David Carr spoke of deflating footballs in 2006

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As the search for evidence of other allegations of cheating against the Patriots continues, the search for evidence of other allegations of cheating by other teams continues. As does the search for evidence of other admissions of cheating.

Consider this 2006 article from Judy Battista, then of the New York Times and currently of NFL Media. It focuses on quarterback preferences regarding their footballs, and it includes the following paragraph regarding the preferences of former Texans quarterback David Carr.

“Carr, like several other quarterbacks, said Denver was one of the toughest places to play,” Battista wrote. “He said he thought the ball expanded slightly at the altitude and felt slick because of the lower humidity. Before Houston’s preseason game at Denver, Carr instructed the ball boys to let a little air out of the Texans’ footballs.” (Emphasis added.)

When that statement was published in November 2006, no one said a word about the possibility that the Texans or anyone else was cheating. And if it sparked any type of consternation for the league office, those issues remained internal — resolved without any sort of brouhaha, investigation, or discipline.

Of course, the article isn’t entirely favorable to the ongoing cause of Patriots fans to prove that other teams did that which the Patriots insist they didn’t do. The article explained that former Texans quarterback Tony Banks once told Carr that Patriots quarterback Tom Brady “liked the balls so broken in that it looked as if he had been using them since junior high school.”

“I relate it to an old baseball glove,” Brady told Battista. “If you have a glove, when you get it right from the store, the leather is very stiff and very difficult to break in. The preservative on the football, when you get it off, it’s easier to get a grip. It’s having a ball that doesn’t slip out of your hands.”

Wanting the leather to be broken in is much different from deliberately deflating the footballs. Regardless, nothing in the article got anyone in trouble, perhaps because before January 18, 2015 it was a given that quarterbacks like their footballs to feel a certain way — and it also was a given that the league had no reason to keep them from being able to comfortably throw the ball.

That’s an important factor for the NFL to consider as it changes the ball-handling procedures. If the process becomes so strict that quarterbacks can’t comfortably throw the ball, does that really benefit a league that has discovered its highest levels of popularity with souped-up passing games and the kind of scoring that fuels fantasy football?

129 responses to “David Carr spoke of deflating footballs in 2006

  1. The NFL created this “scandal.” Kensil wanted to catch the Pats doing something, even if he didn’t.

  2. As the search for evidence of other allegations of cheating against the Patriots continues
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    Why? Stop it! This crap jumped the shark weeks ago

  3. Once again, teams can alter the ball any way they wish until they are turned over to officials prior to the game. Once the officials approve the balls for game use, the balls cannot be altered.

  4. Houston does it? Nobody cares. Tampa does it? Nobody cares. Carolina does it? Nobody cares. Green Bay does it? Nobody cares. Eli does it? Nobody cares.

    Uh-oh…Brady “more than likely” may have possibly known or not known that the balls could be being deflated, possibly by weather, possibly by a ball boy, possibly by the colts. It’s Brady, so, burn the house down, of course.

  5. When is the media going to call out the Colts for sparking this brouhaha?

    Here, I will say it:

    Hey Grigson, Irsay and the Colts – you knew you didn’t have a chance going into that game, so you thought you could have something handed to you by making much ado about nothing. Now the league is even more jacked as a result and you look like cowards. Next time punch a team in the mouth on the field – don’t call “mommy” and tell her you’re scared.

    Your meek silence says much about you, Pagano. You know what’s coming to town week 6 don’t you? Yeah, you know.

  6. This continues to highlight how the league simply did not care about footballs before this.

    Refs would eyeball or squeeze most of them pre-game, and that’s it. A bad ball would be taken out of play.

    The second the league determined there were no starting measurements and that the referee lost track of the game-balls, this should have ceased being a Patriots thing and become a league, procedural thing that “will be looked at and changed”.

  7. Interesting story, if the Texans moved their franchise to the north eastern portion of the U.S. and decided to change their team name to that of a group of people loyal to their country I’m almost certain this story would have been bigger.

  8. Wells Report us not the true biography of events
    We all know there is much more context that was excluded because it did not have a direct bearing on adjudication the Patriots. This includes Kensil, league handling of footballs, leaks, violations from other teams, Colts footballs, and league reaction to Colts complaint

  9. So what? Theres nothing wrong with letting a little air out of the footballs. Now if your letting too much to where it below the legal limits like the patriots did then theres a problem. So carr said nothing incriminating here move along . Theres no comparison.

  10. If this will be the new standard, “everybody did/does it”, when do the Saints get their two second round draft choices back and how do they get the year back when the NFL eviscerated the team by taking their coach away?

    ALL investigations and “evidence” pointed to the Saints having a “pay for performance” program, the same type of program that nearly every NFL team had at some point in time and one similar to the types of programs that NFL teams still had as recently as the 2014 season.

    And please, no postings of “they were out to intentionally injure players” BS. The FACTS are that the Saints during the entire “bounty” time period did not injure a SINGLE player as a result of an illegal hit, not one, and the Saints had the lowest rate of opponents “injuries” of any team in the NFL.

    The Patriots were skating on thin ice following the Spygate fiasco, they were on notice from the NFL to cut out any shady activities. Apparently they did not head the warning. If Brady sues the NFL, his communications will be discoverable as part of the legal proceedings, if there is a SINGLE instance of Brady telling the equipment guys or anybody in the coaching staff to, in effect, “get their ducks in a row” the NFL should increase the team penalties and suspend the head coach for a “lack of institutional control” because ignorance is no excuse.

