Expect Brady vs. NFL to be filed sooner than later

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In the case of Vikings running back Adrian Peterson, the federal lawsuit against the league came after arbitrator Harold Henderson upheld Peterson’s suspension. In the case of Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, expect the lawsuit to come before Commissioner Roger Goodell resolves the appeal of Brady’s four-game banishment.

With Brady and the NFL Players Association making a strong push for Commissioner Roger Goodell to delegate a neutral arbitrator to handle the appeal and with the league leaking on Friday that Goodell is “very unlikely” to step aside voluntarily, it’s highly likely if not certain that a lawsuit attempting to force Goodell to delegate the appeal will be filed, possibly soon.

“If the Commissioner does not appoint such a neutral arbitrator, the NFLPA and Mr. Brady will seek recusal and pursue all available relief to obtain an arbitrator who is not evidently partial,” the appeal letter to Vincent states.

The NFLPA filed a pre-appeal lawsuit in 2012, when Goodell decided to handle the appeal of his own decision to suspend multiple players in connection with the New Orleans bounty scandal. While a ruling on that point never came in court, the pressure from the litigation eventually prompted Goodell to appoint former Commissioner Paul Tagliabue to handle the appeal process.

The one certainty in this case (and perhaps the only certainty in this case) is that Goodell won’t be appointing Tagliabue again. Not only did Goodell’s former boss scrap all suspensions, but Tagliabue also issued a professional-yet-clear rebuke of Goodell for attempting to change a culture of the league by making an example out of one team at a time when many may be doing the same or similar things.

Three years ago, the NFLPA argued that Goodell already had determined the Saints players to be guilty. This time around, Goodell has insulated himself from such an argument because he delegated the initial decision to executive V.P. of football operations Troy Vincent. The primary argument in favor of recusal will come from the intent of the NFLPA and Brady to call Goodell as a witness for the appeal, on the question of whether and to what extent he was aware of the concerns about football inflation before testing of New England’s footballs occurred at halftime of the AFC title game in January.

Regardless of the specific arguments raised, the lawsuit surely is coming. As explained Friday, Goodell won’t be inclined to undermine the work of Ted Wells, who was hired by Goodell and who racked up millions in legal fees for work that started as an independent investigation but that finished as, in essence, a special prosecution.

If Wells and the NFL are so confident about the quality of his work, why not welcome a neutral third party to handle the case? As more and more of these high-profile disciplinary cases are processed by the league, more and more members of the media and fans are realizing that the league’s obsession with stacking the deck in the appeal process conflicts sharply with notions of fundamental fairness to those whose interests are being determined by persons with no interest in being truly fair.

261 responses to “Expect Brady vs. NFL to be filed sooner than later

  1. Enough! We didn’t cheat. We won. We always win. You lost. You always lose. You people go to extreme measures to rationalize this!

    #FreeBrady
    #FreeOurPicks
    #EndtheWarOnWinning
    #NFLCoup

  2. You totally left out that Brady’s phone will be included in discovery. Why would they want that now?

  3. Lol at Framegate. The Patriots just cant help themselves. To paraphrase Jim Carrey from ‘Liar Liar’:

    “Stop breaking the rules a##*****!!”

  4. It’s fun watching the guilty squirm a little bit. This is their legacy. Cheat-to-win.

  5. I would also want Goodell to testify why he never asked a single Saints player to hand over their cell phone as part of the far more serious Bountygate investigation but demanded Brady’s cell phone over a far less serious investigation into air pressure.

  6. “Tagliabue also issued a professional-yet-clear rebuke of Goodell for attempting to change a culture of the league by making an example out of one team at a time when many may be doing the same or similar things.”

    ding ding ding!! Goodell is on a mission to bring parity to the league because it’s good for the bottom line.. outliers like the Patriots who consistently dominate the competition won’t be tolerated

  7. Another one to add to Brady’s defeated list. 31 teams plus the league itself. This guy is unstoppable!

  8. Right on Florio. What is the NFL afraid of?

    Go get em CHAMP! And get this incompetent commissioner out of his position.

  9. Haha Patriot fans are becoming deleterious. Brady is playing them too. Sad but deserving for the rest of us.

  10. You guys kill me with this Bradys phone stuff….That phone is the least of his or the NFLs problems…..You are all witnessing the beginning of the end of Roger Goodell……For years Brady has taken out defenses and now he and he ALONE will take Goodell down. Overshadowed in all this is Goodells continuing mistakes running the NFL. He has blundered the last 5-6 investigations and this with Brady will be it……That Wells report has more holes then swiss cheese and isas strong as a boiled piece of pasta…..Goodell should be ashamed at putting out such a report after over 100 days of investigating…….it will cost him his job…….

  11. It’s obvious. Patriot Hater FEARS Tom Brady.

    AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  12. I have firmly been in the corner that Goodell has been a puppet and is doing what the owners want him to do.

    However, after this one, I think he needs to get a clue. Kraft has been one of the only people to defend him in almost every case.

    I don’t know if the Pats are guilty or innocent. If the only thing to go on is the Well’s report, I would say that there isn’t enough to go on.

    Personally, if I had been Vincent, I would’ve came out and stated that there isn’t enough evidence BUT the Patriots and Brady have interfered with the investigation, which both have freely admitted to.

    Then this whole issue would’ve been over.

    Goodell doesn’t have to worry about this particular issue as there are a majority of owners who want to stick it to the Pats in any way they can. However, there is going to be another scandal coming along soon, there seems to always be anymore with the NFL, that is when he needs to watch as the person that was helping him keep the owners on his side just left his.

  13. No matter what you believe the truth may be, all must agree Goodell is a pandering lowlife with no integrity. He will make whatever decision helps Roger Goodell.

  14. Do you think that smirk on Brady’s face is because he just read the silly Patriot hater comments on this board?

    I think it is. I have exactly the same smirk right now!

    🙂

  15. Congrats Colts. You managed to jump ahead of the dog butt jets as the whiniest organization in sports.

    You figured if you can’t beat Tom then you might as well blame it on soft balls.

    Crank up your crowd noise and take a bow.

  16. How do you justify being wrongly accused and fire the guys at the center of the deal?

  17. All I know is the 2015-2016 Patriots will be playing like Charles Jefferson when Spicoli cracked up his car in Fast Times at Ridgemont High.

    A chip on their shoulder the size of a boulder this year. Good for us, bad for everybody else.

  18. The rebuttal is against NFL constitution, they lying and deceit knows no bounds.

    31 other owners behind the scenes want this 15 year Pats charade to end. goodell has made himself reworthy of being commish by not siding with his buddy. Let the lawsuits commence, it won’t be pretty but the nfl is at a crossroads here and it’s 31 vs. 1

    Kraft is in a corner now. Fess up

  19. Poor, poor Patriot hater. You must have been through a lot. 🙂

    You said the Patriots would be lucky to be a 5 win team after we heard about spygate for the first time. Oops.

    You wanted so badly for the Rams walkthough story. Oops.

    You said they can’t win a playoff game after spygate and the rule about helmet communications was put in place after 2008. Oops.

    You wanted so badly for the Seahawks to beat the Patriots. Then Malcolm Butler happened. Oops.

    And now your whole beloved deflategate story is being exposed as the sham that is always was. Oops.

    You poor things. The emotional roller coaster surely has taken it’s toll by now! 🙂

  20. No longer will we accept Goodell’s apology.

    He had his chance and the dynasty says the time has passed on that opportunity

    Only thing we are still figuring out is who to replace Goodell with.

    He had his chance.

    #nowyiscantleave

  21. PATRIOT HATER. I’M TALKING TO YOU BOY. GET ON YOUR KNEES AND BOW TO THE GREATEST QUARTERBACK THAT EVER STEPPED ON A FOOTBALL FIELD. KNOW YOUR PLACE AND BOW BEFORE GREATNESS.

  22. Goodell know he can’t assign an independent arbitrator, because they have nothing on Brady and everyone knows the suspension is ridiculous.

    This is becoming Goodell’s Waterloo and the best we can all hope for is that the issue will get so overblown by the media that Goodell will not be able to continue as commissioner once Brady’s suspension is revoked by an independent court.

  23. The FBI & Congress need to take down the John Gotti of the NFL. Goodell and these corrupt owners that support this morally & ethically bankrupt scumbag need to be nailed to the wall for the organized crime like way they do business.

    Its time for these scumbag organization to be taken down. They lose every battle in court when they are forced to tell the truth under oath. They had to be sued to start being honest about concussions.

    Time for the NFL to be taken down. Their egos are out of control. Its nothing more that a legalized crime organization. The Mob always gets pinched. Time for Congress to order them how to do business

  24. Maybe we can get another Brady press conference explaining how he just picks the ball up & throws it, so he’s not sure what happened.

  25. The Pats have to be making a lot of executives and owners around the league angry, this hissy fit of they are throwing is juvenile. What would it take to force Kraft out? I don’t think it would be a tough sell. What a disgrace the Patriots are! Its truly disgusting.

  26. “Enough! We didn’t cheat. We won. We always win. You lost. You always lose. You people go to extreme measures to rationalize this!”

    I wonder where people get the idea that Patriots* fans are pompous, obnoxious and condescending…

    Your devolution into sounding like a Steelers fan is officially complete.

  27. Lol I love how the Patriots fans jump in and try to act like this is ridiculous. Your team cheated again and again and the level of disillusioned idiots on there side astounds me. How could this many people be this stupid? Oh wait yeah boston. Duh lol

  28. The rebuttal is against NFL constitution


    HAHAHAHA. Patriot hater loves to invent facts and make up fairy tales don’t they?

    Translation: you’re worried. It’s ok, admit it I won’t tell anyone! Shhhhhhhh……

  29. Ok. I’m officially done with NFL drama… I don’t care for it at all. I won’t buy tickets(13 years now), I won’t buy gear(about the same amount of time), and trust me when I say I will stop watching and of course reading the troth slop mike and company keep flinging across the net. It detracts from the sport. It has no helpful value at all. If you think I want to have gossip chatter about some NFL player every time I see him, or better yet listen to the announcers of the game rehash his life every time he shown… You are kidding yourself. It’s better when I just know they are football players who play football. If they are not in the game, just introduce us to his replacement and move forward. I’ll say it again, I do not care how the clock works, I just want to know what time it is. The drama of protecting the shield or whatever WILL be the NFL’s downfall.

    God bless the Washington Redskins.

  30. If you are going to make the argument that the NFL should welcome a neutral arbitrator if they’re confident in their work then you also have to make the argument that Brady needs to turn over his phone and the Pats need to let the equipment guys speak publicly since they’re so confident that they’re innocent.

  31. The Patriots are the problem kid in your child’s class. Circumvent the rules, thumb your nose at the school, defy the teacher, then blame the school when the principal steps in and issues a discipline. Parents come flying into the school, threaten the principal, refuse to accept little “Tommy’s” punishment, dangle a lawsuit against the school over their handling of the incident. Principal holds his ground. Parents and little Tommy run to the school board to get the principal’s discipline overturned. Huge fiasco.

    But of course, what is lost is that none of it happens if little Tommy follows the rules like the other 31 kids in the class.

  32. If the NFL loses the case, the Patriots and their fans can say, whether it is true or not:

    “We won. Brady is innocent”.

    BUT

    There is one thing that they can’t say:

    “The Patriots reputation isn’t tainted. No one can question our integrity now. We didn’t cheat. Brady’s reputation isn’t tainted”.

    The bell has already been rung. That cannot be undone. Public opinion has already seen to that. The stonewalling, etc. is not imaginary. The Wells report may be flawed, but the unwillingness of Brady to turn over the text, emails, and phone cannot be ignored or forgotten. They are not technicalities. The Patriots will always have blood on their hands that they will not be able to wash off.

    Hopefully, the deflator will be able to lose a few pounds. Feeble excuse.

  33. Everyone just needs to stop hating on Brady. No matter what you think about him, he is going to go down in history as one of the greatest sports figures of all time. He’ll be right there with Barry bonds, Alex Rodriguez, lance Armstrong, Tonya Harding, Sammy Sosa, Tyson Gay and other great sports figures of our time.

  34. Would LOVE for Brady to take to court,in fact I would welcome it.Brady takes to court and they will get all the emails and texts,even the ones dating back to May of 2014.Brady could end up with a much more severe penalty.

  35. There is already a state court decision stating goddell is not legally allowed to hear appeals in these type of cases.

    Commonsense tells you that is not a transparent means of due process.

    Neutral arbiter probably an ex judge us the only way to go

    And then fire roger

    You know so he can spend more time with his family

  36. The NFL will survive, Goodell might as well, but the league has a lot of issues to clear up. They have been doing things the same way for years, and the problems they face today are just different than they were in the past. Game procedures, replay reviews, discipline, officiating, security, information leaks, and most likely a few other things we don’t even know about yet, all need to be torn apart, and rebuilt from the ground up. Otherwise, these repeated scandals are going to tear the NFL apart.

