NFL leaks disagreement with Patriots on circumstances for re-interviewing witnesses

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Last week’s stunning events in #DeflateGate, with an Angry Ted Wells conference call followed by a Ted Kaczynski-style manifesto from the Patriots, ultimately may be a pair of sparklers in comparison to the fireworks that will fly this week, as a quarterly ownership meeting looms.

From the team’s perspective, owner Robert Kraft has gone on the record with Peter King of TheMMQB.com, saying plenty and not saying plenty more. From the league’s perspective, the week has commenced with a leak to Ben Volin of the Boston Globe in response to the team’s position that the failure to produce Jim McNally for another interview did not amount to failure to cooperate.

The Patriots contend that they made McNally available multiple times to the NFL, and that before his lengthy interview as part of the independent investigation/special prosecution Ted Wells and company had access to all of the text messages about which they wanted to question McNally in a second interview. The Patriots believe Wells agreed that witnesses wouldn’t be made available for a second interview absent “unanticipated circumstances,” such as the discovery of new evidence.

Here’s what the NFL leaked to Volin on Sunday night: “The investigators did not agree with [Dan Goldberg’s] characterizations in his e-mails and made clear after hearing out all of Dan’s arguments that they considered the Patriots in violation of the duty to cooperate. This is not like a normal piece of litigation, and if an investigator misses a piece of evidence he has an absolute obligation to follow up on the evidence. The subject of the investigation cannot hide behind technical procedural arguments, especially when the investigators disagree that there ever was an agreement.”

If that’s the case, and as Volin notes, Ted Wells needs to say so publicly. He already had a chance to do that last Thursday night in comments to Bart Hubbuch of the New York Post, but Wells didn’t. Instead, Wells contradicted his own report — and said nothing about the absence of an agreement that witnesses wouldn’t be questioned a second time based on evidence that Wells had in his files before the first investigation.

Apart from whether Wells agreed to have only one bite out of each apple (which is an extremely common reality in all forms of litigation), the fact that Wells and company flat-out missed two key text messages in which McNally uses the term “deflator” and “deflate” speaks to a lack of competence that the NFL should regard as troubling. Any first-year practicing lawyer knows that, before conducting a major interview in any case, it’s critical to know everything about the person being interviewed.

When documents are available to be reviewed before the interview, the task is simple: Review every single one of them. Twice. When a lawyer is being paid by the hour, there’s no incentive to skip steps — and there’s no incentive to rush through the process of putting eyes on each word appearing on every sheet of paper.

Even if Wells and company somehow missed the documents (which is embarrassing in and of itself), they easily could have done a text search for any words or partial words of interest (like “deflat-“) to pull up any overlooked documents. Regardless, the failure to spot those critical text messages before the first official interview with McNally would be regarded by many lawyers as malpractice.

So here’s the bigger question the NFL surely won’t be asking itself as it processes the failure of Ted Wells and his team to find two of the most critical text messages before their first interview of the most critical witness in the case: If Wells missed seeing such obvious and important documents, what else has he missed?

235 responses to “NFL leaks disagreement with Patriots on circumstances for re-interviewing witnesses

  1. Goodell has no rules, he makes everything up as he goes.

    Docked Skins and Cowboys for letting players go when there wasn’t a cap.

    Ruled that S Peyton is guilty for not knowing about bets, while is fine w/ BB not knowing about balls. NE got off easy.

    An adult that has a drink loses a year of playing time.

    Pot heads get either 2, 4, 0r 6 game suspensions.

    Of all the sports sites I read 90% of the fans & writers dislike Goodell yet he’s untouchable. So we are stuck loving a game while fuming about how its run.

  2. A leak from the NFL offices. be still my heart!!! Wonder why Tom Brady would not share he cell phone contents with the HMS NFL which has more leaks than the Titanic!!!

  3. I’ll tell you what he missed.

    Tom Brady taking the garbage report and sticking it up the NFL’s ass.

    They had their chance to get this right. Too late. Now the dominant dynasty will have their way with Wells, the NFL, Kensil, and the lying morons Goodell & Blandino.

    #nowyiscantleave

  4. Extra points to Florio for this:

    “a Ted Kaczynski-style manifesto from the Patriots”

    LOL its so funny because it’s so true

  5. Is it me or is the NFL office ALWAYS leaking info?????????????? Seriously, who in their right mind would ever trust these guys? Bunch of clowns.

  6. The NFL messed this up with misinformation, leaked false facts, etc. etc. That doesn’t even include the wrong conclusion, the biased report, etc. etc. Of course they are gonna publicly disagree with the party that is objectively disagreeing with them. Goodell has to cover this up somehow.

  7. History will place larger asterisks on any Patriot accomplishment the longer this goes on. Pats fans can deny that, but they are only 1 of 32 fan bases, and the majority opinion will rule. The Pats web site rebuttal was laughable.

  8. Explain why Wells agreed with EVERYTHING Walt Coleman said except witch gauge he used. Coleman said “to the best of his knowledge ” he used the gauge with the Wilson logo to the best of his knowledge. Wells chose to believe everything Coleman said except that. The air lost in the balls falls in line with the gas law based the Wilson gauge but wells chose NOT to believe him.

  9. In 2012 Robert Kraft became the first NFL owner in the 43 year history of the honor to be selected for the “George Halas Award” by Pro Football Writers of America. The award is presented annually to the NFL player, coach, or staff member who overcome the most adversity to succeed. In regards to Roger Goodell’s job as NFL Commissioner, please read the September, 2104 article “Goodell Doesn’t Deserve His Job” by Mark Wiedmer sports writer. That is if you want to leave no stones unturned, or just keep the lynch mob mentality in place until the end because, it goes very well with Roger Goodell’s philosophy.

  10. Framegate, Railroadgate continue at full speed ahead.

    The more that comes out the more Wells and his report are confirmed as the total sham they are.

    Have to give Wells credit, if you’re going to be a con man be a highly paid con man.

  11. Wells has manipulated the process and the report to try to prove a predetermined conclusion. This both unethical and unprofessional. This guy is a disgrace.
    Google him and see his bio if you want some insight on him. He has represented people who want you to believe that second hgand tobacco smoke won’t hurt you and that exposure to asbestos isn’t the reason for people’s health problems. And oh yeah he also represented Johnson and Johnson, the company owned by Woody the owner of the J E T S .
    This guy appears to do anything for the money and integrity and truth are nothing but impediments to be overcome to achieve his aims.
    And the “impartial” Roger “Captain Kangaroo” Goodell goes right along with it.

  12. I’m shocked that there is leaked information that is not being release through official channels.

    This investigation has more leaks in it than a sieve.

  13. If nothing else, these “leaks” by the NFL office have GOT to stop.

    It must infuriate the owners to no end that Gooddell is sanctioning these leaks, which have been never-ending since Day One of Deflategate.

    He’s hanging himself with all these leaks

  14. Move on Pats fans … you’re rooting for a corrupt organization. Sorry, but they cheated on you … and everyone else.

  15. “The subject of the investigation cannot hide behind technical procedural arguments, especially when the investigators disagree that there ever was an agreement”

    Sounds like once again it’s the NFL, not the Patriots, doing the hiding behind cryptic statements from unnamed sources. If there really was a one interview agreement, Goodell has no basis to take away draft picks or levy that absurd fine since the report cleared the organization of wrongdoing by pointing at squarely Brady.

  16. The Kraft family have donated over 100 million dollars to a variety of philanthropic causes, including education, child and women’s issues, healthcare, youth sports and American and Israeli causes. Stop the hate and slander.

  17. This is a perfect example of why Brady did not give his personal phone records to Wells – he had no confidence that the NFL would not leak them.

    As the ringleader of this mess Roger Goodell needs to go sooner rather than later.

  18. Not a Pats fan; but, I am so sick of this and the way the NFL has bungled this whole scenario that I am not rooting for the Pats to win this one.

    Goodell is a highly incompetent and needs to go.

  19. This seems to me to come down to what role was Ted Wells playing.

    Was he a lawyer taking depositions for a case? If so, he gets one shot to get all of the information he needs from a subject.

    Was he a detective building a case? If so, he could go back to a subject as many times as he wants as new facts are developed. There is no limit to how many times a detective can interview a witness or suspect. Of course, the witness or subject has the right to refuse to talk without that refusal being used against them.

    Either way, IMO, Wells is wrong. If he was acting in the first role, he should not have gone back and asked for a second deposition. He should have made sure he got what he needed the first time. If he was acting in the second role, he should NOT have held the fact that the subject refused to submit to subsequent interviews against them, which he clearly did.

  20. Been amazing to see all the owners who have come out in support of the Patriots. Oh wait….

  21. The NFL HQ Stingers only checked 4 Colts balls at half of the AFC Championship Game (obviously they saw the trend– that one ref’s recordings consistently showed psi loss and underinflated balls comparable to the Pats’, thus negating their key contention) even though they had enough time to do so- nobody believes the game start excuse. This reveals a Get ‘Em At Any Cost Even If It Means Falsifying Evidence sting operation by Goodell minion Kensil and. OF COURSE Wells ignored anything that didn’t fit the conclusion that Kensil/Goodell/Irsay/Goodell instructed!

  22. Regardless if he missed something its pretty obvious the pats were and are hiding something. What team refuses a second meeting with Wells regarding a ball attendant? I’ll answer : a guilty one. I hope this gets drawn into court then people will see Brady’s texts and I would be willing to bet there are texts to Belicheat as well making him complicit as well. I believe when reality hits the team will back away from all this bluster because they have been embarrassing themselves thus far with lame excuses. The deflator…Bwahahahah!

  23. A number of people have suggested that Goodell is simply doing his job and Brady/Patriots have only themselves to blame. They have rightly pointed out that “more probable than not” is the NFL’s burden of proof in assigning blame for violations.
    To these people, I want to say two things: First, the Wells Report failed to establish that a violation actually occurred, as the science demonstrated the deflation levels in Patriots footballs were within the range that could be explained by atmospheric conditions. Therefore, how can you go about assigning guilt on a preponderance of the evidence basis when you don’t even know if there is a violation for which someone can be guilty for (Can you charge someone with murder without knowing that someone is dead?); Second, Brady and/or the Patriots are not above the rules, but any intelligent executive would consider the ramifications of his/her actions on the company as a whole when making important decisions. Given the trivial nature of the violation (where did less than a pound of air pressure in a few footballs go?), the consequences of strongly disciplining a superstar product (Brady), and an important brand (Patriots) should have led Goodell to a different conclusion than the one he and his friends at the league office came to. The pending lawsuits and negative press for the NFL are evidence enough of that. The only explanation that makes any sense to me is 1. They are not good businessmen, and 2. The actual members of the league office resent in some way the consistent on-field success of the Patriots (perhaps because they don’t think it’s good for the game, or perhaps because many are former Jets/Giants employees?).