  11. All of these arguments are simply a weak attempt to deflect attention from the real cheaters, Brady and the Patriots organization. Their attempts to put pressure on Goodell and the league office will ultimately fall flat. The alleged claims against other teams are overblown, and are completely filled with hot air. After all of the media pundits and NFLPA attorneys have finished their long-winded speeches, all league and legal avenues will be exhausted, Brady will still wind up expelled from the league for at least four games.

  12. But, did Carr say he liked that air let out after the balls were inspected or before? Nothing wrong with bringing a ball down to 12.5 psi before inspection…

  13. If one of Brady’s sons grow up to be an NFL QB, the league will probably punish him too

  14. Here’s the difference;

    Carr was trying to practice for conditions he’d see on Sunday in Denver.

    Brady was trying to gain an advantage regardless of location.

    For Carr it’s no different than dunking the balls in water because the forecast says rain before practice, and for Brady it’s no different than an offensive lineman taking hgh to enhance his performance.

  15. And please, no postings of “they were out to intentionally injure players” BS. The FACTS are that the Saints during the entire “bounty” time period did not injure a SINGLE player as a result of an illegal hit, not one, and the Saints had the lowest rate of opponents “injuries” of any team in the NFL.

    Do you remember the pictures of Brett Favre on the ground in pain and the resulting nasty bruises where 50% of his legs were purple? Those were from the illegal hits and yes there were multiple. Take off your gold and black glasses and open your eyes. The dirty ankle shots, the shots after he had thrown the ball and should have been afforded protection in the pocket. Plays where he handed off the ball (especially the one to percy harvin on an end around) but the DE still crushed him seconds after he handed it off.

  16. Letting a little air out of the football, and being within the confines of the rules are two different things.

    You can let air out and still be legal if you know what you are doing and not just jabbing a needle into them quickly in a bathroom next to the field.

  17. Do lies and attempted cover up not matter anymore? And even if a rule is silly it’s still a rule.

    Do the police and/or judge let you out of a speeding ticket because “everyone does it”?

  18. Your missing the point. You can present the balls with the air out – Brady was altering balls AFTER the officials checked them,

    Specifically NOT the case with Carr

  19. Any of you can make an argument that this is selective enforcement of the rules. I could understand that. Of course, saying that Tom Brady should not be punished because other quarterbacks weren’t punished is like telling the cop that he shouldn’t give you a speeding ticket because others were speeding and he didn’t catch them. However, for those of you who keep quoting the “more probable than not” line, shut up until to learn what it means. It is a legal term that has the same weight as a “preponderance of the evidence” in a civil case. It’s not the same as “probably.”

  20. hakunamangata says:
    May 17, 2015 12:01 AM

    Here’s the difference;

    Carr was trying to practice for conditions he’d see on Sunday in Denver.

    Brady was trying to gain an advantage regardless of location.

    For Carr it’s no different than dunking the balls in water because the forecast says rain before practice, and for Brady it’s no different than an offensive lineman taking hgh to enhance his performance.
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    Carr instructed the ball boys to let a little air out of the Texans’ footballs.” (Emphasis added.)

    This is why the Patriots cannot get a fair shake from the clown show fans around the league. They don’t have the slightest ability to comprehend what they are reading.

  21. Notice that all the flame-throwing has stopped from the Brady camp since they put a muzzle on Don Yee. I guess he thought he would scare people with his rhetoric. Well, he di scare people. He scared his client enough to get canned.

    As Brady’s agent, he hasn’t had to work for a living. Anybody could represent a top QB like Brady. Automatically, you’re not gonna have to put up with typical negotiation haggling. His scorched earth tactics have made it very hard for Brady’s new lead attorney & the NFLPA to appear reasonable.

    Now every Brady & Pats move just looks desperate. Don Yee is, well … done. We’ve heard the last of him. In sports parlance, he’s been BENCHED.

    So now, it’s been established that manipulating equipment is not new. The issue here is that game ball specifications are in the rulebook and somebody tampered with the balls after the refs OK’d them for play. Every player may try to get a competitive advantage, but when it bucks against the rulebook, don’t get caught.

    I predict Kessler will try to settle this matter ASAP as quietly as possible, effectively throwing “himself on the mercy of the court”. They will attempt to negotiate reduced penalty because as it stands, The NFL has all the cards.

  22. shovelhunter says:
    May 16, 2015 11:45 PM
    So what? Theres nothing wrong with letting a little air out of the footballs. Now if your letting too much to where it below the legal limits like the patriots did then theres a problem. So carr said nothing incriminating here move along . Theres no comparison.
    ***********************
    this board and the Pats haters are a collection of idiots that are so jealous, they cant think straight.

    One, there is no concrete evidence agst the Pats.

    Two, you have no idea when Carr said that – if it was after the ref inspection, it is very comparable . . . and a smoking gun, unlike teh case agst Brady

  23. If brady is innocent he should had turned over his messages and emails and all this could have been avoided. So all the pats fans who belive their team don’t cheat and in bigfoot it could have all been avoided if your cheating qb didn’t cheat. It’s real easy to uderstand.

  24. What a straw grasp. Pathetic. New englanders are disgustingi will never go there ew

  25. hakunamangata says:”Carr was trying to practice for conditions he’d see on Sunday in Denver.”

    The Times article was all about the new rule that allowed visiting teams to provide their own game balls. Nothing to do with practice.

    Besides that, the article said that Carr was concerned that the footballs would expand *in Denver* due to the higher altitude. If he wanted to simulate those conditions while practicing in Houston (at lower altitude), he would add air to the ball, not remove it.