  37. LOL, I dunno, I’m coming closer every day to thinking and believing this Whole Dang Thing is staged.

    The only thing this story is missing is Vince McMahon.

  38. mrbigass says:
    May 16, 2015 9:24 AM

    How do you justify being wrongly accused and fire the guys at the center of the deal?

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    Suspended =/= “fired”.

    The texts gave the impression that one guy was stealing shoes for the other guy. Sure sounds like grounds for a suspension to me. Yup. 🙂

  39. We will have to wait for the outcome but lets look at 2 possibilities. What happens if the Wells investigation had not released all of the evidence, kind of like leaving a couple of bullets in the chamber just in case. If they have conclusive proof………this will get worse for the Pats, much worse but……………

    What happens if this is all they have, what happens if Brady has to give his phone to the courts and there is nothing on it……… The NFL will look hypocritical, unprofessional, and unethical. Goodell will lose his job and the balance of power will shift more in the direction of NFLPA.

    For what it is worth in this world of leaks and unapproved releasing of private information (made much worse by the way in this case due to the NFL’s inability to control their own information releases) I do not blame Brady for not surrendering his phone.

  40. Boy this is getting good. Roger Goodell is like Moe from the Three Stooges. The dumbest one because he actually believes he’s smart.

    I can’t wait for him to be eviscerated on the stand.

    The sad thing is, he is great at making the NFL money. Terrible with labor relations.

  41. Listen to ex Dolphins coach Jim Turner absolutely incinerate Wells and his credibility.

    Tells you all you need to know about this sham of a report and it’s sham conclusions. 🙂

  42. The majority of the haters have no idea what spygate was about. They would read some outlandish post and take it as gospel. Now the same thing has happened with the deflategate nonsense. The Patriots were the scapegoat in spygate and they did not fight it, yet years after, the haters still bring it up and point to that as the reason for the Patriot’s success. The Patriots have not been disciplined for anything else since then….because they have not cheated since then. The Patriots and we Patriots fans have been taking the crap slung at us non-stop and now when they are not going to take it any longer. No one would. So hate on, we still have 4 out of six rings and are still in place to contend for another.

  43. It’s about lack of proper parenting. Somewhere along the line, these people were taught that the end justifies the means and that cheating is OK.

    We talk about players being role models and constantly slam pot smokers or other run-ins with law enforcement, but give a green light to an embedded culture of dishonesty and deceit.

    Stop the madness. McNally claimed he used a urinal in a bathroom that had no urinal. Let McNally and Jastremski talk if you really want the truth.

  44. The lawsuit isn’t about Goodell, it’s about the owners having almost unilateral power over discipline. And, per the CBA, they’ve vested that power in their commissioner.

    So, it’s the structure of the process about which the players now complain. A process to which they, you know, agreed.

  45. Be careful what you wish for Tom Brady and Bob Kraft/New England Patriots.

    Once you file litigation, Tom Brady, McNally, Jastremski, Bob Kraft, and Bill Belichick will have to testify under oath. Also, Tom Brady’s phone and any termination/confidentiality agreement with McNally and Jastremski will be discoverable.

    Pandora’s box . . . .

  46. Tired of Brady, Goodell, Kraft, and the rest of the jokers in this. Is this a new NFL ploy to get us so fed up with nonsense we can’t wait for actual football news? Because it’s working.

  47. Brady should sue nfl and Roger.
    I still think, as does nearly 89% of respondents outside of Boston, that Pats did in fact cheat again, but he should sue anyway to try and clear up his name. U don’t want to try and get in HOF tainted like this.

  48. If the accusations of ball tampering were true (not proven) and if Brady was even generally aware of said tampering (not proven) why would Brady or Kraft appeal at all. 4 games is not going to impact their season next year. They could lose all 4 (but probably wouldn’t) and would still likely win the AFC East. A million bucks is nothing to Kraft.

    The mere fact that they are willing to climb so far out on that limb casts a large doubt as to their knowledge of any illegal ball manipulation, and their confidence that the truth will not hurt them.

    Yes, in a an actual court case all parties would be subject to subpoena by both sides. The Ball boy, the Equipment manager, the referee Walt Anderson, Kinsell, Grigson, others in the Colts organization, maybe even Harbaugh and Pagano.

    Scientists would testify and easily explain how the keystone cop refs got the pressure readings that they did at halftime, and of course Goodell would be the prime target for the entire case. Sure, you can also expect Brady to voluntarily give a full accounting of himself under oath, and that would be the end of the frivolous accusations of him lying when he looked uncomfortable talking about it in his press conference after the accusations were made.

  49. Pats fans are losers. Pats would be losers if they didn’t cheat. Not a giants fan but you couldn’t even beat them by cheating 18 wins one giant loss

  50. It’s just quite simply not the Fun Game Of Football anymore. Business and Media has DESTROYED this game. Yet, just another thing greed and capitalism have set a blaze, while the Business men and their lawyers sit around the fire giggling again at the fact that hard working people all just bent over and handed over their wallets…….again. lol

  51. pwb44 says:
    May 16, 2015 9:47 AM

    Be careful what you wish for Tom Brady and Bob Kraft/New England Patriots.

    Once you file litigation, Tom Brady, McNally, Jastremski, Bob Kraft, and Bill Belichick will have to testify under oath. Also, Tom Brady’s phone and any termination/confidentiality agreement with McNally and Jastremski will be discoverable.

    Pandora’s box . . . .

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    LOL. I love how people actually believe the Patriots are unaware of what going to court means and what they would need to do once this gets filed.

    The fact they are going to court anyway despite all of that…should tell you all you need to know about Team Brady’s/Patriots case. It’s rock solid. 🙂

  52. One more comment to the vitriolic haters: Have you considered even for one moment that they might NOT have done it?

  53. pwb44: I just love all these whinny Pat’s fans that are pushing for them to go to court,yet not knowing what you and I both seem to know about those nasty little emails and texts.

  54. If you think deflating footballs helps win championships then you need to get off the computer and get a life.

  55. To all you pats fans….watch out. That next step you are taking could be off a cliff.

  56. I am starting to wonder now if the WWF has more integrity and is less fixed than the NFL and its teams are.

    “Hey, Cuban you were right. The Golden Goose is starting to choke and is getting its wings clipped so it won’t be able to fly any more.”

    The NFL with a huge amount of help from the Patriots are ruining the sport.

  57. Who cares which players on the Pats gets suspended. They just cheat for their coach owner because they aren’t good enough to beat the Jags without cheating. This team sucks anyway. The owner is so bad that he can’t find a coach that can win or lose without cheating. The other owners a livid.

    After Kraft first took shots at Wells and before the website, Wells said on the radio that Kraft is wrong and that Wells double checked his, crossed his t’s, dotted his i’s, he wrote the report in a light manner for Kraft, but the evidence is overwhelming between the report and his supporting documentation that Brady is guilty. Then he said he can prove Brady in any court in the country.

  58. Do the Patriots and Brady realize that they will have to testify under oath and supply all the things that have been refusing via subpoena and that everything they have been trying to cover up will see the light of day? And that refusal to comply or continuing to lie can lead to much harsher fines and even jail time for all?

    Do they think their fired scapegoats and (most everyone else) are going to keep their secrets when faced with the possibility of jailtime?

    Stupid is as Stupid does.

  59. It’s a universal truth that there a far few winners in the world and in America than losers. That’s also true in the NFL. The evidence is in how many posters on this site call the Patriots cheaters. Cheaters is a phrase I have heard all my life by non athletes and losers. It’s the cheapest way out to explain your team failures and the ganging up is a sad testament to cowardly behavior. You really believe cheating explains how many times other teams have lost to the Patriots. Pushing your buttons is the idea of this site to get you guys to go, crazy venting how much your teams lose to better teams. This is how they survive and you guys eat it up.Grow up the Patriots are good and it has nothing to with cheating however foolish you are to believe it. Ok having said that, let the chorus begin…. Those Patriots are such cheaters, everytime Donte Hightower knocks my players on their ass he must be cheating and when Tom Brady stages another late game come back of course he must be cheating. I bet that ball has .33 pounds less air it. Wow, do you listen to yourselves.

  60. Their case is rock solid is truly laughable – Best joke of the morning !!
    As for a softer ball not making a difference,that too is laughable considering many QB’s have come out to say different including Eli Manning.In bad weather it is easier to throw and catch.

  61. sigma0616 says:
    May 16, 2015 9:34 AM
    Lol I love how the Patriots fans jump in and try to act like this is ridiculous. Your team cheated again and again and the level of disillusioned idiots on there side astounds me. How could this many people be this stupid? Oh wait yeah boston. Duh lol

    First of all, sounds like you got cheated by whatever school you were “educated” in. Boston is not New England, it is one city in a region known as New England. Second, you don’t say where you are from, but sight unseen I can pretty much guarantee you that for any category you want (except perhaps climate) a comparison between where you are form and Boston will result in you losing again.

  62. This whole argument is based on the assumption that sufficient proof hasn’t already established Brady’s guilt…which it has. Brady is as guilty as, but has defrauded more people than, Bernie Madoff! At this point, Bradycheat & the Fakeriots are just delaying the inevitable.

  63. Mike Florio it is nice to see some objective reporting. I know you are not a Patriots fan but it is refreshing that you give readers the truth in this matter.

    Everything about deflategate boils down to were the balls used in the Colts playoff game really found to be tampered with? Forget the cell texts. It’s a moot point if the balls were not deflated. Using the officials best recolection of whwt gauge he used to measure football pressure and the scientific evidence of the effects of the cold on PSI. It’s more likely than not that the balls were never deflated. If that is the case there should be no punishment at all!!!

  64. Their case is rock solid is truly laughable – Best joke of the morning !!
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    Tee hee. For Patriot hater the old saying is so true… denial really ISN’T just a river in Egypt! 🙂

  65. yeevie13 says: May 16, 2015 9:34 AM

    If you are going to make the argument that the NFL should welcome a neutral arbitrator if they’re confident in their work then you also have to make the argument that Brady needs to turn over his phone and the Pats need to let the equipment guys speak publicly since they’re so confident that they’re innocent.
    _________________

    I agree, however that phone is probably in the bottom of the Pacific by now.

  66. californiaqid says:
    May 16, 2015 9:59 AM

    Tom Brady, you are making yourself look bad

    The current and 3 time Super Bowl MVP, 2 time league MVP, 4 time Super Bowl champ and greatest QB to ever play the game notes your opinion.

    When (not if) he wins One for the Thumb next year do you think he should wear them all on one hand? All those championship rings are quite heavy to wear all on one hand but they SURE look great! So I think he should. Discuss.

  67. The NFL should dare them to sue. Who knows how much damning stuff is on the phone, text and emails that Brady won’t turn over.

    Be careful what you wish for Brady, a court case is a totally world than the NFL hearing the appeal.

  68. outliers like the Patriots who consistently dominate the competition CHEAT won’t be tolerated ANY LONGER

    Goodell and Wells did screw up.

    They should have included the fumble stats as definitive proof the Patriots are serial cheaters.

    Check the fumble stats 2003-2006 pre rule vs 2007-2014 post rule change.

    But then he’d had to have suspended Lady, Cheat and Krap for a year.

    Can’t be light on those with no integrity.

  69. PFT appears to be the neutral place where Patriot fans have rallied to defend the honor of their chastised team. Oh, the indignation, the self righteous finger waggling, the smug refutation, the false bravado, did I mention the indignation….?

    LOL

  70. So the NFLPA and players ratified their current CBA that specifically allows the commissioner to be the arbitrator in appeals, and now, when push comes to shove, they want to circumvent it? How convenient.

    Welcome to the new NFL, where every year, there will be a new team and scandal. I seem to remember some of these same Pat’s fans applauding the commissioner and Wells during Bullygate. Singing a different tune now that the shoe is on the other foot eh?

    The commish works for the owners, not the other way around. The league (owners) are more profitable than ever. Goodell isn’t going anywhere.

  71. ” This time he (Goodell) insulated himself by appointing Vincent to administer the discipline”

    NO. …. . This is factually incorrect

    A reread of the NFLPA letter to the league points out that ” the Commissioner, and only the Commissioner can administer discipline . The union declared the whole process null and void already.

    The NFLPA’s letter is harsh.
    .

  72. diehardgiantsfan says:
    May 16, 2015 9:56 AM

    Who cares which players on the Pats gets suspended. They just cheat for their coach owner because they aren’t good enough to beat the Jags without cheating. This team sucks anyway. The owner is so bad that he can’t find a coach that can win or lose without cheating. The other owners a livid.


    Speaking of cheating and the Giants did you know Tyree used stickum for that catch? Yup. One of your Giants is on record admitting it.

    While that “18-1” loss really stung at the time… as soon as I heard that Tyree cheated all those feelings vanished completely and replaced by just a feeling of “meh whatever, they had to cheat to beat us, so what?”.

