NFLPA hopes Kraft pushes for neutral arbitration

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For years, the NFL Players Association has lobbied for Commissioner Roger Goodell to permanently surrender his power to resolve appeals of player discipline. Last year, significant gains were made in that regard via, for example, the revised policy regarding performance-enhancing drugs.

In other areas, Goodell continues to have final say over player punishment. Most notably, he possesses that power under the Personal Conduct Policy. He also holds ultimate authority over the looming suspension of Patriots quarterback Tom Brady for violation of the rules regarding the integrity of the game of football.

This time around, the Commissioner’s decision would sideline one of the league’s highest-profile players for one of the league’s highest-profile regular-season games. For that reason, the NFL Players Association hopes to find an unlikely ally in the push to nudge Goodell to designate a truly neutral party to resolve the appeal.

Per a league source, the NFLPA hopes Patriots owner Robert Kraft pushes for neutral arbitration. There’s already a sense within NFLPA leadership that Kraft wants Goodell to delegate the decision to an outside party.

It’s a sensible position for Kraft to take, as it relates to his team’s interests. A neutral arbitrator would review the proposed punishment but also would likely entertain any challenges to the underlying investigation, which from a scientific standpoint relies on the very unscientific reality that the two pressure gauges available at the AFC title game generated significantly different readings and disregards referee Walt Anderson’s “best recollection” that he used to inflate the balls before kickoff the gauge that generated halftime measurements that suggest no tampering.

But the precedent could be a dangerous one for the league. If neutral arbitration is required for Brady, why isn’t it required for every player?

Actually, neutral arbitration could be a good idea in this case because any lenience exercised by Goodell would be criticized as favoritism for one of the few owners who: (1) staunchly and publicly defended the Commissioner during the Ray Rice debacle; and (2) determines the Commissioner’s pay. But if Kraft actually wants neutral arbitration, it could mean that Goodell wants to disregard that obvious conflict of interest.

Regardless, the entire analysis tends to confirm the wisdom of the Missouri Supreme Court’s recent ruling that no Commissioner can exercise true independence when resolving disputes involving the people who employ and pay him.

226 responses to “NFLPA hopes Kraft pushes for neutral arbitration

  1. Just answer a couple of questions:
    Why the ball boy called himself “the deflator”
    Why Brady and the Patriots refused to cooperate with the investigation – Brady completely, the Patriots partially
    Why Brady refused to answer the simple question posed by reporters (“did you tell anyone to deflate the footballs?”). Finally, there are not too many possible explanations why the Patriots suddenly became nearly fumble free in 2007, the year after the rule change that made it possible to cheat by deflating balls.

  2. Kraft doesn’t get to request anything. His team has been caught cheating on multiple occasions. He should be forced out of all football operations and be nothing more than a owner not allowed to visit his own stadium.

  3. Any sane person with interest on either side should want neutral arbitration. It’s just good sense when the deciding judge has a bias to one side. (the NFL, who signs Rodgers checks)

  4. What is Goodell afraid of? Nearly every other industry understands the importance of neutral arbitration.

    He’s just a power drunk clown.

    Given what was released about the gauges, and how Wells pushed against the referee’s best recollection, if I was Goodell, I’d be thrilled to have someone else to rule.

    And let’s not forget, that Wells is paid by the NFL and has a fiduciary requirement to support what the NFL wants, not what is objective.

    This is a mess and just plain stupid. Goodell must go!

  5. The Myth of Goodell in Kraft’s back pocket must go-along with the multitude of ex Jet employees in the NFL front office…..FREE BRADY

  6. Who s going to decide Goodell’s punishment?

    Fire the overpaid inconsistent loser…

  7. Makes sense, given that a neutral party would laugh this out of court. With Goodell as judge and Wells as “independent investigator”/prosecutor, they’ll probably determine that Brady killed Jimmy Hoffa.

  8. If you and lose nobody cares. If you cheat and win, the world ends. I feel like all teams try and bend rules to win, just depends on how much the media wants to blow it up (Chargers and stickum towels, Falcons with noise, Browns texting,etc)

    No evidence btw

  9. He should not hear the appeals of any players. Should be removed from this case and others in the future

    This has been an issue for years, hopefully something good comes from this mess and the appeal process changes

  10. I generally agree that neutral arbitration should always be used, but Kraft can’t support the commissioner making these decisions and now all of a sudden push for neutral arbitration because it will likely benefit his team this time. This is what the owners wanted, they all should have to live with it even when it doesn’t help their team.

  11. Suspend Brady for the whole year!! His actions, deflating the ball, aided the entire team. It decreased turn-overs – statistics prove that! It implicated and benefited the entire team, and propelled them to the Super Bowl, where they should have been banned for his actions in the first place!

    The balls were turned in to the officials at the proper inflation, and then were deflated to an advantage for the team. The Colts balls did not deflate after they were turned in.

    IF his year long suspension effects the team, so be it – his actions benefited them, and that is on Brady.

    Also, the Super Bowl win by the Patriots, and the Championship Title should be stripped from them, and the records as a result.

    He obviously hasn’t learned, he continues to deny and laugh about it – IT IS NOT FUNNY!!

    He has put the reputation of the league into question!! Does every NFL owner, and fan accept this?

  12. deflategate was just an outlet for all of america to cope with tom brady being the GOAT…hopefully everyone can come to their senses soon and appreciate this guy for being the mj of our generation and constantly performing like no nfl player ever has….he’s truly an icon…go brady

  13. Kraft should just shut up and take his teams punishment like a man. It would be embarrassing to him and the Patriots to try to put up any sort of fight when he should be the one apologizing. They don’t get the benefit of the doubt when they are caught cheating twice in 6 years!

  14. Goodell’s Image Shapers :

    ” You’re hated in all 32 cities. If you take down Tom Brady and the Patriots, you’ll be loved in 31. Remember since we paid for Ted Wells, we control Ted Wells. We conduct a sting operation, release a bunch of contradictory facts through our in house media, and say that only Ted Wells is appointed as the sole and exclusive arbiter of the truth.. Since the Patriots are already cheaters

  15. You ever wonder what the NFLPA members that happen to play (ed) for the Rams, Panthers, Jets, Ravens and Colts (among others) think about their union protecting a repeated cheater who possibly has cost other union members a chance to achieve a lifetime dream by skirting the rules?

  16. “Defamation lawsuit on its way”
    ————
    There is no defamation. Sharing the results of an investigation is not the same as defamation. The court case would get thrown out of court immediately.

  17. CONSPIRACY THEORY:

    Knowing how politicians and billionaires do business, they are loyal only to themselves and to money while cultivating an image quite the opposite.

    Noting Manning’s quick decline, Kraft (and Bellichick?) might feel it is time to move Brady and simply need an excuse considering Brady’s popularity with the fans. Let Patriots fans direct their anger at the league rather than the team.This could be a quid pro quo between Kraft and Goodell. Kraft supports Goodell during his darkest days and in return Goodell crucifies Brady to give Kraft cover for moving on from Brady “a year early” as they tend to do with their veteran players.

    There must be some explanation why Tom is getting railroaded on an alleged rule infraction which is quite strange considering how lax the NFL is over ball inflation in the past and the control given to teams have over the balls they use.

  18. ……. in the eyes of many, this is a slam dunk.

    All we need is for the media to follow like sheep ”
    .

  19. He should. I don’t see how they can get away with suspending Brady based on the posts you made yesterday. Shocking that the best evidence that can exonerate Brady comes from Florio of all people.

    Goodell ends up looking like an idiot through all of this though, so I hope Brady’s (potential) suspension gets overturned just to further embarrass Rog.

  20. No degree of reasonableness would indicate that a change should start with a problem already in a “live” situation, but that lessons learned should indeed call for a change in the future. Any change before a final course of action only magnifies all the existing problems with player violations. Stick to the course, then alter for the better.

  21. The inflation of game balls was such an unimportant issue prior to this “controversy” that the stated punishment for improperly inflated balls in the rule book is a measly $25,000. Now because it is the Patriots people want the punishment to be a year ban. Hilarious.

  22. Kraft will pay off whoever he needs to pay off to ensure Golden Boy gets a slap on the wrist. As we all know, the rules don’t apply to the Patriots.

  23. Low character franchise.

    kraft gave vladimir putin a Super Bowl ring.

    Un-American.

    NOT patriotic.

  24. I am shocked at the number of people that defend and/or turn their backs to cheating.

    Facts:

    – A NFL QB knows, by feel, when a ball is under inflated.
    – There is no question that the balls were deflated by the Pats.
    -No equipment manager is going to take it on his own to decide that the QB wants the ball deflated.
    – The seven years prior to the teams having control of the balls during the TOM’s QB rating was 88 compared to 106 in the seven years after. The team fumbles also dropped 40 percent. Both of these changes happen right away and stayed the same each year. Same QB and same coach yet huge un explainable differences.
    -Tom refuse to turn over requested information.
    -The Pats have a history of cheating and their fans just do not care.
    -Tom’s QB rating will go down and the teams fumbles will go up yet the fans will still not acknowledge that it is because they were forced to stop cheating.

  25. I hope League will man-up and give “minimum” punishment like they gave to New Orleans for ‘Bountygate’ (which they never cheated – nothing that breaks the NFL rules)
    Ban Tom Brady for life, suspend Belicheck for 1 yr, Fine the team and take out their Draft picks

  26. “For years, the NFL Players Association has lobbied for Commissioner Roger Goodell to permanently surrender his power to resolve appeals of player discipline.”

    Worse players association ever.

  27. Both the Wells Report and Exponent’s report make the assumption that all balls were checked pre-game with the same gauge. Says who?

    It appears that the halftime testers switched gauges (of course no documentation of which person used which gauge) and since Vette was helping Anderson with the pre-game testing (by adding air to balls that were low) it is very possible that Anderson switched gauges during that process or between doing the Patriots and the Colts balls. Part of the basis for the assumption that the non-logo gauge was used was because the numbers work with the test results of the Colts balls. But that doesn’t mean the same gauge was used on all balls.

