Patriots: We were “prejudged” by league before Wells investigation

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In their lengthy response to the Wells Report, the Patriots argue that the league prejudged the issues related to a loss of air pressure in footballs during the AFC Championship game.

The basis for that argument is the letter sent to the team by NFL senior vice president David Gardi on the day after the game was played. In the letter, Gardi writes that the league made “preliminary findings” that the balls used by the team did not meet the standard set forth in the rules. The team says that they made those findings “with no basis and no understanding of the effect of temperature on psi” and, therefore, “had already prejudged the issues” before hiring Ted Wells to investigate the issue.

The Patriots point out that Gardi’s letter was inaccurate regarding one ball used by the Patriots measuring at 10.1 psi and that all of the Colts balls conformed to the standard, which leads them to wonder why the team was “dealing with this investigation for months based on inaccurate information.”

“The investigators were not troubled by any of these obvious errors or by the League’s failure to correct them. The inaccuracies in this letter, combined with subsequent leaks to the media that were never corrected by the League placed this investigation on a footing of misinformation, to the Patriots substantial disadvantage.”

A rebuttal of the Wells Report’s scientific evidence by Nobel Prize winner Roderick McKinnon is also included in the report and the Patriots are clear that they believe the league worked backwards after jumping to a conclusion about what happened in January.

173 responses to “Patriots: We were “prejudged” by league before Wells investigation

  1. The NFL was informed of the claim before the AFCCG. 11 of 12 of the balls were deflated at half time. That’s not prejudging, that’s getting busted.

  2. Clearly, NFL gave in to the public outcry and Media coverage,if Matt Ryan deflates balls and Patriots pumped noise in we would of had the same penalties

  3. Truth. Nothing but truth. Haters (idiots) will continue to dismiss it though.

  4. Did the Patriots, Kraft, Belichek and Brady pre-judge the working stiff equipment guys before they fired them?

    What was the cause for dismissal?

  5. Waaaaaa. Get some cheese for that whine. If you didn’t have a history of cheating you wouldn’t have forfeited the benefit of the doubt.

  6. At this point, the Pats are simply embarrassing themselves.

    Take your lumps and move on already.

    Or as, Bill once said: “we’re on to Cincinnati”.

  7. Didn’t they (Patriots) “prejudge” Aaron Hernandez by terminating his contract before he was convicted??

  8. At this point it is clear that the Patriots are just trying to fling as my pooh as possible to set up reasonable doubt for the appeal hearing.

    The only problem is that in doing so, they are looking sad and pathetic with their fabricated excuses.

    This is the same team that said they did nothing wrong in Spygate even though there was video evidence.

  9. “Because we were found guilty in 2007, had to give up a first round pick, and fined 250k for cheating.”

    But we’re totally innocent this time guys!

    Seriously we just fired those two guys because they were fat, you gotta believe us!

  10. They were, but they have a history. Each incident needs to be reviewed independently however. Not saying this wasn’t but there is missing information which is sad for a report that costs millions of dollars. Who paid for that? The league? At what point do they need a certain outcome to justify the means?

  11. I’m sorry I have just lost any respect I had for Bob Kraft.

    The fish rots from the head down maybe it’s time to force him to sell the team, and just move on.

  12. Chris Mortenson and ESPN should be sued over this witch hunt and farce and ex Jets GOODELL and Kensil have to be fired- never mind Wells who should be investigated and disbarred.

  13. Pretty clear to any fair-minded person which one is the winning brief. The winning one had three days to prepare and the loser had three and a half months.

  14. We know now that the “preliminary findings” were wrong, and even the Wells report concedes that. The NFL decided to leave those findings out there, until the Wells report was issued. What does that tell you about the NFL’s interest in obtaining accurate information?

  15. “Clearly, NFL gave in to the public outcry and Media coverage,if Matt Ryan deflates balls and Patriots pumped noise in we would of had the same penalties”
    ————
    Matt Ryan has NOTHING to do with the crowd noise being pumped in. That’s the difference.

  16. Well it’s turning into a circus. Which is all I ever wanted to come from this whole thing. Just sit back and watch the s.s Patriot sink while drinking a cold beer and put your feet up.

  17. I just finished reading the rebuttal.

    Some parts are a little less persuasive than others, but overall, it is a devastating critique of a rush to judgment. Every single thing that Wells did is demolished. I particularly liked these two facts-
    1. That Wells agreed to have one interview of McNally (only a game day employee). Then demanded another despite his own prior agreement. Then came down on the Patriots due to Wells’ incompetence. Nice work if you can get it.
    2. The NFL refused to let the Patriots’ counsel be present for any interviews of league personnel, and wouldn’t share the actual game-day PSI measurements of the footballs until over 2 months into the investigation, and only on condition that the Pats not divulge the information to the press. The NFL… telling other people not to leak? That’s rich. But it just goes to show that the NFL had prejudged the issue, was circling the wagons, and was paying Wells handsomely for the CYA.

  18. Butt hurt Pats fans are on here again trolling about how great their team is and how innocent their golden boy Brady is.

    It’s time to get out of your parent’s basement and accept the fact your team cheated. I didn’t make this up. Your team got caught not once, but twice.

    Get over it!