    Weird huh?

    As far as I’m concerned the Patriots are undefeated in 2007. I don’t and never will acknowledge a loss to cheaters.

  73. digiovanni45 says: It’s a universal truth that there a far few winners in the world and in America than losers. That’s also true in the NFL. The evidence is in how many posters on this site call the Patriots cheaters. Cheaters is a phrase I have heard all my life by non athletes and losers. It’s the cheapest way out to explain your team failures and the ganging up is a sad testament to cowardly behavior. You really believe cheating explains how many times other teams have lost to the Patriots. Pushing your buttons is the idea of this site to get you guys to go, crazy venting how much your teams lose to better teams. This is how they survive and you guys eat it up.Grow up the Patriots are good and it has nothing to with cheating however foolish you are to believe it. Ok having said that, let the chorus begin…. Those Patriots are such cheaters, everytime Donte Hightower knocks my players on their ass he must be cheating and when Tom Brady stages another late game come back of course he must be cheating. I bet that ball has .33 pounds less air it. Wow, do you listen to yourselves.

    _________________________________

    Who is saying anything of what you are claiming? Nobody is blaming their own teams’s losses on this. You are the one who needs to listen to yourself putting words into others’ mouths.

  74. Poor, poor Patriot hater.

    You actually think your team deserves to be on the field as the World Champion Patriots…. HAHAHAHAHA

    Poor deluded souls…you have my pity. 🙂

  75. The 11 balls tested at half time averaged, 11.49 PSI. All 11 were in the Idea Gas Law range that is 11.32-11.52. The game was played in 40 degree weather. So what exactly is the issue?

  76. The World Champion Patriot are tired of toying with inferior competition every year. It’s fun but it does get boring after a while.

    I’ve said it before…it’s time for all the 31 inferior teams to be contracted out of the NFL. Just fold. We are tired of you. Enough is enough. It’s bad for the league to have 1 superior team and 31 puny little things that can’t stand up to them. Time to give 31 new teams a shot at the big dogs.

    Discuss.

  77. butwhatabouttheintegrityofthegame says:
    May 16, 2015 10:19 AM

    ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY PATRIOTS. SUPREME RULERS OF THE NFL!!!!!

    —–

    ALL HAIL!

  78. “If Wells and the NFL are so confident about the quality of his work, why not welcome a neutral third party to handle the case? As more and more of these high-profile disciplinary cases are processed by the league, more and more members of the media and fans are realizing that the league’s obsession with stacking the deck in the appeal process conflicts sharply with notions of fundamental fairness to those whose interests are being determined by persons with no interest in being truly fair.”

    ^ Truth.

  79. patstipoftheiceberg says:
    May 16, 2015 10:20 AM

    lolpatshaters guy is on krafts media cartel payroll for sure Just like the Nobel prize winning science guy who refutes things for Kraft

    —-
    Tee hee 🙂 I think I must have struck a nerve!

    #thetruthhurts

  80. ” If Wells and the NFL are so confident about the quality of his work, why not welcome a neutral third party to handle the case? As more and more of these high-profile disciplinary cases are processed by the league, more and more members of the media and fans are realizing that the league’s obsession with stacking the deck in the appeal process conflicts sharply with notions of fundamental fairness to those whose interests are being determined by persons with no interest in being truly fair.”

    If this was tennis, that would be an ace.
    .

  81. gimmeabruschi says:
    May 16, 2015 10:21 AM

    “If Wells and the NFL are so confident about the quality of his work, why not welcome a neutral third party to handle the case? As more and more of these high-profile disciplinary cases are processed by the league, more and more members of the media and fans are realizing that the league’s obsession with stacking the deck in the appeal process conflicts sharply with notions of fundamental fairness to those whose interests are being determined by persons with no interest in being truly fair.”

    ^ Truth.

    —-

    The funny thing is… it didn’t surprise me because yes Goodell really is arrogant enough to do it anyway. Because he’s Goodell and we’re not. He thinks all NFL fans are stupid.

    Time for him to go.

  82. Judge to Goodell : The second half of the AFCCG was PATRIOTS 28 to colts 0. Mr. Goodell, Why did you not exonerate the PATRIOTS at that point ???

    Goodell : It backfired on us on the first sting attempt.

    Judge : Mr. Goodell, you leaked false information for two weeks leading up to the SuperBowl, WHY ???

    Goodell : That was our second attempt to undermine the PATRIOTS.

    Judge : Under the highest NFL scrutiny, the PATRIOTS defeated, perhaps, the Best Defense in NFL history – Why did you not exonerate the PATRIOTS at this point.

    Goodell : We were hoping the Seahawks would win (whimper) but that also FAILED.

    Judge : And no exoneration for the PATRIOTS I assume? What did you do next?

    Goodell : I hired Mr. Well$ in a fourth attempt to discredit the PATRIOTS.

    Judge : Mr. Goodell, Why do you feel it necessary to discredit the PATRIOTS.

    Goodell : For NFL Parity & to protect the Sheild – I AM the SHEILD !!!!

    Judge : OK, I’ve heard enough !!! Take Mr. Goodell to the psyche ward and have him thoroughly evaluated.

    Judge : Mr. Well$, you are up next!

    Well$ : He made me do it – He made me do it.

  83. Lolpatshaters…….the other 31 owners are standing up to them. 15 years of complaints on video, communications, balls, scoreboard, eavesdropping, bugging the locker rooms, locker room people sneaking into opposing locker rooms to steal play books, Ernie Adams ……who wasn’t named in Wells report (amazing), exploit gray areas of ops manual, I can go on and on. And the Lombardi has been awarded to many other teams since 2000…..you talk like its 15 years in a row for cheat pats

  84. nflpoker says:
    May 16, 2015 10:08 AM

    “What is Brady REALLY afraid of?”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    A.) Unclothed and erotic pictures/text of Gisele being leaked by the NFL from his phone.

    B.) Gisele getting fat.

    C.) UGGS shoe company replacing him with Peton Manning..

  85. I want to credit Roger Gooddell as being an above-average intelligence, for getting to the position he holds …. but it’s clear he’s an absolute idiot and buffoon, who learned NOTHING from the Bounty-gate fiasco.

    Paul Tagliabue took Gooddell to school for going into an investigation with a pre-determined conclusion, and showed Gooddell the folly of trying to downplay the accused party’s indignation, before tossing it totally out the window by hearing the appeal of the rail-roaded decision you made yourself.

    Here, Brady and the NFLPA see right through this sham investigation, which totally ignores the fact the there WAS NO deliberate “deflation”, and they put Gooddell on notice that he wasn’t going to be the Judge and the Jury AGAIN.

    Did Gooddell remember how this went the last time? No. He decides to do the same exact thing that didn’t go well the last time!

    Gooddell got fair warning NOT to try that again, but he decided to force the union’s hand by deciding to hear the appeal himself, AGAIN.

    This man is a complete idiot.

    Read Gooddell’s own officially sanctioned report:

    There is ZERO evidence that the Patriots footballs were under the minimum limit, accounting for the effect of the weather.

    There is ZERO evidence that McNally and/or Jastremski deflated a single football below the league minimum.

    There is ZERO evidence that Tom Brady directed either of those men to deflate footballs below the league minimum.

    There IS evidence that the NFL botched the game-day conditions and chain of custody of those footballs.

    There IS evidence that the Colts footballs were similarly below league minimums, after being exposed to the elements that day (a fact that virtually EVERYONE is ignoring, for some reason!)

    There IS evidence that Wells ignored Walt Anderson’s “best recollections”, and pushed him for an answer that better fit the NFL’s narrative.

    There IS evidence that the NFL office has been the never-ending source of “leaks”, since this story broke – and continues right through to TODAY.

    There IS evidence that the Patriots and Tom Brady cooperated with the investigation, until the witch-hunt intentions of Ted Wells became crystal clear.

    Let’s be perfectly clear, people:

    This suspension and fine is NOT about deflated footballs, because the NFL knows (from their own measurements at halftime!) that there WERE NONE!

    This suspension and fine is because the NFL made such a fuss that they had no choice but to find New England guilty of SOMETHING, so “lack of cooperation”, it is!

    If this case goes in front of anyone not named “Roger Gooddell”, it is going to be exposed for the sham rail-roading that it IS, which is why Gooddell is falling into the same trap he did before.

    He is forcing Brady to bring this to a neutral party, and this case is going to blow up in his face.

    He will be DONE with the owners, when this is over.

  86. patstipoftheiceberg says:
    May 16, 2015 10:24 AM

    Lolpatshaters…….the other 31 owners are standing up to them. 15 years of complaints on video, communications, balls, scoreboard, eavesdropping, bugging the locker rooms, locker room people sneaking into opposing locker rooms to steal play books, Ernie Adams ……who wasn’t named in Wells report (amazing), exploit gray areas of ops manual, I can go on and on. And the Lombardi has been awarded to many other teams since 2000…..you talk like its 15 years in a row for cheat pats

    —-

    If you can’t beat em… whine and cry about em. Yup. IT’S SO TRUE! 🙂

    Here’s a radical idea. How about yours and all the other teams just try to beat the Patriots on the field by getting better players, coaching better, coaching smarter, and working harder. The Patriots have done all of these, why can’t the other teams? Is it really that hard a concept to grasp? Don’t be mad at us, be mad at your team for not doing all of the above well enough. It ain’t rocket science.

    But nah.. keep thinking that it must be cheating that’s keeping the World Champion Patriots on top of the world. And then you can watch them stay on top for at least another 15 years. You’ll figure it out someday. 🙂

  87. “As far as I’m concerned the Patriots are undefeated in 2007. I don’t and never will acknowledge a loss to cheaters.”
    ====================================
    Boy, you Pat’s fans are taking childish, and delusional to new levels.

    What are you, 12?

  88. Your team cheats dot com is a great site that will show all you fans how innocent your team is. It shocked me… Being a 49er fan I expected to see the Pats at or near the top… Boy was I wrong…. Take a peak and you’ll see that the media has painted the pats a certain way and that’s irresponsible. Especially given how much revenue they bring in

  89. So given that as soon as a lawsuit is filed all of the Patriots records (texts, emails, etc) will be open to be subpoenaed will people bashing the Patriots actually give them credit for it, or do you all just hate the Patriots too much?

    On the flip side since Wells is an attorney hired by the league will Goodell and Wells assert attorney-client privilege with many of their records? It remains to be seen if the NFL does this, but if they do will you all unleash the same hate on Goodell and Wells as you have on the Patriots?

  90. offtopic111 says:
    May 16, 2015 10:39 AM

    So given that as soon as a lawsuit is filed all of the Patriots records (texts, emails, etc) will be open to be subpoenaed will people bashing the Patriots actually give them credit for it, or do you all just hate the Patriots too much?

    I still think it’s freaking hilarious to hear Patriots Hater beg the Patriots not to go to court. Oh they won’t admit it’s begging them but… it is. 🙂

    Patriots Hater should be its own comedic variety show. A never ending source of comedy gold! 🙂

  91. hdahs143 says:
    May 16, 2015 10:35 AM

    “As far as I’m concerned the Patriots are undefeated in 2007. I don’t and never will acknowledge a loss to cheaters.”
    ====================================
    Boy, you Pat’s fans are taking childish, and delusional to new levels.

    What are you, 12?

    —-

    NO I AM 6 AND PATRIOT HATER IS GETTING OWNED BY A 6 YEAR OLD HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  92. “pizzarules says:
    May 16, 2015 9:11 AM
    You totally left out that Brady’s phone will be included in discovery. Why would they want that now?”

    Perhaps there is nothing on Brady’s phone. As unpopular as it may be, perhaps the footballs were never tampered with illegally. Perhaps those texts referred with deflating the footballs to Brady’s preferred 12.5 psi level and perhaps the science of the Ideal Gas Law was the only thing that dropped their pressure during the game.

    Any communications between Brady and the two others would have shown up on their phones. I am curious though, to learn what kind of conversations might show up on the phones of the NFL personnel involved in this farce. I expect we may discover just how deep this farce actually goes.

    If people are going to have an opinion on this, read the report. ESPN and the media has been reporting false information from the very beginning…They all have a profit agenda and nothing triggers clicks or ratings better than a controversy. This whole saga is nothing more than sensationalism.

    Go Team Brady!!! Expose these frauds for what they really are.

  93. I just can’t stop laughing.

    Vincent stated ” Brady probably was at least aware…”

    OK – I am “at least aware” that it will rain tomorrow.
    So, that means I made it rain? or at least “Probably” influenced the clouds to form and drop some rain?

    Hey, I am “at least aware” that my neighbor is a call girl. Does that mean I am guilty of solicitation?