    I realize these comment boards aren’t necessarily the place for civilized/rational conversation, but when you remove whatever biases or moral prejudices you may have I don’t know how anyone can defend the job Goodell has done from the standpoint of maintaining the peace between the 32 member clubs that comprise the NFL. The only thing that can ultimately destroy this league is discord within the ownership ranks, and coordinated dissent from players. Goodell’s actions have helped both of these threats to materialize.

  24. Listen, can we all just agree that Wells is not some paragon of independence and his report on this matter is highly flawed?

    If he’d used his highly subjective, arbitrary “logic” to clear the Patriots, all of the haters would be questioning the report just like many are now.

    This whole thing is such a brainless fiasco. If the NFL truly had noble intentions from the start they couldn’t have done a better job of ending up with something that looks like a calculated screw-job.

  25. bstngrdn says:
    May 18, 2015 10:02 AM
    Wells has manipulated the process and the report to try to prove a predetermined conclusion. This both unethical and unprofessional. This guy is a disgrace.
    Google him and see his bio if you want some insight on him. He has represented people who want you to believe that second hgand tobacco smoke won’t hurt you and that exposure to asbestos isn’t the reason for people’s health problems. And oh yeah he also represented Johnson and Johnson, the company owned by Woody the owner of the J E T S .
    This guy appears to do anything for the money and integrity and truth are nothing but impediments to be overcome to achieve his aims.
    And the “impartial” Roger “Captain Kangaroo” Goodell goes right along with it.
    __________________
    Have you been living under a rock your entire life?

    Maybe you should read the job description for this line of work. The word ethical does not apply to a law firm

  26. Maybe they didn’t miss them but read them in context and knew they were useless. Then, grasping at straws and any theory they could, they circled back to try to make hay out of words that sounded inflammatory.

    Are you forgetting the NFL gave the balls after the halftime inspection back to McNally to walk back out to the field by himself?

    Are you forgetting they put the Colts balls into the game in the second half knowing (or should have known) that the measured under the required psi?

    Are you forgetting they made sure to report bogey psi to the media about the Patriots while covering for the Colts?

    These were hit men and the Patriots were their target. They didn’t care about getting the facts right.

  27. if you read the relevant material they never flatly refused to allow him to be interviewed again anyway.

    they offered to make him available by phone, and they requested a reason for them to consider making him available in person.

    wells chose not to pursue either of those options.

  28. “If Wells missed seeing such obvious and important documents, what else has he missed?”

    Well he has the physical evidence. He has the testimony from Walt saying he used the “logo gauge”. So I guess the big thing he is missing is the point.

    So yes, Ted is missing the point. Thanks for calling him a special prosecutor. Seeing that is the role he is filling.

  29. So this great “super lawyer” and his team never thought to do a word search for “deflate” in all the documents they were given. The NFL should get a refund from this clown and his law firm.

  30. You want to get all caught up in procedures about when and under what circumstances the investigators can interview or re-interview, but meanwhile you want to blow over the larger point that you have people claiming they have deflated and are the deflators.

    Let’s not lose sight of the larger point.

  31. “What team refuses a second meeting with Wells regarding a ball attendant? I’ll answer : a guilty one. ”

    does not entirely make sense, why did they allow him to be interviewed at all then?

    wells had all the texts for weeks before the interview, mcnally and the patriots knew the material he was going to be questioned about and provided him for a full long day of interrogation regardless.

    if wells wasnt incompetent he could have asked him about the “deflater” texts for hours…

  32. And the media is in hysterics over why Brady wouldn’t give his cell phone?! That sh!ithole (commissioner’s office) has more leaks than the Titanic. I wouldn’t give them a post-it note I used for a Dunkin Donuts run.

    Goodell better hope this never goes to court. For Chrissakes you could get a judge who lives in New York or Miami and they will probably say this is and absolute farce.

  33. McNally is a part time, game day employee. He has a career in the private sector. He met with Wells on four previous occasions. How many times can Ted Wells demand the Patriots produce a part timer? If McNally lost his real job, would Ted Wells compensate him from his 5 million dollar ” bounty “?

    Once the Patriots realized that Wells had a hidden agenda, they stopped cooperating in their own lynching. That includes Brady declining to turn over his cell phone to Wells also .

    The lawyer types at NFL corporate dreamed up a hare brained scheme to both screw the Patriots and reinvigorate Roger Goodell’s image. Goodell would come down hard on the Patriots, making everyone forget about his massive incompetence. Media types and fans in the other 31 cities would follow like sheep.

    I don’t think they expected any resistance.
    .

  34. The Patriots are the using the Faux News defense strategy. Lie. Deny. Lie. Deny. Lie.

  35. What did Wells miss? Well for starters how about investigating the League office for performing a sting?

    a couple of days after the AFCC game, Chris Mortenson reported that 11 of 12 balls were 2 or more pounds low on PSI. The League knew immediately that was not true but NEVER corrected that. Why?

    WHY???

    They could have corrected that inaccuracy during those Super Bowl week news conferences, but they didn’t. Why?

    WHY???

    When they finally agreed to let Bob Kraft know the halftime PSI of the balls two months after the fact, they did so only after Kraft agreed that he wouldn’t disclose the results. Why?

    WHY???

    Those questions need some answers, and the Wells Report doesn’t give them.

  36. No, the bigger question is why is the NFL league office leaking things? From long before the investigation formally started to now, all of the leaks coming out of that office show it to be a highly unprofessional and untrustworthy place, not to mention immature.

    Really, who at this point has any trust or faith in the guys running the show in the league office? From Goodell to Vincent to Kensil, to their choice of guys like Wells, everything about this bunch just screams Keystone Kops. It’s a joke.

  37. Brady: “No smoking gun, circumstantial evidence!”
    Kraft: “No smoking gun, circumstantial evidence!”
    Hernandez: “No smoking gun, circumstantial evidence!”

    I guess circumstantial evidence is more powerful than people realize.

  38. Robert Kraft has received numerous honorary degrees from several colleges and universities and was awarded the NCAA’s highest honor when he received the “Theodore Roosevelt Award” presented annually to a distinguished citizen of national reputation and outstanding accomplishments. Robert Kraft by all accounts is a very decent man and to try ans smear his sterling reputation is reprehensible. Free Tom Brady, The New England Patriots and Robert Kraft from this modern day Salem Witch Hunt.

  39. “He met with Wells on four previous occasions. ”

    small but important distinction – he only met with wells once, he met with NFL Security 3 times.

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  41. Why should we even listen to the NFL’s side regarding this particular issue anymore. We know that the Wells Report made unfair judgements based on unfair assumptions, so incompetence born from bias is to be expected.

    Are we really surprised now that the NFL/Wells camp would seek to covers itself? And is there any incentive for the league to be truthful about things such as this issue regarding witness interviews? It has every incentive, in fact, to distort or even lie outright.

  42. So basically, if the NFL read and understood the Wells report, which we should assume they could, they excessively punished the Pats for something they knew did not happen. That is a far bigger story than anything that happened in the Colts game. Every fan should be concerned with this behavior, it could be your team.

  43. If Wells missed seeing such obvious and important documents, what else has he missed?
    ——-
    What else has he missed? how about the text message showing what the patriots wanted there balls set at from 2014?

    Patriots employee Jastremski texted his finacee after a jets game where the refs had the balls set to 16 pounds:
    “Ugh…Tom was right, I just measured some of the balls. They supposed to be 13 lbs… They were like 16. Felt like bricks.”

  44. Mortenson’s original article from NFL leaks indicaed 11 of 12 balls 2 psi below standard – LIE

    Article also stated balls were checked 2 1/2 hours before gametime and then given back to each team. If that is the case, how can the story be changed to the balls being missing? Did the balls go mising or is that a lie that simply adds to the NFL narrative?

  45. “Are you forgetting they put the Colts balls into the game in the second half knowing (or should have known) that the measured under the required psi?”

    This is never discussed, but the Colts were the team that played the entire game with underinflated footballs!

    The Pats footballs were pumped up at halftime, and checked as legal at the end of the game. The Colts balls? Illegal at halftime, illegal at the end of the game.

    If it was such a competitive advantage, then the Colts should have played better in the second half then the Pats.

  46. Take this to the real courts Mr. Kraft & Brady… This keystone cops Wells investigation & kangaroo court by Goodell & the league needs to be exposed for the farce it is!!!

    More continued leaks from the NFL offices
    Wow who’d of ever thought!!

    Biggest incompitant attempt to frame an organization without one ounce of proof that both SCIENCE & LOGIC can disprove!!!

    Roger MUST GO!!!!!

  47. Through the NFL’s latest leak we are again shown the NFL has no idea of what is fair or balanced. Yes this isn’t a courtroom, but guess what NFL? Nor are you a court. The end sums it up perfectly, what else did Ted Wells get wrong in his sloppy investigation?

  48. “the best outcome may have been (and may still be) for the league to admit that it created this mess by having inadequate football inflation and security procedures, by possessing inferior knowledge of the science of football deflation, and by paying insufficient attention to the reality that, in cold weather games, footballs routinely have an internal pressure below 12.5 PSI. The league should simply have changed the procedures, warned all teams that any efforts to circumvent those procedures in the future would be met with harsh punishment, and not attempted to punish any of the many teams that may have taken advantage of what ultimately was proven to be incomplete and borderline inept enforcement of Rule 2, which seemingly requires the football at all times to be between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI, regardless of the weather conditions.”

    – Mike Florio, PFT

  49. If they weren’t illegally deflating the balls then these two things would have happened:
    1. Kraft would be calling for Goodell to be fired, not simply trying to refute the Wells report.
    2. Kraft would have answered Peter King’s question about why they threw McNally and Jastremski under the bus by suspending them.

    Whether or not Brady knew is debatable (but it’s very difficult to believe he didn’t), but if you think McNally and Jastremski were not up to something, you are delusional. Just read the text messages. Claiming they were all jokes is a terrible defense that no one in their right mind would believe.

