It’s unlikely Goodell will overturn Ted Wells’ work

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With Commissioner Roger Goodell deciding to appoint himself to handle the appeal of quarterback Tom Brady’s suspension despite a conflict in his desire to be “The Enforcer” and to placate Patriots owner Robert Kraft, there’s another practical self-interest that will influence the likely inevitable decision to uphold the four-game banishment.

Any decision that lessens the work of Ted Wells will reflect poorly on the person who hired Wells to rack up millions of dollars in legal fees to investigate the situation. Once Wells was given no deadline and a blank check by Goodell, it became difficult if not impossible for anyone in the league office to disregard the work generated by Wells and his team.

While one of Goodell’s 32 constituents surely hopes that Goodell will roll up those 243 pages one at a time and toss them toward the nearest trash receptacle, the other 31 will wonder why Goodell would spend so much of their money on a man whose work product Goodell ultimately declined to trust.

And that’s probably why Goodell decided to handle the appeal himself. If anyone on the outside overturns or undermines the Wells report, Goodell’s decision to rely on Wells in the first place will seem like a very bad decision. And the last thing this Commissioner needs only eight months after the Ray Rice debacle is proof that he may have made another bad decision.

197 responses to “It’s unlikely Goodell will overturn Ted Wells’ work

  1. The developing war between Goodell and Kraft is going to be a doozy. Getcha popcawn!!!!

  2. Sometimes the guilty do get punished. But nothing can even out a decade of cheating. All those games … all those championships. Dirty every one.

  3. iamtheoven says:
    May 15, 2015 9:48 AM
    Squirm Pats fans squirm!

    Why? It’s good for the Patriots if he upholds the suspension.
    If he does it goes to court and it’s all overturned, Brady plays week 1.

    And yes, it can get done before the start of the season.

  4. Exactly. If a court vacated this discipline and blew up the Wells report, it would be blow to Goddell the likes of which he has never felt. Which is precisely why it is preposterous for him to hear the appeal in this case particularly, given its prominence, the role of the League Office in the original set up, Kensil, etc. Courts have already ruled against the circular nature of the NFL’s discipline appeal process.

    The most died in the wool Pats hater has to see this. If their guilt is so obvious, why not let a neutral party take a look at it. Of course, their guilt isn’t obviously, the Well’s report is a fiasco, the punishment a gross overreaction out of step with other recent discipline for competitive rule breaking. Goddell knows this, which is why he’s taking it on himself.

    This is an utter farce.

  5. Haha, I love people that revel in misfortune for the Pats. Makes all the rings that much sweeter. See you on the superbowl again soon.

  6. The simple conflict resolution is for the NFL to select an arbitrator and for Brady to select an arbitrator and for those two arbitrators to pick a third and independent arbitrator to hear the appeal.

    If Goodell does not choose that path he will have foregone the benefit of the doubt and the whole investigation will be revealed as a sham.

  7. I don’t understand why Goodell is the one who gets to decide whether the punishment Goodell decided on is fair or not.

  8. If you actually read the Wells Report and then the Rebuttal, you will see that there is literally ZERO evidence implicating Tom Brady in asking anyone to deflate footballs after ref inspection or that he had any preference for balls to be less than regulation inflation. Anywhere!

    In court, Kessler will easily be able to show the Wells Report for what it is – a pool of SPECULATION and loose assumptions to fit a narrative that predetermined a conclusion that wrongdoing took place.

  9. Florio’s case is that Goddell would never overturn the report, or question it, because he paid for it. You couldn’t better encapsulate the gross injustice of the league handling this appeal. It’s an obvious, flagrant conflict of interest. It also betrays complete panic about the “frailty” of the Wells report.

    I suspect the League might be trying to force Brady into a civil suit. But he might get relief from the Labor Relations Board, which frowns on this kind of domination by employers.

  10. This will burn another two weeks of dead time as we draw closer to training camp, preseason, and ultimately, the stuff that really matters.

  11. Then this is going to court. Brady and Kraft are going to sue the NFL for defamation of character and they should. If the NFL can’t admit that they’ve made major missteps, like using faulty pressure gauges, engaging in a ‘sting’ operation with the Colts and compromising the integrity of the playoff game, and knowing that QBs like Aaron Rodgers have been over-inflating and/or under-inflating footballs for years and not caring until the Patriots were involved, then they’ve left the Patriots with no choice.

  12. The simple conflict resolution is for the NFL to select an arbitrator and for Brady to select an arbitrator and for those two arbitrators to pick a third and independent arbitrator to hear the appeal.

    If Goodell does not choose that path he will have foregone the benefit of the doubt and the whole investigation will be revealed as a sham.

  13. Roger is not going to be wishy washy anymore.

    No favorites, he’s got a job to do and now this job includes bashing back his former friend in the ultimate good of the NFL which is 31 other owners not hell bent on rocking the establish with lies and stonewalling. NE should be forced to give up their franchise

  14. This will be the downfall of Roger Goodell, because everything you just wrote is correct. And understanding that, Robert Kraft will not accept that outcome. Unprecedented as it may be, if Goodell hears this appeal and there is no reduction or admission of mistake, Kraft will take legal action.

    There is nothing more important to Kraft than his team’s brand, and he has already proven to be the first owner in a while with the cajones to raise the middle finger to the league.

  15. The pats and brady are looking smart for waiting to publicly speak out strongly about the report.

    They let Goodell hand out ridiculously large punishments and then gave plenty of reasons to doubt the basis for those punishments.

    Goodell is backed into a corner and has to either defend a weak report and look bad for it or admit they were wrong and wasted millions of dollars.

    So long as brady is willing to go to court, i don’t see this working out well for Goodell. I don’t think Goodell believes brady will do it

  16. dmartin17 says:
    May 15, 2015 9:57 AM

    I don’t understand why Goodell is the one who gets to decide whether the punishment Goodell decided on is fair or not
    ————–

    The CBA states as such. the players association agreed to it

  17. The lil blue pill is affecting Foxboro Bob’s judgement. Blame it on Ricki.

  18. Good!
    Let the clown commissioner stand by the report.
    And then watch it get eviscerated by a neutral party who sees the report for what it is.
    Can’t wait to see Wells get demolished when the report is taken apart for the idiocy that it is.
    Facts? Wells didn’t want any part of those pesky things.
    And Goodell needs to apologize for the lies that came from that office in the aftermath that were designed to inflict maximum damage to one the league members.

  19. Brady and his lawyers know this.
    This “appeal” process is a dog and pony show.
    Quite a league you got there Rog.
    My only question coming out of Brady’s appeal is who will Goodell leak his appeal decision to.

  20. Any decision that lessens the work of Ted Wells will reflect poorly on the person who hired Wells to rack up millions of dollars in legal fees to investigate the situation.
    ********************************************

    Once again proving that he can not be impartial. This is getting more and more ridiculous the longer the NFL handles this. I’ve never seen a commissioner do such a horrible job doing his job. This idiot makes Bud Selig look like a god.

  21. Roger win or lose the only sensible thing to do is let an independent arbitrator rule. Then even if you lose you can say you tried to do what you consider the right thing. Otherwise, Just change your name to Captain Kangaroo and get on with it.

  22. Since the Missouri Supreme Court ruled Roger Goodell being arbitrator is unconstitutional, unless Goodell throws out the entire suspension, it’s going to end up in court simply because he heard the arbitration and Brady’s lawyer’s are going to tear the Wells report to pieces in open court.

  23. If anything the suspension should increase for being a little Nancy boy about the whole thing. A ton of respect lost for Brady on this.

  24. People keep talking as though this is Kraft versus Goodell. It’s actually Kraft versus all the other owners. Who is so naive they think Goodell is doing this on his own?