    One more thing…..what happened to the gauge that the patriots supplied along with the air pump? Exponent did not do any tests on that, because apparently it could not be located. However from the report, it appears to last be in the hands of NFL Director of Game Operations Kames Daniel, in the officials’ locker room at halftime. Only NFL personnel were allowed in the dressing room, where they tested the balls and added air to ones that were low.

    Did that conveniently “disappear”?

  28. I enjoy having the same people who used to make fun of Brady’s large numbers of quick short passes now complaining about the Patriots having a low fumble per play ratio. Will they figure it out? The suspense is terrible, I hope it will last.

  29. restoreintegritytonfl says:May 11, 2015 10:58 AM

    Patriots fumbles:

    2000-2006 once every 42 touches
    2007-2014 once every 74 touches

    Brady lobbied league for rule change in 2006. The data is accurate.

    —-

    So did Manning. Does that mean he’s a cheat too? As for actual fumbles, deadspin as already completely disproven the “fumbles” idea. They showed that since 2007, the Patriots have only lost, on average, 1-1.5 fumbles less per season than other teams. Hardly definitve evidence of anything.

  30. Possibly the only good that will come out of this sham.

    I make a living in conflict resolution and have experience in litigation, arbitration, and mediation.

    Not only is arbitration more fair, it may the NFL’s only out of the ridiculous position they have put themselves. They actually need to be saved from themselves.

  31. For those that have brought up the pats fumbling record that was debunked quite a while ago. The pats have numbers in line with all the teams that have similar records so if that is the reason for the low numbers all those other teams were doing too. No proof, just like the wells report, no proof.

  32. There are now so many issues regarding the accuracy of the report that the commissioner is likely to rely on Brady’s failure to turn over his cell phone. Since Wells had the actual accused “deflators” phones, he would have any communications from Brady to them. What was Wells looking to see? Brady’s communications with his lawyers? Oooops. Attorney client privilege. Courts will have a field day with that!

  33. Lowest fumble rate by far since 2007, they have been doing this for years like someone else stated above.

    In a game of inches where overgrown men smash into each other as hard as they can, a soft ball will make one heck of a difference holding on to it or catching it. Just like stealing plays

  34. Just answer a couple of questions:
    Why the ball boy called himself “the deflator”
    Why Brady and the Patriots refused to cooperate with the investigation – Brady completely, the Patriots partially
    Why Brady refused to answer the simple question posed by reporters (“did you tell anyone to deflate the footballs?”). Finally, there are not too many possible explanations why the Patriots suddenly became nearly fumble free in 2007, the year after the rule change that made it possible to cheat by deflating balls.

    __________________________________

    easily answered, he calls himself the deflator because he is oftedn removing air from balls and being yelled at to do so by brady, nothing illegal there as long as it was done prior to the refs checking the balls at pregame. brady didn’t want to cooperate because its a sham investigation working backwards from a desired conclusion as evidenced by wells running with data from a different gauge that was used as tetstified by referee Walt Anderson, and lastly many of those years with less fumbles ( and in no way were they fumble free) they had ben Jarvis green ellis who never fumbled his entire football life which included college and high school and second when you do fumble on the patriots you get benched and lastly as a pats fans there were many fumbles but they had a high rate of recovery.

    now ask your self why ted wells isn’t using the data from the guage with a corooked needle that proves there was no tampering and was the gauge that walt Anderson testified that he used

  35. No dog in this fight but…..
    What the NFLPA , Kraft and Brady should do is ask RG and the NFL why in the world Walt Anderson failed to recheck the game footballs after he lost control of them “for the 1st time in 19 years”. Walt failed to perform his due diligence and gives a sense that the Patriots were set up by allowing the lost footballs to still go into play.

  36. I agree with a neutral arbitrator. Lets get to the bottom of this.
    Wells said the Patriots and Brady did not cooperate. Not true. Ball boy interviewed on four separate occasions. Brady spent a whole day answering questions. He did not give up his cell phone, but why would he do that? His personal life would ave been leaked to every trash paper and would be displayed at every supermarket check out line.

    Lets have a neutral party decide, not someone who is bought and paid for by Roger Goodel.

  37. turtlehut says: May 11, 2015 10:55 AM

    Just answer a couple of questions:
    Why the ball boy called himself “the deflator”
    Why Brady and the Patriots refused to cooperate with the investigation – Brady completely, the Patriots partially
    Why Brady refused to answer the simple question posed by reporters (“did you tell anyone to deflate the footballs?”). Finally, there are not too many possible explanations why the Patriots suddenly became nearly fumble free in 2007, the year after the rule change that made it possible to cheat by deflating balls.
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    1) Because it was his job to make sure the balls were at the lowest level possible. The refs often would pump them up to high. It says so in the report. Did he push it past 12.5 Well it seems so. The punishment should fit the crime.

    2)The Patriots completely cooperated. Wells requested a SIXTH interview with McNally who works a regular full time job. Thats a little over the top. Brady was interviewed for the report, even though not one of his answers are mentioned in it. NO ONE here would give their personal phone to an employer without the courts demanding so. In fact it sets a terrible precedent for players to have to turn over their phones and be threatened with suspension if they dont. Im sure after all the leaks, they do a great job keeping whatever is on his phone out of the public eye(sarcasm)

    3) I havent heard this as an issue. But Im sure he did tell them to deflate the footballs, I just doubt he said please deflate them below 12.5 psi. I dont think he ever thought it was a big deal.

    4) The fumble BS by Sharp Analysis was debunked by Nate Silver and Deadspin pretty quickly. It was completely wrong and used incorrect stats. Its been pretty widely known since January.

  38. Weren’t Pats fans saying that the report was being delayed because the NFL didn’t find anything on the Pats? Weren’t they saying that the only ball bellow the limits was the ball intercepted by the Colts? Funny now that the report came to light they are changing the strategy yet again.

  39. How can Goodell tarnish Brady’s reputation forever because he was “generally aware” of something that “was more probable than not?” That standard is not sufficiently concrete. There is simply NO HARD EVIDENCE on which to ruin someone’s reputation forever. But I have NO FAITH in Goodell to do the right thing. He bases everything on public opinion and PR, not what’s fair and right. Further, the Wells report is terribly flawed. Instead of just laying out the facts, Wells draws conclusions from the facts, and he doubles down by using the amorphous “more probable than not” standard. In other words, he acts as the Judge and the Jury. Finally, as Mike points out, the head referee Walt Anderson remembers that he used the air gauge that makes the Patriot footballs IN COMPLIANCE. But because Anderson was not 100% certain of this, Wells actually draws THE OPPOSITE CONCLUSION and assumes that he USED THE OTHER GAUGE. Any lawyer worth his jock would destroy that “conclusion” in court. THE REPORT SIMPLY HAS NO MERIT.

  40. It’s funny that when Goodell is crippling and crushing other organizations and sliding Patriot cheating under the rug, the Pats fans are all about good ol’ Rog. Then, when they get caught cheating (yet again), and (for once) he wants to do something about it, they are at the NFL gates with torches and pitchforks screaming for his head. You’ll never get the tarnish off of those Lombardi’s no matter how hard you scrub. Good luck with that.

  41. Pats fan timeline:

    When the idea of cheating came to light: Pats fans laughing
    When the Mortenssen report came to light: Pats fans in denial
    When the Scheffer report came to light: Pats fans bold and accusatory
    When the NFL announced an investigation: Pats fans scare
    When the report was delayed: Pats fans bold again
    When the report was releases: Pats fans in denial
    Pats fans today: Let’s blame the gauge

  42. I’d like to see where Goodell comes down on this. If he suggests a minor fine in accordance with the minor level of the supposed infraction along with the complete lack of evidence of ANY infraction occurring, and gives, say, a $50k fine in accordance with Brett Favre of the Chargers not cooperating fully with investigations, that’s fine. If he tries to drop the hammer, sue them all and leave the NFL a pile of smoldering rubble. Burn this mother to the ground.

  43. jethog1 says:
    May 11, 2015 11:14 AM

    I am shocked at the number of people that defend and/or turn their backs to cheating.

    Facts:

    – A NFL QB knows, by feel, when a ball is under inflated.
    – There is no question that the balls were deflated by the Pats.
    -No equipment manager is going to take it on his own to decide that the QB wants the ball deflated.
    – The seven years prior to the teams having control of the balls during the TOM’s QB rating was 88 compared to 106 in the seven years after. The team fumbles also dropped 40 percent. Both of these changes happen right away and stayed the same each year. Same QB and same coach yet huge un explainable differences.
    -Tom refuse to turn over requested information.
    -The Pats have a history of cheating and their fans just do not care.
    -Tom’s QB rating will go down and the teams fumbles will go up yet the fans will still not acknowledge that it is because they were forced to stop cheating.

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    -A QB is not a pressure gauge. He knows what feels good, you can’t have him feel a ball and tell you the psi. QBs will also know that weather impacts the feel of a ball so they would not question a ball feeling a bit softer once they’re outside.
    -The home team always had control of the balls, the only difference is that the away team could now rough up the balls as they want. I’m sure that helped lots of QBs but it certainly isn’t a sign of anything wrong.
    -Brady should not hand over his personal cell phone and the NFLPA wouldnot be happy with that precedent. Any communications with the two other guys was on their phones.

  44. If the NFLPA wants to take away the Commissioner’s power to arbitrate these disciplinary hearings, then the union is going to have to give up something BIG in return, whether it likes it or not. Perhaps the whole annual escalator clause on the salary cap goes away, or the formula which requires RIDICULOUS salaries for players on which the franchise tag is applied is done away with. NO WAY the League will or should just roll over and surrender a power this significant that was collectively bargained, even if the proposal that arbitrations should be overseen by a neutral third party makes sense (and it does). If the players want that to happen…they are going to have to give something up. THAT is what the players wanted when they unionized and insisted on collective bargaining.

  45. and to add to my comment above ask yourself why the Vikings and panthers were caught tampering with balls live on national tv and had no fine, why the chargers were caught putting a sticky substance on a ball and only fined 20 000 and now they are talking about suspensions for an infraction that is based on errors and no hard facts

  46. Want the discipline to be neutral and unbiased?

    Then follow your own damn rulebook NFL! You already have rules outlining the penalty for ball tampering. A $25K fine!

    Or does neutral and unbiased only apply when it’s not the Patriots?

