Mike Pettine on Tom Brady: I lose a lot of respect for guys who cheat

AP

Count Browns coach Mike Pettine as one who thinks the Deflategate report tarnishes the image of Patriots quarterback Tom Brady.

Asked about Brady today, Pettine said that it’s hard not to lose respect for Brady after the Ted Wells report concluded that Brady was probably involved in having the Patriots’ footballs under-inflated.

“I’ve always had a lot of respect for him,” Pettine said, via Mary Kay Cabot of Cleveland.com. “But I lose a lot of respect for guys who cheat.”

Of course, Brady isn’t the only one who was caught cheating this offseason. The NFL also discovered this offseason that the Browns were engaged in texting during games, in violation of league rules, and as a result Cleveland General Manager Ray Farmer was suspended. Did Pettine lose respect for Farmer, too?

But Brady is different. He may be the highest-profile player in NFL history to be found in violation of league rules. And Pettine won’t be the only one who views Deflategate as tarnishing Brady’s legacy.

219 responses to “Mike Pettine on Tom Brady: I lose a lot of respect for guys who cheat

  1. Brady, “You know everyone in the League does it–cheats I mean. We’ve just had the misfortune of getting caught before the Super Bowls we’ve won.

    “Which is really too bad, because we are a championship team. …”

  2. Oh, please. He wasn’t taking PED’s or bribing the officials. This is akin to Jerry Rice using sticker. Yeah, you’re not supposed to do it, but it’s not like he destroyed the integrity of the game or something. You’re not supposed to exceed the speed limit either, but everyone does it. People get outraged over the most absurd things.

  3. Everyone outside of the overly-defensive, sad clown deflatriot fans of New England have lost respect for that entire franchise and their over decade long serial cheating.

    The struggle is real for deflatriot fans ****

  4. hard not to lose respect for Brady after the Ted Wells report concluded that Brady was “PROBABLY” involved.

    Again that word PROBABLY” lol, this is too much lol.

  5. Al Davis used to call in plays from the owner’s box too. Against the rules, but I’m not sure the front office meddling with coaching is a competitive advantage, probably more the opposite.

  6. Theres a slight difference between an owner trying to micromanage and a guy who knows of people in his organization trying to gain a competitive advantage.

    One is knowledge of cheating, the other is stupidity.

  7. The Browns should be allowed to cheat. They sort of need the help. Nothing major, but just some little stuff like texting to the sideline, letting their WRs get a head start of a few seconds before the snap, and letting them field 15 players on offense.

  8. Hope Pettine never gets caught doing anything that is against the rules. Because I’m sure this quote won’t come back to bite him on the butt.

  9. So the NFL is going to stand by the ref who said he had never lost sight of the balls ONCE in over 19 years.

    A report that also means the NFL officials cheated the Patriots in an October game by giving them balls that at 16, were over the allowed level of PSI.

    A report that gave the scientific details that the temp change could actually alter the PSI by the exact amount of that the Patriot football happens to be off by. The NFL also used a lab that once proved that second hand smoke can’t cause cancer… or what the law world knows as a mercenary lab. Tell them the results you want, and they’ll fudge an experiment for you.

    A report that showed 3 out of 4 Colts balls were also deflated.

    A report that not once actually proved Tom Brady culpable.

    Why does anyone think it took nearly five months to write this thing?

  10. I’m a Browns fan.
    Why do they (mgmt/coaches) continue to make absurd comments to the media?
    Mike – your GM cheated. You are in no position to criticize anyone else.
    The media should have followed up Pettine’s comment – I would have loved to see him stumble through the answer regarding his GM.

  11. Can’t lose too much respect for a QB who has played on a team that has a culture of cheating with him at the helm. He is already tied to cheating, only now he has risen to the ranks of chief cheater.

  12. I think Farmer is too stupid to know he was cheating when texting. And it probably hurt more in a game than helped. Too stupid a second time.

  13. This is all a “build-up” to deflect from the outfall when the NFL announces, no fines or suspension for Brady Boy!!

  14. Before the Tampan Bay/Oakland Super Bowl, Brad Johnson paid one of the ball boys like $10K to deflate the ball. He admitted this last year…

    Get your popcorn ready, this will be interesting.. Will they suspend Brady?

    PS Did Brady have plastic surgery, dude looks weird…

  15. Holy crap, this guys team got fined for texting from the sidelines just this year. For cheating! I love the way people forget about their own indiscretions and pile on.

    Hypocrites! Every damned one of you.

    Only if you never lied, or cheated, or drove drunk, or did anything can you be truly outraged. Only then. If you ever did any of those things EVER, you need to shut the hell up and stop acting so holier than thou.

    Glass houses.

  16. This team is rife with cheating from the drunken owner to the scum bag coach to the QB who has had to cheat his whole career to stay ahead of mediocrity.

  17. There’s the ultimate low…you’ve been looked down on by the Browns HC.

  18. A lot of you toothless meatheads who thought you had a funny joke about Pettine losing respect for his GM failed to note that Pettine, um, lost respect for his GM. Pettine was straight with the media about how he chewed out Farmer after he learned of the texts, which had nothing to do with a competitive advantage (though someone could do the same thing for that sake, hence Farmer’s punishment).

  19. Can someone just go to the tape and zoom in on the face of the receiver who caught the first Patriots pass in the Colts game?

    Their expression alone should tell if this is a non-issue or a history of NE doing this.

