Ex-Patriot Damien Woody: I believe Tom Brady cheated

AP

Former Patriots center Damien Woody, who snapped the ball to Tom Brady thousands of times and won two Super Bowl rings with him, believes that Brady was behind Deflategate.

Woody engaged in a debate on ESPN today with fellow former Patriot Tedy Bruschi, and although Bruschi defended Brady and said he doesn’t think the Patriots are cheaters, Woody said he agrees with the Ted Wells report, which found that the preponderance of the evidence shows that Brady cheated.

Bruschi asked Woody if he believes Brady told Patriots employees to deflate the footballs the Patriots would use in the AFC Championship Game, and Woody answered, “I do believe that.”

Woody said he read the Deflategate report and found it convincing. Woody added that he doesn’t believe the AFC Championship Game is the first time Brady cheated.

“From the texts of Jim McNally, him labeling himself ‘the Deflator’ tells me that this wasn’t the only time. When you’ve given yourself a label, to me that insinuates that this action has happened multiple times. I’m looking at it as this has happened multiple times, not only this particular situation, but it’s happened in the past before,” Woody said.

Bruschi asked Woody, “You believe Tom Brady would tell someone to do something illegal?” Woody answered, “Yes.”

Woody said he respects Brady as a great player, but also thinks Brady is such a competitor that he’d do anything to find an edge. Even cheat.

289 responses to “Ex-Patriot Damien Woody: I believe Tom Brady cheated

  1. When you know your team cheated and have nothing else to say…. Comment as earlier as possible about how everyone who thinks they cheated are “haters”. Let’s not worry that the pats have done everything in their powers to ignore the integrity of the game for years.

  2. Being a “great competitor” and “cheating” are not the same thing.

  3. One of my biggest problems with ESPN is the absurd homerism of its analysts. When there’s an issue with a specific team, ESPN constantly relies on the analysts who used to play for that team even though they are never fair and unbiased on those issues.

    I don’t want to hear from Bruschi on the Pats’ cheating. I want to hear from someone who can tell the truth. Lord knows they have enough NFL analysts – can we get an unbiased opinion on the set?

  4. My take on Deflategate is that it makes Brady’s Super Bowl performance even MORE impressive.

    Given what we now know, Brady had to know that the hammer was coming down as soon as the Wells report was released. To be able to perform the way he did in the Super Bowl under that kind of pressure, just proves what a clutch performer Brady is.

    My respect for the man continues to grow.

  5. Snowball rolling down hill … it isn’t going to get smaller, no matter how many needles are used.

    Every past Patriots player is going to have a say.

  6. For all you less than informed Pats Fans who keep brining up the “More Likely Than Not” phrase as some sort of defense:

    Personal Injury cases (like this: NFL League, Other Teams & Other Players are injured by Cheating by individual &/or Team) are civil matters, where the legally required Burden of Proof is a “Preponderance of Evidence”. To meet this standard, the “More Likely Than Not” evidentiary burden is applied. It means, that would a jury believe, with a 51% certainty, that the infraction occurred.

    Given the information released & % of commenters who agree that cheating occurred…it appears that the burden would fall on Brady to prove innocence, which he has been unwilling &/or unable to do thus far.

  7. Well, I guess Tom Brady is the ONLY player to EVER do something like this. So let his head roll Badell…. did you see what I did there….

  8. Contrast this statement to Teddy Bruschi who today was interviewed and commented he “cannot accept the Wells report”.

    He came off as a total homer, noting he is good friends with Tom and Krapft and the Pats organization can do no wrong.

    This is the kind of moron who should get out of announcing he’s so clearly unfit and biased.

    Sad, sad week for Pats to lose yet another SB win in the history book.

  9. That was classless by Woody when he was waving all of the Superbowl rings he won after leaving the Pats… right in Bruschi’s face !

  10. Tedy Bruschi, ESPN’s resident Patriot apologist, defended Tom Brady? I’m shocked, shocked …

  11. Here’s a simple question to ask Woody:

    No one handled a ball as much as Brady did, like you…… did YOU ever notice any under-inflated footballs?

    If not, then it must not be that big of a deal.

    If so, you went along with “the culture” that you are now condemning; you’d be a hypocrite.

  12. I don’t believe Brady thought of deflating the ball as illegal. In his head he rationalized it as just getting an edge. Not any different than subbing in eligible receivers as linemen. When a franchise and coaching staff emphasize “every edge possible”, things like this are going to happen.

  13. Suggested penalties:

    Brady—-8 games

    Beli and wonderkind Kraft—-first three picks for next three years forfeited.

  14. It’s funny how the title of the article isn’t “Long-time Jet Damien Woody thinks Brady Cheated.”

  15. In before the rush of Pats fans suddenly looking to discredit Damien Woody – oh, oops, too late.

  16. tonyzendejas says:
    May 8, 2015 4:25 PM

    In before the salivating Pats-haters show up.
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    With absolutely NOTHING to say.

    Priceless.

  17. It’s really hard to believe that anyone could take a stance on what the Wells report said that would differ from Woody’s. I’m disappointed with Bruschi trying to spin this in any other way.

  18. Good god, we are talking about under-inflated footballs. The Pats would have won anyway. This is reminiscent of George Brett and pine tar. I just wish the Patriots would stop playing Bill Clinton football and start to win with their exceptional play instead of sneakiness.

  19. key2heat says:
    May 8, 2015 4:29 PM

    10 GAMES
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    The same as Greg Hardy?

  20. X person believes Brady cheated.

    X person has something against us
    — Patriots fans.

    We are telling you Pats fans, your husband cheated. Stop being like a delusional wife.

  21. Mcknally, the dude who deflated supposedly, only works for patriots. The officials locker room attendant who carries the balls to the field is employed by the home team. Therefore tom has never played a game outside gilette stadium that could have had a deflated ball. How much of an impact could a deflated ball make when in fact Bradys career home vs away stats are the following:

    More completions on the road, nearly identical completion percentage, more yards on the road, more touchdowns on the road, more yards per attempt on the road, and more yards per game on the road.

    If tom deflated balls then it actually hurt him.

  22. Technically cheat…yes….affect outcome of game? … NO.. who cares move on

  23. Woody hit the nail on the head. Brady is probably the most intense competitor I’ve ever seen. If 10%-deflated footballs make it easier for him to throw, easier for his receivers to catch and a little easier for him running backs to hold onto the ball, yes he would do it. A 10%-easier variation for a professional athlete is a lot.

    The equipment guys weren’t texting about deflated footballs for the fun of it. That was part of their job based on the multiple text that were quoted verbatim in the report. And their quotes indicate that they were doing it at the request of their QB.

  24. esdawt says: May 8, 2015 4:30 PM

    “The same Damien Woody who finished his career with the Jets?”

    What does that have to do with anything?

  25. It’s the Patriot Way. Time to hand down the right punishment. I’ve like brady as a qb, at the same time, he’s been fortunate to have not only the best coach in the nfl but also that same coach over his career. It’s unfortunate that he has tarnished his accomplishments by non-character behavior to unfairly gain advantage. I really feel bad for pats fans… there won’t be enough troll repellent for them.

  26. Bruschi, as stated above, is the worst Pats homer there is. Even Skip Bayless, a self admitted homer indicated he thought Brady was guilty.

  27. Woody said he respects Brady as a great player, but also thinks Brady is such a competitor that he’d do anything to find an edge. Even cheat.
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    Why people can’t fathom great players doing anything to win is beyond me. Would people be surprised if players like Brady got busted for HGH or something? I wouldn’t. Stop putting these people on pedestals and just be happy that they’ll go to extremes to win. Like I said when this first broke, it made me like him more because he’ll do whatever it takes to get an edge and is still coky and arrogant about it when you question him on it with his dime piece on his arm.

  28. Bruschi is a complete idiot. Does he honestly believe Brady didn’t have the training staff deflate the footballs to his prescribed psi.
    Does he think those guys were the “tooth fairy football deflaters”? Come on Man!

  29. Personal Injury cases (like this: NFL League, Other Teams & Other Players are injured by Cheating by individual &/or Team) are civil matters, where the legally required Burden of Proof is a “Preponderance of Evidence”. To meet this standard, the “More Likely Than Not” evidentiary burden is applied. It means, that would a jury believe, with a 51% certainty, that the infraction occurred.

    Given the information released & % of commenters who agree that cheating occurred…it appears that the burden would fall on Brady to prove innocence, which he has been unwilling &/or unable to do thus far.
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    Civil matters have dueling experts, cross-examination and defense. This is not a civil matter, yet,

  30. “When you know your team cheated and have nothing else to say…”

    I don’t know that — and neither does Ted Wells.

  31. thetruth146 says:
    May 8, 2015 4:36 PM
    Mcknally, the dude who deflated supposedly, only works for patriots. The officials locker room attendant who carries the balls to the field is employed by the home team. Therefore tom has never played a game outside gilette stadium that could have had a deflated ball. How much of an impact could a deflated ball make when in fact Bradys career home vs away stats are the following:

    More completions on the road, nearly identical completion percentage, more yards on the road, more touchdowns on the road, more yards per attempt on the road, and more yards per game on the road.