  25. I think it’s funny that all the NFL fans from all
    The other 31 teams keep hating the Pats…just kiss the rjngs and stop. Goodell is an idiot and everyone knows that. If and when this ford to a court it will get tossed out on its own merit. It has no legs to stand on. If you think it’s the Lats fault think again! The NFL is very sloppy and could be eliminated all
    These issues on there own!! There is a reason why no WB’s have spoken out negatively on the subject….THEY ALL DO IT!! Btw there afraid. To now
    Lose the ability to do it…thank you colts!!!!! I hope you like it

  26. Delusional Patsie fans! He used the word “deflator” in reference to weight loss? Really? Are you that gullible or are you just acting outraged because you’re so embarrassed?

  27. I can’t believe how much worse the Patriots have made themselves look after the fact. Take the shovel away from crazy Bobby K, he can’t stop digging.

    After witnessing this the Benson kids just apologized and reconciled with pops.

  28. If this were to go to court:

    Lawyer for NFL: Mr. Brady did you order the balls to be deflated to your liking?

    Brady: Yes

    Lawyer for NFL: Mr. Belichick did you ever break NFL rules for the purpose of gaining an advantage over the other teams?

    Belicheat: Yes

    Lawyer for NFL: Mr. Kraft did your organization cheat to win?

    Kraft: Yes

    That is why this will NEVER EVER go to court.

  29. One of Goodell’s many flaws is his overzealous protection of the “NFL Shield” to the point of tarnishing it endlessly. Another is his caviler attitude to individual team brands and goodwill.

    There is nothing more important to Kraft than his reputation, his family’s reputation, and his team’s brand. Goodell handed over carte blanche a license for fools on the “Vincent Team” to unduly tarnish that reputation.

  30. Scene:

    Rodger Goddell and John Mara are seen in Goddell’s well furnished office. A stack of papers — the Brady appeal — sits on the desk.

    Goddell: What are we going to do about this appeal.

    Mara: I don’t know, Rodger.

    (Mara pulls out a cigar, then takes the first paper from the stack, sets it on fire, then lights his cigar with the burning paper. The two men look at each other then both burst out laughing.)

    Goddell: (rising, then grabbing one or two papers from the stack) Hold on John, I gotta go to the bathroom…

  31. This is hilarious.

    When Goodell was screwing up everything, Kraft and the Pats thought he was great, comfortable that he’d cover for any of the various cheating they’re doing.

    And he did because Belichick sand Brady should be out for a year.

    But Pats say “Hey, what gives? We’ve always been allowed to cheat with impunity. Why do we have to follow the rules? We should be able to tape other teams, deflate balls, illegally substitute, etc, with NO punishment. It’s our legacy.”

    LOL

  32. If any of the Pats fans would like to be deflated, go to the gym or read the report sent out by the team. Is the education system that bad in the area there ??

    Why would the team have to respond to a honest employees nickname that they have fired ? Does that even make sense ? Why did they fire the guy if he’s doing his job as requested ?? He did his job as requested, with the gifts he sold of course.

    I’d plan on a tell-all book that makes the Pats look even more dimwitted than any fans that believe them, which is pretty hard but probable.

  33. Where has being judge, jury and executioner gotten the NFL or Roger Goodell?

    No where.

    The Pats and Brady should take this to court because the sham of a report will be tossed.

    Roger is on his way out for failing to find the pats guilty with any real evidence.

  34. I agree with the Patriot’s on this one. If Wells very expensive report is so solid, and if the League has enough confidence in it to impose the penalties it has, it should have no issue with a third party arbitrator hearing the case.

    Goodell must know that Brady and his legal team will take this thing to the courts if they must, so I wonder if this is about ego and power – or if it has ramifications in knowing everything the Patriots are going to bring evidence wise to a legal hearing beforehand.

    The saddest aspect of this, is the fact that it I don’t see any positives of the whole mess. Tom Brady looks bad, the League looks bad, the fan base is more divided than ever in the history of the sport.

    All over some slightly underinflated footballs of unknown cause that had no impact in a blowout game.

    I don’t think Brady told or paid anyone to deflate footballs below the league minimum requirement. Did he tell his equipment guys that 16lbs PSI was uncool and don’t let it happen again? Probably, but that isn’t a conspiracy to use underinflated footballs.

    I don’t think Goodell had a hidden agenda and trying to take Brady down. Did he muck this up like he does most things and is now doing a CYA event? Probably, but that doesn’t prove he has an anti-Patriot agenda.

    All I know is that between Goodell, Krafts legal team, Wells milking the billing clock, and the media stirring up a mob mentality, this farce is making me reconsider baseball.

  35. I actually see Goodell accepting the conclusions in Wells’ report, but then concluding that Vincent’s punishment of both Brady and the Pats was excessive.

    In Goodell’s mind, concluding that Vincent, his underling, got the punishments wrong would allow him to accep the findings of the Wells Report while simultaneously arguing that he can be fair and impartial when it comes to imposing discipline.

    This would also leave Brady and the Pats in something of a conundrum; do they accept the reduced penalty or bring the matters to Court, which would open up the discovery process?

  36. The NFL is a franchise system, not unlike McDonald’s. Kraft owns a franchise … a really good one … but a franchise none the less. He can’t overpower the league, any more than a McDonald’s owner can’t overpower the Corporation.

    If he could the league wouldn’t be worth a plugged nickle. Every owner would go their own way and then what …who would the Pat’s play, by what rules, for what ?

    As for Goodell hearing the appeal, that is an agreement the league has with the players union, called the CBA, renegotiated just a couple of years ago. The NFLPA agreed to that process. They got nowhere to run.

  37. “If anyone on the outside overturns or undermines the Wells report, Goodell’s decision to rely on Wells in the first place will seem like a very bad decision.”

    …which is exactly why he should be the LAST person to handle the appeal?

  38. ..and another truth that Pats fans still haven’t come to grips with – once the Cheater is reinstated, he will be a marked man for the rest of his short, painful career.

  39. btw. As I understand it, while Brady has a right to take this to court, the Patriot’s franchise under the league constitution does not. As part of being in the NFL individual teams signed away the right to sue the league.

  40. For the first time in a long time I’m glad Goodell will handle something personaly. He has made so many mistakes reguarding league discipline recently I believe he is trying to improve his image and punishing, the cheater Brady, is the perfect opportunity.

  41. The guy above got it right with his CBA comment. Both sides, players like Adrian Peterson who were screwed and owners like Robert Kraft who were screwed, AGREED to this foolishness. Until the CBA is renegotiated, enjoy your screwing.

  42. EXCELLENT !

    Then we can guarantee a court hearing and Brady’s guys can put the knife through the heart of the NFL/Goodell.

    It will be most pleasurable !

  43. All of you saying this is going to court – how long do you think that’s going to take? Do you think the appeal is going to be done in a week? Hardy was suspended almost a month ago, there hasn’t been any movement on that. Best case scenario, the appeal is heard and decided by mid July? Hm, that leaves two months to go through court? Sounds like the penalty would be over before it got through court.

  44. I AM ABOUT TO LOSE MY MIND!!!! WHY WOULD THEY FIRE MCNALLY AND JASTREMSKI IF THEY DIDN’T DEFLATE FOOTBALLS? Gee, I don’t know, HOW ABOUT STEALING TEAM EQUIPMENT FOR THE LAST YEAR? OR BEING THE CENTERPIECE OF AN ONGOING, HIGHLY PUBLIC ISSUE?

    Cherry on top is that they didn’t fire them, either – they are suspended, and could very well be reinstated when this is all finished.

    It pains me how stupid people are.

  45. dmartin17 says:
    May 15, 2015 9:57 AM

    I don’t understand why Goodell is the one who gets to decide whether the punishment Goodell decided on is fair or not.

    ————-

    I don’t understand why there is any appeal at all.

  46. tavisteelersfan says:

    May 15, 2015 10:16 AM
    btw. As I understand it, while Brady has a right to take this to court, the Patriot’s franchise under the league constitution does not. As part of being in the NFL individual teams signed away the right to sue the league.

    Tell that to Al Davis (oh wait he’s dead) – anyway, he beat them twice in court… you really believe that you can sign away your right to go to go court as a final resolution in a dispute where you believe you’ve been severely wronged ?