  19. Now we know why Wells came out and protested so loudly the other day. He is not confident in his report whatsoever.

    #HeDothProtestTooMuch

  20. This is starting to feel like BountyGate. I was interested at first, but now I just wish we could drop the whole thing like it never happened and move on.

  21. Patriots: We were “prejudged” by league before Wells investigation

    #WAH!

    And 8 years ago they were post-judged in a very light manner for behavior that tainted their three Super Bowl wins with all of the evidence summarily destroyed.

    I’m thinkin’ net gain here.

  22. The NFL was informed of the claim before the AFCCG. 11 of 12 of the balls were deflated at half time. That’s not prejudging, that’s getting busted.
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    The data disagrees.

  23. Read the “Patriots Cooperation Memo” dated April 24th. Shows how poorly the NFL handled this. Where was the investigation of the NFL employees in the Wells report?

  24. Did the Patriots, Kraft, Belichek and Brady pre-judge the working stiff equipment guys before they fired them?

    What was the cause for dismissal?

    they were suspended by the league.

  25. The Patriots rebuttal is an epic takedown that aligns with several of Mike’s recent articles. I’m reminded of one of my favorite quotes:

    “If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by.” -Sun Tzu

  26. This is what the Patriots should be focused on – not the lame excuses for the deflator (who they suspended anyway).

    But here’s the problem – the flawed Wells report gives people a strong indication that he Patriots cheated. And even if they did work backwards – it’s because many people (and team owners) believe they did.

    The Wells report doesn’t “prove” the Patriot cheated. But it certainly gives many people the impression they did.

    That – plus the lack of full cooperation – has results in huge punishments.

    And the Patriots are doing nothing to reverse the impression that they cheated. If anything, they are contributing to that impression.

  27. this isn’t about air pressure anymore. it’s about brady lying, not co-operating ( cell phone) and kraft not co-operating. if at first blush they had ponied up this would be a non issue. same cover-up mentality from bb.

  28. That’s what happens when you have a reputation for cheating.

    It will be a generation before the Pats are seen as anything but cheaters by everyone who isn’t a fan of theirs.

  29. The Patriots are hoping to provide “context” in the wake of the Wells Report. But they are really just trying to blame everyone else for their current predicament.

    The Deflator sent text message about the hardness/watermelonness of the footballs and then they are trying to say he is “the deflator” because he’s fat? They are just insulting your intelligence with that garbage.

    It’s easy to think the league pre-judged the Patriots. I actually think that’s fairly accurate. But I also think the Patriots committed wrong-doings. So, if the shoe fits…

  30. Well OK then!!

    We shall call you the Patsies from now on. A very fitting name!!

  31. So in the rebuttal….

    The Colts footballs were left in a trashbag. Pats footballs were not in a trashbag, they were left out in the rain.

    WOW.

    So much for that whole “but what about the Colts footballs????” argument on the natural deflation. The Pats just lit the fuse on that one and it went KAA-BOOOM!!!!!!!

  32. It’s the NFL and Wells that should be embarrassed. They had a preconceived notion and paid big bucks to their lackey for a report to support that notion. Then they caved in to the people with the pitchforks and torches and handed out a completely out of proportion penalty. Now they are goingt to have to defend what they have done. The only good that can come form this is if that snivelling coward Goodell is gone.

  33. 12444uggg says:
    May 14, 2015 1:10 PM

    The NFL was informed of the claim before the AFCCG. 11 of 12 of the balls were deflated at half time. That’s not prejudging, that’s getting busted.

    actually there is noway to know how much any of the balls deflated because we don’t have any accurate pregame psi readings . the only thing you can says is patriots and colt ball pressures at half time are consistant with a reduction in pressure considering gametime weather conditions . halftime pressure prove nothing .

  34. It was known throughout the league that the Patriots were likely using deflated balls, and for a good while too. They’ve likely been doing it for years and it finally caught up to them.

    I would love to see the Mythbusters take a look at what effect deflated footballs have on a game. I’m willing to bet a large sum that at the very least it makes fumbling a lot harder.

  35. It’s amazing how an accused ‘cheater’ like Steve Jobs is lionized as an American legend, while someone as equally successful and ruthless is hung out to dry.

  36. You fail to note that he was born and attended college 15 miles away from Boston. Its fairly reasonable to assume he was born and raised a Patriots fan. That in itself creates a conflict of interest.

  37. THE PATRIOTS ARE SCUM FROM TOP TO BOTTOM!
    WHAT HAPPENED TO EXCEPTING THE PUNISHMENT HANDED DOWN FROM THE LEAUGE? YOU EVEN LIED ABOUT THAT!!!!!!!

  38. We were told that other teams’ fans were whiners and jealous of the Patriots. But it looks like the biggest whiners all hail from Foxboro.

    The Patriots cheated and got caught. Now, a reasonable person would accept the rather lenient penalty and move on. But, not only are the Patriots not going to do that, they are still going to deny, deny, deny and insult the intelligence of the majority of the public.

  39. Perry Mason couldn’t save the NFL now. You go Bob ‘SNEAKERS’ Kraft. Another big win for the PATS coming!!!!!!!!!! FREE TOM BRADY!!!

  40. This is what defense lawyers do, scream from the mountain top about their client’s innocence when the whole world knows they’re guilty.

