Wilson, Seahawks apparently far apart

AP

As the Seahawks and quarterback Russell Wilson continue to negotiate a new deal with not much happening by way of actual negotiation and with Wilson possibly issuing periodic passive-aggressive tweets about the situation, one thing is clear: There’s a fundamental disagreement between the two sides about how much he should make.

Danny O’Neil of 710 ESPN in Seattle explains the situation via a question-and-answer aimed at addressing the biggest topics relating to the lingering financial impasse.

Most importantly, O’Neil reports that the Seahawks have a four-year offer on the table with a value that is “believed to be worth closer to $80 million” than $100 million.

If the number is $80 million over four years, that means Wilson would get $81.5 million over five, an average of $16.3 million per year.  And that’s far below market value.

It’s also far below what Wilson will earn if he plays out the last year of his contract and forces the Seahawks to use the franchise tag in 2016, 2017, and perhaps 2018. Then the question becomes whether they’d use the non-exclusive tag, which would pay him roughly $20 million but give another team the chance to swipe him for two first-round picks, or the exclusive franchise tag, which would pay up to $25 million.

With a 20-percent increase in the second year and a 44-percent increase in the third, Wilson could make close to $100 million in three years under the exclusive version of the tag.

Those numbers necessarily become part of the negotiation, since Wilson can unlock multiple years of huge money if he’s willing to carry the injury risk in 2015 and thereafter on a year-to-year basis.

At this point, it’s hard to see a deal getting done any time soon, barring a major concession by one side or the other. Wilson has too much leverage once he gets beyond 2015, and Wilson currently doesn’t seem to be inclined to provide a “Go Hawks” discount.

83 responses to “Wilson, Seahawks apparently far apart

  1. The Seahawks will have had a number of super cheap seasons return on him. I do not feel sorry for them in any way. Wilson is fully entitled to cash in. Hard to think of player who has achieved so much for relatively so few dollars in recent memory!!!

  2. Why should he provide any kind of discount? Remember when the general consensus was that he was vastly underpaid due to the rookie wage scale contract? Remember when the general consensus was that he would be richly rewarded for his “sacrifice”?

    Time to pay up or shut up.

  3. No problem.. if Romo doesn’t win the superbowl this year Jerry will make Wilson an offer he can’t refuse… I wouldn’t be surprised if the 2 of them are already negotiating for 2016 if the Hawks can’t afford the franchise tag price.

  4. Is he really that elite? Many would say no and a product of their team’s key personnel. That contract whether $80 or $100 million will leverage that team back to nonresistance…

  5. In that picture you selected, it looks like Russell Wilson is hungry for some Seattle Seahawks salary cap space.

  6. It will be interesting to see how the Hawks manage the cap moving forward once Wilson is no longer under his rookie contract — lots of hungry mouths to feed over there.

  7. The Seahawks reign as one of the top teams leagues in the league will end when they have to pay their QB like every one else.

  8. Why would he provide discount? He is still really young for a QB and he has already been in two Superbowls.
    He has been paid way under-market for a QB because of the current rules.
    Discounts are giving by older players hoping to hold on and remain competitive for another year or two.

    There would probably be at least 12+ teams who would pay a competitive price.

  9. Wilson is not an elite QB, but wants to be paid as one- that’s the central problem.

    $15m / year is more than plenty for Wilson.

    As a passer, Wilson is rated in the middle of the pack by PFF. Not exactly elite.

  10. Seahawks FO have seen what guys like Joe Flacco and even Drew Brees did to their teams with those crippling contracts. And you can easily argue Brees is a better QB. Not saying Wilson is bad at all but they’re not gonna pay him what he and many bandwagon Hawks fans think he’s worth. He isn’t THAT good.

    They know what they’re doing.

  11. there is a disconnect because the Seahawks know who he is. a mediocre passer that gets by with an elite defense and running game. how many times have you seen Wilson on a 5 step drop, read a defense and throw to this third option? never.

    most of his passes are near the line of scrimmage, or after he has broken the pocket and run around long enough for the defense to break down. its backyard football. he isn’t even worth the $$ they are offering.

    Don’t buy into the media hype about this guy. Would you really trust Wilson to win a game for you that required him to throw the ball a lot and get over 300 yards? I wouldn’t.

    He is what he is. a glorified game manager.