    Laughable…

  47. What’s hilarious to me is how the CBA is a perfectly legitimate reason for Goodell to handle the appeal while at the same time people find it incredulous that Brady would not hand over his phone per the very same CBA that says he is under no obligation to do so.

    Hypocrites. All of you.

  48. This won’t go to court due to the “Discovery Process”.

    That means Brady would have to hand over the contents of his phone as well as McNally handing over his phone (only Jastremski’s phone was handed over due to it being a company issued phone, he had no choice). Its highly unlikely that McNally had a company phone due to the fact he is/was a part-time seasonal employee.

    Also, McNally would have to testify about the whole “deflator” issue.

  49. The delusion among Patriot fans is astounding. This isn’t going to court, folks. It’s not. Goodell isn’t going anywhere soon. The punishments will stand. Kessler isn’t the white knight riding in to save the day. You guys need to get out of that Patriot echo chamber and realize what the rest of the world thinks about this whole thing.

    #cheaterjustice

    #justfessup

  50. If this goes to Fed court it “more likely than not” will prove to be a disaster for the Pats. In that venue they will be forced to “show and tell” which includes Tommy’s phone. N.E. needs to shut up and hunker down because the rest of the country is laughing at the Pats and is generally in agreement with Goodell.

  51. He shouldn’t. Tom didn’t cooperate. Period. end of story. No zealous, partisan, hysterical, pointless, ignorant, fanboi responses necessary. Pats fan is illogical, short sided, and stupid if he thinks Brady and the press Brady created hasn’t damaged the game.

  52. It’s unlikely Goodell will be commissioner next year….
    Way to turn a gust of wind into a F5 tornado!!!

  53. If this goes to to court, Brady will have to come clean, that being the phone and the electronic media being turned over. Don’t be so positive guys that there will be a court case. Just ask Brady. He knows better than anyone. “Oops, there is something on my phone I didn’t want you to see after all”. Goodell won’t lose here. Either, he upholds the suspension, which will happen, or if it goes to court, Brady has to produce the phone and the media. Check and mate. Goodell wins. Part of the suspension was due to the fact he didn’t totally cooperate.

  54. As a Patriots fan that feels like this whole debacle is ridiculous, I have decided to review my own feelings on the matter and decided to not overturn them.

    The NFL and the other 31 teams can suck a bag of balls.

    Time to go get #5 TB.

  55. First, Goodell is hearing tjis because that is what CBA says. You know, the agreement the players agreed to?

    Next, Brady does not want this to go to court. Florio can correct me if I am wrong, but I think that would subject Bradys phone, computer and anything/anybody else to subpoena. He surely does not want that.

  56. Tee hee 🙂 It’s clear reading these comments that Patriot Hater is getting nervous.

    In fact… the news this morning is that the two ball boys are going to testify in the appeal. They will be asked directly under oath whether they deflated footballs and whether Brady asked them to. That will torpedo this case. Do you think Brady would have let it get this far if the answers they had weren’t favorable? Of course not.

    When this gets thrown out… maybe your sorry team can FINALLY figure out once and for all that the way to beat the World Champion Patriots is by being smarter, getting better players and working harder instead of squealing about those meanies in Foxboro and what they do or don’t do.

    Is that REALLY too much to ask? It’s not rocket science folks.

    In the meantime…nice to know we own you. 🙂

    #yeswedo
    #bowtous.
    #urTeamIsNotOnOurLevel

  57. roger goodell should of been fired years ago he sucks and im laughing my ass off as Robert kraft is just starting to see what a p.o.s. roger goodell is

  58. I love that the World Champions are so far in Patriot Hater’s head that they can lean back on a recliner and stretch their feet! 🙂

    GET ON YOUR KNEES AND BOW TO THE WORLD CHAMPS. KNOW YOUR PLACE. YOUR TEAM IS NOTHING. YOUR TEAM IS INFERIOR. ADMIT IT PUNKS.

  59. Act like a cheater get treated like a cheater.

    The Patri*ts had every bit of this and more coming to them.

    Even the score Roger !!!!!!!

    Raise the suspension to 8 games.

  60. His bad decision came when he let his office leak all the misinformation causing this to blow up. He had the chance to refute easily refutable things like the leaked air pressure in the balls and chose not to. Now he can’t put the Genie back in the bottle, nor is he even trying to.

  61. For all you Pats fans asking for court, careful what you wish for.

    If it goes to court Brady better pony up that phone and be prepared for Mr. Deflator to sit on the stand. This has the propensity to get much uglier.

    Go ahead- take it to court.

  62. Funny how you want to go to court when you could have participated or apologized to start with.

    This will never go to court. Tarnish Tommy would be in contempt for lying.

  63. Strikes me this board is almost all Patriot fans this morning. Of course you all think its ridiculous. Looking at the polls no one else from outside that cheating organization does. How many more times do the Patriots have to be brought into another situation. It seems something happens every year. Good luck with the appeal. Can’t wait to hear what Brady’s messages had to say. Time has come to release them.

  64. I hope whatever settlement they reach in court includes a public apology from the NFL.

  65. ravc82 says:
    May 15, 2015 10:36 AM
    For all you Pats fans asking for court, careful what you wish for.

    If it goes to court Brady better pony up that phone and be prepared for Mr. Deflator to sit on the stand. This has the propensity to get much uglier.

    Go ahead- take it to court.
    ___________
    If they file a lawsuit, the NFL will settle faster than you can blink. When’s the last time the NFL actually got sued and took it to verdict? I can’t think of a single instance from Vilma to concussions, etc. They always settle…because they’re always wrong.

  66. << ravc82 says:
    May 15, 2015 10:36 AM

    For all you Pats fans asking for court, careful what you wish for.

    If it goes to court Brady better pony up that phone and be prepared for Mr. Deflator to sit on the stand. This has the propensity to get much uglier.

    Go ahead- take it to court.<<<

    And you don't think Brady and his legal team know this??? Duuuh!!
    Brady's willingness to take this to court speaks to his innocence.

  67. In my view this is the biggest flaw in Wells’ efforts: the NFL should have hired someone to INVESTIGATE and publish a FACT-BASED report with no conclusions. A second party–even if it was someone in the NFL office–should have examined the report and other documents available to reach a conclusion about whether or not a violation occurred. Yet another party should have determined the punishment (if warranted).

    I am a card-carrying Patriot hater and the evidence suggests to me there was an orchestrated attempt–with Brady’s involvement–to circumvent the rules.

    That said, I can’t get passed the flawed process used by the NFL. Yes, I know there’s precedence. Yes, I know aspects of this are in the NFL’s agreement with the NFLPA. Wells simply should not have been the evidence gatherer and decider of guilt anymore than a district attorney should serve in the role of police officer, prosecutor and judge.

  68. Goodell definitely went all in on this. He really doesn’t have many (good) alternatives, he pretty much has to call Brady’s bluff. And this article is correct for the reasons stated.

  69. FoozieGrooler says: May 15, 2015 10:16 AM

    ..and another truth that Pats fans still haven’t come to grips with – once the Cheater is reinstated, he will be a marked man for the rest of his short, painful career.

    ———————————————-

    THIS. Former Bountygate or not…it’s naive to think that there aren’t LBs, DBs, and DEs chomping at the bit to take a shot at Brady’s knees. (Bernard Pollard, anyone?)

  70. In Sports Illustrated, Michael McCann wrote:

    “Unlike Brady, the Patriots have no collectively bargained right to an appeal. Their only source for appeal is to reach out to Goodell and hope he or a designate of his choosing revises the punishment. The Patriots are members of a franchise of leagues and are contractually bound to follow the NFL’s constitution and other legal instruments. The NFL’s constitution makes clear teams can’t take their grievances to court and that any attempt to do so would likely be futile. Like the other 31 NFL ownership groups, Kraft has agreed to abide by the Constitution and assented to not sue the league or other owners.”