  41. IF THOSE ASSISTANTS DON’T RAT BRADY OUT, AND WRITE A BOOK ABOUT IT, THEIR COMPLETE IDIOTS!

  42. Get ready for a fire Fuhrer Goodell, your days are numbered because Bobby Kraft is going to have you flipping burgers at Patriot Place by the time we unravel our 4th Super Bowl banner in September.

  43. As an expert witness myself that has been engaged by counsel in similar matters, I found one fact that any experienced arbitrator will find telling. The Wells’ report had their expert revise his report at the date the Wells report was issued. That means the analysis was cooked, or, at least changed to fit Wells’ conclusions. Patriots counsel does well to wonder what was changed and how many times. It is tough when you have to twist the facts as badly as Wells did.

  44. What do they expect?
    It’s not like the haven’t been caught cheating before.

    Wait until they see the scrutiny they’ll be receiving for every move they make from now on.

  45. Scientific findings don’t explain the difference in the Patriot and Colts football pressures on the game day. While one can use the ideal gas law to try and explain away the Patriot pressure differences, it only works if you ignore the pressures of the Colt’s footballs, which where supposedly filled to the same pressure levels before the game. Speaking as an engineer, any augment that ignore this is nonsense.

    In addition, clearly, only one gauge was used to measure both team’s footballs. If you work backward’s from that premise it only makes sense that it was the gauge that the report suggests. Otherwise, you can’t explain how you get the measurements that you get from the Colt’s footballs. Once again, science is hard. This is what happens when you let lawyers run sports web sites.

  46. YOU CHEATED! To make it worse you have done this before! In addition, if it added NOTHING as so many delusional Hatriot fans have been saying, then WHY go through the effort or not only doing it,but covering it up? Didn’t you say you would accept the decision from the league?

  47. They can make all the procedural and legal arguments they want. In the end, does anyone really believe the Pats and Brady are completely innocent? The NFL may have indeed run a flawed investigation. They may have unclear standards and were asleep at the switch on checking the balls, But everyone knows that the balls were tampered with, that Brady at least knew, and that he refused to turn over his phone. I mean, come on, a frigging website was setup? What a joke.

  48. I had always respected Kraft as a great NFL owner and a person of good character. I now believe I need to re-think this. My guess, as he continues to fight this with the excuses he has used thus far, the less respect he will have from the other owners, that are his business partners.

  49. I can’t wait until Brady’s suspension is lifted and the Patriots win Super Bowl L.

    I could care less about what the haters thing of his legacy.

    He will be in the Hall of Fame. He has 4 rings that no one can take away and onto a 5th.

    Keep drinking the haterade while your Colts, Jets, Ravens, Steelers keep losing to the Pats. I respect the Ravens, but they need to learn the rule book.

    Giants fans can talk all they want.

    Oh by the way Jerry Rice admitted to stickum use. cheater. The 49ers cheated against the cap and were fined 600k, cheaters. The Browns texted plays last year, cheaters, The Falcons pumped in crowd noise cheaters, and so did the Colts when that windbag Bill Polian was there. Cheater

    So stop with the mock horror and piousness.

  50. One thing you understand in this situation is that there are very few truly objective minds. I like many people have always thought the Wells report was tailored to fit a pre determined opinion of guilt.

    Perhaps that explains why the report has taken so long so The league and Wells could get their ducks in a row. I find it interesting the league refused to allow the Patriots attorneys to be present when the league officials were being interviewed that smacks of hiding things.

    The bottom line in this needs to go to a court of land where both sides can present evidence and a fair trial or at least fairer trial can be played out.

    Just for the hell of it I am surprised no media outlet has yet speculated that what if, IF the report was deliberately misleading… hmmm….

  51. Anyone else notice the complete paradigm shift of the Pats fans since the release of the Wells Report?
    Before it was “He didn’t do it.”
    Now all you hear is “Everybody does it.”

    Pats fans, always swinging both ways.

  52. You’re making it worse and you don’t even know it. Embarrassing.

    In the words of Sammy Sosa “keep a continue”

  53. Patriots: We were “prejudged” by league before Wells investigation
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    Welcome to the club!

    Saints fans

  54. Scrub…scrub…scrub…dang, I…just…can’t…seem…to…get…this…tarnish…OFF! Just move on already. You have been caught cheating multiple times. No one will ever look at your team and its “championships” the same ever again, no matter how this all turns out. It’s over. Enjoy your trophies and your Tom is the GOAT stories amongst yourselves around the campfire.

  55. In the end, none of this will matter to the pats organisation. Best coach of all time, Brady is just a piece of the puzzle. They will succeed with Jimmy G and Brady can be seen again for what he is. Put him on any other team and he’s not even a hall of famer.
    And this is coming from a Pittsburgh fan.

  56. SHUT UP BIG BABY!!! Every one knows that Goodell & Kraft are good buddies it’ll all be fixed for the by GOD patsies, the darlings of the NFL!!!

  57. Its going to take a while to go through all of them but the Patriots statements are more believable in some areas than others.

    Some are, as PFT has said, hard to believe. Others really do damage to Wells’ report. Particularly on the issue of which gauge was used in the pre-game check. It seems they used the gauge the Anderson recalled NOT using because it was closer to what a calibrated gauge would have given.