  47. I don’t think any NFL player should be obliged to allow the NFL to examine their personal phone records and email accounts. I don’t believe any employee should be forced to comply with these requests from any employer, unless the phones are paid for by the employer. The Patriots handed over the phones that were Patriots property to aid in the investigation. Tom Brady’s phone is his personal property.
    Does anyone not believe that all of Brady’s text messages, or email messages to Belichick, his agent or his lawyer would be read? Regardless of what Wells said regarding the scope of the search, we know it would not be true. When I see published text messages between an employee and his mother, or of a season ticket holder selling his seats, Wells guarantees ring hollow.
    However, I highly suspect the telephones of a large number of NFL employees are paid for by the league, and as such, could be asked to be handed over to the investigation. A lot of answers to who provided the misleading, and faulty information – and to whom – would provide for some interesting reading. But this would certainly cast a cloud over the NFL, and if you are paying 7 figures for a report, you get only in the report what you want in the report.

  48. I love the spin from one of the first comments. Brady didn’t cooperate at all?? He spent 5 hours with investigators he just didn’t give his cell phone over. Which shouldn’t really matter because they wanted to see his communication with the other 2 who they already had their cell records. Learn the facts if the case before you go spouting off about cheater this or cheater that. But unfortunately we have become a nation of headline readers only

  49. Suspension has to be severe, otherwise teams will cheat if they can win a super bowl. TB and BB should get one year bans. Make an example of the men at the top.

  50. jethog1 says: May 11, 2015 11:14 AM

    I am shocked at the number of people that defend and/or turn their backs to cheating.

    Facts:

    – A NFL QB knows, by feel, when a ball is under inflated.
    – There is no question that the balls were deflated by the Pats.
    -No equipment manager is going to take it on his own to decide that the QB wants the ball deflated.
    – The seven years prior to the teams having control of the balls during the TOM’s QB rating was 88 compared to 106 in the seven years after. The team fumbles also dropped 40 percent. Both of these changes happen right away and stayed the same each year. Same QB and same coach yet huge un explainable differences.
    -Tom refuse to turn over requested information.
    -The Pats have a history of cheating and their fans just do not care.
    -Tom’s QB rating will go down and the teams fumbles will go up yet the fans will still not acknowledge that it is because they were forced to stop cheating.
    ————————————

    The fumbles didnt drop by 40%. Youre flat out wrong. it was already established that the person used lost fumbles and thats a joke. He should hvae been using total fumbles. The patriots do have a higher ratio of recovered fumbles though. Good try.

    You must not watch much football becasue as of 2007 Id say the Pats focused on the short passing hame after the COLTs got the rule changed. That lead to much more offense and a high passer rating. Good try again.

    He refused to turn over his personal phone which no one should have to do unless a court says so. He was interviewed. Strike 3 buddy.

    I see youre a Jets fan. I already feel bad enough for you…

  51. Enough with the fumbling conspiracies. Do you really think the footballs were flat over the last 7 years, 150 games, the thousands of times the refs handled the footballs and not a single one noticed a damn thing wrong with the feel of them??? Give it a rest haters.

  52. turtlehut says:
    May 11, 2015 10:55 AM

    Just answer a couple of questions:
    Why the ball boy called himself “the deflator”
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    He was referring the 16psi balls Brady was complaining about from the Jets game…
    **********************************************
    Why Brady and the Patriots refused to cooperate with the investigation – Brady completely, the Patriots partially
    **********************************************
    Brady and the Patriots did cooperate, it was left out of the report for “some” reason. Why didn’t he give up his phone? One phrase “The Fappening”, with all the leaks that come out of the NFL would you trust them to handle the phone of someone who between his wife and himself is worth over a billion dollars and world famous??? Hell No!
    **********************************************
    Why Brady refused to answer the simple question posed by reporters (“did you tell anyone to deflate the footballs?”).
    **********************************************
    Why would he have to answer a reporters question? That’s a stupid question. Brady is protected by the Union, he was told by them not to answer any questions.
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    Finally, there are not too many possible explanations why the Patriots suddenly became nearly fumble free in 2007, the year after the rule change that made it possible to cheat by deflating balls.
    ***********************************************
    Perhaps it’s because if you fumble you ride the bench? The amount the Patriots fumble is within 4 tents of the number of times the top ten teams in that category every year. They average just over the 5th position in the fewest fumbles category from 2007 to 2014. Are the other 4 teams deflating balls??? In 2013 they were 24th in fumbles, so your math doesn’t work there does it?

  53. Bottom line is that there is no argument regarding the “scientific analysis” In the Wells Report.

    The data is completely flawed and was not collected under scientific conditions, and the starting data was not recorded. No onclusions can be drawn from it.

    The Patriots balls likely fell as predicted by the relationship between pressure and temperature as did the Colts, and the very modest discrepencies observed were most probably the result of Measurment error (gauge calibration, operator differences, temporality of measurements and reliance on Andersons memory).

    The NFL has not established that a crime was committed, let alone who committ ed it. I hope it ends up before an arbitor or a court because there is no way this holds up.

  54. The fumble numbers over the years align with other winning teams fumble rates. Again, look it up before accusing people of cheating. But I know it’s way easier to just accuse accuse accuse so nothing is going to change.

  55. So Pats haters riddle me this.

    Assuming for a moment that Brady is guilty. Why are you not also calling for the same sort of suspensions and punishment for –

    Vikings and Panthers seen heating balls in front of gas heaters on the sideline in violation of the rules, clearly something they did commonly and without a second thought to doing so.

    Aaron Rodgers / Green Bay, Rodgers stated clearly he has the balls over inflated because he likes them that way and hopes the ball attendant can get them through. Since the NFL was clearly lax about checking pressure and rarely did so Rodgers must have gotten numerous overinflated balls through and used them in games.

    Fairs fair after all. If you punish one team/player of this you must punish the other ones that were blatantly caught. Not doing so and for you people posting to crucify Brady but saying nothing about the other teams with similar infractions, that’s called a double standard and invalidates everything you’re complaining about.

  56. The fumble data is a complete myth. And the team may have won more Super Bowls from 2000-2006 but they’ve actually had better teams from 2007 to present (check the regular season win percentages). Stevan Ridley was generally their lead ball carrier in the past 4 seasons and he was benched multiple times for fumbling problems.

    Keep throwing stuff up against the wall, people. Jealousy is fueling this whole thing. Had this story been about Alex Smith deflating balls in KC, nobody would say a word about it. And you know it.

  57. Since the NFL does not have a history of checking balls at halftime, how do they know how much air balls lose naturally? The whole investigation was unscientific. The only punishment that should be given, should be for lack of cooperation.

  58. I can’t believe some of the comments here: First, there is the delusion guy, who thinks that Kraft “gave” Putin a SB ring. Putin STOLE it.

    Then there are the ones, who say the Patriots cheated multiple times. Since this report is VERY questionable, as of now, it is really ONE time, and funny this is, they admitted it immediately.

  59. Seriously?

    As an NFL fan, I don’t have a single problem with Brady not playing in that game due to a suspension.

    He IS NOT the only player in the NFL. And actually, he is not the ONLY high profile player either, for that matter.

    As a Saints fan, this stinks of favoritism. Nobody cared what happened to us, even though it was proven that there was NO PROOF and we were resolved, our HC still sat out a year, including the punishments to our GM also.

    Us here in the Big Easy have ABSOLUTELY NO SYMPATHY for how the Patriots and their fans feel about this whole mess.

    Everyone was ready to crucify us and gave us no benefit of the doubt.

    Doesn’t feel very good, does it?

  60. restoreintegritytonfl says:May 11, 2015 10:58 AM

    Patriots fumbles:

    2000-2006 once every 42 touches
    2007-2014 once every 74 touches

    Brady lobbied league for rule change in 2006. The data is accurate.

    —-

    Too bad for you this report has already been debunked. But keep reposting it over and over and maybe then it will be true.

  61. Patriots fumbles:

    2000-2006 once every 42 touches
    2007-2014 once every 74 touches

    Brady lobbied league for rule change in 2006. The data is accurate.

    ______

    The data is accurate but misleading.

    The Patriots fumble the ball as much as anyone. What they are better than everyone else at is recovering their own fumbles.

    Having less air in a football does not make it easier for the Patriots to recover the ball once it is loose on the turf.

    That comes from training and discipline. Two things that the Patriots have plenty of.

  62. The NFL does not possess authority to search players homes, vehicles, computers, ……PHONES. The players union has granted the NFL to obtain bodily fluids….but that is it. Being punished for a refusal to hand over emails is a n on starter and any arbiter not named Goodell would toss this particular complaint out in seconds. No wonder Goodell will fight to remain prosecutor, judge and jury

  63. There are now so many issues regarding the accuracy of the report that the commissioner is likely to rely on Brady’s failure to turn over his cell phone. Since Wells had the actual accused “deflators” phones, he would have any communications from Brady to them. What was Wells looking to see? Brady’s communications with his lawyers? Oooops. Attorney client privilege. Courts will have a field day with that!
    ————————————————–
    Interesting. Nobody had any problem with hearsay and no proof over Bountygate, now did they?

    Double standard is what gets the NFL in a mess to begin with. You apply discipline equally, or you don’t do it at all.

    Doesn’t feel good when the shoe is on the other foot, huh?

    Where was all that “crying” about accuracy, hearsay, reasonable doubt, etc., when it was the Saints?

    Yeah, I thought so…

  64. It’s funny how public opinion has shifted throughout this debacle. When it was first reported after the AFC championship, everyone howled murder. Then actual facts came out and people shifted to the pats’ side. The surface headlines of the wells report come out and so do the torches and pitchforks. Then, reporters actually decided to scrutinize the report and here we are again with opinion shifting to the Pats.

    If this whole thing isn’t a case study of how the new media and the rush to report immediately has a substantial impact on public opinion, I’m not sure what else would be. We rely on journalists to get it right, not “first.” Instead of rushing out headlines that provide an inaccurate depiction of the events, perhaps our reporters should take a moment to analyze what they’re reporting upon.

  65. Brady managed to beat the Jests with balls inflated up to 16 psi.

    Perhaps someone can explain why a referee pumped a ball up to 16 psi after being told that the Patriots preference for ball inflation was 12.5 psi. So much for the integrity of the game!!