  71. This reminds me of a Texas Holdem No Limit poker game. The Patriots went all in on a bluff and are hoping the NFL will fold. The NFL hardly ever does that if at all. Remember the Williams Starcaps case and how long for it to finally get resolved.

  72. This is merely the positiong of forces following alleged violations. First shots have yet to really be fired. First shots belong to Brady / Patriots – Kraft. Goodell appointed himself to be arbitrator. Interesting, but possibly an unwise decision.

    As Arbitrator, Goodell must be neutral throughout the hearing process. The hearing process will undoubtedly be played out in the court of public opinion. All of the arguments (attacks) against the NFL, Troy Vincent, Ted Wells and others, will be presented with force, ruthless force. As Roger sits there, in a mandatory contemplative posture.

    As these attacks unfold, who is left to challenge the appeal arguments in the court of Public Opinion. Goodell can’t, Vincent shouldn’t, and Wells, if he strikes back, may very well open doors and make remarks, outside of the four corners of his report, which Im sure the Brady / Kraft forces hope he does.

    The Appeal is really step one. Brady / Patriots are probably required to exhaust administrative remedies, before they can filebsuit in Federal Court, as the Plaintiff. I’d be surprised if the pleadings aren’t 90% done right now.

    So here Goodell sits, passing judgement on Leauge behavior and the Wells report. ProFootballTalk has done an amazing job of covering this story. From all sides, reporting the facts and editorial opinion as warranted (article today on Goodells role in the appeal). On one hand, if Goodell dismisses all sanctions against Brady / Patriots, he has the public and owners to deal with on all kinds of issues. On the other hand if he reduces the sanctions, which I think Brady / Patriots will refuse, he could weaken the Leagues case in Court, which is where this is going. If he upholds Wells findings and sanctions, then it hits the Court and must pass all of the proceedural tests, and be able to argue more probable than not, generally aware, and a huge list of process and evedentiary hurdles.

    Roger has decided to hold the gernade with the pin pulled out. Better find the pin fast Roger, as you may find its to late to put it back in. We all know what happens then.

    And Brady / Patriots havent even fired a shot yet. This is going to be one heck of a story!

  73. Brady should be afraid of court ? LOL !

    The NFL has more skeletons in it’s closet than any human/company alive !

    If it goes to court – which I’m really hoping it will – you can bet Tom’s got nothing to hide and the fireworks will really start.

    My only fear is Goodell/NFL cave and Brady doesn’t get the chance to put the dagger through their collective hearts !

  74. tigerlilac says:
    May 15, 2015 10:13 AM

    One of Goodell’s many flaws is his overzealous protection of the “NFL Shield” to the point of tarnishing it endlessly. Another is his caviler attitude to individual team brands and goodwill.

    There is nothing more important to Kraft than his reputation, his family’s reputation, and his team’s brand. Goodell handed over carte blanche a license for fools on the “Vincent Team” to unduly tarnish that reputation.
    ********************************************
    Unduly tarnish???????

    Sorry tiger… the Patri*ts took care of that all by themselves.

  75. flash1287 says:
    May 15, 2015 9:55 AM
    iamtheoven says:
    May 15, 2015 9:48 AM
    Squirm Pats fans squirm!

    Why? It’s good for the Patriots if he upholds the suspension.
    If he does it goes to court and it’s all overturned, Brady plays week 1.

    And yes, it can get done before the start of the season.
    ____________________________
    You are dreaming there is NO way the punishment is reduced in the courts. Brady should be happy he even gets to play again.

  76. dmartin17 says:
    May 15, 2015 9:57 AM

    Isn’t this like the president being the only one who can veto the president?

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    I’m just glad Goddell isn’t the President. The last one of those that said “I am the decider” just about destroyed the economy and got a bunch of our kids killed over a big lie.

  77. Has the NFL office leaked that Goodell is upholding the suspensions to the NY papers yet? Or are they holding off until this bag job goes through the motions. Please sue them Mr Kraft.

  78. I’m quite sure Brady’s team is aware of the discovery process, and thus realizes that he would/might have to hand over his phone if it goes to court. Some of you are posting this as if they surely don’t know that, LOL!
    So, if they purse court, it probably means they don’t fear anything about that, and his prior reluctance was due to exactly what the legal team said….not wanting to set precendent as advised by the NFLPA.

  79. tavisteelersfan says:
    May 15, 2015 10:48 AM
    In Sports Illustrated, Michael McCann wrote:

    “Unlike Brady, the Patriots have no collectively bargained right to an appeal. Their only source for appeal is to reach out to Goodell and hope he or a designate of his choosing revises the punishment. The Patriots are members of a franchise of leagues and are contractually bound to follow the NFL’s constitution and other legal instruments. The NFL’s constitution makes clear teams can’t take their grievances to court and that any attempt to do so would likely be futile. Like the other 31 NFL ownership groups, Kraft has agreed to abide by the Constitution and assented to not sue the league or other owners.”

    Are you not listening ? Al Davis was party to the same agreement and SUED THEM 2X and won both times.
    SI is parroting what is in the NFL constitution – we all know what it says… but the courts seem to feel a bit differently.

  80. Goodell lacks Integrity so he hires Well$ to do a “Impartial” (Laugh) Investigation on 0.05 psi air pressure.

    Well$ has no Integrity as he rejects UNBIASED Scientific Law the GOVERNS air pressure worldwide 24/7, as well as rejecting all the evidence that exonerates the Patriots.

    So we now go back to Goodell ………..

    Take this to court and sue the hell out of Goodell, the NFL, Well$ and ESPN.

  81. dmartin17 says:
    May 15, 2015 9:57 AM
    I don’t understand why Goodell is the one who gets to decide whether the punishment Goodell decided on is fair or not.
    **********************
    Actually Troy Vincent issued the punishment.

  82. Headline reads:
    “It’s unlikely Goodell will overturn Ted Wells’ work”

    Wow…shocker, this is exactly why its a waste of time and just needs to go to the real courts now.

    Why even have this b/s phase in the middle?

  83. BRADY will not be there opening night..which he shouldnt and the Pats do not have a first round pick next year….

    END OF STORY..

    NO JUDGE is going to overturn a sports commisioners rulings…

  84. Goodell won’t overturn the Patriots punishment—what a shocker! Goodell is either the stupidest man in the world or a full-fledged masochist. If he were to side with the Pats (which he won’t) and reduce their punishment, most of the league and fan-base will despise him (even more than they already do); if he doesn’t overturn the punishment he alienates his premier franchise, their fans and he loses the support of his chief advocate amongst the owners (the man who stopped the other owners from firing him after he screwed up the Rice affair)—and if he comes down in the middle, reduces the suspension and fines, everyone will hate him. Why would he put himself in that position? If he had appointed a neutral arbitrator, he could have said, “I tried to be tough”. What a wienie!

  85. In court, there will be access to the relevant Brady phone correspondence, so I wouldn’t be so quick to say that is the next course of action. I do have two questions for Pats supporters….Are you supporting the idea that these two were “rogue ball deflators”? If there is no guilt, why did the Pats suspend these two employees?

  86. jf203 says:
    May 15, 2015 10:57 AM
    “BRADY will not be there opening night..which he shouldnt and the Pats do not have a first round pick next year….

    END OF STORY..

    NO JUDGE is going to overturn a sports commisioners rulings”

    Goodell has been overturned every time he’s been taken to court.

  87. THIS. Former Bountygate or not…it’s naive to think that there aren’t LBs, DBs, and DEs chomping at the bit to take a shot at Brady’s knees. (Bernard Pollard, anyone?)

    —-

    Sure and then on the next play that player gets their playing career ended by an “accidental” chop block to the back of the knee. Sounds like a brilliant idea.

    Silly Patriot Hater. So emotional 🙂

  88. No judge will overturn a sports commisioners rulings..just cos the Pats have their panties in a bunch over a decision..it would set precedent EVERY ruling can be thrown in court system..and the courts DO NOT WANT THAT

  89. losersneedexcuses says:
    May 15, 2015 10:56 AM

    Are you not listening ? Al Davis was party to the same agreement and SUED THEM 2X and won both times.
    SI is parroting what is in the NFL constitution – we all know what it says… but the courts seem to feel a bit differently.