    Goodell, Vincent & Well$ are the laughing stock of the NFL

  94. I’m not sure what the Pats or Brady are fighting far at this point. As an organization they have long lost the integrity earned by becoming a champion. They may have four rings, but history taught by NFL fans outside Boston will teach each ring was a tainted one. No disrespect to Brady, but how else does a six round pick win four rings?

    As for Brady’s punishment, it was hardly enough. The rest of the nation is all in on Goodell nailing this decision. Federal court won’t succeed either. With the new open offenses and effecient rookie wide-receiver transitions into the NFL, the NFL simply won’t need the Pats as a lean-to marketing pole. Goodell and the sheild can finally take out the trash…

  95. It saddens this American to see the presumption of guilt so easily applied to Brady and the Patriots. A losing team who got it’s butt kicked all over the field, what was the final score, 47-7, says, “The cheated!” And all the mindless parrots chime in, “They’re cheaters!”
    When the accusation becomes the crime, and the prosecution is ad hominem, there can be no justice or fairness.
    The Wells report is a sham investigation. There is no evidence that the Patriots started the game with footballs purposefully deflated below 12.5 psi. None whatsoever. All there is is conjecture based on text comments taken out of context.
    So what is this, absent any evidence, argue the accusation? “More probable than not” is not “beyond a reasonable doubt,” and is not accepted as a standard for judgment in any court of law. That’s why Goodell and the NFL will lose if this case is indeed taken to court, and it should be.
    Why would Brady be afraid of full disclosure, turning over his emails, computer, texts, and cell phone? He wouldn’t begin to contemplate filing a lawsuit if there were any incriminating evidence. C’mon, Tom Brady is not Hillary Clinton. It’s not like he’s deleting files that prove he sold out the US and used his position to push for legislation in exchange for foreign contributions to a fraudulent foundation in order to enrich himself.
    Tampering with footballs, skirting the rules, spying on opponents’ hand signals, is as old as football. Every team does it, because every team is always looking for an advantage. And anyone who doesn’t know that is a complete fool.
    I am not a Patriots fan, but I am American. I believe in due process. I haven’t seen any evidence of any kind that the Patriots cheated, or did anything that every other team doesn’t do. What I see is a sham investigation with a pre-determined conclusion, and a punishment that is grossly punitive and excessive.

  96. whitetrash69 says:
    May 16, 2015 9:33 AM
    The Pats have to be making a lot of executives and owners around the league angry, this hissy fit of they are throwing is juvenile. What would it take to force Kraft out? I don’t think it would be a tough sell. What a disgrace the Patriots are! Its truly disgusting.
    ***************

    This argument brought to you by “whitetrash69”

    pure comedy

  97. C.) UGGS shoe company replacing him with Peton Manning

    —-

    I think Peyton Manning needs to hire The Deflator for that giant forehead 🙂

  98. Doesn’t Brady and his lawyer understand that if this goes to court Goodell can file a Discovery order on his cell, subpoena the Deflator etc?
    They will give Goodell the ability to prove his case to the fans basically, then Brady will lose a lot of support.

  99. I suspect the Patriots stopped cooperating at the point they realized that this was no longer an investigation …

    but a collection of information to build a propaganda campaign against them.

  100. The funny thing about civil court cases, they can broaden the scope of evidence. Tom’s phone can and will be subpoenaed, and even if he “erased” the damning text messages, the subpoena will also give the NFL the ability to get ALL relevant text messages from Verizon “Official sponsor of the NFL” to compare to the text messages on his phone. If there are any discrepancies, that would constitute fraud and perjury in Tom’s case. Any variation from what was said during the original investigation also constitute a “LIE” and prove stonewalling at best on the part of the Patriot organization.
    This is a very, very slippery slope if they chose to go down it. The NFL at worst would have the fines and suspensions eliminated, however, the Patriots as an organization could get hammered much, much worse.
    The coaches also could stand to lose tremendously, as any texting or emails could implicate them in this scandal.
    All I can say is GOOD LUCK

  101. What is the channel that Pro Golf will be on today. Golfers are more honest than the Patriots. They have to sign their scorecards, so we all know that the # of strokes they counted agreed with the PGA. Otherwise, disqualification.

  102. Did the restroom area used by Jim McNally have a urinal/toilet or not?

    Patriot haters says there wasn’t?

    Wells Report never said (to no surprise).

    Brady rebuttal says there is.

    A litmus test.

  103. Regardless of anything that happens going forward, Brady will always be looked at as a cheat. The court of public opinion has already spoken. It’s done.

  104. dave399 says:
    May 16, 2015 11:10 AM
    I suspect the Patriots stopped cooperating at the point they realized that this was no longer an investigation …

    but a collection of information to build a propaganda campaign against them.

    ——————————————

    What this is really about is attempting to permanently damage the Patriots’ overall future psyche more than anything else. The Jets, Dolphins, Colts, Ravens etc. are just tired of always having to get past New England year after year after year in order to advance. This is about parity, so that those other teams can all get a shiny trophy too. If you can’t beat them, sabotage them, take them apart somehow, anyhow. Kensil worked for the Jets for 20 years before becoming a League executive. That’s the scratch n sniff ticket right there, who needs to look any further?

  105. To me, the best part of all this is how badly Brady’s image will be tarnished going forward. The guy won’t be able go anywhere or do anything without being called the “Cheater”. Advertisers will shun him, fans will bemoan him & NFL history will bury him as deeply as it can. Apart from his punishment for the act, he has inadvertenly lost Millions upon Millions of future dollars because he chose to Cheat. His huberous got the better of him & now he will finally pay ☺

  106. ridusofreid said:

    “Regardless of anything that happens going forward, Brady will always be looked at as a cheat. The court of public opinion has already spoken. It’s done.”

    Unfortunately, you are absolutely correct. That’s how the lynch mob mentality and court of public opinion works. Combine it with anything Patriots related and magnify that times 10.

    He could end up 100%, completely exonerated with indisputable proof … and millions will pay the evidence no mind. And haters call Patriots fans delusional. Amazing.

  107. I dont understand why so many dislike goodell. I think hrbhas been great in a difficult time to lead the league. All he is trying tondo is ensure the league does not go the way of boxing. And that means making unpopular decisions to ensure the long term health. Thus Leading!

  108. Sorry. but the damage has been done, Brady. There will always be a big “C” on your forehead. BTW, those feeble attempts to deflect the cheating scandal, i.e. Deflator, well everyone else does it, etc., etc. buried you even more. Those feeble attempts couldn’t help but sway people into thinking you were guilty.

    Actually, they weren’t feeble, but rather immature instead.

    OK PATS FANS, UNLOAD THOSE THUMBS DOWN ON THIS POST.

  109. Rule 17 is about “Unfair Advantage” via air football pressure.

    This Scam created by Kinsel, Grigson & Goodell was 100% DEFEATED with the FACTUAL SCIENTIFIC OBSERVABLE Evidence that was on Global TV around the world during the AFCCG.

    AFCCG second half results – PATRIOTS 28 – colts 0

    Any unbiased Judge will laugh this out of court on that evidence alone, not to mention SuperBowl XLIX.

  110. No matter how this turns out , nobody will ever forget that he (NFLPA) did to wiggle out of this mess he created. I hope he never gets near the hall of fame. Cheaters always cheat. He learned from the best.. His COACH

  111. When Brady leaves the courthouse with his tail between his legs, will he be man enough to apologize to Goodell? Will Kraft?

    #freebradyfor4games

    #carefulwhatuwishfor

  112. So many supporters of cheating claim .. “they hate us cuz we win so much” that doesn’t even make logical sense for 1 and for 2 .. Patriots have won 1 Super Bowl in 10 years that actually had to have the worst play call in the history of sports for them to secure that win. The bottom line here is .. no, they dont hate on you cuz u win they are treating you fairly according to the cba n bylaws… you cheat you get punished.. get over yourselves with this whole victim crap n crying it reminds everyone of Brady on the field. But common sense here folks is you cheat you get punished… ACCOUNTABILITY… my goodness whiny lil brats I tell ya !

  113. When it goes to court, the court will rule on the Wells report in particular and the NFL rules. For those who think that the NFL will get access to Brady’s phone, dream on. The NFL has to prove what their report says, without any additional fishing trips. When the arrogant go out to defame someone character, with weasel words like probably and back it up with clown science (the assumption that the Colts balls could used as the standard for the effects of the weather is absolutely absurd). The depositions will be of the order of what physical evidence do you have, when did you get it and who in the NFL offices were aware of the deflation issue before the game, who among the referees were informed, who in the Colts organization was informed. Brady’s phone will remain solidly in Brady’s possession, because is totally irrelevant to the report. You cannot draw a negative inference when they are protecting their privacy. When the NFL looses the case, then we will see the real toll Goodell’s vendetta against the Belichick. It will be measured in dollars .

  114. The Greatest & Wisest Man ever to walk this earth said this:

    “You Lawyers & Self Righteous Leaders, you swallow a camel and strain at a gnat.”

    Pretty much sums up Goodell, Kinsel & Wells.

  115. Mr. Florio, I want to channel your inner-lawyer. If Brady or Patriot’s appeal goes to a court of law, can the equipment guys now violate their “no talk about Patriots business” clause in the contract they signed? If they take the stand and are under oath, would have the ability to speak freely without legal consequence?

  116. In New York fans will be resurrecting the old Allie Sherman chant. Tis time it will be Goodbye Roger!

  117. Can this get any more embarrassing for Tom Brady and the Patriots? From their sham of a response to this ridiculous notion that somehow the NFL has it “out” for them has made Kraft et al. look like total fools. Trying to protect their legacy could make things so much worse for them. I’m shocked that they can’t see that. But then again I’m not, they’re a football team.

  118. So, Patriot fans are convinced this is the end of Goodell, yet not a single owner has risen to Kraft’s defense? If all of us are just jealous and can’t beat you (except Eli) what makes you think we’re going to bury the guy leading the persecution??

    #patriotlogic

    #ifustoppedcheatingwewouldntbhere

  119. @atruenfifan says:

    This is going to a law suit and the nfl is going to lose on every issue
    —————————————————————-
    I recall not that long ago a lot of Pats fans sayin’ “Brady will be exonerated when the Wells report comes out & all you haters will be proven wrong”. Kraft was soundly saying that he believed in the process & would accept whatever was determined by the investigators. Everyone was attacking the Colts & Ravens, saying things like the Colts deflated the intercepted balls. Now that the investigation has proved Brady cheated…Brady & (only) Pats fans are attacking Goodell & Wells with similar displays of incoherance. Mass dilusion is still dilusion. Misery loves company. You can band together, hold hands & sing ‘kumbaya’ but it isn’t going to change the fact that your QB Golden Boy now more closely resembles Berny Madoff.

  120. Well$, the impartial (laugh) attorney:

    1.) rejects/throws out scientific factual evidence that supports the accused party (Patriots)

    2.) rejects/throws out scientific factual evidence that implicates the accuser (Colts).

    3.) does NOT investigate additional accusers – Kinsel, Grigson, Harbaugh (Ravens) & Goodell as well.

    4.) wants Brady’s phone but not the accusers phones.

    5.) does NOT investigate NFL Refs and the lack of proper NFL protocol in registering, measuring & recording football pressure (Rule 17)

    6.) concludes that Bray & Patriots “PROBABLY did it”

    OK Then, any JUDGE will tear into Well$ like a kid on Christmas morning with his/her presents.

  121. I think the Pats, Tom Brady, and his legal team are smart enough to know what would happen if this goes to court and wouldn’t do so if there were things to hide. It’s a shame to me that instead of being lucky enough to be a fan during the playing years of arguably the best QB of all time (in my opinion he is), non-Pats’ fans across the country are gloriously trying to tear him down and enjoying every minute of it. It’s like no one can believe that the Pats are just that good. No team is scrutinized more than the Patriots. I hope Brady fights this to the end. Sadly, this is not the case that will take Goodell down as all the other owners are tired of the Patriots’ domination over the years. They are no different than their fans in that regard.

  122. “LOL. I love how people actually believe the Patriots are unaware of what going to court means and what they would need to do once this gets filed.”
    ______________

    And Patriot fans actually believe the NFL hasn’t considered how a court case might go.

    #cheatingwontsaveuthistime

    #additionalpunishments

  123. Cool. Let’s FINALLY end this lame little soap opera. If Tommy’s got nothing to hide, then turn over the texts and whatever else. Put the ball boys on the stand under oath. See if that “Deflator” nickname is really what the Pats (snicker) claim it is. Then if he’s innocent, fine, no suspension and let’s play ball.

  124. The only thing that anyone knows for certain at this point is that Brady* and the Pats* are Cheaters*, Liars* and Whiners*. Everything else is pure conjecture and speculation.

    *

  125. OK so just because a Nobel Prize winner in CHEMISTRY not Physics says something we believe it? What does Chemistry have to do with this? The Patriots are the best cheaters on the planet and their fans love them more because of it. I personally don’t think the deflated ball had much to do with wins or losses, but there are fumble studies that have the Patriots last in the league since 2007 in fumbles. The point is there was a rule in place that was not followed. Time to pay the piper and quit your cryBradying!!!