    This whole things a joke – why wouldn’t Brady ask his crew to make sure that he wasn’t getting screwed by bent referees. Why should he be expected to play with an illegal ball provided by the referees?

    At least he didn’t whine and bitch about it to the league like the crybaby Colts.

  66. Brady is totally being thrown under the Bus. Kraft and Goodell had to give the public someone to punish…it wasn’t going to be the Pats origination, that would question the integrity of the league and maybe send the signal you only win if you cheat.

    Brady is at the end of his career, total scapegoat he gets suspended then traded/cut and everyone moves on. The team and the league can say they had no idea what he was doing and he looks like a rogue player.

    The coach, staff, and players all know exactly what was done to those balls. Did it change the game? Probably not, but that’s really besides the point this is just one of many examples teams do to gain an advantage. Just like the illegal substitutions, pumping crowd noise into a stadium, taping signals, even the shape of certain stadiums to reflect sound back onto the field.

  67. I haven’t seen the Pats fans this nervous since the found out the Ravens were coming to town. At that point deflating balls wasn’t enough they had to skirt the rules with illegal substitution plays.

    I think the punishment should be before every NFL game next year everyone gets to see Bob kraft help his girlfriend with her acting career. google it

  68. Pats fan timeline:

    When the idea of cheating came to light: Pats fans laughing
    When the Mortenssen report came to light: Pats fans in denial
    When the Scheffer report came to light: Pats fans bold and accusatory
    When the NFL announced an investigation: Pats fans scare
    When the report was delayed: Pats fans bold again
    When the report was releases: Pats fans in denial
    Pats fans today: Let’s blame the gauge
    ===
    I’ve been saying blame the gauges and initial measurements/conditions for three months now. It was the simplest explanation.

  69. On Exponent’s “bathroom deflation simulations”…..two things:

    1. they used an air gauge that measures to 1/1000th of a pound, while both of Walt’s gauges measured to 5/100ths (and between the two had a range of variation). why didn’t they do this test with Walt’s gauges in order to have an accurate comparison?

    2. the ‘post bathroom’ measurements don’t factor in the Ideal Gas Law.

  70. What? Now the NFLPA chimes in on this?

    Where is the media destroying the NFLPA for defending Brady, whom the media has already decided is guilty of everything wrong in the entire world? Oh the media loves unions, and the NFLPA is a union who pays lawyers millions, and those lawyers advocate for the political candidates that the media loves, so the media ignores whatever the NFLPA does.

  71. according to the wells report, the balls weren’t deflated at all. 8 of 12 were in the range predicted by teh ideal gas law (4 of 8 were actually above). 4 were slightly below.

    THe colts balls were also deflated if you ignore the ideal gas law.

    It’s like charging someone with bank robbery when the bank wasn’t robbed.

  72. Funny the Patriots haters have all the confidence in the world when it comes to disciplining the Patriots. But if it was something else they’d give the accurate answer. Basically NFL headquarters is incompetent. Just look at all the loose end and assumptions as opposed to hard facts in the deflategate report. Of course they should not be the final word because they have an agenda. FREE TOM BRADY!!!

  73. Weren’t Pats fans saying that the report was being delayed because the NFL didn’t find anything on the Pats? Weren’t they saying that the only ball bellow the limits was the ball intercepted by the Colts? Funny now that the report came to light they are changing the strategy yet again.

    ==============================================

    but the report doesn’t say anything

  74. If Goodell messes up with the # of games Brady is suspended, then does not have a “”truly independent” arbitrator, that crunching sound you will be hearing will be that straw and we’ll see a dead camel staring Goodell right in the face.

    There is one advantage for Goodell to have a neutral arbitrator. If the arbitrator lessens the suspension significantly, then he can wash his hands of the final result and penalty and say it wasn’t his fault.

  75. The Wells Report says that Walt Anderson had never lost sight of the game balls before a game in 19 years, and all of the other official questioned on the practice said they never lose sight of the balls, yet Ted Wells concludes that McNally has a history of deflating balls because he called himself the “deflator”.

    So, did the officials watch McNally do it?

    Man, you can’t make this stuff up.

  76. nflpoker says:
    May 11, 2015 12:00 PM

    There is one advantage for Goodell to have a neutral arbitrator. If the arbitrator lessens the suspension significantly, then he can wash his hands of the final result and penalty and say it wasn’t his fault.

    —–

    one problem….then everyone will say Goddell SHOULD HAVE made the call.

  77. It’s so funny to see all the Pats fans regurgitate nonsense they read on other pro-pats blogs. It’s like the 9/11 truthers, poke a tiny hole here and there–then that means EVERYONE is a liar and conspirator! its boring. Brady got caught, he will pay, by proxy so will his team. How much, no one knows but No Cred Red, and he has not meted his punishment out. Like it or not, whatever idea of integrity the NFL has left is on the line here kids. Something has to be done.

  78. As the world turns … Controversy can make strange bed-fellows. If they use a real unbiased arbiter this time, they open a can that the leagues has shown not to want – ever.

    I think the Pats will ride with Goodell. After all, he is the same one who destroyed evidence for them in the much bigger scandal of spygate. I think they feel safe, he’ll be gentle.

  79. Why hasn’t tom brady claimed his innocence yet? Oh right, he’s guilty. Brady isn’t going to push this too hard. Last thing he wants is for a real investigation to be done so we find out how big of a cheater he really is.

  80. Amazing how many experts here haven’t actually read the Wells report. Here is an idea, read the whole thing including footnotes and endnotes and the appendix. You can’t base your comments on headlines. The thing is a joke.

  81. Saints got the book thrown at them without one single shred of proof that anyone was intentionally injured nor any amount paid for such an unsubstantiated occurrence. In the case of the Pats…there’s evidence everywhere. They should have the book thrown at them as well…to quote Goodell…’Sean Payton is the head coach, ignorance is no excuse’. And, he was suspended for an entire season…Brady and Belichek should receive the same…anything less would be a tragedy…Goodell set the precedent and he’s married to it forever now. #The Payton Precedent.

  82. tomasoo says:
    May 11, 2015 12:00 PM

    Weren’t Pats fans saying that the report was being delayed because the NFL didn’t find anything on the Pats? Weren’t they saying that the only ball bellow the limits was the ball intercepted by the Colts? Funny now that the report came to light they are changing the strategy yet again.
    ——————————————————
    That’s because Pats fans or for that matter John Q Public had no idea that 3 of 4 Colts balls tested were also under 12.5. And why didn’t we all know this? Because the Patriots lawyers had to sign a confidentiality agreement before the league would let them see the results of the testing at halftime. Think about that. Kravitz is tweeting by the middle of the second half about Patriots balls being under inflated yet the Patriots have to sign an agreement not to blow the lid off this whole one team cheated crap. I beg all of you, read that piece of crap report. The sewerage passed off as evidence is astounding.

  83. Fans hope NFL punishes Pats and Krapft for repeated violations, for a change.

    Cant burn this tape, Rog?

    Only Pats homer fans are crying today.

  84. Tell me this sounds porfessional – excerpt on bALL psi – ludicrous ——-According to our scientific consultants, however, the
    reduction in pressure of the Patriots game balls cannot be explained completely by basic
    scientific principles, such as the Ideal Gas Law, “based on the circumstances and conditions likely”
    to have been present on the day of the AFC Championship Game. In addition, the average
    pressure drop of the Patriots game balls exceeded the average pressure drop of the Colts balls by
    100.45 to 1.02 psi, “depending on various possible assumption”s regarding the gauges used, and
    “assuming” an initial pressure of 12.5 psi for the Patriots balls and 13.0 psi for the Colts balls.

  85. Pats Haters are so mad. It’s actually funny to me. The more they hate the more I laugh. You are so jealous that your team is hot garbage and the only reason to explain all of the winning seasons that the Patriots have had is by taking less than a pound of air out of some footballs and some videotapes. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds.

    If it’s really about game integrity where is the outrage against the browns, falcons, Jets?

  86. The NFL has no business ever using the phrase “integrity of the game” again. The league office had been notified by the Colts, and Kensil was at the AFCCG. He allowed the first half of the game to be played with balls that were alleged to be tampered with. And why? So that he could “catch” the Patriots?

    The Saints were warned prior to the bountygate investiagion. The Vikings and Panthers were warned in that cold weather game last season.

    I know that many people feel that a warning wasn’t “deserved” in this case, but why not? If the Pats were warned and their balls checked then none of this debacle takes place. The NFL could’ve changed the ball handling protocols in the off-season, and there would’ve been no issues.

    Do even the haters feel that the Wells report presents satisfying evidence? What if it was your team? If it was my team, I’d want much, much better evidence if punishment was to be given.

    Some ballboy calling himself “the deflator” doesn’t prove anything.

    The fumble statistic myth has been debunked – see Deadspin.

    Wells’ conclusion basically says “we don’t have any evidence to prove anything, but we’re going to say they probably tampered with the footballs”.

    The NFL has not been objective or uninvolved in the outcome of this investigation from day one.

  87. It’s like charging someone with bank robbery when the bank wasn’t robbed.
    ===
    I think it’s more like a murder case with the victim watching from the front row of the gallery.

  88. Brady got caught, he will pay, by proxy so will his team.
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    Again: if you believe Walt Anderson’s recollection, there was nothing to catch. The NWE balls were at the pressure they should have been.

  89. restoreintegritytonfl says:
    May 11, 2015 10:56 AM

    Check the fumbling data. Patriots have been cheating for years!

    Mmmm yeah, that didn’t seem to help Stevan
    Ridley much.

    Trust me I get it. People are sick of seeing the 2 of them winning year after year after year.

    Well if it makes you feel any better, we all get old at some point.

  90. Let’s see Browns were punished for their texting, Falcons were punished for their crowd noise. Maybe that is why people care more? Despite the evidence against him, and also the unwillingness to be open during the investigation, the Pats and Brady continue to stick with their story.

  91. Easy to blame the equipment and the people operating them. When were they last tested and calibrated. Did the referee receive training on correctly operating the equipment?

    Forget suspending Brady on deflated footballs.