    If tom deflated balls then it actually hurt him.
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    Stop posting this on every article. It isn’t even close to being true.

  32. The league is favorably disposed to the idea of QBs determining the properties of their own balls. So why all of a sudden is it evil to take a quantum of air out of a football, an act we all know has trade-offs rather than a clear cut advantage? And — and — if we put every team under this kind of microscope for this and every other rule, we’d be buried in reports of infractions.

  33. Joe Neikro was caught redhanded scuffing balls in 1987. He served a ten-game suspension and later pitched in the World Series that same season. He also ended up on David Letterman because the bulk of the country thought it was more comical than anything. Joe was hardly alone. Countless pitchers from his era (and maybe still today?) were known for doctoring the balls. I certainly don’t recall the outrage as a younger fan that there is today. Is the Brady situation just the latest example of society’s obsession with mock outrage? By all means, punish Brady if the evidence supports it, but let’s not pretend like he’s the only guy taking this approach. The whole thing feels overblown to me. And, no, I’m not a Patriots fan.

  34. Brady cheated, the next chapter in this sad saga is what is Goodell going to do about it? If he lets Brady off lightly, the Kraft must have naked pictures of Goodell wearing a dog collar, if he suspends Brady for the season, he’s a jealous hater.

    We will soon find out.

  35. It will be nice to watch The Patriots go from 1st to worst with Jimmy Garoppolo taking snaps next year. The real irony is they will probably also lose that high 1st round draft pick in 2016 they earn from their horrible season. What do they say about Karma?

  36. Yes he cheated but NOTHING is gonna happen to the by GOD patises, the darlings of the NFL!!! Goodell & Kraft are life long buddies that also bought the super bowl so this will be swept under the rug!!!

  37. I don’t think Brady’s cheating has anythong to do with getting an advantage over other teams. I think he’s in competition with his wife to be the number one star in the family. He’s not just married to “any” super model, he’s married to perhaps the greatest model of all times. So he’s trying to become the greatest QB of all times just to keep pace with his wife. I love Tom Brady and think he’s one of the best players ever, even if he did cheat. I love Barry Bonds and think he’s also one of the best players ever. The cheating didn’t make these guys great. They just cheated because they were close enough to be in the “best ever” arguement, and they were competitors.

  38. 1. NFL gave the Patriots illegal footballs pumped to 16psi.

    2. Equipment guy deflates balls down to 12.5 so they would be legal.

    3. Calls himself the deflator.

    I don’t see how this proves the Patriots cheated.

  39. When you’re a Jet, you’re a jet all the way/
    From your first cigarette to last dying day!

  40. As does everyone with common sense. Bruschi basically said – unless I see the smoking gun I won’t believe it – because I am blindly loyal to the Patriots (understandably so) but nothing he says means anything because he see’s what he wants to see.

  41. If Tom Brady goes to his equipment staff and angrily tells them something along the lines of:

    “Just make sure those balls are at 12.5!”

    Does this make him a cheater? No. He’s just asking his guys to get it to the lower side of the limit that the refs allow. People believe what they want to believe. There’s no grand conspiracy, there’s no process of paying for cheating. Just a preferred measurement for the PSI.

    Why was the PSI of the ball at the Jets game at 16?

  42. This isn’t about being a Pats fan and Pats dissenter. It’s about a level playing field where cheating is not allowed, and if caught, the person doing it pays the price. Brady is clearly a great QB, but seems to be a cheater also. He didn’t need to do this to win? Or did he? Put him in the Hall of Shame with A-Rod, Sammy Sosa, O.J. Simpson, and Lance Armstrong.

  43. nolasoxfan2012 says:
    May 8, 2015 4:33 PM
    It’s funny how the title of the article isn’t “Long-time Jet Damien Woody thinks Brady Cheated.”
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    He was a Patriot for 4 seasons including 2 SB wins and a Jet for 2 seasons at the end of his career when he tore his achilles and retired.

    Sometimes I wonder if people on this board actually watch football or simply celebrate when their teams are winning.

  44. “I don’t believe Brady thought of deflating the ball as illegal. In his head he rationalized it as just getting an edge. Not any different than subbing in eligible receivers as linemen. When a franchise and coaching staff emphasize “every edge possible”, things like this are going to happen.”
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    Notice how conveniently the Pat’s fan leaves out the fact that Brady afterward, and before the entire world, and conveniently BEFORE the SB so as to not be suspended for same, LIES about his conspiracy and affiliation with the Pat’s ball manager stealing the balls from the Referee’s locker room.

    Damien Woody, the ONLY Pat to stand up and tell the TRUTH! Damien, your stock just went way up in my book!

    And if you missed the broadcast, when near the end Bruschi had FIRE in his eyes and it was very clear he was very angry with Damien, who refused to agree with Bruschi, and insisted Brady LIED. That was honest TV! Classic stuff!

  45. It’s obvious Brady knew about and directed this… but the bigger question is, how big of a deal is it? And how widespread was it? It sounds like other QBs had been doing similar things, but this is the first time it’s ever actually been challenged and tested in a game. If Brady told the truth, I think a fine would be enough.. since he wants to lie, I think 2 games is fair.

  46. Stop posting this on every article. It isn’t even close to being true.
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    It has a fairly good question buried it it though:
    if this is something that has occurred regularly, how was it executed at away games – like the game in IND?

  47. Now it’s going to be because Woody played for the jets??? You pats fans are becoming a bigger and bigger joke everytime you reply.

  48. I want a front seat on the bus everyone is throwing Brady under. HA HA!

  49. bruschi and that cheap shot artist rodney harrison are in denial in their absolute support and defense of the pats.

  50. Patriots cannot survive this scandal. Give back the trophy. Let the Ravens and Colts play to see who goes against the Seahawks. If the Patriots don’t like it, take away all the other trophies since it’s already established those are tainted by Spygate. Shameful organization. I feel sorry for fans, especially the ones who lie to their kids and say this is no big deal. It is.

  51. I said “salivating” and now there’s a lot of salivating.

    All over a report that’s 275 pages of “probably” about a man 90% of you guys already couldn’t stand to begin with.

    No proof.

    No smoking gun.

    A bunch of vague texts.

    A bunch of debunked statistical analysis.

    And you call it “proof.”

    You are all children. Overgrown hall monitors with a bone to pick about the good-looking, successful QB.

    Pats go 11-5 next year and repeat. Enjoy your sour grapes moment to the fullest, kids.

  52. One For The Thumb says:
    May 8, 2015 4:42 PM
    1. NFL gave the Patriots illegal footballs pumped to 16psi.

    2. Equipment guy deflates balls down to 12.5 so they would be legal.

    3. Calls himself the deflator.

    I don’t see how this proves the Patriots cheated.
    _________________________________
    Please tell me you are a troll and that Patriots fans aren’t sinking this low. Clearly you haven’t followed this story very well.

  53. Woody “believes” that Tom Brady cheat. Well apparently that’s all the evidence that needed these days, in order to tip the scales of justice against you.

  54. GREAT JOB DAMIEN, WAY TO STAND UP TO THAT TOTAL HOMER TEDI BRUSCHI . GOOD TO KNOW AT LEAST ONE X-PATRIOT CAN TELL THE TRUTH!

  55. elyasm says:
    May 8, 2015 4:28 PM
    He also played for the Jets; not exactly an unbiased source.

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    I’m guessing you think Bruschi’s opinion is unbiased though. Truth is, no matter who came out and said they think Brady is guilty, Pats fans would say they are just haters. I would think someone like Woody would not be criticized as being biased considering that he played for the Pats and won 2 Superbowls with them, but Pats fans can’t accept anyone calling the Patriots out for what they are….. Cheaters

  56. Why is the standard of proof “absolute certainty” when it comes to using science to explain the deflation of the footballs, yet the standard of proof for the entire report is “more probable than not”?

    The text messages are convincing, but how about a uniform standard of proof. It just so happens that the only thing that may help Brady’s case has a higher standard of proof than the ultimate conclusion to the investigation.

  57. I do think most Patriot fans did not READ the Wells Report because if you did and still come away with Brady is innocent – you are delusional. He LIED in the February press conference about knowing “the Deflater” as McNally calls himself. The gifts given to McNalley from Brady over at least a year, the phone calls after the Colts game, McNally taking the balls out of the ref’s room without permission then ducking into a bathroom where nobody can see him, the text that Brady ask McNally are you OK? The Deflatter answers he is getting nervous. Brady not cooperating with the investigation, it goes on and on…innocent? Really? I believe the lies and non cooperation are automatic suspensions.

  58. Someone(in the media) please offer McNally like a million bucks to spill the beans. PLEASE!

  59. Damien Woody, who is known for taking plays off because he was too fat to give it all (Pats, Jets), known for not playing hard so he could get out of contracts (Det), and we’re supposed to believe he is the voice of truth?

    Hahaha!

  60. Hold on a sec, why are you guys watching/listening to ESPN about anything?

  61. TebowedOutOfThePostSeasonAndNeverToReturn says: May 8, 2015 4:47 PM

    Patriots cannot survive this scandal. Give back the trophy. Let the Ravens and Colts play to see who goes against the Seahawks. If the Patriots don’t like it, take away all the other trophies since it’s already established those are tainted by Spygate. Shameful organization. I feel sorry for fans, especially the ones who lie to their kids and say this is no big deal. It is.
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    If you think 1 psi of air is the difference between your team and mine. I truly feel sorry for you.