  20. yawn. win more than 4 games before you sound off about something you have no clue about. he knows he’s about to fired after this season, so might as well makes outrageous comments like this to get your name out there. back to high school, mike. you’re in way over your head

  21. From a soon to be 2nd year coach of the hapless Browns, now that’s fresh. Oh who is their QB again? One is useless and the one is a recovering addict.. nice.

  22. Why do people even speak anymore? Pettine Sr., is a legendary football coach in the rectangle state of Pennsyltucky, he has been accused of illegally recruiting kids to his public HS from outside of his zone, during his coaching days. So, does he no longer respect his own father?

  23. The stupidity and hypocrisy of these guys is astounding. What kind of an idiot calls someone out for cheating when his own team is fined for the same thing earlier that same year.

  24. Tough to respect a Quarterback who you have never beaten as a coach in the NFL.

  25. I don’t see the big deal… its a minor foul… I’ll take the punishment for the ring any day and I am not a Pats or Brady fan. But the ring over the penalty is worth it.

  26. PFT should have a blog post for each person who has ever been associated with the NFL on this topic.

  27. mc2180 says:
    May 8, 2015 2:01 PM
    Cleveland has a football team?
    ====================================

    No.
    They even adopted new bicycle racing uniforms to prove it.

  28. Who’s Mike Pettine?
    He’ s ‘probably’ another guy who didn’t read beyond the first few pages in order to see the nonsense deep within the report which contradicts, in part, much of the conclusions stated early in the report.

  29. If you’re going to make an analogy comparing this to speeding, which everybody does, then it would go like this:

    Person gets pulled over for speeding. Denies it to policeman. Goes to court, requests trial by jury. Lies under oath in jury trial. Charged with perjury.

    Everybody involved wonders “why the heck didn’t you just pay the ticket? It was like $60. Nobody would have cared at all. This only became a big deal because you insisted on making it one, and now you’re in jail.”

  30. It’s a good thing qb’s aren’t important, right Mike. Dirt bag.

  31. grandpoopah says:
    May 8, 2015 1:59 PM
    Oh, please. He wasn’t taking PED’s or bribing the officials. This is akin to Jerry Rice using sticker. Yeah, you’re not supposed to do it, but it’s not like he destroyed the integrity of the game or something. You’re not supposed to exceed the speed limit either, but everyone does it. People get outraged over the most absurd things.
    *********************
    Actually yes it is destroying the integrity of the game.

  32. As a Raiders fan, I have every reason to dislike Brady but I don’t.

    Seems I recall Brady played pretty well in the second half of the Colts game and the Super Bowl. This is nothing short of a witch hunt.

  33. Remember that time Mike Pettine had his guys lineup on the sideline and actually trip an opposing player mid-play.

    I lost some respect for him there.

  34. So many vocal hypocrites. This is such a stupid and overblown scandal.

    Brad Johnson payed ball boys to tamper with footballs, Aaron Rodgers admitted casually to overinflating footballs. WHY? Because its not a big deal…. unless its the evil Patriots.

    Does anyone truly think that 1/2 PSI is going to make any difference in your throwing ability? Have you thrown a football before?

    Jerry Rice’s admission of Stickum was much more disappointing than Brady’s “more probable than not” deflation of footballs.

  35. I’ll be happy when Brady is officially suspended and their season affected so adversely that finally someone in the AFC east wins the division. But mainly because classless New England fans, by trying to justify cheating, have displayed the absolute worst of any fan base ever.

    And to think how sorry I once felt for the Red Sox and their fan base. No more. When Brady retires it will be fitting that the Pats don’t win for as long as the RedSox, for Kharma is a you know what!

  36. Ray farmer didn’t alter the game to the point to give them an advantage. He texted someone on the sidelines, not even a coach. Coaches don’t check their phones during games. They looked at the text messages and determined that it didn’t alter the game to give them a big advantage. That’s why his suspension wasn’t so big. Educate yourself before you comment and make yourself look like a fool

  37. Tom Brady will go down in history with the all-time “greats”:

    Lance Armstrong
    Bill Belichick (Spygate)
    Barry Bonds
    Mark McGwire
    Alex Rodriguez
    Roger Clemens
    Tonya Harding
    Tom Brady

    Welcome to the club, Tom, you’ve earned it! You will forever be remembered as one of the greats!

  38. Even if he is 100% guilty, which is not what the report says, it isn’t worse than taking Steroids. Steroids and HGH are illegal drugs that give players a massive advantage. Many players who were caught or have admitted to it in the NFL are all in the HOF. It’s rampant. I don’t think an incident will tarnish his legacy to the extent people are saying right now. It’s one mans opinion that it’s probable Brady was generally aware. Enough to award a lawsuit if a judge came to the same conclusion, but it is still 40+ percent possible that he did nothing wrong. The report certainly is in line with that. Can’t condemn a guy without hard evidence that would make him guilty in a criminal trial in case it’s not true. All Brady can do is live with it now, but he’ll still be a first ballot HOFer.

  39. The Patriots seem to have a problem with questionable moves.
    It seems to be much more than any of the other 31 teams out there. I thought they were above the law, maybe now I am wrong, and wait for the bullets to fly.
    Brady looked odd last night at the university affair. Too much smiling for me. from someone who is about to sit down for a while.
    He always has a smirk on his face, what is that all about?

  40. 1919 White Sox scandal, NCAA basketball point shaving, Pats spygate, Pats deflategate, NEXT!

    No wonder people run around like the sky is falling, cheating is accepted as part of the American culture.