    Better IMO to just focus on the Deflator taking the balls to the washroom and field against league rules and hammer the Pats and Belicheck for that and that and not completely cooperating with the investigation.

    That will hurt Brady way more than an individual suspension. Eventually the Deflator will sell the truth to TMZ or the highest bidder anyways.

  92. Kraft should have voted against the CBA like the Steelers did. From what I remember, the reason they voted against was due to this very issue (leaving everything in the commissioner’s hands).

  93. “deflategate was just an outlet for all of america to cope with tom brady being the GOAT…hopefully everyone can come to their senses soon and appreciate this guy for being the mj of our generation and constantly performing like no nfl player ever has….he’s truly an icon…go brady”

    I generally see Peyton Manning as the MJ of this football generation. Hes equally as good and his teams arent getting busted for integrity of the game violations every 7 years.

  94. ****WideWideWorldOfSports says:May 11, 2015 11:24 AM

    No dog in this fight but…..
    What the NFLPA , Kraft and Brady should do is ask RG and the NFL why in the world Walt Anderson failed to recheck the game footballs after he lost control of them “for the 1st time in 19 years”. Walt failed to perform his due diligence and gives a sense that the Patriots were set up by allowing the lost footballs to still go into play. ***

    I was upset I could only give this one thumbs up. The NFL wanted those balls on the field. Imagine if the game was close and they let those balls in play for the first half.

  95. I love how the investigators give no credit to any testimony given by Patriots witnesses but take the NFL’s security testimony as if it was the word of God himself. Also they make a big deal of Brady screaming about balls being too hard at a Jets game. The same exact Jets game where psi was measured at 16, well over the limit and that the refs had pumped up the balls to that pressure after it had been requested they be set at 12.5. I’d love to know who the ref was at that game.

  96. I’m no Pats hater…I actually have a ton of respect for the organization. I am a Saints fan however…and, as such, I want to see the same ridiculous punishment my team had to endure. Tom Brady compromised the integrity of the game, period. That should come with significant sanctions against him, the head coach, the GM and next years draft…just as the Saints had to endure. Remember, not one shred of evidence was ever proven or substantiated during bountygate…not one!

  97. As a lifelong Patriots fan, I sincerely hope that Brady sticks it to EVERYONE and retires before this joke reaches it’s conclusion. He doesn’t need another NFL dollar anyway, he’s all set. Move out of this country, Tom, build a palace or two and don’t pay any more taxes in this country. Tell the Hall Of Fame thanks, but you’ve got a prior family commitment and won’t be able to make it. And – thanks for the four Lombardis, buddy!!!

  98. Now that we’ve seen the details of the investigation – including the completely unverified and inconclusive data about the Colts game and Wells’s disregard of witness testimony – it’s clear that this whole investigation is just a farce.

    I just can’t fathom how the NFL would want to create so much controversy and dirty its own image, and the image of the game, this way, when it would have been so easily avoidable.

    In what other pro sport does the league itself go out of its way to tarnish its champion, its most successful team, its own reputation? It’s completely baffling.

  99. Regardless of what the league does to him, I watched what he did to that Seattle defense. The same defense that Manning was simply over matched by. This guy is the best QB in the History of the NFL.

  100. The beliefs and mentality of most of these commenters are sad and comical. The haters still to this day cannot explain what Spygate was, their beliefs are wrong. Most of these people still believe the fabricated story regarding the Superbowl with the Rams. They will ignore the scientific findings and Walt Anderson, which together exonerate the Patriots in the AFC Championship game. The league and Roger Goodell in particular have have also ignored the truth and are more responsible for the incorrect trumping up of beliefs than anyone. The Patriots were guilty of jaywalking in Spygate, but in his misguided arrogance, Goodell failed to properly lay out the infraction, instead using misconception as a springboard to establish his authority. They were guilty of no infraction in the Rams SB. The evidence so far in this case points to exoneration in the AFC Championship game. Any other ball infraction is nothing but conjecture based on the anal demands of a controlling perfectionist, mentally torturing two employees. In this Internet age, truth has no meaning. It is the rantings of the ignorant masses that control the media and the conversation. We will see in this case if the misinformed masses control Roger Goodell.

  101. Oh my dear sheep. At the end of the day, depending on what $2 gauge they may or may have not used the air pressure was barely below the minimum.

    If you truly believe that that gave Brady an advantage you’re an idiot. I encourage you not to reproduce. Doing so would only make things worse for future generations.

    Instead of worrying about air pressure in balls I suggest:

    Reading a book about science.

    Take steps towards a better lawn.

    Get your tires rotated.

    Call your Parents.

    Play legos with your kids.

    Ask your wife how her day went and actually care about the response.

    Find a new recipe and make it. Grilling is preferable.

    Leave your phone inside and then go outside.

    Go fishing.

    Do some laundry.

    Above are just a few things that mean so much more than the pressure of balls. You’re welcome and good luck.

  102. imodan says:
    May 11, 2015 12:34 PM
    I love how the investigators give no credit to any testimony given by Patriots witnesses but take the NFL’s security testimony as if it was the word of God himself. Also they make a big deal of Brady screaming about balls being too hard at a Jets game. The same exact Jets game where psi was measured at 16, well over the limit and that the refs had pumped up the balls to that pressure after it had been requested they be set at 12.5. I’d love to know who the ref was at that game.
    ========================================

    Bill Leavy was the referee in the October Pats-Jets game. Interestingly, Carl Paganelli was the umpire….and he was also the umpire in the AFC Championship game.

  103. Whether the arbitrator is neutral or not, Brady won’t be able to get away without a suspension, no matter the # of games it will turn out to be. The NFL has committed themselves to giving out some
    sort of suspension. They can’t back out now. That would create more problems. Besides, the arbitrator won’t cancel out the entire suspension anyway.

    So at the end of the day, his image will be shot, and he will look like one of the 1919 Chicago Black Sox.

    You can debate the Wells report, Aaron Rodgers, the Vikings/Panthers game, his supposed lying (true or not), the lack of cooperation(true or not), and the cover-up (true or not) till you are blue in the face. It won’t matter. The NFL will more than likely come down hard or have themselves look like they are playing favorites.

    It won’t be a mere 4 games. That is what you get substance abuse. The NFL knows it has to be a lot more.

  104. Regarding the phones (and emails), I’m sorry, but if the SEC is investigating a Wall Street bank and asks its top trader for his records, he better do so or they are all in deep doodie. If the DOJ asks a politician’s chief of staff for records relating to campaign finances and all phone/email stuff related to that and he says “no,” down comes the hammer.

    One other point: you don’t cooperate with the regulatory agency and your employers usually drop a hammer of their own because you’ve put the whole company at risk.

    The Wells guys asked for Brady’s phone and emails and allowed Brady and his lawyers to vet them beforehand to make sure it was only the stuff applicable to the case, and still they said no. How much more Brady-friendly could that request have been? What are they hiding? An erased (but still discoverable) v-mail from the stooges saying “Tawmmy, they caught us, what do we do now?” Something worse? A call from Brady to a sports book in Vegas saying the fix is in? I have no idea, but whatever they are hiding, it must be worse than the current media firestorm. And that’s pretty huge.

    Did Richie Incognito turn over his cellphone for the bullying investigation? Yes–so don’t quote the NFLPA/precedent issue.

    If you catch your kid possibly misbehaving and all you get are half-truths, do you accept them and say “okay, whatever” or do you come down harder?

  105. Brady is the only one viable from their latest bait and switch move. And he has neglected to use the NFLPA so why would he now?

  106. I just love reading the comments suggesting that Kraft be forced to sell the team or that Brady and Belichick be suspended for an entire season. Look guys, people can disagree about the report (I think it’s garbage), but you need to get some sense of reality. That punishment isn’t happening. It’s not even in the realm of possibility. So go ahead and hate the Patriots all you want, but if nobody’s getting executed here, as much as you may want it to happen.

  107. Regardless of who you side with in this case I think Goodell should have to be the one to own up and give out the punishment. That is the current policy and it should be dealt with as so. Why give this corrupt Commissioner the chance to bow out. He should treat this just how he’s treated other players that have caused question to the integrity of the game. He does not deserve the opportunity to “stay out of this”.

  108. any neutral arbitrator with even a lick of common sense , will throw out this Trash Wells report in about 2 seconds . thats why the league will fine and suspend brady knowing the suspension will be laughed out of a neutral arbitration court !

  109. imodan
    I pray this ends up in the courts. I really do.
    ——————
    I agree. The data has to be checked on all 32 teams regarding management of footballs, etc. Of course, this means opinion up Patriots data about fumbles, etc. Not to mention that Brady will have to turn over his phone.

  110. If that Pats just simply quit cheating in a repeated, serial manner none of this would matter.

    We do know the Pats got caught illegally taping other teams’ practices allowing them to know plays on both sides of the ball before the snap.

    We do know the Pats engaged in illegal substitutions though that the refs should have put a stop to it.

    We do know the Pats deflated the balls.

    And as someone else posted, we do know that between 2003 – 2006 the Pats were never in the top 10 in terms of least fumbles (i.e. #1 being least fumbles) and in fact in 2006 they were #22.

    Then Brady lobbied for the rule change before the 2007 season.

    In 2007 they were #1 in the NFL for fewest fumbles and have been in the top 5 every year since with the exception of 2013 and in fact were #1 twice.

    Now if memory serves, Belicheat was the coach during this entire time so it’s not like he was the difference. No, it was playing with deflated balls that could be better gripped.

    Also the thought that the coach didn’t notice is a real joke.

    Ban both Brady and Belichick for a year. Fine Kraft 7 figures and put the all on a two strike list. Take away 4 picks including a first and a second.

  111. NO ONE here would give their personal phone to an employer without the courts demanding so.

    ………….

    If I was innocent and had nothing to hide, and knew that what was on that phone would exonerate me and my now tainted image… I would sure as hell consider it. I would also demand to be in the room with my attorneys when they looked through it.

  112. Please, please Tom Brady, sue the NFL, Roger Goodell, and Ted Wells for $100,000,000 and for this injustice to go to court. You will win hands down!!!

    Shut the mouths of the haters…

  113. NO ONE here would give their personal phone to an employer without the courts demanding so.

    ………….