  126. First off let me start with this.

    The Lombardi’s are safe.

    Jealous fans whose teams have no chance to even compete with the Patriots can’t take those away.

    As to this issue. Goodell can’t possibly be the arbitrator on the appeal that has among other things the question of whether the commishoner has the power to delegate punishment to troy Vincent.

    Article 46 in the CBA says that he alone can punish.

    Case closed actually. If he does arbitrate the appeal a court will rule for Brady on that issue alone.

    Prediction.

    The greatest player ever trots onto the field on NFL opening Thursday night as the Superbowl Champions banner unfurls.

    It will be the highest rated Thursday night program viewed in television history.

    Goodell will lose support as the owners ask themselves Why are we sticking with this chump. He loses everytime he puts up a fight.

    Jealous NFL fans whose teams can’t compete with the Patriots know that feeling.

  127. Wacko is an appropriate name for you.YES,they can get their hands on the emails and text messages – It’s called discovery.Love these arm chair attorneys that don’t know crap !!! I know a paralegal ,you know a person that looks up laws and how they pertain to certain cases.All his emails and texts come in and even if erased can be found,along with all of the equipment guys emails and texts.

  128. When it goes to court, the court will rule on the Wells report in particular and the NFL rules. For those who think that the NFL will get access to Brady’s phone, dream on. The NFL has to prove what their report says, without any additional fishing trips. When the arrogant go out to defame someone character, with weasel words like probably and back it up with clown science (the assumption that the Colts balls could used as the standard for the effects of the weather is absolutely absurd). The depositions will be of the order of what physical evidence do you have, when did you get it and who in the NFL offices were aware of the deflation issue before the game, who among the referees were informed, who in the Colts organization was informed. Brady’s phone will remain solidly in Brady’s possession, because is totally irrelevant to the report. You cannot draw a negative inference when they are protecting their privacy.
    *********
    Oh, are you ever delusional!! The fines and punishment that were meted out were based on the lack of cooperation from the Patriots and Tom Brady. If they want to peal back the fines and punishment, they will have to prove beyond a preponderance of evidence that they did comply with all requests, and that there was NO stonewalling. To fall short of that will grant the NFL the dismissal of any lawsuit. To compel a judge to do otherwise would take complete cooperation from the Patriots and Brady, which unfortunately for the Patriots includes the digital formats such as texts and emails.
    They will have to hand over that information if they want to PROVE the fines are unjust.

  129. But the nfl talking heads in every channel said brady would expose himself Blah blah blah. When everybody in every channel says The same thing, these are called talking points. Seeing how they are always negative toward brady and patriots, these talking points are from league office.
    Then, they get parroted by fans … You see how nfl uses media to sway public opinion?
    In other words, stop being sheep…
    Brady never ordered footballs below legal limit. That’s your whole case right there. Everything else is just noise.
    In court we will find out, won’t we?

  130. Can’t believe that some on this forum actually think that the Patriots and their lawyers are unaware of the possibility of their phones being submitted, as part of the suit. I’m sure they’ll reconsider a suit based on your advice.

  131. So when they subpoena Tom’s phone and find texts and emails deleted from ______ to ________ I’m sure there will be a logical explanation. If they think we buy the “deflator” excuse surely they will come up with a logical explanation. This who k e thing is really entertaining!

  132. I love the idiots supporting NFL & Goodell on here. There is ZERO evidence Brady ordered the footballs to be deflated below the legal limit.

    The Wells report is a sham. Never let the facts get in the way of a great story says NFL & Wells. And if the facts dont support our twisted agenda, we will just say they cheated anyway.

    Goodell and Wells need to be imprisoned for this hatchet job full of lies and deceit.

  133. Who cares, anyone but the brain dead minions that follow the patriots**** knows he cheated. Who cares about court, lawsuits.’he cheated and will always be known as a cheater . Period.

  134. A “balanced” view, because it’s my view “)

    While there are certainly some flaws or potential issues with the Wells report, it’s pretty generally accepted outside of NE that the Pats guys did something to the balls after they were inspected.

    It’s also well accepted that the Pats were dirty in the Spygate, where they lost a pick, and the NFL inexplicably destroyed the evidence. The evidence must have been so damning that it needed to be burned.

    It is also pretty well held that Bill Belichick is the smartest coach ever. He will always be looking for an edge – whether it’s legal like the formation stuff, or just beyond the edge like Spygate and Deflategate. I personally suspect there are another dozen things the Pats have figured out that no one else ever thought of – and probably mostly legal. BB is smarter than the rest, and smart enough to look for an edge.

    The lack of cooperation is not good for the Pats. This is a workplace, not a criminal trial. The rights are different. If Brady’s lawyer can choose what gets turned over, it would not have been an invasion of privacy. Just a failure to cooperate. Most non-NE people believe that Brady thinks turning over the phone would have resulted in a worse punishment because he was involved.

    I personally think Goodell’s intentions are pure – protect the integrity of the game. And it’s very clear that tampering will balls after they are inspected is very different from holding, pushing off, or other game-related activity that breaks rules in order to get an advantage.

    I think the Pats have been “getting an edge” for a long time, and I think they got off easy. I hope these appeals don’t result in any changes to the outcome – unless it will be more games.

  135. I expect the Patriots to push as far as they need to to overturn the unjust Goodell punishment. It seems apparent to me that the Patriots were singled out to be embarrassed and humiliated by Goodell for something EVERY team does, as Aaron Rodgers admitted. Every team screws around with football inflation and it has been going on for years and the NFL looked the other way until 3 months ago. If the Colts did indeed complain to the NFL BEFORE the game about under-inflated footballs, then why did the NFL not confront the Patriots and just slap them with a fine for doing something every team does? Was the objective instead to engage in a ‘sting’ with the Colts to embarrass the team that everyone hates? For that alone, Goodell needs to resign. Tagliabue would have never handled things this way. He would have seen it as a minor offense that every team does, fined the Patriots and the issue would have been done. Instead Goodell has destroyed their reputation permanently, which is so incredibly disgusting.

  136. The NFL could avoid all this by simply terminating Brady’s employment for failure to cooperate with an investigation. No finding of guilt or innocence is needed.

  137. Repeating for the brain dead.

    Article 46 states that the Commisioner disciplines players regardless of what it is for. Troy Vincent cannot.

    And oh yeah in case i fogot.

    The Lombardi’s are safe!!

  138. Goodell has about as much chance of arbitrating this appeal as Kraft does becoming a Hollywood actor. At least when he’s fired, Goodell can do TV game shows and 3am infomercials.

  139. I would also want Goodell to testify why he never asked a single Saints player to hand over their cell phone as part of the far more serious Bountygate investigation but demanded Brady’s cell phone over a far less serious investigation into air pressure.
    —–
    No two investigations are the same. Your question is irrelevant. Objection overruled.

  140. marianfl24 says:
    May 16, 2015 9:38 AM
    Would LOVE for Brady to take to court,in fact I would welcome it.Brady takes to court and they will get all the emails and texts,even the ones dating back to May of 2014.Brady could end up with a much more severe penalty.
    ====================================
    Holy Crap! I bet Tom and his layers never even thought of that! I hope it’s not too late to yield to the Spanish Inquisition.

  141. marianfl24 says:
    May 16, 2015 12:17 PM
    Wacko is an appropriate name for you.YES,they can get their hands on the emails and text messages – It’s called discovery.Love these arm chair attorneys that don’t know crap !!! I know a paralegal ,you know a person that looks up laws and how they pertain to certain cases.All his emails and texts come in and even if erased can be found,along with all of the equipment guys emails and texts.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Okay…..so what’s your point?

  142. Ok. I’m officially done with NFL drama… I don’t care for it at all. I won’t buy tickets(13 years now), I won’t buy gear(about the same amount of time),
    —–
    There are millions of people that don’t watch the NFL. The NFL doesn’t care about you. But thanks for alerting everybody that you don’t care.

  143. And who signed the CBA giving Goodell all this power? Oh yeah, it was the players. Take your medicine. Do a better job negotiating next time…..also stop cheating.

  144. I wonder how long it’ll be before Brady’s sponsors (and their money) start distancing themselves from him.

  145. knotforlong says:
    May 16, 2015 10:05 AM
    yeevie13 says: May 16, 2015 9:34 AM

    If you are going to make the argument that the NFL should welcome a neutral arbitrator if they’re confident in their work then you also have to make the argument that Brady needs to turn over his phone and the Pats need to let the equipment guys speak publicly since they’re so confident that they’re innocent.
    _________________

    I agree, however that phone is probably in the bottom of the Pacific by now.

    —————————————
    knotforlong you don’t need the cell phone to get text or email conversations. But I realize you are a hater and just say anything against the Patriots.

  146. From the Wells report, note that the game in question was against the JETS! Imagine that?
    Goodell and Kensils stomping grounds. Seems like it’s been a decade at least they have been trying to set up the Patriots. What scum.

    “McNally‟s responsibilities with the Patriots previously came under review by the
    NFL in connection with an incident involving game balls in 2004. According to a letter dated
    November 2, 2004, from then-NFL Director of Game Operations Peter Hadhazy and a
    memorandum dated October 25, 2004, from Richard Farley, the NFL Security Representative
    assigned to New England, that incident involved Patriots ball boys relaying supposed “approved”
    game balls that actually were non-approved practice balls to a game official during an October
    25, 2004 regular season game.”

  147. Poor Patriot fans, they just can’t except that fact that their choir boy is a cheater…………Brady had plenty of chances to state he never had someone deflate the balls, yet when he stood at then podium at the Superbowl and was asked if he cheated, he responded, I don’t believe so…..I don’t believe so!!!!!!!! the answer would have been NO if he hadn’t done anything wrong, not Don’t believe so……HE CHEATED PATS FANS!

  148. Q4 – (:26) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right intended for R.Lockette INTERCEPTED by M.Butler at NE -1. M.Butler to NE 2 for 3 yards

    🙂

    OH THE PAIN PATRIOT HATER MUST HAVE FELT.

    SUFFER PATRIOT HATER.

    #suffer

  149. Goodell cannot accept to recuse himself, because if he does, a) he will be required to testify, and all his communications on this matter with other league employees and Wells will become part of the record, and b) the independent arbitrator will almost certainly require that all the records and communications between all other NFL employees involved, including Wells and the member of his team, to become public, because the core of the issue is Brady’s and the Patriots’ claim that the NFL “prejudged” their guilt. As it is amply clear that some NFL execs hate the Pats, it is quite likely that some damning text or e-mail will be found (or some that could be possibly read as damning, using Wells’ very same text-divination standards).

    What’s worse, none of these people can refuse to release records, after punishing Brady for the very same reason, so basically they are all screwed.

    Best scenario for Goodell, this was all concocted by and carried out by a small cadre of his underlings behind his back, in which case they will get canned, and Goodell himself may be allowed to stay, but will look utterly incompetent (more than he already does).

    Or he can stand firm, refuse arbitration, get sued in open court and exactly the same will happen, but with even less control (actual subpoenas, sworn testimony, etc). Ouch.

  150. pretty sure that Brady’s legal team understands the process of discovery far better than you armchair lawyers do, so you can quit with the “do they realize Tom’s phone would have to be turned over or the equipment guys could be called, etc”?
    Duh….some of you sound so stupid….

  151. Lawyer up all you want. Have your organization play faux-outrage and make excuses. Have your team owner call in all his chips and power to get the league to change their mind.

    Won’t matter.

    On the day you go into the HOF– what fans across the country will be talking about is that you were one of the biggest cheaters in NFL history.

  152. floratiotime says:

    May 16, 2015 9:13 AM
    It’s fun watching the guilty squirm a little bit.
    ———————————————-
    You are referring to the Roger Goodell and his cronies, right? Yeah, always enjoy that.

  153. Serious question for Patriot Hater. Totally serious.

    In all seriousness, once this punishment gets thrown out what will be the reason?

    a) Either Kraft, Belichick or Brady paid off the judge

    b) The judge is a Patriots fan.

    c) Ernie Adams mind powers made the decision

    d) No Super Bowls since Spygate lulz …WAIT…oh. Forget that one.

    d) The “secret” video screen in Gillette Stadium must be the reason..yeah that’s it.

    e) All of the above.

  154. Brady is going to take his case to court of law and expose himself and the Deflator to testimony under oath?
    I think he and the NFLPA are bluffing. Notice that Patriots and the union are putting out all their stuff into the court of public opinion, not a law court.