  41. fanofpft says:

    May 8, 2015 2:10 PM

    All teams should hit an extra gear v pats now.
    —————————————————-

    You realize that the Patriots are going to be in full “eff you” mode and looking to run up scores of 60+ on every single team right?

    After Tommy serves his 2 week suspension he’s going to light the league on fire.

  42. Ha. the head coach of the Cleveland Browns. is there a position in the pro sports that commands less respect? what a piker. go back to your irrelevant sub-.500 existence.

  43. As a Da;llas fan I don’t have a dog in this fight but what I would say is – win some dang ball games and then your opinion MIGHT matter.

    Personally my take on this as an attorney is – the NFL ALWAYS wants to have its way without contest AND it causes them to look like jokes!!
    Standard of proof – hey lets adopt the civil standard of proof instead of criminial, yeah 51/49 vs. 80ish/20ish like the criminal standard of beyond a reasonable doubt – WHY? because they can have their way!!!! What about the proof used – lets reuire our employees cooperate totally , no matter what rights they have or what ridiculous things we ask for – WHY? Because we can ask for ANYTHING and use it go go after them. PERIOD. The NFL LOOKS like a JOKE because THEY don’t want to be HELD to ANY STANDARD – essentially just do what we say and accept what we say – and oh by the way we don’t want to be held accountable for what WE DO in anyway.

    RIDICULOUS!!!

    PROVE TOM ACTUALLY DID KNOW AND DID ASK FOR THEM T BE LESS THAN REGULATION INFLATION OR SHUT UP!

    BUT NO they would rather have stupid stuff color and adversely affect their game for Months and months – same goes for that stupid exemption list!

    Drag it out to feel you have all the power and look all the more bad as you do!

  44. At least the Browns fully cooperated with the league’s investigation, admitted they were wrong and accepted their punishment like men! None of these are true about the Pats. Whiners to the end.

  45. It’s not “deflategate”, it’s “ballghazi”.

    No, it’s PSI: New England

  46. Petittine probably knows that he will have another bad year and he will get fired by the browns by the end of the year

  47. It appears as if the New England Patriots text messages to each other were much more effective than the Cleveland Browns text messages to each other…

  48. If he didn’t think it gave him an advantage (however small), why did he do it?

  49. It’s a good thing the Pats don’t play the Browns this year. We would need to get a 4th digit added to the Home team’s points column on Gillette’s scoreboard.

  50. The guy who writes your checks cheated a lot of people out of rebat money. Did you lose respect for him too?

  51. This is why I don’t like to hear criticism from players or coaches they all no what goes on in the NFL but I appreciate all the trash talk coming from us fans

  52. This Coming from a guy (Pettine) who has no CLUE on QB Play whatsoever. So take what he says with a grain of Salt. Norv Turner and Kyle Shannahan, two QB Gurus were so repelled by Pettines approach to QB play and offensive football that they got out of town so quick your head would spin…

  53. He may be the highest-profile player in NFL history to be found in violation of league rules.
    _____________________________

    I’m old enough to remember when Alex Karras and Paul Hornung were suspended a full year in 1963. Pete Rozelle was a commissioner who didn’t mess around.

  54. Fact: Chris Mortensen’s report was false.

    Fact: No pre-game ball level measurements exist.

    Fact: Average PSI under legal limit was 1.01

    Fact: Colts balls fell below legal limit

    Fact: Subtracting .5 from 1 = .5

    This is about the Patriots letting 0.5PSI out of footballs? Guilty or not guilty, THAT’S the charge?

    #deflate gate the #2015ConsolationPrize

  55. He wasn’t found in violation of league rules. Read the plain English in the report. He was found to be “generally aware” of “improper activities” that may or not have occurred but were “more probably than not” .

    Wells didn’t fudge his conclusion to protect Brady. He fudged it to protect the league.

  56. So let me get this straight — Pats fans think a GM texting to the sidelines to tell them to “Put Johnny in” is “cheating” but deflating balls to make the ball easier to grip and gain a competitive advantage on the field of play is not? Interesting, thanks for showing us how blatantly biased you are in refusing to accept that Tom Brady is a cheater.

  57. It’s clear where this is headed. This amounts to too much pine tar on a baseball bat and the haters want to turn it in to Pete Rose betting on baseball.

    If you can’t beat em then let’s get him suspended.

  58. Oh man!! I cannot wait for New England to put a world of hurt on this league next season!! Thank you Ted Wells and all you jealous haters for bulletin board material.
    #nowyouareinveryverybigtrouble

  59. alexjrado says:
    May 8, 2015 2:23 PM
    It appears as if the New England Patriots text messages to each other were much more effective than the Cleveland Browns text messages to each other…
    ___________________

    They were both effective, they got accomplished what was desired, One person wished to see a certain players skillset on the NFL field.

    The other person wished to make sure the balls were at his favorite PSI which weren’t within league regulation. Which seems the people that were texting all knew was the case.

    I think Brady should get 3 games for not cooperating with the investigation, but he knows if he did that, he would his goose would have been cooked, and the long investigation would have taken only weeks.

  60. fanofpft says:
    May 8, 2015 2:10 PM

    All teams should hit an extra gear v pats now.
    ————————————————————–
    You don’t think teams tried really hard before? It’s all Rex Ryan ever talked about in his sad tenure with the Jets. But now other teams are REALLY going to try to beat them! OK then – good luck with that.

  61. this is nothing but a big old witch hunt. Clearly the United States you cannot beat you successful anymore or somebody or some group will take you down.

