Yee continues to spread misinformation about #DeflateGate

AP

Patriots quarterback Tom Brady hasn’t said anything substantial about the Ted Wells report.  The man who represents him has said plenty.  And plenty of it is misleading and incorrect.

On Thursday night, Yee offered up a flimsy explanation for Brady’s refusal to surrender his cell phone during an appearance on CNN. On Friday, Yee provided an inaccurate interpretation of the potential penalties for tampering with a football during an appearance on The Dan Patrick Show.

At one point, in an obvious effort to downplay the violation, Yee said that the penalty for tampering with footballs is only a fine of $25,000.  And that’s just false.

“I believe that the rule book has a fine for tampering with footballs, and the fine amount is $25,000,” Yee told Dan Patrick. “Which in today’s NFL is fairly small, relative to some of the other fines that have been given out.”

Here’s the exact language of the rule, as quoted at page 35 of the Wells report: “Once the balls have left the locker room, no one, including players, equipment managers and coaches are allowed to alter the footballs in any way. If any individual alters the footballs, or if a non-approved ball is used in the game, the person responsible and, if appropriate, the head coach or other club personnel will be subject to discipline, including but not limited to, a fine of $25,000.”

The key words are “including but not limited to.” That’s a very common phrase that appears in thousands of statutes and rules and regulations. It means that the punishment can be greater than a $25,000 fine. And Yee, a graduate of the University of Virginia School of Law, surely knows that.

Yee also tried to downplay the findings by focusing on the “more probable than not” language contained in the report, calling the findings of the report “essentially a coin flip.” But those words — “more probable than not” — represent the NFL’s legal standard for finding a violation of the rules regarding the integrity of the game. It doesn’t mean that Wells flipped a coin or threw a dart. It means that the evidence satisfied the legal standard that the NFL has put in place to determine whether a violation happened.

That’s the same legal standard that applies in most civil lawsuits: Preponderance of the evidence, which means more probable than not. Over the years, billions of dollars have changed hands via the court system based on that standard.

The good news for Yee is that he chose to steer clear of the basis for Brady’s decision to not surrender his cell phone. While that continues to be the most important question for Brady, it’s better not to explain it at all than to explain it poorly.

227 responses to “Yee continues to spread misinformation about #DeflateGate

  1. Tom Brady is a sniveling coward. Man up to what you did and pay less of penalty or continue to lie with a smile and hurt your team with a longer suspension. I think Tom cares more about his image than his teammates, so he will continue to lie an deflect.

  2. Brady*, just come clean. You’re gonna end up like Clemens, Bonds, Rose,Braun,etc. You’re gonna take down others by having them lie for you. It must be exhausting for you. The truth shall set you free, although your legacy is still forever tainted.

    *Denotes Cheater

  3. No matter how reprehensible off field behavior is it occurs off the field. Still the suspensions are warranted and well deserved.

    This however directly changed the outcome of the football game and challenges the integrity of the game.

    Anything less than what the suspension is for first time offenders with performance enhancing drugs would be a joke.

    After all if this wasn’t performance enhancing, they wouldn’t of done it.

    And Mr. Belichick, Sean Payton on line 1, he says “Ignorance is not an excuse.”

  4. Did Brady get this guy’s number off of a park bench or the side of a bus?

    The cover up is what is going to cost Brady the most.

  5. Yee wanted to cast an image in the lemmings’ minds of a 50.1:49.9 ratio. Here are some more examples of “more probable than not”…

    60:40
    75:25
    99:1

    Try thinking on those.

  6. Here’s a question for all you Patriot/Tom Brady haters. If an under inflated football is such an advantage, why did Andrew Luck have his footballs inflated to 13 pounds and not the legal allowable low limit? To make it extra extra hard to beat the Patriots?

  7. He cheated.
    He won the super bowl because of cheating.

    Now, what they are trying to do, is diminish the cheating…

    Why can’t you win the sb fair and square like the Ravens do?

  8. The real question is… WHY SHOULD Tom Brady have to?

    Brady was already presumed guilty in the annual NFL witchhunt. I wouldn’t want to give up all of my personal information, so that my personal life would be available for everyone to read about.

  9. No one in their right mind would surrender a personal phone to that dog and pony show. They cant keep a lid on anything.

  10. I think 8 games, a fine, regardless of the size will mean nothing to Brady. I say 8 games because, its clear to me that this matter is a multi year infraction, which no one is talking about.

  11. Perhaps he was referring that the baseline fine is ‘up to but not limited to 25K’ when most other fines in the NFL are ‘up to but not limited to much more than 25K’ inferring that most other infractions were of more import due to their higher baseline threshold.

  12. The Premier League needs to invade America… because… the nfl has lost the plot.

    Cheating patriots (endless examples)

    Cheating steelers (hgh/steroids, dr. rydze, and coaches stepping on the field)

    Cheating seahawks (“adderall”)

    What an embarrassment.

  13. If the end product was a $25,000 fine, no way does the NFL hire Wells for an investigation that went on for months. That’s like hiring a high profile attorney for a speeding ticket.

  14. Lets find out what the Colt punishment is for 3 or 4 balls deflated, why the refs stopped measuring those balls and who the ref was that cheated for the Jets by illegally over inflating the balls to 16 PSI before we start asking why someone wouldnt turn over a personal phone to these guys.

  15. I wonder what Yee would have to say about the fact the Patriots’ own ball attendant refers to himself as “the Deflator.”

    But really… you want a real “-gate”? Look into Belichick’s and the GM’s texts and phone conversations with Blount in the days before he got released by the Steelers.

  16. no other option when you are dead to rights…..he’s caught, so he has to try create confusion and doubt in the minds of the people who don’t understand all the legal terms

  17. This guy needs to just keep his mouth shut. He’s making Brady look worse the more he stupidly tries to convince people to defy common sense and logic. Patriot fans have had their heads up their a$$ for a decade so the people Yee is speaking to cant hear him anyway.

  18. It’s pretty comical that the vikings-panthers get caught doing this red handed and no one cares, but when Tom Brady and the Patriots “allegedly and probably-maybe sort of knew about a bit of it” everything gets turned up to a Spinal Tap volume 11.

    Yet we have PED abuse left, right and center. Domestic Violence gets a few game suspensions. Players drinking and driving and killing people and get a few game suspension (Leonard Little, Dante Stallworth), etc. Jim Irsay who is on the rules committee has been balling his billionaire eyes out for years about the Patriots, cause his colts can’t beat the Patriots. Guess what happens RULES get changed to favor him and Peyton, and eventually the beat the Patriots down the road and win a SB.

    Guess what. TB has the rings, hes going to the HOF and people will keep on hatin’ on him forever cause he is the GOAT. He should of pulled a Patrick Roy and said “I can’t hear you my superbowl rings are plugging my ears”

    *drops mic*

  19. Missinformation?? really.. Like you and dozens of others said about Chip Kelly offering the sun. the moon and the stars for Marcus Mariota…. which by the way Peter King debunked .

    There is Your “truth” ; Their “Truth”; and the “Real Truth somewhere in the middle. It is all about interpretation.

    This has to end it is getting ridiculous.

  20. Does anyone actually believe Yee is saying this stuff without first checking with his client on what to say?

    Brady needs more time to think about his reaction to the report? If it’s even possible, Brady loses more respect by the hour with his desperate efforts to avoid taking any responsibility.

    He’s acting like spoiled child who has never been held accountable for his actions. Too much irrational fan adulation can do that to you.

  21. I agree with this comment from another thread:

    “Florio, if the NFL asked to search Brady’s home during this investigation would you still be okay with it?

    With the NSA Spying and Patriot Act and all other horrible government abuses into our right to privacy, for you to come on here and complain about people deciding their own PERSONAL cell phones shouldn’t be poked and prodded and searched through is just laughable.

    Even if it’s not a “criminal” prosecution, that doesn’t mean you should just let your employer do whatever the heck he wants (like you are suggesting). What is this country coming to where a principle like personal freedom and privacy of your effects is seen as a bad thing?

    I’m with Brady on this. Even if he has nothing to hide, it doesn’t mean the NFL is entitled to view his personal effects.”

  22. The equest for access to Brady’s personal cell phone is the area where Yee SHOULD have focused rather on these bogus arguments about fines and legal standards of proof, which he should know about, but obviously doesn’t. It may be time for Brady to get a new representative.

  23. I love how Pats fans continue to try and squirm and try and justify what their beloved team, and boy, have done over the years. Spy gate? That wasn’t against the rules (yes, it was), it wasn’t cheating (yes, it was) and everyone else was doing it (possibly but even a five year old can be taught how ridiculous that statement is). Deflate gate? It didn’t change the outcome of the game! (No, but it could have – trying to cheat is the issue). But the Colts were underhanded (yeah, maybe they were, but how does that change the fact the Pats were cheating?). But Brady is entitled to privacy and the Pats are his employer so the NFL has no business getting into Brady’s business and he can take the fifth and … (Nice to see all of the high school drop outs try and link disconnected concepts together to string together an utterly incoherent line of thinking – but thanks for coming out).