  155. The most damning part of the Wells Report (and perhaps the ONLY information in the report that isn’t circumstantial and easily refutable) concerns the use of the words “the deflator” by Mr. McNally to describe himself in a text message to his associate. In weighing the significance of these words, a FAIR-MINDED arbitrator, unlike an angry mob, needs to consider that McNally has spent countless hours of his life handling footballs, including both inflating and deflating footballs WITHIN SPECIFIED PARAMETERS on a routine basis. A fair-minded arbitrator, therefore, MUST consider the possibility that the self-styled moniker “the deflator” is a metaphor that would come rather EASILY to such a person if HE were trying to lose weight, even if the arbitrator has not heard of ONE other person of his acquaintance who has tried to lose weight use the term. In fact, a careful reading of the the texts reveals that, at one point, the word “deflate” is CLEARLY used as an imperative verb, i.e., a command, from one of the principals to the other to “lose weight.” In closing, I predict that a fair-minded arbitrator, i.e., someone from OUTSIDE the NFL deadquarters, will find cause to discredit the Wells Report in its entirety.

  156. Oh, are you ever delusional!! The fines and punishment that were meted out were based on the lack of cooperation from the Patriots and Tom Brady. If they want to peal back the fines and punishment, they will have to prove beyond a preponderance of evidence that they did comply with all requests, and that there was NO stonewalling. To fall short of that will grant the NFL the dismissal of any lawsuit. To compel a judge to do otherwise would take complete cooperation from the Patriots and Brady, which unfortunately for the Patriots includes the digital formats such as texts and emails.
    They will have to hand over that information if they want to PROVE the fines are unjust.
    ——————————–
    The fines and punishment are totally irrelevant, Goodell and Wells defamed Brady and the Pats and the two equipment guys, period. Beginning and end of law suit, by the end former Commisioner Goodell, disbarred lawyer Wells and some hack who used to be on the Columbia faculty will be looking for jobs. The critical task for Wells and Goodel was to prove withou weasel words what they said. If they cannot prove that, then whether what they put out is true or false it is legally defamation and the league will have to reach in their pockets.

  157. 1) The CBA gives Goodell sole authority. Brady can file what ever he wants, but Labor Union law, in the end, will prevail. And since the Union agreed to allow Goodell be the Sole Authority, then an arbitrator Judge in a law suit arguing for a different authority hold governance over that agreement will revert to the agreement. They won’t change what was agreed to by both parties & is now a legal binding contract. This is well established labor law.

    2) If, BIG IF, it made it to a Court of Law, the 1st question before the Court would be does it have access to all relevent parties & information. The 2 fired employees & phone records could be subpoenad. Also, Testimony from all employees including Belichick, Kraft and the super secret Adams would be fair game (including thier phone & email data). Obviously Brady & Team lawyers would attempt to confine the discussion to only a review of already submitted information but that request would almost certainly fail. Why? Because if they find a judge that ignores my first point, then that same judge is going to of the mindset that thier input outweighs everything previously submitted. That means they will not ignore the NFL’S argument that information has been withheld by Brady & the team…and he will side with the NFL on that point. Then, if there is any data that implicates Belichick or Kraft that they knew about Deflated footballs and worked to supress that information (any time during the investigation) or that anyone perjured in the process…at that point, laws will have been broken. I SERIOUSLY doubt this EVER goes to court. The team won’t let that happen.

  158. I think the problem with Wells is he, despite his denials, botched the investigation by putting pressure on NFL officials to change their story.

    Once he decided that the official who said he used the long-needle gauge really meant that he used the short-needle gauge because the official admitted there was a possibility he used the short-needle gauge, the investigation was ruined. That’s as improper as possible and is the same kind of techniques various DCS used during miscarriages of justice during the Daycare Moral Panic of the 1980s.

    You cannot coerce, through direct or indirect pressure, answers when you’re investigating. Yet they did, showing us (once again) using untrained investigators can screw up a wet-dream.

  159. Brady had plenty of chances to state he never had someone deflate the balls

    —-
    “Yeah, I’m very comfortable saying that nobody did it, as far as I know”

    Close enough for me! 🙂

  160. Oh yeah did I mention, Brady hired the same lawyer that Belichick hired when he dissed Goodell’s Jets. For those out there who think the CBA requires more cooperation than the Brady gave, it does not. For those think that the NFPLA has to prove anything other than violation under the CBA, you clearly are blinded by your hatred and would have come to a different conclusion if one of your sacred cows were gored. The fact is that unlike Goodell”s kangaroo court, federal court has very strict rules, including discovery no fishing trips allowed.

  161. WAAAAAAH IT’S NOT FAIR THAT MY TEAM SUCKS AND THE PATRIOTS ARE GOOD ALL THE TIME!!! WAAAAAAH DEY MUST BE CHEATING! IT’S NOT FAIR THAT WE HAVE TO WORK HARD AND MAKE OUR TEAM BETTER TO COMPETE WITH THEM! THAT’S TOO MUCH WORK!! LET’S DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO BRING THEM DOWN TO OUR LEVEL THAT WAY THOSE MEANIES WON’T BE SO UNFAIR ALL THE TIME WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.

    I would LOVE IT if Patriot Hater’s teams have the same attitude as Patriot Hater does. It would show us they just don’t get it…and we can look forward to another 15+ years of the Patriots being on top of the NFL mountain. 🙂

  162. Patriots need to file as well , the punishment was ridiculous for the only really evidence they had was taking the balls to the bathroom . a nobel prize winner proved there was no air missing .

  163. Personally I think Roger should think about the obvious plusses if he recuses himself. If he doesn’t have to hear the appeal, he can go to his favorite restaurant for a leisurely lunch. He can enjoy a tasty salad and a diet drink if he’s trying to deflate; or he can enjoy a glass of wine together with a steak sandwich and fries if he’s trying to inflate. There are many wonderful possibilities if he assigns this to someone else.

  164. holeinone09 says:
    May 16, 2015 12:09 PM

    The only thing that anyone knows for certain at this point is that Brady* and the Pats* are Cheaters*, Liars* and Whiners*. Everything else is pure conjecture and speculation.

    *

    ———

    * Super Bowl champions, winners of more Super Bowls than any other NFL team in the last 25 years, winners of more games this century than any other NFL team, home of the GOAT QB, home of one of the greatest coaches in history, home of the greatest organization in pro sports and the paragon of excellence in the modern NFL.

    I think that about covers it! 🙂

  165. Gotta love amateur and professional Patriot Apologists– they take one of the biggest hits– one of the perpetrators calling himself ‘The Deflator’– and play-act as if that is a big positive– “He was trying to lose weight!”

    It’s hilarious watching them scramble. Give them credit– it’s hard to run around while covering your ears and eyes.

  166. Brady will produce his phone the moment Ray Lewis finds that white suit.

  167. 6ball says:
    May 16, 2015 10:22 AM

    ” If Wells and the NFL are so confident about the quality of his work, why not welcome a neutral third party to handle the case? As more and more of these high-profile disciplinary cases are processed by the league, more and more members of the media and fans are realizing that the league’s obsession with stacking the deck in the appeal process conflicts sharply with notions of fundamental fairness to those whose interests are being determined by persons with no interest in being truly fair.”

    If this was tennis, that would be an ace.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    The real ace is the CBA that both sides agreed to, that asserts zero need or obligation on Goodell and the League(owners) to do anything of the sort.

  168. This gets held up. He goes on exemption list till he turns 40 and retires.

  169. floratiotime says:
    May 16, 2015 9:13 AM
    It’s fun watching the guilty squirm a little bit. This is their legacy. Cheat-to-win.

    ———————–

    How embarrassing for your teams as it’s been proven every team cheats, your problem is that it’s still not enough for you to win. You’re just destined to be losers

  170. Brady will be suspended, The Patriots will be fined and lose their draft picks, the web page the Patriots started is against the NFL constitution and much to the chagrin of Patriots fans there are 31 other owners who are tired of the Patriots cheating. Remember the play where the Patriots lined up an ineligible reciever outside the tackle box against the Ravens, what happened, 31 other owners were tired of the Patriots crap so they put in a rule to stop it. Think about it Patriots fans, Kraft owns the Patriots, not the NFL and the Patriots are in for a rude awakening when the other NFL owners support Goodell and the Patriots can’t do crap against the league and all they have done is make themselves targets in every town the play in where fans will be spitting on them, throwing beer on them, harassing them and their buses on the way to the stadium, pulling fire alarms in hotels they stay in, cutting sideline communications (like the Patriots do) and on and on and on. So Patriots fans, this is going to be a long, painful and miserable season for your team. Much to the joy of the rest of the country, Tom Shady is going to have to pay for being a cheater and he has forever labeled himself and regardless, there will be enough HOF voters who don’t buy into Brady’s BS and he just cost himself his first round HOF induction.

  171. fanofpft says:
    May 16, 2015 1:42 PM

    This gets held up. He goes on exemption list till he turns 40 and retires.

    Everyone knows Patriot Hater is very uninformed when it comes to the NFL, they prove it over and over again… but I’m more than happy to educate and inform the uninformed.

    The only thing the commissioner does with respect to the exemption list is deem a player eligible to be put there. That’s it. The player has to consent to being listed there and then team adds him. The commissioner does not put someone on the exemption list at his request.

    No..don’t thank me…I am happy to provide this service any time. 🙂

  172. sbaltimore says: May 16, 2015 12:40 PM

    I wonder how long it’ll be before Brady’s sponsors (and their money) start distancing themselves from him.
    ****
    Some of those feed up with this could speed things along with a boycott movement.

    It would most likely be as easy as that ridiculous crowd funding for Kraft.

  173. Mike just tell your readers how this works in the real business world. Both parties pick an arbitrator and the two arbitrators agree on an independent arbitrator. Conflict resolution 101.

    Goodell has already proved his choice of an investigation firm that his idea of independent can’t be relied upon.

    The fact that he wants to control the process soup to nuts is proof its all a sham.

  174. I’m not convinced that a confession from Brady would prompt the NFL to reduce his suspension. As it stands, they have been unable “to determine with absolute certainty whether there was or was not tampering”. A confession would eliminate all such doubts, and while it might win over the hearts and minds of some, it could also be used by the NFL as added justification for the current discipline.

    Some have mentioned Andy Pettitte as an example, but keep in mind that Pettitte never faced suspension for his HGH usage.

  175. The real news is that unless Goodell is replaced as the commissioner, there will be a player strike after the 2020 season for sure. All 32 owners must know by now that Roger Goodell is the most hated man for all players and will be a major obstacle for any collective bargaining agreement in 2020.

  176. “Remember the play where the Patriots lined up an ineligible reciever (sic) outside the tackle box against the Ravens, what happened, 31 other owners were tired of the Patriots crap so they put in a rule to stop it.”

    Great example.

    It was a legal play that Belichick could both think up and implement but the 31 other T-Ball teams thought it it took too much grey matter to defend. Of course, a zone defense works but then the formation forces teams out of man to man defense (Brady kills zones).

    The Colts had to push through Polian’s rule changes on defensive interference and holding because the Patriots whee beating them and Manning bad back in the day. It seems the refs weren’t seeing it Polian’s way so he got a rule change.

    Harbaugh ran out on the field crying because Belichick outsmarted him, coming back from two 14-point deficits (must have been the balls).

    The Colts, knowing they couldn’t beat the Patriots in the next game complained about them playing with balls with less than regulation air even though the Colts balls also tested below the minimum at half-time and the Colts actually played the whole game with balls tested below 12.5 psi (per the Wells report) and the Patriots did for just one-half.

    That’s right, deflategate is about trying to put the Patriots in a position where the smarts of Brady and Belichick can’t make NFL parity look like a sick joke. Rule changes weren’t deemed enough so they docked draft choices and suspended Brady.

    Go to the head of the class.

  177. I heard that Brady intends to get a nose job. Apparently, it has been growing so long it’s poking everyone in the eye.

  178. This will not end well for Goddell. He has bungled this so badly, and Brady’s lawyers will rip him and the ridiculously costly and unnecessary Wells Report to shreds. All Goddell needed to do once this whole deflate gate brouhaha took on it’s own life via the media was to announce a tightening up of WHO handles game balls before a game and, more importantly, HOW they are handled. The NFL clearly got caught here with their pants down with what is now clearly known as a half-assed manner in which game balls are handled. If game balls were not inflated to the regulation PSI, this is NOT Brady’s fault, nor the Patriots fault, the blame should rest squarly on laxidasical referees who simply were not paying attention to such things. Again, NOT Tom Brady’s fault. This will end up being the final nail in the coffin of Roger Goddell’s days term as commissioner. His incompetence in handling scandals which has more often than not made mountains out of molehills has left a huge black eye on the NFL and the careers of several of its finest players.

  179. little tommy knows he can’t bring this to court if his suspension is upheld. He would be forced to turn over his phone and records so he is trying to do everything he can to take Goodell out of making the decision. Poor little Tommie the cheater.