  62. “Does anyone truly think that 1/2 PSI is going to make any difference in your throwing ability?”

    Apparently Tom Brady does

  63. I liken this to the Bill Clinton BlowGate scandel. It was not the underlying crime that was so bad, it was the lying to our face about it. That is when any chance to earn back good will ends.

  64. There’s a difference between wanting or even asking for the game balls to be deflated, to actually being the one who does the deflating!

    If Brady gets punished, then so should the back staff who handled the balls and the team. May as well throw in the officials for not noticing the issue and taking action during the game, and also James Harrison of the Steelers, as apparently the League fines him for everything!

  65. “this is nothing but a big old witch hunt. Clearly the United States you cannot beat you successful anymore or somebody or some group will take you down.”

    And now you know how Republicans feel

  66. Didn’t this guy have his players dropping like they took sniper fire to slow down the quick offense? Way worse than a tiny bit of air missing from a football. Not a Pats fan but to not respect the guy over this is silly. Downright silly

  67. typical of todays society to try to tear down someones life/career that they have worked so hard for. jealousy brings out the worst in people

  68. who had respect for Brafy anyway? Remember when he stubbed his toe and Matt Cassell won 11 games as their starter? I could probbly wim 10 games with all the cheating those guys do.

  69. I like how the media tries to combine violating league policy and “cheating” all in to one convenient little bucket. That’s not how it works. Example:

    1.) Releasing air out of a football to grip and throw it better causing better accuracy, higher velocity, tighter spirals and subsequently better quarterback rating… CHEATING!

    2.) Ray Farmer texting in a game that the Browns lost anyway and the Browns are perennial losers regardless.. NOT CHEATING. It’s only a league policy violation. See the difference?

    So don’t get it twisted MEDIA. You can spin a lot of things, but one thing nobody will ever buy is that the Browns have a “competitive advantage” over ANY team.

  70. Coming from someone irrelevant, in my opinion.

    Funny thing is, I would almost guarantee that at the end of TB’s induction into Canton, whomever introduces him will say that “it is more likely than not, that TB is the best QB in NFL history.”

  71. Farmer violated a rule but didn’t cheat. There’s a difference. Having said that, I don’t think deflate gate is a big deal. A holding call is cheating and NFL players do it on every play.

  72. 1. Deflating footballs
    2. PEDs
    3. Circumventing the salary cap
    4. Illegal communication during the game
    5. Piping in crowd noise
    6. Building a sideline “wall”
    7. Having a coach step onto the field of play and interfere
    8. Having a coach trip an opposing player
    9. Establishing an illegal bounty to injure opposing players
    10. Stickum

    It’s absolutely comical going through all of these recent rules violations and objectively evaluating the severity of each one, and somehow concluding that only item 1 on the list constitutes “cheating” and then labeling a player and the entire team “cheaters”? There has to be some kind of psychological research study commissioned that would professionally assess the impact extreme jealousy can have as a detriment to ones intellect.

  73. Pettine, Shula, Who’s next? I can tell you their are a whole lot more coaches that have lost their respect for tom shady the cheater they just aren’t coming out. What are tainted rings if your peers and fans around the world don’t have respect for you. Respect is what it’s about. Wow, this guys legacy is ruined.

  74. Funny, Pat fans and Brady have enormous respect for rules about hitting the QB, to the point of telling the refs when to throw a flag.

  75. Joe Montana. 4-0 in SB’s 11 SB TD passes & 0 INTS. And didn’t have to cheat. Miss Brady. 4-2 in SB’s. Rules changed so defenders can only breath on him. Pleaded w/NFL to allow him to use his own balls. Beneficiary of Tuck Rule, Spygate, Deflategate et al.
    Case closed.

  76. Although I wish the Pats could avoid controversy sometimes, I know that it can never be, and that’s just going to have to be okay I guess.

    Hey, it’s summer in New England, the trees are coming to life, the pool will be opened soon – and on my favorite sports talk station, they AREN’T talking about the Red Sox, the Celtics or da Broons… it’s wall-to-wall Patriots, and it’s fascinating. Thank you Tom, for the respite from “starting rotations” baseball gibberish and tongue twisting hockey player names!

    And if I’m ever lucky enough to stand within a few feet of Roger Goodell, he’s going to have a nice imprint of my foot on his caboose.

  77. sexualspaghetti says:
    May 8, 2015 2:01 PM

    this has to be the most out of control nfl story ever. we all know its because its brady.
    _____________________________

    Only player who would get as much attention as Brady on this is Manning. Every other QB could be on video tampering with balls and NFL and fans would look other way.

    a la

    Fox cameras showed sideline attendants using heaters to warm up game balls, which is against league rules. NFL vice president of officiating Dean Blandino said Monday morning on NFL Network that officials warned both the Vikings and Panthers not to heat up the balls during Sunday’s game, and would remind teams this week not to heat game balls.

    “You can’t do anything with the footballs in terms of any artificial, whether you’re heating them up, whether it’s a regular game ball or kicking ball, you can’t do anything to the football,” Blandino said. “So that was noticed during the game, both teams were made aware of it during the game and we will certainly remind the clubs as we get into more cold weather games that you can’t do anything with the football in terms of heating them up with those sideline heaters.”

  78. Farmer texting the coach, is not the same thing. Farmer broke a rule, but the Browns didn’t receive a competitive advantage. If anything telling Pettine to put in Manziel arguably puts the Browns at a disadvantage.

    Deflating the football gives Brady a competitive advantage.