  26. DEAR: N.F.L.

    I do not ask for much. I ask for the opportunity to come home from my 12 hour shift, and follow the draft progression, free agent signings, and team progressions within my favorite teams division with passion.

    I am a commissioned salesperson. I am losing my hair, I have a wife that I love, but a wife who nags, and I work 12 hours a day paying for an education for our daughter. My own simple reward, to myself, at the end of the day, is following P.F.T. the N.F.L news, signing’s and free agent moves.

    I have a request from all us simple fans of the game….

    Excuse me Tom Brady. Excuse me Roger, and excuse me to the head legal eagle for the N.F.L

    Excuse me Mr. Kraft, the patriots attorney’s and legal council. Excuse me for being somewhat harsh to “The Patriots, Mr. Brady’s attorneys and legal council.”

    I am not asking for much from all of you.

    The only thing I am asking for, is the opportunity to log on my lap top at night, and read about the up coming season. FOOTBALL I do not want to have to scroll through the bad cheating stories to get to the football stories.

    Here is an idea for the good of the game from this point forward…..

    Tom. “Shut up, call off legal council and take the suspension.”

    Patriots. “Shut up, call off legal council and take the suspension.”

    Roger. Call a press conference and state the issue and challenge is over. It is finished, and complete.

  27. Guys, guys. Relax. If the NFL hired me in 2006, I would have found a way to make sure Carr paid for all his sins against the game of football.

    But, since they didn’t, I’ll have to retroactively take away the Texans first round draft pick in 2007, fourth rounder in 2008, and suspend Mr. Carr indefinitely.

  28. “If the process becomes so strict that quarterbacks can’t comfortably throw the ball”

    Mike, I agree the ball handling must change. The process doesn’t have to be uncomfortable. Just a strict check and balance for all teams in the league.Just be fair, no advantage.

  29. I really didn’t know there were so many “Challenged” ( for lack of a more offensive word so not to offend you too badly), fans
    From other franchises that followed the Patriots…
    Well I guess when their teams stink there’s nothing else better to do…

    Just a heads up….
    Try holding your own owners/coaches/players accountable for your short comings….it’s NOT the Patriots fault your organizations make so many bad decisions, really, it’s not….
    But I do understand that it’s easier to point the finger at someone else & blame them for your lot in life… After all if you didn’t do that you’d have to hold yourself accountable & we all know that’s just not acceptable in today’s culture…it HAS to to somebody else’s fault it just HAS to!!!
    & You know if I keep telling yourself that long enough, you’ll even begin to believe it or at least somewhat convince yourself enough so you can feel better…. If it wasn’t so sad it would be almost comical….almost
    But alas, your team will still stink & the Patriots will still keep winning & you’ll still keep pointing that finger & nothing will get better for you & somehow, someway it will still be the Patriots fault & it will help you sleep better knowing you got someone else to blame….
    However, deep down in places you don’t like to look you’ll know the truth & yes the Patriots will still dash your hopes & those dreams will be nightmares & you’ll still have the Patriots to blame so it’s all good..
    Are you starting to see the cycle??
    Wash, rinse, repeat…

  30. I’m assuming that when the Manning and Brady requested that they can alter the ball that they meant that the leather is broken to grip. I’m assuming they didn’t get approval of under inflated or over inflated footballs below or over the legal PSI. I’m also assuming that they NFL didn’t allow quarterback to steal the balls and alter them in the bathroom after approval.

    I believe all players of all teams should be suspended that went beyond what the NFL approved in 2006. They know what took place that day. These punishments include my own team.

    If my team did anything wrong then I would want my owner and GM to stand up and take the blame. Apologize and say that they would cooperate with the NFL like the Falcons and Browns just did, but not like the Pats just did trying to make a mocker y of league. The owner or GM should suspend or release the player accordingly. I don’t care. I don’t whine. I don’t point fingers at others. I hold myself accountable. I stopped watching MLB because Selig allowed the players to cheat for 25 years before they put in a drug testing. That’s how much cheating bothers me. I want out of sports. The Pats are habitual cheaters which is why they need to be sold. Kraft is incumbent to fire the cheaters or replace them. That’s unacceptable for an owner.

  31. The fact that the Times article doesn’t bother to clarify whether Carr’s instructions to the ball boys came before or after the referee’s inspection of the game balls would seem to be indicative of just how little anyone cared about ball pressure at the time.

  32. This has gotten so ridiculous that next they will be interviewing all of Johnny Unitas’ family and close associates to find out how he liked his footballs and what his pregame rituals were.

  33. Anyone else notice that it was “before a PRESEASON game at Denver”? Who cares what David Carr did?

  34. It was only a matter of time until the Patriot fans flooded this thread with their whining. Well, your cheater tears are far tastier than hater tears, because they’re filled with justice.

    #ilearnednottocheatinkindergarten

    #justtakeresponsibility

  35. thefatlazygamer says:
    May 16, 2015 11:56 PM

    No one cared because that was when football was still football
    _____

    Says the fan of the team with the QB who helped usher in the Pansy Age of the NFL. That’s rich, LMAO!!!

    #pinkjersies

    #bradyrule

  36. But… But…. But…. It’s the Patriots!!!
    …..the flock of gulls will all be swooping down to gobble up this scrap
    I’ve never really known how bad anything Patriots related can OWN so many…. It’s AWESOME!!!
    The Patriots OWN YOU…THEY OWWWWWWN YOU!!! LOL!!!
    It’s good to be king…Trust me it… IT IS!!!