  50. Whether Wells neglected to, or by design did not, ask certain questions in the first round and assumed a second meeting was plausible, is within reason and scope. This investigation isn’t judicial procedure defined by manuals of law and precedent. The only rule that applied was that Brady is an employee of the NFL and the NFL asked all employees, constituent franchises, and their employees to cooperate with the investigation – which they blatantly did not.
    There are no objective legal protections for players and owners when the league chooses to sanction them for violating bylaws unless the employees can prove that the bylaws were violated in doling out their punishment.

  51. From the Wells report:

    “As previously noted, Brady
    declined to make his cell phone records available for our review”

    I don’t know why. The NFL seems like such a secure organization.

  52. The ‘I just found the old texts’ is nonsense. It’s the same tactic Wells used on the Saints. Wells got his whole case together, called GWilliams back for another interview, and basically said, ‘Hey, we got you. Now, spill’. And GWilliams did. Wells just wanted to get some part time flunky in a room , with his team of investigaters, and try to bully McNally into admitting something that didn’t happen.

  53. Goodell will shorten the Brady suspension because of all the mistakes he & Wells have made to stay tight with the by GOD patsies, the darlings of the NFL & Kraft!!! It is all a smokescreen to make it look like he’s big & bad commishner that he IS NOT!!!

  54. Mcnally’s second interview wasn’t about “newly discovered texts”. That’s just a cover story. It was about pushing the boundaries of discovery in order to 1) probe the Patriots for sensitive areas , and 2) trump up a “non-cooperation” charge to try to justify Wells’ two month and $5 million boondoggle.

    If Mcnally did a 2nd face-to-face interview Well just would have demanded more until the Pats said “enough”.

    Brady and his lawyers realized this and shut Wells down before he could get too far down that road.

  55. Hate to tell you this, but regardless of whether or not Wells knew of the texts there is no need for a 5th interview.

    If you didn’t get what you needed after four it is isn’t there.

  56. Hey Pats* fans, here is a conspiracy for you.
    Patriot* fans band together to troll the comments section to make it appear that the country likes cheater Tommy and his team of phonies. Too bad it won’t work. The only ones who think it would are the same people who put a pampered football player on a pedestal as a hero.

  57. For out of town readers :

    Do not be deceived into thinking that the Boston Globe carries any street cred in this matter. Volin is a lifelong Dolphins fan and Patriots loather. The NFL has used him like a bar rag throughout this process. He’s to the Globe what Ron Borges is to the Boston Herald.

    You can get accurate Patriots news from Mike Reiss of ESPN Boston or Tom Curran of Comcast.
    .

  58. freddiegotback says:
    May 18, 2015 10:25 AM

    Brady: “No smoking gun, circumstantial evidence!”
    Kraft: “No smoking gun, circumstantial evidence!”
    Hernandez: “No smoking gun, circumstantial evidence!”

    I guess circumstantial evidence is more powerful than people realize.
    _________________________________

    It depends on the quality and quantity of evidence. What was said all along regarding Hernandez was that the prosecutor had a mountain of circumstantial evidence.

    Wells doesn’t even have a mole hill.

  59. This is so out of hand now it boggles the mind. One fact remains… The highest revenue ever in the offseason for the NFL and the infraction in question is not a crime, so it won’t make anyone hate the league. It’s also something they could have easily made go away a few times if they wanted to sweep it under the rug. It wouldn’t be much of a conspiracy theory to say the league is sensationalizing this issue on purpose for monster ad revenue.

  60. How about this? If you dont want to be the subject of questionable investigations, then DONT CHEAT. Pats have still not adequately explained the Deflator nickname, why McNally decided to just take the balls that day, or why they (not the league) suspended both McNally and Jastremski if they are innocent. Isnt that what they claim the NFL is trying to do to Brady? Give me a break with this hypocrisy.

  61. So, the TRUTH may eventually come out after all. The League Office run by Goodell is proving to be a disaster of limitless proportions. If Goodell survives this, then the whole bunch of them (owners) are corrupt and need to be investigated themselves. How would any of us allow our appointed leader to conduct himself in such a manner. “Loose cannon”, “power monger”, “arbitrary justice”… the list of deserved labels goes on and on.

    The only good thing that may come out of this fiasco (and that is what this has been from the start) will be that the owners finally wake up, realize they can continue to earn billions with a new czar at the helm, and they should run Goodell out of town after humiliating him over ALL the idiotic things he has been responsible for. PLEASE FIRE THIS MANIAC before he tarnishes the shield any further. I love the NFL game, but am ashamed hey put a lunatic in charge and let him run amok.

  62. What kind of independent counsel leaks information to battle out his process in public view?

    This is worse than BountyGate and the ignominious Meuller Report.

    For these men to enjoy the immunities and privileges they have, they need to be above the fray.

    Kraft is a business owner who can say what he wants. The NFL shield is an organization built to render and uphold standards.

    This is sad. Really sad.

    It seems this is more about petty grievances than neutrality and fairness.

  63. Don’t you think it’s a little absurd to expect Hubbuck’s 140-character tweet to contain all context and arguments that Wells may have shared with him?

  64. And people question and assume guilt on Brady for not turning over his phone.
    THIS is exactly why i wouldn’t turn over anything to them.
    So long Goodell, nice knowin ya.

  65. “…Wells contradicted his own report — and said nothing about the absence of an agreement that witnesses wouldn’t be questioned a second time based on evidence that Wells had in his files before the first investigation.”
    ****************************
    Wells should speak to a nonexistent agreement, since he didn’t … what? I would guess he also didn’t speak on climate change or the price of tea in China, but what does that mean?

    When you can’t win on facts, you try to win on technicalities. That’s where Pats supporters are now. Kraft is way past that. He’s conceded and so should you.

  66. Roger Goodell and Ted Wells are all about lies! All they tell is lies, lies and more lies! I have detailed information in my rebuttal which completely proves that what they allege are illusions . . . Those aforementioned cowards have no morals. The Wells Report isn’t worth an old shoe. They do not even have control over themselves! Do not believe them. We are in control. They are in a state of hysteria. I triple guarantee you Tom Brady will not miss a game to suspension in the 2015 season. If this goes to federal court, we will crush the NFL.

    -Baghdad Bob Kraft

  67. I bet Roger Goodell is regretting destroying evidence from Spygate, isn’t he? I bet it was worse than we know, and if he let that come to head, the Pats would be burned to a stake right now.

  68. The conspiracy isn’t in the NFL or the Patriots or the players.

    It’s on us.

    This dog and pony show has continued (yet again) of keeping the NFL in the spotlight of sports media.

    There are 10 times more comments on PFT about Deflategate than about any topic in it’s baseball or NBA or NHL coverage.

    It’s been the lead story since the NFL draft (which was the lead story before this).

    The NFL is a juggernaut of revenue and this so-called “embarrassment” to the NFL, Goodell, Kraft or Brady isn’t going to effect their pocketbooks at all. In fact, it probably helps.

    What better way to keep us all glued to the internet and favorite websites than to create so-called “X-gates” every year for us to debate ad nauseam.

    Goodell’s regime is rife with their willingness to sacrifice any/all credibility and moral fortitude in the name of the all-righteous dollar.

    This will be no different. This will last all summer, but once the kickoff happens we’re all going to be in front of our TV’s watching.

  69. The Pats cooperated with the investigation. They were the ones that turned over the security footage of the whole bathroom fiasco. Do you really think they would have done that if they were trying to cover stuff up? My God people, if this whole circus has proved anything, it is that you cannot mess with a predetermined corporate agenda and that absolute power corrupts absolutely. Oh, and one more thing. If this were any other private company or government agency, the person, or persons responsible for all these freakin leaks would be so fired or in jail.

  70. It’s funny. Even when the NFL leaks information thinking it will be beneficial to the league, they look like idiots. It’s time to clean house.

  71. This is surely the last time the NFL will use the incompetent and biased Wells for an investigation. Now that his work is truly being examined, he is a complete embarrassment to the NFL. The case is falling apart day by day and the unbiased evidence is pointing not only to Brady and the Patriots being innocent of deflating footballs before the AFC Championship game, but also being innocent in charges of non-cooperation as laid out by the league. Goodell is desperate to keep this in-house, as any unbiased arbitrator or any court of law will completely destroy virtually all of the NFL’S case. Kudos to Mike Florio. There has been so much biased and dishonest rhetoric from the league and in the sports and mainstream media, even in Boston (such as Felger,Mazz and Borges). Without the likes of Florio and a small number of others not as influential as Mike, the Patriots would have already been convicted by the kangaroo court that is the NFL, as they have been convicted by the kangaroo court of public and dishonest media opinion. I am confident the truth will be heard. Thank you Mike. Integrity matters.

  72. And THIS is the crux of why Wells MUST answer why he declined to look into bias in the NFL front offices in connection with FrameGate#

    Throughout this ENTIRE process, someone in the NFL front office (Kensil, whom Belichick jilted at the alter of becoming HC of the NYJ?) has been leaking false information to the media to make the Patriots look bad. This information we now know (the number of footballs deflated below what the Laws of Physics explain) was false

    WHY is someone in the NFL offices continuing to LEAK information to make the Patriots look bad? Who IS this person? Why do they have a vendetta against the Patriots (we know why Kensil would)?

    And WHY, with the freedom to look into these issues, did Wells CHOOSE NOT TO – raising the question of his OWN bias!

    Will anyone in the media press Wells and Goodell on these issues? Probably not. They like their NFL sources even if they give out false information.

  73. Dan Goldberg is a partisan hired hand. Good. But Ted Wells is too. No good. The idea that Ted Wells is independent is growing more laughable everyday. Ted Wells is the NFL. There is no separation. The NFL hosted his conference call last week and filtered the questions. How is that independence? It is not.

  74. “Deflategate” will be the undoing, FINALLY, of commissioner Roger Goddell. He will ultimately lose his job over the utter mismanagement of this who “Deflategate” debacle. Tom Brady won’t miss a single game if this appeal is able to get heard and go through by the time pre-season ends.

  75. Why did the NFL leak “The Big Lie*”

    Why did the NFL allow The Big Lie to remain, unchallenged and wrongly accepted as fact, for three months?

    * The Big Lie = the claim that “11 of 12 patriots footballs were 2 psi or more deflated”

    The truth:

    By one gauge (the gauge that the refs said he used in pregame) exactly ZERO of 11 footballs were 2 psi or more deflated relative to 12.5. The average drop was 1.01 psi. Two footballs dropped in the 1.5-1.6 range, 7 were right at the expected place, and two even seemed 0.3 psi OVERINFLATED.