    This is every patriots haters dream. What a joke.

  62. I have zero respect for the Patriots and the Super Bowls they won. Belicheck and Brady would do anything to win, including CHEAT. It’s been proven several times – not a team or franchise I would ever consider as a dynasty.

  63. What is worse? A liar or a cheat?

    Answer: a liar. At least it seems to be in the eyes of the public.

    Too bad Brady hasn’t realized this? Now it is compounded to be 10 times worse.

    The White House guy that said Brady couldn’t do his job is right. Brady handled this terribly and now he is paying the price.

  64. patsrule59 says:
    May 8, 2015 4:29 PM

    My take on Deflategate is that it makes Brady’s Super Bowl performance even MORE impressive.

    Given what we now know, Brady had to know that the hammer was coming down as soon as the Wells report was released. To be able to perform the way he did in the Super Bowl under that kind of pressure, just proves what a clutch performer Brady is.

    My respect for the man continues to grow.
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    That’s great! Yeah let’s base our respect for someone how they performed in a game after they were caught cheating.

    No doubt Brady is one of the best QBs to play the game. But just like AP (not comparing the two scenarios cause APs was much worse) his legacy will be tainted. Unfortunate but very true.

    I’m a Viking fan and although I will want AP to do well if he stays on the team I will never respect the man regardless of how he does unless he finally shows remorse for what he did.

  65. Cheating is cheating isn’t it? Come on Pats fans you’d get more credibility if you said he/they did. Nothing wrong with cheating till you get caught. I highly doubt the RedSux fans would approve of A-Rod in the HOF…………….for dare I say cheating?

  66. Bruschi is a complete idiot. Does he honestly believe Brady didn’t have the training staff deflate the footballs to his prescribed psi.
    Does he think those guys were the “tooth fairy football deflaters”? Come on Man!

    The issue isn’t whether or not Brady wanted the balls deflated to 12.5 pounds and told the ball boys that because that is already a stated fact even by Brady himself. No, the issue is whether Brady told the ball boys to deflate tha balls BELOW that pressure. Nothing has been shown that indicates he told them that. If he did, it would be a deliberate act to circumvent the rules, but absent that there is no circumvention proved.

    And as far as the deflator tag goes, I don’t recall seeing anywhere that you would only earn that moniker if you deflated the ball beyond a certain point.

  67. greg52451 says: May 8, 2015 4:52 PM

    I do think most Patriot fans did not READ the Wells Report because if you did and still come away with Brady is innocent – you are delusional. He LIED in the February press conference about knowing “the Deflater” as McNally calls himself. The gifts given to McNalley from Brady over at least a year, the phone calls after the Colts game, McNally taking the balls out of the ref’s room without permission then ducking into a bathroom where nobody can see him, the text that Brady ask McNally are you OK? The Deflatter answers he is getting nervous. Brady not cooperating with the investigation, it goes on and on…innocent? Really? I believe the lies and non cooperation are automatic suspensions.

    ———–

    You would never just give up your personal phone to anyone short of a court investigating you. Stop acting like you would. He was interviewed for almost a full day. Get over the “non-cooperation” youre being fed from PFT.

  68. chalkypak says: May 8, 2015 4:38 PM

    “You mean ex-Jet Damien Woody, right?”

    And ex-Jet Bill Belichick too….what’s the point?

  69. Even though I believe Brady cheated and will take the fall for this and rightfully so, something a little more important happened today. I saw the video of Dante Fowler’s knee getting blow out. That trumped this stuff. It looked horrible.

    I am not a fan of nor a hater of the Pats or Brady, but I have one question. If the team and Brady are that good, why do they need to do stuff like this all the time?? Or are there other things we don’t know about? Integrity and respect are being lost.

    If you guys would have taken the high road when the story broke, this wouldn’t be nearly the problem it is now.

    Now this subject won’t go away for a while. Thanks a bunch.

  70. johnshaft1989 says: May 8, 2015 4:58 PM

    Cheating is cheating isn’t it? Come on Pats fans you’d get more credibility if you said he/they did. Nothing wrong with cheating till you get caught. I highly doubt the RedSux fans would approve of A-Rod in the HOF…………….for dare I say cheating?

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    If you think systemattically taking drugs to improve performance is equal to 1 PSI of air in a football, youre delusional.

  71. Hey Patriots fans – you are now the only ones who believe New England won the last Super Bowl. The other 95% of the country can see the obvious truth that your team cheated to get there and should have the trophy and title removed. Hard to hear for ya but it’s the truth chowdaheads.

  72. theneedforspeeed says:
    May 8, 2015 4:53 PM

    Damien Woody, who is known for taking plays off because he was too fat to give it all (Pats, Jets), known for not playing hard so he could get out of contracts (Det), and we’re supposed to believe he is the voice of truth?

    Hahaha!
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    I would think he would have first hand knowledge. More so than any of us posting in here. Don’t you think?

  73. So ridiculous; would anyone care if the balls were over inflated? And why were some Colts balls under-inflated? This is like the George Brett pine tar case; I forget the journalist’s name that wrote about that, but it’s a great bit of writing.
    There is absolutely no advantage to a slightly underinflated ball. They let quarterbacks tailor the balls, so just fine both teams $25k and be done with it.

  74. It was funny watching NFL Live with them 2 going at it though. Bruschi looked like how I imagine all Pats fans when they are trying to argue their points in any article about the Pats cheating. It literally looked like he was about to cry at the end. He just couldn’t accept at any level that some kind of cheating was going on. That is his franchise and friend, and in his mind they can’t do any wrong, and he couldn’t even let himself think there was a possibility of any wrongdoing by Brady no matter what evidence was thrown in his face. At the end though, it was almost like he was trying to give himself or maybe Brady/Patriots an out to the situation by asking Woody if he believed brady would ask the ball boy to do that….. It was like he was trying to hint that if the balls were deflated, that McNally did it on his own

  75. usg1 says: May 8, 2015 4:51 PM

    elyasm says:
    May 8, 2015 4:28 PM
    He also played for the Jets; not exactly an unbiased source.

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    I’m guessing you think Bruschi’s opinion is unbiased though. Truth is, no matter who came out and said they think Brady is guilty, Pats fans would say they are just haters. I would think someone like Woody would not be criticized as being biased considering that he played for the Pats and won 2 Superbowls with them, but Pats fans can’t accept anyone calling the Patriots out for what they are….. Cheaters

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    Most Pats fans completely understand what they are.

    The problem is other delusional fans really believe that 1 PSI of air is this important. Thats the sad part.

    Suspend him two games for a breaking a rule. Talking about season long suspensions and tainted legacies because of 1 PSI of air is ridiculous.

  76. I believe the lies and non cooperation are automatic suspensions.
    ===
    You believe wrongly. Players are union members covered by the CBA and the NFL Constitution. There is nothing in the CBA or NFL Constitution that says that says that a player has to surrender personal records or devices.

  77. toofast79 says: May 8, 2015 5:01 PM

    Hey Patriots fans – you are now the only ones who believe New England won the last Super Bowl. The other 95% of the country can see the obvious truth that your team cheated to get there and should have the trophy and title removed. Hard to hear for ya but it’s the truth chowdaheads.

    ———–

    Yea if the Colts had just had 1PSI of air out of the football, they wouldnt have given up 250 yards rushing. Your line of thinking is pathetically sad.

  78. I would think he would have first hand knowledge. More so than any of us posting in here. Don’t you think?
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    Considering that he left NE in 2003 and footballs were still provided by the league at that time, no.

  79. I believe there is a difference between “cheating” and “illegal” … IMO, Illegal means you can be punished by the government for actions taken… Cheating is a bending or complete disrespect of the rules or by-laws set by an organization in this case. So, did Brady do anything illegal? no. But there is no doubt the Patriots are nothing but cheaters and still to this day have not won a Superbowl on equal footing. A deflated ball for a QB with small hands is a huge advantage for that QB vs a fully inflated ball. I hope the suspension last 8 games or more… would be a nice break for the REDSKINS to play a road game vs the backup… HTTR!

  80. dumbaseinstien says:
    May 8, 2015 4:30 PM

    For all you less than informed Pats Fans who keep brining up the “More Likely Than Not” phrase as some sort of defense:

    Personal Injury cases (like this: NFL League, Other Teams & Other Players are injured by Cheating by individual &/or Team) are civil matters, where the legally required Burden of Proof is a “Preponderance of Evidence”. To meet this standard, the “More Likely Than Not” evidentiary burden is applied. It means, that would a jury believe, with a 51% certainty, that the infraction occurred.

    Given the information released & % of commenters who agree that cheating occurred…it appears that the burden would fall on Brady to prove innocence, which he has been unwilling &/or unable to do thus far.
    _________________________________

    The biggest problem with more probable than not is Exponent and their flawed baseline using the Colts game balls as a control group when you don’t know the true starting point of those game balls. If a truly objective analysis were done than showed the deflation rates were in expected rate of the ideal gas law then the probability of guilt shifts.