    If I was innocent and had nothing to hide, and knew that what was on that phone would exonerate me and my now tainted image… I would sure as hell consider it. I would also demand to be in the room with my attorneys when they looked through it.

    Another ill-informed person. Did you know that the kicker, Goskowski, who was fully exonerated by Wells, also refused to turn over his phone? They might not be helping the investigation as a way of saying ‘F* you Goodell,’ or perhaps because it sets a horrible precedent for all future players. PLEASE read and study before you spout off.

  114. As a huge lifelong Patriots fans, I think they just need to get this behind them as fast as possible and move on.

    It’s clear that there was some level of cheating going on. Trying to nitpick the investigation seems pointless. There’s just too much there to try to call it a coincidence and not enough evidence. It is what it is.

    Hopefully they can just do a 1 game suspension so people can stop talking about this and do what we do best…..WIN!

  115. Regarding the phones (and emails), I’m sorry, but if the SEC is investigating a Wall Street bank and asks its top trader for his records, he better do so or they are all in deep doodie. If the DOJ asks a politician’s chief of staff for records relating to campaign finances and all phone/email stuff related to that and he says “no,” down comes the hammer.

    The government doesn’t ask for those records. They convince a judge to issue a search warrant or subpoena. The NFL doesn’t have that power.

    One other point: you don’t cooperate with the regulatory agency and your employers usually drop a hammer of their own because you’ve put the whole company at risk.

    And usually that’s written into an employment contract or policy. The policy here is the CBA and it says the NFL can pound sand.

    The Wells guys asked for Brady’s phone and emails and allowed Brady and his lawyers to vet them beforehand to make sure it was only the stuff applicable to the case, and still they said no. How much more Brady-friendly could that request have been? What are they hiding? An erased (but still discoverable) v-mail from the stooges saying “Tawmmy, they caught us, what do we do now?” Something worse? A call from Brady to a sports book in Vegas saying the fix is in? I have no idea, but whatever they are hiding, it must be worse than the current media firestorm. And that’s pretty huge.

    Assuming facts not in evidence

    Did Richie Incognito turn over his cellphone for the bullying investigation? Yes–so don’t quote the NFLPA/precedent issue.

    Fat lot of good it did him. Just because one player chooses to give up his protection under the CBA (and then gets screwed over) doesn’t mean everybody else does.

  116. If it was any other team other than the patriot & cowboys… The player would be suspended entire season. But because those owners are favored by the suits this will be a 2 game suspension in the preseason

  117. Pat’s fans keep saying this doesn’t prove anything, or the report is unfounded, or the NFL was using a sting, etc, etc, etc……
    Try answering this..Why did the ballboy ILLEGALLY take the balls from the ref, and ILLEGALLY sneak into a bathroom for a minute and 40 sec’s.? That alone is worth draft picks and the GM being suspended.

  118. Brady doesn’t have to give up his phone but the NFL has the right to infer what they will and suspend him.

    If an employer asks for your phone because of a work related issue – ie you’re thought to be stealing or cheating in a conspiracy with other workers – you can tell them to get lost and they can fire you.

    It’s quite simple.

  119. I agree. The data has to be checked on all 32 teams regarding management of footballs, etc. Of course, this means opinion up Patriots data about fumbles, etc. Not to mention that Brady will have to turn over his phone.
    ===
    Their fumbling is not abnormal. The study that said it was was roundly and fiecely rebutted by many statheads. Nate Silver says NEP’s fumble rates are normal. Regressing on Deadspin agrees. That fumble report has become a shibboleth when discussing NEP’s football preparations.

    And as for TB’s phone: you have no idea what is or isn’t there. Any assumption will probably be wrong.

  120. Try answering this..Why did the ballboy ILLEGALLY take the balls from the ref, and ILLEGALLY sneak into a bathroom for a minute and 40 sec’s.? That alone is worth draft picks and the GM being suspended.
    ===

    The NFL can’t answer that question either.

  121. @BledsoeBrady says:

    Hopefully they can just do a 1 game suspension so people can stop talking about this and do what we do best…..WIN!

    ——————————————————
    If it was only a 1 day suspension, then things will get worse. Things like:

    1) the Pats and Brady are getting a pass.
    2) It won’t match anywhere near the suspensions given out in the past.
    3) The NFL’s integrity will take another major hit.
    4) and the media will not let go of it.
    5) do you think people will stop talking about it. It would get worse. c’mon man.

  122. I don’t care who flips their position on an the issue.

    He didn’t cooperate, that in an of itself according to the rules, is suspension worthy. Period.

    Oh and there isn’t such a thing as a neutral arbitrator. No one is neutral anymore and won’t ever be again.

  123. boisestatewhodat says:
    May 11, 2015 11:40 AM
    Defer to the ‘Payton Precedent’…suspension for one year.

    —————————–

    I agree….when the Pats are found guilty of paying bounties to intentionally injure players…..BB should be suspended for a year.

  124. Minimum 8 game suspension for not cheating. Brady made the league look incompetent by not doing anything wrong and letting them release this horribly flawed report. He tarnished the shield!

  125. i love how people keep saying no employee would ever hand over their cell phones to their employers when everyone associated with the Ray Rice case freely gave up their cell phones with no objections

    this isn’t the court of law, TB doesn’t have to give up anything or even talk to Goddell, just like Roger doesn’t have to let TB ever play football again

  126. frankfortschooldropout says:
    May 11, 2015 1:29 PM

    I don’t care who flips their position on an the issue.

    He didn’t cooperate, that in an of itself according to the rules, is suspension worthy. Period.

    Oh and there isn’t such a thing as a neutral arbitrator. No one is neutral anymore and won’t ever be again.
    ______________________________

    He did cooperate. He just didn’t turn over his personal cell phone. The same way that NFL officials only turned over league issued phones for the Mueller report.

  127. Brady did cooperate but wasn’t stupid enough to give the S.S NFLOFFICE LEAKY SHIP his personnel phone info. Would you trust these people with your phone. If you say yes then you are dumber than you look. FREE TOM BRADY!!!

  128. You don’t negotiate you’re punishment, especially when the appeals process hasn’t even started yet. Doing so makes the NFL’s job easier.

    It like a bank owner negotiating with a bank robber to only rob some of his banks, instead of making so he can’t rob any of them.

  129. tajuara says:
    May 11, 2015 11:25 AM

    Weren’t Pats fans saying that the report was being delayed because the NFL didn’t find anything on the Pats? Weren’t they saying that the only ball bellow the limits was the ball intercepted by the Colts? Funny now that the report came to light they are changing the strategy yet again.
    _________________________________

    Actually if you use the gauge that Walt Anderson’s best recollection has him using then only one ball does come in un the expected change attributable to the Ideal Gas Law.

    NFL paid big $$$ and waited over 100 days for a report that doesn’t hold up to objective scrutiny. If Pats fans are guilty of anything it was being naïve enough to believe Wells would produce an objective report.

  130. higheriqthanyou says:
    May 11, 2015 1:03 PM
    If that Pats just simply quit cheating in a repeated, serial manner none of this would matter.

    We do know the Pats got caught illegally taping other teams’ practices allowing them to know plays on both sides of the ball before the snap.

    We do know the Pats engaged in illegal substitutions though that the refs should have put a stop to it.

    We do know the Pats deflated the balls.

    And as someone else posted, we do know that between 2003 – 2006 the Pats were never in the top 10 in terms of least fumbles (i.e. #1 being least fumbles) and in fact in 2006 they were #22.

    Then Brady lobbied for the rule change before the 2007 season.

    In 2007 they were #1 in the NFL for fewest fumbles and have been in the top 5 every year since with the exception of 2013 and in fact were #1 twice.

    —————————————

    Look, I’m not even a Pats fan, and this kind of post is incredibly tiring.

    1) No evidence was found that they videotaped the Rams walkthrough – the cameras didn’t have battery packs. The papers that made the allegation posted a retraction (You have mistakenly made this into a plural, as I’ve never heard of another allegation of this other than the aforementioned Rams walkthrough).

    2) Since when were the substitutions illegal? The FACT that the rules were changed this offseason would prove that they were not illegal.

    3) The fumble stats from Silver that are so widely quoted have been debunked. He used misleading methods and data.

    4) The Wells report itself finds that they have no evidence to prove that tampering occurred, but bafflingly comes to the conclusion that tampering likely occurred (based on cherry-picked info).

    There is no history of repeated cheating, as so many haters constantly cite. They got busted for spygate, which was not an illegal practice, but rather an issue of where the camera was placed. Even the famous 2006 memo does not prevent the videotaping of defensive signals, but reiterates that the cameras can only be in approved locations.

    If there was actual evidence of tampering with the footballs, I’d be all for punishment. But even the circumstantial stuff in the Wells report is very thin, and only amounts to anything if you make a lot of assumptions of guilt.

  131. The League informed the Patriots on Friday to prepare for anywhere from a 6 games to an entire year suspension. You should take them at their word.

    All you Brady heads who are in complete denial better wake up. It’s not just the passing advantage, but the lack of fumbles too.

    And that’s what you Brady heads don’t seem to get. But after the multiple game suspension comes down, maybe that will help you get a better grasp of the situation. Because he’s going to get suspended at least 6 games. And Goodall doesn’t over rule himself on appeals.

  132. The way I see this for the NFL is:
    A) Goodell can punish Brady and the Patriots, they ask for arbitration. Goodell gives it to his lackey Henderson, who because of his total lack of intellectual capacity, but full unblinding loyalty to his Roger, gives a ruling that when Brady and/or Patriots challenge court won’t stand up. Sound familiar try Adrian Peterson. BL- Option A further advances the Goodell needs to go voices.
    B) Goodell could come out and say, hey we (The NFL) botched the enforcement of the rule up in this instance, that we really do not have any factual evidence or scientific evidence to win this one in court. So we will fine both Brady and the Patriots $25,000, just like we did in the past. Then we will re-look the rule and the processes we have in place for enforcing the rule and we will learn and grow from this. BL-Option B will make the NFL look good, and Roger for once will seem like a profound leader.
    C) Goodell trys to find a a happy medium, and it makes no sense what he trys to do, it further fuels the Patriots got away with cheaitng again voices. it further the Goodell must go crowd, and the unbaised NFL fan is left scratching their collective heads as to why Roger made that decision. BL-Everybody looks bad, and it makes no sense.