    Stop comparing the two incidents.

  79. Colts Footballs measured at halftime according to the Wells report
    12.7
    12.75
    12.5
    12.55

    The average air-pressure drop of Patriots game balls “exceeded the average pressure drop of the Colts balls by 0.45 to 1.02 psi” depending on the gauge used, according to the report.

    I’m sure all you Pats fans can easily explain the logic which leads you to believe one of those is less than 12.5.

  80. The sad part is that we’ll never know how good he would have been without cheating. Pats fans can scrub and scrub all they want, that tarnish isn’t coming off. If Akili Smith had access to stolen footage of opponent’s practices and could illegally alter game equipment to his liking we just might be talking about him and his four Super Bowl victories instead of Tarnished Tom. So, so sad.

  81. Raise your hand if you had to click the story to see who this guy is…

  82. Maybe Pettine’s problem is that he respect players too much. Try dropping them on their head and getting out with the victory.

  83. Since when has the NFL cared? The NFL has not deserved respect since last century.

  84. jmac1013 says:
    May 8, 2015 3:09 PM

    Farmer texting the coach, is not the same thing. Farmer broke a rule, but the Browns didn’t receive a competitive advantage. If anything telling Pettine to put in Manziel arguably puts the Browns at a disadvantage.

    Deflating the football gives Brady a competitive advantage.

    Stop comparing the two incidents.
    _——————————————

    Is there any proof deflating the ball is competitive advantage? If over-inflated is that an advantage? If Brady deflated to just 5 PSI would people think that was an advantage just because it’s outside the 12.5 to 13.5 range?

    Anything above or below does not make it an advantage!

  85. The average air-pressure drop of Patriots game balls “exceeded the average pressure drop of the Colts balls by 0.45 to 1.02 psi” depending on the gauge used, according to the report.

    with a +/- margin of error like that, they really should not have bothered publishing any results. In most instances that is called “inconclusive.”

  86. What did they find ? I don’t think more probable than not is a finding. It’s speculation supported by selective presentation which is persuasive but still selective.. And flawed in many ways.

  87. theharshestreality says: May 8, 2015 3:27 PM

    SB XLIX Champions – Patriots *
    ————–

    Funny that I don’t remember seeing it like that in the NFL record books. Do you mind showing us where you say that?

    Wait, are you just making that up? I think you are… I bet having your own record book makes you feel a little more important.

  88. Yada yada about Farmer texting. It’s a different scenario and anyone with two brain cells would see that.

    Farmer texting was “breaking the rules” but it didn’t/couldn’t affect the outcome of the game, i.e. it isn’t “cheating.” It’s a protocol/administrative issue. The nature of his texts, i.e. “PUT JOHNNY IN!” (so I know whether or not I made a mistake drafting him) is way different than, “They’re preparing to substitute player A for player B!” or “I think I saw them discussing an onside kick on the opposite sideline!” as that would affect coaching/competition decisions.

    Manipulating game equipment – like Brady did more probably than not – to tilt the standard of play into your favor affects the outcome of the game and is thus “cheating.”

    I would grant that Farmer’s texting could be considered ‘cheating” relative to draft strategy, but not “the integrity of the game.”

  89. Pettine: I lose a lot of respect for guys who cheat….

    His text 10 seconds after the interview to Browns Brass:
    “What can we do to swing a trade for this guy?”

    Brady’s as guilty as sin, but he’s still 1000 times better than ANY QB in Cleveland Browns history.

    For the life of me, I can’t understand Tom’s need to break the rules when he’s surely talented enough to never have to….

  90. lukedunphysscienceproject says:
    May 8, 2015 2:32 PM
    Didn’t Aaron Rodgers at one point early in this whole thing admit that he has had his footballs doctored too?
    ===============================
    I’ll answer your question with a question:

    Does Aaron Rodgers play for the Pats?

  91. Who doesnt?

    Back in the wild west if you were caught cheating a card game they just ended you right there.

    Or the LAN video of that mob taking the cheaters computer outside to smash in on the ground.

    Even if you win you cheated and you know it. Buried deep down in there somewhere you know it.

  92. “Brady isn’t the only one who was caught cheating this offseason”

    Everyone in the media (and the public) seems to keep forgetting the actual allegations, WITH all of the weasel words included.

    Brady was NOT caught cheating.
    Repeat–
    Brady was NOT caught cheating.

    Brady was judged to have MORE LIKELY THAN NOT have been GENERALLY AWARE of illegal activities,

    activities that themselves may or may not have occurred, but MORE LIKELY THAN NOT did take place, according to Mr. Wells.

    Language is important.

    Please get it right.

  93. lance227 says:
    May 8, 2015 3:03 PM
    Joe Montana. 4-0 in SB’s 11 SB TD passes & 0 INTS. And didn’t have to cheat. Miss Brady. 4-2 in SB’s. Rules changed so defenders can only breath on him. Pleaded w/NFL to allow him to use his own balls. Beneficiary of Tuck Rule, Spygate, Deflategate et al.
    Case closed.
    =================================
    uh, no. Where would Joe (the 9ers) be without Rice? Not one legal catch in his career. He caught so many passes, don’t you think that Joe knew that his main man had gunk on his hands?

    and ya know, Joe had small hands for a QB. The “tuck rule” was designed for QBs like him because it was harder to hold on to the ball when pump faking a pass.

    I’m not excusing Brady for anything – just putting some proper perspective on how Montana’s / Rice’s / 49ers’ results should be eyed.