  12. What a steal! Wilson is asking for $100 mil contract for handing the ball of to Lynch and letting the defense win games. He is going to rob that franchise back to oblivion.

  13. I think that Wilson and the Hawks may not be so far apart as som would like to believe. They are not going to pay too much below the going rate for a QB who has taken them to 2 SB appearances and a win in one of them in his first 3 seasons.

    People can yammer back and forth about the defense blah,blah,blah. But Wilson contributes a great deal and gets the Hawks to the playoffs each year.

    Stats, schmats! Marino had great stats. Tarkington had great stats.

    If the Hawks continue to win SB with Wilson throwing for 3,000 yds a year and 21 TD’s vs 5-6 Int, and then running for another 500-600 yds and 3-4 TD’s who cares?

    The arguments used against Wilson are used in defense of other QB’s. They don’t have a run game, or they don’t have a great defense.

  14. “Seahawks FO have seen what guys like Joe Flacco and even Drew Brees did to their teams with those crippling contracts.”

    They did? This contract offer comes very close to those.

  15. Rodgers cap hit over the life of his contract is 17.5 million. Wilson’s offer averages higher than that which is ridiculous.

    If he was an elite passer, I could see it. But he’s not. At least not yet. He’d be middle of the pack if he wasn’t on a team without a strong defense and run game.

  16. I think it’s smart for the Seahawks to take a wait and see approach with Wilson. If in fact he lights it up this year, then use the non-exclusive tag and potentially get two first rounders for a guy who was a third round pick. Russell Wilson is a very good QB who fits his system extremely well, but he’s yet to show that he is “elite”, to borrow a Joe Flacco term.

  17. Wilson had the worst starting receivers in the NFL last year and still was able to make plays. Seattle’s only option is to pay the man. 7 to 10 teams would gladly give up 2 first round picks for a proven play maker. For all of you naysayers, please list all the QB’s who are better. Maybe 5…. maybe.

  18. The belief that paying Wilson fair market value and what he has earned will cripple his team is totally unfounded. How is it that several other teams are able to pay their starting QB what the market will bear and still filed a playoff, even championship calibre team?

    Every single time a player takes one for the team, that player ends up getting screwed.

  19. Oddly, I agree with about everything everyone is saying sans Wilson going to Dallas. They are already are on the hook for massive contracts to their secondary and their LT bill will come due soon if they keep him.
    Should be interesting on how they will play the cap game.
    And yes, everyone is correct on how a 20 mil average salary will affect them down the road. They’ve drafted well as of late and better not miss on the young talent going forward.

  20. I’ve been a Russell Wilson “elite-talk” skeptic before, but even I know, that team does not get to where they were without his upper-tier game-management skills and uncanny ability to extend the play.

    When you have a QB who wins you games, you pay them.

  21. Wilson had the worst starting receivers in the NFL last year and still was able to make plays. Seattle’s only option is to pay the man. 7 to 10 teams would gladly give up 2 first round picks for a proven play maker. For all of you naysayers, please list all the QB’s who are better. Maybe 5…. maybe.

    —————

    are they the worst or a product of playing in a running offense with a QB that cant deliver them the ball on routes?

    5 QBs better than Wilson? are you serious…there are a lot. of course you don’t so since you buy into the media hype for the RB/QB Wilson. but here it goes, in no particular order:

    Brees
    Manning
    Manning
    Brady
    Romo
    Big Ben
    Flacco
    Rivers
    Luck
    Rodgers

    there, that was an easy 10 QBs better than him

    I would basically put Wilson on the level of Kaepernick, Newton, Foles, Dalton and Stafford to be honest.

    he is around a #15 type guy in the NFL.

  22. Would a team give up 2 #1 picks for Wilson?

    Lets say Wilson is “pretty good, but not great”.

    Look at the Jets – #1 pick invested in Mark Sanchez = Bust, #2 pick in Geno Smith = Bust. 6 years wasted.

    Would you give up two #1s rather than speculate yet again?
    Would you rather overpay Russel Wilson 2MM per year, or “save money” with a constant flow of bad rookie QBs.

    Look at the Browns – and how many #1 picks they’ve wasted on QB. Two #1s is worth it.

    The question for Seattle is – do they have a viable alternative? If they have an “average” QB. locked in for 5 years at 16MM/year, it might be worth it to keep him, rather than Wilson at 25MM/year. Maybe.
    But they don’t have this “average” QB , so they have to gamble and draft one.