  37. Using past examples and history should not dictate how a situation is currently being handled. While the league may have let certain things slide before, perhaps now their focus on integrity is much higher. Then again, if fans of a certain team want the NFL to use similar instances from a decade ago as a precedent for punishment (or lack thereof) then I’d assume they also believe the new punishments for DV related incidents are excessive since a decade ago players never missed a beat for DV incidents? Same for DUI’s? Or maybe illegal substances? Watch the double standard.

  38. What I take from this is that Eli Manning is a hypocrite p rick.
    Nowhere has Brady said he wants footballs below the minimum 12.5 psi but has on occasion spoken of breaking the balls in to get the best grip. Same as Eli or any other qb.
    The league and NFL is a pathetic joke with selective outrage and the bumbling, fanboy league employees that go after the nemesis of their favorite team.

    Maybe New York should answer why were the Patriots footballs overinflated against NE last season, prompting Brady to go off on the equipment guys to make sure that doesn’t happen again?
    This deflategate thing started from NY, not surprisingly.

  39. marima07 says:
    May 16, 2015 11:42 PM
    This continues to highlight how the league simply did not care about footballs before this.

    Refs would eyeball or squeeze most of them pre-game, and that’s it. A bad ball would be taken out of play.

    The second the league determined there were no starting measurements and that the referee lost track of the game-balls, this should have ceased being a Patriots thing and become a league, procedural thing that “will be looked at and changed”.

    ========================

    Stop making sense. That is not allowed!!!!

  40. All you you fine folks who are posting here about how Brady told his equipment guys to let air out of the balls after they were inspected, please do us the favor of posting the contents of that text exchange in this forum. It shouldn’t matter that Brady did not hand over his phone. If the exchange exists, it would be on the equipment guys phones as well.

    But you can’t. Because it doesn’t exist. No such text is listed in Ted Well’s 200+ page report.

    If it did exist, none of us would have ever heard the phrase “more probable than not” and Brady’s suspension would have been a lot longer.

  41. Broken in like a bunch of old Footballs in H.S. Same thing about a Baseball. Harder to make a Ball move throwing a new baseball. take a older one that been used a few times and you can make it break run drop a lot more than a new ball. If there wasn’t a rule put in place about the Footballs then it wouldn’t matter, But there is a rule and Tom Broke that rule and if Tom and the Pats keep fighting this through the Courts. Tom wont be able to play until they come to a decision in the courts and could be place on the you get paid but cant play list. Results for all these courts hearings could cost Tom a lot more than 4 games. Cost Peterson 15 games for a 2 game suspension. The NFL will appeal any decision that favors Tom and then it goes back to the courts and Tom still wont be playing, But will get paid. The NFL is set up for guilty until proven innocent.

  42. Some ignorant Pats fan said Carr never won a super bowl. He won one holding a clipboard behind Eli for the Giants. I know alot of you Patriot fans are new to the bandwagon, but come on!

  43. All that matters is whether they messed with the balls after they were approved by the refs. That’s it. There’s not a shred of proof indicating they did. If the balls in the Jets game were like rugby balls, why not just have The Deflator go to town on them during the game?

  44. Doesn’t it sometimes feel a coincidence, when there’s nothing much going on in the NFL, and with the league wanting to keep people from drifting away during these times, that they massively overblow stories and keep themselves in the headlines

  45. Once again, no need to add or consider whether the balls psi was altered before or after the Ref inspection…

    I want to know if there is any more tape from other games on the Pats ball boys taking game balls into places they shouldn’t…

  46. The NFL should replace the regulation ball with the frisbee. No air to check, easier to grip, and can be flung deep for fly patterns.

  47. riderspantherssk says:
    May 16, 2015 11:54 PM

    But, did Carr say he liked that air let out after the balls were inspected or before? Nothing wrong with bringing a ball down to 12.5 psi before inspection…

    ——————–

    Exactly. Now show me where Brady tells his ball boys to lower the PSI under 12.5 after they have been approved by the refs.

  48. sfsaintsfan says: May 16, 2015 11:46 PM
    The Patriots were skating on thin ice following the Spygate fiasco, they were on notice from the NFL to cut out any shady activities. Apparently they did not head the warning. If Brady sues the NFL, his communications will be discoverable as part of the legal proceedings, if there is a SINGLE instance of Brady telling the equipment guys or anybody in the coaching staff to, in effect, “get their ducks in a row” the NFL should increase the team penalties and suspend the head coach for a “lack of institutional control” because ignorance is no excuse.
    . . . . . . . .

    So basically its screw the Pats because the Saints were railroaded?
    The Patriots have had to deal with the ramifications of Spygate everyday since 2007. Bountygate is barely a blip on the radar screen now. No one cares about Bountygate. The three amigos Kensil, Garadi and Vincent have irreparable harmed Tom Brady and the Patriots with this little act. There is so much incompetence in the League front office one has to ask “what in the sam hill is happening there?”. WHEN this goes to court, and it is not an IF, the NFL front office is going to get exposed. But it is already too late, for they have damaged the reputation of Brady beyond repair.
    Based on the discovery motions people keep spouting off about, it might come as a surprise that Discovery works both ways. You think Brady has something to hide? Possible but doubtful. The NFL already had the texts sent to him and those he sent to others. What will be good to find out is if this was a sting – who planned it and what was said about it. That alone could prove malice and allow Brady to move forward with a defamation suit against the league.

  49. Tom Brady was pulled over for speeding by the SWAT Team with automatic rifles drawn.

  50. I am interested in hearing more about the allegation that the colts equipment manager was caught by the jaguars a few years ago with football pins up his long sleeves. It’s interesting that that ball boy was so observant that he knew air had been taken out almost as if he had done it himself in the past.