    This is why using Exponent is a huge problem for the league if Brady fights this. It could actually be a bigger problem for the league than the texts are for Brady.

  81. My issue has never had to do with guilt. It’s the fact that the infraction is a going 37 in a 30 level speeding ticket being treated like an octuple homicide.

  82. Oh no trouble NE paradise. Hilarious watching you guys scramble to defend your boy. Now you get a taste of what us Lions fans have gone through while you pick us apart. Hahahahahahaha. At least 4 games then off with his head!!

  83. That’s keepin’ it real! All the text evidence points towards what Woody states. Just admit you did it Brady – this isn’t ISIS or murder.

  84. @smasonsmith says:
    May 8, 2015 4:39 PM

    Personal Injury cases (like this: NFL League, Other Teams & Other Players are injured by Cheating by individual &/or Team) are civil matters, where the legally required Burden of Proof is a “Preponderance of Evidence”. To meet this standard, the “More Likely Than Not” evidentiary burden is applied. It means, that would a jury believe, with a 51% certainty, that the infraction occurred.

    Given the information released & % of commenters who agree that cheating occurred…it appears that the burden would fall on Brady to prove innocence, which he has been unwilling &/or unable to do thus far.
    ===
    Civil matters have dueling experts, cross-examination and defense. This is not a civil matter, yet,
    __________________________________

    You are correct that it’s not currently a “Civil Case”, but the “More Likely Than Not” burden of proof is the measure by which an independent investigator for an employer would apply a determination of guilt or liability. In other words, the report would read the same even if there was 100% certainty.

  85. ok….. so the Patriots over the lasthalf dozen years have less fumbles/turnovers than any other team in the league…. quinky dink? RB’s WR’s KR’s all have a much less likely chance of fumbling with a football slightly deflated reality is its just that much easier to control the ball and prevent it from getting knocked out so were talking 1000s of times the ball has been handled with this slight advantage and then we look at turnovers and they are #1 LEAST…. this may be a small thing but over a LARGE time period it is an advantage. a ball slightly less deflated thats tipped will also not bounce as high in the air or fall to the ground faster than a fully inflated football to say ” oh this doesnt have any effect whatsoever” is insanely inaccurate….. that tiny advantage over 1000’s of handling of the football DOES in fact have a advantage for them period !

    ** if this was Jerry Jones and Tony Romo … people would be irate and demanding Jerry sell the team and Tony Retire from football .. Jerry has multiple offenses (because were changing out Patriots here) its time for him to SELL there is NO place in the NFL for this…..”<<< you ALL know it too thats exactly the type of things that would be the majority opinions…. anyhow he CHEATED .. they cheated AGAIN and they need to be Punished AGAIN !! as we knew before we still know .. there is likely other " over the line" things they have and or still are doing… once a cheater ALWAYS a cheater !!!!!

  86. #1: If you use the term “hater”, you sound like a high school girl- grow up.

    #2: patriot fans = braying donkeys

    Carry on.

  87. Pretty Sure Woody won a Super Bowl with the Pats and played more seasons there.

    This is the not the Jet coming out in him. Its the dignity and willingness to be honest about a bad situation for the Patriots.

  88. “Another bitter xpat

    Reality is that people hate on greatness”
    ——-
    What “greatness” are you referring to? The 18-1 season that saw the Pat’s get beat by the Giants, or hadn’t won a SB in 10 years in spite of having one of the all time great coaches and QB’s? Or are you just pulling a Bruschi and sticking your head in the sand that Brady could never do any wrong. That’s what Bruschi said on national TV…that Brady could never do anything wrong!

    Is this how all Pat’s fans think? Denial is not just a river in Egypt – Obviously.

    There are 5 stages to Grief:

    Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, and Acceptance

    Is there little doubt Pat’s fans and many former players are stuck in stage ONE?

  89. @nolasoxfan2012 Oh because he was drafted by the Pats? And he played 5 years with the Pats vs 3 with the Jets?

    Rolls eyes.

  90. Next thing you know we’ll be hearing Mark McQuire took steroids!

  91. Pats fan: We would have won without cheating.
    Everyone else: But you didn’t.
    Pats fan: but we would have…
    Everyone else: BUT YOU DIDN’T.

  92. What do these pats fan posters here expect a player still on the team to state this? ( oh he was a jet )

  93. bullcharger says:
    May 8, 2015 5:22 PM

    The headline also could have been “Bruschi believes Brady is did not cheat”

    ———-

    haha…. maybe not… I meant:

    “Bruschi believes Brady did not cheat”

  94. The only people who doesn’t think that Belicheat and Brady are phonies are NE fans. That is it. Good luck getting in the hall cheaters. enjoy.

  95. Tom Brady is not only a cheater, he’s CHEAP!

    It looks like he didn’t take care of his “deflator” very well. McNally should take every opportunity to enhance his cash flow just as Brady enhanced his statistics by using a differently inflated ball

  96. You are correct that it’s not currently a “Civil Case”, but the “More Likely Than Not” burden of proof is the measure by which an independent investigator for an employer would apply a determination of guilt or liability. In other words, the report would read the same even if there was 100% certainty.
    ===
    True, but comparing the Wells report to a civil case is a faulty comparision. This is the complaint of a civil case. There was no opportunity to cross-examine witnesses or experts, no chance to raise alternate theories, and no chance to call witnesses or experts to support those theories. This is an internal action. If GH goes to far, it will become a civil case.

  97. This just in – they asked Giselle and she said she thinks he’s innocent too!!!

    She then asked if Ted Wells had interviewed Welker….

  98. In other words, the report would read the same even if there was 100% certainty.
    ===
    And no… if Ted Wells could justify a higher standard he would, because it would have been better for his employer (the NFL). Ultimately, though, he couldn’t.

  99. Damion Woody hasn’t played with Tom Brady for 12 years. He knew him when he was a rookie thru his 3rd year as a pro. I don’t think he’s a Brady expert by any means. And after this Pats days he went on to play for the one of the teams biggest rivals for more years than he was a Patriot.

  100. lol, it’s getting really funny when you start convicting someone based on somebody elses nickname.

  101. I will agree that having former Patriots cover or discuss the team on ESPN is ridiculous, and they are incapable of being unbiased.

    But it is equally true that having bitter former opponents like Hines Ward comment is equally absurd, as the guy still hasn’t gotten over being waxed by NE repeatedly through the years.

  102. Really, Bruschi, really? You’re either dumb, in denial or both. In any case your an embarrassment to your family. I get having your boys back, but come on, the facts are the facts. dummy.

  103. This is the perfect punishment for him and his team of cheaters:

    Have the NFL literally put an asterix next to all the Super Bowls in the history books.

  104. “Former Patriots center Damien Woody, who snapped the ball to Tom Brady thousands of times”

    ————–

    Thousands? I don’t know about that. He was notoriously terrible as a snapper and would switch to guard most of the time. Then he missed most of 2003. So really he snapped to Brady a month into the 2001 season and the 2002 season, when they weren’t kicking him out to guard.

  105. I can’t stand the Pats or Brady, but there’s no denying they are good.Belechick always finds a way to push the limit on rules and Brady is his understudy.I watched that debate, and Brushi’s face was getting red, he was pissed at Woody lol.He’s a homer , what do you expect ? Sooner or later Goodell is going to have to lay down the hammer on his pal Kraft and his merry band of cheaters.Brady deserves 4 games for violating the integrity of the game.That’s much more serious than the personal conduct code.Ask Pete Rose about the integrity of the game ?

  106. From what I’ve read, it sounds as though any comments regarding deflation of balls is a reference to making sure they are not OVERINFLATED as they were in the Jets game (16 psi?)….why did the officials OVERINFLATE the balls used in the Jets game?

    I read nothing in the report that suggests that anyone, by order or through their own initiative, endeavored to deflate the balls below the lower limit of 12.5 psi.

    With integrity being so important, why would Wells retain the services of Exponent, a company known to twist results for the benefit of its clients?

  107. This is the most ridiculous sports scandal in the history of sports scandals. You’d think the NFL would recognize its hurting everything about the league, from the credibility of players, team personal and officials, to how the league is run and viewed by fans, and that they do everything they could to put out the wild fire and restore reason. Instead they’ve fanned the flames and embraced the insanity.
    Every facet of this contraversey is a disgrace.

  108. Remember that deflated footballs also have noteworthy disadvantages. They are harder to throw down field with speed and accuracy. This may explain why Brady ‘s long game has lost its luster over the years and he is considered more of a dink and dunk type QB

  109. You mean the same Damien Woody who played for the Detroit Lions? wait. what?

    relax, he is more tied to New England than he ever will be with the Jets or Lions…I mean, you can kiss his SB rings, right? (isn’t that your definition of all things great about the Patriot Way?)

    now, he is not a homer because he played for the Jets (like that has anything to do with it).

    BTW – Belicheat coached the Jets too…and he never got caught cheating either…

  110. whoa, you mean an ex-patriot who the team didnt want to re-sign went against the patriots.