    I don’t see any other options, but I wouldn’t put money on Option B, it is too logical.

  133. 3) The fumble stats from Silver that are so widely quoted have been debunked. He used misleading methods and data.
    ==
    You’ve got that backwards. Nate Silver did the was one of the debunkers. The debunkee who wrote the inital fumble study was Warren Sharp.

  134. Still not sure how they “know” it was Brady. It’s not like they have any direct evidence implicating him. Not turning over a personal cell phone isn’t enough.

    There will be no arbitration–it won’t get pass the appeal process. It shouldn’t have gotten this far without proof.

  135. Wells and the NFL clearly can’t handle the pressure!

    I’m amazed that Goodell thought they could get away with this libellous joke of an investigation. But I’m not surprised about the haters, LOL!

    Meanwhile, Wells has now put together a “thorough” report proving it was Brady on that grassy knoll in 1963, having decided that the date of birth numbers are irrelevant…

  136. 1 – the science part of the wells report has been proven to be full of errors and based on supposition and best recollections . so it has to be thrown out .
    2- the texts and phone calls part of the wells reports are all beased on interpreting the texts based on the premise that there was missing air from the patriots balls , since the science was thrown out the texts are thrown out as well
    3 -then you have the patriot equipment guy going to the bathroom , if you’ve throw out the text and science , the only conclusion you can come too is he had to have a pee on his way to the field .
    4- lastly you have brady not wanting to turn over his personal property and intimate data to a league that has leaked information like a siv for the last 3 months . no reasonable person can blame him for that .

    not a very firm case for any kind of fine let alone a suspension

  137. for the record I am a Pats fans and I think the Saints got ABSOLUTELY Hosed and I said it at the time

    It was another huge screw up that shows Goodells incompetence

    Peopl eneed to see the pattern here: Goodell is completely inept.

    These are things that Taglibue would have dealt with behind closed doors or dealt with in a way so you didnt feel like the WWE for every blip. Bountygate was something that happened routinely. It was a total fiasco.

  138. Brady did not have to turn over his entire cell phone. He only had to turn over relevant text messages related to deflategate with his attorney’s filtering it for him.

    He should have just done it. Now he’s paying the price. The whole legal nonsense people keep bringing up is silly. He is bound by the CBA. He can chose to refuse but pay the penalty for doing so.

  139. The NFL/Goodell should NOT be handing out hte punishment here

    They are in a no win situation. If they are smart they will just go right to an independent source like an arbitor. It is going to happen anyways. This way they can avoid stepping in it which will happen no matter which way they go. If they go soft people will say one thing, If they go hard another group wil say another.

    Shrewdest thing they can do is defer to an independent source based on the complexities and their intimate involvement.

  140. Bottom line Tom Brady knew about those deflated balls, he lied about it, covered it up, and didn’t cooperate with the investigation. The league exposed Brady as a LIAR and a CHEATER. He needs to be suspended for the entire season for not cooperating. He didn’t give up that phone because he’s hiding more. He’s a sneaky cat but now he’s been outed for who he is, and that is a FRAUD.

  141. If Goodell appoints an independent arbitrator for Brady, every single player who has been suspended under this current CBA would have just cause for a lawsuit as to why they weren’t offered the
    Same.

    Add to that the fact that he’s white and there is justification that race is prevalent. I’m not saying there is at all but he needs to tread lightly

  142. @nhpats….point to one instance, one, where the Saints were found guilty of intentionally injuring players. Point to one instance where it was proved that a player was compensated for said offense.

    You won’t find it…no proof anyone was ever injured intentionally and no proof exists where anyone got paid anything for intentionally injuring other players. Goodell undoubtedly regrets the Payton Precedent but check it…you can’t unring a bell. In the case of your pats…evidence is overflowing in yet another Patriots scandal…its called a trend. Super Bowls and all…it must suck to be a Patriots fan. Their credibility has taken a beating and fans across the country don’t believe what the Patriots are selling.

  143. Brady did not have to turn over his entire cell phone. He only had to turn over relevant text messages related to deflategate with his attorney’s filtering it for him.
    ===
    I’m certain Wells and the other investigators would have been content with whatever redacted set of messages Brady’s attorneys handed over and wouldn’t have asked for more.

    Remember: Gost didn’t give up his phone either, and he was repped by a union lawyer.

  144. boisestatewhodat says:
    May 11, 2015 2:37 PM

    Super Bowls and all…it must suck to be a Patriots fan.

    ———-

    you’ve got to be kidding. this statement is almost as absurd as the Wells Report is.

  145. I am really amazed at how Pats fans defend cheating. It’s really common sense after reading the report. Trying to blame the commish is even more mad taste. I’d be quiet.

    I’m glad my hometown & favorite team does not have these problems and hope they never do. Winning a SB is not worth it if I had to defend it because many believe it’s tainted. I think to myself how hard a decision it would be for me to cheer my team on Sundays with 1 cheating controversy let alone 2 & after 38 years it would not be the same. I couldn’t stand by my team & QB after this.

  146. If Wells’ investigation truly had been unbiased & independent, I’d completely agree that even without definitive data Brady should get a 2 game suspension for not fully co-operating. But Wells’ effort was clearly a very biased hatchet job in order to fool the public that the league is competent and to find Brady guilty regardless.

    Haters, try to put aside your hate for a moment: no one should ever be considered “guilty” for refusing to fully play along with a stitch-up. The Wells report is selective with the facts, massages the data and takes the texts out of contexts. Would you play along if that was your employer targetting you? And despite all your good work? Would you have even spoken to them? Brady did.

    Oh, I forgot, most of the hating trolls here are still in Elementary… ask your mamma.

  147. “more probable than not”…. take that into a real court of law goodell… goodell is an embarrassment . even the nba are disgusted with this new criteria …

  148. From a scientific standpoint in regards to the two different pressure gauges that had different readings…

    Ok, the readings are documented. So why not take the two pressure gauges and use them on a known source to determine which one is off, and by how much. Or even if they are both off. Then use the documented readings in comparison, and do some basic math to calculate what the actual pressures were at the time.

    Its science, but its not rocket science.

  149. Brady was interviewed for 6 hours u dimwit. Why would he turn over a cell phone to a league that has more leaks coming out of there than the levees during katrina.

    This whole wells report is a joke. Lol seriously if the nfl wants amy credibiliyy, they will hire an neutral investigator,
    Not Ted Wells

  150. Fans of other teams are salivating and hoping that Goodell punishes Brady and the Pats because BB, Brady and the Pats have beat their teams like a drum for years now. These pathetic fans have given up hoping their teams will beat the Pats so they now look to the league to inflict some damage on the Pats. But just keep in mind, whatever the league chooses to do….it will be temporary….and Brady will be back….and your team will still suck.

  151. So much Brady hatred. Can’t beat him on the field, you have to use lawyers. Hey, do you think Brady can afford some good lawyers? I bet he can.

  152. The Brady fans are just going to have to give up. The semi is coming and your hero is just about to become roadkill.

    Here comes a million thumbs down.

  153. The Pats fans probably want Brady’s head to be on Mt. Rushmore, right next to Washington’s. Wait, didn’t Washington say “I cannot tell a lie?. Oh well, so much for that idea.

  154. Ok, the readings are documented. So why not take the two pressure gauges and use them on a known source to determine which one is off, and by how much. Or even if they are both off. Then use the documented readings in comparison, and do some basic math to calculate what the actual pressures were at the time.
    ===
    That’s exactly what was done which is why we know that one gauge was correct and the other was reading high. The problem is that we don’t know which gauge was used pregame, and (say it with me now) if you don’t know what the true pregame conditions were, you don’t know what the halftime conditions would have been.

    Basically: if the well-calibrated gauge was used, there probably was tampering. If the ill-calibrated gauge was used, there probably was not. That said, short of finding a hidden camera with evidence, there’s no way to go back and definitively say which gauge was used.

  155. the 2 gauges Walt Anderson had produced readings as much as 0.45 PSI different on the same ball, effectively using up 45% of the acceptable PSI range of 12.5 to 13.5 PSI.

  156. What many Brady defenders are overlooking is the fact that any punishment will not be so much for the deflation of footballs as for the manner in which Tom Brady has refused to be transparent with the league’s investigation.

    Basically, per the NFL (not the same as a regular employer), refusing to cooperate fully and completely can be deemed conduct detrimental to the league, and that is what will make the punishment harder than it would have been for simply tampering with the footballs.

    Wells never said he had to turn over his phone, but that he could send them only the messages and logs that pertained to the investigators’ questions. Brady would have had full control over what he submitted, but he refused to provide anything. You might point out that any texts between Brady and Jastremski were already captured on Jasrtemski’s phone, but there is then the question of why Brady spent so much phone time in conversation with a man he hadn’t called in months. It might have been nothing, but the investigators cannot say one way or another since Tom thought he was big enough to refuse his total cooperation.

    And for those who say that McNally’s “Deflator” nickname was in reference to the overinflated balls versus the Jets, keep in mind that conversation occurred in May of 2014, in the context of McNally asking for some new shoes and other merchandise.

  157. thedingo8 says:May 11, 2015 3:15 PM

    “more probable than not”…. take that into a real court of law goodell… goodell is an embarrassment . even the nba are disgusted with this new criteria …

    __________________________________

    In a real court of law, that is the actual legal standard in civil litigation. It is laid out in writing in the NFL policy for determining if a violation had taken place.

    It’s called “preponderance of the evidence”, and it means if it is 50.1% likely that something happened, versus 49.9% likely that it didn’t, it is legally considered to be the correct decision, or “more probable than not”.

    You win million dollar civil settlements with that standard.

  158. Go ahead and get a neutral arbitrator. With what I’ve seen so far and what a reasonable person can perceive, Brady and Belicheck may get even stiffer supsensions. Of course it won’t come to that because Kraft will buy off whoever gets chosen to arbitate.

  159. In a real court of law, that is the actual legal standard in civil litigation. It is laid out in writing in the NFL policy for determining if a violation had taken place.
    ===
    Courts allow for defense, complete with cross-examination and the opportunity to propose alternate theories to explain the evidence. That has yet to happen in this case. Judging it soley based on the Wells Report would be like judging a case after hearing only the complaint.

