Report: NFL, Patriots working to resolve #DeflateGate

With the NFL’s owners gathered in San Francisco for quarterly meetings, some important business potentially will be transacted over a large bowl of Rice-A-Roni.

Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that the league and the Patriots are engaged in “back-channel conversations” to determine whether the league and the team can resolve their differences without an appeal or potential litigation.

These discussions presumably would apply only to the $1 million fine and the two draft picks stripped from the Patriots — a first-rounder in 2016 and a fourth-round selection in 2017. But those back-channel negotiations could result in a wink-nod understanding regarding a potential reduction in quarterback Tom Brady’s four-game suspension by the league, along with a commitment by the Patriots to persuade Brady to accept the outcome without filing a lawsuit of his own.

The broader question for the NFL becomes whether fans and/or the media would react negatively to a deal, especially since so much of what the league currently does seems to be driven by P.R. considerations. The challenge would be selling the reduced penalties without admitting that independent investigator/special prosecutor Ted Wells and executive V.P. of football operations Troy Vincent got it wrong.

Ultimately, the manner in which the fans and/or the media will receive the explanation for reduced penalties will hinge on whether the reasons are plausible or whether they come off as spin control.

Which means that the spin control had better be plausible.

289 responses to “Report: NFL, Patriots working to resolve #DeflateGate

  1. Interesting development. I’m willing to bet that it won’t ultimately happen, because neither side is in a position to admit fault.

  2. Anything short of Brady, Belichick and Kraft being permanently banned for their annual transgression would be a travesty. The NFL is a rich man’s professional wrestling. Nothing real about it!

  3. And Florio continues to just make things up in just conjecture of conspiracy on the NFLs part. This guy is not a journalist. Stop defending the cheaters

  4. Who cares what fans of the teams other than the Patriots think. This has never been about what they THINK. Nor about what they BELIEVE. But about what they want others to believe.

  5. “Without admitting that Ted Wells and Troy Vincent got it wrong.”

    Ha, yeah, right. League doesn’t need to even bother admitting what the rest of us already know.

  6. My question is this: Why couldn’t a deal like this have been made for the Saints during the bounty scandal?

    It’s pretty clear to me that the Pats are the commissioner’s darlings. He only meted out the punishment that he did to look tough to the fans and the other 31 teams. It’s clear that he is inept and must have the punishment authority taken away from him. It should be done by a committee, not one guy.

  7. If they are going to reduce the Pats punishment, they need to give 2 draft picks back to the Saints. Not saying the Saints didn’t deserve fair punishment for breaking the rules, they did: cue the word FAIR. You can’t have one set of rules for Robert Kraft and a completely different set for every other franchise.

  8. NFL is getting ready to cave because they know they’re wrong. No suspension, maybe a small fine and a token pick to save face. Otherwise, take them to the mat.

  9. So they can hold Adrian Peterson out for 15 games for something he hasnt been found guilty of but 4 games for cheating is too much? Oh, hell no. It will only be confirmed that Goodell harbors the Patriots if this happens.

  10. There is no acceptable deal that doesn’t involve a full exoneration. They’re getting scared and want this handled. Screw em, they hit the pats with the biggest sanctions ever while havin a report that isn’t fit to line a bird cage and now they want to make a deal? no dice.

  11. lol the league know they are going to get killed in court , even a 50$ ambulance chaser (thinks about mike and hope the ambulance doesn’t brake too fast) could make the league look like monkeys putting weight behind that joke of a wells report .

  12. To all haters:

    Jealous is NOT evidence.

    Just because your team has a dysfunctional owner, can’t draft a lick, or run the ball at the one yard line does NOT make that evidence

  13. I am in shape or form a Pats hater or fan but it is so absurd to think the ball boys would do anything to the balls without Brady’s consent its breathtaking. Kraft comes off a real self-righteous megalomaniac. If they get away with this it would be truly disturbing.

  14. There’s no good outcome from this. What a terrible idea and back room deal that makes everyone believe the league is rigged for the richest teams.
    This is no different than the quote “deal” they made with Ray Rice. First deal was 2 game suspension. second deal was when the video came out they ALL (NFL/Ravens) acted like criminals to cover their own bad decision! Brady lies and gets nothing Ray tells the truth but then when video comes out goddel says he “lied” and the video showed a different picture.

    Integrity of the game be damned as long as I don’t piss off the owners. #FIREGODDELLBOT

  15. They got off light, especially when compared to the Saints who did break the rules, but didn’t gain a competitive advantage from it. What the Patriots did give them an advantage on the football field.

  16. Preferential treatment for the cheating crybabies. NFL can’t have its golden boy tarnished. Regardless…everyone knows the truth. The asterisks will never fade.

  17. Most overblown story in the history of sports.

    We are talking about – .5 of air pressure per square in a football!

    It’s more probable than not that if this was anyone besides the Patriots we would never be talking about this.

    It’s a parking ticket and the mob wants the death penalty.

  18. Well, there wasn’t much plausible about the Wells report. So it’d not be hard to be plausible while abandoning it

  19. League would show major weakness by backing down and doing a deal. Brady/Pats are the little kid who stole a cookie and keeps denying and denying, digging himself deeper and deeper, instead of just admitting, up front, they stole the cookie. They pushed all their chips to the center of the table – calling the NFL’s bluff. League will look foolish if they blink and back down, even a little.

    It’s amazing how far the NFL has fallen in stature in the few years that Goodell has been in charge.

  20. The NFL better not let the Patriots off the hook… the league would lose any hint of integrity it has.

    The Patriots are flagrant repeat offenders when it comes to rulebreaking. The right penalty would be imposing a full-season suspension on Brady and stripping the Patriots of their ill-gotten title. Cheating is the most heinous crime when it comes to the product on the field, and it demands the most severe punishment.

    If the league caves and reduces the penalty, it’s all over.

  21. get rid of the brady suspension , cut the fine to 500,000 , make the 1st rounder a 2nd , and the 4th a 5th and you have a deal roger . the patriots admit their employee took the balls off the field which was wrong and illegal .

  22. Not surprised.

    It’s obvious the NFL is scared, as they should be. They would be fools to let Team Brady take them to court where they will be ordered to turn over their phones and messages identifying the leaker who published the LIE about 11 of 12, plus evidence that this story is a crock, that there WAS a sting and there WAS a conspiracy perhaps among some owners to bring down the team responsible for destroying their beloved parity.

    That anti trust exemption is a precious thing. Wouldn’t want anything to happen to it now would they. 🙂

  23. The only sure thing about this entire idiotic and ultimately meaningless “scandal” is that a gerbil could do a better job as NFL Commissioner than the incumbent.

  24. The NFL knew that the Pats would appeal this decision. Why didn’t they have talks with them BEFORE handing down punishment? It would have been easier for both sides to save face then.

  25. Tom Brady, If you don’t fight this to the finish, your kids are always going to be labeled the sons and daughter of a cheater. Go as rogue as you have to, but don’t let this conspiracy against you prevail.

    No matter what the cost, fight

  26. Tom Brady, If you don’t fight this to the finish, your kids are always going to be labeled the sons and daughter of a cheater. Go as rogue as you have to, but don’t let this conspiracy against you prevail.

    No matter what the cost, fight

  27. So tired of this story. And it’s not as bad as when the Broncos stole two titles for cheating the salary cap. Oh, they also got caught taping an opponents practice. History of cheating. Truth hurts.

  28. If there is a behind the scenes reduction in punishment for Brady and the Patriots, there should be a probationary period, allowing the league to monitor the franchise and with the franchise agreeing to automatic, severe sanctions if rules are broken in the future.

  29. The league should remember that precedent will be sent for all cheating cases. Go to lenient and cheating for all teams will be worth it.

  30. Jane Skinner (Goodell’s wife) must have told Roger he was looking like an overbearing idiot. Penalty reduced to $25k, like the rulebook says. NFL apology to Pats and Brady for overreach. Ted Wells prohibited from any more NFL investigations.

  31. It still blows me away that Goodell looked at a text of Tom Brady demanding the footballs be inflated to a proper limit and deemed it proof of cheating.

    He should have had an independent lawyer read the WR for 2 weeks and then completely dismissed the charges against the pats and made a public statement about how the NFL is never retaining wells again.

    The problem the NFL put themselves in is when they decided that proof an infraction didn’t happen was proof that it did.

    Everything else with #16psi-gate comes directly from that.

  32. If the Pats didn’t do anything wrong why would they take a “plea” deal? Everyone knows that Ted Wells/Troy Vincent got it wrong, so they should just see this to the end and have the whole thing thrown out. Having the penalty reduced tells everyone that the Pats are excepting some guilt.

  33. Give Sean Payton his money back…Give the Cowboys and Redskins their salary cap money back for not going along with collusion.

    Goddell is a complete fraud!!!

  34. So in these “back channel” negotiations, is Goodell playing the role of Kim Jong-un?

  35. 1 million fine, lost 4th round pick, 2 game suspension, like it should’ve been all along (don’t be scared of two games Roger, just because you got that wrong once).

  36. Did anyone else notice the league made us completely forget about the employee they fired for stealing gameballs that night?

    We all agree something weird was going on that night, maybe it was the function of the thief the NFL buried.

  37. The only ONLY rationale for the Patriots anger, from my perspective, is that the league could have alerted all teams as soon as they heard about the deflating issue, to not attempt to monkey around with the equipment. Then the Patriots would have had a change not to embarrass themselves by getting caught.

    But I also believe that the Patriots and their fans either don’t know or don’t care that the majority of football fans around the country believe that the Patriots have cooked their own goose when it comes to believe-ability.

    This is an integrity issue, about the game, about the team, about the quarterback. The Patriots are trying to turn this into a soap opera.

  38. Given Goodell’s penchant for looking bad, very good chance this deal happens.

  39. Uh oh, sounds like Goodell is getting a little sweat on his brow now. I guess since Florio (once again) did the leg work for everyone and figured out the Wells Report was bogus, now it’s time for the rest of the press is following suit.

    I’ve got a counter offer, Roger. It involves your desk cleaned out and your head on a stake next to Troy Vincent’s.