    Your team cheats. They’ve been caught cheating multiple times now. It doesn’t matter if every other team does it. Your team is the only one dumb and arrogant enough to get caught. More than once.

    Enjoy your SBs. Every single tainted one of them.

  24. Anybody who claims Brady did absolutely nothing wrong either:

    (1) didn’t read the Wells Report; or

    (2) is engaging in willful blindness out of sheer loyalty to Brady.

    BTW: Jim Miller falls into the latter category. In fact, according to him not only is Brady innocent, but he and the Pats are the only victims here.

  25. I come from the land of innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The words “probable” and “general” don’t remove all shadow of doubt.

    Either way, Blount could have run in those TDs carrying a newborn baby, the inflation of the balls had nothing to do with it.

    SKOL

  26. I just heard that interview in the car, and I must say it sure is gratifying to open up PFT and see that at least ONE media outlet is willing to call BS on this guy.

    Such disingenuous garbage this guy was putting out there.

  27. I wonder what Yee would have to say about the fact the Patriots’ own ball attendant refers to himself as “the Deflator.”

    he had to deflate the balls down to legal from EX: 16 PSI by refs in Jets game. How else do you reduce the amt of air?

  28. Did Andrew Luck submit his cellphone?

    I mean the Colts balls were underinflated…

    Oh wait they didn’t check them all…

    It was just a Patriots witch hunt…

    The rest of the League doesn’t matter…

  29. You guys are taking this ball pressure stuff pretty hard… If I had heard about it from a 3rd party without looking at any media I would have figured this would have been a marginslized non issue, more of a laugh then anything. Kind of like when I heard jerry rice admits to using stickum.

  30. Meh. I don’t think either side looks particularly good on this issue.

    The Wells report itself has plenty of holes, contradictions and assumptions which, to me, don’t show it to be an unbiased, reliable document.

    If the Patriots or Brady (or both) are going to face sanctions, I sure wish there was a much stronger case than has been made. To me the conclusion reads like guilt was assumed going in.

  31. For the money he makes off Brady, I would lie, obfuscate, and even sound stupid.
    Kraft has already said the team would quietly accept whatever punishment the NFL hands down, while proclaiming their innocence. I suspect that he does not want himself, and his employees to have to testify under oath about this, or any other situation where they might have bent the rules. For example, suppose this deflating has been going on for 10 years? The repercussions for him could result in forced sale of the team.
    He will do whatever it takes to protect himself. If that entails throwing Brady under the bus, Tom better have his steel jacket on.

  32. I’m confused on the Brady cell phone thing… If they had both the Patriot’s employees phones, wouldn’t they be able to search for messages/calls to Brady’s phone number? I don’t know much about phone records but that seems like it would be pretty easy to do.

  33. No news here. Anyone who is a fan of an AFC East team and watches them play the patriots twice a year knows they have been cheating for a long time.

  34. This all could have been avoided if Robert Kraft had any integrity whatsoever. If Kraft really wanted to get to the bottom of this — like he claims — all he had to do was the very first day that this was made public, personally question Belichick, Brady, McNally, and Jastremski. It really could have been that simple.

    “Did you deflate the footballs before the AFCCG?”

    Would they all lie to Kraft? Granted, Brady would lie because he lied to Belichick and each and everyone of his teammates but would Jim “The Deflator” McNally and John Jastremski lie to Kraft? I don’t think so.

    Instead Kraft is still defiantly banging the drum on the temperature induced PSI changes and perpetuating the cover-up.

    O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive!

  35. Yee should follow his client’s advice: “they should read the rulebook”

    lets face it – the Patriots organization is run like a lot of people each of us knows in life – they are constantly testing the line between right & wrong, and at times cross that line. In my business, people like that are not respected in the least, and are considered shady, sleazy, etc…and that’s what i think of Kraft, Belicheat, the Golden Boy, and the whole lot of them. They are shady, sleazy, and will cross the line without care or concern…and they deserve no respect. I passionately hate the Steelers – but I respect them. the Patriots? Cheaters. Plain & simple. Their trophies mean nothing, except to those who care only about winning and not the means to getting there…

  36. Lets find out what the Colt punishment is for 3 or 4 balls deflated, why the refs stopped measuring those balls and who the ref was that cheated for the Jets by illegally over inflating the balls to 16 PSI before we start asking why someone wouldnt turn over a personal phone to these guys.
    ———————————————————-Again, Colts balls were not deflated, for God sake, read the report, is free. During the first measurement, from four balls tested, the minimun was 12.50 and the maximim 12.75 (for the Colts). From 11 tested-first test too, minimum was 10.90 and maximum 12.30 (for the Patriots). Minimun allowed is 12.5, so how the Colts balls were deflated? After adding air, by the end of the game first test for NE for 4 balls the range was 13.65 max and 13.35 min and for IND 12.90 max and 12.45 min. Patriots fans are going from complete denial to absolute homer.

  37. The Wells report included excerpts of the ball boys conversation with his mother for cripes sake. Yeah, these guys can be trusted. Oh, USA, what are you becoming? Sad.

  38. cruzy67 says:
    May 8, 2015 11:01 AM
    Here’s a question for all you Patriot/Tom Brady haters. If an under inflated football is such an advantage, why did Andrew Luck have his footballs inflated to 13 pounds and not the legal allowable low limit? To make it extra extra hard to beat the Patriots?
    _________________________________________

    Its all about intent and (poor) attempts to cover it up. I never claimed t*m br*dy was a smart man, I said he was a cheater.

  39. “He won the super bowl because of cheating.”

    Really ? Because deflategate happened before the SB and the balls in the SB were monitored like the gold at Fort Knox.

    So what cheating are you claiming the Pats engaged in in the SB ? When Brady, you know, torched the supposed best defense in the league with balls inflated to the max pressure ?

    Or you know, against the Colts where the score at halftime with the supposedly deflated balls was 17-7, and after halftime with fully inflated balls Brady torched Indy 24-0 ?

    All evidence shows Brady actually plays better with balls at max pressure.

  40. When a Tour de France winner is caught cheating… they take the title he won (due to cheating) away from him.

    It’s sad/embarrassing that France’s Tour de France is classier and has higher ethical standards than the United States nfl.

  41. These guys are obviously unaware of the old saying: “the cover up is always worse than the crime”…

  42. Brady will pull an ARod soon and cry a river on TV to Barbara Walters, he cheated all those years because he was drafted in the 6th round and needed to prove everyone wrong, he didn’t really mean to hurt anyone or cheat the entire NFL for over a decade, Bill always said it was ok.

    whhhhha aaaaaaa whhhhaaaaaa whhhhhaaa

    Barbara, pass me a tissue.

  43. This is a sad day for the University of Virginia School of Law. Can they revoke his diploma?

  44. hairpie2 says:
    May 8, 2015 11:01 AM
    No one in their right mind would surrender a personal phone to that dog and pony show. They cant keep a lid on anything.
    ______________________________________
    Im so sick of this arguement read the Wells report he didnt have to surrender his phone he was asked to submit emails and texts/calls pertaining to the case!!!!!! He could even run them through his lawyers 1st!!!!

  45. Brady is what you would call FINAL BOSS. Not just a level Boss. But King Bowser Fire Shooting out of his eyeballs save the princess end of game credits rolling…. See you in part 2 FINAL BOSS.

    #YOUDREAMHISREALITY

  46. I wonder what Yee would have to say about the fact the Patriots’ own ball attendant refers to himself as “the Deflator.”

    But really… you want a real “-gate”? Look into Belichick’s and the GM’s texts and phone conversations with Blount in the days before he got released by the Steelers.

    You do realize that once the Steelers released Blount that just about everyone was in line ahead of the Patriots to claim his services.
    So your theory is that the Patriots talked Blount into getting the Steelers to dump him and he did it with no certainty that anyone else was going to pick him up or at what price? With that sort of logic and analytical prowess, I bet you could get hired by Ted Wells!

  47. kenmasters34 says:
    May 8, 2015 11:01 AM
    The real question is… WHY SHOULD Tom Brady have to?

    Brady was already presumed guilty in the annual NFL witchhunt. I wouldn’t want to give up all of my personal information, so that my personal life would be available for everyone to read about.

    ___________________

    Because he was required to do to his contract which applies all the rules of the CBA which turning over your cell phone to the NFL is required if asked to do so. Tom Brady signed the contact and has to abide by it.

  48. Love it.. Bring the golden boy down.. Also love how pats fans continue bring up the fact colts had 4 balls under 10.5 psi just so they can some how justify they weren’t the only ones who cheated.. For all we the quote on quote deflater could have done it.. Really hope they all get punished weather they knew or not.. This is not the 1st time the pats broke rules and I’m sure it won’t be the last.. Brady seem like he knows he cought but won’t tell the truth.. Live and die with the lies I see.