  180. McNally is going to be Brady’s best witness:
    The smoking gauge:
    Forget the logos.How can anybody forget whether the needle was bent or not? Best guess is he tested with the low reading gauge meaning that the balls were possibly higher than tested for. All McNally did was correct the error. That is they were all set to 12.5 by Tom’s gauge.This would also bring the Colt’s balls closer to the ideal gas law predictions. My guess is Walt knew and Mr. Wells is lying. Please release Anderson’s transcript. If Anderson tested with the higher measuring gauge they were all possibly lower than tested (Pat’s balls underinflated from the getgo).
    Why didn’t Wells rig a manometer and test each gauge to verify the deviation of each from the true pressure when the manometer was set at 13.00 psi? Did he really need exponent or did he need a smokescreen? Kraft’s professor should turn in his Nobel since he ignored the “damning” conclusion that the differential pressure drop of the Colts’ balls was about half that of the Pats’ balls.
    The smoking gauge in this mess is Brady’s (McNally’s gauge). They are still out there and simple manometer test will show the deviation of all three gauges from the true pressure provided by the manometer set at 13.00 psi.
    Please note, Brady did nothing but demand balls inflated at 12.5 psi (not underinflated). It was McNally’s job to do so. At no time were the balls underinflated except if Anderson messed up (using a gauge that read higher then the true pressure).

  181. Pats fans should also be banned from making comments until the 5th game. Apples don’t fall far from the tree and their hypocrisy, deflecting spew is merit less no matter the subject.

  182. That’s right, deflategate is about trying to put the Patriots in a position where the smarts of Brady and Belichick can’t make NFL parity look like a sick joke.

    If Lady and Belicheat were that smart they wouldn’t get caught cheating…

    over and over and over and over.

    Serial cheaters.

    Check the fumbling stats, they prove the Pats have been cheating ever since the rule change.

  183. It should be noted that the owners met privately during Bountygateate to appoint Tagliabue to extract them from the mess that Goodell had caused. Goodell had nothing to do with Tag’s appointment, he had already retreated to his familiar spot under his desk.

    As for the lawsuit, why not? Deflategate is already being bungled at every turn and even the courts have seen the error of the NFL’s ways.

  184. cooperspur says: May 16, 2015 3:20 PM

    Pats fans should also be banned from making comments until the 5th game. Apples don’t fall far from the tree and their hypocrisy, deflecting spew is merit less no matter the subject.

    —-
    Translation: I don’t like what those meanie Patriot fans have to say so I don’t wanna see their comments waaaaaah

    #uCantHandleTheTruth
    #WeOwnTheNFL
    #WeOwnU
    #urteamisinferior
    #urteamisNotOnOurLevel

  185. Would a Brady lawsuit be limited to resolving his suspension? Or could it also overturn the draft picks and $1M fine?

  186. Why do people think that Brady doesn’t know his phone could be come part of the process? He knows it. And he is still moving forward with this. That alone should make the NFL and all you haters very nervous. It means he has something substantial to counter with. It’s like playing poker, you don’t throw all your cards on the table right away

  187. I guess the pucker factor must be really going up if one Pats fan felt the need to post 27 times! Yes cheating can make people get nervous, but as a Pats fan you should be accustom to the way of the Cheetos.

  188. Comparing this with the Saints suspensions is ludicrous…. The only way Brady could prove that the Wells report was wrong is if he turned over his phone….. He can’t do that….. He won’t do that……. He doesn’t want to show he’s been doctoring the footballs since 06…… That is exactly what his phone proves so you can bet the phone will never be evidence……if this actually ends up in federal court they would subpoena all of his phone records so he might threaten this but he’ll never let it get that far. He will settle with less of a sentence of course so he may end up with only a 3 game suspension and that’s only if the league allows it to settle…..if Goodell decides to allow this in federal court Brady could and would end up in a much longer suspension so you may hear him threaten it, but it’s never heard in a Federal court. I’m sure Kessler explains this so Brady might bark but that’s as far as it gets. He knows once proof surfaces where it’s happened more than one game, it reopens the penalty phase. He could end up suspended a year or longer…. He’s dumb, but not that dumb!

  189. I believe the Pats organization has to file a separate grievance in regards to the draft picks & fine…not sure but believe that’s the process….they may piggy back off Brady’s suit…

    If Kraft does file, the crap has really hit the fan!!!!

  190. Brady deserved to be suspended, but Goodell deserves to be accountable and hopefully one day, fired. However this comes out, we win.

  191. NEWS FLASH … I figured out why Brady wouldn’t turn over relevant text messages to Wells…because there are no relevant text messages to a crime he didn’t commit.

  192. A few legal matters:

    1. In order to go to federal court, Brady will need to show he “exhausted his administrative remedies.” That means he will need to go through the “appeal” (haha) process first.

    2. Judging by the reference to the Bountygate proceedings, it does sound like it might be a winning tactic for the NFLPA to file a lawsuit seeking to make Goodell recuse himself (in other words, formally take himself out of the role as the person hearing the appeal).

    3. In some ways, Brady might actually be better off with having Goodell hear the appeal. Not because Goodell appears to have any notion of fairness (it is almost stunningly obtuse that he has chosen to hear the appeal himself), but because it would give Brady a leg up in his court case. A federal judge would almost certainly find Goodell’s appointment of himself as evidence of bias or, at a minimum, a severe lack of basic administrative fairness.

    4. For all those who are excited about the idea of Brady having to produce texts, emails, phone records in a court case (which is right), imagine the evidence that Brady’s side will be able to get:
    a. Any emails/texts/notes to the NFL office that show when and how the NFL office learned about a complaint from the Colts about the balls;
    b. Any emails/texts from Walt Anderson or other referees about their recollections;
    c. Emails/texts from Mike Kensil, in particular — it is hard to believe that those would not turn up evidence of him leaking to the media and/or gloating over the incident, for example. Joking texts that read as damaging can cut both ways.
    d. Goodell’s emails and texts.

    5. The big question will be whether Ted Wells can keep all of his communications and deliberations secret (attorney-client or related privilege). He may be able to, but it’s possible a federal court would allow significant access to the “sausage being made.”

    Moving away from this particular episode, Goodell’s approach (himself as judge, jury, executioner) has not been good for the product. If the public starts to think the game is rigged, it’s not a good thing. Arguably, though, his bumbling doesn’t matter — the game is so popular it is idiot-commissioner proof at this point.

  193. wallybarnacle >

    Wouldn’t Ref Anderson had checked both teams balls with that same gauge? And if you state McNally may had just corrected any misreading. However he was not to touch game balls after the Refs measurements. And to only assist them by carrying them escorted to the field.

  194. Why do so few understand that the subject of the lawsuit would have nothing to do with the merits of the Wells report/whether the balls were actually deflated by the Patriots? The presiding judge won’t make such finding–thereby making the contents of Brady’s phone; the correct scientific analysis; etc., wholly irrelevant.

    Labor law just isn’t that exciting.

  195. Just in case anyone forgot!!

    The Lombardi’s are safe!!!

    No jealous fan s of teams that can’t compete with the Patriots can change that.

    Goodell blew it again.

    This is his waterloo.

    Even the owners will turn on a loser who has every discipline case overturned.

  196. You Pat’s fans can whine,grasp at straws,lie,and just be flat out delusional – In the end Brady will still be suspended !! Nobody really cares about your precious Lombardi’s,it’s how the Pat’s got them.They will forever be known as cheaters and there is nothing you or anyone else can do about it.Face it,you are supporting a classless team that doesn’t know the meaning of integrity !

  197. Wow, these idiots have eaten too much chowda! Brady may get his suspension changed, recover draft picks for his team and avoid the fine. BUT… His legacy is that of a cheater…period. He is the Lance Armstrong of football. Everyone knows it accept the lobster brains of New England. You’re hilarious to the end.

  198. fanofpft asked: “Wouldn’t Ref Anderson had checked both teams balls with that same gauge?”

    Seems like that would be the case, but then at halftime the two officials inadvertently swapped gauges after measuring the Patriots footballs. Considering that those measurements were made under far greater scrutiny than the pregame measurements, it’s at least possible that Anderson might have done the same thing.

  199. Most Games Won
    6 Pittsburgh, IX-X, XIII-XIV, XL, XLIII
    5 San Francisco, XVI, XIX, XXIII-XXIV, XXIX
    Dallas, VI, XII, XXVII-XXVIII, XXX
    4 Green Bay, I-II, XXXI, XLV
    New England, XXXVI, XXXVIII-XXXIX, XLIX
    3 Oakland/L.A. Raiders, XI, XV, XVIII
    Washington, XVII, XXII, XXVI
    N.Y. Giants, XXI, XXV, XLII

    See if you find your team here.

    Awww too bad : (

    Maybe next year.

  200. That last post my friends to clarify.

    33 SB wins in 49 years by 8 Franchises.

    During the salary cap era.

    New England has 4
    Pittsburgh 2
    New York 2
    Green Bay 1

    Pittsburgh is the first team to make steroids a part of their traing program.
    Jerry Rice aka Mr Sticum takes 2 victories away from SF.

    The Lombardi’s are safe!!!

  201. Tee hee 🙂 Look at Patriot Hater try to pat themselves on the back and try to convince themselves that everything is ok 🙂

    Just wait till the lawsuit is filed and the suspension is eliminated! Gloating and rubbing it in about that is going to be just as fun as gloating about the Super Bowl! You know… the one where Malcolm Butler ripped the hearts out of Patriot Hater and ate them all! 🙂

  202. jld62 says: May 16, 2015 6:24 PM

    fanofpft asked: “Wouldn’t Ref Anderson had checked both teams balls with that same gauge?”

    Seems like that would be the case, but then at halftime the two officials inadvertently swapped gauges after measuring the Patriots footballs. Considering that those measurements were made under far greater scrutiny than the pregame measurements, it’s at least possible that Anderson might have done the same thing.
    ****
    OK Ty I would think so also. One thing though. If you are going to taking the higher readings for the pats balls then you must do the same for the colts.

    And it looks like that would make the depreciates even more off balance.

  203. “The big question will be whether Ted Wells can keep all of his communications and deliberations secret (attorney-client or related privilege). He may be able to, but it’s possible a federal court would allow significant access to the “sausage being made.””

    Wells can’t be both independent investigator and counsel to the NFL in this matter.

    All investigative evidence and correspondence should be discoverable to the arbitrator and to a presiding judge, including engagement letters, emails, drafts, and any potential conflicts of interest. Because Well’s hired the expert, not the NFL, I would expect all drafts of their reports and correspondence with them would also be discoverable.

    What do say you Florio.

  204. There are precedents that should tell us whether Wells’ work product is discoverable.

  205. You fools have got to be kidding someone, because nobody on this planet is stupid enough to beleive the NE Cheaters new lie. Yes, I’m told they called the ball boy the deflator, because he wanted to loose weght. You must obviously beleive everyone is as stupid as a NE Cheater. Honesty and integrity are obviously not your strong points

  206. Ask your self this simple thing.
    Why would a billionaire like Kraft go full bore like this. ‘saving face’ is not enough.

    Nothing happened. Sad to say, but it is that simple. No conspiracy, no eggheads knowing how to suck .5 PSI out of a football, not undercover of the night anything.

    If you look at the Pats reaction to this it is pretty obvious they didn’t take it seriously at all in the first 48 hours until the sport pundits ran with it and turned it into a thing. Examples – Gronk making jokes, Edelman poking fun…you know the Pats mantra right? If this was real, gag order city.
    Now Kraft was gonna play nice guy -until the stupid happened. The punishment was crazy-and I think most people would agree when they are not wearing their homer hats. the team gets exonerated in the report and gets a first, fourth and million dollar fine? Huh? So the team is innocent but we will still kick you in the nads cuz..spygate? Isn’t that double jeopardy?
    There is nothing pointing to Tom so..4 games?

    Kraft has now entered not the ‘protect the house’ mode, he has entered what good CEO’s do. Crush the enemy. Kraft wouldn’t risk this action if he thought he would lose. They are not afraid of Brady’s phone. They are not afraid of well, anything. When that website went up the other day…think about it…what franchise has ever done such a thing? That was a direct attack on the league. Kraft is a team player. He has made all the franchises a ton of money between the CBA and the TV deal. Yes thank Bob Kraft for having a year of football that wasn’t a strike. Thank him again for all the wonderful football you get to watch on TV. Now this business man is going to punch that in the face. For CEO’s to do this–it is really unprecedented. Goodell lost his job this week. It may take a year, or two, but the next thing he screws up, it will be his last.

    Look, the front office is screwed up. It’s all over the Wells report.
    It was all over football last year from Baltimore, to Dallas, to Minnesota.
    The concussion case and PR, former player issues…it goes on and on.
    Its all over the procedures of the office when it came to the discipline. How does a multibillion dollar corporation not know that the guy they sent to do the sentencing by rule couldn’t? Does that sound like a front office that has it’s act together? Did the 800 lawyers they have not read the CBA?
    That is embarrassing.

