi the way he likes it, what about Aaron Rogers who ADMITTED doing so? Will he be out the entire season?

  103. “… especially since it seems that one or more people working for Goodell failed to let him know about the issue, possibly due to concerns that Goodell personally would have given the Patriots the warning that they otherwise didn’t receive.”

    So, instead, his subordinates chose to willfully and knowingly FAIL to preserve the supposed “integrity of the game”. Just as his game officials, as revealed in the same texts that are central to this case, routinely over inflated game balls, to a far greater extent than any of the Pats’ balls were under inflated.

    Surely, the “integrity of the game” demands that Pope Roger first clean his own pigsty.

  104. The problem there is Rodgers has them overfilled *before* the refs check them. If they find them to be too high, they then let the air out of them. Rodgers doesn’t then have his ballboy reinflate them afterwards.

    But I can see your desperate need to obfuscate the issue. Why don’t you try that “What about the 4 Colts balls” thing again? That works well for the lemmings.

  105. smasonsmith says:
    May 7, 2015 3:57 PM
    Your looking under the wrong part of the RULE BOOK. You want the part about not cooperating with an investigation and not submitting evidence falls under being uncooperative.
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    TB is in a union and covered by the CBA. He doesn’t have to submit anything more than the CBA says he has to.
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    No he doesn’t but he is subject to punishment for impeding and investigation which is exactly what hes doing.

  106. Not only was there no proof that Payton knew what Williams was up to (which was what, exactly, since Tagliabue revoked all the player suspensions?), it was Payton who prompted Goodell’s famous ignorance is no excuse line. So the commenters here who say Payton knowingly allowed cheating are wrong on both counts. Read the “50.000 pages” of evidence that turned out to be like 3. Goodell is an egomaniacal charlatan.

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