    This kind of ignores the point that we are looking at how much they had deflated not the accuracy of gauges used.

  58. Is anyone else troubled by the vast amount of disinformation that was posted on the league’s website? The sole purpose of the Wells campaign seemed to be trying to reconcile events with the Mortenson based lies previously posted on NFL. Com
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  59. The Pats were caught cheating years before this. If they were prejudged, it was because of their own actions. Man up, apologize, and move on.

  60. Bob Kraft – “We understand and greatly respect the responsibility of being one of 32 in this league and, on that basis, we will accept the findings of the report and take the appropriate actions based on those findings as well as any discipline levied by the league.”

    Kraft is obviously lying in the above statement and yet we are supposed to believe whatever the Pats throw against the wall?

  61. 1 Espionage Place Foxboro is ablaze with retorts
    When a man with a 45 meets a man with a rife, they say the man with the pistol’s a dead man…..lets see if that’s true……GO AHEAD KRAFT….SUE

  62. I hope Brady digs into this further. We’d all love to know what his equipment manager was going to ‘Go to the NFL’ about… Though I’m sure he’ll just say he was going to get some pointers on weight loss.

  63. ObjectiveNFLFan says: May 14, 2015 1:15 PM

    “Clearly, NFL gave in to the public outcry and Media coverage,if Matt Ryan deflates balls and Patriots pumped noise in we would of had the same penalties”
    ————
    Matt Ryan has NOTHING to do with the crowd noise being pumped in. That’s the difference.

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    …..I think the poster meant if a QB for another team does the same thing he doesn’t get punished as harshly as Brady. If the Pats do something which another team loses a 4th-5th round pick for, the Pats still lose a 1st rounder and 4th rounder because they’re the Patriots.

  64. Can someone please get a giant hankey for the entire organization? I’m so tired of the whining and crying. You cheated, you got caught. Go through the appeals process and take the punishment like World Class Organization you like to proclaim from the mountaintop that you are.

  65. It still amazes me that people are condemning the Patriots for deflating footballs when NO WHERE in the report is there evidence of this. Nor is there any evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, that Brady asked anyone to take footballs to below 12.5psi. Its obvious, to me anyways, people are on the “hate the Patriots” train simply because its popular to bring down icons. Spygate is done and overwith YEARS ago and this charge of deflating footballs is clearly and scientifically debunked, the witchhunt is evident to anyone with clear vision, Wells integrity is now worthless as an independent investigator; those are the truths I see.

    I am a 40 year Falcons fan so don’t lump me into the group of people standing up for the Pats just because they are Patriot fans.

  66. Patriots were not prejudged. They were post-judged, or they would not have been playing in the Superbowl.

    When you’ve cheated in previous seasons (got caught) cheated earlier in this season (got caught) and are stupid enough to use your own phone Brady to text (got caught)….chances are you’re going to be judged as a cheater.

    Fess up…you got caught. You can’t seem to win without cheating. You can’t seem to avoid interceptions without deflating….

    and you REALLY can’t come up with any good excuses when you get caught cheating!

    What a joke of a team….LOL

  67. I guess this crazy old man and his fans don’t realize they are just making it worse. Who are you trying to convince? Yourselves? Everyone knows you cheated often, but only got caught once…..er……twice. both times you lied. Both times you covered it up. Let it go, man up and take your well deserved lumps. No one with a brain believes you.

  68. theanalyticalkid says:
    May 14, 2015 1:16 PM
    Patriots: We were “prejudged” by league before Wells investigation

    #WAH!

    And 8 years ago they were post-judged in a very light manner for behavior that tainted their three Super Bowl wins with all of the evidence summarily destroyed.

    I’m thinkin’ net gain here.

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    Please explain how violating a 2007 rule had any impact on games played in 2001, 2003 & 2004? This should be good…..

  69. Why did the deflatriots suspend the two equipment guys indefinately if they did nothing wrong and were only referring to themselves as “fat”?

    The cheaters in NE are a complete and total embarrassment.

    **** they are real, deal with it cheaters.

  70. Oh Please Patsies, accept the punishment like men, nobody excepts your fans believe in you!

  71. Scientific findings don’t explain the difference in the Patriot and Colts football pressures on the game day. While one can use the ideal gas law to try and explain away the Patriot pressure differences, it only works if you ignore the pressures of the Colt’s footballs, which where supposedly filled to the same pressure levels before the game. Speaking as an engineer, any augment that ignore this is nonsense.
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    *Sigh*

    No. The Colts footballs were NOT filled to the same pressure as the Patriots footballs. They were initially about .5 PSI higher (assuming the same gauge was used) during pregame.

    If you can’t get basic facts like that right, you have no business voicing an opinion whether your a baker, candlestick maker, lawyer, or engineer. Especially if you’re an engineer, because (repeat after me) initial conditions affect final results.

  72. Have lost all respect for the Patriots for how they’ve handled themselves after the Ted Wells report has been released. They got caught. Simple as that. OWN IT!

  73. Patriots are making it impossible for Brady to apologize. All this sound and fury signifies nothing.

  74. Is this their second line of defense. lol. The more the organziation talks the guiltier they are. Just admit Tom Cheating Brasterisk. You have nothing to say because you deflated balls and the colts busted you.