    I think they will get a deal done, but it won’t be for 4 more years at 20/year. They will have to pay more.

    Otherwise the Brown’s / Jets / Bills / etc will pay his asking price.

  23. The only people who want to see Wilson overpaid is fans from other teams who want to see the Seahawks demise… thats the bottom line.

    The fact is Wilson is great he is great for the environment and great for football.. But he has to be realistic especially if he wants to continue a championship team..

    In no way has Wilson proved that he can carry the team on his own, like a Manning Rodgers or Brady… Not even Brees could do it… The Saints bought into overpaying a QB and look at where it got them.

    We love Wilson to death he has been an ultra positive influence in Seattle but come on man, set a new standard for the NFL…. Show that its not always just about the money but it is about the team and winning lombardi’s

    Also… Just a side note, isnt greed one of the 7 deadly sins? I thought Wilson besides Tebow would be one of the guys in the NFL that would know that.

  24. This is the problem when you win with a young team. Contracts expire and guys either get a raise and stay or walk for big money. At a certain point the team can’t afford everyone and hit the cap. When Wilson gets his new deal it will mean others have to go.

    The teams that always compete for titles have figured out how to manage the cap and make the tough decisions. The Seahawks haven’t been good long enough to have to go through it yet.

  25. Question – Put Wilson on a team like Cleveland. Does that make CLE a legit contender for a SB?

    No.

    Put Rodgers on a team like CLE and they ARE a legit contender for a SB.

    That’s the difference and the salary should reflect it.

  26. are they the worst or a product of playing in a running offense with a QB that cant deliver them the ball on routes?

    5 QBs better than Wilson? are you serious…there are a lot. of course you don’t so since you buy into the media hype for the RB/QB Wilson. but here it goes, in no particular order:

    Brees
    Manning
    Manning
    Brady
    Romo
    Big Ben
    Flacco
    Rivers
    Luck
    Rodgers

    there, that was an easy 10 QBs better than him

    I would basically put Wilson on the level of Kaepernick, Newton, Foles, Dalton and Stafford to be honest.

    he is around a #15 type guy in the NFL.

    _____________________

    I wouldnt say Flacco or Eli are better dude.. In fact Eli and the Giants are almost a Mirror of the Seahawks.. Or vice versa…. They wont their superbowls on a super stout D that Tom created, once that demised they go 6-10 every year.

  27. 80 million divided by 4 years is 20 mil per year. You can’t add the existing year remaining because that’s the old contract. The new contract pays 20/year. The problem is everyone wants to look at contract talks in a convoluted way.

  28. Most wins in 1st 3 seasons in NFL history.
    #2 all-time in regular season passer rating.
    #5 all-time in post season passer rating.
    Tied with Payton Manning and Dan Marino as the only players in NFL history with 50 or more TD passes in 1st 2 seasons.
    Peyton Manning and Dan Marino.
    84 TD passes in his 1st 3 seasons. More than Tom Brady.
    Tom Brady.
    Most playoff wins in last 3 seasons.
    Most wins in last 3 seasons.
    2 Super Bowl appearances, 1 Super Bowl victory.
    11-1 against other Super Bowl QBs.
    Yeah, Wilson’s not elite…

  29. And for all you salary cap trolls, the Seahawks have $39 million in cap space in 2016 and $63 million in 2017. Wilson contract or the franchise tag will not be a problem.

  30. Wilson is a good but not great QB. He should be paid that way so the 4 year 80 mil sounds about right. After all, his stats whether you use the QBR or what the computer clowns at PFF compile, he’s about in the 12-15 range among the starters. Yes Seahawk fan, he has a ring but so do Trent Dilweed, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, and Brad Johnson. Good QB, great running game and defense and that’s the formula.

  31. Should’ve traded for a couple of first rounders. One this year (TEN) and drafted Marriota, and let the chips fall for next years first from them. Wilson is a great QB in this system. Mobile, good decisions, and doesn’t turn the ball over. That doesn’t make him the franchise. Elite-NO, Franchise-NO, important-yes.