  160. Brady was interviewed for 6 hours u dimwit. Why would he turn over a cell phone to a league that has more leaks coming out of there than the levees during katrina.

    This whole wells report is a joke. Lol seriously if the nfl wants amy credibiliyy, they will hire an neutral investigator,
    Not Ted Wells

    __________________________________

    Probably because he lied for 6 hrs!

  161. The other options for the Pats is to finally stop the serial cheating.

    Just saying.

  162. I am all in on proper punishment when hard proof is positive, but just because Brady did not give them access to his phone and e-mails to assume guilt is BS

  163. wildwest74 says:
    May 11, 2015 3:55 PM

    And for those who say that McNally’s “Deflator” nickname was in reference to the overinflated balls versus the Jets, keep in mind that conversation occurred in May of 2014, in the context of McNally asking for some new shoes and other merchandise.

    ——–

    okay, we’ll go with that. but, the Wells Report says that they interviewed a number a game officials, and they all say they don’t let the balls out of their sight until they are delivered to the ball attendant on the field. that that is standard protocol.

    so, if McNally was already the deflator before the AFC Champ game, when was McNally supposed to have deflated the balls…..while the officials were watching?

  164. Goodell has friends in the US Senate. You do know his father was Senator Charles Goodell? Roger makes approx. 50 million dollars a year. Do you think he is worth that kind of money? Do you think he got that job more likely because his father was a U.S. Senator than not. It’s just an opinion but I think this guy is terrible at what he does, which is make the NFL look real bad. It’s the same old story… people with pull and having a U.S. Senator as a father is about as big as it gets but really Roger Goodell does not measure up to be a great leader and to think he makes more money than Brady and Manning together in one year is deplorable. He is just not worth that kind of money being the knob that he is. If he wants to talk about integrity and cheating he should look no further than his own decisions in the past, many times againt the best interest of the NFL and the game. I can’t prove a thing but the whole Wells report stinks to high heaven.

  165. Gotta love the passion to win of the Pat’s. Here’s a suggestion to the Pat’s and their rabid out of touch with reality fan base. If you don’t cheat you never have to worry whether or not your team has to have its fate in the hands of an investigation.

    It’s a thought.

  166. I didn’t realize PFT had so many attorneys in the comment section. It’s funny that both sides, Pats and non Pat fans, look for one keyword or none word to prove their case. Cause everyone is smartest guy/girl in the room on the internet.

    For example, only fine them $25,000 because it’s in the rules. Except there is a few words before that, that says, “Not limited to….”

  167. paulrevereshorse1775 says: May 11, 2015 3:55 PM

    the 2 gauges Walt Anderson had produced readings as much as 0.45 PSI different on the same ball, effectively using up 45% of the acceptable PSI range of 12.5 to 13.5 PSI.
    ****
    Yes the same as those used at half time. Colts balls passed. All of the pats failed even if you add the discrepancy on top of the findings.

  168. here are all the facts you need to know about the wells report and investigation

    — Colts footballs were tested after Patriots footballs

    The footballs were brought inside the officials locker room at halftime, and 11 Patriots footballs and four Colts footballs were tested. The Patriots footballs were tested, and possibly refilled, before the officials tested the Colts footballs. The officials were in the locker room for 13-and-a-half minutes, and based on data collected in the Wells Report, a cold, damp football can raise 0.7 PSI in 13 minutes. That amount of time would at least partially explain why the Patriots’ footballs deflated more than the Colts’ footballs.

    Only testing four Colts footballs — because of time restraints — is another issue because of small sample size. The Colts footballs were supposed to serve as a “control,” but that idea was destroyed when the footballs weren’t tested simultaneously, and when the NFL decided to test just four footballs from Indianapolis.

    — Text messages were dated months before AFC Championship Game

    The most damning evidence against the Patriots is within the text exchanges between team staffers John Jastremski and Jim McNally, in which the former references a needle and the latter calls himself “the deflator” and jokingly threatens to “go to ESPN.” The issue with these texts is they’re from May and October — months away from the January AFC Championship Game. Those texts would look a lot more damning if they came in the weeks prior to the Patriots’ matchup against the Colts.

    Who’s to say the Patriots were deflating footballs, then stopped before January because they caught wind the league was after them? Obviously McNally’s trip to the bathroom looks suspicious, and the fact that he originally said he didn’t stop in the restroom in his initial interview looks even worse, but it alone probably shouldn’t assume guilt.

    — Texts never state Tom Brady wanted his footballs under 12.5 PSI

    The closest Jastremski or McNally comes to saying Brady is in on any deflation is when Jastremski texts the following:

    Jastremski: Talked to him last night. He actually brought you up and said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done…
    Jastremski: I told him it was. He was right though…
    Jastremski: I checked some of the balls this morn… The refs (expletive) us…a few of then were at almost 16
    Jastremski: They didnt recheck then after they put air in them

    This was after the Patriots’ Week 7 win over the New York Jets, and it actually raises more questions than answers.

    If McNally’s stress was to deflate footballs, then why were they at 16 PSI the next morning? Apparently, McNally wasn’t doing his job very well.

    Why were the footballs at 16 PSI at all? The Patriots must have submitted footballs under 12.5, the officials must have refilled them, and they refilled them way too much without checking the level, proving no one really cared about football inflation or deflation as recently as October.

    McNally also sends these texts to his fiancée that week:

    Jastremski: Ugh…Tom was right.
    Jastremski: I just measured some of the balls. They supposed to be 13 lbs… They were like 16. Felt like bricks

    This is actually the only text in which Brady’s desired PSI is revealed, and it’s not 12.5 or lower. McNally told the officials Brady wanted the footballs inflated to 12.5. A common theme in Jastremski and McNally’s texts is Brady complaining about the PSI level in footballs, but it all seems to be related to the Jets game, when they were overfilled by 3.5 PSI.

  169. Gotta love the passion to win of the Pat’s. Here’s a suggestion to the Pat’s and their rabid out of touch with reality fan base. If you don’t cheat you never have to worry whether or not your team has to have its fate in the hands of an investigation.

    ____

    Speaking of out of touch with reality…

    1: The Patriots first three Superbowl wins happened before the rules changes that lead to Spygate were implemented. And the news story about them recording the Ram’s practice was completely discredited, the story was retracted and a public apology was published. Spygate has zero to do with any Championship won by the Patriots.

    2: The score during the first half of the AFC Championship using under-inflated footballs was 17-7. The score during the second half of the AFC Championship using properly inflated footballs was 28-0. The Patriots scored more points and Brady threw less interceptions with the properly inflated balls. The PSI of the footballs in the first half had zero impact on the game. In fact, it is more probable than not, based on the stats of the game, that the under-inflated footballs were holding Brady back. And even if you went to the extreme of taking away all the points the Patriots scored in the first half as a penalty, the end result is still a blowout victory for the Patriots.

    3: Brady spent an entire day answering questions for four investigators and even showed them the texts on his phone. The only thing he didn’t do was hand his phone over to them. Considering that his phone contains private messages between him and his agent, sponsors, supermodel wife and who knows who else, and that nearly everything else that was supposed to remain private in this investigation has been “mysteriously” leaked, only a complete idiot would hand over their phone under these circumstances.

    Hope you enjoyed your reality check!

  170. Even if you can’t prove the balls were deflated we still have:
    1. Patriot employee taking balls without authorization
    2. Brady lying about knowing said employee 3. Patriots not cooperating with investigation despite their claims that they would.
    Even patriot fans should admit to this and accept whatever punishment was levied.

  171. Yes the same as those used at half time. Colts balls passed. All of the pats failed even if you add the discrepancy on top of the findings.
    ===
    Define “pass” and “fail”.

  172. i think we can all say that the patriots organization and their fan base are tainted delusional liars who only care about propping up a fraud. smh, stop blaming everyone else. You are a bunch of lying cheats and your excuses are pathetic

  173. fanofpft says:
    May 11, 2015 4:59 PM

    Yes the same as those used at half time. Colts balls passed. All of the pats failed even if you add the discrepancy on top of the findings.

    ———

    Not if the Pats balls were tested pregame using the logo gauge, which is exactly what Walt Anderson said he remembered using.

    But since it works out that the Colts’ balls numbers works with the non-logo gauge, then Wells assumes Walt must have used the non-logo gauge on the Pats balls too. So basically the evidence has been reverse-engineered.

  174. You don’t need a stinkin’ arbitrator in this case.

    A clear written rule exists; the commissioner should administer punishment to someone who broke the rule.

  175. McNally told the officials Brady wanted the footballs inflated to 12.5. A common theme in Jastremski and McNally’s texts is Brady complaining about the PSI level in footballs, but it all seems to be related to the Jets game, when they were overfilled by 3.5 PSI.
    ——–
    Notice how the Pat fan cherry picks McNally’s comments that he feels proves Brady’s innocence. So, now it’s McNally said it so it must be TRUE?

    And we’re to ignore the multitude of lies that investigators caught McNally in? Is that like, look away, bury your head in the sand because you don’t want to see McNally’s lies for what they are, or you’re simply a Pat’s fan and therefore you don’t want you team convicted in the court of public opinion. Sorry, the jury already out with that conviction.

    Guilty.

  176. I’m really happy the Hawks didn’t cheat repeatedly to get to the SB.

    This appears stressful to Pats fans.

  177. fanofpft says:
    May 11, 2015 4:59 PM
    paulrevereshorse1775 says: May 11, 2015 3:55 PM
    the 2 gauges Walt Anderson had produced readings as much as 0.45 PSI different on the same ball, effectively using up 45% of the acceptable PSI range of 12.5 to 13.5 PSI.
    ****
    Yes the same as those used at half time. Colts balls passed. All of the pats failed even if you add the discrepancy on top of the findings.
    —————————–
    You are mistaken fanofpft, the higher gauge had 3 pats balls (out of 12) under expected, the lower gauge had 8 under. The only 4 colts balls tested were ok on the higher gauge but 3 of 4 were under expected range with the lower gauge. Given that only a third of the colts balls were tested, statistically they weren’t any better inflated than the pats balls.

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