  75. Sorry this does not make sense. Why would any investigation limit itself to just a single interview, that happened before they reviewed other sources for gather information that includes text messages? Highly doubt this, plus why would the Patriots object to multiple interviews, of a part-time employee, who’s responsibility was the game balls, if they truly wanted to get to the truth?

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    I just finished reading the rebuttal.

    Some parts are a little less persuasive than others, but overall, it is a devastating critique of a rush to judgment. Every single thing that Wells did is demolished. I particularly liked these two facts-
    1. That Wells agreed to have one interview of McNally (only a game day employee). Then demanded another despite his own prior agreement. Then came down on the Patriots due to Wells’ incompetence. Nice work if you can get it.
    2. The NFL refused to let the Patriots’ counsel be present for any interviews of league personnel, and wouldn’t share the actual game-day PSI measurements of the footballs until over 2 months into the investigation, and only on condition that the Pats not divulge the information to the press. The NFL… telling other people not to leak? That’s rich. But it just goes to show that the NFL had prejudged the issue, was circling the wagons, and was paying Wells handsomely for the CYA.

  76. There is something that needs to get cleared up – and the Patriots need to be the ones to do it.

    The two equipment guys were suspended by the Patriots. That’s a fact. They cannot be reinstated except by league approval. That’s also a fact.

    I – and many others – are asking if the Deflator simply gave himself a nickname – then why did the Patriots suspend him?

    Maybe they were instructed to by the league because they had no right under the CBA to do it?

    If so, why did the Patriots agree to suspend them? Why not srat to fight back right there? “They did nothing wrong! We DIDN’T cheat – we are not going to punish innocent people!”

    But they are in fact suspended – by the Patriots, not the league.

    WHY?

  77. that whole report is “they are guilty” now prove it , that why he goes back to october for texts and manufactures science to prove his case . all they really had that no one can deny is taking the balls to the bathroom on the way to the field , definitely deserves a small fine .

  78. Absolutely stunning. The rebuttal website crushes the report. I can understand the many patriot haters that want to relish in this. And if we are being honest, us pats fan, would probably do the same.

    However, now I realize how petty the nfl owners and league officials truly are. I feel bad that I didn’t stand up for all the other absurd suspensions. All of this is a game orchestrated by Godell to position his strength with the owners to protect his 44M salary.

    Godell is destroying the credibility of teams and players to secure his job and maybe that’s what I would do as well. I wish the fans would think hard about this and create pressure to find a new commissioner – one that doesn’t get involved in the petty spats between teams and damage individuals to help his standing.

    All I can do is cancel my NFL ticket this year and stop buying jerseys for my kids. Sad day for the NFL and its fans.

  79. I don’t have a problem with an appeal. What I’d like to see is that if the possibility that the punishments could be reduced if the Pats are victorious, I’d demand the same be a possibility should they lose. I’d say the penalties should be doubled.

  80. This kind of ignores the point that we are looking at how much they had deflated not the accuracy of gauges used.
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    The accuracy of the gauges matters because of which gauge was used during pregame checks and at half-time. Consider the following:
    1) Ball is inflated to 12.0 PSI at 70F.
    2) Ball is tested with a gauge that is reading .5 higher than accurate. Result: 12.5 PSIG.
    3) Ball is cooled to 48 F losing 1.2 PSI.
    4a) Ball is measured with accurate gauge. Result 10.8 PSIG.
    4b) Ball is measured with the same gauge from step (2). Result 11.4 PSIG.

    Apparent pressure loss (4a): 1.7 PSI.
    Actual pressure loss (4b): 1.2 PSI.

    See why that matters?

  81. “Evidence was also provided that the Indianapolis ball boys, in a prior season, had been seen by Jacksonville personnel with ball needles hidden under their long sleeves”

    Hmmm……

  82. I love how the haters are concluding that science can’t explain the air pressure in the tests of Patriots balls but the Nobel laureate can.

  83. I need a nap so I’m going to read the Pathetics long response.
    That’s all its good for. Taking naps. And if it’s printed out then TP.

  84. the iceberg is melting. Pats legal counsil, Kraft, Brady, Yee……keep peeing on it, it’s melting fast.
    Let’s see what or who comes out of the wood work to sing like a ‘Bird’

    So if you suspended McNally last week, you suspended him because he’s fat? Sounds like he can sue Kraft for defamation of character and discrimination

  85. Ok
    Lets get this straight
    I don’t think anybody hates the Patriots because they win superbowls
    They hate them because of their arrogance.
    They consistently act like they are “above” every other team and the league.
    News flash, your far from it.
    Everyone liked Brady because of the feel good story of being drafted so late then proveing everyone wrong.
    That feeling is gone.
    Thanks for ruining that!
    Never wish an injury on anyone but karma can be sweet!!

  86. clelek05 says:
    May 14, 2015 1:48 PM
    Proud day to be a Patriot fan. Great job. Don’t give into this NFL hired hack job. Fight, fight, fight.
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    Even prouder to be a Packers fan because they never once cheated to win and Tommy Boy is not worthy enough to even think about holding Bart Starrs jock strap.