  40. What it boils down to is where Goodell’s allegiance truly rests: in the hands of Kraft, or of the other 31 owners? We all know what the fans of every team not in Foxboro will say: reduce the penalty and Goodell favors New England. And those Pats fans will surely say reduce it because the league was wrong and Brady is a God. But what matters more is how the other teams react. How will the Saints front office handle it to see the Pats avoid a heavy hit for their scandal? What about the other AFCE teams watching Brady and BB get favored? Or any other team that had been hit with a lost pick or fine for something that may have been less impactful on the game? Like perhaps Cleveland with the Textgate? Harmless action gets their GM suspended and heavily fined. Or Atlanta? Pumping crowd noise is illegal but hardly effects an outcome. If they see Goodell let this skate, I can’t imagine it will go well with 31 other franchises…

  41. If that happens I will be certain that the N.F.L really is the National Fixed League. I think patriot fans, and football fans overall are just sick of it!

  42. insightfulcomments says:
    May 18, 2015 8:25 PM
    So they can hold Adrian Peterson out for 15 games for something he hasnt been found guilty of but 4 games for cheating is too much? Oh, hell no. It will only be confirmed that Goodell harbors the Patriots if this happens.

    Insightful: I’d suggest a remedial English class.

    Furthermore, Adrian Pederson’s suspension was overturned. He, incidentally, was credibly accused of stuffing leaves in the mouth a four year old boy while he flayed him. Tom Brady “may” have had “general knowledge” of leaking POINT THREE PSI out of game balls.

    Adrian Pederson and Tom Brady should never appear in the same sentence.

  43. Are you kidding me, Goodell? We all thought you were in Kraft’s pocket before this and if you back down from this in the face of Patriot* attempts at ridiculous obfuscation (“the ‘deflator’ was just a guy trying to lose weight”) we’ll know we were right. In addition, what a horrible message that will send–“Hey, it’s ok to cheat (again!), just deny and fight it tooth and nail and don’t cooperate so they can’t get the goods on you!” How shameful that would be….

  44. We had them red-handed until science ruined everything!

    Damned pesky science.

  45. Not buying it for a minute.
    There is no way Goodell could meet the terms of what it would take to placate the Patriots and Tom Brady without costing him his own job.
    Patriots are not going quietly in the night.

  46. The only way I can see the world outside of N.E accepting the penalty reduction is if Goodell clearly and aggressively cites the missteps of the league in the wake of the AFCCG and the investigation. I don’t see that happening.
    Goodell doesn’t admit any wrongdoing from himself or the league employees, no matter how shady his people may be.

  47. Innocent people don’t try to make back-channel deals…….but I would give Kraft a deal……you get your $1 million and your draft picks back, if you admit to cheating, and to lying……same with Brady…….admit you cheated, and we’ll reduce your suspension to 1 game……

  48. “Which means that the spin control had better be plausible.”

    Plausible like the “deflator” explanation?
    It’s over. If this report is true (I think it is), then for me at least, it’s over and the NFL knows it. The Patriots Internet Defense Force has indeed been justified in protecting the wall. Although I reveled in it, I sincerely apologize to Pats fans for trolling so much. Good luck in 2015.

  49. Nfl yawn!!!!!!!! Cant compete with real futbol. Just like in Brazil who is brady oh yeah jesils husband. What is football no one in this planet cares or even knows the player’s an franchise. Messi would buy any team if he likes

  50. Nice try NFL. Tried to distract the Patriots before the Super Bowl with that LIE about 11 of 12.

    Ya failed.

    Good try good effort! 🙂

  51. Between Robert Kraft and Tom Brady, Kraft is the only one with any incentive to settle this prior to litigation. I just don’t see any reason for Brady to do the same. The NFL’s evidence against Brady is literally nonexistent – two guys saying dumb-sounding things via text (but without once mentioning deflating a ball or Brady’s preference for illegal balls) and balls that only have a too low PSI if you ignore a referee’s best recollection of which gauge he used. That’s it. Even the stupid “deflator” comment loses its value as evidence if you just google “deflate” and “belly” or any other weight loss term. Even though everyone has been laughing at the connection, the google search results include literally thousands of ads mentioning “deflating a belly,” etc. It’s actually a reasonable statement. If I’m Brady’s lawyer, I’m literally licking my chops for the opportunity to attack the NFL in court. Once you toss in the NFL’s silence while the Patriots were tried in the court of public opinion based on incorrect PSI values, it could get very, very ugly for Roger Goodell.

  52. IF Tom Brady did NOT ask the equipment manager OR anyone on the Patriots’ staff to deflate gameday footballs to LESS THAN 12.5 psi, he has ALREADY been defamed by the NFL-commissioned Wells Report in a way that few people in HISTORY have been defamed given his public profile. Why would he NOT sue the NFL? If he agrees to even a ONE game suspension, it will be rightly perceived by the majority as an admission of guilt.

  53. somethingcool82 says:
    May 18, 2015 8:22 PM

    And Florio continues to just make things up in just conjecture of conspiracy on the NFLs part. This guy is not a journalist. Stop defending the cheaters
    __________________________________

    And comments like this show that you really don’t care what the facts are.

  54. Goodell is now aware of how flawed the Wells report is and wants to save face…

    Maybe some of the other owners has voiced their opinions of this witch hunt and he is having second thoughts.

    He needs to resign IMO…

  55. If anything gets overturned in this reasonable punishment, then I hope every team is encouraged to cheat just as much, if not more, than the Patriots.

  56. And Dez Bryant still awaits his apology for dragging his name thru the mud on the “Walmart video” you wrote about for 4 days that never existed

  57. If the NFL folds on this…This league will be irreparably harmed. Brady was totally responsible for the suspensions of the two equipment guys and that loser has remained mute. Yeah give the prick a pass.

  58. Kraft is probably willing to take on some punishment for Brady to be exonerated and to provide the league a symbolic saving of face, regardless of whether he believes the Pats are in fact innocent.

  59. Even if the punishments stay, this is a positive development. The league needs to work with teams instead of setting up whatever you want to call how they hit NE after the Colts game.

  60. macker1283 says:
    May 18, 2015 8:40 PM

    “Back channel” negotiations immediately leaked and posted on channel making them inherently not back channel

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    more like a test ballon to see how the patriot hating fans would react . the nfl know they are going to lose if that report ever gets in a court .

  61. Stop comparing bountygate, paying people to potentially ruin a man’s career through injury, with the meteorologically-reduced pressure in footballs.

    One is serious, the other is laughable. I’ll leave it to you to figure out which is which.

  62. To compare the Saints Bountygate to the Patriots deflategate is like comparing an armed robbery to shoplifting. A lot of irrational posters on this board. Get over your jealousy and hatred. Go see a shrink or something.

  63. Why not have an independent arbitrator take over the appeal and render a decision. That resoles the matter and prevents a whitewash.

    A negotiated deal just looks like the NFL spiked the penalty to give them bargaining power to complete a cover up.

  64. I guess. A 5th rounder for not giving up McNally for a fifth interview, a hundred thousand dollar fine for the ball boy taking the balls into the bathroom, even though nothing happened in there, no suspension for Brady and a public apology from Goodell.

  65. wimpyburgers says:
    May 18, 2015 8:38 PM
    The only ONLY rationale for the Patriots anger, from my perspective, is that the league could have alerted all teams as soon as they heard about the deflating issue, to not attempt to monkey around with the equipment. Then the Patriots would have had a change not to embarrass themselves by getting caught.

    But I also believe that the Patriots and their fans either don’t know or don’t care that the majority of football fans around the country believe that the Patriots have cooked their own goose when it comes to believe-ability.

    This is an integrity issue, about the game, about the team, about the quarterback. The Patriots are trying to turn this into a soap opera.
    _____________________________________

    The Patriots aren’t turning this into a “soap opera.” They’re defending themselves from what appear to be baseless accusations. You and many other fans may believe they have been caught “red-handed,” but the evidence is beyond sketchy. The idea that they should just passively accept a massive punishment for something they contend they didn’t do is absurd. Go look at the evidence. It consists of cherry-picked segments of two goofballs’ texts and PSI reading that are only low if you ignore the ref’s best recollection of which gauge he used. That’s literally all the NFL has. There’s nowhere outside of a dictatorship where you can face such heavy punishments for such nonexistent evidence. You and a lot of other fans have basically accepted the media narrative that the Patriots must have just cheated. The narrative does not equal reality.

  66. Sue the NFL and dont settle for any confidentiality agreement either.

    This bastard Goodell and Wells need to lose their jobs. Anything less is unacceptable. Make these avumbags pay for their incompetence like they damn well should.

    Make them pay Brady for tarnishing your name.

    Goodell and Wells should be sued for $200 million each to send them both a message that their crap will no longer be tolerated.

  67. NO compromise unless it comes with Mr. Goodell’s and Kensil’s resignations.

  68. Mr Wells: what is this thermodynamics you guys keep talking about? Base on the law of Heat Transfers,… well it doesn’t matter which gauge, calibrated or not, or what science says. What matters is the Patriots are more probable than not guilty since they did not commit a crime.

  69. richheddleson says:
    May 18, 2015 8:46 PM

    Innocent people don’t try to make back-channel deals…….but I would give Kraft a deal……you get your $1 million and your draft picks back, if you admit to cheating, and to lying……same with Brady…….admit you cheated, and we’ll reduce your suspension to 1 game……

    Automaticaly you assume it’s the Patriots who reached out. Think maybe Goodell realized his investigation that an 8th grader could have done is a problem?

  70. You know, I just realized something. Lots of people are saying that deflategate will forever tarnish the image of the Patriots in the eyes of the fans. And at first, I believed it.

    But reading all of the pure, visceral anger and hatred in the comments on all of these articles, it dawned on me: NONE of these people just started hating the Patriots because of deflategate. They’ve always hated them and always considered them cheaters. The results of this investigation merely confirm what they’ve always believed. No one gets THIS angry over a single incident.

    So now, I’ve changed my opinion. I don’t think this will have any long term effect on the Patriots. People that have always hated them will continue to hate them, and people that support them will continue to support them.

    And Tom Brady will continue to wake up next to Gisele Bundchen, and you won’t. And the Patriots will continue to win and all of this will be nothing but a small footnote, and that will make you hate them even more.

    And I’m starting to wonder if this isn’t what all of this was really about in the first place.

  71. Give Sean Payton his money back…Give the Cowboys and Redskins their salary cap money back for not going along with collusion.

    Goddell is a complete fraud!!!

    ——

    +1000 We all know Bountygate was a farse. Faux outrage from the NFL because they were trying to push the players to an 18 game season. Glad Tagliabue saw Bountygate for what it was. Sean Payton got screwed.

  72. That’s all fine and dandy for the rest of the league; but, Pats fans won’t be happy if a deal is struck that doesn’t negate Brady’s suspension entirely. No Brady, No Banner!