    Thus, on average, the Patriots footballs all met the exact prediction of science and could not have been tampered with, or else they would have been noticably lower.

    Even by the other gauge, 1 of 11 footballs was 2 psi down.

    That was why it was a big lie. The NFL made the measurements, lied about their own measurements, and the allowed the lie to stand for MONTHS.

    Is this that hard to grasp, people?

  76. Go Pats fans Go! Its so good to see the Pats fans turn out in force. Once it was clear this was all a frame up we came out in force.

    Picture this…Tom Brady sits in a meeting room for a day answering questions and it becomes clear to him that he is the target of Wells’ theory on what happened. Knowing this putz Wells had put a bulls-eye on his back, he would have been a fool to give up his text message.

    Note to the haters, if you are ever being questioned regarding a crime by the police, think of Tom Brady and his example and realize that you are not proving your innocence, you are giving the authorities more ammunition for them to make their case. Once you are the target the only thing that will make them go away is silence…

  77. Someone please tell me why the 2 ball boys have been suspended by the Patriots? Does it mean they did something wrong???

  78. In the Hernandez case, you actually have a dead body.

    In the Deflategate case, you have some Patriots balls that are slightly below spec, depending on which gage you used to measure them. If you take the Head Referee’s word on it, they are actually within spec based on expected game degradation and temperature. Oh, and only 25% of the opponents balls were tested, and they dropped by the same amount of pressure.

    As far as the Patriots being the same as 31 or 32 teams, or that Pat’s fans should be ashamed and give up, that is a exercise in futility. Pat’s fans by and large love their championship team and Brady and Belichick. The Pats are not the “equal” of any team in their division, the AFC south, and most of the rest of the league. No team has won more in the past 15 years through sheer dominance in coaching and playing.

    I will give you just one thing, Brady by not visiting the White House, and by not cooperating a little more fully, has put himself before the team for the first time that I can recall. As a fan, this is disappointing, but not Vick/Roethlisberger disappointing. I am not sure that the NFL cannot be trusted with any personal information, whether you believe Brady or not.

    At least some people believe Brady, I am not sure anyone can say the same for the NFL office. Personally, I don’t want to tear down the league, it is one of my primary enjoyments in life after my family.

    Rest assured, Brady is coming back with a vengeance, and pretty soon we’ll be enjoying football again and the conversation will be about how awful it is the at the Pats are running up the scores. BB will make sure that nobody on the team forgets which players and coaches were calling the Pats “cheaters” and they are going to be held accountable on the football field and it won’t be pretty.

  79. Several points.
    1. Has any NFL player ever given up their phone voluntarily to the nfl offices?
    2. Did not Tom Brady submit to an interview with the league and answer all the questions asked of him?
    3. Did the NFL investigate their own employees to see why they allowed guy with balls to walk right past them?
    4. Has the nfl investigated the inaccurate leaks from it’s office and fired those responsible?
    5. Can a fat 48 years old really take out 12 balls, check and adjust pressure and put them back in bags in 1 minute and a half?
    6. Does a small amount of air really effect the game that much? Brady did pretty well in SB without them plus you can’t do it on road because you don’t have your own personnel?

  80. You all are missing the bigger issue that is about to come up! Kraft is far smarter than you think and the fact that Wells hasn’t refuted what has been proposed is key. Wells knows he goofed big time.

    Everyone keeps saying Brady didn’t release his texts because there was damaging info fails to realized that phone records go both ways and if you receive a text there’s evidence on both ends that it was sent and received, don’t believe me, look at your next phone bill it shows the one’s you received and sent. They’d already know if Brady sent texts an there was no confirmation in the findings that he did. For all any of us know he didn’t submit the records because he was having an affair on Gisele and he knew the NFL would leak it.

    The big issue coming is when this goes to court which it inevitably will, the Patriots are going to subpoena everyone’s records, Kensil, Irsay, Pagano, Goodell, Vincent and everyone else involved. If there is any and I mean any evidence that the NFL knew ahead of time and didn’t stop it then that proves a conspiracy to damage the integrity of the game and the Pats and Brady walk.

    This is going to get fun soon!

    *Note-I am a Pats fan and I do believe Brady should have taken his punishment and walked. It would of been a non issue next year and all would have been good. But now I’m intrigued to see what gets thrown out into the air and I don’t think the NFL or Goodell really want some of this info to get out.

  81. brady was never asked “to turn over his phone” people… he was asked to have his lawyer and him turn over FROM the phone any related info. Ted Wells was specific he did not want possession of the phone… quit using this as an excuse please its inaccurate

  82. brady was never asked “to turn over his phone” people… he was asked to have his lawyer and him turn over FROM the phone any related info. Ted Wells was specific he did not want possession of the phone… quit using this as an excuse please its inaccurate
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    Yeah… He asked for filtered records. If you look at how this guy operates though, that would have been the first request, but definitely not the last.

  83. The Real Scandal can be found on the phones of Goodell, Kinsel, Grigson, Harbaugh, Pagano & Well$.

  84. I love how this clown Goodell releases the result of another scam survey that 76 percent of “avid” fans supports the punishment.

    Really clown thats why you get booed and grilled everywhere u go. I would call fans that attend the draft as avid and you got your ass booed in NY and Chicago.

    Nice try putting out a scam survey though.

    Speaking of the draft clown, what were the ratings? I bey they sucked or we would have heard what they were by now

  85. A comment up the page made me think of something did the Patriots really play the second half with the Colts balls? Where is the intergity of the game on that one? A.Luck likes his balls at 13.5T. Brady likes his at 12.5 sound likes it was the out come of the game was was being tampered with. That would be another story in it self thatdoes not involve the NFL Shield but the FBI. That needs to be looked into also.
    So Brady just goes out and kills the Colts using the Colts balls and now we have deflate gate makes somebody like a little more guilty of tampering with the game not about air

  86. Have you read the New NFL Law created by Goodell, Vincent & Wells?

    It is called the PATRIOT ACT II and goes as follows:
    Proof of guilt is solely based on “AT LEAST AWARE & PROBABLE” and Scientific Facts/Analysis is NOT APPLICABLE.

    Based on this New Law – Every NFL Team, Coach, Player & Personnel is GUILTY of something because they were “AT LEAST AWARE & PROBABLY DID IT”

    The NFL just amended the PATRIOT ACT II to include the following:

    A.) “Not answering questions from the News Media Circus is Clear Evidence that you are GUILTY of something – Probably !!!”

    B.) News leaks by the NFL shall be deemed RELIABLE & TRUSTWORTHY

  87. This whole thing is laughable and almost disturbing at how much attention this is getting along with how oblivious America is. If you think that every single team and quarterback doesn’t do this or something similar you need a reality check. This type of thing happens in every sport, every single game. This is so minuscule compared to everything happening in the league.

    Watching this unfold as a Jags fan it is almost scary at how close minded the public is. There have been almost no non-bias opinions out there, no one has just taken a step back and just looked at the facts or the lack of. It was been guilty from the beginning and they way everyone is treating this is like the pats should be kicked out of the league.

    Everyone loves to see the mighty fall but this just makes the NFL look horrible, now the world is getting to see how badly it is ran and the lack to competence the people who run it have.

    Goddell is trying to salvage his image but I think this will surely begin his demise out of the league. If the was so worried about the “integrity” of this game he should have thought about that in the prior years when ball doctoring incidences occurred.

    In my opinion this “integrity” was also broken in the statements from Aaron Rodgers saying that he over inflates footballs beyond league limits. That’s breaking the rules, it may be present a different kind of advantages but it provides advantages to him that are breaking the rules if you want to be so strict. What about the 500 other qb’s that have come out and said that have done it, you cant just pick and chose who you punish even though thats what goddell does.

  88. If the NFL (Commish, Ted Wells, et al) is correct and the non-logo gauge was used then wouldn’t the
    carelessly deflated bathroom balls have fallen far beneath the range found? The measurements weren’t much lower than what he numbers the Ideal Gas Law predicts. When factoring in margin of error and the fact that these needles were bent and one was longer, doesn’t this house of cards fall apart? The absence of simple logic and common sense is
    bewildering.

  89. CORRECTION
    Ammendment (B.) of the PATRIOT ACT II should read as follows:

    B.) News leaks by the NFL SHEILD shall be deemed RELIABLE & TRUSTWORTHY

  90. Kingmj4891 says:
    May 18, 2015 10:41 AM
    Whether Wells neglected to, or by design did not, ask certain questions in the first round and assumed a second meeting was plausible, is within reason and scope. This investigation isn’t judicial procedure defined by manuals of law and precedent. The only rule that applied was that Brady is an employee of the NFL and the NFL asked all employees, constituent franchises, and their employees to cooperate with the investigation – which they blatantly did not.
    There are no objective legal protections for players and owners when the league chooses to sanction them for violating bylaws unless the employees can prove that the bylaws were violated in doling out their punishment
    _______________________________________
    Brady is an employee of the New England Patriots, not the NFL. Players are paid by the teams they have a contract with, not the NFL. I have no idea about what you have read, or can comprehend, but they cooperated as much as they were supposed to. No more, no less. You don’t have to like it. If someone is threatening my livelihood, I am not going one inch further than I am required to, to help them do it. That’s just common sense. And now seeing that the NFL leaked info from inside their walls, why would anyone in their right mind, offer more, than what is specifically asked. I said from the beginning, if it were me, without a subpoena, no way the NFL gets my phone, nor am I supplying them “subject related texts and info,” let alone Tom Brady’s. It’s his phone, not a work phone, they have no legal right to it or anything on it. They had the ball guys’ phones, if Brady had texted the ball guys anything incriminating, the league already had the texts from Brady on those phones–if they existed–and they don’t exist. So Brady was right on two fronts. Now if Brady takes this to a court of law, he will probably be made to supply the phone or its content. I am sure he can afford a lawyer considerably more competent than Wells, who already made him well aware of that fact. So going forward we will see, if Roger’s bogus decision isn’t overturned, and Tom just walks away and accepts the punishment, without giving up the phone or the info on it, now you have something to point at, if he takes them to court and hands over the phone or info willingly, the NFL is probably in trouble.