  49. RavenzGunnerz says:
    May 8, 2015 11:01 AM
    He cheated.
    He won the super bowl because of cheating.

    Now, what they are trying to do, is diminish the cheating…

    Why can’t you win the sb fair and square like the Ravens do?

    LAME

  50. Read that report from cover to cover . Buried in there is a statement ( I am paraphrasing, buts it close) that the ” report can not say with absolute certantity that the balls were tampered with” . It’s there, look it up…..

  51. the guy referred to himself as the “deflator” in October, after a Jets game, when the game officials had pumped the balls up to 16 PSI – which is when Brady learned the balls needed to be between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI.

    But this was all in the report, and you’ve chosen to be mislead by the media. Sheep.

  52. By the way, I LOVE that picture you chose for this article. It reminds me of Baghdad Bob holding his hands up saying, “There is absolutely no truth to this rumor.”

  53. Pats fan – we understand, denial is just stage 1. Your team needs to cheat and it has been proven more than once. Just accept that is who the Pats are.

  54. A complete tool with a tin ear (does he realize how ludicrous he sounds?), but I guess he’s earning his money and trying to impress future clients with his doggedness.

    Based on Yee’s performances to date, I am hoping another SNL skit is in the works, pointing out just how stupid he sounds, like they did with Brady previously.

    One line of response: Mr Yee, you can consider a state trooper’s speed trap on the interstate a sting operation, no? Well, they don’t “sting” people driving the speed limit, just those breaking the law (by a pretty fair margin). How is this any different?

    YEE: Tom Brady has never gotten a speeding ticket! That’s slander right there!

  55. The NFL office is the biggest clown show in the country. No one in their right mind, let alone a major celebrity, should ever hand over to them their cell phone, texts, emails, or any other communications under any stipulations. They just simply can’t be trusted. Look at the steady (sometimes incorrect) leaks that continue to roll out from the NFL office. Look at the way in which the Wells report manipulates uncontexted (and unrelated) texts from the ballboys to paint them in a bad light.

  56. The real question is does the league value the integrity of it’s game more than off the field issues that possible affect sponsors. Looking at the punishment that Ray Rice and Peterson got for actions off the field, one would think Brady’s actions require the same amount of attention, for fans to believe that games are played on a level field and no benefit to either team in either officiating or equipment used. For someone to suggest that a small fine and all is good, is ridiculous. Look at some of the punishments handed out to the Saints coaches and players, tied to bountigate. Personally I believe this goes beyond Brady, and was known by the organization as well. I do not think that this was a one time thing, and for it to happen over time, others knew about it as well.

  57. kenmasters34 says:
    May 8, 2015 11:01 AM
    The real question is… WHY SHOULD Tom Brady have to?

    Brady was already presumed guilty in the annual NFL witchhunt.
    ———————-
    So, it is your contention that the “NFL” decided a great way to further their business was to select out one of their most popular owners and also one of their most high profile players for punishment and/or suspension? Is that what you’re saying?

  58. Cruzy67 asks:
    Here’s a question for all you Patriot/Tom Brady haters. If an under inflated football is such an advantage, why did Andrew Luck have his footballs inflated to 13 pounds and not the legal allowable low limit? To make it extra extra hard to beat the Patriots?
    Answer just like Tennis players like different string tension or a guitarist or you get the picture. I am not a hater but Brady is pulling a Casey Anthony here. He knows if he can create any doubt in the public eye he wins. That being said welcome to the world of PDI’s.

  59. all the people who don’t want to read the report but would rather spout boring irrelevant nonsense about ‘well I wouldn’t want MY phone turned over’…here’s a little help for you

    ‘we offered to allow Brady‟s
    counsel to screen and control the production so that it would be limited strictly to responsive
    materials and would not involve our taking possession of Brady‟s telephone or other electronic
    devices.’

  60. Let’s just pretend that this isn’t the NFL. It’s just a regular Joe being investigated for violations of company policy at any normal business.

    Company Rep: We need you to cooperate with our investigation.
    Average Joe: No.
    Company Rep: Ok. You’re fired.

    So, tell me again how YOU, Mr. Average Joe, would not turn over any cell phone records (that your attorney can cherry pick through) during an internal company investigation. Yes, you have no legal obligation to do so. But that doesn’t mean you are exempt from company penalties.

  61. thepatsrcheaters says:
    May 8, 2015 11:16 AM
    hairpie2 says:
    May 8, 2015 11:01 AM
    No one in their right mind would surrender a personal phone to that dog and pony show. They cant keep a lid on anything.
    ______________________________________
    Im so sick of this arguement read the Wells report he didnt have to surrender his phone he was asked to submit emails and texts/calls pertaining to the case!!!!!! He could even run them through his lawyers 1st!!!!
    ****************************************************

    What part of invasion of privacy do you not understand. Even police have to get a warrant FROM A JUDGE before searching your personal property. Otherwise it is called illegal search and seizure. The NFL does not have some special dispensation that allows them to effectively create a police state. This from someone who is not a Pats fan and believes a ready is guilty as hell.

  62. I’d love to have a chance to argue against the Wells report in a courtroom

    Fighting that rag is going to make some lawyers look really good

  63. There seems to be a logical disconnect in the supposed chain of events. Tom Brady was said to want the balls at 12.5 PSI. The ball attendant on at least one occasion actually tells the refs this. In the game in question, the balls were demonstrably set to 12.5 PSI. My question is if that was true, why would any of the Patriots staff lower the pressure from that point ( and to an inconsistent pressure according to other data), unless Brady told them something like “make them all as soft as possible.”?

  64. ctbarryjr says:
    May 8, 2015 11:02 AM
    I think 8 games, a fine, regardless of the size will mean nothing to Brady. I say 8 games because, its clear to me that this matter is a multi year infraction, which no one is talking about.

    *********

    Yes. Let’s punish based on assumptions and not facts. But don’t forget to also do it for all PED & personal conduct violators. No way any of them only did it once, 8 game minimums for everyone!

    And since we’re dispensing hard justice, how about some punishment for Walt Anderson, who managed to lose track of the balls after being specifically told to watch them?

    And what about the officiating crew that pumped up the Patriots game balls to 16 PSI in the Jets game?

    Don’t forget to set up that sting operation on Aaron Rodgers while you’re at it…just to make sure he’s not committing the same crimes against humanity.

    Oh…what’s that? None of those people play for the Patriots? Never mind. Forget I said anything. My bad.

  65. It’s kind of like marijuana. It doesn’t matter if you think it should be legal or not. It only matters what the rule/law that was in place at the time of the violation.

  66. Yup. In this great country of ours, the only option for Thomas is to go legal. Good luck. And where is the NFLPA?

  67. The Patriots and Tom Brady will not be remembered for the SB they have one. They will be remembered for cheating.
    LEGACY=TAINTED

  68. It’s a good thing the rulebook says “responsible for” and not “aware of” since that’s what Ted Wells says in his report, that’s some glaring misinformation on Florio’s part covering this. The report states that two individuals were “responsible for” deflating and one person was “aware of”, and that’s using the legal term “more probable than not”. And if you want to say that if Brady was aware so that’s just as bad, then all the NFL league officials involved in the failed sting who were aware of under inflated balls in the first half need to be punished just the same.

  69. Brady One Year
    Belichik 6 Games
    Gostkowski and and anyone else refusing to cooperate despite not being directly involved? 4 Games.

  70. If you guys actually think all this was done without Bellichek knowing, then the Patriots are still getting over on you guys.

    No way the # 1 micro manager in football didn’t know about this.

    And..you factor in the fact that that Patriots have fumbled the least amount in the NFL since 2007 because of deflated balls has Bellichek’s name written all over this.

  71. 4 games suspension at a minimum or this commissioner is a larger fraud than already perceived as.

  72. jnbnet says:
    May 8, 2015 11:25 AM
    Tom. Sue them.
    ___________
    Sue for what?
    Somebody called him a cheater (which he is)?
    That would be thrown out so fast it would make your head spin.

  73. cras108er says:
    May 8, 2015 11:25 AM

    thepatsrcheaters says:
    May 8, 2015 11:16 AM
    hairpie2 says:
    May 8, 2015 11:01 AM
    No one in their right mind would surrender a personal phone to that dog and pony show. They cant keep a lid on anything.
    ______________________________________
    Im so sick of this arguement read the Wells report he didnt have to surrender his phone he was asked to submit emails and texts/calls pertaining to the case!!!!!! He could even run them through his lawyers 1st!!!!
    ****************************************************

    What part of invasion of privacy do you not understand. Even police have to get a warrant FROM A JUDGE before searching your personal property. Otherwise it is called illegal search and seizure. The NFL does not have some special dispensation that allows them to effectively create a police state. This from someone who is not a Pats fan and believes a ready is guilty as hell.
    ——————
    What part of non criminal company internal investigation do you not understand? Yes, he doesn’t have to cooperate or turn over personal property. THAT DOES NOT EXEMPT HIM FROM COMPANY DISCIPLINE, UP TO AND INCLUDING BEING FIRED!!