    ************************
    Big difference in the lawsuits filed by Al Davis and rules violations by one of the teams.

    As SI said, they cannot sue on the basis of a rules judgement by the Commissioner.

    One is business related, the other is internal rules violation.

  90. Ba ha ha let the pats comments that somehow the comish will get ousted poor in. Some of them have sounded like death treats. Real class.

  91. Goodell WILL not suspend Brady & probably give Kraft his fine money back so he can stay in the good graces of Kraft & the by GOD patsies, the darlings of the NFL!!! It is such a crock!!! You’re welcome patsie fans a corrupt commishner just for your patsies!!! JUST SICKENING!!!

  92. If Goodell is going to have any credibility he will seek out several reputable scientists with no affiliation with anyone involved in the matter to review both Exponents’ analysis of the psi changes and the application of the Ideal Gas Law as well as the Mackinnon’s published rebuttal.

    If the panel reviewing this states that the deflation was indeed in the realm of the Ideal Gas Law then the more probable than not balance shifts and then favors Brady and the Pats.

    The other problem is that we still have the matter of non-cooperation with the cell phone. Goodell can actually override this easily as the punishment is clearly inconsistent with prior events (Chargers, $20k for not turning over the “stickum towel” and Brett Favre $50k for obstructing). Additionally, there is a hypocrisy factor here as Kessler and Yee will definitely point out that the NFL League Officials, including Goodel, did not turn over personal cell phones during the Mueller Investigation. Furthermore Yee can cite the leaks and misinformation allowed by the league office as his reasons to advise his client not to turn over his cell phone.

    If the panel backs Exponents’ analysis then Goodell must uphold the suspension but could reduce the number of games as the non-cooperation penalty was an overreach.

    However, with Kessler on the legal team and the problems within the Wells Report I expect Brady and his counsel to take this to the NLRB if the suspension is not fully overturned. I do believe Brady would accept a fine for not turning over his cell phone.

    Regardless it will be interesting to see how Goodell handles this.

  93. For those of you who are unfamiliar with the concept of court and the ” discovery process” :

    It doesn’t mean that the only the Patriots have to turn over materials such as texts, emails etc, but also the NFL, Goodell, Wells, Vincent, Kensil, et al

    It doesn’t mean that only Brady and McNally will have to testify under oath in open court, but also anyone involved, including Wells and Goodell.

    It doesn’t mean that the Patriots are limited to just “frame gate” . Since Goodell is using his ” repeat offender” statute to punish the Patriots for any / all previous transgressions.

    Goodell will have to come clean on all other disciplinary cases that he has handled : Rice, Peterson, Hardy, Spygate, Bounty gate, etc.

    The Patriots could also call other team’s personnel to testify and speak to Goodell’s handling of their disciplinary situations.

    Stand away when the closet is opened and the skeletons come flying out.
    .

  94. dukeearl says:
    May 15, 2015 10:57 AM
    dmartin17 says:
    May 15, 2015 9:57 AM
    I don’t understand why Goodell is the one who gets to decide whether the punishment Goodell decided on is fair or not.
    **********************
    “Actually Troy Vincent issued the punishment.”

    You really believe that? If you do, I hate to break this to you; but, it was your parents who left money under your pillow when you lost your baby teeth…not the tooth fairy.

  95. The US Courts are not afraid of Goodell & the NFL.

    Any impartial Judge that is watching this circus is hoping it goes to court.

    Goodell & Well$ are breaking serious laws that protect US citizens from SLANDER, FRAME, EXTORTION, PREJUDICE to name a few.

    NFL is not our Sheild – The US Constitution is.

  96. Some Patriots fans are naive, or delusional, or both. The courts are not going to step in after the NFLPA collectively bargained away (to the NFL Commish) the right to punish cheating players. Brady was caught by Wells in a cheating scheme.

    At the time that the NFLPA agreement was execute a few years ago, the Partiots members of the NFLPA (includes Brady) had already been involved in a cheating organization and most likely were complicit in the cheating.

  97. jf203 says:

    May 15, 2015 11:02 AM

    No judge will overturn a sports commisioners rulings..
    ———————————-
    History disagree’s with you, Goodell is always wrong once it gets to the court level

  98. Someone on here asked – “What did the Patriots fan do to piss off Goodell ?”

    We DESTROYED the colts – second half AFCCG 28-0

    We then went on to win the SUPERBOWL – PATRIOTS 28 – Seahawks 24

    That REALLY pissed EVERONE off !!!!!!!

    LMAO

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  99. kepdogg23 says:
    May 15, 2015 11:00 AM
    In court, there will be access to the relevant Brady phone correspondence, so I wouldn’t be so quick to say that is the next course of action. I do have two questions for Pats supporters….Are you supporting the idea that these two were “rogue ball deflators”? If there is no guilt, why did the Pats suspend these two employees?”

    What don’t people understand about the fact that the league in their ruling REQUIRED the Pats to suspend the ball guys. McNally had to be suspended indefinitely and Jastremski can’t be re-hired with league approval. Since the Patriots are saying that NOBODY deflated balls, once this whole thing is overturned, don’t be surprised if both these guys are brought back.

  100. The accuser,police,judge (via Wells) ,jury and now the man who listens to the appeal.

  101. ” Jastremski can’t be re-hired with league approval”

    That should be: Jastremski can’t be re-hired without league approval

  102. They were suspended for asking and supplying shoes without permission.
    I believe there was no ball deflation. Tom wanted the balls at 12.5. He was smart to know due to temp changes they would lose some air pressure. Nothing illegal about that. And no evidence he asked for balls to be deflate under 12.5 psi.
    If goodell does not overturn Vincent’s ruling this will go to court and likely be overturned. Given this will be in court Tom will unlikely miss a game this year unless the court process is expedited

  103. He obviously can’t be impartial. True

    CBA gave him this power. True.

    Stuck between a rock and a hard place.

  104. stburke40 says:
    May 15, 2015 11:00 AM
    jf203 says:
    May 15, 2015 10:57 AM
    “BRADY will not be there opening night..which he shouldnt and the Pats do not have a first round pick next year….

    END OF STORY..

    NO JUDGE is going to overturn a sports commisioners rulings”

    Goodell has been overturned every time he’s been taken to court.
    ****************************
    Key words here, RULES VIOLATION… this is not discipline for punching wife, smoking pot, etc….

  105. There was no ball deflation. Ideal Gas Law using the guage that the refs actually USED (and Wells ignored for some reason) SHOWED THAT.

    At most 2 or 3 balls were .2 PSI under the “estimate”. That .2 PSI is less than 1% of air in a ball. Who deflates a ball 1%? Why?

    Before you hang a man, you better make sure you get it right.

    Most likely the ball boys were deflating it TO 12.5PSI, as the refs had previously jacked up the pressure to as much as 16 PSI in previous games.

    Whether Brady knew about that or not, I don’t know.

  106. jf203 says:
    May 15, 2015 10:57 AM

    BRADY will not be there opening night..which he shouldnt and the Pats do not have a first round pick next year….

    END OF STORY..

    NO JUDGE is going to overturn a sports commisioners rulings…
    _________________________________

    You may want to check out how Goodel’s decisions have fared in court. History is NOT on Goodell’s side.

    However history is on Kessler’s side. He owns the NFL in legal disputes. Kessler doesn’t seem to take cases against the NFL that he can’t win. Very telling that he joined Brady’s legal counsel.

  107. Pat fans are really deusional…..listen BRADY feces still stink and Belichick cheated on his wife…

  108. It amazes me how little people pay attention to detail and then post opinions on something they don’t have all the facts about (I’m looking at you Ted Wells). So far I’ve read in the comments about how you cannot sue the NFL as a team (Al Davis and the Raiders), as a player (all the Saints that were suspended in Bountygate). I’ve read McNally didn’t turn his phone over, except he did.