  91. The fact is that Wells is a lousy lawyer. The reason that the “investigation” went on so long was because the NFL wanted hard evidence that NE was guilty and that Brady was guilty as well. They kept the witch hunt going attempting to find something for 106 days.
    I would love to hear the conversations between Goodell and Wells. Goodell must have been begging him to find something of substance for proof with no success. Then Wells finally said there is nothing. Goodell decided to punish as if he had proof of something knowing he could be the judge, jury, and executioner. What a loser.

  92. “the best outcome may have been (and may still be) for the league to admit that it created this mess by having inadequate football inflation and security procedures, …”

    Except that, when someone robs a bank, they don’t arrest the security system.

  93. The text in question was McNally texting the “deflator” comment in May 2014. That means their cheating scheme was in place at least as early as that date, before the 2014 season even began. Yet, NE fans and attorneys are making a huge stink over this subject, at the same time while trying to claim their complete innocence. That’s funny. Keep deluding yourselves NE. Fans of 31 teams know your team cheated. Again.

  94. flash1287 says:
    May 18, 2015 10:02 AM

    Explain why Wells agreed with EVERYTHING Walt Coleman said except witch gauge he used. Coleman said “to the best of his knowledge ” he used the gauge with the Wilson logo to the best of his knowledge. Wells chose to believe everything Coleman said except that. The air lost in the balls falls in line with the gas law based the Wilson gauge but wells chose NOT to believe him.
    ——————————————————–
    Nice effort and I agree with your premises but as I am sure has been pointed out the explanation is easy. Walt Anderson, Not Walt Coleman. God knows we love Walt Coleman but he can’t help us in this case.

  95. re: brady’s texts

    it is clear from the “context” report that brady is claiming that there are no relevant texts to turn over, he would not give them his phone (justifiable) and when asked for any relelvant texts he did not say “no, i will not give you those texts” he said “there are no relevant texts to give you”

    whether or not you believe him well thats up to you, if this ends up in court then we will know for sure (discovery should force him to produce that)

  96. “Someone please tell me why the 2 ball boys have been suspended by the Patriots? Does it mean they did something wrong???”

    it is perfectly normal for an employee of any type that is under investigation for something related to their job performance to be suspended until the situation is resolved.

  97. All fans, including the haters, should Be thrilled that the hubris, inconsistency and pettiness that guides the league office is being exposed.

    However much you hate Kraft or BB or Brady, we can be united in the fact that We will all be better off in a world without Goodell, Vincent, Kensil etc..

  98. When it comes to leaks, I think the media outlets that report on them are as much to blame than the actual leaker.

    When a guy runs out onto a MLB field during a game, the cameras deliberately don’t show it as to not encourage the practice.

    Reporting based on “The condition of anonymity” only encourages the distribution of sketchy information from people that are being sneaky. Constantly reporting on leaks only encourages the practice.

  99. “The Kraft family have donated over 100 million dollars to a variety of philanthropic causes, including education, child and women’s issues, healthcare, youth sports and American and Israeli causes. Stop the hate and slander.”

    Seriously? Thats the problem with our country. Its ok as long as you donate some of your money…..then write it off to get it back.

    People toss around the hate and slander word like its nothing now a days. You cheapen it that way. What does “american and israeli causes” have ANYTHING to do with deflated footballs since 2007?

  100. Slightly, evr so slightly off topic, When is the NFL going to modify this moronic rule which is violated practically every season in Green Bay, Minnesota, Arizona, Buffalo, New York and New England? Or is Roger going to keep this in his back pocket to punish other teams. Remember the only person found guilty in this witch hunt worked for Roger. When the AFC championship balls the evidence supports the Patriot’s, Wells and Co edited the refs testimony to support the conclusion. Rather than do the experiment, the clowns at exponent used the Colts balls for the ‘standard’. There were only 4 data points, of which one was thrown out for the standard. The variation noted in other scientific studies shows that 4 is insufficient to find the normal distribution. The Colts balls were found by officials that to have pressure readings consistent with wet balls at room temperature. The officials testimony shows that the Colts balls did not have sufficient time to equilibrate. This indicates that they had been topped up before the measurement.

    So why did Tom Brady withhold his phone, because there is no evidence on it and he knew Wells would then accuse him of deflating his messages!

    Also, since Jerry Rice cheated in every play after his first season, why is no one calling for the Niners to return their rings?

  101. Good points but this ISN’T civil litigation where you get one bite. Wells had a right to rely on “full cooperation.” The league and even the Pats told Wells that he had full run of everyone. Pats hid behind a non-applicable technicality to smear the report.

  102. The NFL makes Edward Snowden and Julian Assange look like champions of privacy by comparison.

    To all those who are still on Tom Brady’s case for not handing over his phone, can you seriously say you would trust these people to keep your personal information private?

  103. To the above poster, the Pats played the second half with their balls after reinflation by the refs. Those balls were measured after the game and based on the ideal gas law, it can be concluded that the refs inflated the Pats balls to 14.2 + PSI.

    As you know the maximum allowable inflation is 13.5.

    Meanwhile, the colts continued to play with their balls which were by some measurements below 12.5

    Keystone cops ?

  104. Curiously, the NFL hasn’t “leaked” a rebuttal to the whole Walt Anderson situation, which should be the crux of this matter.
    Walt said he used a specific gauge to measure before the game. When that gauge was used at halftime to test the balls, they fell pretty much exactly where the Wells reports’ science would expect it.
    Based on this, they decide Anderson must be wrong in the gauge he used, but take everything else he says as true.
    Literally, they say his memory is wrong because it doesn’t fit their predetermined outcome.
    At the end of the day, the rest of the NFL will actually like the Pats, me thinks, because Goddell most likely will be unemployed at the end of this fiasco.

  105. restoreintegritytonfl says:
    May 18, 2015 12:02 PM

    The text in question was McNally texting the “deflator” comment in May 2014. That means their cheating scheme was in place at least as early as that date, before the 2014 season even began. Yet, NE fans and attorneys are making a huge stink over this subject, at the same time while trying to claim their complete innocence. That’s funny. Keep deluding yourselves NE. Fans of 31 teams know your team cheated. Again.
    _________________________________

    But the text about the balls being at 16psi and the refs screwing them was from September 2014…so if they were deflating the footballs back then how would they have been at 16 psi when checked by the equip guys after the game?

    See what happens when you only factor in certain pieces of evidence? Your misguided assumption falls apart just like the Wells report does.

  106. Mr. Goodell never told you why the other 31 teams cannot win.

    The cry babies on this board (“he told me you potentially let air out of the ball and that is the only way a team can win’)

    NO…. we are just better than you.

    “That not true…that’s impossible”

    Search your feelings other 31 teams you know it to be true.

  107. Spikes the Punisher is back in the Patriots fold. Ha Ha Ha ,ouch to the teams playing the Pats.The Pats are stacked to brawl this year and they will rise to the challenge. Yes they lost some highly talented over paid players. added 2 experienced linebackers,Mayo coming back,first round pick defensive lineman,2 edge rushers and 2 brawling O lineman along with 6 other picks,free agents and other depth free agent pick ups.Not bad for the second youngest team to win a Super Bowl. Love it!

  108. fartsmella wrote:

    “Is it me or does Wells resemble Lee Van Cleef”

    OMG … you nailed it! Hahaha

  109. By the way…remember in January the NFL was going to reach out to the Physics Department at Columbia about this?

    So how come when the report came out there was no mention of any study from Columbia? All it offered was analysis from a company that claimed second hand smoke is not related to cancer and that Toyotas didn’t randomly accelerate for no reason.

    Could it be that Columbia wouldn’t agree to use faulty baselines and insisted on followed proper scientific procedures and the NFL couldn’t have any of that?

  110. Why would the League have to resort to leaking this ? Why don’t they have the courage to come out openly and refute this ?

    It is obvious they are not on firm ground here. So they leak information. So the morons in the media can treat this as confirmed report and talk about this day in and day out. Drive public opinion towards what the league wants it to be.

    This seems to be the league strategy from the very beginning. They leak information even before the investigation begins. They also hand out the edict to the media to spin this to be a bigger deal than it is . This then lays the foundation for the investigation & punishment.

    All of this to orchestrate a scenario to make Roger Goodell look good after the beating his image has taken since the Ray Rice fiasco.

  111. Why does the NFL “leak” so much info. Just get a domain name and put all the info out there for anyone to see. (Oh, wait…Kraft already did that.)

    Leaks=we want the public to form an opinion of something, but if we put everything out there for them to see it would be apparent we have nothing.

  112. Steelers fan here. I hate the Patriots as much as the next guy, but …

    I think it’s amusing how millions of clowns think the Patriots Super Bowls should have asterisks next to them. Do you even understand what Spygate was?

    During the time NE won their first 3, it was 100% legal for a team to film the opposing sideline. Didn’t matter where it was from.

    Just prior to the 07 season, the league outlawed the practice of filming from the sideline. Cameras were to be located elsewhere, with no access to them until the game was complete. This was to ensure that the video could no longer be used to gain an advantage during the current game.

    They got busted for filming from the sideline 3 games after it was outlawed. Belichick got nailed (rightfully so). But so many people were sick and tired of hearing about how great the Patriots were (myself included), that the story took on a life of it’s own.

    The news media did everything it could to generate controversy and outrage, rather than spell out the actual crime and let the public decide for themselves. Controversy and outrage equal ratings and ratings equal money paid by advertisers.

    Love them or hate them, I respect the Patriots. I can’t wait for them to eventually become a .500 team. But you can’t deny that the Kraft, Belichick and Brady trio have created an amazing thing up in NE. Too bad so many childish losers can’t man up and admit this.

  113. Those of us with real word civil litigation experience know the NFL is full of more crap than a Christmas turkey with this line of defense.

    Who does the NFL think it is, the Stasi?

  114. gadzod says:
    May 18, 2015 11:05 AM

    I bet Roger Goodell is regretting destroying evidence from Spygate,
    ——-
    Am I the only one who seen the tapes played on national tv and in the background in press conferences? They really were quite boring, watch coaches, check clock, back to coaches over and over and over.. same thing any fan in the stands could be doing at any game.

  115. I remember seeing those videos. At what point did they get destroyed? Funny you mention that.

  116. eastsidewilly says:
    May 18, 2015 12:12 PM
    “Someone please tell me why the 2 ball boys have been suspended by the Patriots? Does it mean they did something wrong???”

    it is perfectly normal for an employee of any type that is under investigation for something related to their job performance to be suspended until the situation is resolved.
    ____________________________________________

    Sure Willy, I’ll answer that one for you.