  111. That it didn’t effect the outcome of the game is a bad argument. The balls were deflated illegally. There is a risk to that action, so there must be a perceived reward. Brady thought it gave him an edge, obviously. If not, then why break the rules????

  112. Because Brady ragged on his ball boys about the balls over inflated to 16 psi during, guess what? the big Jets game. So it’s a crime for Brady to tell the boys that he wants the balls at 12.5 psi ,the allowed limit and not 16 psi and asked the boys to show the rule book to the refs and tell them that it us how he wants the balls inflated. The Wells report based their conclusion on the jokes and banter of the ball boys right after the Jets game. The Wells report is a big joke— 100 + days, 240 + page of face-saving garbage.

  113. smasonsmith says: May 8, 2015 5:27 PM
    ===
    True, but comparing the Wells report to a civil case is a faulty comparision. This is the complaint of a civil case. There was no opportunity to cross-examine witnesses or experts, no chance to raise alternate theories, and no chance to call witnesses or experts to support those theories. This is an internal action. If GH goes to far, it will become a civil case.
    __________________________________

    If Brady decided to challenge any punishment imposed by the NFL in Court, he will be required to demonstrate how the texts between Jim McNally and John Jastremski don’t sufficiently demonstrate both his complicity & precognitive planning in the act of cheating. To do so would require (believable) testimony from both McNally & Jastremski explaining how their own words in the texts suggest that the “marching orders” came from Brady, but somehow didn’t. To do so would mean that both would be taking 100% personal liability for DeflateGate. I tend to believe that given the weight of that decision, either one or both, when presented with the option of a lighter burden, would turn evidence against Brady. Take into consideration that certainly 1, and likely both were being paid off by Brady to Deflate the balls. And, McNally was already threatening to “go to ESPN”. Does that sound like a person Brady wants to have his back in court??

  114. Is this same Damien Woody who left the Patriots for more money only to never play for a winning team again… Could we be a little bitter?
    Also all those saying he should be supended should do some homework,
    every rule in the NFL rule book has a pre-determined penelty for violating said rule.
    Punishment for minipulating a game ball is a $25,000 fine but I suppose because it’s Tom Brady and the Patriots we should just throw that out and ban him to appease the masses.

  115. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire, and there’s so much smoke here you can’t breathe. Patriots have not only been caught red handed, but have skated by on the edge of the rules for years. This organization must spend an inordinate amount of time looking for loopholes and all kinds of shady angles to get a competitive edge. Sure, maybe what they did to the Ravens was not illegal but it was sneaky and underhanded and certainly outside the spirit of fair play. Otherwise, the owners wouldn’t have acted so quickly to make it illegal. I’m sure that a full investigation would reveal that deflated balls was only one part of their formula for success. I know it’s hard for fans to admit that after bragging for three months but face it, the Patriots are poor sports in every sense of the term and should be held up to ridicule for embarrassing this league.

  116. mheader says:
    May 8, 2015 4:36 PM
    PFT Commenters: No one cares what you think!

    =====================================

    No one cares what Pats fans think!

  117. In 2010 Woody didn’t stop or say anything against Cromartie when Cromartie viciously and callously called Brady a [bleep] to the NY media. Woody is not on Brady’s side. Woody is part of the grotesques gang green football team.

  118. Dumbasenstien:

    Why are you assuming that Brady would concede at trial that the balls were deflated? Poke a few holes is the assumptions that the NFL fed Exponent but didn’t document, and the entire technical report falls apart. If that collapses, so does the entire premise of the Wells report.

    Wouldn’t you love to see Walt Anderson on the stand?

  119. angryamericancitizen says:
    May 8, 2015 4:34 PM
    Good god, we are talking about under-inflated footballs. The Pats would have won anyway. This is reminiscent of George Brett and pine tar. I just wish the Patriots would stop playing Bill Clinton football and start to win with their exceptional play instead of sneakiness.

    43 93

    The fact the Pats would have won anyway is a non-issue. You stated why everyone is obsessing about this, it is the sneakiness involved and the cover-up. I listened to Brady’s press conference before the Superbowl, the report discredits almost everything he said which makes him a liar. I respect Brady as a football player, but I lost a lot of respect for him as a person from this. Maybe being the way he is is what makes him great but he definitely messed up and should be suspended.

  120. It’s not Brady’s fault!
    The blame should go to the NFL seriously what other team game plays with different balls. How stupid is that? You are just asking for trouble.
    The refs caught them cheating during the game … where’s was penalty for unsportsmanship? See it’s no big deal … the refs did nothing.

    Also Brady only deflated the balls in rainy snowy conditions … there was no reason for him to do it in the Super Bowl.

  121. “Wouldn’t Woody know above all else if this has been ongoing? He did snap the ball to Brady.”
    =================================

    The league supplied the game balls until 2007 or so; how would have the Pats had access to them. Also, Woody last played full time center Brady’s first season. He started playing at guard in 2002 and Dan Koppen was the starting center as a rookie in 2003.

  122. Teddy Bruschi- what a joke. If I need Patriot drivel and glorification , I can go to their fan website. How this guy got a job as an analyst is one of the great mysteries in sports . Everytime this guy appears on TV , I cringe . He looked so ridiculous today , more than he usually does

  123. He didnt seem to care when he was winning super bowls to not tell anyone he “knew” Brady did it.

  124. He referred to himself as the “deflator” because the balls were said to be 16lbs, which seems like hyperbole so a lot of the texts should be taken with a grain of salt.

    ESPN is just trying to spin it for the viewers and controversy, not a Pats fan by any means but even Wells had nothing to nail Brady with and he lasted 103 days investigating. Everyone wants Brady out to weaken the competition.

  125. Both of these guys know Brady deflated the balls. Bruschi is trying to defend the guy(and not keep it real) while Woody is keeping it real. Bruschi needs to man up while Woody is calling it exactly how it is. Who knows how many years Tom Shady has been deflating footballs to his advantage butI can tell you its been a long time.

  126. Br*dy and P*triots will be the end of the league unless the NFL does something about them. Fans don’t want the assumption that everything is fixed.

  127. “BTW – Belicheat coached the Jets too…and he never got caught cheating either…”
    ===================================

    He was under Parcells and when given the opportunity to become head coach, he said no thank you to that mess.

    …and never caught cheating either? Well, there goes that theory of once a cheater always a cheater. should ya look at the NYG’s first 2 SB wins too? Hey, just following the logic.

  128. I keep hearing “they would have won anyway”

    Are you sure? one team plays on a cold day with a soft ball and the other has to use one hard as a brick. Sounds like it shows the soft ball is a scoring edge in that weather.

  129. Ex Jet. Does he believe, or does he just think it’s more probable than not he had a general idea?

    #NFLConsolationPrize2015, for those who believe everyone should get a trophy. And didn’t get one.

  130. Another mediocre player who plays for the worst franchise, who’s still hurt about the BUTTFUMBLE…!!

  131. The Pats fans don’t get it. The rest of the country knows The Patriots have a culture of cheating. It is proven, they have a track record of being caught. You are right 1 psi would not have changed the game. It does make us wonder what else is going on in the organization and during game day. It is not about a deflated ball it is about a culture of cheating and now we know it starts with Belichick to Brady all the way down to the ball boys.

  132. Hey everyone Roger Goodell here,

    I just wanted to say thank you for not focusing on the fact that this “sting” operation had no actual starting measurements recorded even though it was made clear it was a “sting”. Produced no real evidence, and shows that we were more than willing to play the first half with under inflated footballs.

    Better you think the Patriots are bad than my job performance and the league, after all – I am a politician with 32 constituents!

  133. I watched this conversation live between Woody and Bruschi and Bruschi had genuine hate in his eyes when he was looking at Woody.

    Bruschi’s version of the report was typical Pat fanboy – nothing proves Brady did it so he’s innocent b/c I know him.

    Woody’s version was that although he respected Brady he could see him cheating b/c he’s such a competitor.

    I don’t know who is right, but I witnessed the end of a friendship today.

  134. Of course he cheated. But what level does it actually rise to? I think this is the same as stickum on WR hands and silicone spray on linemen jerseys.

    First it’s the officials job to catch it. If they don’t – it didn’t happen.

    Lets face it – it did not change the outcome of the game. NFL learn from it and increase your ball security / testing.

  135. What folks don’t get is that if Brady is punished at all it’ll be because he did not cooperate with the Wells Report as asked to do, not because he deflated balls.

    And since he has two kids I’m not real sure he has deflated balls, period!

  136. Tom AKA ‘Tiny hands” Brady throws 15 dollar per hour Ball Att. under the bus and doesn’t own it. Nice Tiny Hands. Ball boys don’t rat as Tom looks the other way and denies he is the blame.

  137. “If ONE psi wasn’t important, why did Brady do it?”
    ——-
    To gain a mental edge. Brady’s goal was to participate in another SB. He couldn’t compete for another Championship, his first in an entire decade, IF he didn’t get to the SB.

    Which is why Brady lied. Brady didn’t want to risk telling the truth at his news conference, for if Brady told the truth Brady new he’d be risking suspension for the SB.