    The case I point to when I talk about Brady taking the NFL to court is the Pat and Kevin Williams lawsuit against the NFL. They were suspended by the NFL and sued to have the suspension overturned. It took almost 2 years for that case to finish in court, and in that time they played an entire season. My feeling is that the Brady case may just turn out the same way.

    I feel Tom will be exonerated in court because the Wells report is laughable. The NFL did indeed engage in a “sting operation” to catch them red handed. There is absolutely no evidence anywhere that Brady wanted the balls under inflated, and the NFL is going to take $2 million dollars of his salary away on a “probably” with no hard facts behind it? Put yourself in his shoes and someone is trying to take away 25% of your annual salary away based on the “evidence” the NFL has. You’d fight like hell too to get it back.

  109. This is not going to go to court. If it did, the burden of proof would be on the Patriots to show the that the suspensions were based on faulty evidence, and to do so UNDER OATH, which is a lot different than Patriots employees participating in a voluntary interview with Ted Wells. It would not be the NFL’s burden to demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that the Wells report was correct. So, Kraft and company can poke as many holes as they like in the Wells report but will actually have to show compelling evidence that it was wrong (not just absence of evidence that Brady was guilty) to get the judgement in their favor.

  110. Goodell.
    The Colts.
    Harbaugh.
    Wells.

    Goodell.
    The Colts.
    Harbaugh.
    Wells.

    Goodell.
    The Colts.
    Harbaugh.
    Wells.

    – Arya Kraft

  111. Re: People who think that the Pats want this to go to court? That is CRAZY. As soon as you do that, you open up the investigation again – this time with subpoenas, full access to phone and data records, potential perjury (i.e. jail time), etc. Do you really think the deflator/McNally (who just lost his job) wouldn’t roll over on Brady & everyone else to avoid jail time? He will sing the truth and it will be worse than what the report says (going back to 2008).

    When the truth really comes out… 4 game suspension? Now it’s a lifetime ban. 2 draft picks? Think about losing your first round picks for the rest of the decade.

    All of the public arguments I read yesterday made by the Patriots were WEAK. Deflator = weight loss? Really?? That alone should tell you what’s going on. It’s a classic disinfo attempt. Tarnish the reputation of the report. Throw out alternative “theories” about what the evidence means.

    Go read the texts…

    “Tom sucks…im going make that next ball a [expletive] balloon” – this means that McNally is adjusting the pressure of the balls after they have been inspected.

    “The only thing deflating sun..is his passing rating” – this means the topic of ball deflation was discussed and that McNally was upset with what Tom Brady said about how good of a job of deflating he was doing. Also substantiated by this: “Tom must really be on you”.

    ” Make sure you blow up the ball to look like a rugby ball so tom can get used to it before sunday” leads to “Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks….or its a rugby sunday” – indicating that Tom was complaining about wanting the balls more deflated and McNally wants to get paid to keep doing a good job.

    “Maybe u will have some nice size 11s in ur locker”
    “Size 11?”
    “2 or 3X?”
    “11 0r 11 half……2x unless its tight fitting”

    These are all discussions around the bribes that were being handed out for illegally deflating the balls.

    “Nice dude…jimmy needs some kicks…lets make a deal…come on help the deflator”. and “Chill buddy im just [ex.] with you…im not going to espn…..yet”.
    And then joking around about going to ESPN…for doing what exactly? Well, should be obvious now…clue: it’s not weight loss.

    Why were they doing this? Go read about the impact of fumbles since 2008 when the new ball handling rules were in effect. The NE Patriots had a virtually impossible to achieve statistic (only for home games) for an outdoor stadium in New England’s weather. Try to explain how that was possible without cheating. If it was miraculous coaching, then why did it work only in home games (where the deflator was handling their balls)?

    Yea – take that to court and see what happens. Tom and Bill will be joining Pete Rose on the “never going to make it to the HoF” list. They need to suck it up and take the “softball” punishment they have. Appeal (and lose) because it saves face, but they’d be crazy to go to court over this.

  112. Roger Goodell is hoping that the anti-Patriots sentiment will rocket him to popularity. Maybe he’s right. He did nothing to the Panthers for ball violations because, after all, the Panthers are not the Patriots. Nobody would care. Goodell does what he does to defend the shield of Goodell and not the shield of the NFL. It will lead to his eventual downfall. He’s really boxing himself in. My bet is that if he takes on Kroenke in the LA move, he will be GONE.

  113. All you folks slamming Tom Brady for not giving up his phone: COME OFF IT!

    Look, I don’t have anything to hide, yet I still don’t run off and give my phone to the government, my employer, or ANYONE!

    This whole, “if you had nothing to hide, you’d give up your phone” stuff is BS. You guys wouldn’t let someone pry into your personal lives either. This is the USA for Gosh Sakes!

    Baloney.

  114. belichickluvsu says:
    “..See ya in court Roger. You are gonna make such a azz out of yourself…”

    Nothing beats watching Pats fans doing exactly that.

  115. Not only did Goodell hire Wells, but you have to assume that he was able to see the report before it was released to either the Patriots or the public. It means that he not only tacitly approved the report at the start, but then he doubled down with the punishment.

    I can really see only 4 reasons why he might be doing this-

    1 – He is power mad/crazy.
    2 – He is checking public sentiment and if there is an outcry he will find someone impartial to hear the appeal.
    3 – He is trying to goad the Patriots into filing a court case where their records will be subpoenaed and employees will be put under oath when they testify. This is a risky bet as the same NFL will come under the scrutiny.
    4 – His plan all along was to play a game of chicken with Kraft and Brady to see who blinks first.

  116. It is extremely interesting to me how many people miss the fact that this is all about public opinion. And the general public opinion, much to the chagrin of Pats fans, is that the Patriots are an organization of cheaters AND that they have been cheating for quite some time. Even other NFL coaches have openly call Belicheck “Belicheat”. That’s what this is about. The deflated footballs are just a means to an end. The general public wants to see the Patriots get raked over hot coals.

    That being said, I’d be surprised if Goodell doesn’t reduce the discipline to 2 games, half a million, and only one 4th round pick in 2016 draft. There is irrefutable evidence that rules were broken by Patriots employees. Pats fans saying Brady’s lawyers would have an easy time tearing up the Wells report in open court are clearly not looking at the facts (as minimal as they are in the report).

  117. losersneedexcuses: I think what you might be saying in not so many words is that Kraft agreed with the no sue the league policy when it was about Snyder and Jones loosing $10s of millions in caps space, or Benson loosing a gm, coach and chunk of his team, but not so much when the agreement applies to the Pats loosing Brady for 4 and two draft picks.

    “What’s Good for the Gander” I suppose.

  118. bhampax says:

    Re: People who think that the Pats want this to go to court? That is CRAZY. As soon as you do that, you open up the investigation again – this time with subpoenas, full access to phone and data records, potential perjury (i.e. jail time), etc. Do you really think the deflator/McNally (who just lost his job) wouldn’t roll over on Brady & everyone else to avoid jail time?

    =========================================

    What jail time? This would be a civil case. It’s a labor dispute. There are no criminal charges, there is no jail time.

  119. To all of you saying “if the pats are guilty why not let a neutral party arbitrate?”

    How about if the Pats are innocent, why are they releasing a 20,000 word document published on a public website only to FIRE the very people that document was created to defend later that same day?

  120. “All you folks slamming Tom Brady for not giving up his phone: COME OFF IT!

    Look, I don’t have anything to hide, yet I still don’t run off and give my phone to the government, my employer, or ANYONE!

    This whole, “if you had nothing to hide, you’d give up your phone” stuff is BS. You guys wouldn’t let someone pry into your personal lives either. This is the USA for Gosh Sakes!

    Baloney.”

    If I was getting accused of a serious infraction to the point where I risk losing my job and money, f**k yes id give up my phone. If giving up my phone exonerates me, they can have it.