  74. LMAO some of you haters need to get a life.

    Cry all you want about * and a tainted legacy because we don’t care what you say, nobody does.

    2015 Super Bowl Champions New England Patriots!

    How do you like those apples?

  75. Since when did taking air out of a football become a more grievous offense than taking PED’s? People seriously need to get a grip. If he’s guilty, punish him. But for all these armchair commissioners that want to suspend him for 8 games or a whole season – let me ask you this: When was the last time a player was suspended for 8 or more games for his first PED violation?

  76. Brady’s not gonna get the hammer because deflated balls are an egregeous violation, they’re not, and I know almost for a fact he knew it was happening maybe not the scope it was but the fact it was. However in today’s NFL it has more to do with the you crossed the boss factor when Goddell wields his hammer. I’d put my money on 2 games for the NFL’s answer to George Brett.

  77. You just gotta know that Brady won’t get anything more than some slap-on-the-wrist fine for this.

  78. Yee is on a spin tour. Only Patriots fans believe this was done without Tom’s involvement. Who knows the truth? Who cares, I mean really, who does? This is not the first time they have been involved in a cheating scandal, it hasn’t changed anything and it wont. They skirt the rules and smirk about it. Tom has always behaved like a petulant baby. Nothing new. It’s a waste of time to ponder it any more. I am just really, really glad I do not have to justify (in my own mind) my team’s championship trophies and think decrying all critics as “haters” works it all out.

  79. Vikings and panthers caught this year on national TV tampering with balls by putting them in the heaters on a cold weather game. the nfl gave no fine just a reprimand to not do it again, it seems that an investigation that has no definitive proof will yield an extremely harsher punishment.

    ask yourself how the media, fans and NFL would have reacted had it been the patriots heating balls on the sideline and if you answer that honestly you will have the true crux of the problem.

    the nfl is constantly striving for parody and the pats are preventing that dream and in turn the nfl spends a lot of time going after them.

  80. Hey getaclue12

    You didn’t win. The Seahags choked.

    And next time, try to do better than the lame “apples” line from a Matt Damon movie.

  81. Florio applying the “gotcha” technique most commonly found in arguments between children and their parents.

    This is a league issue, the league should be held accountable for not doing their job by applying and following their rules. The league needs to accept responsibility and starting this season make sure none of the ball pressure issue becomes a problem. The league needs to make sure all of the required procedures of inspecting footballs is followed for every game, and make the information available to not only the team’s,but the fans. The league knows they failed here, and they need to do better for the integrity of the game. You can’t change what has already taken place, nobody will change their opinions on this no matter what information is available, so now make all of the information available in regards to the football’s.

  82. To those saying “why would they need Brady’s phone when they could get all they need from the other guys”. Did you ever think that maybe they wanted to see if Brady texted someone other than these two bafoons about the deflated balls? Perhaps BB?

  83. A simple question for Patriot fans: If you could clear Tom and Patriot Nation by simply turning over your cell phone would you ? Of course you would and Tommy would have surrendered his in a nano second if he was innocent but alas he is not. The longer this drags on the worse it is for Patriot Nation . The degree of desperation by all associated with trying to make Deflate Gate go away is truly pathetic. Keep digging Tommy defenders ,the hole is just getting deeper.

  84. How bout Goodell surrender his cell phone for all the lies hes told about not knowing certain individuals under oath and his lies.

    Lets expose Goodells emails and texts. Then they can start obtaining players cells. Guarantee he wont. Therefore players shouldnt have to and shouldnt be punished for it either

  85. The significance of the “discipline, including but not limited to, a fine of $25,000” language is that it establishes sort of a benchmark for the NFL’s view as to the severity of the offense – before they started reading blogs and commentary. For instance, the new domestic violence policy sets the benchmark at a six-game suspension, I believe. Greg Hardy was given 10 games based on this benchmark. To those who think Brady should be suspended 8 games, you’re being ridiculous. That’s like sending someone to jail for going 9 mph over the speed limit on a first offense. If he gets more than a $100K fine and a one-game suspension, then the League has lost its mind, and the NFLPA will go to town on them. At some point, Goodell needs to start basing his punishments on something tangible, such as… you know… the League’s own guidelines!

  86. I heard a Brady clip on SiriusXM this morning “I know there are people who hate Tom Brady out there and I’m ok with that” …. what a rationalizer … wow.

    I don’t hate Tom Brady. I think he is the best QB in the business. I think he is driven to win. Not a bad thing for an NFL QB.

    Unfortunately, like a lot of people that live at that level of competitive success, the internal governor on what it takes to win goes wonky some times. Brady doesn’t need 11lb pound balls to win. He certainly should not risk a lot for that little edge. But he did. Like Lance Armstrong or Roger Clemens. Like, crazy as it may sound, Richard Nixon and his stupid DNC robbery. They paid an awful price for that little extra competitive advantage.

  87. Yee’s next line of defense:

    “Deflating balls below the league’s standards after the officials had verified them started in 2007. Therefore, it is George Bush’s fault and he should be punished.”

    It would be hilarious if some reporter asked the White House Press secretary if they thought this scandal was George Bush’s fault. It would be priceless.

  88. we still talking about .5 psi in a football right
    Colts balls deflated .5 psi
    Pats balls deflated .5 psi
    Only 4 colt balls measured
    6 pat balls only lost .5

    That’s what the coin flip comment is about.

  89. So, tell me again how YOU, Mr. Average Joe, would not turn over any cell phone records (that your attorney can cherry pick through) during an internal company investigation. Yes, you have no legal obligation to do so. But that doesn’t mean you are exempt from company penalties.
    ===
    If you’re in a union or have a contract with a CBA, you do what the CBA or your contract says you have to.

    If you work for the government, you don’t give them anything without a warrant.

  90. kenmasters34 says:
    May 8, 2015 11:01 AM
    The real question is… WHY SHOULD Tom Brady have to?

    Brady was already presumed guilty in the annual NFL witchhunt. I wouldn’t want to give up all of my personal information, so that my personal life would be available for everyone to read about.
    ***************************
    Corporate law….
    BYOD, if you have business information on a personal device that device can be confiscated.

  91. count974 says:
    May 8, 2015 11:56 AM
    The significance of the “discipline, including but not limited to, a fine of $25,000″ language is that it establishes sort of a benchmark for the NFL’s view as to the severity of the offense – before they started reading blogs and commentary. For instance, the new domestic violence policy sets the benchmark at a six-game suspension, I believe. Greg Hardy was given 10 games based on this benchmark. To those who think Brady should be suspended 8 games, you’re being ridiculous. That’s like sending someone to jail for going 9 mph over the speed limit on a first offense. If he gets more than a $100K fine and a one-game suspension, then the League has lost its mind, and the NFLPA will go to town on them. At some point, Goodell needs to start basing his punishments on something tangible, such as… you know… the League’s own guidelines!
    *************************
    Repeat violation, refusing to cooperate with the investigation…
    Small things you left out that may well increase the punishment.

  92. Florio, the NFL doesn’t have a legal standard. It’s rules within its organization are not legally binding in any court.

    All Yee is doing is pointing out that they’ve applied the weakest standard that a court might.

    That is 51% probability. But at the same time, Wells isn’t a judge either. He is a lawyer who was paid to make the case for the league.

    If this later goes to court, they will not have even come close to providing that standard of proof.

    Shoot … they cannot even establish damages. The best record they have of the footballs before the game is the word of a ref that they were all “about 12.5,” but he doesn’t know which of the two gauges he used, or if he used both to measure them.

    That’s like saying you are sure a robbery occurred but you don’t know how much money was in the safe the night before.

    A civil court would throw this case out on its ear.

  93. prideof10000lakes says:
    May 8, 2015 11:07 AM

    I come from the land of innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The words “probable” and “general” don’t remove all shadow of doubt.

    Either way, Blount could have run in those TDs carrying a newborn baby, the inflation of the balls had nothing to do with it.
    ======================================

    Civil and criminal matters require different levels of evidence.
    So public education fails us? What then? Watch reality TV and CNN?
    Not good enough. Educate yourself.

  94. If you hate the Patriots like I do, the best part of Deflategate and Spygate, etc. is …the Patriots have no one to blame but themselves.

    I love it. Patriot integrity, or rather, the lack thereof. The gift that keeps giving.

    Mr. Kraft, how proud you must be of your organization!

  95. When Goodell starts being honest and “transparent” as he promised, then he can then demand the players be. Until then, i dont blame the players to tell Goodell and the League Office where they can go.

    When the NFL releases everything about everything, mind you they are switching away from tax exempt so they can hide the gravy trainer Goodell and other league office gravy trains compensation.

    As Goodell in his own words said it has become a major distraction.

    Gee thats pretty rich considering he had tarnished the Shield and been the BIGGEST DISTRACTION in the history of the NFL.