    It’s all in the text. Read them carefully again then let me know why you think they should still be employed.

    Maybe next time they’re more carful about texting trash about the GOAT.

  117. I’m a Redskins’ fan, but all you blind, jealous, haters, could be screwing your own teams. Goodell is the worst Commish in the history of sports. Because he has badly screwed up every scandal, regardless of team, and now has screwed this up even worse, stop supporting him. He is ruining the league. He will get your team too, just because of his gross incompetence. He should have called Kraft, and said ‘Bob, don’t know if it’s true, but if somebody is messing with the footballs, have them stop immediately’. Instead, he does a sting, and pays his own “independent” client to find something on one of his teams. They find zero, but some bantering texts, that prove nothing, and your are O.K. with a $1M fine, loss of a 1st, loss of a 4th, and a 4 game suspension/loss of $2M salary? Come on guys, this is BS! We now hear Carr deflated balls, and Jeff Blake says he had ball boys take air out before every game of his career. Rodgers flat out said he had folks overinflate his footballs. If you don’t think this is normal practice, you are wrong, and if you think this kind of sting operation over the pressure of a ball is O.K., you are biased. Instead of hating the Patriots, you should be hating Goodell, and forcing a competent replacement. THIS IS PATHETIC!

  118. I agree with redskins1962.

    My Steelers are looking very promising this year. Especially with a potential 4 game suspension for Brady.

    But do I really hope that we become dominant over the next few years? Of course I do, but at what expense? Are haters going to start accusing us of everything under the sun? One flimsy accusation after another like is happening with the Patriots? Will the league punish the Steelers (or the next great team) to appease our jealous opponents?

    I miss the 80’s when sports reporting was all about the GAMES. You could watch General Hospital or you could watch sports. At what point did the news media think we as sports fans wanted these two things combined?

    SMFH.

  119. I have never heard of an investigation where the Investigators agree that follow up interviews won’t occur. Anyone that believes that should buy the mineral rights to an asteroid in the asteroid belt. It’s a standard process where investigators interview a person, with given evidence, then after interviewing others…come back to ask additional questions regarding inconsistencies in 2 or more testimonies. The Patriots preventing follow up questions 100% implies guilt & complicity.

  120. restoreintegritytonfl says:
    May 18, 2015 12:02 PM

    The text in question was McNally texting the “deflator” comment in May 2014. That means their cheating scheme was in place at least as early as that date, before the 2014 season even began.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    If they were deflating balls since before this “deflator” text, how did they get stuck playing against the Jets on October 16th in Foxboro with balls inflated to over 16 psi?

    Had the text comments been made first after the Jets game it would have looked more like a comment about ball deflation.

    The premise that the ball boy calling himself the “deflator” in the springtime while he was on a diet, and in the context of fitting into a certain sized jacket, is just ludicrous enough to be true. Far more likely than that they were deflating balls prior to the 16 psi Jets game.

  121. Goodell is an idiot no doubt and Wells sees each job with the NFL as an opportunity to get more weasels fingers in the NFL pie. The bully thing was a crock of %43# OF COURSE HE WAS GONNA SAY SOMETHING WAS BAD TO OPEN UP EVERY LOCKER ROOM. This however doesn’t open up NFL locker rooms to lawyers. The Dolphins fully cooperated and ultimately suspended a clown yes but a bully?…Give me a break the big baby was saying and doing the same things.
    But again Miami cooperated while the Pats have not… Why only the Pats had something to hide. They cheated…again…and wouldn’t cooperate with the investigation so screw em all the blood sucking lawyer Wells, the blood sucking commissioner who has ruined the game beyond repair Goodell, the owner who thinks he is above the law Kraft, the hooded chat Billicheat and the lying pretty boy Brady. Maybe Tom should just shoot a look at the ref and they will throw a flag at Wells.

  122. dumbaseinstien says: May 18, 2015 1:30 PM

    I have never heard of an investigation where the Investigators agree that follow up interviews won’t occur. Anyone that believes that should buy the mineral rights to an asteroid in the asteroid belt. It’s a standard process where investigators interview a person, with given evidence, then after interviewing others…come back to ask additional questions regarding inconsistencies in 2 or more testimonies. The Patriots preventing follow up questions 100% implies guilt & complicity.
    ———————————————–
    That’s not what happened here. Pay attention

  123. “In litigation, I would say there’s nothing unusual about saying, ‘You’ve had your deposition, you had all your documents, just because you didn’t review them all ahead of time doesn’t give you a right to go back and re-depose the witness a couple weeks later,’ ” said Shannon Liss-Riordan, a leading employment and labor attorney

  124. dumbaseinstien says:
    May 18, 2015 1:30 PM
    I have never heard of an investigation where the Investigators agree that follow up interviews won’t occur. Anyone that believes that should buy the mineral rights to an asteroid in the asteroid belt. It’s a standard process where investigators interview a person, with given evidence, then after interviewing others…come back to ask additional questions regarding inconsistencies in 2 or more testimonies. The Patriots preventing follow up questions 100% implies guilt & complicity.

    ****************
    Wells was asked why he needed another interview and he didn’t respond… he was offered to speak bv phone and declined.

    You can’t allow people to endlessly request interviews… Wells should have given his reason… perhaps he didn’t want to because it would prove his firm’s incompetence – they already had the text messages and didn’t ask McNally about them when they had the chance.

  125. I read MMQB because PK is dialed in. I’m not a fan of PK because he writes a piece about all the questions he asked Kraft, but of course doesn’t ask the simplest, most obvious question.

    “In your opinion Mr. Kraft, do you think it’s at all reasonable to assume that equipment managers would do anything to alter game balls without Brady’s permission? Especially for a Conference Championship Game?”

    I’d love to see in writing Kraft say they would do it. His defense is there’s no proof it happened. Right.

  126. I guess we could assume:

    1 – That the NFL, which is a business, is purposefully trying to ruin what is arguably its best selling product.

    2 – That measurements showing the Pats balls were under inflated more than the Colts were all due to poor inflation checking mechanics.

    3 – That the ball boy went into the bathroom to use the urinal, per his words, that didn’t exist in that bathroom.

    4 – That the equipment manager calling himself the “deflator” was referring to his weight loss efforts, though that term’s never been used as such.

    5 – That the texts of the equipment guys demanding shoes and uniforms were just “regular demands” of equipment guys to star quarterbacks.

    6- That the threat of going to the media by “the deflator” was a threat to embarrass the Pats by admitting they have an overweight guy working for them.

    7 – That Brady inviting them to his office, something never done before, once the guys were caught was just to share a hotdog and talk about family.

    8 – That Belichick never realized that ball security was important to a good football team prior to the rule change and then in an “ah ha moment” realized it was important and magically reduced fumbles by half starting immediately after the rule changed.

    9 – That Kraft was mistaken when he admitted they cheated in Spygate and that the Patriots don’t have a long history of serial cheating.

    We could assume all this is correct.

    Or we could assume the Pats have been deflating balls, they’ve been doing it since 2007, that the reason Brady was giving signed shoes and balls was to pay off the equipment guys, that he went into the bathroom to deflate the balls after they were checked, that fumbling would be reduced by balls that have less air, that the NFL has been looking the other way as long as possible but finally couldn’t, that Brady tried to cover up afterwards by inviting the equipment guys to his office and not providing his phone…

    Which one makes more sense?

  127. Mike, seems you are looking at this as a lawyer (naturally). Lawyers may be limited to interviewing someone only once, but isn’t Wells more like a detective (at least initially), and police detectives don’t have that kind of limitation on interviewing people, right?

  128. freddiegotback says:
    May 18, 2015 10:25 AM
    Brady: “No smoking gun, circumstantial evidence!”
    Kraft: “No smoking gun, circumstantial evidence!”
    Hernandez: “No smoking gun, circumstantial evidence!”

    I guess circumstantial evidence is more powerful than people realize.
    ————————————————————
    ————————————————————
    Except, Hernandez’s legal team had the opportunity to cross examine the prosecutions’ evidence and witnesses AND mount their own defense. The Patriots and Tom Brady have not been afforded that opportunity.

  129. I just realized what TV Character Well$ looks like.

    Anyone remember the Detective on the Pink Panther cartoon?

  130. The blame here lies on so many levels.

    ESPN originally leaked erroneous information, turning this relative non issue into a firestorm.

    Other news outlets then fanned the fire (let’s not forget that sports reporters have favorite and hated NFL teams too). Most people are biased in some way, either for or against NE.

    The league failed in not responding properly to this initial backlash.

    A player (Richard Sherman) insisted that if the Patriots were exonerated or the investigation was found to be inconclusive, then Kraft has Goodell in his back pocket (supported with a photo of Goodell at an AFC Championship party at Kraft’s house).

    In an always PR driven league, the league now found itself between a rock and a hard place. They were in a no win situation.

    BUT … Goodell actually might have a way out of this mess. He can save face for himself, the league, the Patriots and Tom Brady.

    He can say that in an effort to keep everything fair and balanced, he would completely stay out of the entire investigation and possible punishment process (even if it’s actually a complete lie). This is supported by the investigation being handled completely by Wells and the punishment being handled completely by Troy Vincent.

    Now with the official appeal coming, Goodell can be the arbitrator. He can now inject his opinion on the whole thing, in which he couldn’t before. He can state that Walt Anderson’s recollection of using the particular gauge that proves natural pressure loss should be applied, exonerating the Patriots and Brady.

    Those hard facts can also prove that he is not playing favorites. This issue will then look like it has been fairly resolved by a smart commissioner who ultimately did the right thing for the league.

    No matter what, the Patriots are keeping their Lombardi trophy.

    The story will likely go away and the chit storm the NFL is in the middle of will be forgotten overnight. However, the Patriots will always be labeled as guilty by some. I guess that’s the price you pay for being at the top.

  131. For all those asking why the ball boys got suspended…
    If you were a line employee and it came out in public that you had written texts in the vein of “[Eff] the VP of Finance” to a coworker on a company-owned phone, don’t you think you might get in a wee bit of trouble?

  132. Those of us with real word civil litigation experience know the NFL is full of more crap than a Christmas turkey with this line of defense.

    ————————

    This is not a court case. It is an investigation in conjunction with NFL Byelaws. Quit your days job.