  73. LOL at all the Pats haters!!! You are all squirming and I love it!!!

    Can we have at least one Pats hater just come out and say that they hate the Pats and could care less about facts? That I would understand and respect. You all sound like FOX News watching/KoolAid drinking idiots.

  74. “It’s more probable than not that if this was anyone besides the Patriots we would never be talking about this.”

    Of course not. The Vikes and Panthers caught red handed on national TV heating balls in front of sideline heaters and were merely told not to.

    Aaron Rodgers admits he has the Green Bay balls pumped up to 16 psi and tries every game to get them by the refs. Which is obviously a regular occurrence since he wouldn’t have their ball attendants keep doing so if they were getting denied all the time.

    Nobody gives a damn about those teams messing with balls.

    That’s called a double standard by the way.

  75. STILLlolatpatshaters says:
    May 18, 2015 8:59 PM
    NO compromise unless it comes with Mr. Goodell’s and Kensil’s resignations.

    Amen!!!!

  76. Excuses, excuses, and more excuses from all these crybaby Colts, Bills, Dolphins, and Jets fans.

  77. Kraft- Where do we begin Roger…oh yes, first kneel and kiss the rings.

    Now off with your head!

  78. The NFL is worried about the impending lawsuit thanks to their incompetence. How do you allow the balls to disappear and then not bother to re-check them until halftime? And then, how come all of the balls from both teams weren’t checked at halftime? If they can hold the game for lightning, they can hold the game to make sure that all the balls are the proper pressure, so the no time excuse doesn’t fly.

  79. I think a very simple solution would be for Goodel to recuse himself and let the case be heard before an independent arbiter. Not one of his cronies like Henderson, independent. I suspect he’ll lose that power in the next CBA anyway. In exchange for that, the Patriots agree to accept the findings, take any punishment metered and agree not to take the league to court.

  80. just curious mike , when bob kraft and tom brady file their civil suits how much do you think they will ask for in damages . how much has the patriots brand been damaged , how much earning power has brady lost for the rest of his life . 500 million a billion ?

  81. somethingcool82 says:
    May 18, 2015 8:22 PM

    And Florio continues to just make things up in just conjecture of conspiracy on the NFLs part. This guy is not a journalist. Stop defending the cheaters

    —-

    Actually Florio is one of the few journalists that actually read the Wells report. I believe he was the first to identify the imporantance of Walt’s best recollection of what gauge he used.

  82. .
    Goodell obviously realizes that the league botched this fiasco from the beginning. This is simply an attempt by Goodell to save his job.

    I hope it fails…

    .

  83. League is terrified they are gonna be showed for what they are. Incompetent!

  84. Saints fans!!!

    They had recorded audio of of your transgressions, as well as warninings prior to your punishment. Similarly to spygate!

    This deflategate non sense is no where near as evident and conclusive as the other two said examples, nor is it comparable. However the punishment Dwarfs both of them, and all others ever for conduct penalties..

    No evidence.. No justice.. Pure garbage..

    Roger gave in to the PR machine. This is purely an overreaction to the Ray rice AP fallout. Shifting irresponsibility from one side of the scale to the other.. Duh.

  85. tigerlilac says:
    May 18, 2015 8:56 PM
    Why not have an independent arbitrator take over the appeal and render a decision. That resoles the matter and prevents a whitewash.

    A negotiated deal just looks like the NFL spiked the penalty to give them bargaining power to complete a cover up.

    That would be the smart thing for Goodell to do….but it’s against his philosophy of ‘always go with the no-win situation’.

  86. I would like to see it resolved this way, a statement to this effect from the NFL:

    “The NFL now recognizes that it is at fault in the football inflation controversy. We established rules for the handing of game ball and we did not follow them.

    While the Wells Report indicated that it is ‘more probable than not’ that the balls in question were improperly handled, it has come to light that his has been the standard practice by many quarterbacks over the years.

    The NFL acknowledges that it put the quarterbacks in this position and, thus, it must shoulder the consequences of our lax oversight.

    All of the penalties and sanctions previously announced against the New England Patriots and their personnel are hereby rescinded. The League will announce a new procedure for control of game balls prior to the pre-season schedule getting underway.

    Thank you”

  87. Full apology, Goodell spends next season as Brady’s junior assistant ball boy in training so he can learn how footballs work.

  88. Could they have had Vincent render the decision in the first place so Goodell could step in and save the day on appeal if the infarcetigation started being picked apart by the media (which it now is)?

  89. The Ted Wells report was case was flawed from beginning to end. Even a jail house lawyer could have found the inaccuracies and inconsistencies in the way the report was slated to try to justify that some illegalities took place. While it is probably that there were some hanky-panky going on, the Wells report was written with such neolithic incompetence that it is was not proven. If this case were to go to an independent arbitrator and or court, any judge in these United States will rule in favor of the Pats. That is just how flawed this report is.

  90. I love how people want to relate Deflategate to Bountygate and the Saints loss of draft picks. Air pressure ≠ ruining careers and physically hurting colleagues. And if you think a rule is a rule and they both broke one, I’ll get the firing squad out the next time you do 68 in a 65. Hyperbolic much?

  91. Wow! The Pats are even trying to deflate the punishment. These guys never quit!

  92. bunch of crybabies in nfl get tired of pats winning…oh well cry more n keep saying cheating cause pats dont need to cheat just people get tired of them winning

  93. Don’t do anything until mid Dec. Check every ball at every game from week1, whether indoor, outddor, hot, cold. If ball psi don’t change start suspension immediately, if ball psi changes (drops in cold weather or rise in warm) drop it.

  94. I can’t wait for this team, with its joke of a defense, and 38 year old limp armed qb to just go 4-12 with the cheater at the helm.

    Brady could come back tomorrow and still be 38 throwing to a TE made of glass, a reviewing core filled with Wes welker clones with one more concussion to go before being eligible for their league settlements, and a D filled with busts from the great and powerful billy boy’s drafts.

    The only reason NE is able to compete is because they cheat.

  95. No thanks Rog. Now it’s personal. I’d rather the Pats/Brady fight this tooth and nail to expose how ridiculous the Wells Report is and lose than take any deal from the league.

    As Brady’s NFLPA appeal letter states, “The Report—based on speculative possibilities piled on top of speculative possibilities and a disregard of contrary evidence—is a legally inadequate basis upon which to impose this unprecedented discipline.”

  96. IMO, the ONLY way this is happening is the fact the other 31 owners (or a majority of them) were outraged by the harshness of the penalty. Certainly it’s possible Goodell has had a change of heart examining the report over the course of more time, but how could he so quickly abandon HIS hand picked Investigator & his guy Vincent?

    I’m a Pats fan, but I find it hard to believe Goodell has flooded, especially when public opinion (aka 31 other team’s fan bases) agree on the punishment.

    Goodell stepped up and admitted wrong doing in Rice suspension, saying it was too lenient. Maybe he does another mea culpa?

    Or maybe the other owners fear Kraft going rogue & taking this to Court?

    All I know is that this is a mess all started by the BIGGEST bunch of criers in NFL history, the Indy Colts. I think we can all agree to that. Well, at least 31 teams fan bases

  97. The NFL needs to increase the penalty on Brady and then suspend Belicheat indeffinitely. The Patriots’ locker room is nothing more than a rats nest in the walls of the NFL.

  98. Goodell is squirming…..I love it

    The Pat’s don’t need any back room deals to win this one.

  99. insightfulcomments says:
    May 18, 2015 8:25 PM
    “…So they can hold Adrian Peterson out for 15 games for something he hasnt been found guilty of…”
    ===============================
    so, the 4 year old beat that tree branch with his butt.

  100. You really thought the Patriots would roll over and quit? How sad your teams must be to make you that sort of fan, to give you that sort of expectation. The Patriots always fight, no matter the scoreboard or the hour. It is their best quality, and it will serve them now.

  101. Ball boy was in the bathroom just over a minute. About the time it took to take a leak. Why would he rush to deflate the balls? He would have took his time and gotten them just right.

  102. I’ve seen all of the Patriots 4 Lombardi Trophies and they look just like the other 45 SB trophies….same height, weight, materials, shine, etc..

  103. Anything short of Brady, Belichick and Kraft being completely exonerated and receiving apologies for the flood of false leaks from NFL sources (like “11 of 12 footballs”) would be a travesty.

  104. dynastydriven says:
    May 18, 2015 8:31 PM
    Most overblown story in the history of sports.

    We are talking about – .5 of air pressure per square in a football!

    It’s more probable than not that if this was anyone besides the Patriots we would never be talking about this.

    It’s a parking ticket and the mob wants the death penalty.

    ———————————

    Not to mention that you also have all the Saints and Vikings fans who think that this is even remotely similar to those situations. SMH

  105. Any deal where the Patriots (including Brady) accepts ANY form of punishment will make it appear as if they are guilty and accepted a reduced sentence for that guilt.

    Since they’re innocent of any wrongdoing, anything LESS than a full admission of an ill conceived sting job by the NFL, the declaration of the Patriots innocence by the NFL, a full apology (in person, in public) by Goodell, the shaming of Wells and the firing of Kensil, Blandino, Vincent et al would not be acceptable.

    After that happens, then Goodell steps down. If the NFL is willing to accept these terms….the Kraft should talk.

  106. jonkybon says:
    May 18, 2015 8:21 PM

    Anything short of Brady, Belichick and Kraft being permanently banned for their annual transgression would be a travesty. The NFL is a rich man’s professional wrestling. Nothing real about it!

    ***************
    You’re hilarious.

  107. Guys, why do you think Florio did a 180 on this story? Someone in NBC legal got to him and gave him a reality check. It’s rats off a sinking ship.

    Trump is looking a lot smarter than most of us give him credit.

  108. Isn’t it weird that all of these Patriot fans, and Brady defenders, are now coming out of the woodwork to defend their beloved team?! You’re not fooling anyone Patriot PR team. Everyone outside of Boston hates the Patriots and Brady. #biggestcheatersever

  109. No negotiations needed when this is the SECOND TIME IN 8 YEARS that you got busted cheating. Didn’t learn your lesson the first time so the hammer should come down!

    See you in court! Any judge would laugh the Patriots right out of the court room.

  110. Brady will take the deal, suspension reduced to 2 games and a 2nd rd pick instead of a 1st. Goodell is trying to give him a graceful exit, he should take it.