  96. Thc NFL can fix this very easily. When the Competition Committee meets this year, pass a new rule that all balls will be supplied by the NFL, will be inflated to a prescribed pressure, and used by both teams. Problem solved. This problem was created by attempting to acquiesce to a bunch of spoiled prima do as who have all essentially admitted use the rule to try to gain a competitive advantage. Just as everyone has to play in the same weather conditions, everyone should play with the same ball.

  97. Given the focus the NFL places on being a positive role model for the youth, you would think they would do away with the tired phrase, “If you aren’t cheating, you aren’t trying.” What message does that send to kids?

  98. Oh god… That’s over thinking it. The rule book suggested a fine of 25k for tampering with footballs.

    That shows the level of issue they thought it was at the time of writing the rule.

    Where Yee is wrong is that this has nothing to do with tampering with balls really. It’s whether they were intentionally and systematically circumventing the rules. Which they may have been.

    The issue with the statement “more probable then not” being the same standard used in civil cases is that the prosecuting attorney is not also the judge. The attorney presents the evidence and the judge decides if the chance is greater than 50/50. Then the probability is weighed in the award. The more probable the higher the award. In this case wells passed judgement on his own work.

    It is true that someone has to decide if it’s 55% probable or 95% probable when working out the penalty.

  99. RavenzGunnerz says:
    May 8, 2015 11:01 AM

    He cheated.
    He won the super bowl because of cheating.

    Now, what they are trying to do, is diminish the cheating…

    Why can’t you win the sb fair and square like the Ravens do?

    Hahahahahah the ravens winning a sb fair and square yeah cause those peds the team was on had no effect on them winning it all

  100. If I were Brady, I would have walked into a press conference like Tony Stark and said “Yes I did it, but that man in the back corner is playing Galica pretending to be working”

  101. The Patriots, Brady, the lawyer, Goodell and Patriot fans just appear to be pathetic at this point. They want to be known as a great franchise and because the networks have portrayed them as such over the past decade, they think they are a dynasty and above the law. They are a j0ke. Always have been… think about it… tuck rule, Colts AFC game, spygate, Brady’s women, Aaron Hernandez, deflate gate, Kraft/Goodell photos together, Brady whining when he gets hit(NFL changes rules), Bellichik injury reports, horrible clothes, treating media like crap, Cory Dillon, Dennard, Randy Moss, and now them acting like nothing happened. This is a team of misfits from top to bottom. All of their titles are tainted and they are not close being a dynasty, but they are a whine-asty.

  102. @zbellino says:
    May 8, 2015 12:05 PM
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    However, the Patriots presented the balls for inclusion in the game balls for inspection. The official doesn’t present the balls for play. So even if the official says “they were all about 12.5 psi” and winged it, they still went to the substandard inflation levels that were specifically noted. So your basis that it would be thrown out because you don’t know how much was stolen is incorrect. The Patriots have admitted they play by the rules right? So that is a prima facie statement that they were all at least 12.5 psi at the inspection. So the accused did their own accounting prior to the robbery. Right?

    Go look for some more straws to grasp!

  103. Cheating is for losers and tom shady is a loser. No one cares about his tainted rings. They laugh at his taintedness. He won’t ever be respected like teams that earned their superbowl trophy.

  104. @bunkmcnulty – You hate the Patriots because your team sucks and can’t get the job done and has proven to be inept time and again.

    Spygate: “The Patriots gained no competitve advantage during the games from the filming”. Those were the words of Goodell. The only RULE the broke is where the camera was. And the Patriots were the only team punished despite NUMEROUS other films out there showing other teams doing the exact same thing.

    DeflateGate: The Patriots were found INNOCENT. The Wells report ignores the science that it’s own “expert” provides and declares that Tom Brady probably knew about it.. And that is despite the fact that they have no evidence at all that Brady did anything but tell the Equipment guys to show the league rules to the refs as to what the PSI was supposed to be..

    Oh, yeah. They have texts showing that balls that were inflated by the refs during the checks were illegally inflated to 16 psi.. So, basically showing that the refs weren’t doing their job properly..

  105. alltee says:
    May 8, 2015 11:49 AM

    “ask yourself how the media, fans and NFL would have reacted had it been the patriots heating balls on the sideline and if you answer that honestly you will have the true crux of the problem.”

    ———————

    You speak absloute the truth here. If it were the happless Falcons or Browns being accused of this (deflating footballs), we’d all just laugh it off like we did with the crowd noise and texting scandals.

  106. Dear Tom Br*dy,

    The rumbling noise you keep hearing is coming from a bus. You know, the one that you are about to be thrown under?

    Keep smiling Tom. Just keep smiling !!!!!!!

    4TAINTEDRINGS

  107. May 8, 2015 11:01 AM
    He cheated.
    He won the super bowl because of cheating.

    Now, what they are trying to do, is diminish the cheating…

    Why can’t you win the sb fair and square like the Ravens do?

    ———————

    Is that deer antler spray I smell?

  108. @cras108er – What the league should do is provide a pump to each stadium that the league had calibrated by a 3rd party and make it so that the refs have to put each ball on the pump and read the pump gauge and inflate/deflate accordingly. The Refs would then have to record the PSI value of each ball before putting it back in the respective team’s bag.

  109. I come from the land of innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The words “probable” and “general” don’t remove all shadow of doubt.

    Either way, Blount could have run in those TDs carrying a newborn baby, the inflation of the balls had nothing to do with it.

    SKOL
    ——————

    This is such an illogical assumption. I can’t believe this story has been out for month’s and people still use the uninformed line of reasoning ‘oh, they would have blown the colts out anyways’. Yes, they would have beaten the colt’s, and they won the subsequent game against the Seahawks with inflated balls. But, the cheating still taints their title, and questions if they would lift the trophy without gaming the balls.

  110. Keep blaming the Colts, Pats fans. Smoke and mirrors – take the focus off the fact that YOU GOT CAUGHT CHEATING AGAIN!!!! Was it the Jets fault for blowing the whistle on Spygate? In your feeble minds, I presume yes…

    Enjoy the suspensions, fines, lost draft picks and the decline to mediocrity.

    P.S. I’m waiting for the announcement of their new strength and conditioning coach, Lance Armstrong…

  111. @Steelcurtain – Teams like the Steroid Age Steelers? Teams like the Steelers led by Ben “The Rapist” Roethlingsberger?

    The Pats rings aren’t tainted. What’s tainted is people like you who have a hatred for a team that has done more that his own..

  112. If the NFL wants us to continue to believe the games we see aren’t tainted or fixed, it will come down hard here.

    Integrity and fairness are what this is about.

  113. @Denverdude7 – You are another person who shouldn’t be talking about tainted rings considering the Broncos rings were tainted due to Salary Cap violations. Violations which are far more egregious than a camera in the wrong place on the field or a football that was deflated due to sitting in cold weather for 90 minutes..

  114. I need Tommy to look into the camera, wag his finger at it, and state, “I did not know anything about the deflation of these footballs”. I always remember Rafael Palmeiro doing that.

  115. What Brady , the Patriots , Bob Kraft , as well as their fans , failed and continue to fail to understand – it’s not about just deflating footballs . That’s not just the issue . Wouldn’t have affected the outcome of the Colts game. It’s the lying . The misleading statements . The attempts to cover over what was done , including having your dad ( LOL!! Wow) , your agent , and anyone else , make inflammatory statements and more misleading information to the media and anyone else who’ll listen , instead of vigorously defending your self and proving beyond a doubt that you’re innocent- and then in a way arrogantly daring the NFL to do something- that’s what this , and anything that the NFL does , is all about.

  116. @Steelcurtain – Teams like the Steroid Age Steelers? Teams like the Steelers led by Ben “The Rapist” Roethlingsberger?

    The Pats rings aren’t tainted. What’s tainted is people like you who have a hatred for a team that has done more that his own..
    —————

    Steroid Age? Steroids were banned in 87, so anyone could legally use them. Raping doesn’t impact the outcome of a game (unless it happens on the field). So, even though those were simply points of deflection… they aren’t even valid points.

    The Patriots have a pattern of gaming the system for an advantage. It’s worked for them, up until now. So, the fact that they were accomplished, in part with cheating, shouldn’t take the good memories away from the fans. You didn’t cheat, the team you follow did.

  117. I guess most people only care about privacy rights, when its your own right to privacy.

    Why should Tom Brady be forced to give up his information to the vultures in the media. It always leaks out. And it would do nothing to exonerate Tom Brady.

    Look what happened to Incognito. He may be a meathead… but those test showed that he talked to Martin comfortably as a friend. But did he get exonerated after being stabbed in the back?

    IMO, the NFL has been clearly overstepping its bounds on recent issues. In the NFL, you are ALWAYS guilty, no matter what. Why let the vultures have their way with your personal information. PS…..The NFLPA has been worthless.

  118. Some people above ask what the punishment will be for the Colts and the 3-4 balls of their that were found to be deflated…..