  87. And if it’s printed out then TP.
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    You shouldn’t refer to your “stock” certificates like that.

  88. At this point, I feel the Patriots are doing everything in their power to ruin the credibility of the entire league. Their continued pointing of fingers toward others and denial of investigation findings is contractictory in nature and a wasted of time.

    If they keep this up, I would urge the commissioner to shut down their complete organization for an entire season (2015) and not reinstate them until they accept their responsibility and apologize to all NFL fans and other orgnizations for (not just cheating) but not accepting the responsibility of cooperating with the investigation.

  89. Science was accurate, the football pressure drop ratio was too high on the pats balls to be done by NGL alone, therefore we have a ball guy stealing the balls and taking them into a locked bathroom,
    He probably had lots of stress that day!!!!

  90. artvan15 says: May 14, 2015 1:20 PM

    Patriots need to the sue the league.
    ****
    Yes and not be allowed to participate until the case is done. A proxy 1 year suspension. What should have been handed down in the first place.

  91. With the 32nd pick in the 2016 nfl draft the New England Patriots select ___________. The only question is how bad a can of whoop ass they open up on the league and who will be announcing the picks for the NFL. FREE TOM BRADY!!!!!!

  92. bucs13 said

    I just finished reading the rebuttal.

    Some parts are a little less persuasive than others, but overall, it is a devastating critique of a rush to judgment. Every single thing that Wells did is demolished. I particularly liked these two facts-
    1. That Wells agreed to have one interview of McNally (only a game day employee). Then demanded another despite his own prior agreement. Then came down on the Patriots due to Wells’ incompetence. Nice work if you can get it.
    2. The NFL refused to let the Patriots’ counsel be present for any interviews of league personnel, and wouldn’t share the actual game-day PSI measurements of the footballs until over 2 months into the investigation, and only on condition that the Pats not divulge the information to the press. The NFL… telling other people not to leak? That’s rich. But it just goes to show that the NFL had prejudged the issue, was circling the wagons, and was paying Wells handsomely for the CYA.
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    These sound like tactics a criminal defense lawyer hides behind when he knows his client is guilty (and I’ve done criminal defense work for any of you wise guys out there who will start citing constitutional rights that don’t apply at all in this context).
    1). If McNally didn’t do anything wrong, why shouldn’t he answer any follow up questions? If the Pats knew he had nothing to do with it, why not let the investigators ask him any questions they like to help clarify? Were they afraid McNally couldn’t come up with the “Deflator = he’s fat” routine on his own? Nope – better to hide behind the “but you said you only needed to talk to him once” claim.
    2). Why should the Pats have a lawyer in when the league is questioning its own employees? The cops and D.A.’s don’t have opposing legal follow them around when they talk to witnesses. Have to do your some leg work if you want statements of your own. And its always better to have no evidence come out publicly because it can often taint things when the press gets partial information and runs off in some crazy direction with it. How is asking for confidentiality pending investigation proof of bias? Its the exact opposite.

    Seriously, the whole “they hate us ’cause they ain’t us thing” is a laugh. Did the league turn against the Forty-Niners during their run of 5 Super Bowl wins in 13 years? Nope – blaming the accuser is the last, desperate ploy of people who get caught with their pants down.

  93. I am tired of the victim complex out of Boston. Used to be my favorite city; kinda losing it now. Guys, your team cheated, cheats often, and their entire legacy is tainted. That’s a fact. The only place it isn’t is in Boston.

    Ask yourself one question if you can let logic work for once. Why in the world would the NFL want to shame one of its biggest stars? Doesn’t do a thing for the NFLs image. He is guilty, and the team is guilty of being spineless, whiny little pukes.

    Take your medicine. You got caught. And stop saying Tom is going to wreck this league. Barely squeaked through last year (as always – please note you’ve never won by more than 3-4 points) and there is that taint of having cheated all year long. I like honor before I like wins. You have none.

  94. I am very puzzled by this entire situation. I understand no organization or individual wants to be penalized, but does Mr. Kraft, who I have respected to this point, not understand that by attempting so mightily to undermine the discipline process of the NFL office, whose commissioner he has consistently supported in the past relating to disciplinary situations – including, I believe Mr. Wells’ investigative fndings relating relating to the Dolphins – he is setting up the league for failure in every subsequent disciplinary situation in the future? Does he seriously think either the football-supporting public or his fellow owners want to see that occur? The only winners in this situation are rule-breaking members of the NFLPA!

  95. To the 49ers fans…..Jerry Rice admitted to cheating with stickem since his rookie season. Using your logic, all of the 49ers SB’s as well as Montana’s. Rice’s and Young’s legacies are tainted. You cannot have it both ways people.

  96. waaaaah, waaahhhhh, sniff, sniff. boo hoo, waaaah, (feet stomping), waaaaaaaah, waaaaaah, waaaaaaaaah, but the Colts and everybody is doing it mommy and Wells is picking on me, moooooommy, waaaaaaaaah, waaaaaaaah. If you don’t punish Wells, I am going to hold my breath till I turn NY Giant Blue….. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh

  97. This is at the heart of the matter and why Kraft is so furious.
    Gardi emailed Kraft paper me thing that is not true, and basically assigned guilt at the moment right after the game.
    Gardi knew his statement was not true, hut did nothing to correct if, possibly taking glee in the fact that every media was running with a story that wasn’t truthfully being told.