  32. Wilson should not take a discount. The discount was his rookie contract. He should be paid fairly. A contract can be manipulated in such a way to keep cap hit down, in order for the team to still be able to operate

  33. Seattle knows their recent run has been possible because of the money they have to spend on the rest of the team. If they let Wilson play out the last year of his contract, they have another year of depth and ability to sustain the recent success for at least one more year. On top of that Wilson is not going anywhere, as they can always franchise him the next season.

    Although, with that said, it is fun to hear the 12s make excuses for their team leader as, to a person, they thought he would play for no money at all because he loves the 12s and the game too much to risk that. Also the constant laughing at the Kaepernick’s contract from last year, karma hurts.

  34. Wilson is a system qb at the moment. How would the Seahawks do if he were injured for the season? Compare to the Patriots, how did they do when Brady was out for the year (11-5)? How about the Colts when Manning was out (2-14)? Do the ‘Hawks sink to a 2-14 record without Wilson? I think not.
    Pay the man $10 -14MM because, at the moment, that is his value, with incentives to juice it up.

  35. Have to side with the player on this one. He’s been grossly underpaid but has never once publicly complained, unlike all the divas on that team who are crying about their salary seemingly every off season.

    He’s been a model QB, team face, leader, stayed healthy and out of trouble, and has gotten them to back to back Super Bowls. His efficiency numbers and W-L record is absurdly good. Without him, they’re the Bills of the west, great D with no QB and no shot of going anywhere. It wasn’t his fault they called that stupid play in the big game. Pay the man.

  36. 4 years at 80 million is “far below market value”? I disagree. Wilson is good, not great, and I think that team could’ve won the SB with just about any starting qb in the league…..

  37. It’s funny to watch Seattle fans knock Wilson after kissing his butt for 3 years.

  38. If it wasn’t for the packers woeful performance in the last 5 minutes of the NFCCG the biggest story coming out of that game would’ve been Wilson’s 4 int’s and him costing the team the game. Hawk, Dix and Bostick are the only reasons no one talks about it.

  39. 2016 Seahawks will be the 2014 49ers. We had to pay Kap, you’ll have to pay Wilson. Each team will now have to hit on their draft picks and find studs on rookie contracts to continue/re-establish their greatness. Only time will tell.

  40. purpleguy says:

    It will be interesting to see how the Hawks manage the cap moving forward once Wilson is no longer under his rookie contract — lots of hungry mouths to feed over there.
    ———————————————————-
    Except for Wilson, Wagner, and maybe Okung, all the Seahawks key players are already signed.

  41. How is he so underpaid / given a discount for his CBA mandated rookie contract? That $$ value is irrelevant, as no FO is going to overpay on the 2nd contract to ‘make up’ for the value they got during the rookie deal.

    Seems the $20m year deal is more than fair IMHO. As a Hawk fan, I obviously want him to stay, but also want the FO to be fiscally smart in doing so.

    It still boggles my mind how the top tier of marketable athletes such as Wilson, still insist on pushing the absolute boundaries of what they get paid by their respective teams when they make as much and in some cases MORE with their endorsement deals on the side. I mean as a human being, what is it that you can do with your life making $22m per year that you *can’t* do making $20m per year?

    GO HAWKS!

  42. Mr. Craig says:
    May 8, 2015 10:07 AM
    No problem.. if Romo doesn’t win the superbowl this year Jerry will make Wilson an offer he can’t refuse… I wouldn’t be surprised if the 2 of them are already negotiating for 2016 if the Hawks can’t afford the franchise tag price.
    ********************
    Love to see it, since that would be tampering.

  43. kurdishpats1 says:
    May 8, 2015 10:19 AM

    Malcolm Butler cost RW at LEAST $30M-$40M.

    Go Pats.
    ______________________________

    No doubt!! I was thinking that exact same thing after the game!!

    He makes that throw and he gets the kitchen sink.

  44. But Russell Wilson won a Super Bowl, waahhh. And he also single handedly lost one with the worst pass in the history of the 2-minute drill. To say he is average is an overstatement.

    But before the Seachicken fans get riled up, admitting Wilson is average is a compliment to the rest of the team for carrying his weight this far this fast.

  45. Russ seems to be putting himself before the team. The Seahawks have no leverage with Tavaris Jackson still unsigned and they didn’t draft a QB. I guess BJ Daniels and RW have similar skill sets but BJ isn’t proven at all.