  121. The more Ted Wells talks the more he shows he is entrenched in this. Independent investigators file report and move on…

  122. Given this will be in court Tom will unlikely miss a game this year unless the court process is expedited
    ——————————————–
    This will never see a real court room. The last thing Brady, the Patriots, Yee, or the union want is anyone testifying under oath. Brady will give up his cell records if the court issues a subpoena.

    If the league appeal fails expect a statement from NE or Brady similar to; We disagree with the decision but for the good of the league, the player, and the team we will live with it.

    No one gets sued in a real court.

  123. I wouldn`t be surprised if Brady cheated,I wouldn`t be surprised if Brady lied but i would be stunned if the report holds up in court.You have to count to one before you get to two.
    You first have to establish a crime was committed before you can look for the guilty party.
    The missteps pregame and throughout the “testing” process made it impossible to know if the balls were deflated illegally or not.The gas leaks studies and all scientific evidence will hold up in court as far superior to the Wells report.Criminals get off every day because of faulty work and technicalities.When this goes to court he will get off whether he`s guilty or not because of the investigation didn`t prove that it`s more reasonable than not a crime actually happened.
    If you can get 3 different readings with the same gauge on the same ball your test is faulty.

  124. To all u patriot fans who are clinging to the idea that some how they are going to sue the league, I wouldn’t hold your breath if they would sue the league they would never win nothing again the NFL would make sure of it look at the raiders ol al Davis sued the league n just look what his franchise has looked like since then so I say go ahead pats make rogers day!!!

  125. Two things: For those wishful thinkers that want the penalties to increase; it’s not an option. Can’t happen. Either it’s reduced or stays the same.

    Second: There is not one shred of evidence Brady told these guys to underinflate FBs, or even that Brady likes them under inflated. After the Jets game where the balls were 16 psi, Brady yelled at Jaz(by text), printed out the rule, and told Jaz to make sure the ref was aware and did his job properly. If these two morons decided to concoct a scheme to make sure of it, so they wouldn’t get yelled at again and McNally could get some swag, ok. The Pats deserve a fine. Not 4 gms for Brady and a 1rst rnd pk. There is no way Brady ordered this. They wouldn’t be fighting it so hard if he did. That makes no sense.

    As what the general public thinks who cares? I know I don’t. The 49ers were sanctioned for salary cap violations numerous times. Fines and draft pks. The owner was indicted for gambling, suspended a yr and the 49ers haven’t won a SBowl since. Nobody cares. They’re still thought of as a dynasty. Cry me a river haters.

  126. People! The talk of conspiracy on one hand and insinuation of cheating on the other necessitates a real crime to have been done. When you get past the haters and the defenders there must be a crime or there is not a crime. This all rests on whether the footballs were measured accurately to be under inflated in any ball game and to be so outside of the laws of Physics, NOT the laws of haters desires. So as Vinny (Joe Pesci) said in My Cousin Vinny, ” Does the prosecutions case hold water?” Mona Lisa said “No, It Does Not!”

  127. markprzyb says:
    May 15, 2015 11:30 AM

    bhampax says:

    Re: People who think that the Pats want this to go to court? That is CRAZY. As soon as you do that, you open up the investigation again – this time with subpoenas, full access to phone and data records, potential perjury (i.e. jail time), etc. Do you really think the deflator/McNally (who just lost his job) wouldn’t roll over on Brady & everyone else to avoid jail time?

    =========================================

    What jail time? This would be a civil case. It’s a labor dispute. There are no criminal charges, there is no jail time.
    ———————————————-
    People go to jail ever day for perjury and contempt. This is exactly why any of this will never get past the league hearing to a court.

  128. Come at this thing thru the eyes of the other owners. As we know, they see dollar bills at every turn. This 4 game suspension will not be overturned because think about it….they have a bye week before the Colts game, which is on Sunday Night Football, and they can market the heck out of this game. The ratings could rival super bowl ratings!!! The other owners have to be nodding their approval.

  129. I hope Brady does sue…then the NFL can subpoena his phone records.

    Be careful what you wish for, Tom Shady.

  130. Brady will take this to court. This is about clearing his name. Why did Brady hire the big time lawyer when he knows goodell will not overturn this?

  131. Pats been cheating for years. Ask Dolphins fans about the “Snow Plow” game. Talk about creating an unfair advantage.

  132. tavisteelersfan says:
    May 15, 2015 10:14 AM
    The NFL is a franchise system, not unlike McDonald’s. Kraft owns a franchise … a really good one … but a franchise none the less. He can’t overpower the league, any more than a McDonald’s owner can’t overpower the Corporation.

    If he could the league wouldn’t be worth a plugged nickle. Every owner would go their own way and then what …who would the Pat’s play, by what rules, for what ?

    As for Goodell hearing the appeal, that is an agreement the league has with the players union, called the CBA, renegotiated just a couple of years ago. The NFLPA agreed to that process. They got nowhere to run.
    —————————————————————-

    Didn’t Jonathan Vilma manage to do this? Overpower the league that is?

  133. aquibtoleavedarrelleleaveus

    People go to jail ever day for perjury and contempt. This is exactly why any of this will never get past the league hearing to a court.

    ________________________________________

    After watching most of the Aaron Hernandez and seeing that his GF just had her perjury charges dropped, I can tell you it’s pretty damn obvious that it must be very hard to convict someone of perjury. Because she was lying in court in a case that really meant something

  134. Overturn, how about adding games. Shady deserves the Hall of Shame. He’s a disgrace to the game to have to deflate footballs for years to help him win games.

  135. You are right Pats74, but Vilma was an employee/player not a franchisee/owner.

    An employee can sue his employer for a host of infractions.

  136. If anything Goodell should increase the penalty. Brady should be suspended for the full season and the Patriots should be stripped of their tainted title. The integrity of the game demands that blatant cheating be treated harshly.

  137. jeffreyshulenburg says:
    May 15, 2015 11:31 AM
    To all of you saying “if the pats are guilty why not let a neutral party arbitrate?”

    How about if the Pats are innocent, why are they releasing a 20,000 word document published on a public website only to FIRE the very people that document was created to defend later that same day?

    Because the league, in the punishment they handed down, required the Pats to suspend McNally indefinitely and to suspend Jastremski immediately and he cannot be re-hired without league approval. In other words, the Patriots had no choice, just as they’ll have no choice but to keep Brady out for 4 games if his suspension isn’t overturned.

  138. Cant wait until they get Goodell under oath. Everypne w a brain knows Goodell says 1 thing in public, then when forced to tell the truth its an entirely different story. Heres how it will go:
    Atty: do you know who the QB of the New England Patriots is?

    Goodell: who?

    Atty: the QB of the New England Patriots?

    Goodell: well they have a few QBs. I dont know who you are referring to.

    Atty: do you know who wears #12 for the Patriots?

    Goodell: can you be more specific? I dont know all the numbers of all the players of all the teams

    Atty: What factual evidence do you have that Tom Brady told the equipment mgrs to delfate the balls below 12.5 psi?

    Goodell: well its based on science.

    Atty: which science are you referring to? The one that stated Tom Brady didnt cheat?

    Atty: no further questions

  139. dukeearl says:
    May 15, 2015 11:12 AM
    stburke40 says:
    May 15, 2015 11:00 AM
    jf203 says:
    May 15, 2015 10:57 AM
    “BRADY will not be there opening night..which he shouldnt and the Pats do not have a first round pick next year….

    END OF STORY..

    NO JUDGE is going to overturn a sports commisioners rulings”

    Goodell has been overturned every time he’s been taken to court.
    ****************************
    Key words here, RULES VIOLATION… this is not discipline for punching wife, smoking pot, etc….

    Bountygate was over rules violations and all the Saints player that went to court and sued—-won.

  140. dukeearl says:
    May 15, 2015 11:12 AM
    stburke40 says:
    May 15, 2015 11:00 AM
    jf203 says:
    May 15, 2015 10:57 AM
    “BRADY will not be there opening night..which he shouldnt and the Pats do not have a first round pick next year….

    END OF STORY..