  94. bigbenh8tr says: May 8, 2015 3:09 PM

    Colts Footballs measured at halftime according to the Wells report
    12.7
    12.75
    12.5
    12.55

    The average air-pressure drop of Patriots game balls “exceeded the average pressure drop of the Colts balls by 0.45 to 1.02 psi” depending on the gauge used, according to the report.

    I’m sure all you Pats fans can easily explain the logic which leads you to believe one of those is less than 12.5.
    ————————

    Are you sure? Because everyone including Wells’ footnotes said they were under 12.5psi……..

  95. Honestly, nobody in New England cares what anybody else in the country thinks about them or the football team. That is especially true about any opinions coming from that giant septic tank known as Cleveland. The NFL isn’t a popularity contest. Its about winning and championships. Nobody does it better than the Patriots. They run the league and do whatever they feel like – period. All the whining in the world wont change that. Pettine …what a loser. Loser coach in a loser city.

  96. Just a general question, not looking for excuses or alibis, just wondering why the one person who touches the ball more times than anyone else during the course of the game, (maybe every play except kick offs) doesn’t notice something “wrong” with the ball in play? I’m talking about the one ref who places the ball on the line of scrimmage before the start of every play. Yea, I know he wouldn’t have time to check psi but how bad does the ball have to be before he does something?

  97. For all you less than informed Pats Fans who keep brining up the “More Likely Than Not” phrase as some sort of defense:

    Personal Injury cases (like this: NFL League, Other Teams & Other Players are injured by Cheating by individual &/or Team) are civil matters, where the legally required Burden of Proof is a “Preponderance of Evidence”. To meet this standard, the “More Likely Than Not” evidentiary burden is applied. It means, that would a jury believe, with a 51% certainty, that the infraction occurred.

    Given the information released & % of commenters who agree that cheating occurred…it appears that the burden would fall on Brady to prove innocence, which he has been unwilling to do thus far.

  98. theharshestreality says: May 8, 2015 3:27 PM

    SB XLIX Champions – Patriots *

    * 4 time champs, winners of more Super Bowls than any other NFL team in the last 25 years, winners of more games this century than any other team in the NFL, home of the GOAT QB, and one of the greatest coaches to ever step on a football field, paragon of excellence in the modern National Football League and will continue to be so for the forseeable future.

    I think that about covers it. 🙂

  99. The Rock says Cleveland is totally lame
    How did this dump get the Hall of Fame?
    The Rock has to say aww shucks…
    Cause Cleveland doesn’t rock no it totally sucks

  100. wensink18 says: May 8, 2015 4:09 PM

    Honestly, nobody in New England cares what anybody else in the country thinks about them or the football team. That is especially true about any opinions coming from that giant septic tank known as Cleveland. The NFL isn’t a popularity contest. Its about winning and championships. Nobody does it better than the Patriots. They run the league and do whatever they feel like – period. All the whining in the world wont change that. Pettine …what a loser. Loser coach in a loser city.

    ———-

    Browns playoff wins when Belichick was coaching in Cleveland: 1

    Since then: 0

    🙂

    Just sayin’!

  101. wensink18 says: May 8, 2015 4:09 PM

    Honestly, nobody in New England cares what anybody else in the country thinks about them or the football team. That is especially true about any opinions coming from that giant septic tank known as Cleveland. The NFL isn’t a popularity contest. Its about winning and championships. Nobody does it better than the Patriots. They run the league and do whatever they feel like – period. All the whining in the world wont change that. Pettine …what a loser. Loser coach in a loser city.

    ———-

    Browns playoff wins when Belichick was coaching in Cleveland: 1

    Since then: 0
    🙂

    Just sayin’!

    ____________________

    He probably cheated. :shrug

  102. How did Brady cheat? Someone show me how PSI impacts game? Can a ball be too deflated? HE BROKE A RULE, EQUIPMENT INFRACTION – that’s it! Akin to uniform violation?

    The rule is to be at or between 12.5 and 13.5. If inflated to 20psi would that be advantage? Imagine if Brady liked the pSI at 4? That should be like a huge advantage, right? Must be so easy to throw at 4psi because league says only 12.5 – 13.5 is perfect psi, right?

  103. Somehow I don’t think that Tom Brady is very concerned about what was said by the soon to be ex coach of the Browns…….whats his name….you know….the guy from pawn stars

  104. clevelandrocksyourface says: May 8, 2015 4:48 PM

    New England. 6 states so crummy they had to work together to be relevant.

    —-
    New England: Birthplace of this fine country.

    BOW to us and show respect.

  105. You’d think Pettine would have already lost all respect for Farmer after that abomination of a 2014 Draft.

  106. If you take the entire population of all 6 tiny, ridiculous states that comprise the fictitious place known colloquially as “New England” how long would it take you to find one chowderhead who didn’t have to google the word ‘colloquially’?

  107. It’s about intent. Maybe the practical effect was the Patriots win anyway. God knows that Colts defense was brutally bad last year.

    But they obviously thought they would benefit from it, they knew it was against the rules and did it.

    For me the worst part isn’t the violation of the rule, it’s the righteous indignation of the Patriots organization from Kraft on down. They feigned innocence and now that they have been caught, there is no apology or contrition.

    Goodell has to throw the book at these guys. It’s the only way the NFL can stop the downward slide in their credibility.

  108. visit yourteamcheats.com before throwing stones.

    If you think cheating is not engrained in the history of the NFL you’ve got your head in the sand.