    So Brady kicked the can down the road, and once going all in with his lies he had to stick with his lies….problem now is Brady’s lies are chipping away at his Captain America mask, and he’s seen not only as a CHEATER but a LIAR too….Brady’s reputation will NOT ever recover from this personal meltdown…had Brady come clean and told the truth America would have already forgiven him. Instead Brady keeps digging himself in deeper, mocking the investigation process by not fully cooperating, and worse yet snubbing his nose at the shield, as if Brady thinks he’s bigger than the game itself. Let’s see what the Commissioner’s office thinks about Brady’s snubbing his nose at telling the truth. The LIE and failure to cooperate are far bigger than deflating balls.

    Besides, New England now has won a SB in which the entire world now knows without a shadow of a doubt New England cheated to get there. There’s no disputing the facts. New England fans need to get over themselves and out of denial about Brady. He lied and cheated. Fact.

  138. Hey Teddy,

    Here’s a question I’d like to see asked of you “Is there anything Tom Brady wouldn’t do to win?” The answer is No, but you defended TB like there was. Which means that deflate gate is more than a possibility given NE’s history of skirting the rules and Brady being ultra-competitive.

    I get the homer in you, but you’re supposed to be a professional announcer, without bias. Instead you took a side and made another former New Englander (and announcer) look bad.

    Your integrity just got deflated!

  139. “PATS SB 50 CHAMPS!”
    ——–
    And it’s also factually known Pat’s cheated to gain a SB berth.

    Both are facts.

  140. ^ Did it, mcartaya? Nothing in the Wells report objectively points the finger at Brady. There are a lot of texts in there taken out of contexts between work friends, and facts that Brady likes the ball closer to the lower range of inflation, that Wells as an individual decided to interpret a certain way. Another person can take the same statements and facts and come to a completely different conclusion. You don’t like Brady and/or the Patriots for whatever reason, and you see things the way you see them. I can’t help that the Wells report is 243 pages of complete and utter nonsense… The trash you would expect from any other sleazebag lawyer. Each to their own.

    Obviously, I am posting this as a Pats fan. As a Pats fan, I have grown really disappointed in Bruschi as an ESPN analyst, where I feel he has been unnecessarily critical of the Pats (perhaps due to fear of being considered a homer)… I still respected him as a former player, but I had turned my back on him as a man. The disgust in his eyes today in that conversation with Damien Woody, that loyalty to his friend (loyalty I share in simply not believing the Tom would feel the need to sneak around and to cheat with something that minor) earned back my respect. It’s not about what the masses think, it’s about using your own better judgement to resist the tides of public opinion. Much respect!

  141. When you are looking for a reason to justify a feeling, like hating soemone you resent, you start to grab onto thinsg like PSI levels of a football and act like it was the greatest affront to anything EVER. this is bigger than pete rose betting on baseball, than the blacksox world series scandal! PSI levels are so sacred, before 2015, no one even knew what they were!!!

  142. do any of you peolple actually listen or read. The report never says brady told anyone to do anything. just like rice never told anyone he wore stick’em. just like the 49ers circumvented the salary cap rules. just like ray lewis wore “deer piss” . Please people, the nfl rules states that if the psi level rules were broken, it is a max of a 25k fine. so u will fine brady the equivalent of ray rice beating. i know its apples and oranges, BUT. Plus 3 of 4 colt balls were below the standard. Witch hunt at it finest. What else is Bruschi gonna say. thats his boy. And YES i am a crazy Pats fan. Please understand that winning all the time is demoralizing for most. And yes they are an easy target with a grouch of a coach, a “pretty” QB, and a savvy owner. This deflategate was nothing more than anything else anyone has done before. Remember people, NO OTHER current QB has ever said anything about footballs other than rodgers who likes them over the limit!! cmon folks, common sense says really wheres the issue!!

  143. It’s funny that the culture of cheating only started after former Jet employee Roger Goodell became commissioner.
    Acts completly legal during the time former commissioner Paul Tagliabue was in office and that includes 2001,2003,2004 SB were deemed illegal when Goodell took over in 2006.

    Fine them, take away draft picks, take away their ability to film on the sidelines instead of the desiginated spot and Patriots go 18-1 and a 16-0 regular season. Yep the filming from the sidelines really was the reason they are called cheaters but had no impact on their play.

    Deflategate is even worse. In 2007 there was clear violation of a rule. There was concrete proof. Here with deflategate we have no concrete proof. We have more probable that not. We have a scientific firm that defends big corporations against lawsuits. One who has defended Tobacco companies about the effects of smoking. Who have defended auto companies about defective cars and the list goes on. A QB being accused of wrong doing based on somebody elses nickname and a bunch of texts that can be interperted any number of ways. No proof at all that Brady ever told anyone to deflate footballs below 12.5 psi. He has bitched and complained about footballs getting into games over the 12.5 psi (ie 16 psi). McNally was in clear violation of rules of picking up the approved footballs and not following proper procedures. He should be punished. This is a provable fact. There is zero proof that he tampered with the approved footballs after they came into his position other then a biased report from a scientific firm. Saying Brady is guilty because he didn’t give us texts from his phone and talked to McNally and Jastremzki after deflategate broke is nothing but conjucture and innuendo.

    Woody is an ESPN reporter. That’s all I need to say about what he has to say.

  144. Dear Patriots Fans:
    You of all people should be more upset about this than anyone. Year after year the Patriots get caught cheating (You’d think by now they’d learn how to get it right & not get caught!). After all, without all of the cheating, what have they actually accomplished? The NFL should be tired of this & add an asterisk to the Patriots Logo; on the Helmet, Flags, Center of the Field, etc… Sorry Patriots fans but the TRUTH HURTS & History doesn’t lie. Before you try to give a rebuttal, you may want to reflect on your teams history of so called success.

  145. Lets see…I think we’re up to 175 million who know Brady/Belicheat are pathological cheaters and liars…

    Oh, I forgot hall of fame Pro QB’s that might just know a little more about football than the average pat’s fan (who all appear to have been anointed patron saints of criminals, cheaters, murderers & people lacking any signs of deductive reasoning).

    Stay tuned for the further adventures of “As The Screw Turns” starting Tom Terrific as “Lance Armstrong”….

  146. I am not saying I have inside information, or that I work for the NFL, but……….

    #1. Lets just say regarding ‘the future’ that: Tom is going to receive a 3 game suspension (reduced to 1 game in arbitration). And draft picks will be lost.

    #2. Regarding ‘the past’, anyone that believes Tom (et al) woke up the morning of the Colts game and thought: I think a softer ball would be easier for me to throw with accuracy, so let’s try it….today, for the first time in the season (or past seasons), is regrettably deluded.

    #3. The Patriots are scheduled to win the 2016 Super Bowl, beating the Green Bay Packers. Notwithstanding the drama for public consumption.

  147. One way or another we are talking point spread. No surprises when you don’t fumble or throw a pick because the ball slipped out of your tiny, weak and aging hand. This is all part of the fix and we need Tom Hanks and Jack Nicholson to do a “you can’t handle the truth !” scene ,Patriot style. A lot of people have made a lot of money by rigging the game by deflating footballs. Patriots have consistently beat the spread ,year in and year out.

  148. I’m not defending Brady and the Pats nor am I a fan, but think about what this means for all football players.

    Jerry Rice admitted to using stickum after it was banned in the NFL. (He said “everyone” did)

    So if we are going to knock Brady for his cheating, don’t we have to knock the G.O.A.T. Jerry Rice?

  149. Really, really hard to watch Bruschi go through that. It’s clear he loves Brady like a brother and is willing to accept his word above all else, even clear evidence.

    Way to put your friend in that situation, Tom.

  150. I’m done with the Patriots. I want to root for a virtuous team with no skeletons in their closet, no history of any shady operations, no players ever suspended, no salary cap violations or the like.

    OK. Which teams does that leave?

  151. It is more probable than not that Damien Woody took PEDs at some point of his NFL career, therefore he is a cheater.

    See how easy that is…

  152. Hey where’s that Patriots fan who goes around posting all the time about what “cheaters” the Steelers are?

    Look up the word “nerve” in the dictionary and you’ll probably see a pic of him.

  153. ampatsisahypocrite says:
    “..Hey where’s that Patriots fan who goes around posting all the time about what “cheaters” the Steelers are?…”

    Pats fans need that reassurance that “somebody else did it too.”

    ..which doesn’t change the fact that Tommy Boy is a cheating scumbag.
    Go figure.

  154. Did you ever notice how Tom Brady throws football on sidelines each time before he goes out on field. Is he warming up or trying to find which football feels the best? It would be interesting to see if the ball he was throwing is put in play when he takes the field. I am sure there is tape and it can be determined.

  155. Surely Robert Kraft will cut Brady rather than allow the team to be associated with a cheater, right?

  156. Did you ever notice how Tom Brady throws football on sidelines each time before he goes out on field. Is he warming up or trying to find which football feels the best? It would be interesting to see if the ball he was throwing is put in play when he takes the field. I am sure there is tape and it can be determined.
    ===
    What is the basis of your assumption that he is throwing game balls while warming up on the sideline?