    But the reality is the damage is done. People believe what they hear first, not facts. That people still talk about the fumble thing is a proof of that, or that 75% of America thought Iraq had WMDs. Now even if exonerated, it won’t matter. Brady will be tarnished. If exonerated I hope he turns around and sues the bleep out of the NFL for defamation.

  207. Please don’t tell me deflategate couldn’t have helped the patriots win for the last decade during the regular season, playoffs and sb.. It definitely can. Tom Deflady couldn’t play within the rules and now is legacy is tainted. There are 50 other winning superbowl teams and the pats are the only team (although not shown in the record books) with asterisks amongst the people around the world. A SHAME!

  208. Finally, to all you delusional NE cheater fans, “put up or shut up.” Produce the required PROOF, and quit the smoke screens and fairy tales. ( But you just wanns play mind games.)

    Brady should have got a years suspension, and all your Superbowl forfitted.

  209. I’ll say one thing against Kraft. He wanted this buffoon as commissioner because he was the owners’ boy and not truly independent. They didn’t want a strong commissioner that might actually act in the best interests of all stakeholders (owners, players, fans, communities).

    When he screwed up they covered for him; not just Kraft, all the owners. The overreaches by Goodell never got a real push back from the majority of owners; instead, they gave him even greater financial reward because they were making money. In a weakened position after the Ray Rice and Petersen cases the Vincent Team carries out an investigation of the Patriots that is a nightmare of errors and omissions. So Goodell tries to look like the “Enforcer”. Kraft, having already had this fool taint his team’s and his legacy with one foolish decision with Spygate isn’t going to let this bs go by unanswered. A strong commissioner would have protected he shield, not hid behind it.

  210. wallybarnacle says:
    May 16, 2015 3:09 PM

    McNally is going to be Brady’s best witness:
    The smoking gauge:
    Forget the logos.How can anybody forget whether the needle was bent or not? Best guess is he tested with the low reading gauge meaning that the balls were possibly higher than tested for. All McNally did was correct the error. That is they were all set to 12.5 by Tom’s gauge.This would also bring the Colt’s balls closer to the ideal gas law predictions. My guess is Walt knew and Mr. Wells is lying. Please release Anderson’s transcript. If Anderson tested with the higher measuring gauge they were all possibly lower than tested (Pat’s balls underinflated from the getgo).
    Why didn’t Wells rig a manometer and test each gauge to verify the deviation of each from the true pressure when the manometer was set at 13.00 psi? Did he really need exponent or did he need a smokescreen? Kraft’s professor should turn in his Nobel since he ignored the “damning” conclusion that the differential pressure drop of the Colts’ balls was about half that of the Pats’ balls.
    The smoking gauge in this mess is Brady’s (McNally’s gauge). They are still out there and simple manometer test will show the deviation of all three gauges from the true pressure provided by the manometer set at 13.00 psi.
    Please note, Brady did nothing but demand balls inflated at 12.5 psi (not underinflated). It was McNally’s job to do so. At no time were the balls underinflated except if Anderson messed up (using a gauge that read higher then the true pressure).

    =======================

    You made the case with the “All McNally did was correct the error.” statement. It’s not his error to correct. Even if he deflated them within legal limits the violation is the same. You can’t alter the balls IN ANY WAY after the ref’s approve them. Tom was pissed after the Jets game. He unloaded on McNally. McNally says (via text) F-Tom. He knows the position he’s in and that he’ll be thrown under the bus if caught. Technically the act of entering the restroom (urinal or no urinal) with the balls is a violation. The science is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is if they can show that it’s likely Brady instructed McNally to do it or not. Wells thinks he has.

  211. They didn’t need Brady’s phone because any text from him to McNally or Jastremski would be on their phones. The NFL is incompetent, if they suspected fou play they should have assigned someone to the balls from the get go. They didn’t because they wanted this fiasco to happen.

  212. “You made the case with the “All McNally did was correct the error.” statement. It’s not his error to correct. Even if he deflated them within legal limits the violation is the same. You can’t alter the balls IN ANY WAY after the ref’s approve them. Tom was pissed after the Jets game. He unloaded on McNally. McNally says (via text) F-Tom. He knows the position he’s in and that he’ll be thrown under the bus if caught. Technically the act of entering the restroom (urinal or no urinal) with the balls is a violation. The science is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is if they can show that it’s likely Brady instructed McNally to do it or not. Wells thinks he has.”

    Your post in is error in so may ways its just sad. He said that McNally turned the balls over to to Anderson at 12.5 psi. However, if McNally’s gage was not calibrated correct and Anderson’s gage was not calibrated correct the balls could have started lower. (i.e., Pat’s balls underinflated from the getgo) and that’s on Anderson and the NFL, not on an absurd theory that a guy adjusted 11 balls in 100 seconds that an NFL ref couldn’t do in 15 (excuse me, 13) minutes.

    Sometimes a simple explanation is worth considering.

    Why is that guys that use all caps (or use grandiose monikers) are usually full of something other than knowledge.

  213. Brady’s word selection during interview with Bob Costas before the Super Bowl speaks volumes about his involvement:

    Costas: “Another question frequently asked, whether it be an equipment guy, a ball boy, whatever — hard to believe that that person wouldn’t deflate the ball beneath 12.5, the minimum allowable, without at least having the notion that that’s how Tom Brady wants it, whether you told him that or not. Is that a fair assumption?”

    Brady: “Absolutely, I think that’s — absolutely — you know, I could understand why people feel that way. You know, there’s an investigation going on. I’m sure all the things will come out. It’s been a lot of speculation. And I think that’s what led to my hurt feelings. You know, hopefully the facts come out. And — you know, we understand that — you know, whatever happened, happened. And you know, it’s not going to have an effect on this game. And you know, we can move forward.”

    Costas: “And what I hear you saying is, no matter what may or may not have happened, you had no prior knowledge of it.”

    Brady: “I…you know, look, I’ve talked about that in the past, and I don’t want that to continue to be a story about this particular game. All the facts will come out after the Super Bowl, and however those facts come out, you know, that will be news to me as well. So that process will all take place at some point. I’m excited about the Super Bowl, and that’s where my energy is. I think there was a little bit of an energy drain, like I said, with my emotions and feelings being involved earlier in the week, but, you know, I’ve got to be able to move past those things and compartmentalize those things, and be mentally tough enough to go out there try to shine through.”

    After the Wells report released:

    Don Yee, Brady’s agent, said they didn’t turnover Brady’s phone data because they felt Wells would have “looked at the material skeptically”. Essentially, he confesses that there are text messages on Brady’s phone regarding under-inflated footballs that COULD be perceived “skeptically”. Yee’s comment effectively admits that the material wasn’t turned over because it wouldn’t have supported Brady’s position.

    Then, you have the text messages from ‘Dumb’ & ‘Dumber’ texting back and forth with a pretty much full disclosure of incriminating evidence. Then, the Patriots fire them but also choose to defend them…which you must be an idiot if you think that will make sense to anyone reviewing the case.

    At this stage, Brady is playing a poker, hoping his bluff doesn’t get called. He’s gambling that the threat of a lawsuit will result in the same outcome as the Saints’ Bountygate suit…where Tagliabue was assigned to the case and proceeded to overturn Goodell’s findings & punishments. But, given the fact that Goodell went that route last time & was embarrassed by the results…who really thinks he will do the same thing twice?? He won’t…and there is no legal reason Goodell needs to relinquish his control. Pats fans, tell yourself whatever you want…but the rest of us have a pretty good idea how this will end. He’s screwed. I just wish they could tack punishment on for being stupid enough to fight it.

  214. Doesn’t change a thing. Doesn’t matter what the balls PSI (uh-oh, more caps) was prior to the game. Doesn’t matter what gauge was used. The vast majority of the Wells report is to be thorough for CYA (more caps) sake and of course, billable hours. You can call it an absurd theory all you want, it’s still less absurd than a chubby guy calling himself “The Deflator” because he’s trying to lose weight. If he altered the ball post inspection/approval it’s a violation. Taking them out of view between approval and the field of play is a violation. If Brady instructed him to do it, the punishment is valid. I don’t care either way. It should never have escalated this far in the first place. I think the protocol should change to prevent these types of accusations in the future, but also that this has become a gigantic fiasco for no reason other than the protection of all ego’s involved. NOT to protect the integrity of the game.

    Oh, and all caps is used to emphasize that SPECIFIC ASPECT of the statement.

  215. Your post in is error in so may ways its just sad. He said that McNally turned the balls over to to Anderson at 12.5 psi. However, if McNally’s gage was not calibrated correct and Anderson’s gage was not calibrated correct the balls could have started lower. (i.e., Pat’s balls underinflated from the getgo) and that’s on Anderson and the NFL, not on an absurd theory that a guy adjusted 11 balls in 100 seconds that an NFL ref couldn’t do in 15 (excuse me, 13) minutes.

    Sometimes a simple explanation is worth considering.

    Why is that guys that use all caps (or use grandiose monikers) are usually full of something other than knowledge.
    ****
    Your stating that Anderson may have used a gauge that read higher. Therefore he inadvertently let out air of both teams balls.

    Later on at half time they used the same gauge. However they also used a gauge that read lower. This gauge would have then made up for that higher/lower reading.

  216. P= Patriots
    F= Football
    T= Talk
    Hey Florio, time to rename your website… It’s the only topic that gets hits LOL…. Pretty soon Kraft will be getting royalties!!?
    I absolutly LOVE that the Patriots OWN so many poor lost souls of other franchises…. I mean they circle like Gulls just waiting for your next crumb to flock to…
    Freakin riot!!!
    Go Pats!!!

  217. I can name 31 teams who would pay $1.75 million in fines, 3 draft picks , and suspend their star QB for 4 games in exchange for 4 Lombardies.
    Fans would have to defend their teams til the day they die on message boards if they felt a need to justify the titles. Of if they were comfortable with it they would just ignore **** talk steered their way and enjoy the titles.
    I thought Colts were gonna lose a draft pick for planting evidence ,and some agreed with me. Now after digesting all info this is just a huge black eye for Pats and NFL.
    If Brady is in streetclothes for the Pittsburg season opener NFL fans will never forget that. And this seems likely. Goddell is in a lose/lose situation.
    I wonder if Belichick runs risk of suspension if Brady cell phone records are dissected ?

  218. I love the forever aspect of this taint. Patriots homers will be defending this forever. This Patriots era will always be tainted like McGuire and Bonds.

    It is glorious.

  219. “dumbaseinstien says:
    May 16, 2015 10:14 PM

    Brady’s word selection during interview with Bob Costas before the Super Bowl speaks volumes about his involvement:”

    Pretty good post on this but too long and blowhardy to post the whole thing again.

    First point he was he wasn’t expecting or i’m sure cared for a question like that after ripping seahawk fans hearts out in that improbabale way. i think like everyone that with the ball on the 1 that it was not only “more probable than not” but almost a certainty. that the Patriots were going to lose the SB.

    He should have simply asked. Did you tell the ball boys to break the rules? He had already answered that. Don’t be like Wells and do your “independent” investigation and not post his comments from the press conference where he said he “would never tell anyone to break the rules”. Or,
    have you ever knowingly played with balls below 12.5 psi in a game. Answer “NO”

    Finally The Lombardi’s are safe!!! Next post I’ll share how the Win Lose totals for the last 14 seasons including playoffs. That will really piss off you jealous haters.

  220. Obviously the Patriots, their lawyers an the NFLPA realize Brady will have to turn over his phone. Deleted messages or not there is records of all communications kept by the phones service provider. The irony is that at the federal level Goodell, Kensil, Vincent, Grigson, Blandino will all probably have to turn over their devices seeing that the NFLPA is accusing them of collusion.

    PS do a simple google search of deflate belly, might surprise a lot of people who are so easily offended.

  221. What good is a lawsuit? By the time any verdict is passed Mr. Brady will have served his suspension and most probably be retired.
    Fact is minicamps have already sprung up around the league and the Patriots’ first game just three and a half months away.
    Sorry, but the NFL figured this out long ago. First, they waited until the draft was over and right before the minicamps started, and then had Mr. Vincent hand down the punishment anticipating an appeal.
    The NFL has been one step ahead of Mr. Brady and Patriots all along.

  222. Corrects my fellow Patriot fan.

    Any lawsuit filed in court will not re-investigate the Wells report.

    It will deal with delegation of authority and precedence.

    Goodell league officials walt anderson Ted Wells Troy Vincent and others will need to surrender all texts and e’mails relevant to the case.

    Brady and the NFLPA won’t sue because they don’t like the ridiculous fings in Wells hatcet job report. Read the letter the NFLPA sent Vincent when filing the appeal. That is what the lawsuit will deal with.

  223. Brady and the NFLPA won’t sue because they don’t like the ridiculous fings in Wells hatcet job report. Read the letter the NFLPA sent Vincent when filing the appeal. That is what the lawsuit will deal with.
    ===
    The letter included a point contending that Wells failed prove anything.

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