    That said, the Wells report is seriously flawed. Were Brady’s equip guys taking the top off the ball? Probably.

    But if you think you are upset because Brady cheated you’re deluding yourself. Your lack of outrage over the Falcons and Browns betrays you. You’re pissed because the Pats more probably than did it and they win. If they didn’t win you wouldn’t care. And if it were your team caught you wouldn’t care either.

    The only delusional people out there are the ones pointing and yelling cheater. Those who aren’t see the hypocrisy.

  109. Well that’s good Cause I lose all respect for coaches who have 23 first round picks over 2 years and still can’t win 6 games a year……

  110. Braddavery, that was quite a comment, ” it wasn’t cheating, it was just against the rules”!!! Kinda like letting a little air out the pigskin??

  111. Knock it off already Patriots* fans, your boy is a cheater on a cheating team, you’re embarrassing yourselves with the bogus defense you throw out there.

  112. deltaoracle says:
    May 8, 2015 3:53 PM

    Bart Starr, the greatest QB ever, was never accused of cheating.

    ——————————-

    But he played with a guy punished for gambling on football. How many GB games were tainted as a result?

    There’s always another point of view.

  113. The officials measured the drop in pressure of the Patriots footballs. Using one gauge they measured a drop of 1.39 psi. Using another gauge they measured 1.01 psi. Average: 1.20 psi.

    The officials measured the drop in pressure four of the Colts footballs. Using one gauge they measured a drop of 0.37 psi. Using another gauge they measured 0.56 psi.

    Anyone, including those hired to study the issue by Wells, can calculate the expected pressure drop that WILL OCCUR due to temperature, assuming an inflation temperature and a halftime temperature. There result: footballs will lose 1.13 psi in pressure due to the temperature drop.

    The patriots footballs on average drop by about the amount that they should have. It is the Colts footballs that SEEM to violate the ideal gas law.

    There is an explanation that the hired scientists IGNORED.

    The officials didn’t even have time to test all of the Colts footballs because the 13-minute halftime was ending. The Colts footballs had been in the heated room for at least 10 minutes before they were ever tested. They warmed up, maybe halfway to room temperature, which would explain a measurement of about half of the drop that was expected: 1.13/2 = 0.515.

    So the Colts partly warmed-up footballs were used as the “control” for the earlier-analyzed Patriots footballs. A huge degree of importance was placed into the fact that the difference in the drop in pressure of the Colts footballs vs. the drop in pressure of the Patriots footballs was statistically significant.

    The difference MERELY IN THE ORDER in which the two groups of footballs were analyzed, as they were of course warming up toward room temperature, could FULLY account for this statistical significance, however.

    Saying that a 1.13 psi expected drop is truly different than 1.20 psi (or even 1.39 psi) observed drop is shaky at best.

    As a tenured PhD chemistry professor, I do not see scientific grounds for saying that the Patriots footballs were, on average, outside of expected norms, just based upon the data provided.

    The science is in no way clear.

    The only evidence of note is the interpretation of the text messages.

  114. Browns GM was suspended four games for sending a text message. Brady has been directly effecting the outcome of games (look up the fumble statistics people) since 2006 with deflate gate and he probably won’t get as severe a punishment. Because it’s the Patriots and they have Goodell in their pocket.

  115. Whatever Pettine’s personal feelings are, it’s a lot smarter to say “I ‘m focused on the our team and what we can do to get better. Period.”

  116. bonniebengal says:
    May 8, 2015 5:53 PM

    Browns GM was suspended four games for sending a text message. Brady has been directly effecting the outcome of games (look up the fumble statistics people) since 2006 with deflate gate and he probably won’t get as severe a punishment. Because it’s the Patriots and they have Goodell in their pocket.
    ———————————————————–
    Farmer was caught red-handed. Brady was “probably generally aware of someone else probably doing something”.

    As for your 2006 comment, the league can;t punish a guy because some internet yahoo like you has a wacko theory. They need proof.

  117. How can I be the first person to point out this was taken out of context and that he never directly said he thought Brady had cheated at this point.

    Also, trash Mike Pettine all you want, but he actually answers the questions reporters give him and quite candidly. I hope the Browns become successful so he gets more air time because he’s one of the few coaches that doesn’t tow the company line in an interview and tells it like it is.

  118. Farmer was caught red-handed. Brady was “probably generally aware of someone else probably doing something”.

    As for your 2006 comment, the league can;t punish a guy because some internet yahoo like you has a wacko theory. They need proof.
    ___________
    Sharpfootball’s website is the one with the theory. And it’s a good one. “Internet yahoo.” Please. Those text messages don’t lie. Plus, Brady won’t provide his texts, meaning he has something to hide. If he could’ve exonerated himself, he would have.

  119. The rest of the league lost all respect for new england after they were caught cheating during spy gate. At this point after being caught cheating again any previously marginalized success they may have had is completely irrelevant.

  120. What is the problem with a GM texting coaches during a game? Is an advantage gained by doing so? If so, the league had better check text messages by the Patriots, because you can bet they are bending if not breaking every rule in the league.

  121. Pettine is AFC North.

    AFC North…They hit hard and don’t cheat.

    AFC East…They don’t hit and they cheat hard.

  122. So throw in a wrinkle each game, have the refs take the bag of balls from each team and swap them….just for giggles.

    He’s been playing soft for so many years, I’m wondering if Brady can even throw a properly inflated ball, probably sail like a Phil Neikro knuckleball.