    These people have reading comprehension issues.

    “The report said all 11 of the Patriots’ game balls, when re-tested at halftime, were below the minimum level specified by NFL rules of 12.5 psi. The four Colts game balls that were re-tested were between 12.5 and 13.5 psi, so they were within the rules.”

    The 4 Colts balls retested were legal.
    ALL of the Patriots were not.

    Why did they only test 4 of the Colts? because they kept on passing.
    Why did the test 11 for the Patriots? because they kept failing.

  119. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to discover that all 32 starting QB’s have a preference on how they like their balls prepared, some within the limits and some outside the allowable specifications.

    Just like us regularly breaking rules that we feel are minor and go unobserved until we are caught. However once caught we will be punished for those violations. Brady has been caught and that fact will certainly reenforce the seriousness of the rules to any other QB who feels the need to alter the playing balls beyond the legal limits.

  120. Patriots fans shouldn’t lose the joy they had when they believed that Brady just may be the GOAT. That, there was a Boston athlete who was carved into the Mt. Rushmore of quarterbacks.

    Remember, there was a time that many of you gleefully awaited the arrival of Santa Clause. When you grew up, you realized he was a fraud (though a well meaning one). This doesn’t diminish the memories you still hold dear as an adult.

    Just as spygate doesn’t take the joy away from the near dynasty of the early 200o’s. The joyful year of 2014 will still be there when Brady assumes a position between 5 and 10 with talks of who’s the best QB ever.

  121. As for giving up the phone and privacy rights.

    Again the story is he was asked to give up the phone records. He was given the opportunity to redact anything that did not pertain to the investigation.

    So kissie talk with his wife could be redacted, sexting with an intern could be redacted, discussions about investing in a new line of neck ties could be redacted. Texts to his former TE hoping he gets acquitted could be redacted.
    Anything embarrassing that you can think of that he did not send to the equipment guys could have been redacted.

    The request was not hand over your phone so we can read everything.

  122. @dabruinz

    Yes, at times we all have teams that don’t win. Thanks for reminding me of that. My team has had some decent amount of success compared to other against the Patriots, so go ahead. Blast away if that makes you feel better. I understand you must be really angry these days.

    Spygate: the rest of the world has no opinion of whether the Patriots gained an advantage by filming another team. The tapes were destroyed. How convenient! But let me ask you, why are you parsing words about Spygate? The result is they gained no advantage, says you. So no harm no foul? Really? So if you commit armed robbery and the bank only has $10 are you innocent of wrongdoing because your financial position wasn’t improved? Intent my friend. Intent!!!! I guess the huge fine and loss of a draft pick was to confirm their innocence, huh?

    Deflate Gate: In what world are you living? The State of Denial. Based on your view of Spyagte I think that is pretty clear. The preponderance of evidence in the Wells report says otherwise.

    Is it so hard to say my team, or players on messed up?

  123. dabruinz says:
    May 8, 2015 12:23 PM
    @cras108er – What the league should do is provide a pump to each stadium that the league had calibrated by a 3rd party and make it so that the refs have to put each ball on the pump and read the pump gauge and inflate/deflate accordingly. The Refs would then have to record the PSI value of each ball before putting it back in the respective team’s bag.
    ***************************************************

    Why does each team need their own balls? It’s created. Otho g but problems, for something that most people agree has minimal impact on the game. Look at the time, money, and energy that has Ben Zoe t on this nothing story. Let’s go back to a simpler time. The balls are provided by the NFL, set to the proper pressure by the referees (with a calibrated pump), and once measured are never out of the officials control. If the ball is slick, so be it. I is slick for both teams.

    And while we’re at it, can we simplify the definition of a catch (and pass interference)?

  124. @bunkmcnulty
    I am a Bears fan. What I hate are the annual NFL witchhunts. This thing is completely blown out of proportion. Where is the outrage at Aaron Rodgers? Or the Vikings/Panthers?

    Every year there is some new GIANT MEGA SUPER SCANDAL!

    Deflategate
    RayRice/AP gate
    Bully gate (Incognito got tossed under a bus)
    NFL Lockout gate
    Bounty gate
    Spygate… etc

    Every year, the NFL gets its name dragged in the mud by Goodell who is tugging on your strings. Media coverage makes money, and its easy to drum up your false outrage.

  125. How many of you here would turn your cell phone over to your employer if they came to you and said: “We think you did something against our rules. Prove your innocence by giving us your cell phone.”

    None of you would. Nor should you. It doesn’t matter if you make $10/hr flipping burgers or $10M/yr throwing footballs.

    “More than probable” he was “generally aware”…I’ve yet to hear anyone explain in detail what that means. But that’s ok for you guys, you’re more than willing to suspend a guy or sully his reputation based on that flimsy language.

  126. The only smart person in NE is Bilichek who quickly removed himself of knowing anything and toased Brady under the bus if the truth came out. He learned his lesson. Maybe thats why he would practice with wet or cold balls during cause he knew Bradys silly ball fetish

  127. Once again people, read the damn report before acting like you know what it says. You all sound stupid. I love Shannon Sharp vomiting out his mouth how Bray doesn’t know this guy but he talked to him for a half hours on the phone. Just another idiot that didn’t read (probably can’t) the report. Shannon let me help you out here, Tom was talking on the phone to the other guy not the guy he said he didn’t know. If you haven’t read the report shut your mouth. If it your job to speak about the report, read that damn thing.

  128. How many of you here would turn your cell phone over to your employer if they came to you and said: “We think you did something against our rules. Prove your innocence by giving us your cell phone.”
    ———————————
    Since Tom Brady wasn’t asked to turn his phone over, not sure what point you’re trying to make.

  129. 1 year minimum for Brady. Not just for cheating, but for also lying about the cheating to his coach, the NFL, and the public.

    1 year for Belichick because ignorance is no excuse and that’s the bar that has been set.

  130. You would only turn your phone in to a fair and unbiased investigation. The facts show this was anything but that. In fact, this article itself and the many comments show no sense of fairness at all.

  131. The nfl absolutely has a right to see the texts that Brady was sending when it comes to Brady being ethical and breaking rules.
    Makes me think that he has stuff he doesn’t want Giselle to see

  132. Spread misinformation? Well, it works for so many others (wink, wink) why not?

  133. mrmcdougle says:
    May 8, 2015 12:48 PM

    Just as spygate doesn’t take the joy away from the near dynasty of the early 200o’s. The joyful year of 2014 will still be there when Brady assumes a position between 5 and 10 with talks of who’s the best QB ever.

    ————————-
    Why would spy gate take away joy for SBs that occurred before taping from the locations was even against the rules? Do you realize how silly you guys sound when you try to claim that a violation of a 2007 rule has any basis on games played in 2001, 2003 or 2004?

  134. All Patriot fans must think that OJ got screwed in his civil suit. OJ wasn’t convicted in his criminal case, but there was a preponderance of the evidence or it was more probable than not that he was responsible, which led to his guilty verdict in the civil suit.

    This is not a criminal case, Pat fans. This doesn’t have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. This more probable than not meets the US civil court benchmark and the NFL’s benchmark.

    How many games did Big Ben get without being arrested or charged for a crime. It’s how represents the NFL image, how cooperative you are with the investigation, and how it affects the game (Ben’s behavior wasn’t charting behind ref’s backs). 0-3

  135. To me one of the most incriminating messages is the Ball Boys statement that he he hasn’t gone to ESPN…….. yet.

  136. The 4 Colts balls retested were legal.
    ALL of the Patriots were not.
    ====
    Wrong. One gauge was correctly calibrated and the other was high. The IND balls were only legal on the incorrectly calibrated gauge. On the correctly calibrated gauge all NE balls were low and 3/4 IND balls were low.

    This is in the report.

  137. Since Tom Brady wasn’t asked to turn his phone over, not sure what point you’re trying to make.
    ===
    Records from the cell phone or the cell phone itself is distinction without difference. If he doesn’t have to by the terms of the CBA, then the doesn’t have to.

    Seeing as Gost didn’t either, and that Gost was repped by an NFLPA lawyer whose sole job is to know and enforce the CBA, I believe it more probable than not that the CBA doesn’t require players to surrender personal records or devices to NFL investigators.

    Maybe the NFL can ask for that in the next round of CBA negotiation…

  138. @kenmasters34 says:

    Thanks for your Point of View.

    I will say, is the intense popularity of the NFL, and the by-products of media coverage of every single event, or is it Roger Goddell?

    Don’t get wrong, I am not a huge Goddell fan, but what prior Commissioner oversaw the league during an age like we are all in now. The 24/7 news cycle, the every person carrying a phone, the ability for every fan, smart or otherwise, to have an opinion via sources like PFT. Add in increased scientific knowledge on head injuries, and annual revenues dwarfing the bygone days, and Roger Goddell does have his hands full on a daily basis.

    What hasn’t changed over all these years is the players. There have always been good guys and bad guys. What has changed is our ability to know every single nugget about the players good and bad. This constant and excessive information, both good and bad, brings about these annual “witch hunts” as you call them.