  46. Take away Marshawn Lynch and this guy is exposed as a joke…

    5 picks in a conference title game against an awful defense, a pick against the Patriot’s 4th string DB?

    ugh – get real Wilson, that’s Marshawn’s money.

  47. He is 0-9 when his defense gives up more than 25 points. Which is really close to the average.
    So if the Seahawks had an average defense they would be terrible.
    I say overpay him cause he is worth it.

    Can’t wait Sherman to go down and Simon to be the starter.

  48. Seahawks are doing their due diligence and have to respect Wilson for negotiating tough. Wouldn’t expect different from either side, but do expect them to agree on a long term deal before the start of this season. Its a business and this part is important for both camps.

  49. The guy is a very good QB, give him his due.

    He is more than a Cog in the machine.

    However, if I am Seattle, I would hold off on breaking the bank, for any player on the roster, in an effort to keep the core together for as long as possible and make a run at the title…

  50. seahawkboymike says:
    May 8, 2015 10:57 AM

    And for all you salary cap trolls, the Seahawks have $39 million in cap space in 2016 and $63 million in 2017. Wilson contract or the franchise tag will not be a problem.

    Well, let’s see..as it stands now they currently have about 11.3 mill in cap space for this year so unless you backload the contract that won’t work if they sign him to a new deal this year. Now if you backload it that means more cap space he takes up in future years which will take up half the “39 million” in cap space you claim they will have next year. So, are you still claiming it won’t cause a problem with or you just being a typical Homer?

  51. Stick it to the league and that pathetic franchise tag.
    Someone finally turn the tables on the owners/teams/league and get the money year to year.

    Franchise tag was created to protect teams to kee their stars. Not benefitting players.
    Now a player has the upper hand. Milk it Wilson. Milk it!!!

  52. While there are better quarterbacks when you have a good offensive line, no other quarterback could have won Superbowl 48 with the Seahawks. Almost every other quarterback would have gotten killed behind that line. And the few others who had the quickness to escape (eg Kaepernick) do not have the instincts he has.

  53. DO SEAHAWKS FANS love Russell Wilson MORE than they love the Seahawks?

    And HOW TO assess the VALUE of Russell Wilson? As a LIFELONG SEAHAWKS FAN I can say this:

    I love Russell Wilson, BUT: Football is a TEAM sport and ANY player who insists on taking up so much salary cap that it makes the TEAM suck is NO LONGER VALUABLE to the team REGARDLESS of his on-field performance.

    When I read comments and listen to “experts” talk about “market value” and all that “Wilson DESERVES”: They tend to almost always be talking in terms of what OTHER teams with “MVP caliber” QB’s are doing. The problem with that logic is that the Seahawks are not other teams, they don’t do things the same way other teams do them and haven’t for a long time. Non-Seahawks fans seem to talk a lot about how “lucky” the Seahawks have been to “enjoy” getting exceptional value out of Wilson while on his rookie contract, here’s the thing: There’s no luck about it, that was INTENTIONAL and the Seahawks are NOT going to change their (very effective) approach to winning for ANY one player when it comes to the TEAM SPORT of football.

    At the end of the day, THE question it all comes down to for Seahawks fans (and anyone else who’s interested) is:

    Does Russell Wilson want to be the richest looser in the NFL, OR does he want to make “only” $10M-$15M (approx) per year and WIN a lot of games and more Super Bowls? Does he agree with those who say he “deserves” an overinflated salary, OR is he going to accept a TEAM-oriented salary…and make up the difference in his income through higher-value endorsements which champions get throughout their career?

    He had better keep thinking in terms of what is best for the team, because not even the greatest magician to ever play QB can do very much if he’s spending his Sunday’s on his butt due to his Offensive Line sucking. And unless he’s so super human that he can score 100 points per game, he had BETTER have a great defense.

  54. I will counsel patience for all the 12’s. It will all get worked out, in the end. Wilson will make more than we fans are comfortable with, in regards to the cap, but he has already earned it, and will continue to do so in the future.

    Schneider has mentioned ‘thinking outside the box’ with regards to Wilson’s compensation, and apparently that takes a little longer.

    I have predicted a fully guaranteed contract for 6 years at something like $15 mil, and a $15-$20 mil signing bonus. That’s over $100 million in his pocket, no take-backs if his production drops off or, God forbid, he gets injured. Not too shabby, and still ‘team friendly’.