  51. marima07 says:
    May 16, 2015 11:42 PM
    This continues to highlight how the league simply did not care about footballs before this.

    Refs would eyeball or squeeze most of them pre-game, and that’s it. A bad ball would be taken out of play.

    The second the league determined there were no starting measurements and that the referee lost track of the game-balls, this should have ceased being a Patriots thing and become a league, procedural thing that “will be looked at and changed”.
    ———————————————————————-

    ^this.

    Every single word of this.

  52. Why do Patri*t fans continue to point their fingers at what other teams did or didn’t do?

    This is not about anyone else, it’s about the Patri*ts cheating again. Period.

    Patri*t fans are worried about their team forever being associated with cheating and they should be.

    Here’s a thought… Stop cheating already.

    It’s not quantum physics.

  53. Oh my my. What a terrible web Indy has woven. How long was Peyton in Indianapolis? Now, Denver? Maybe every hater needs to whip out there bag of asterisks, spiced with hate and ignorance, and pass them around their own back yard. Oh, it’s only D. Carr, rebuttal, doesn’t cut it. Elway? By the way; what was that little slugs role in all this, the one that ran the football to the sidelines like an innocent, naive, unwary, super-scout?. I’m sure no one will dissect Indianapolis’s role in all this, they’re afraid of what might be found.

  54. For the people just wanting to go away. Talk to your NFL and Commissioner. This was stupid at 1/2 time of the AFC game.

    For the people that think we have been skating on thin ice because of Spygate (A Parking ticket). Various other teams should have fallen through the ice. I expect 2 first round and 2nd round picks if the Falcons, Saints, Browns, Chargers, Redskins, Cowboys, Broncos and various other teams that have been found guilty of far worse crimes that go against the integrity of the league.

    For the People asking about Tom Brady’s Phone: You also wouldn’t turn over your phone if you had a prosecutor grilling you for 5 hours trying to prove your guilty of something you didn’t do. Give me everything on your phone relevant to this case so I can prove your guilty.

    For the people asking why would Brady lie about knowing the patriots equipment staff. Brady called him Burt. The nick name the team knows him by is Bird. Teddy on NFL Network didn’t even know him by his real name. He called him Bird the entire time he played for the Patriots.

    The Wells report was a report by a lawyer playing prosecution, judge and jury for his client. Its why at the end of it there is a conclusion of it there is more probably then not. Lawyer talk for I have nothing against them but to make my client happy its more probable then not.

  55. Hmmmm… Last time I checked, 15 psi was still 15 psi, whether you are at 1 foot above sea level, or 50,000 feet above sea level… Now, a ball pumped to 15 psi at 1 foot, then brought to 50,000 ft will measure much differently… But a ball pumped to 15 psi at one specific location should feel no different from a ball pumped to 15 psi at a different location, correct??? P=F/A… A being area, not altitude…

  56. It’s all too late, evidence of ball altering in some form will pour in for years. The Patriots and Tom Brady’s legacies are permanently harmed and the stain will never go away:
    – Spygate: the filming was legal, just should not have been done from the sideline
    – Deflategate: much ado about pretty much nothing

    The haters and morons win. It’s a “systematic” way of cheating.

    Denverdude7- nice post, care to talk about your boy Elway taking millions in deferred money so that Denver could get around that pesky salary cap in the 90s? Nah, didn’t think you would.

  57. I want to ask a question of anyone who cares to think on it. – What if the NFL had handled this “issue” as follows? It is offseason. They could easily have metw ith all team owners between now and August, and laid down the law about the handling of PSI, with a stern declaration that all footballs would be inspected at halftime and at games’ end. (i.e. “At the sign of any documented variance beyond reasonable explanation, the offending organization will be fined and be subjected to possible suspensions and loss of Draft Picks.”

    Now, instead of a targeted ‘witch hunt’ involving the most successful team and most popular future HOF QB, whose reputations have been sullied, you have all team operating from a new standard. After that declaration, anyone caught tampering would have no reason to cry foul or say they were singled out. Wouldn’t this have been the most fair, intelligent and honorable way to address this newly emphasized concern about PSI?

  58. mightbegoingtohellforthis says:
    May 16, 2015 11:55 PM

    Did David Carr tell the ball boy to remove air from the footballs AFTER they were inspected by the officials? I doubt it.

    —————————

    Did Brady? If you say yes, then you know something that no one else does. Nowhere in the Wells report is there testimony from anyone that says Brady ordered anything AFTER the ref inspection, and of course no one believes Brady did the deed himself. So what’s your point? I’ll tell you what your point is. You’re a hypocrite. You doubt Carr ordered it after inspection, but you think–sorry, know–Brady did even though there is no testimony corroborating your belief.

  59. Stop the endless nonsense and talk for the good of the shield. Let a fair and impartial arbitrator review the case. That person can be found in a time tested conflict resolution format: both sides pick an arbitrator and the arbitrators pick an independent arbitrator to hear the case.

    Goodell’s unwillingness to do this is evidence of a sham investigation and a draconian discipline that can’t sand the test of review.

    Fans that vote down such a proposal just want a witchhunt.

  60. If there were any intelligence, the rule would state that the balls need to weigh between x and y. The weight isn’t influenced by a hot or cold day. Pressure certainly does, and had made this non-story ridiculous. A ball is going to lose pressure in the cold and gain in the heat, pretty simple.