  123. Hey Mike Pettine…you’re a glorified high school football coach who was lucky enough to parlay a middling reality show into a mediocre NFL coaching career. Don’t ever think for a moment that you are actually in the NFL for any other reason. You haven’t won a single thing and are lucky to be in the same league as Tom Brady.

    Oh yeah, and since your own team has been penalized for cheating you really don’t have a leg to stand on regarding this incident either. Good luck when you are the assistant special teams coach at Popcorn State in a few years you clown.

  124. He’s a man and he offered an answer to a question. One would think Pats fans are used to getting their feelings hurt in the past several days, but guess not.

    Keep saying how bad the Browns are. Some other coach you might know didn’t do too well there.

  125. WHO ON EARTH OTHER THAN MIKE PETTINE’S FAMILY CARES WHAT HE THINKS? HE ONLY GOT THE CLEVELAND JOB CAUSE NO ONE WANTED IT AND ONCE THEY BECOME A GOOD TEAM THEY WILL HIRE A REAL COACH.. HE WAS A A D COORDINATOR ON THE JETS WHERE REX CALLED ALL THE PLAYS, AND HIS GM ON CLEVELAND IS CALLING THE PLAYS VIA TEXT FROM THE OWNERS BOX. THIS GUY HAS SOME BALLS.

  126. “He’s been playing soft for so many years, I’m wondering if Brady can even throw a properly inflated ball, probably sail like a Phil Neikro knuckleball.”
    =================================
    I guess you missed the 2nd half of that Colts game and that game 2 weeks later.

  127. I lost all respect for Mike Pettine when he coaches a bunch of wussies that dont stand up for their teammates that kicked in the face by their rival.

    This guy has a comment for everything. This guy is a clown. Hes a joke of a coach.

    Im pretty sure Tom Brady couldnt give a rats behind about Mike Pettine.

  128. It’s good to hear someone giving an honest opinion and not making excuses or using semantics to skirt around the issue

  129. This guy stuck his foot in his mouth. Did he forget what his GM did. I don’t respect a coach that makes a decision based on the MEDIA. How did Johnny work out for you.

  130. Least Pettine can lay claim to something TB can’t. Pettine never cheated and lied to gain a SB berth!

  131. Don’t worry, Mike. Brady will probably line up against your squad at least once more before you get fired…and show you what respect means.

  132. bullcharger says:
    May 8, 2015 2:19 PM
    “Even if he is 100% guilty, which is not what the report says, it isn’t worse than taking Steroids. Steroids and HGH are illegal drugs that give players a massive advantage. ”

    What a ridiculous statement.

    A deflated ball helps ALL of the Patriots Receivers.
    A deflated ball helps ALL of the Patriot RBs.
    A deflated ball helps 1/2 of the Patriot football team.

    A deflated ball is MUCH MUCH worse than one individual taking steroids.

  133. bullcharger says:
    May 8, 2015 2:19 PM
    “Even if he is 100% guilty, which is not what the report says, it isn’t worse than taking Steroids. Steroids and HGH are illegal drugs that give players a massive advantage. ”

    What a ridiculous statement.

    How many other Patriot team employees are complicit and involved in a cover up of the illegal deflation that may have occurred over many years?
    The Center?
    The ball boys?
    The WRs?
    The Coach

    How many Ravens team employees were complicit and involved with Haloti Ngata taking Steroids?

    Haloti had a 4 game suspension and he complied fully.

    Brady and Bellichek should get a season suspension for repeat offenders.

  134. I’ve lost respect for Pettine, because having Josh McCown as the starting QB throwing to Dwayne Bowe and Brian Hartline is cheating the fans who expect a real NFL team.

  135. jnbnet says:
    May 8, 2015 1:59 PM

    Brady is still # 1

    )))))))))))))))))))))))))

    He never was #1.

  136. Where would Joe (the 9ers) be without Rice? Not one legal catch in his career.

    This makes the point best. Where would Tom (the Pats) be without deflate-gate? Not one legal pass in his career.

    Only the short-sighted think this happened in one game. The semi-sighted might think it happened all last season; but the most likely theory is that Brady’s been doing this for the last 10+ years…almost certainly since before his altruistic “betterment of the game” crusade to allow teams to bring their own balls to away games. So…

    How many of those games did this affect?

    How many games were won because of this factor?

    What would their W/L record have been over the last 10+ seasons?

    Who’s to say whether they would have won the AFC East all those times?

    How would it have affected their Playoff Seeding?

    How would it have affected their advancement in Playoff games, which are win-or-go-home?

  137. Funny, he didn’t lose enough respect for Joe haden to not play him. Good luck with this guy Cleveland. A guy who hasn’t won a damn thing chirping from up on high.

  138. i have to say, I think people are making a much bigger deal about this than I expected. Sure, I thought Brady would get a suspension, and 4 game seems about right. But not because of what he did, more because of the lies and coverup attempt.

    But I consider this more like ‘breaking a rule,’ than actually cheating. The ‘edge’ that a mildly deflated football gives a team is so SMALL.

    Holding by the O-lineman is breaking a rule of the game. But would you qualify it as CHEATING? No. Deflating a ball isn’t much more impactful on the results of a game than an O-lineman holding a bunch of times and not getting caught.

    Let me put it this way…do you think Brady would have been suspended ANY games, if he just came out early on and said, ‘sure, I had the guys deflate the balls a bit. I thought everyone did that when it was cold, because the balls get so hard in the cold weather.’ ?

    I don’t. I think the 4 games is more about his lying and trying to get the assistants to lie about it.

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