  133. billybarrule says:
    May 18, 2015 2:15 PM

    This is not a court case. It is an investigation in conjunction with NFL Byelaws. Quit your days job.

    *************

    Alot of folks sure hope it makes it to court so we can watch the NFL folks get their a**es handed to them for the umpteenth time…

  134. Please Patriots fans you all know if it was Garoppolo under the investigation you’d all be “Guess we’ll have to play Tom Brady!” If Brady hadn’t been banned, if the draft picks were not taken, if it was just a club fine and McNally and Jastrewski were sacked…you wouldn’t care.

    Brady didn’t cooperate…that in itself is a ban.
    It is impossible to defend that, it is a fact.
    Regardless of whether or not they are guilty or innocent.

  135. I don’t understand how the Patriots can cry bad investigation when, in fact, they stonewalled the investigation by not cooperating.
    Especially Brady.
    He refuses to cooperate but now he wants to sue.
    Anybody who believes that Brady didn’t know those footballs were underinflated I have some swamp land to sell you in China.

  136. @solo681 says:
    May 18, 2015 11:42 AM
    The Real Scandal can be found on the phones of Goodell, Kinsel, Grigson, Harbaugh, Pagano & Well$. ————————————————————————————-
    I’ll bet TMZ has been scouring everywhere for precisely this!

  137. Brady was not uncooperative. He testified as requested. They never demanded his phone.

    When asked to turn over any pertinent texts from his phone he said he didn’t have any. They did not believe him, and then say he has not cooperated.

    McNally was not uncooperative. He was questioned 3 times by NFL investigators, He allowed them to image his cell phone. After which he testified for an entire day by the Wells investigators. The guy is a game day employee who works a full time job in New Hampshire.

    How many days does one need to take off for a witch hunt to be deemed to be “cooperating”. Did they offer to cover his salary for the day? Yeah, I didn’t think so.

    McNally offered to answer any additional questions by phone. Wells opted not to do that. Why? Because he didn’t have any additional questions. He wanted to do some more fishing.

  138. fjw: You are full of CRAP !! Kraft agreed for Wells to start fresh,in fact went as far to say he did not trust NFL security to get it right.He also welcomed Wells investigation – That is until he didn’t get the right answer. Why the hell would Wells do an interview over the phone ?? He even offered to fly him out there anytime.

  139. Here is how this whole thing could have been avoided in the first place.

    The first thing that should have been determined is whether or not the footballs were below the minimum PSI allowable according to the rules.

    People make fun of Bill Belichick’s press conference where he was giving scientific explanations for why the footballs were under 12.5 lbs PSI, but if not for that, would anyone have looked into the Ideal Gas Law? Maybe they would have, maybe they would not have.

    So then if you accept what Walt Anderson said in regards to his best recollection of which pressure gauge he used (and there is no reason why you shouldn’t since everything else he recalled was taken as gospel), then the Patriots footballs when measured at halftime were within the range predicted by the Ideal Gas Law.

    Therefore the Patriots balls were not under inflated.

    Period, end of story.

    The investigation should have stopped there because the investigation was about the events on January 18, 2015.

  140. There are really only 4 questionable Super Bowls. The two most recent ones won by the Broncos and the two most recent ones won by the Giants. For the same reason: both teams drafted #1 a QB that did not belong to them. Did they not violate the natural order of things by arranging behind the scenes to draft franchise QBs they didn’t earn? Did this not only buck tradition, but also buck a procedure designed to promote parity and integrity? How is the shield not stained by this?

  141. @ losersneedexcuses says:May 18, 2015 1:39 PM
    &
    @ rollotomasi14 says:May 18, 2015 1:37 PM
    ======================================
    Investigators never pre-disclose, over the phone, the intent of a redirection of questioning. The request to handle it that way, and then refusing to proceed as the investigators requedtrd…is refusal to cooperate.

  142. “You are full of CRAP !! Kraft agreed for Wells to start fresh,in fact went as far to say he did not trust NFL security to get it right.He also welcomed Wells investigation – That is until he didn’t get the right answer. Why the hell would Wells do an interview over the phone ?? He even offered to fly him out there anytime.”

    Everything he said is factually correct. Sorry it doesn’t fit your narrative, rube. Offering up a phone interview is not the same as “not cooperating”.

  143. soopreme says:
    May 18, 2015 2:27 PM

    I don’t understand how the Patriots can cry bad investigation when, in fact, they stonewalled the investigation by not cooperating.
    Especially Brady.
    He refuses to cooperate but now he wants to sue.
    ______________________

    They did cooperate. They handed over the security footage of McNally with the footballs on that day. McNally was interviewed 3 times by NFL security, then for an entire 8 hour day by Wells’ team. The Patriots said no to a 5th interview in person. They offered to do it over the phone (this guy is part time and has another full time job that he’d missed because of this investigation), or asked that a reason for the in-person interview being needed. Wells didn’t follow up on either of those.

    Brady sat down for an interview with them as well. The only thing he didn’t do was turn over his phone or text messages.

  144. If this were the San Diego Chargers, nobody would care…..but because the Patriots have a tainted history of cheating and being caught for it in the past, this suddenly matters a lot more.

    Admit it Patriot fan – this is about about you trying to deflect onto Goodell and skirt past the your priors.

    Kraft can’t prove innocence so he attacks Goodell – isn’t it cute that 31 other team owners have been nothing but supportive of the NFL’s stance?

    Oh that’s right, 31 teams are jealous of Tom Brady’s hair.

  145. NFL Science 2.0 Next year the league will hire Wells and he is going to insist that the laws of gravity are not real and should not be used in any manner pertaining to NFDumb rules.

  146. P.S….those text messages are more incriminating than what got Aaronthal Hernandez behind bars. Those texts between the Deflator and TB’s lackey are golden.

  147. The fumble records tell the story.

    Pre rule change almost twice post rule change.

    Cheaters going to cheat.

    Hammer time.

  148. “The fumble records tell the story.

    Pre rule change almost twice post rule change.

    Cheaters going to cheat.

    Hammer time.”

    Amazing that they have the same numbers on the road….when the opposing team’s locker room attendant is in charge of the balls after the ref inspection. Dorito Dink — the guy everyone is saying deflates the footballs — doesn’t travel with the team.

    Can’t have it both ways. Sorry.

  149. I hate to disagree with you, Mike, but there are factors here not ordinarily present … extraordinary, external time pressure.

    Every football writer in America, including you, was wondering what was taking Ted Wells so long, and why his investigation wasn’t concluded. I’m quite certain that the NFL was putting the same sort of pressure on him, from the very start.

    For you now to say, well, he should have taken his time … that’s a little hypocritical.

  150. “This is a perfect example of why Brady did not give his personal phone records to Wells – he had no confidence that the NFL would not leak them.”

    Wrong. Just wrong.

    Wells told Brady’s lawyers that they could review the phone records and just produce anything relevant. They refused that, too.

  151. “Brady sat down for an interview with them as well. The only thing he didn’t do was turn over his phone or text messages.”

    Which constitutes lack of cooperation.

  152. I’m Ted (you can trust me) Wells…..would I bill the NFL for $5000000 for an incomplete, inaccurate, inconclusive report? More probably than not, I would possibly be generally aware of or not aware of, everything I put or don’t put in my reports; and, I more probably than not do believe or not believe that my assumptions or guesses of people I talked to or wanted to talk to or needed to talk to but didn’t talk to may or may not be correct. One thing I do know…I bill by the hour.

  153. “Every football writer in America, including you, was wondering what was taking Ted Wells so long, and why his investigation wasn’t concluded. I’m quite certain that the NFL was putting the same sort of pressure on him, from the very start.

    For you now to say, well, he should have taken his time … that’s a little hypocritical.”

    This guy had freakin’ team of lawyers working on this for more than 100 days, pal.

  154. Which constitutes lack of cooperation.
    ===
    Not if there is nothing to turn over.

    TW: “Give me all your phone”
    TB: “No. CBA.”
    TW: “Ok… Give me filtered texts that are relevant to deflation of footballs or a conspiracy to do so.”
    TB: “There aren’t any.”
    TW: “YOU’RE NOT COOPERATING!”
    TB: *Walks away*

  155. quirtevans says:
    May 18, 2015 3:26 PM
    “This is a perfect example of why Brady did not give his personal phone records to Wells – he had no confidence that the NFL would not leak them.”

    Wrong. Just wrong.

    Wells told Brady’s lawyers that they could review the phone records and just produce anything relevant. They refused that, too.

    The NFLPA, Brady’s union, does not want any of it’s members to turn over cellphones or any other personal information because it would set a precedent. It is the NFLPA who filed the appeal on Brady’s behalf (at this point they are acting as his counsel)…it’s a stupid person who doesn’t listen to the advice of counsel.

  156. Wells told Brady’s lawyers that they could review the phone records and just produce anything relevant. They refused that, too.
    ===
    They told him there was nothing relevant that he didn’t already have from JJ’s phone. If you’re going to allow someone to filter what they give you, don’t call it non-cooperation when their filter returns zero results.

  157. The fact that the majority of sheep fully believe the long-since debunked fumble theory AND that the investigation shows that the Patriots had footballs deflated past the point of a scientific explanation is what is the most infuriating aspect of this entire mess. Both of those items have since been proven 100% false. I bet you all still believe that original Chris Mortensen report about 11 of 12 balls being 2 PSI under.

  158. quirtevans says:
    May 18, 2015 3:28 PM

    “Brady sat down for an interview with them as well. The only thing he didn’t do was turn over his phone or text messages.”

    Which constitutes lack of cooperation.
    __________________________
    I was more addressing the comment about the Patriots stonewalling the investigation, which they weren’t.

    But at the same time, had Brady turned over his personal cell phone, the NFLPA would have flipped out. They don’t want their players doing something like that without their approval. Favre didn’t turn his over either when he was being investigated for using his cell phone to send dirty pictures and messages. He was hit with a $50K fine.

  159. “They told him there was nothing relevant that he didn’t already have from JJ’s phone. If you’re going to allow someone to filter what they give you, don’t call it non-cooperation when their filter returns zero results.”

    I’m intrigued by this. What source is reporting that?