  157. Tom Brady cheated and the Patriots have been cheating since the 2007 season.

    I know Pats fans do not want to understand these FACTS, but these are facts:

    1). It is a FACT that following the 2006 season, Tom Brady lobbied the NFL to change the rules to allow teams to provide their own game balls for both home and away games.

    2) It is a FACT that since the 2007 season the Patriots have led the league in fewest total fumbles lost. (The statistical anomaly is such that there is a greater than 5000-1 chance that this is not happenstance.)

    3) It is a FACT that Tom Brady knew about and helped conspire with Patriots Equipment personnel to under-inflate footballs over a period of years.

    4) It is a FACT that Tom Brady LIED to NFL investigators regarding these practices.

    5) It is a FACT that Tom Brady DID NOT fully cooperate with NFL investigators.

    6) It is a FACT that Bill Belichick was, has been and still is in complete control of the Patriots organization and any systematic and pervasive violations, such as these, are totally within his control and he therefore exercise a lack of institutional control over the Patriots organization over a period of many years.

    For those who say that the Patriots did not lead the league in lowest numbers of fumbles, just in the lowest numbers of fumbles lost, just think about it. When a “fumble” occurs, it can occur in one of two ways. First it can be the result of contact, in such a situation, at least one offensive player (the fumbler) and at least one defensive player (the one who caused the fumble) each have a legitimate shot at recovering the football. But, consider the second type of fumble, one which occurs absent defensive contact, such a a center/QB exchange or a QB/RB exchange. In such an instance, a “soft” football can be scooped up or recovered much easier by one of the two or more offensive players nearest the football. The result is cheating and the fewest number of lost fumbles in the NFL over a period of years since and including the 2007 season.

    Tom Brady – One Year Suspension without pay plus a massive fine.

    Bill Belichick – One Year Suspension without pay plus a massive fine, PLUS absolutely no contact with anyone connected with the team, ownership or organization.

    Patriots – One million dollar fine plus loss of a first round draft choice for every year since and including the 2007 season that they have cheated.

    Robert Kraft – NO APOLOGY and removal from all standing ownership special NFL committees that he is a part of for the next five years, PLUS, the Patriots will play one regular season “home game” in London for each of the next eight seasons.

  158. smasonsmith says:
    May 8, 2015 9:27 PM

    Did you ever notice how Tom Brady throws football on sidelines each time before he goes out on field.
    ————————————————————
    You mean like every other pro, college and high school QB in the world?

  159. S.M.H…i tried to ignor it, but my father mentioned so many of the uninformed, assinine comments that have been made by “fans” of the game on this subject…lets get real…

    Most of you have never played, those of us who HAVE, realise that football, being watched by millions of eyes (not to mention super high res cameras) is almost an impossible sport to cheat in, or at the very least, cheat in a mannor that would effect the outcome of a game, hense colts players saying things to the effect of “stop it with the deflated balls, they coulda beat us with a bowling ball today, theyre the better team”

    SO, ill adress it, NO!, in no way does this taint Tom Brady’s, the greatest football player, and quarter back of all time, legacy, nor does it dimish the accomplishments of this franchise over the years. Sense Bill took over, this team has won the division year in and out, spending less money, picking from the bottem of the draft, and lets be honest, if its wasnt for 2 circus catches, Tom’s got 6 rings. Cheating, or as we athletes call it, “giveing yourself an edge” is ramapant in ALL sports.

  160. Meanwhile, the other 31 teams are asking themselves, “What do we do with our footballs, because when, and if, we start to win, we may be next.”

  161. As a Bengal fan, I think I know when the cheating began………..let me give you a hint, “On to Cincinatti”

  162. Page 228 of the Wells report – “In sum, the data did not provide a basis for us to determine with absolute certainty whether there was or was not tampering as the analysis of such data ultimately is dependent upon assumptions and information that is not certain.”

    Damien Woody, that’s just your opinion, and it’s wrong. It’s based solely on lies and innuendo. You say you read the Wells report? Did you read this part? Do you understand what it means? Let me clear things up for you. It means there’s no conclusive evidence of any wrongdoing here. A Brady suspension would be a travesty of justice, pure and simple.

  163. nopepper123 says:
    May 8, 2015 10:45 PM

    As a Bengal fan, I think I know when the cheating began………..let me give you a hint, “On to Cincinatti”
    —————————————————
    That game could have been played with cantaloupes and your boys still would have been pasted.

    Try again.

  164. What is wrong with this culture? What if Brady is innocent? Why not give the benefit of doubt? There are men who have been executed for crimes they did not commit. If mistakes and false reports can happen on this serious level, couldn’t the Wells report be rife with half-truths, misconceptions and manipulations? I would say that it is more probable than not. But… Go ahead. Pull the switch.

  165. So Woody goes from the penthouse to the outhouse and Brady did not even try to lobby Belichek one bit to keep Woody.

    There’s no fury like a not good enough center scorned when he was exiled to the crappiest team in the NFL.

    Woody must feel good about his 5 seconds of fame and his petty payback. Agter yhis is over, no one will still know him or care about another has been.

  166. the problem isn’t that Brady had the staff do this to the balls, the problem is this team has been caught cheating before and this is obviously an issue and something this franchise has no problem doing. Unfortunately Tom has to be the sacraficial lamb and the NFL has to make an example of him to show the Patriots and other teams that cheating will not and can not be allowed.

  167. travesty of justice?? we send people to jail for life with less than this…… dont insult peoples intelligence here bud.. there is plenty of circumstantial evidence to come to a ” more likely than not” conclusion which when the policy was updated is ALL the evidence needed …… its more likely than not Greg Hardy pushed that girl on the bed although there is absolutely nothing to say its ABSOLUTELY what happened but with more reasonable than not being the NFL own policy for finding violations .. he is suspended 10 games … also this can potentially have a HUGE impact over 7 year period how many snaps from offense in 7 years??? WOWSERS even a minute effect could have a HUGE impact….

  168. Damien Woody washed out in NE and played his most productive years with the rival Jets. He is the balance to Bruschi. Bruschi is putting his reputation on the line and saying he KNOWS Brady wouldn’t do this. When a man who operated as his own agent, who came back to play after a stroke and who handled the Mayo draft pick with that much class says he believes his friend of 15 years without a doubt, that’s where I’m putting my money.

  169. Does everyone here really believe that Brady was the only one doing this? I bet every QB in the NFL is trying to delete their text messages. This whole thing is ridiculous, I bet Offensive numbers are going down next year.

  170. I hear Brady getting the biggest blow but what about his Center?? He touches the ball just as much as Brady he should be answering questions too in my eyes.

  171. carloswlassiter says:
    May 8, 2015 9:50 PM
    smasonsmith says:
    May 8, 2015 9:27 PM

    Did you ever notice how Tom Brady throws football on sidelines each time before he goes out on field.
    ————————————————————
    You mean like every other pro, college and high school QB in the world?
    ===
    You need to read more carefully, carloswlassiter.

  172. Wasn’t Damien Woody on the NBC show “The Biggest Loser”? Incredibly overweight, a ton of kids. Can somebody please teach this guy some discipline?

  173. “….we send people to jail for life with less than this……”
    =================================

    I think you have gone past the point of “overreaching”.

  174. I think it’s halarious to see all the fans of other teams begging for year long suspensions for Brady & BB… They know that their teams have absolutly no shot at competing against them so they can only hope their prayers get answered somehow by making rediculous demands….
    Too funny… Keep up the dreaming it’s fun to read!!! Lol!!

  175. Whenever I see or hear someone telling me about how the pats are cheaters I’ll just pull out one of these…

    Multiple Dolphins players told the Palm Beach (FL) Post that the team purchased tapes of the New England offense that provided audio of quarterback Tom Brady making audible and line-blocking calls. These players boasted that the tape helped them win 21-0 in a December meeting.

    Although the league, in this case, ruled that the Dolphins did nothing wrong, many Miami players stated that the tapes “were critical in preparing for the game and provided the Dolphins inside information about New England’s offensive audible system.”

    “I’ve never seen [Brady] so flustered,” middle linebacker Zach Thomas said.

    Said ESPN report John Clayton: “Teams are always trying to steal signs and signals off other teams. That’s just football.”

  176. Damien Woody is an excellent example of how someone can turn their life around. He realized how he had gained a lot of weight after his career was over and he did something about it. He is now in great shape and has a new career on ESPN. He is a great family man as well. Life is good.

  177. Ex-Jets and Retired Pro Bowl quarterback Jeff Blake confessed in an interview that removing air from footballs was common when he played in the NFL from 1992-2005.

    “I’m just going to let the cat of the bag, every team does it, every game, it has been since I played,” the ex-Jets QB said Wednesday in a radio interview on the “Midday 180” show on Nashville’s 104.5 The Zone. “Cause when you take the balls out of the bag, they are rock hard. And you can’t feel the ball as well. It’s too hard.

    “Everybody puts the pin in and takes just enough air out of the ball that you can feel it a little better. But it’s not the point to where it’s flat. So I don’t know what the big deal is. It’s not something that’s not been done for 20 years.”

    Blake says that he’d order ball boys to let air out of his footballs just before the start of games during his entire NFL career, which included time with the Jets in 1992.