  61. Why is no one talking about the footballs with 16.0 psi in the Patriots – Jets game that the Wells Report found evidence? Did the league try to help level the playing field for the Jets?

    We know the league intentionally put Colts balls into the second half of the Patriots Colts game that they knew or should have know were below the 12.5 psi minimum. Why aren’t people asking if the NFL was trying to help level the playing field for the Colts?

    You might say that’s crazy but they are both more logical questions than what the Patriots are being charged with doing.

  62. qdog112 says:
    May 17, 2015 12:22 AM

    Notice that all the flame-throwing has stopped from the Brady camp since they put a muzzle on Don Yee. I guess he thought he would scare people with his rhetoric. Well, he di scare people. He scared his client enough to get canned.

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    Actually, what Don Yee did was brilliant–intentional or not. From all accounts Ted Wells is a mild mannered, stoic type figure who doesn’t react to criticism. However, Yee’s comments coerced Wells to speak publicly on multiple occasions. And each time he has, he has made some pretty interesting comments that poke holes in his own report that Kessler will use going forward.

  63. This is far from a deflating, cheating admission. If the ball felt over-inflated in Denver and Carr told the ball boys to let air out, as long as the balls were within the league’s approved air pressure range, then there is nothing more to discuss. People seem to forget you can deflate footballs to suit your grip preferences and still be within the rules of the game.

  64. Agreed, Wells has made a number of admissions in his post report defense that call in question his findings and his case.

  65. niles6590 says:
    May 17, 2015 8:36 AM
    This is far from a deflating, cheating admission. If the ball felt over-inflated in Denver and Carr told the ball boys to let air out, as long as the balls were within the league’s approved air pressure range, then there is nothing more to discuss. People seem to forget you can deflate footballs to suit your grip preferences and still be within the rules of the game.
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    Kind of the same argument Brady has had since this started? But since we are talking about the “integrity of the game” we should spend 4 million dollar to prove somewhere between “within a shadow of doubt” and”more probable then not” that he is guilty. We will also need all electronic communication that might pertain to this investigation. If Carr doesn’t turn it over then he is guilty in the NFL court and the court of media\football fan opinion.

  66. shovelhunter says:
    May 17, 2015 12:55 AM
    What a straw grasp. Pathetic. New englanders are disgustingi will never go there ew

    Is that a threat or a promise? Hopefully the latter. If you did come here you should know we don’t suffer fools gladly. Please stay away.

  67. bountiesrus says:May 17, 2015 12:20 AM

    Why would Brady lie about knowing the patriots equipment staff? Any reasonable explanation a pats fan can give ??
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    It was Mcnally he said he didn’t know. How is that possible?
    Well Mcnally was known as bird. (his nickname around he team). It is highly possible Brady never knew his given name. How may people work in a company with hundreds of employees many with nicknames. Do you know all their given names? I work in construction and have worked with painters and other carpenters for years. And honestly if someone asked me if I know “so an so” I also would say no, unless they asked using his nickname.

  68. Re the comments on how Brady didn’t know who the ball guys are and how everyone thinks that’s unbelievable…

    1. He only claimed to not know McNally.
    2. McNally worked home games only as the ref locker room attendant
    3. Brady saw this guy in passing on 8 extremely stressful Sundays per year and there is not a single witness that ever saw them speak to each other.
    4. McNallys nickname is Bird and Brady thought his name was Burt. So, he called himBurt and didn’t know his full name.

  69. Let’s pass blame and point to others. Any reasonable doubt won’t make public opinion change – guilty of cheating and tainted legacy. Sorry pats fans…it’s not your fault your team cheats.

  70. Let me get this straight …… Brady told Banks, who told Carr, who told Batista?

    Right …… straight from the horses mouth, gotchya!

    And not once did Brady allegedly say a thing about the balls inflation 😉

  71. The league does NOT have it in for the Patriots. Do you really think Roger would risk his multimillion dollar job just to execute some vendetta on behalf of the Jets? And if you REALLY believe the league is THAT biased and unfair, why do you watch? You have the Celtics, Bruins and Sox, watch them instead. Seriously, you guys are making seaduck fans look classy, and I didn’t think that was possible.

    #patriotparanoia

    #JUSTSTOPCHEATING

  72. Finally, some common sense! The league’s REAL problem is the awful effect these new “dont touch the receiver” penalties are KILLING the flow and FAN ENJOYMENT of the game – all trying to ADD TO THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE PASS/CATCH PLAYS…

    **If the NFL dared to take a REAL VALUE poll of NFL fans… Poll em if theyd rather see a game that allowed QB/WR’s to use whatever gloves, stickum, over-inflated OR deflated balls — BUT the DB’s can be “physical” covering them WITH NO PENALTIES!!<=*If THIS was a new rule option – over NINETY PERCENT OF NFL FANS WOULD PREFER to "LET THEM PLAY" WITHOUT ALL THE TICKY-TACH PASS-INTERFERENCE CALLS THAT ARE RUINING THE GAME!!

    If letting QB/WR's use the balls & whatever catch-aids they prefer – Will let the refs permit DBs to play them 'hard' WITHOUT PENALTIES — now THAT would "inflate" the FANS VALUE for the PRODUCT!

    #NFL<=Needless Failed Legislation!

  73. Kensil had the balls overinflated at the Jets game knowing it would cause Brady to tell the equipment staff to lower the psi. There is your conspiracy theory. Would love to see Kensils communications. Everything about this guy is fishy.

  74. With Carr admitting he told the ball boys to deflate the footballs and the NFL turning a blind eye, it was an invitation to all QB’s to do the same.