    #justmanup

  111. Mr. Goodell for these negotiations we will take the lessons of history and follow suit. The Patriots will play the role of General MacArthur and the Pacific fleet having taking a major hit as a result of the Wells report (our Pearl Harbor), however through rugged determination re-emerging as an even more powerful force in the world. You and your cronies will play the roles of the Japanese Emperor and his military pawns, you can remain in as a figurehead, however your power shall be greatly reduced and basically your surrender shall be unconditional….

    Given your strategy and intelligence…this totally seems appropriate.

    signed Robert Kraft

  112. 75% of 20,000 respondents to the PFT poll asking opinions of what punishment Brady deserved stated that at least 4 games suspension was appropriate. And since a larger than normal percentage of the respondents were Patriot fans (just because they are more closely following the case) means that pretty much EVERYONE outside of New England thinks Brady-cheat needs to be taught that cheaters dont get to play (something his parents should have taught him, but clearly didn’t).

    Anything less is proof the NFL is in Kraft’s pocket, like the media.

  113. Yet ANOTHER failing of how the league office handled this. They painted themselves into a corner where doing the right thing now will make them look worse.

    It’s their own fault for blowing up a minor procedural ambiguity into this ridiculous, scandalous crisis. This never should have been a case of crime & punishment in the first place. It should have been “rule process ambiguity is henceforth clarified thusly”, with an outcome every bit as boring as this sentence. Instead, we got a “-gate”.

  114. Brady s fighting to clear his name. He has every right to do that since he is innocent! There is no reason for a man to work as hard as he does to cheat. How I would hate for any of you, regardless of which team you root for, to ever be unjustly accused and ever have to fight to prove your innocence. Put yourself into his cleats. If it were YOU, and you didn’t cheat, but half the world believed you did, what would you do?

  115. So a Super Bowl, in which the accused participated, a draft, and three months of investigation went by and somehow the league is going to change their stance because of a little heat from a team with a history of deceit? Wow. Of course the smart people know the legacy of the Patsterisks. Maybe they can move on to the headset issue next.

  116. “Back-channel conversations” = Goodell partying at Kraft’s house

  117. @razzlejag: One of the best comments I ever read on this site…

    Better copyright it before the NFL uses it before the end of the week!

  118. Let me be first to say, I told you so. The funny thing is how Pats fans view capitulation as proof the NFL has folded. I told you days ago that this thing was over and that Kraft would not appeal.

    He understands he’s in a position of weakness. Maybe it just took the glares and whispers of 31 equals for him to realize that his “acting out” didn’t just affect his team, but the other 31 as well.

    Next up, Brady pleads through Kessler and the NFLPA for a reduced penalty, which will also be viewed as a GREAT VICTORY by the clarity challenged. Court is out of the question and the appeal may even be withdrawn after the owners’ meeting. They’ve had enough of the circus.

  119. Goodell has failed to finesse any of the high profile penalties that have come up on his watch: the bounty issue, the domestic abuse issue (ray rice and adrian peterson) and now this.

    He hasn’t got a leg to stand on to dare speak of the “integrity of the game”. You’d think he’d have learned from Tagliabue’s little lecture to him after the bounty fiasco, but it’s the same old any-way-the-wind-blows Roger.

    $40 million a year. SMH. Words fail me.

  120. Funny how the league couldn’t keep even this under wraps. Instead they have someone run to ASchefter. Sounds like a PR move.’We tried to extend the olive branch to Mr Kraft for the good of the shield, but he just wouldn’t budge’. I smell a rat.

  121. this will be a huge test of brady’s honesty on this matter, he should not be willing to accept any punishment if he is truly innocent.

    if he takes a “plea bargain” the blow to his reputation will be enormous, it will absolutely be seen as an admission of guilt by many.

  122. Jamaltimore, shut up and go polish that statue in front of the Ravens stadium. You know, of the man who helped cover up a double murder by destroying his bloody white suite. It’s amazing how when the shoe’s on the other foot, those who want too hate forget the issues in their own closet.

  123. tedmurph, talk about a 180, about a week ago you wanted Kraft to trade Brady and fire Bill Belicheck. What happened to that view?

  124. Such sweet, sweet salty tears are being shed here and will lap across beaches everywhere this Summer as your 2015 Super Bowl XLIX Champions, New England Patriots, prepare to defend their NFL title.

  125. Any negotiations should START and END with Brady cooperating and turning over any relevant text messages that contain certain keywords. REAL SIMPLE

    Otherwise…………CHEATER!!!! Pentalty Stands!

  126. Kraft & Brady are making a huge mistake trying to negotiate.

    I said from the very beginning in January that Kraft should of assigned his own team of attorneys to challenge Goodell & demand FACTUAL evidence that the footballs were deliberately altered – and by whom.

    The Unbiased Scientific Facts 100% exonerate Brady & the Patriots as well as both the AFCCG game & the SuperBowl.

    Goodell & Wells have zero chance in court to prove anything beyond a shadow of doubt.

  127. You mean this hasn’t been resolved already? Perhaps Goodell is willing to finally recognize the error of his ways and realize he unfairly targeted the Patriots for something every team does, as Aaron Rodgers admitted. He probably also realizes that the NFL has no real rule in their bylaws regarding PSI inflation and just made up a bogus one to entrap the Patriots. I’m sure he also realizes the NFL screwed up this investigation royally by conducting a sting, by using faulty pressure gauges, by not measuring the inflation of the Colts footballs, by losing track of the Patriots footballs. I could go on and on and on. But I think Goodell finally recognizes who signs his paychecks.

  128. Brady needs to have the league run a quasi public service announcement right before each kickoff week 1 apologizing for falsely accusing him of cheating.

  129. As a long time Patriots fans, I’m not going to be ridiculous and say that we didn’t get busted and caught red handed cheating. It’s pretty obvious based on the facts. The text messages and Tom’s refusal to cooperate alone says it all.

    But anything we can do to get a lighter sentence, I’m all for. Just no more 20k manifesto’s. That really embarrassed me as a fan to think that anyone would believe any of it.

  130. realitycheckbaby
    May 18, 2015, 9:39 PM EDT
    Explain the fumbles.

    Patriots cheat.

    Explain the PED violations

    Seahawks cheat and can’t win SuperBowl without them

  131. I hear that the Pats will agree to play with overinflated balls next season.

    (Wait, that didn’t come out right.)

  132. Adrian Peterson, Rice Rice and others start lining-up! What those player did was reprehensible. As a Ravens fan, the Ray Rice story hurt. I believe that the clubs cannot control all off hours/off season behavior of their employees. Especially newly rich young men. I don’t believe my small company should be held responsible for my behavior especially while I am on vacation.
    The huge difference with the Brady case is Tom willfully and with premeditation broke the rules. I have no doubt that he’s guilty. I also have no doubt that he probably would have won the SB without breaking the rules. We will never know. That’s where Tom cheated all football fans, especially the Patriot’s faithful.

  133. qdog112, as a Patriot fan your opinion brings nothing to the table. Your posts are like that of many others, who only bring one view to this site. They are anti-Patriot, to say Mr. Kraft is in a position of weakness is moronic. The NFL if in the position of strength, would only has to stand by it’s ruling. If the article is true, and the NFL is talking about a reduction, it’s because they know they would have a problem in a court of law. Not the hack job that Wells propagated.

  134. The Patriots will play the role of General MacArthur and the Pacific fleet having taking a major hit as a result of the Wells report (our Pearl Harbor), however through rugged determination re-emerging as an even more powerful force in the world.
    ———————————————————————-
    Did you really just compare one of the biggest tragedies in our nation’s history to your team getting penalized over this?

    This is why people hate you guys.

  135. I keep seeing people compare this to Bounty Gate. The obvious difference is: The Saints admitted to it!

    The same thing with Spygate. The Pats didn’t try to hide anything.

    Deflategate is not the same. There is NO proof that Brady did ANYTHING wrong. New England fan or not, there is nothing solid.

    It would be wise for the commissioner and his crew to admit that this was a witch hunt. Pure and simple.

  136. “Aaron Rodgers admits he has the Green Bay balls pumped up to 16 psi and tries every game to get them by the refs. Which is obviously a regular occurrence since he wouldn’t have their ball attendants keep doing so if they were getting denied all the time.”
    =================

    THIS is so typical of Patriots fans’ arguments. They twist the truth or outright LIE. Rodgers never, NEVER gave a specific psi. EVER. Here is what he said:

    “I have a major problem with the way it goes down, to be honest with you,” Rodgers said Tuesday on his ESPN Milwaukee radio show. “The majority of the time, they take air out of the football. I think that, for me, is a disadvantage.”

    “There IS, if you don’t have strong grip pressure or smaller hands, an ADVANTAGE to having a flat football, though, because that is EASIER TO THROW. So I think that is something they need to look at. ”

    Oh, there is this quote: “‘I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take air out of it,’” Simms said Rodgers told them before the game.

    Most Patriot fans will blow right by the part where he says they do it BEFORE inspection. That is the key difference. But hey, if you point enough fingers and sling enough mud maybe people won’t notice what cheaters they are.

    #patriotlogic

    #CultureofCheating

  137. hakunamangata says:
    May 18, 2015 9:16 PM

    I can’t wait for this team, with its joke of a defense, and 38 year old limp armed qb to just go 4-12 with the cheater at the helm.

    Brady could come back tomorrow and still be 38 throwing to a TE made of glass, a reviewing core filled with Wes welker clones with one more concussion to go before being eligible for their league settlements, and a D filled with busts from the great and powerful billy boy’s drafts.

    The only reason NE is able to compete is because they cheat.

    Tee hee. 🙂 Silly Patriot Hater trying to pretend they have any semblence of knowledge about the team and the NFL. 🙂

    Keep it coming, it is quite freaking hilarious!

  138. I think goodell read the report. I think he understands there was no crime. I think he’s trying to get the toothpaste back in the tube. I think he missed the boat.

  139. “You’d think he’d have learned from Tagliabue’s little lecture to him after the bounty fiasco, but it’s the same old any-way-the-wind-blows Roger.”
    ================

    What part of this, from Wiki, sounds AT ALL like a lecture???:

    “On October 27, 2012, former league commissioner Paul Tagliabue postponed the bounty appeals hearing,[75] expecting to set a new schedule on October 29, 2012.[76] On December 11, with three games left in the regular season, Tagliabue vacated the players’ suspensions, saying in his ruling, “I affirm Commissioner Goodell’s factual findings as to the four players. I conclude that Hargrove, Smith and Vilma—but not Fujita—engaged in ‘conduct detrimental to the integrity of, and public confidence in, the game of professional football … ” He laid primary responsibility for the scandal on Williams and Payton.[77]”

    #tellthewholetruth

  140. tedmurph, talk about a 180, about a week ago you wanted Kraft to trade Brady and fire Bill Belicheck. What happened to that view?