    I still think it will be something along those lines, only with a higher base figure, maybe $16.5 per year.

  55. “Wilson had the worst starting receivers in the NFL last year and still was able to make plays”

    You can stop with the “no weapons” excuse. Wilson has had Sidney Rice, Percy harvin, golden Tate, Zach Miller at his disposal and could do nothing with them, they were all pro bowl players before/after playing with Wilson. Percy was considered an MVP candidate at one point with ponder as his qb!

    Wilson is at best an average passer in this league, he throws up prayers and hopes his tall receivers can come down with them. look at the sb, all of his deep passes were to extremely well covered wr’s and they had to make magical and bobbling catches, and of course Wilson got all the credit. Yet when he threw the pick to lose the game who got the blame?….. Not Wilson.

  56. It’s funny that people actually say things like, “He’s a glorified game manager.” That’s just ignorant. He’s a good passer, but not great. What makes him him special are the intangibles: pocket awareness, extending plays with his legs while keeping his eyes down the field, leadership, football smarts. You know how many teams would love to have him as their “game manager?” You don’t think a team like the Jets, or Bears, or Bills, or Texans, or Bucs, Redskins, Browns, Titans, Jags etc., wouldn’t want a Russell Wilson on their team? C’mon. Get real. He’s definitely earned a big contract, but not a top-tier contract. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds.

    – Not a Hawks fan

  57. He just led the team to back to back Super Bowls. If they weren’t going to pay him, they should have traded him on draft day.

  58. goingthextramile says:
    May 8, 2015 10:30 AM
    All Russell Wilson does is win.

    ————————

    They said that about Alex Smith too.

    Like RW, all he is, is average.

  59. Kaepernik, Matty Ice (Ryan), Roamo [sic] all getting over $50M “guaranteed”. I mean, Sam Bradford got that on his draft day lol For one (1) SB win, followed up with another trip to The Big Game — I’d say Wilson deserves at least $70M “guaranteed”.

  60. Both sides will eventually reach an agreement because they need each other. Wilson needs the Seahawks because they have an excellent defense which helps him win games. The Seahawks need Wilson because his mobility allows them to get away with a below average offensive line. Some of the money they save from not paying anyone except Okung on the line should go to Wilson.

  61. “It’s funny to watch Seattle fans knock Wilson after kissing his butt for 3 years”

    Hint: The vast majority of those knocking Wilson are not Seattle fans.

  62. Yawn. Nothing new here. Just postering.
    Seattle already has got Jimmy Graham, even given up a first round pick for the guy, and then drafted explosive slant back Tyler Lockette. These guys will be weapons for Mr. Wilson.
    He’s not going anywhere and will be paid somewhere between what ‘elites’ are going for and the 18-20 million dollar range.

  63. If I were Wilson, I might take the deal. He would reach free agency again at age 31, which as we’ve seen, is not too late for a QB to get a massive contract. He could even argue for a 3-year, $60 million extension that’s near fully guaranteed and become a FA again at age 30 in 2019. It may be in his best interest to do a short deal, continue to prove his worth, and then sign the big extension afterwards. If Joe Flacco can successfully bet on himself, I’m sure Russell Wilson can.

  64. Russell is Seattle business. Newsflash: Not yours. Deal with it!

    The deal gets done when it gets done. That’s all you need to know. You’ve zero control when it’s done or how much. Just know Russell will earn more in one season than you’ll earn in several lifetimes. Painful, but true.

    Move on dot org

  65. “he is around a #15 type guy in the NFL.”
    ——-
    Uh-huh. And 31 QB’s in the NFL have NOT recently been in back to back SB’s.

    What say ye now? Crickets, I know.

  66. Suggesting the SB final throw caused the interception is nonsense. Lockett lolly gagged his way on the route. Had Lockette ran the route quickly he catches the ball long before what’s his face even gets there.

    Folks see what they want to see. Pat’s fans don’t want to acknowledge that for to do so they feel lessens their win. Same with Lynch should have been allowed to run the ball.

    Fact is, anyone with half a brain knows you don’t throw a pass to the defense interior, but instead you throw a pass to a route where only your guy can catch it. The entire right 1/3 of the field was unoccupied on that formation. Heck if RW rolls out he runs it in…Browner’s not catching him.

    We’re over it…On to Santa Clara!

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