    NO JUDGE is going to overturn a sports commisioners rulings”

    Goodell has been overturned every time he’s been taken to court.
    ****************************
    Key words here, RULES VIOLATION… this is not discipline for punching wife, smoking pot, etc….

    Bountygate was over rules violations and all the Saints players that went to court and sued—-won.

  141. Goodell will stretch this out until preseason or later.. Any NFL news is good for the dictator!

  142. I still think they’ll drop it to 2 games so Brady can play @ Dallas in week 5 i believe…

  143. steelcurtainn says: May 15, 2015 12:15 PM

    Overturn, how about adding games. Shady deserves the Hall of Shame. He’s a disgrace to the game to have to deflate footballs for years to help him win games.

    More importantly, why aren’t the Steelers even good enough to hang with Tebow in the playoffs without Dr Rydze’s, er, “help”?

    #iknowwhy

  144. Brady and his lawyers just need to take this thing to court and destroy Goodell and Wells. It was obvious from the start that Goodell is not interested in being fair, and Wells has some explaining to do about contradicting himself with regards to why he wanted to re-interview (interrogate?) McNally about the “deflator” texts. Anyone who looks at this case from an objective standpoint will be able to see that the report is filled with biased arguments based on guesses and conjecture. Goodell got what he paid for with the Wells report, and it certainly wasn’t an impartial investigation of facts.

  145. silvernblacksabbath says: May 15, 2015 12:37 PM

    I still think they’ll drop it to 2 games so Brady can play @ Dallas in week 5 i believe…

    —————-

    If Brady is asked to sit anything more than 0 games he’ll politely tell the NFL where they can stick their punishment and this will go to court.

  146. Goodell is all about the patsies there is no way that Brady & the by GOD patsies, the darlings of the NFL will get any kind of punishment I don’t know how people think Goodell is going to up hold the suspension or the fine for that matter!!! He WILL side with the patsies & that is sad!!! This will all be swept under the rug!!!

  147. I wish it was possible for Brady, Brees and a bunch of other players to sue to get Lord Goodell removed. That’s not possible, so Robert Kraft will have to do it!

  148. Is it possible the reason Goodell is going to subside over the appeal is to hide something so an independent arbitrator can’t uncover some wrong doing by the league? If you wanted nobody to know anything, wouldn’t that be the way to go? Keep it all in house?

  149. << ravc82 says:
    May 15, 2015 10:36 AM

    For all you Pats fans asking for court, careful what you wish for.

    If it goes to court Brady better pony up that phone and be prepared for Mr. Deflator to sit on the stand. This has the propensity to get much uglier.

    Go ahead- take it to court.<<<

    And you don't think Brady and his legal team know this??? Duuuh!!
    Brady's willingness to take this to court speaks to his innocence.
    ________________________________________
    Hahaha- The guy refuses to hand his phone- not even offer p r i n t outs- and then denies access to his "Inflator" buddy- and you mention innocence?? That is awesome. I hope if I ever face a jury- you my friend are on it.

  150. Goodell is not worried about the wells report being overturned.

    He is concerned about the penalty being overturned. By handling the appeal himself he can hope to reduce it without generating a lawsuit.

  151. The “Deflator” text is in May 2014, so it’s in the offseason before the football season start. So any NFL fans with normal brain function would know that it’s not about the deflation of ball games (with no games to play at the time). This is the obvious.

    Heck, even if Tom Brady actually said out loud that he deflate the ball on ESPN. Goodell and Vincent has no right to lay down punishment. You are allow to deflate the football as long as it’s within the league limit.

    There is no real evidence in the report about Brady told those 2 clowns that he want the football below the NFL limit.

    The are scientific evidences in the Ted Wells context websites by real scientist that let us know that if the ball deflate within the NFL limit, but in cold weather they’ll still be deflate below the limit due to weather condition.

    The Colts football is below the limit, too. Even if they are not below the limit, it just mean that they set ball at a higher weight and the Pats did.

  152. Ya just got to love the idiots who immediately jump to the conclusion that deflated footballs was the reason Brady won 4 Super Bowls and completely ignore the fact that every good QB in the league does the same thing.

  153. That means Brady would have to hand over the contents of his phone as well as McNally handing over his phone (only Jastremski’s phone was handed over due to it being a company issued phone, he had no choice). Its highly unlikely that McNally had a company phone due to the fact he is/was a part-time seasonal employee.
    ===
    That’s not how discovery works. Brady’s suit will state that the Wells report was a pile of pulp that didn’t prove that any deflation occurred. The NFL will say, “Nuh uh! It was solid!” Since Brady doesn’t mention his communications or any conspiracy, the NFL doesn’t have to defend against it, and thus has no grounds for discovery on Brady’s phone.

  154. The NFL’s constitution makes clear teams can’t take their grievances to court and that any attempt to do so would likely be futile. Like the other 31 NFL ownership groups, Kraft has agreed to abide by the Constitution and assented to not sue the league or other owners.
    ===
    “Futile” isn’t the same as can’t. It just means it probably won’t work.

  155. As SI said, they cannot sue on the basis of a rules judgement by the Commissioner.
    ===
    You can sue anyone, for anything, at any time, but it might be dismissed. Only a judge can make that call.

  156. seattlesue427 says:
    May 15, 2015 10:12 AM
    Delusional Patsie fans! He used the word “deflator” in reference to weight loss? Really? Are you that gullible or are you just acting outraged because you’re so embarrassed?
    =========================================
    Do you realize that ‘deflator’ term/word/nickname was used ONCE and referenced over FIFTY times by the Wells report?
    That’s one time in hundreds of texts mind you.

  157. haingoai says: May 15, 2015 3:40 PM

    The “Deflator” text is in May 2014, so it’s in the offseason before the football season start. So any NFL fans with normal brain function would know that it’s not about the deflation of ball games (with no games to play at the time). This is the obvious.
    ****
    What is so obvious about the response of that text about going to ESPN?

  158. Going to court etc? We’re talking about balls man. Balls. Not stickum. Balls. We’re sitting here talking about balls?

  159. You do ALL realize….
    We are talking about a commissioner (Roger Goodell) who viewed a video of a player (Ray Rice) pulling & draging his unconscious girlfriend from a casino elevator and punished him with a 2 game suspension. Evidence of a videotape pulling & dragging his unconscious girlfriend along the floor out of an elevator…. And is given a 2 game suspension based on that evidence.
    So based on this…
    Deflating footballs with circumstantial evidence is more agreesis than pulling and dragging your unconscious girlfriend along a casino floor out of an elevator???
    Obviously because he dished out a 4 game suspension… With less evidence (it wasn’t til he (Goodell) saw the KO punch video that he increased the suspension…
    You really think you can trust this guy (Goodell)?
    I’m just saying???

  160. McNally is going to be Brady’s best witness:
    The smoking gauge:
    Forget the logos.How can anybody forget whether the needle was bent or not? Best guess is he tested with the low reading gauge meaning that the balls were possibly higher than tested for. All McNally did was correct the error. That is they were all set to 12.5 by Tom’s gauge.This would also bring the Colt’s balls closer to the ideal gas law predictions. My guess is Walt knew and Mr. Wells is lying. Please release Anderson’s transcript. If Anderson tested with the higher measuring gauge they were all possibly lower than tested (Pat’s balls underinflated from the getgo).
    Why didn’t Wells rig a manometer and test each gauge to verify the deviation of each from the true pressure when the manometer was set at 13.00 psi? Did he really need exponent or did he need a smokescreen? Kraft’s professor should turn in his Nobel since he ignored the “damning” conclusion that the differential pressure drop of the Colts’ balls was about half that of the Pats’ balls.
    The smoking gauge in this mess is Brady’s (McNally’s gauge). They are still out there and simple manometer test will show the deviation of all three gauges from the true pressure provided by the manometer set at 13.00 psi.
    Please note, Brady did nothing but demand balls inflated at 12.5 psi (not underinflated). It was McNally’s job to do so. At no time were the balls underinflated except if Anderson messed up (using a gauge that read higher then the true pressure).

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