  178. Each time I read someone stating they’re “Cheaters” it only comes across as a 3rd grade kickball argument. Good grief people, do you not actually realize each and every QB doctors the footballs, as per the rule? All of them. So cast a wide net when using the “cheater” moniker to include all of them.

  179. Brady was average to above average talent coming into the league. Belichick made a great QB out of Brady. Unfortunately Belichick’s ways have also rubbed off on Brady. Win at all costs including cheating is one of those ways. I say this as the biggest Brady fan there is in the world.

  180. Kapernick said it best today – No football in the world is going to help you win by 38! Let it go and let Tom be great! On to the 2015 season

  181. Nice article. A fee key points left out however. It fails to remind everyone that Woody was also a hated rival of the Patriots on the Jets for more years than he was a patriot. Secondly that Brady was constantly on him for his poor work ethic and poor play. He was one of the worst Centers we have had. They would rotate other centers in when they went to shotgun. His opinion is his own, bUT is obvious to me that this is motivated by bad blood. That’s dispicable.

  182. Only Pat fan and a few Pat apologists at ESPN scoff at this. Reality check. He’s cheated (in this capacity) probably more than once. Is it a big deal? Not so much in the AFC title game, but who’s to say in past games? The Patriots are obviously a scumbag organization that think they’re above the rules. They make the Raiders look like Mr. Rodgers.

  183. Only 4 Colts balls were tested in which 3 were found deflated (page 8 Wells report). Also, the NFL claims they couldn’t test the Colts’ remaining balls due to time constraints (2nd half starting). When will the NFL conduct an investigation for the Colts’ deflated balls and also the REAL reason why the other Colts’ balls were not tested?

  184. LOL. What a piece of crap this Woody is. So he’s telling this now after “snapping the ball to Tom Brady thousands of times and won two Super Bowl rings with him”? What gives?

  185. This is on a larger scale is largely the result of Belichik creating an enviroment and culture of skirting the rules thereby making it easy for Brady and his cohorts to do what they did.
    Also, I don’t believe for a minute that Belichik didn’t know what was going on based on the fact that the statistics show they benefit greatly over the years by not only helping Brady throw a ball in bad weather, but also the statistics show that it cuts down on fumble.
    I’m sure Belichik looked at those statistics.
    This whole Belichik reign is nothing but a fraud.

  186. My question today is Ted Bruschi going to have one of those youtube crying video moments where he’s tearfully shouting at the cameras “Leave Tommy alone ….”.

  187. soopreme says:
    May 9, 2015 8:13 AM

    This is on a larger scale is largely the result of Belichik creating an enviroment and culture of skirting the rules thereby making it easy for Brady and his cohorts to do what they did.
    Also, I don’t believe for a minute that Belichik didn’t know what was going on based on the fact that the statistics show they benefit greatly over the years by not only helping Brady throw a ball in bad weather, but also the statistics show that it cuts down on fumble.
    I’m sure Belichik looked at those statistics.
    This whole Belichik reign is nothing but a fraud

    BINGO!

    This starts with Kraft and permeates the entire organization.

  188. These r the same people who think Hernandez is innocent,shouldn’t surprise anybody. Hometown Teddy almost blew a gasket.

  189. jackjnssn says:
    May 9, 2015 12:15 PM
    These r the same people who think Hernandez is innocent,shouldn’t surprise anybody. Hometown Teddy almost blew a gasket.

    ======================

    Hey Idiot – I doubt even Hernandez’ mother thinks he is innocent. Maybe the Pouncy brothers, but no one else.

  190. davidceltic says: May 9, 2015 7:29 AM

    Only 4 Colts balls were tested in which 3 were found deflated (page 8 Wells report). Also, the NFL claims they couldn’t test the Colts’ remaining balls due to time constraints (2nd half starting). When will the NFL conduct an investigation for the Colts’ deflated balls and also the REAL reason why the other Colts’ balls were not tested?
    ****
    It doesn’t say that at all. On that same page it shows one Colt ball goes up on the second reading. Sit down and think real hard how that might be.

    Clue: read page 66 and 67 with the footnotes.

  191. Belichick cheated a few years ago, should have been banned from the NFL
    Brady is guilty of cheating otherwise he would have cooperated in this investigation he thinks is ridiculous, he should be banned for life.

  192. Only 4 Colts balls were tested in which 3 were found deflated (read the real page 8 of the Wells report). And, perhaps you can explain why the remaining 8 Colts’ balls were not tested.

  193. Woody also holds a grudge against the Patriots because they refused to overpay him and he then went to Detroit. He’s a baby!

  194. I can’t believe the amount of time and energy spent on this. Except for ESPN because they need something to talk about so people will watch their useless network. Looking forward to not watching football this year and concentrating on fun things and not worrying about who is cheating on what team. Ridiculous. Your team cheated too at some point

  195. Damien Woody being ex Patriot player and has close friends there I give him credit and respect him for standing up to Brewski who obviously was getting really mad whoever dont back up Brady…Its just like there jobs there on air..Woody is a person who gives honest predictions and anaylist as for Bruski that guy just so bias everything he says is in favor or the Patriots ..he should just work them on there radio station or something because on ESPN no one is getting a fair and honest word out of that guys mouth

  196. Damien! How many deflated balls did you snap to Brady?

    7th Grade Science teachers wouldn’t accept the porous data on measurement of the game balls. NFL not only pays millions for garbage in garbage out stats, but threatens people with the information.

    Since everybody is talking stupid about this, Colts won the SB and Peyton Manning was the MVP.

    Ehhh! Not really.

  197. NFL commissioner and former Jets public relations intern Rodger Goodell

    damien did you know the balls were light or just guessing so you wont be forgotten like all xfootball players chimming in. Because if you did know why not say that was the reason you left the Patriots and finished with the jets.

  198. “who snapped the ball to Tom Brady thousands of times and won two Super Bowl rings with him”

    That is such a false statement. Woody last played full time center Brady’s first season. He started playing at guard in 2002 and Dan Koppen was the starting center as a rookie in 2003.Woody last played full time center Brady’s first season. He started playing at guard in 2002 and Dan Koppen was the starting center as a rookie in 2003.

  199. Anyone else notice a difference between “Ex-Patriot” Damien Woody and other “Former” Patriots. This guy is not a NE-Friendly guy, he drank the Jets kool-aid (to steal a NE phrase) for far too long to even be considered objectable. He is a glorified hater.
    You get a guy like Danny Woodhead or Welker? They’re considered Former Patriots. Sure they hate the way the team does business, but they recognize that you take every advantage in life to win. That’s all this is, they are taking any advantage, big or small, and they’re not the only ones doing it. Every business does it, (corporate accounting scandal in the 2000’s), the government does it, (do you really believe the unemployment numbers) and the rest of the world does it (Iran and their nuclear ambitions).
    Cheating ain’t new, its the old-school way. Maybe all these players and coaches in the league today all got trophies at the end of the year, and there was never a score in any competition. But for the old-school guys, life is a competition to stay alive, and they handle things just a little differently. Its a way of life. Anything to survive.

  200. from dumbaseinstien:
    “For all you less than informed Pats Fans who keep brining up the “More Likely Than Not” phrase as some sort of defense:

    Personal Injury cases (like this: NFL League, Other Teams & Other Players are injured by Cheating by individual &/or Team) are civil matters, where the legally required Burden of Proof is a “Preponderance of Evidence”. To meet this standard, the “More Likely Than Not” evidentiary burden is applied. It means, that would a jury believe, with a 51% certainty, that the infraction occurred.”

    In other words, after ALL prosecution and NO defense over several months and costing several million dollars, the BEST the NFL could do is say there’s a 51% chance he’s guilty and a 49% chance he’s innocent.

    And you call that a feature, not a bug??! And that tenuous 51% conclusion deserves 4 games, 2 draft picks, and a million dollars?

    My God, the degree to which you haters are brainless, too, knows no bounds.

  201. Bob Costas said it today: by the time Brady is back, the Pats could be 1 and 3…
    They would have to go almost undefeated to make the playoffs…
    And that, ladies and gentlemen, it’s the end of the Pats dynasty…
    Make room for the….Buffalo Bills…

  202. Let’s place bets on the first former Patriots player who writes a tell all book about 10 years from now once Brady and Belichick are gone and all of this has settled down. I’m sure it’ll be damning.

  203. Also…please don’t forget that the Patriots were the 2nd lowest fumbling team in the entire NFL last year (oddly the Vikings had the lowest fumbles per game). You are insane if you don’t think that a softer ball is easier for a RB to hang onto. This didn’t just help out Brady, it helped out the whole entire team.

  204. im going to say something that has not been brought up yet….

    THEY WERE 1 YARD AWAY FROM LOSING THAT SUPERBOWL!!

    Seattle head coach was their best teammate

    if these balls were so helpful, why was it even that close?????

  205. tonyzendejas says:
    May 8, 2015 4:25 PM
    In before the salivating Pats-haters show up.
    ———-

    You people need to stop throwing around this word “hater” so often, particularly when it is inapplicable.

  206. Damien Woody is the new kid at school (ESPN) trying to fit in with cool kids (Polian, Bettis, Brunelle) by taking shots at the Patriots. Sour grapes.

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