    To me, the NFL has become so popular, the media coverage makes it impossible for the league not to deal with what seems like, every issue. So I while I appreciate you point of view which states that these witch hunts are brought about because of Goddell. IMHO, they are brought to Goddell. And given the business man’s approach to save the “golden goose” he has no choice many times but try to do something.

    I do not seeing this going away anytime soon.

  139. This more probable than not meets the US civil court benchmark and the NFL’s benchmark.
    ===
    In civil court, the respondent or defendent gets to mount a defense to convince a neutral third party (judge or jury) that the claims made made by the plaintiff are not more probable than not. That did not happen in this investigation. In this investigation, the plaintiff and the judge are the same party and there was no defense.

  140. Between Tom Brady’s brave dad and Tom Brady’s impartial and heroic agent, the utterly unbiased, unvarnished, un-spun truth is revealed. To paraphrase Mark Twain, “I am convinced. I couldn’t feel more satisfied and at rest if the entire Brady family had testified.”

  141. I couldn’t care less if people think the Pats’ titles are dirty. As a fan, I’ve already lived the excitement, and nothing anyone says or does takes that away. So if all of you are here bathing in Brady’s blood think you’re getting any type of rise out of Patriots fans, guess again. We already experienced the good part, I don’t care what public opinion or the record books say. It happened. My personal legacy isn’t at stake. And Tom Brady is just some bro just like us who just happened to have the right combination of natural talent and hard work to become a rich and famous bro with a supermodel wife. So good for him. If his name takes a hit or not, why should any of us care? If you guys are living and dying by the successes and failures of other grown men, you are, in fact, a loser of the highest order.

  142. hilmsay says:
    May 8, 2015 11:05 AM

    It’s pretty comical that the vikings-panthers get caught doing this red handed and no one cares, but when Tom Brady and the Patriots “allegedly and probably-maybe sort of knew about a bit of it” everything gets turned up to a Spinal Tap volume 11.

    Yet we have PED abuse left, right and center. Domestic Violence gets a few game suspensions. Players drinking and driving and killing people and get a few game suspension (Leonard Little, Dante Stallworth),
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    Stallworth was suspended the entire year. And he manned up to his mistakes.

  143. To paraphrase Vince Tobin, “who the heck is Dan Yee”? and why is Tom Brady aligned with a bargain basement, fly-by-night, nobody agent? Were Tom Condon and Drew Rosenhaus too busy to represent him? You’ve had your 15 minutes of fame Yee, now you can recede to the shady corners from whence you emerged…. You too Tom Brady’s dad.

  144. Brady and the Pats have handled this really badly, and now they are probably going to pay big. Brady could have just said “I like the football a little softer, so we break-in the balls, the equipment guys soften it, etc…but I never dreamed they were below the league pressure standards.” Belicheat could have simply said “I have no idea what any of its about…I’ve never even heard of people letting air out of footballs to gain an advantage.

    But now it’s clear it’s a conspiracy. I predict Brady’s gone for 4-6 games, Belicheat for 2. Organization fined $2,000,000.

  145. I find it sad that 30 years ago this would be considered a major offense, now we look at it and say they would have won anyway.

    Really cheating is cheating, doesn’t matter how little or that others do it. Football is bigger than who won the game, by design mind you. First take the legal gambling, did the air out of the football affect his ability to put points on the board? If so his actions directly affect an entire industry (dont think for one second the NFL doesnt support Vegas, the number of autograph signings in vegas the week of the super bowl is impressive).

    What about fantasy football? Any game where he threw for more yards than normal or TD’s because of the ball, how ever minor, is still wrong.

    Tom was with the team during the spy gate problems, one would think he would have stayed clear of any further controversy. Fact is he clearly doesn’t care.

    I hate the seahawks and am really happy the patriots beat them. I really liked Brady as a QB, and a professional athlete because he doesnt have the issues other super starts do (the I am better than the game). But now I would admit, I think he should be kicked from the league. The NFL doesnt start cracking down hard on cheaters the problem will only grow.

  146. Suspend the stinking lying cheater already, who took to the airwaves to LIE about his dirty stinking cheating. One full year minimum. Forfeiture of SB trophy that NE won only after advancing to the SB by cheating. Cheaters should never be acknowledged for cheating. Red C on Gillette stadium as a Scarlett letter to remind everyone it’s the home of cheating scum.

  147. Because he is TOM BRADY and whether Goodell and Wells like to admit it, they are NOT the law. Tom Brady has absolutely zero obligation to hand his cell phone or computer over to them and to base his punishment and “guilt” on the fact that he “refused to cooperate” by doing so is unjust and not right. I hope they try to suspend Brady, because his lawyers and the NFLPA will have an absolute field day with it. Goodell thought the blow back of suspending AP was bad, just wait until you try to suspend Brady with zero hard evidence and simply based on nothing but assumptions and the fact that he scoffed at turning over his personal property… which he has every right to.

  148. I am not defending what Brady did,but some of the posters on here act like he killed someone or knocked out his wife. It’s already been admitted to be a pretty common practice by some QB’s to get the ball to feel just right. Why is Brady the only one going down for it? This whole thing was started by sore loser John Harbaugh who then told sore loser Chuck Pagano,and on and on. If the Colts had showed up to play the AFC Championship game,all of this would be moot. They were not going to win that game the way they played anyway.

  149. What about fantasy football? Any game where he threw for more yards than normal or TD’s because of the ball, how ever minor, is still wrong.
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    Rules for talking about your fantasy league:
    1) Nobody cares about your fantasy league.
    2) See rule 1.

  150. @mountaingirl39 Donte Stallworth killed someone while driving drunk.

    A lot worse than preferring footballs that are 1/2psi under inflated. This scandal is so overhyped.

    Rodgers admitted to overinflating footballs. Brad Johnson admitted to paying ball boys to rough up footballs. Jerry Rice used Stickum, the Vikings and Panthers both used heaters on footballs. The Browns sent texts to the sidelines… the Falcons pumped noise into the crowd, the giants use a wind tunnel…. etc

    Where is the outrage on the above?

    JOE MONTANA more “probably than not”, knew that Jerry Rice used stickum.

  151. I don’t think any player should be required to or even expected to cooperate in any NfL investigation. This is a corrupt NFL administration. It’s equivalent to the civil disobediance of the 60’s. People SHOULD mistrust these guys.

    I’ll be the first to admit, though, that it was a lot easier to get U.S. president Richard Nixon out of office than NFL commissioner Roger Goodell.

  152. Yee, you can stop bailing now. The Titanic is going down and now you just look foolish.

  153. The minimum fine is $25,000. If someone let a half pound pressure out of a football, that is about the minimum goes as far as tampering with a football. According to officials, no one recalls problems with possession of footballs after referees examination before. There is also no evidence of a request by Brady before this game asking for this to be done. So with no direct evidence supporting Brady making this request directly, how far a leap can be made from a $25,000 fine without it being about something personal and vindictive rather than following closely the penalties that have been set in place by the rulebook. Brady is guilty of being an analysis perfectionist who wanted his footballs prepared a certain way and set at the minimum 12.5psi, that is what the evidence shows. Any suspension or hefty fine is way out of line based on rules and evidence. Anything more is retribution not justified.

  154. apparently i have to give me personal property over to my boss when he asks for no apparent reason.

  155. He caused all ball handlers on his team to cheat!
    He caused legitimate teams the right to win fairly and advance to the Super Bowl.
    He lied, cheated, and taunted people about it after he was caught, and continues to this day to avoid accepting responsibility for his actions.
    He has covered up evidence, by not being forthcoming with contracted responsibilities to provide his cell phone calls, messages, and text messages to others including the Ownership of the Patriots, and the Coaching staff – clearly with the intention of covering up their guilt, and mitigating the penalties that are due other contributors to his irresponsible actions.

    He has altered the outcome of games as a result that are just as serious as betting on games – he did it with intent, and malice to other teams. The integrity of the game has been challenged. All the stats and accomplishment of everyone on their team has to be called into question!! It is a true disgrace if he is allowed to touch a football in pro-sports again!! He cannot be trusted – ever, by his family, friends, employers, co-employees, or fans!!

  156. Patriots punishment should be…..Brady 8 games suspension no pay, 25000 fine on appeal lower it to 6 games…..Belichick suspended 8 games no appeal, use the same standard they used on Sean Payton who had no knowledge of bounty gate but was held responsible because he should have know and he was suspended 1 yr. Bob Kraft fined 2 million with 4 game suspension and told he will be suspended 2 yrs on the next violation for cheating on any member of his organization going forward.