    Like many people, I jumped to an erroneous, emotional conclusion(guilt) before reading the facts and digesting the evidence. At first glance it looked pretty bad. I don’t automatically drink Patriots kool-aid, fan or not. Now that I have thoroughly researched both side’s claims, I think they’re innocent. If they were proven guilty, I would have stood by my original statement, and still will.

  141. Not sure if Kraft is reaching out or Goodell is backing off. Either way, it sounds like Brady is staying suspended.

  142. Brady needs to take the NFL and Goodell to court , give them yet one more loss on the NFL ‘s record. Goodell and his minions need to be dealt with severely , no evidence Wells goes from investigator to special prosecuter with no oversight and gets it wrong big time.

    To think Goodell makes 19mm a year and yet he’s a moron

  143. Goodell went way too easy on the Patriot cheaters. If he reduces the already lite punishment, then it will mean that Kraft’s relationship with Goodell is more important than the integrity of the game and that cheating is an acceptable way to win in the NFL.

  144. “Aaron Rodgers admits he has the Green Bay balls pumped up to 16 psi and tries every game to get them by the refs. Which is obviously a regular occurrence since he wouldn’t have their ball attendants keep doing so if they were getting denied all the time.”

    What he said was that when they check the ball they obviously release some air, so they overinflate to account for that. And unfortunately, he wasn’t tampering with the balls after they were inspected like what our boy Tom is accused of having done. That is a BIG difference.

  145. This would have been resolved already if Tom the cheater would have stood up like a real man and accepted responsibility. Now that the NFL knows he likes his footballs deflated and doesn’t play according to the rules, He’ll never win another superbowl again. MARK MY WORDS!

  146. Oh, and for all those Spygate deniers, how about this little gem…. FROM THE TEAM OWNER!!!!!

    “Last time,” said Kraft, “there was no dispute about the facts. The team admittedly said what happened. … It was illegal to videotape [the opposing sidelines], and in the end we admitted it and took our penance.”

    NO DISPUTE
    IT WAS ILLEGAL
    CHEATING
    it had nothing to do with with just being in the wrong section of bleachers.

    “In a September 2006 memorandum sent out by NFL Vice President of Football Operations Ray Anderson, though, all teams were told that “videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches’ booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game.” -Wiki

    #tellthewholetruth

    #CultureofCheating

  147. nikopow says:
    May 18, 2015 9:01 PM

    Bounty gate is more grievous than deflate gate

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    There’s proof of deflategate.

  148. *Haters! You were out coached and outplayed! End of Story! Greatest Coach and QB of all time! Next year one for the Thumb! Tommy goes home to win his 5th!

  149. I said it earlier on a different post…

    This will all come down to not fully co operating… Well at least that’s how Kraft & Brady will allow this to unfold so the nFL saves some face…

    Brady’s suspension will go away… He’ll be fined 100,000 for not turning over his phone..

    Kraft will lose a 5th rounder next year for not making McNally available for additional interview(even though he didn’t have to) but again it’s about the NFL saving some face…

    All other previous sanctions against the Pats will go away

    Roger will have to give Kraft & Brady that public oppology & then go on to say a new policy has been adapted for ball procedure…

    & Keisell will get turbinates within a couple months…

    Anything different than that & I’d tell Roger Thanks but no thanks & we’ll see you in court…

    The NFL created this mess & IT needs to own it!!

    Again the fine & draft pick loss will be for lack of full disclosure or not fully co-operating with the league investigation… NOTHING MORE!!

  150. It’s all about the popcorn at this point. This is great entertainment. More please

  151. Very good to see both sides discussing this calmly. They both stand to lose with the current trajectory of this case. Let’s hope there are mature individuals on both sides (Kraft and Goodell) who understand that the essence of compromise requires both to accept responsibility and to give.

    Of course the third side of this question is Brady, whose appeal is being handle by the Players’ Association. As a Patriots fan, I have seen him act for 14 years in a mature and responsible fashion. What does he get for all of those years? Being treated like a criminal when he asks his equipment folks to make sure the footballs are within the legal pressure range, and not blown up to 16 psi by referees. His public image has been tarnished unfairly. If he were a lesser man, he would want to pursue the appeal and make the NFL suffer for this debacle of an investigation. I’m hoping he will be the Tom Brady he’s always been, and as a result backs away from his appeal, assuming the settlement eliminates his penalty.

  152. I think the best deal is this.

    Goodell admits there is nothing that implicates Brady because there isn’t. Slaps the patriots with a fine for not making Mcnally available and they can have the 4th rounder. give back the 1st.

    If Brady goes to court he wins. There is no question about that. The NFL violated the CBA when Goodell allowed Vincent to decide the punishments.

    The Patriots team really has no recourse so the deal ultimately is for them.

    Methinks the NFL knows they get smoked by Brady in court and ironically all the NFL emails and texts about the case will be turned over. The NFL doesn’t want that to happen.

    The NFL is the biggest loser in this.

  153. The league will probably insist that Brady agrees to accept a reduced penalty and not file a lawsuit as a condition of reducing the Patriots’ penalties. If that is the case, a deal may not be cut because Brady wants his name cleared 1000 more than he cares about missing a couple of games.

  154. I’m a Patriots fan, but even I don’t see how this would make any sense for the league.

    If Kraft appeals (and he still might not), the NFL may well win just on the procedure (owners can’t appeal); if they lose, they can say “we did the right thing and the evil interfering court got in the way.”

    If Brady files a court case (before or after Goodell gives him his ‘unbiased’ appeal — lol), the NFL either wins, in which case it trumpets that it has been vindicated, or if it loses . . . see above about the evil interfering court line of argument.

    However, if the League does some sort of reduction in the punishment to the Patriots, the Richard Shermans of the NFL and fan base will say: “Goodell was in Kraft’s pocket all along!” I just think Goodell’s ego is too big to take that.

    Yes, Kraft is an important and influential owner but the league is the 800 pound gorilla right now — it does whatever it wants. And Kraft’s fellow owners seem plenty willing to stick in the knives — no doubt there will be plenty of volunteers if Kraft gives up his committee seats.

    So, don’t see anything coming of this.

  155. I love how these knucklehead haters give out asterisks like it actually means something or like it is going to be put next to the patriots name on the Lombardi trophy. Hilarious. Keep trying to make yourselves feel better.

  156. Just finished a 6 hour marathon of Patriot Super Bowl videos. Not a single word about cheating.

    I’m confused. When did the Patriots cheat ?

  157. Just in case it hasn’t been said yet.

    Brady absolutely will not accept any suspension reduction. It is all or nothing for him in that regard. Not cooperating is a fineable offense. he may accept that. The NFL is afraid of the discovery in court if a lawsuit is filed. All NFL emails and texts in this case would come out in discovery because Brady’s lawsuit is labor law.

    Analysis!!!

    Brady and the Patriots win again when all is said and done.

    They always win!!!

  158. I can’t imagine Brady would want this to go much further since he seems afraid to turn over his phone records and texts. Pats fans all smug about this going to court need to realize this. Plus the NFL looks weak if they compromise now. Probably ends up with 2 games and Brady maintaining he did nothing wrong.

  159. tedmurph, talk about a 180, about a week ago you wanted Kraft to trade Brady and fire Bill Belicheck. What happened to that view?

    Like many people, I jumped to an erroneous, emotional conclusion(guilt) before reading the facts and digesting the evidence. At first glance it looked pretty bad. I don’t automatically drink Patriots kool-aid, fan or not. Now that I have thoroughly researched both side’s claims, I think they’re innocent. If they were proven guilty, I would have stood by my original statement, and still will.

    —————————–

    That’s what happened with me except no way in hell I don’t forgive Tom Brady for anything short of hitting a woman .

    The way Wells hid the fact that he couldn’t prove that deflation even took place, and let us all assume he had accomplished at least that much really disgusts me.

    If the initial press releases had admitted that they couldn’t even prove that deflation took place then public hysteria wouldn’t have been so toxic and the leagues PR panic wouldn’t have been so destructive.

  160. I just wrote an entire paragraph and erased it, no proof of an infraction on Brady’s part, or anyone for that matter,NO DEALS they didn’t prove anything screw em. Appeal it, Force litigation and file suit against the league. This doesn’t deserve this much press

  161. How do we ensure that the commissioner and his office does not over step again with no real accountability short of the threat of legal action by his targets?

  162. jlpats says:
    May 18, 2015 9:24 PM

    I’ve seen all of the Patriots 4 Lombardi Trophies and they look just like the other 45 SB trophies….same height, weight, materials, shine, etc..

    =======================

    You have exceptional eyesight. The ability to weigh things with your vision is going to serve you well at the fair. 🙂

  163. its obvious Kraft and Brady are scared and they should be. they realize what potentially could start coming out if this thing goes on through the process. they were all big n bad and talking loud and now are calming down trying to reach a settlement LOL too funny Brady n Kraft scared lil kiddies after they realized wait we did cheat n more likely than not its gonna come out so lets see if we cant smooth this over n avoid blowing our excuses ! NO the NFL should NOT allow them to come crying now .. too late its on like popcorn be accountable deal with the consequences… #DontDoTheCrimeIfUcantDoTheTime !! CHEATERS!!

  164. The haters are truly comical from calling for life time bans to calling them cheaters. Their complete inability to keep facts relevant in their opinions is truly astounding!

    Here are the facts of the case that are u deniable!

    There is no mention of anyone wanting or partaking in the release of air below 12.5 psi, in fact there is one text that mentions lowering them back within the legal limit when they were above the legal limit as filled by the refs.