    If everyone is driving 80 mph, it is wrong to pull someone over for driving 75 mph. Either enforce the rules for everyone, (and give them notice that you will do so), or just shut the heck up.

    Trying to entrap or punish a single team is egregious misuse of authority.

  75. Did Carr say he had someone sneak the balls out of the officials locker room after they were inspected?? No.

  76. Can people just shut up already. Patriots are innocent till proving guilty and honestly this whole thing is getting stupid and ridcoulus and it is getting more ridiculous by the minute with everyone and the media making this bigger than it honestly has to be like it’s murder or something worse.

  77. vozki says:
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    Kind of the same argument Brady has had since this started? But since we are talking about the “integrity of the game” we should spend 4 million dollar to prove somewhere between “within a shadow of doubt” and”more probable then not” that he is guilty. We will also need all electronic communication that might pertain to this investigation. If Carr doesn’t turn it over then he is guilty in the NFL court and the court of media\football fan opinion.

    The problem with that argument is the league has no hard evidence to begin the investigation, unlike the Patriots case where a ball was tested and found to be below the minimum air pressure limit. Without that hard evidence in Carr’s case, they can’t say the ball was too flat and the league has nothing with which to base their investigation.

  78. Here is the bottom line. Tom Brady needs to turn over his phone to prove his innocence or guilt. It’s that simple.

    I don’t care who’s done it in the past. If they did then someone should have said something then. If they didn’t shame on them.

    The one FACT I do know is every single QB former or current has said the QB knows exactly what’s going on with the footballs. So the fact these footballs were measured prior to the game within compliance then by half time they were so underinflated with evidence of the equipment person taking them out of sight leads to the overwhelming evidence they were tampered with after the measurement and the QB should know about it. Add in the texts and 6 phone calls which leads to the preponderance of evidence that resulted in a 4 game suspension. All he has to do now is prove by the preponderance of evidence he’s innocent. He can do that by turning over his phone.

  79. Yep, Davis Carr decreased air pressure to an unknown psi level before a PREseason game and now NFL record books are forever tainted. (rolleyes)

  80. dunstonjones14 says:
    May 17, 2015 9:51 AM

    Can people just shut up already. Patriots are innocent till proving guilty and honestly this whole thing is getting stupid and ridcoulus and it is getting more ridiculous by the minute with everyone and the media making this bigger than it honestly has to be like it’s murder or something worse.
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    I can agree with this statement. Again, if he’s innocent all he has to do is comply with the full investigation and turn over his phone.

  81. truckinmack says:
    May 17, 2015 9:20 AM

    With Carr admitting he told the ball boys to deflate the footballs and the NFL turning a blind eye, it was an invitation to all QB’s to do the same.

    If everyone is driving 80 mph, it is wrong to pull someone over for driving 75 mph. Either enforce the rules for everyone, (and give them notice that you will do so), or just shut the heck up.

    Trying to entrap or punish a single team is egregious misuse of authority.
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    I agree with most of your post but disagree with the last statement. The “authority” were not the ones that turned them in. Another NFL franchise did and the “authority” had no choice but to investigate it. I’m no Goodell apologist but you cannot blame him for having it investigated. I do blame him for being involved in the final say so but not for entrapment as you put it.

    You’re right in that the rules should be the same for everyone and hopefully they come up with a new policy that avoids these situations in the future. But unfortunately for Brady and the Patriots, their history comes into play and they were the ones that were turned in and investigated. And, from what it seems from the evidence given, they were guilty. If innocent all Brady has to do is turn in his phone.

  82. bencoates57 says:
    May 16, 2015 11:39 PM

    Football fans = religious zealots. Ever try reasoning with one of THEM?
    vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

    how true. the sanctimeter is off the scale with this story, in large part due to religious hypocrisy

  83. Did Carr say he had someone sneak the balls out of the officials locker room after they were inspected?? No.

    ***************************************************

    Did Tom Brady? No. So what’s your point, if you have one.

  84. Key issue for the NFL: Carr’s footballs were not tested during a game. Therefore making this a possible item and not a proven item that they actually were used that way.

  85. When you cheat and lose … Nobody cares.
    When to cheat and win …. Every one cares.

  86. I think the rules need to change to allow more flexibility to “condition” the football. If that means changing the minimum PSI, so be it.

    On the other hand, Brady should still get punished for lack of cooperation. Maybe only 2 games on an appeal and the Pats only lose a 4th round pick.

    This is just not that big of a deal.

  87. dvb79 s–you are wrong. Carr won a Super Bowl with the Giants after that.

  88. If brady is innocent he should had turned over his messages and emails and all this could have been avoided. So all the pats fans who belive their team don’t cheat and in bigfoot it could have all been avoided if your cheating qb didn’t cheat. It’s real easy to uderstand.

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    First, you would have to be a complete idiot to turn your phone over to the NFL. Are they in any way a legal entity with the power to subpoena phone records? Hell no. Brady has the right to protect his privacy and the privacy of his wife who is also a celebrity.

    Second, people keep talking about Brady’s phone records being subpoenaed in court. That may be true, but also consider Goodell. Goodell doesn’t want this to go to court because they will subpoena HIS phone records as well. How embarrassing would it be for the commissioner of the NFL to reveal potential incrminiating text messages between himself, Wells, and Kensil. If there was any wrong doing ( and there looks like there was) then everyone even tangentially involved will be summarily fired.