  157. YADA,YADA,YADA!! Cry all you want! I want to see documentation that the balls were checked during any and every game thru out the year. There should be documents with inflation rates recorded plus a signature of certification of acceptance. Has any sports reporting agencies
    produced this information/documents for the public to view? Hell no! Because there isn’t any. You have a serious problem here with quality control, namely the refs who check the balls with the calibrated hands method, the balls feel O.K. to me or maybe I don’t have time to check the balls they/balls are good to go. Think about it, we are not getting the whole picture of who is at fault here. We just have a lynch mob with ropes out to hang Tom Brady because he won’t get down on his knees and beg for forgiveness in front of the sports freeloading media.

  158. Yee is completely wrong, the NFL wants the Pats to win. If you don’t believe that, watch their first super bowl win and see how the refs swallowed their whistles as they allowed Harrison & Co to maul the Rams WRs. Considering what they call now, they got away with pass interference the WHOLE game.

  159. If you don’t believe that, watch their first super bowl win and see how the refs swallowed their whistles as they allowed Harrison & Co to maul the Rams WRs.
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    This is just something that’s always bugged me. I know it’s an idiom, but it doesn’t make sense in football. Football officials don’t call penalties with their whistles. When I hear someone talking about football officials “swallowing their whistles,” the corner of my eye starts to tic a little. Both eyes start to tic if its someone who gets paid to talk football.

    Anyway…That wasn’t really a mugging. That was just the way it was played then. It wasn’t that far removed from the gameplay on how the NYG beat BUF in the Superb Owl. It’s still the way that some teams (Seattle) and players (Brandon Browner) play it now.

  160. They should just shut up and let it pass. Every time Brady’s agent opens his mouth, he makes it worse. Admit you were in on it, or shut up.

  161. “That’s the same legal standard that applies in most civil lawsuits: Preponderance of the evidence, which means more probable than not. Over the years, billions of dollars have changed hands via the court system based on that standard”

    Maybe Brady deflated footballs, maybe he didn’t. There is no evidence anywhere that he did. I challenge you to bring forth the damning evidence. Because even in a civil proceeding (in the US) the text messages on Jastremski’s phone constitute hearsay and while it WOULD be allowed as probable cause to get a trial, it WOULD be challenged and likely inadmissible as evidence to convict – even in civil court which has more leeway to allow such things.

    I am not saying Brady didn’t know about deflation of footballs, I am not saying he isn’t fully responsible for it.

    I am saying that this report doesn’t prove it. I am saying that Brady doesn’t deserve the lynch mob mentality that he is being shown.

    You know Brady will be punished, from the posts on these sites maybe he should be exiled. Maybe it would be better for football if we just erased any memory he every played the game and collectively forget about him. Disband the Patriots so everyone can get back to the fully fair, non partial, never wrong NFL and let all other 31 saintly (spelled hypocritical) teams play the game. We were all cheated over the last 15 years for having to watch such a debacle unfold.

    The league can do what they want with the “evidence” but just keep in mind that it isn’t necessarily fair and due process that was received here.

    Tom Brady has been tried in the public court opinion on a misdemeanor and the punishment for it is not going to meet the crime. No matter how much your biased little minds wish to think that it does.

    There is enough precedent set that the NFL didn’t take any meaningful action over the handling of footballs, even in the very season for which Brady will receive punishment for it. It is a double standard. A double standard that many of you seem to uphold as your ‘squeaky clean’ teams never violate rules at all (right Broncos, Niners, et al on PROVEN salary cap violations to give an unfair competitive edge).

  162. “Pats have been getting special treatment for years. ” Tuck Rule “”
    @carp0056

    Probably ought to check a fact or two before you raise this one again. The famous “Tuck” rule was in place from 1999 – 2013. Unless you think it was created by the NFL in foresight that Tom Brady would come along and need it in 2002.

    The tuck rule was enforced in:
    2001: Jets vs Patriots. Vinny Testaverde fumbles, recovered by Seymour . Overturned due to Tuck rule

    2002: Patriots vs Raiders (probably the most famous case of it). Brady fumble recovered by Biekert of the Raiders. Overturned due to Tuck Rule

    2005: Redskins vs Broncos. Jake Plummer lost the football in the Broncos own end zone. Rule was overturned via Tuck rule under instant replay.

    2011: Chiefs vs Ravens. Tuck rule enforced. After this enforcement the NFL vice-president for officiating stated he was no longer in favor of the tuck rule.

    It seems that everyone only remember the use in the Patriots vs Raiders. That wasn’t even the only playoff game it was invoked in. The 2011 contest between the Chiefs and Ravens was also a playoff game.

    This rule is almost always raised as a point of cheating or special treatment of the Patriots. I don’t care if you hate the Pats, just get your facts straight. The Patriots were caught video taping in 2007 a year after the NFL said don’t do it anymore and were fined heavily. That is the only proven instance of cheating against the club and they didn’t deny it.

  163. “Sue for what?
    Somebody called him a cheater (which he is)?
    That would be thrown out so fast it would make your head spin.”
    @crush22

    Defamation of character. Probably wouldn’t get thrown out. Would he win? I don’t know but he could most likely get the case heard and once something is in the hands of the court anything can happen.

  164. “Like Lance Armstrong or Roger Clemens. Like, crazy as it may sound, Richard Nixon and his stupid DNC robbery. They paid an awful price for that little extra competitive advantage.”
    @tavisteelersfan

    You might want to reevaluate the Lance Armstrong reference at a minimum. The kind of doping that goes on in the Tour is more than a minor competitive edge.

  165. “Civil and criminal matters require different levels of evidence. So public education fails us? What then? Watch reality TV and CNN?
    Not good enough. Educate yourself.”
    @frankfortschooldropout

    Better go get that education yourself. While the levels of evidence are different between criminal and civil matters, there is still a standard that must be met and any good lawyer would be able put up a good fight in civil court against this report. It is “more probable than not” that unless other real evidence came to light the civil ruling would go in Brady’s favor.

    But the NFL is not a civil court and doesn’t require real evidence to met out punishment.

  166. “The Patriots, Brady, the lawyer, Goodell and Patriot fans just appear to be pathetic at this point.”
    @steelerfanjo

    Um taking a stab that you are a Steeler’s fan yes? Doesn’t your QB force himself on women? Perhaps you best hold the rocks. Big Ben lives in a glass house too.

  167. “Raping doesn’t impact the outcome of a game (unless it happens on the field). So, even though those were simply points of deflection… they aren’t even valid points.”
    @mrmcdougle

    Raping speaks to the character of the man. It is Brady’s character that is being questioned. He is being called a liar because of a few texts that don’t actually prove that he is lying about anything.

  168. ” OJ wasn’t convicted in his criminal case”

    There was enough evidence to convict him for murder, his lawyer was better than the evidence. There was far more real evidence in the OJ Simpson case both criminally and civilly than any of the crap in the Wells report.

  169. “Once the balls have left the locker room, no one, including players, equipment managers and coaches are allowed to alter the footballs in any way. If any individual alters the footballs, or if a non-approved ball is used in the game, the person responsible and, if appropriate, the head coach or other club personnel will be subject to discipline, including but not limited to, a fine of $25,000.”

    So, when are they going to punish the Panthers, Vikings, and Packers for doing this?

  170. doctorrustbelt says:
    May 8, 2015 11:14 AM

    When a Tour de France winner is caught cheating… they take the title he won (due to cheating) away from him.

    It’s sad/embarrassing that France’s Tour de France is classier and has higher ethical standards than the United States nfl.
    >>>>>

    It would be interesting to see the result if Armstrong were French.

  171. In civil court, the respondent or defendent gets to mount a defense to convince a neutral third party (judge or jury) that the claims made made by the plaintiff are not more probable than not. That did not happen in this investigation. In this investigation, the plaintiff and the judge are the same party and there was no defense.

    The NFL chose to employ the “preponderance of evidence” standard when dealing with these issues. They do not have to adhere to the rest of the legal standards that our legal system employs when doing so. So, it makes nice copy for you to quote the legal system’s standards and how you think they are being abused with regard to Tom Brady, but the fact is, they do not apply.

    The NFL is a separate entity from the US government. Bringing up references to the way our legal system works in order to build a defense is little more than a dodge or distraction.

  172. Regishawk beat me to it.

    All these apologist Patriots fans don’t get it.

    Playing in the NFL is not Brady’s right it’s a privilege, and if the NFL wants willing compliance of pretty much anything players legally have the right to CHOOSE to do, AND if a player CHOOSES not to willingly comply then the NFL can sanction him in most anyway open to any other private employer including ban him from ever playing again EVER. Brady and the Patriots NEED the other 31 teams far more than the other 31 teams need them.

    ALSO Kraft could be persuaded by the other 31 owner to sell the Patriots. Donald Sterling was forced out of the NBA for a lot less than Robert Kraft’s 15+ years of cheating.

    Patriots ARE disposable, given the attitudes of the owner, QB and fans towards transparency and fair play, they are leaving few other options left besides getting rid of them altogether.

    I doubt the rest of the rest of the league would even much notice, the bulk of NFL talent comes from California, Texas, and Florida anyway the quality of would be same.

    No offense to any other state it’s just a fact.

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