    There is not a single mention or even inference that someone was letting out air after the refs checked, not a single text mentions anything of the sort

    One of the guys was referred to as the deflator, we know he had to always be deflating balls to get the to the lower limit as per Brady’s preference, he did this often from the time they get taken out of the box and again after the breaking in process as well as any time they were over and brady got pissed at him which has happened including the time the refs inflated above the legal limit. The two scenarios one can infer from this, be it innocence or cheating are just as easily plausible

    One guy says he won’t go talking to espn, this is specifically in a conversation about and right after he is working out getting free gear illegaly. This is further verified where the guy getting him the gear states that his boss can’t find out. To infer that the espn comment is about deflation is laughable as it’s literally in a conversation about doing something they aren’t allowed to do and it’s not deflating balls

    The science is all muddled and can be minipulated anyway you want for illogical reasons. The refs didn’t record pre game ball pressures but they remembered where all 24 balls measured, they didn’t remeber what gauge they used to measure them but they did remember what gauge they used at halftime. Ted wells took them on their memory for all 24 balls but chose the gauge they claimed they didn’t use. Using the gauge they used there is proof of no tampering. Using the gauge they didn’t use there is an average drop of .2 psi below the expected range factoring in the ideal gas law. If you think wells got it right the you think that brady orchestrated a whole cheating plan for a non noticeable amount of air ( this is the noticeable ashby the media spoke about at 1 psi this is one fifth of that the weight of one fifth of a falls bill and a squeeze factor of approximately .2 of millimeter when gripping, you are a joke if you think that is noticeable and would welcome anyone in the media to run that test)

    The last important fact is that the ball guy snuck off with the balls and went into a bathroom for a minute. First off against what the NFL said in the report he did no such sneaking and weaved through a room of refs while they were waiting for the end of the NFL game. He exited the room where he ran into another high ranking NFL employee who also didn’t say anything or notice anything wrong. This is all on camera and not debatable. The refs said they were panicking looking for the balls on the field this must have been some seriously quickly elevated panicking because also on camera is the ball boy going right from the bathroom to his spot on the field which means he was gone for one minute, you couldn’t even go up to and ask 2 different guys where the balls are in more then a minute, by the time panick would set in they could have turned their heads and seen the ball boy right where he was supposed to be and its all on camera. Lastly Walt Anderson who refs many games said he never lost track of the balls in his 19 year career and there is nothing in the report to suggests they feel that was an inaccurate statement, so for all the patriots games he has ever reffed they decided to put this into action for the first time on waltz watch during the fac championship game. Lately I will say that if brady was so precise to have all his balls deflated to such a specific number one would think the guy deflating the balls would have used a gauge to hit Brady’s sweetspot. There is no debate that it is impossible to deflate 12 balls within a minute using a gauge, possible without a gauge but thes balls wouldn’t necessarliyy be the exact number or evenly deflated.

    That’s all you need to know about the case and to prove he cheated makes not one but several key assumptions from going against a refs testimony to inferring what people meant on conversations which no mention of a single illegal action or an illegal limit.

    Keep on hating it just shows your inability to be rational and intelligent. I say it’s a witchhunt because they way this was handled and the way the NFL made sure not to correct very damming innacuracies that were leaked to the media and this included sharing the right info with Robert Kraft but making him sign a confidentiality agreement not to mention it, the NFL was purposely going out of their way to have the damming leaked lies stay as fact in the publics eye. Kenzil telling guys on the pats line that they are screwed before an investigation at halftime. And now rober is the impartial arbitrator, I mean cmon, no fan (with a brain), player or owner believes he makes a good impartial arbitrator against himself.

    You may continue in with your life spending your days hating the pats calling them cheaters, and believing what you want, just no this is the heaviest fine in the history of the NFL for the flimsiest case ever brought in front of the league, seems proportional. And don’t mention spyware, many teams hav had multiple infractions an seen no increase in their penalty which includes the jets tampering with revis which they are multiple offenders in the exact same category. In fact my parting though is that the NFL rule book states clear how big of a deal they find this infraction as the minimum fine is 25 000$ ( although the Chargers were caught in 2012 and given only a 20 000$ fine) so when the pats get fined they are penalized 4000 times more then the minimum fine as well as a 4 game suspension, 1st and 4th pick. Seems logical, proportional and inline with other teams past fines. LMAO!!!

  165. An independent review of the commissioner’s actions and the action of the Vincent Team would help restore credibility to the league. A cover up of what the NFL has done is cynical.

  166. Greatest QB of all time!! Deny it all you want haters…. The more you guys speak… The more petty and needy you look! Maybe start demanding your team would operate like the model franchise… The PATS!!!! Now kiss the rings!!

  167. If Goodell backs down at this point he will save league the embarrassment of getting destroyed in court, but he will also I think put his job in serious jeopardy

    Nonetheless, any court or independent arbitrator is going to without a doubt agree the science does not support ball tampering and rip Wells report apart

    He painted himself in this corner

  168. Denny Green’s Knee says:
    May 18, 2015 9:34 PM
    See you in court! Any judge would laugh the Patriots right out of the court room.
    ———-
    You own a house? I will put mine up against yours that the nfl will get destroyed, even by a kid who failed the bar exam the first 7 trys and in front of a judge who’s wearing ny jets pantyhose. Ill sign anything locking in that bet in a microsecond.

  169. nyyjetsknicks says:
    May 18, 2015 8:34 PM
    The league should remember that precedent will be sent for all cheating cases. Go to lenient and cheating for all teams will be worth it.
    _______________________________

    Like how the falcons cheated for 2 years and only got a 4th round draft pick fine?

    This is why hater words ring so hollow.

  170. tigerlilac says:
    May 18, 2015 11:12 PM
    “How do we ensure that the commissioner and his office does not over step again with no real accountability short of the threat of legal action by his targets?”
    ============
    Answer: 31 other owners. You know, the people who elect the commissioner.

  171. If Goodell wimps out on this one to appease his handler Kraft, the 31 non-cheating NFL owners should promptly fire him.

  172. Brady didn’t give up his PERSONAL phone… The phones the 2 guys had were property of the NFL thru Pats so THOSE phones were surrendered…if Brady had texted them or done any type of electric communication it would have been on their phones… That’s how communication works people… Send/receive!!
    Brady gave a 51/2 hr interview and answered ALL questions fully… He drew the line with his own phone… The NFL has been nothing but A continuous leaking faucet of information in Goddells tenure… Because of who Brady is, who he knows, & who he’s married to he had EVERY RIGHT not to trust the NFL with his personal & private info that could be leaked… You know like this story I’m responding to right now!!
    I have to laugh at so many of you clowns that think their is some smoking gun secret on his phone…. If anything it’s the Leagues phones I’d love to see including Grigson, Pagano, Harbaugh , & Keisel’s!!!
    What if Wells told Brady he wanted to search his house?? Should Brady of handed him his keys?? Get a clue will ya??!!

  173. Any Patriot Cheat fans that think this isn’t a clear cut open & shut case are absolute naïve, heads-in-the-sand, delusional, fools.

    1) No question Brady has stonewalled investigators. This alone equates to “Conduct Detrimental to the League” punishable by 4 Game Suspension

    2) No Question text messages between ‘dumb & dumber’ absolutely implicate Brady & Co-Conspirators with intent to Deflate balls = Cheating…punishable by up to 1 Full Year Suspension (as demonstrated with Bountygate)

    3) No question that all Patriot balls tested were under inflated during game = Cheating. The “Nobel Prize Winner” who tries to refute this fact works for a Kraft entity & whose physical work address is 20.01 Miles from Gillette Stadium. His input is a clear biased opinion submitted by a Patriots fan, Kraft subordinate and probable friend. In other words, his input is worth less than a bowl of chowder.

    Brady is G-U-I-L-T-Y.
    Brady deserves to be suspended for the entire 2015 season.

    Anything less proves the NFL cares more about protecting the Patriots than the integrity of the game.

  174. @idiotwhostinksoftaint

    “During the game”. Why would the NFL give a list of places video taping wasn’t acceptable if it wasn’t acceptable at all? The memo would say no videotaping. But it doesn’t. It says you can’t videotape in a way where coaches have access to the tape during the game.

    Do some research sometime.

  175. What a bunch of losers on this website. All you do is cry about how the patriots cheat. God maybe it’s that your team is consistently sucky and you need an excuse to make yourselves feel better about your teams. I mean you gotta be kidding me a freaked billboard with #Tom shady. Get a life. You must really be a bunch of miserable jet fans go out and spend money on billboard. I guess that is the only win the jets can take to the grave because they haven’t won since 1969!!!! Worst fanbase ever. They talk every year and have nothing to show for. Shut up until you win a super bowl again. Which will be never

  176. xsm941f says:
    May 18, 2015 8:27 PM
    I am in shape or form a Pats hater or fan but it is so absurd to think the ball boys would do anything to the balls without Brady’s consent its breathtaking. ************

    Yeah, I can agree with that. That is why they didn;t do anything. Duh!

  177. This isn’t about the NFL being scared. This is about the Patriots knowing they can’t go to court without the truth coming out.

  178. ampatsisahypocrite says:
    May 18, 2015 10:57 PM

    I can’t imagine Brady would want this to go much further since he seems afraid to turn over his phone records and texts. Pats fans all smug about this going to court need to realize this. Plus the NFL looks weak if they compromise now. Probably ends up with 2 games and Brady maintaining he did nothing wrong.

    —————————
    You can’t really imagine anything because you don’t have any facts. Taking the NFL to court, if he chooses to do so, will not require Brady to turn over his phone; he’d be the plaintiff in the case and as such he needs to prove that the NFL either injured his livelihood or set out to defame his character (the latter a high bar to be sure, even for Jeffrey Kessler). Once Wells’ initial premise that balls were “more probably than not” illegally deflated is further exposed for the overreach that it was, anything related to “conduct unbecoming” is fruit of the poisoned tree. No infraction, no phone. Why you haters don’t understand that is mystifying.

  179. People ,in general 31 teams fans are not realistic. 12.5 psi is legal,when the first leak came out it said the balls psi were 10.1.

    The NFL said nothing about the weight for over a month.Turns out the weight was over 11 psi.

    Then we here about 2 gauges,the ref says he used 1 before the game and another at the half.The gauge used at the half measures balls at .35 psi lower than the other gauge.

    Oh and she blinded me with science and now se’s making love to me.
    The ideal gas law would have taken about 1.0 psi out of the ball.

    Now what does this add up to?

    Most kids in grade 8 can figure this one out.

  180. I look forward to the fans loading the balls to 12.5 in January when the Pats are in the playoffs during the tail gate.Waiting 90 minutes and getting the gauge out to test the ball.Because it will happen and the I already know the result.It will have lost air pressure just like your tires in the winter.Make sure you have the air pump ready for your bike tires in the spring if you live in a cold climate.

    Do the test at home.
    Anyone can do it and the Patriots did it and it does not matter what scientist does it.The results will be the same.

  181. A. I’m pretty sure a stealers fan should never chime in on any article to do with cheating! Ever.

    mark4steelers says:
    May 18, 2015 11:30 PM
    3) No question that all Patriot balls tested were under inflated during game = Cheating.