    Third, as a Patriots fan, watching Brady and the Patriots organization not only win their 4th Super Bowl, but ,simultaneously take down the top league officials is about as good as it gets. No matter what the outcome, Goodell is pretty much finished, at the very least he’ll be fired within the next 2 years. You can also say goodbye to Kensil and Wells will never work for the NFL again. All in all not a bad days work for the Pats.

  89. Goodell is doing a fine job. Pretty much allows the players to get away with everything. Does he have any wins to speak of?

    All NFL fans should like the fact that he’s ineffective. It means football players determine who is best on the field without Goodell taking them off the field.

    Jealous NFL fans are the ones banging the drums for a suspension over an unproven ridiculous report.

    They know they can’t compete with the best coach QB combo ever.

    The Lombardi’s are safe!!!!

  90. There’s no evidence Carr did anything against the rules.

    Coincidentally, there’s no evidence Brady did anything against the rules either

  91. rjpats says:
    May 17, 2015 3:59 PM

    There’s no evidence Carr did anything against the rules.

    Coincidentally, there’s no evidence Brady did anything against the rules either
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    Ummmm, yes there is

  92. mikey3213 says:

    First, you would have to be a complete idiot to turn your phone over to the NFL.
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    Actually if he’s innocent he would have to be an absolute idiot not to turn over his phone to the NFL. What makes him any higher in status than the league executives that ALL turned over their phones during the Ray Rice investigation?

  93. dunstonjones14 says:
    May 17, 2015 9:51 AM

    Can people just shut up already. Patriots are innocent till proving guilty and honestly this whole thing is getting stupid and ridcoulus and it is getting more ridiculous by the minute with everyone and the media making this bigger than it honestly has to be like it’s murder or something worse.
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    You’re right. They are innocent till proven guilty. But unless I’m missing something the overwhelming or preponderance of the evidence says they ARE guilty.

  94. “Anyone else notice that it was “before a PRESEASON game at Denver”? Who cares what David Carr did?”

    Since we all know that if this was the Pats that had done so in a preseason game anywhere the Pats haters would still insist they lose additional pics and Brady be sat another 4 game in addition to what he already has.

    That’s called a double standard by the way.

  95. Because he didn’t play for the Patriots they didn’t care. Obviously they targeted the Patriots because there is group in the league office that just doesn’t like them. How else do you explain them just letting McNally walk out past the league personnel without boo being said and then they drop the boom. If that isn’t a sting then tell me what is. I still find it difficult to believe a 48 year old fat guy could do all this in a minute and a half. But then again the haters care little about logic, common sense and facts.

  96. Google “Jeff Blake deflating footballs”. Ball tampering is common around the league. It’s not a big deal. Fine, suspend Brady for a game for not cooperating. But the hyperbole from the “but HE WAS CHEATING!!!!!!!11!!!!” crowd has become absurd.

  97. But Brady CAN confidently through the ball if it’s properly inflated! Witness the second half of the AFC championship, when he played with legit balls. No problem, right?

  98. “Google “Jeff Blake deflating footballs””

    You’re right, this now makes at least three former NFL QBs who have admitted to doctoring footballs, Blake, Carr and Brad Johnson.

  99. What is next – another Ted Wells report claiming that it is more likely than not that Tom Brady and Robert Kraft might have generally been involved with David Carr’s doctoring of footballs? I bet that Goodell suspends the entire team and forces Pat Patriot to play with the Minutemen for the season.

    I know that Chris Mortonson, number 1 NFL shill, is going to report this any minute on the Shill Report.

  100. Can you believe that fat hot Andy Reid jumped on the Brady Pig pile today? The only good thing about deflate gate is that the frauds in the NFL are revealing themselves to the first person with a pen and paper they see.

  101. If Brady and/ or Kraft’s legal eagles do their job really well they will expose Goodell as a piece of garbage as a CEO – who should only be the marketing head, Ted Wells as one of the biggest dirtbags in the history of the law profession – who is exactly like the unscrupulous doctor who is only hired by crooked lawyers because he will lie on the stand and fabricate fake science, and mike kensil as the sonofabitch scumbag who orchestrated/ manufactured this entire FARCE and sting operation (because of his seething hatred (jealousy) of Bill Belichick and anything Patriots), along with a few filthy pigs like Grigson, and perhaps the husband and wife team who leaked stories to make this thing fly “right”. This is one of the most obvious set-up jobs in the history of the planet, but the majority of the population is effing retarded. How else would a professional rabble rouser, selling division in the streets with the politics of envy, who had never accomplished a damned thing in his mysterious (secret) life, and who dislikes our nation, the majority of the people, our founders and our system as a constitutional republic/ and capitalism… be elected to be its ‘king’ twice.

  102. If Tebow were suspended for cheating, he would be different from Brady, he would just accept his suspension.
    Then again, he would not have cheated in the first place.
    Tom Shady is such a distraction.

  103. why not just allow the qb’s to apply a little old school “stick-em” to their hands and get it over with??? besides if he throws a pick it will be easier to catch as a defender? no competitive advantage and problem solved, stats go up for qb’s, wr’s and db’s and an occasional nose-tackle………………

  104. ejmat2 says:
    May 17, 2015 10:31 AM
    dunstonjones14 says:
    May 17, 2015 9:51 AM

    Can people just shut up already. Patriots are innocent till proving guilty and honestly this whole thing is getting stupid and ridcoulus and it is getting more ridiculous by the minute with everyone and the media making this bigger than it honestly has to be like it’s murder or something worse.
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    I can agree with this statement. Again, if he’s innocent all he has to do is comply with the full investigation and turn over his phone.

    ——————————–
    Only a complete moron would turn over personal information to these fools. They have more leaks than the titanic

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