  98. freddypatsfan says:
    May 14, 2015 1:10 PM
    Clearly, NFL gave in to the public outcry and Media coverage,if Matt Ryan deflates balls and Patriots pumped noise in we would of had the same penalties
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    We have a winner!!!! This is 100% correct because the Pats STILL would have lied to the NFL about pumping in crowd noise saying it was a malfunction with the PA system and then fired the audio crew. Ryan still would have gotten suspended but the suspension may have been lesser if he were to cooperate.

  99. This is an image thing now that it’s been regular news program fodder for a few days. Those who don’t follow closely football have heard about it. Just because they don’t follow closely doesn’t mean they don’t tune in. As tragic as the train derailment is, it does give the heads something else to talk about, but the damage has been done.

    No change and the Patriots got off light. Accept it.

  100. Wow the patriots are starting to sound like a bunch of cry babies. Just accept your punishment and move on. They are just making it worse and worse.

  101. Why did the pats plead with Wells to discount all info from the security firm? They were helpful to get back some texts that were deleted.

  102. So you all think it’s OK for high level league employees to say things that are clearly not truthful, and that Kraft should just shut up and take it?

  103. Just admit your guilt and perhaps all this mess would be less severe!!

    Kraft signed his league by law not to sue NFL or his owners….The Al Davis by law. If he sues he nullfies his charter.

    He should be thrown out of the NFL and his sham of a franchise. He can open his own league of cheaters

  104. Robert Kraft is starting to remind me of Donald Sterling, the Los Angeles Clippers owner who was ousted. The NFL would be better off without him.

  105. More accurately, Belicheat, like character Hector Barbosa from ‘Pirates of the Caribbean’, treats the NFL rule book like Barbosa views the ‘Pirate Code’…”the code is more what you’d call “guidelines” than actual rules”.

  106. If every shady act that has occurred in the NFL over all the years was brought to light,there would be a ton of tainted legacies,and for much worse than letting a little air out of the football. It’s funny how a lot of the NFL players and former players trashing the Patriots have quite a few skeletons in their own closets. This whole thing is just so stupid when you compare it to what others have done.

  107. Regardless of which side of the fence you come down on, until one issue is addressed and solved, then the Patriots will never come out from under the cloud of suspicion.

    IF the science was flawed, and/or atmospheric conditions are to be blamed for the Patriot footballs being deflated, then you MUST explain how, under the same circumstances, that all the Colts balls did not suffer the same fate.

    Until you can answer that to a scientific degree, then it doesn’t really matter what the Patriots say.

  108. So you all think it’s OK for high level league employees to say things that are clearly not truthful, and that Kraft should just shut up and take it?

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    How are they not truthful? Spell it out. Because I don’t see anything that says it’s untruthful. This is like a civil case and in a civil case, its the preponderance of the evidence to assess blame. Merely circumstantial is all that is required.

    That’s what they found and it’s all that is required to levy punishment.

    Where was this outrage when it was done to the Saints. Their punishment was FAR WORSE than what is happening to the Patriots. And they didn’t whine as much either.

    What’s happening here is we all found out that Brady is human. Not a God and not a golden boy, but someone who makes mistakes just like the rest of us. And the team and the fans can’t take it.

    Move on, Patriots are actually making this worse and into a circus.

  109. Patriots are guilty of being the most dominant nfl dynasty ever.
    All these wannabes trying to knock em down cuz they know they cant beat them on the field.

  110. kimbo, the Colts footballs DID fall in PSI every bit as expected. They started at
    .5 PSI higher. They fell in PSI, but Wells buried the fact that 3 out of the 4 balls they tested fell below acceptable level on the gauge that the ref said he used to set the PSI pregame. Read last the headlines. It’s all there, andbthe Pats aren’t going to let them get away with it.

  111. Tom Brady will start Week 1. With this perfectly logical rebuttal, Kessler will annihilate the NFL in front of a truly neutral arbitrator.

    Sorry haters. You’ll be seeing the Greatest Quarterback of All-Time sooner than you thought.

  112. kimbo71006 says:
    May 14, 2015 3:18 PM

    Regardless of which side of the fence you come down on, until one issue is addressed and solved, then the Patriots will never come out from under the cloud of suspicion.

    IF the science was flawed, and/or atmospheric conditions are to be blamed for the Patriot footballs being deflated, then you MUST explain how, under the same circumstances, that all the Colts balls did not suffer the same fate.

    Until you can answer that to a scientific degree, then it doesn’t really matter what the Patriots say.

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    read the nobel prize winners report they just did , patriot hater don’t want to hear it but a judge will !

  113. ” the Patriots are clear that they believe the league worked backwards after jumping to a conclusion about what happened in January.”

    Yeah and so did the media and fans.

    That’s why America is no longer #1. We’ve abandoned reality for sound bites and furor.

  114. kimbo71006 says:
    May 14, 2015 3:18 PM

    Regardless of which side of the fence you come down on, until one issue is addressed and solved, then the Patriots will never come out from under the cloud of suspicion.