    B. Unless you read the report and learn that if the ref used the gauge he says he used then the balls fell ABOVE what science says they should have been. Wells/goodell didnt like that so they told the ref he must have used the other gauge that was reading almost a half pound lower on everything and based the report around that.

    Also, yes i’m aware you are a stealers fan so reading isnt your strong suit and your attention span is limited to 2.5 paragraphs not 250+ pages. I apologize for making assumptions about your mental capacity when it comes to insanely hard things like basic logic.

  182. Hahaha! So it begins! Brady suspension….dropped! Loss of 1st Round draft pick…. dropped! 1 million dollar fine……dropped! All that will be left is a 4th round draft pick and Mr Kraft’s long awaited apology from the league!

  183. On Tuesday, Kraft should walk into a meeting room with 12 footballs, a pressure gauge, and a refrigerator set to 45 degrees. He should have another owner set the footballs to 12.5 pounds. He should put them in the fridge and set a timer for 90 minutes.

    Then he should ask Goodell if he is willing to bet his job that the balls will lose no more than 0.5 pounds.

    If Goodell refuses, he should say ,”Sorry Rog, you already did.”

  184. One For The Thumb says:
    May 18, 2015 11:34 PM
    @idiotwhostinksoftaint

    “During the game”. Why would the NFL give a list of places video taping wasn’t acceptable if it wasn’t acceptable at all? The memo would say no videotaping. But it doesn’t. It says you can’t videotape in a way where coaches have access to the tape during the game.

    Do some research sometime.
    =============
    And the Patriots were videotaping the Jets DURING THE GAME!!

    You would do well to take your own advice 🙂

  185. Harve Gulch Cowboy says:
    May 18, 2015 11:55 PM

    They suspended the ball boys for doing nothing. Seriously?
    **********************

    Unbelievable. I’m amazed how many of you keep spouting this line. Did you read the Wells report, Harve? Or did you choose to let the media spoon feed you your knowledge?

    They didn’t admit in their texts to deflating footballs, but they did curse out Brady, which ain’t great for your job security around Foxboro.

    But worse than that one of the guys copped to swiping Brady’s 50k-yards football.

    THAT’S why they were suspended (not fired).

  186. -” Logic Says… says:
    May 18, 2015 8:26 PM
    To all haters:

    Jealous is NOT evidence.

    Just because your team has a dysfunctional owner, can’t draft a lick, or run the ball at the one yard line does NOT make that evidence. “-
    ………………………………………………

    OK, STOP. LOL PLEASE JUST STOP!

    All you Pats fans that keep doing this everyday in every article, even all articles that aren’t about the Deflatriots! You’re NOT helping, you’re just making your team look even worse. LOL. You are all very embarrassing. I don’t even care enough about the Patriots to where any of this affects me all that Much, like they are not close to even being nearly on my radar, basically they don’t really exist in the world I see. And I’m Embarrassed FOR YOU when I see this stuff everyday.

    This team that i keep reading about that everyone and the NFL just found and figured out has been cheating for nearly decade would even be EMBARRASSED OF YOU.

    Just Stop.

  187. Gee i thought football was just a game where fans were to be entertained & have a good time.

    who would disagree that the patriots owner & especially their coach are always extremely entertaining?

  188. Of course they suspended the ball boys… But not for nothing, just not for what you wish to believe…
    The controversy stems from them… It is a PR move by the patriots as an act of good faith to the NFL & it’s investigation & allegations levied by them…The NFL was doing an investigation & the Pats are acting in good faith until all is resolved, possibly thru the court system
    They are not at this time fired like soooo many think, just suspended without pay…
    The Pats took the somewhat same approach with Hernandez however with him they completely cut ties from the team even before he was actually arrested based on the severity of the accusation, which as it turned out, was the wize decision on that tragic story…
    The Pats obviously have some issues internally about comments made & the theft of equipment that they are investigating… Though they may be found not guilty of anything in regards to deflating balls there are still issues that need to be addressed that may lead to dismissal or re-enstatement by the organization… Time will tell on that

  189. it’s possible Kraft is aware of the football team. Not all owners are. If he can get the other owners to understand that he cares about the Pats they’ll rescind the draft pick and Brady losses. It’s not like they need Goodell’s permission. This ain’t Rozelle.

    Spinning this isn’t a concern of the owners. They pay Goodell good money to look like an idiot. Rozelle would tell the owners to fire him if they didn’t like what he was doing. With Goodell, the integrity ship sailed long ago.

  190. The Wells reports states that the whole thing started when a Colts intern “gauged’ (by sticking a needle in it) the ball that was intercepted, and then handed it into the the refs, saying it felt soft. That means this whole fiasco began with the Colts committing the EXACT violation the Patriots are charged with (although the Wells report omitted to mention it was illegal for anyone other than the refs to touch a ball with a needle). That’s not a theory – it’s in the Wells report. So is the fact that the Patriots balls were all legal when measured at half-time if Wells had used
    the evidence he collected (Walt Anderson the ref said his best recollection – pretty much the dictionary definition of “more probable than not” by the way – was that he used the gauge with the logo to measure the pressure of the balls. Those are the only 2 facts that matter. This was (according to the evidence in the Wells report) at the least an illegal sting operation (if you believe the Colts that the intern was “gauging” the ball) but as the ONLY ball that was significantly under-inflated was the one the Colts admit they illegally stuck a needle in how can you not conclude that the Colts actually deflated that ball to make sure there was some evidence of the Patriots cheating. Remenber the league initially corrected Mortenson’s statement and said that only one ball was at 9 PSI – the rest were a “tick under”. That was true – that was how the ball pressures were when they measured them at half time. Now the Wells report is saying that ball was at 11 PSI. The 2nd significant piece of evidence they have changed (the first being that Anderson was wrong about which gauge he used). This is significant because it means the difference between illegally gauging (11 PSI) and illegally deflating (9 PSI) when it comes to the penalties they are going to HAMMER the Colts with. I can only assume the whole world seems to be ignoring this because they haven’t actually read either of the important documents.
    The Patriots will be completely vindicated of course as it turns out they actually DIDN’T cheat by deflating the balls after the refs had checked them, and the Colts – well they are probably going to get absolutely destroyed. The only question is whether the Patriots and Brady allow this to all happen without it going to a real court because if that happens then Goodell, Vincent, Wells and a lot of others are going to go down as well.
    I suspect they will get it done without an appeal and leave Goddell and crew intact purely becuase it’s more convenient for Kraft not to tear the league apart. As far as payback is concerned from the Patriotes perspective I think it’s the Colts who were the real villains in this thing, not the NFL.
    A couple of others who actually read the reports and figured it out are Michael Smith and Jemele Hill. Their show last Friday (15th) was classic. Smith’s head was nearly exploding as he was desperately trying not to believe what he now knew.

  191. ….and the more I think about it, which all of these Pats Homer’s who keep pounding in all of these “everyone’s Jealous!” Comments really need to start thinking about as well.

    A Team/org that is willing to and O.K. with doing the types of things they have been found doing, in order to continuously CHEAT and/or skirt the system. Shows very matter of fairly that they have absolutely no respect or appreciation for their fanbase (which is pretty sad considering regardless of what is all happening, whether I agree or not, it’s hard to argue that Pats fans aren’t one of the most loyal and most supportive Fanbases in the NFL). A Team that hold their fans, the people who fund them, admire them, brag about them, support and BELIEVE IN THEM, in such such disregard that they do anything they can think of in order to keep cheating. IS A TEAM WITH ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO BE JEALOUS OF!

    JEALOUSY has never crossed or entered my mind when thinking of this team the last decade, However SYMPATHY, EMPATHY, PITY, SORROW,
    COMPASSION, MERCY & SENSITIVITY for Patriots Fanbase, However, immediately come to mind when I hear the words THE PATRIOTS.

  192. Watching Patriots haters scramble to try to pre-spin this is comical. The answer can’t possibly be that the league screwed up. Nope, the Patriots MUST be discredited! One day Goodell is this tough commish who’s laying the hammer down on a premier franchise, the next day you guys U-turn and Goodell is now in cahoots with the Patriots in some kind of conspiracy, even though you’ve been yelling “conspiracy theorist” at Pats fans for a week and a half now. Whatever supports your story best is what you’ve decided the “facts” are. Dollars to donuts most of you haven’t read the Wells Report in its entirety, but you skipped to the end and read the “Conclusion” section, and it said that Brady probably most likely generally with a few provisos and a wish on the wind knew that air pressure was tampered with, and that’s all you needed. “Brady is guilty! Everything is tainted! Rabble, rabble, rabble, rabble….” It really must be THAT miserable rooting for these other teams. I remember it was frustrating rooting for bad Patriots teams in the 80s and early 90s, but I never got salty towards other teams like you guys do. Relax, it’s just entertainment, this ain’t that serious…

  193. -” davehamgood says:
    May 18, 2015 11:58 PM
    I look forward to the fans loading the balls to 12.5 in January when the Pats are in the playoffs during the tail gate.Waiting 90 minutes and getting the gauge out to test the ball.Because it will happen and the I already know the result.It will have lost air pressure just like your tires in the winter.Make sure you have the air pump ready for your bike tires in the spring if you live in a cold climate.

    Do the test at home.
    Anyone can do it and the Patriots did it and it does not matter what scientist does it.The results will be the same. “-
    ……………………………………..

    Well, I sure hope in January when you’re tailgating and staring and analyzing your footballs that 1.) You are buying and using real handmade official footballs with the same quality of leather, the same material bladders, same types of stitching et al. That have been very well designed, created and updated with the elements and conditions in mind and considered.during the design process in order to be the “official” ball of every game in the NFL. And not just balls bought from random local sporting good stores and walmarts.

    (For one, personally I would think that in 2015 if we are playing with balls that malfunction or deform due to elements and conditions (regardless of the science. If all of you are attempting to use high praise of science to prove that balls can deflate like this on their own, then you’re essentially saying the exact same science isn’t good enough to make and manufacture these balls properly..?)

    And 2.) That all of you are making sure to keep and store your footballs in the same conditions of the teams and REF’S Sidelines which all are kept pretty dang comfortable when the whole areas of these sidelines are kept very warm with the additions and use of Plenty of big industrial BLOWING HEATERS that are consistently mentioned in almost everything written about every NFL game during winter months.

    I’m Sorry But, it seems that this has been extremely overlooked and disregarded in this whole thing, it doesn’t matter what any of these balls would do while sitting in 10, 20, 30 below 0. Because no sideline of ANY teamor any REF’s stations/sidelines (which I’m willing to bet are warmer than the teams) during ANY game is ever close to the same temperatures, these industrial style blower heaters are very intense and work very very well. I refuse to believe that any of those balls were left or placed and stored anywhere where they were exposed to the kinds of conditions that WOULD cause balls to disfigure on their own, for any Long period of time. nope Sorry.