  160. If wells said he wanted to search Brady’s house should have just handed over the keys? If not the what’s he hiding in there???
    See how stupid most of you sound…
    Wells already had the other. 2 his phones & if Brady texted them it would be on there already…
    Brady say and answered every question Wells team asked him … EVERY QUESTION over 5 1/2. Hrs long!!
    It’s all in the report!!
    The way the NFL leaks stuff(an ongoing proven fact ) why would Brady give up his PERSONAL records to that incompitant bunch??!!
    Have any of you even actually read the Wells report ?? It’s the most unproffesional skewed & flawed piece of investigation out there….
    I pray Roger is stupid enough to allow this to go to court… Brady. & Krafts lawyers will have a field day!!!

  161. As time goes on the tampering picture becomes clearer and clearer. The scientific evidence shows there was no tampering of the footballs by the Patriots at the AFC Championship game. Upon examination, there was major tampering of public opinion by the league with its constant leaks of bogus information designed to rally not just fans, but the whole country against the Patriots. The other obvious tampering is by Ted Wells twisting the scientific evidence to fit the league’s predetermined conclusion that the Patriots were guilty. There was no effort by the league or Wells to determine the truth, just an effort to frame the Patriots no matter what the truth was. Every day it looks more and more that if Kraft were to decide to go all Al Davis on the league with a defamation suit, the league will lose. Period. Better for Goodell to lose face by changing the draft pick penalty to a 6th or 7th rounder and reduce the fine to $100 (for non-cooperation), than to endure the s— storm that will happen when the lawsuit hits and the NFL stands to lose hundreds of millions.

  162. NFL does nothing but leak, and now we know why. If they try to do a formal report, it is instantly shredded by any neutral reviewer. So all they have is gossip and rumors.

  163. milam27 says:
    May 18, 2015 4:06 PM

    BUT THEY STILL DEFLATED BALLS RIGHT?!
    ——————————————————–
    Well if you can prove it, sure. As of now it’s clear the NFL and their stooge Wells hasn’t. Says so in Wells own report.

  164. Don Banks was right. This investigation is murky and complicated. It’s not for people of BASIC intelligence. Nor is it for pregnant women and people with heart conditions. Actually, it probably shouldn’t exist at all if not for people of basic intelligence.

  165. danofthebroncos says:
    May 18, 2015 2:27 PM

    Please Patriots fans you all know if it was Garoppolo under the investigation you’d all be “Guess we’ll have to play Tom Brady!” If Brady hadn’t been banned, if the draft picks were not taken, if it was just a club fine and McNally and Jastrewski were sacked…you wouldn’t care.

    Brady didn’t cooperate…that in itself is a ban.
    It is impossible to defend that, it is a fact.
    Regardless of whether or not they are guilty or innocent.
    ———————————————————-
    It’s now clear why P Manning went to the Broncos after being let go by the Colts. He felt comfortable leaving one cheating organization(crowd noise among others) to go to another( cheating the salary cap for one. Or should I say twice). Both organizations won Super Bowls so henceforth any mention of Colts* and Broncos* seems to be the standard set by all haters. So here’s to you Colts* and Broncos* and while we’re at it here’s yours too Peyton*

  166. Not a Patriots fan. Not a Goodell fan. Don’t know if Brady and/or Patriots are guilty or innocent. But this investigation and the conclusions drawn from it reeks of bias and amateur-grade professionalism, starting with Ted Wells himself.

  167. Roger and his staff are the problem in the NFL. They are not leaders, yet they are in charge of running a multi billion dollar corporation with 32 franchises. Roger alone is turning people off from the NFL, just by his presence. He continually fumbles every issue and is caught in lie after lie.

    This is not about being a fan of one team or another, this is about the guy in charge of the future of the league is terrible at his job by leading the league.

  168. After reading the Wells report, my conclusion has become Wells was incompetent and simply decided to go for the worst possible interpretation each and every time while ignoring contrary evidence.

    The key fact was his dismissing Anderson’s (the NFL official) testimony to which pressure gauge he used which, had they used those readings, would have cleared the Patriots and ended the investigation with hardly any billings instead of, oh, the millions he made…

    And he ignored other testimony and evidence, such as this text message:

    “I checked some of the balls this morn … The refs f—ed us … a few of then were at almost 16,” Jastremski wrote to McNally. “They didnt recheck then after they put air in them.”

    So the refs over-inflated the balls. The Pats lowered the balls to the bottom of the range. Anderson’s gauge indicated they balls were okay at the beginning of the game. Anderson’s gauge indicated the balls met the Ideal Gas Law expected pressure for time & temp at half-time.

    FURTHER, the Colts had the same problem in 3 of 4 balls the NFL had checked. Yet the fact that 75% of their balls were ‘bad’ with the short-needle gauge is a-okay and not evidence that the two gauges produce two different results.

    Yet, magically, none of this evidence that shoots big holes in the ‘cheating’ argument is considered.

    I’ll be honest, I’d love it if Brady was guilty and the Pats got hammered on a GOOD, FAIR and COMPETENT investigation. But this was a travesty and the report screams prosecutor bias and incompetence.

  169. Another leak by the NFL. I’m shocked. This is what needs to be investigated. All of these leaks are absolutely ridiculous.

  170. “It’s now clear why P Manning went to the Broncos after being let go by the Colts. He felt comfortable leaving one cheating organization(crowd noise among others) to go to another( cheating the salary cap for one. Or should I say twice). Both organizations won Super Bowls so henceforth any mention of Colts* and Broncos* seems to be the standard set by all haters. So here’s to you Colts* and Broncos* and while we’re at it here’s yours too Peyton*”

    Don’t stoop to their disgusting level, bro. Neither Tom nor Peyton have asterisks.

  171. dumbaseinstien says:
    May 18, 2015 1:30 PM
    I have never heard of an investigation where the Investigators agree that follow up interviews won’t occur. Anyone that believes that should buy the mineral rights to an asteroid in the asteroid belt. It’s a standard process where investigators interview a person, with given evidence, then after interviewing others…come back to ask additional questions regarding inconsistencies in 2 or more testimonies. The Patriots preventing follow up questions 100% implies guilt & complicity.

    Cops do that, lawyer doing investigations routinely get one shot at taking depositions, etc…..it’s why Wells agreed to only interviewing everyone once.

  172. Amazing that they have the same numbers on the road….when the opposing team’s locker room attendant is in charge of the balls after the ref inspection. Dorito Dink — the guy everyone is saying deflates the footballs — doesn’t travel with the team.

    Can’t have it both ways. Sorry.

    Rule change specifically lets visiting team provide their own balls.

    Sorry, but do some research.

    And before anyone squawks about “fumble theories” simply look up the numbers and explain how the Pats cut fumbling in half immediately upon the passing of this rule.

    Cheaters cheating, again.

  173. higheriqthanyou says:
    May 18, 2015 7:07 PM
    Amazing that they have the same numbers on the road….when the opposing team’s locker room attendant is in charge of the balls after the ref inspection. Dorito Dink — the guy everyone is saying deflates the footballs — doesn’t travel with the team.

    Can’t have it both ways. Sorry.

    Rule change specifically lets visiting team provide their own balls.

    Sorry, but do some research.
    __________________________________

    So who is cheating in this scenario? The refs or the away team ball boys?

    Let’s say pats submit game balls at 12psi, the refs check them, add air, and give them to the away team ball boy.

    Now somehow the pats get the away team ball boy to help them cheat? How does that make sense? How does the opposing teams ball boy not notice that the footballs in his charge are coming back lighter?

  174. Hopefully he NFL will fix this mess for the future,
    meaning everyone plays with the same game balls.
    Then it will be interesting if the Patriots fumble ratio will more closely mirror the rest of the league

  175. ‘This is a perfect example of why Brady did not give his personal phone records to Wells – he had no confidence that the NFL would not leak them.’

    The NFL never ASKED BRADY TO HAND OVER HIS PHONE. How long are the pro Brady forces going to keep lying about this? The NFL never asked for personal possession. They left it up to the Brady lawyers to pick which if any texts and emails they’d hand over and they REFUSED.

    Also, it’s absurd to say Wells couldn’t have a follow up interview. This ain’t a court of law, it’s an investigation run by a private business. And a follow up interview is standard in any good investigation to ask about things you only got from the first round of interviews. The question should be why is the Brady team arguing that a 2nd interview is forbidden when they claim the two men did nothing wrong.

    2, 4, 5 interviews, who gives a rat’s if they did nothing wrong? The question is why the Brady team chose to lie and say Wells had already interviewed him 4 times, which is flatly false. And, I don’t see how this constitutes ‘a leak’. Wells himself can’t have phone interviews every day to correct the record on things the Brady machine are putting out. So someone from his office did. Whooptie do.

  176. To clarify…the NFL never asked for possession of Brady’s phone or his personal info, texts, etc. They only wanted texts, emails relating to the issue of deflated balls. They’d never have knowledge of any personal Brady info to leak.

  177. “smasonsmith says:
    May 18, 2015 3:37 PM
    Which constitutes lack of cooperation.
    ===
    Not if there is nothing to turn over.

    TW: “Give me all your phone”
    TB: “No. CBA.”
    TW: “Ok… Give me filtered texts that are relevant to deflation of footballs or a conspiracy to do so.”
    TB: “There aren’t any.”
    TW: “YOU’RE NOT COOPERATING!”
    TB: *Walks away*”

    That isn’t what they said. They didn’t say there was nothing relevant. They said they wouldn’t give the phone to HIS OWN lawyers to review what was on there for relevance.

    In discovery, lawyers ALWAYS review materials for relevance before producing them. It’s that way in every litigation. But Brady wouldn’t even give the phone to his own lawyers.

  178. “stburke40 says:
    May 18, 2015 6:17 PM
    dumbaseinstien says:
    May 18, 2015 1:30 PM
    I have never heard of an investigation where the Investigators agree that follow up interviews won’t occur. Anyone that believes that should buy the mineral rights to an asteroid in the asteroid belt. It’s a standard process where investigators interview a person, with given evidence, then after interviewing others…come back to ask additional questions regarding inconsistencies in 2 or more testimonies. The Patriots preventing follow up questions 100% implies guilt & complicity.

    Cops do that, lawyer doing investigations routinely get one shot at taking depositions, etc…..it’s why Wells agreed to only interviewing everyone once.”

    Actually, they don’t. They almost always explicitly reserve the right to talk to the person again, if more questions come up during the course of the investigation.

    There is no evidence that Wells agreed to interview each witness only once.

  179. What it really tells you is that the emails in question were likely buried in a mass of minutia which is why they didn’t jump out. This plays more to the Patriots claim that McNally had many text conversations going on at once at times.

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