    IF the science was flawed, and/or atmospheric conditions are to be blamed for the Patriot footballs being deflated, then you MUST explain how, under the same circumstances, that all the Colts balls did not suffer the same fate.

    Until you can answer that to a scientific degree, then it doesn’t really matter what the Patriots say.

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    Have you read the report and the subsequent analysis of it? The answer is right there. And it actually supports the Patriots’ position in this sorry, overblown debacle that Mr. Goodell foisted upon the League (and us poor football fans).

  115. Every time anyone in this Patsterisks organization opens their mouth I just want to put on a body condom circa “Naked Gun.”

  116. The problem is the Patriots have a win at all costs mentality. Which to many is a great way to think. Unfortunately ethics and integrity are an important part of successful organizations and society. Those are not important (I’m not even sure the understand the concept) to the Patriots organization, thus they are having a hard time understanding what the hell is going on.

    That said, I am thoroughly surprised where this whole thing has gone.

  117. It is time for the owners in the NFL to stand up and say enough. It’s time to force Robert Kraft to sell this team, he has no control over himself, his coaches, or the representatives of the organization.

    Donald Sterling was forced to sell the Clippers for derogatory language. This is worse as Kraft is cutting of his nose to spite his face.

  118. talk about a rorschach test! pats fans see the same evidence that we’re all laughing at and say “see i knew the pats were innocent”

  119. Wells response to the prejudging is simply to say in the report there was no bias and then in his interview he asked why would or any one else want to do that? The questions is legitimate and really has no answer. Of course the people who believe the the Wells report use this to say they were not prejudged.

    But no one has asked these questions. One of the elements that drove this story to such epic proportions was the like to Chris Mortenson that 11 of the 12 footballs were as much as 2 PSI under the approved amount. The NFL knew at half time of the AFCCG that that report information was wrong. Yet they never once set the record straight after the Mortenson’s report was issued. Why? If there was no rush to judgement why did Kensil say to the Patriots equipment manager that the Patriots were screwed because at half time the footballs were under pressure?

    For those people saying the Patriots are using the defense that everyone does it, you again are missing the point. The point is there are many reports of ball tampering by times, how come they are not all investigated like the Patriots are. They are asking a question about the consistency of the league on this issue. It is a valid question.

  120. Wow, I am seeing this from the Patriots. We knew that cold weather would have an effect on the psi on the ball. So instead of inflating them a little bit more to adjust for the change in temperature we inflate ours to the bare minimum. They honestly want us to believe that this was not done on purpose to get an advantage? So let’s review:

    Belichick – Cheater
    McDaniels – Cheater

    and now

    Brady – Cheater.

    Brady pays the price for this organizations past.

  121. Comparing Robert Kraft to Donald Sterling is it idiotic, it shows bias and hatred and makes no sense… None what so ever.

    Mr Kraft is defending his franchise from a litany of unfair speculation. There is clearly two sides to this story and repeatedly stifling the other side is irresponsible.

    The opinions and rebuttals offered to the Wells reports are reasonable. What is not reasonable is the clear misconduct and bias showed in this investigation, it is simply reprehensible.

    NFL needs to clean house and it is not Mr Kraft that needs to go… It is Goodell and his Patriots hating minions!!!

  122. For all the Haters out there:

    #1) Anyone with understanding is laughing at you, Goodell, Well$ and his fallacious report.

    #2) Majority rule of condemnation for the Patriots will never change the SCIENTIFIC LAW that exonerates the PATRIOTS.

    #3) Only eight souls were saved (Noah) because the majority rejected SCIENCE & LAW.

    #4) Goodell & Well$ are the Blind leading the Blind Haters.

    #5) AFCCG second half PATRIOTS 28 – Colts 0

    #6) SUPERBOWL XLIX PATRIOTS 28 – Seahawks 24

    #7) We are still LAUGHING at you Haters.

  123. Maybe if you didn’t cheat, you wouldn’t be judged.

    Please explain how you cut the fumble rate of your team from 1/44 plays 2003-2006 to 1/74.5 plays 2007-2014.

    Immediately went from #22 in NFL in fumbles in 2006, never having been in the top 10 (lower numbers = fewer fumbles) to #1 in 2007 and remained in the top 5 every year thereafter other than Brady’s broken hand year.

    Cheating is the reason.

  124. 🏆🏆Brady🏆🏆 says:
    May 14, 2015 1:11 PM

    Truth. Nothing but truth. Haters (idiots) will continue to dismiss it though.

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    Cheating. Nothing but tainted wins because of cheating. Homers (idiots) will continue to defend it though.

  125. So instead of inflating them a little bit more to adjust for the change in temperature we inflate ours to the bare minimum. They honestly want us to believe that this was not done on purpose to get an advantage?

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    I’m sure it was and it was perfectly legal. Nothing in the rulebook says the footballs have to be inflated to a level that keeps them above 12.5 throughout the whole game.

    Just sayin’.

  126. The “wah, wah, wah, we didn’t do anything that no one else is doing ” excuse, sigh , your qb got caught doesn’t matter who else is doing it and after spy gate (again your team got caught) the penalties are legit and actually lenient compared to what Sean Payton got for NO. If Goddell was consistent , Belicheck should be suspended as well

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