    But better make sure all you tailgaters use the EXACT same balls and are replicating the EXACT same conditions on the sidelines and ref’s sidelines.

  194. The NFL should not negotiate with the Patriots. Even if they decide to back peddle after the appeal I enjoy the Patriots having their reputation tarnished. The longer it drags out the better. Make sure they never try to cheat again.

  195. IF THE CHEATERS MANAGE TO MITIGATE THIS INVESTIGATION?

    TRADE THEIR FRANCHISE TO THE ARENA FOOTBALL LEAGUE, AND BAN THEIR PLAYERS/STAFF FROM ALL NFL EMPLOYMENT.

    AND SCREW THEIR WARPED SENCE OF HONOR, BEFORE IT SPREADS TO ALL OTHER TEAMS. NOTHING LIKE PUBLICALY REWARDING A BUNCH OF CHEATERS.

  196. Worst part about the NFL backing down from the Boston Blowhards is that we have to hear all these Cheatriot fans go on and on about how they knew their precious Brady would win in “court” (news flash: this isn’t a court case) – but anyone surprised that Kraft’s lap dog backed off hasn’t been paying attention in class.

    p.s. So the conspiracy, borne of jealous owners, is suddenly not a conspiracy anymore? No one’s jealous anymore? What a sham.

    p.s.s. Bet the balls were fully inflated weeks 1-4.

  197. The NFL didn’t go where the evidence took them. They went on a fishing expedition when they realized they screwed up and there was not sufficient evidence from the Colts game. That’s why an investigation Vincent said would take a couple of days took three and a half months.

  198. They suspended the ball boys for doing nothing. Seriously?

    Send a few texts or emails to a co-worker cursing and/or being openly hostile to your boss.

    Imagine what will happen if those correspondences are made public.

  199. I’m still baffled how the supposed cheat balls were used in the first half, Indy was only down by 10. Yet when the regulation balls were used, Luck suddenly sucked and the Pats hung some numbers on them. Maybe the Colts should’ve requested the deflated ones back into the game.

  200. “How do we ensure that the commissioner and his office does not over step again with no real accountability short of the threat of legal action by his targets?”
    ============
    Answer: 31 other owners. You know, the people who elect the commissioner.
    ============

    So Brady, and other players, should just trust the owners to fairly regulate the commissioner? Are you guys nuts?

    Blank publicly stated that Brady both got and deserved more punishment for defending himself.

    Do you really think he should let the NFL leak lies, hire a prosecution team and call them “independent” investigators, rig the “scientific tests” and analysis, and smear him publicly because the owners will do the right thing?

    Was Woody Johnson’s wife’s tweet of a smiley face after the Patriots penalties were announced evidence of the owners doing the “right thing”? Was the leak on day one to Kensil by the Colts (by Irsay or with his approval)?

    Even Tagliabue found in favor of the Saints against Goodell. The Courts found for Ray Rice against Goodell.

    The only way to condone what the NFL did is to presume Brady’s guilt and then assume the end justifies the means. A methodology that has wrongly convicted people all over the world for centuries.

  201. To me the most damaging sign of Pats’ guilt is that Colts’ email that says everyone in the league knows that the Patriots tamper with footballs. NFL is a small fraternity and you can be sure players and other employees talk to each other. So if it is known around the league then it is really hard to argue that Deflategate was a frame up job.

    – Patriots fan

  202. Did the Saints, Ray Rice, or Adrian Peterson have access to these ‘backdoor conversations’?? My parents always believed honesty is the best policy. In this case that would mean the rules and policy which everyone else must follow don’t apply to New England.

  203. Reading many of these posts the bias is incredible. However I do like the ‘NY Jets pantyhose’ and ‘blinded me with science’ references.

  204. The funny part about all of these comments is that people are actually claiming that Brady, McNally and Jastremski conspired to deflate game balls after they were inspected. It is painfully obvious that the folks who are claiming this have read neither the Wells Report Part Deux, nor the Patriots rebuttal. That is the sticking point people. Patriots are saying that they did NOTHING to the balls (which has been backed up by the Ideal Gas Law). Even the Wells Report admits that they cannot prove anything. Please take the 4 hours to actually READ those reports before spewing more ignorance. If after reading those, you still believe that Brady is lying, well, so be it. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make em drink…

  205. Cut the fine to $500k and give back the 4th-round pick *if* Robert Kraft gives up control of the team. He can sell it or turn it over to his son, but he should no longer be involved in NFL matters.

    That’s about the only deal I could see the NFL agreeing to.

  206. The Colts just called the League office to complain that whatever the NFL and the Patriots do isnt fair and we need to make up more rules to stop the Patriots from winning games.

  207. Give back the trophies. All of your titles were achieved through cheating. Do the right thing for once.

  208. bearfan34 says:
    May 18, 2015 8:21 PM
    If it involves Patriot fans not sounding like Paterno fans, I’m all for it.

    ———

    That is a horrible comparison. The Patriots are being accused of breaking a sports rule.

  209. Harve Gulch Cowboy says:
    May 18, 2015 11:55 PM
    They suspended the ball boys for doing nothing. Seriously?

    ———-

    They suspended the ball boys because they had to. The punishment was issued. It hasn’t been appealed yet.

  210. More leaks and back room negotiating. Why does it seem so difficult for Goodell to have an upfront conversation about anything?
    I don’t see how a resolution is possible. The penalty imposed by Vincent is just plain wrong and is not defensible by science, the known facts OR the CBA. The Patriots and Brady have been harmed by the NFL.
    Kraft holds the hammer, it is just a question of how hard he wants to swing it.

  211. Thinking the “ball boys” altered the footballs to a playoff game without being told to do it by Brady is laughable. Repeated cheating by the Patriots has to be addressed.

  212. So, another leak from the NFL? What doesn’t the league leak to the media? Florio, you should start a “days without a leak from the NFL League Office” meter on your site like you used to do for players getting arrested.

  213. on a cold day last february, my tire pressure monitor light came on……

    I said to myself “that Tom Brady….he’s such a prankster”

  214. Simple. Make an agreement like this. Start testing balls at halftime next year. Once it starts getting cold see if the deflation occurs the same way it did in the AFC Championship. If the balls do deflate give the Patriots their picks back, if it the balls hold their PSI, take the picks.

  215. canedaddy says:
    May 18, 2015 8:33 PM

    The NFL better not let the Patriots off the hook… the league would lose any hint of integrity it has.

    The Patriots are flagrant repeat offenders when it comes to rulebreaking. The right penalty would be imposing a full-season suspension on Brady and stripping the Patriots of their ill-gotten title. Cheating is the most heinous crime when it comes to the product on the field, and it demands the most severe punishment.

    If the league caves and reduces the penalty, it’s all over.
    —————————————————-
    Yes, cheating is the most heinous crime, so why don’t we suspend every team in the NFL this season since they all cheat, starting with the biggest cheaters of all, the Denver Broncos. Newsflash, canedaddy – they all cheat. Always have, always will.

  216. The best way to resolve this is to fire the liar.

    Goodell that is

  217. It’s about the lying and suppression of the cellphones and interviews.

  218. insightfulcomments says:May 18, 2015 8:25 PM

    So they can hold Adrian Peterson out for 15 games for something he hasnt been found guilty of but 4 games for cheating is too much? Oh, hell no. It will only be confirmed that Goodell harbors the Patriots if this happens.

    —-

    Do you honestly believe that whipping your kid as much as he did is in any way near equal to possibly have a general knowledge of the possibility of under-inflation of game balls?

    Wow.

  219. It all boils down to this: Failure to acknowledge and failure to cooperate.

    #BradyKnew

  220. Instead of continuing trying to avoid it –
    Wouldn’t it just be best for everyone for Rodger Goodell to just admit that independent investigator/special prosecutor Ted Wells and executive V.P. of football operations Troy Vincent got it wrong?

  221. realitycheckbaby says: May 18, 2015 9:39 PM

    Explain the fumbles.

    Patriots cheat.

    —–

    Okay…
    1. You’re not a scientist and you refer to flawed science as your argument–debunked and validated as debunked numerous times.
    2. The Patriots are good.
    3. You hate that fact–join the crowd.

    Anything else?

  222. Greatest QB of all time!!
    ==================
    ***Greatest QB of all time!! There, fixed it for you..

  223. I find this hard to believe NE would not accept anything but a fine.

    You want to say the big reason for the beef is because the Wells report states he believes air was let out after the officials handed game day personnel the footballs?

    Okay – agreed.

    In 2013 the SD Chargers were fined $25,000 for applying an adhesive to the ball which, in Ted Wells verbiage, was highly likely done after the officials handed the game day personnel the footballs (after all, the officials aren’t going to hand them footballs with stickum on them).

    Because we have social media, 24/7 talking heads without much to say and time to fill and it is the NE Patriots this has somehow affecting Truth, Justice and the American Way.

    Remember the days when the Oakland Raiders were accused of deflating the footballs, writing obscenities on them, accused of planting listening devices in opposing locker rooms? Bill Walsh’s 49ers were accused, by Bill Parcells, of jamming the Giants communication system to the coaches in the press box and Bill Walsh not denying it? Anyone remember the Broncos defensive lineman being accused of spraying silicone (or whatever it was) on their jerseys?

    The common thread is these teams were all at the top – just like the NE Patriots. But they didn’t play in a 24/7 fishbowl. This was met with a great jocularity and boys will be boys type of gamesmanship.

    I also think every QB from Manning to the kid from Oakland (Carr) will defend Brady.

    Goodell need to gain some prospective. He has fumbled on domestic violence and other offenses more than once so now it reeks of him believing if he tries to show he is heavy handed on this issue his slate is wiped clean.

    The worst part is a lot of people are believing this as well.

  224. rt comment
    Harve Gulch Cowboy says:
    May 18, 2015 11:55 PM

    They suspended the ball boys for doing nothing. Seriously?
    ___________________________

    New information out today says the NFL asked the Patriots to suspend them prior to the release of the punishment. That’s probably why they weren’t suspended until May 6th. If they Patriots thought they had done something wrong, they probably would have suspended them sooner.

  225. this seems the best way to make a bad situation much worse for both sides.

    goodell can’t feed the perception that he softened for his buddy kraft. nobody will ever take league punishment seriously again.

    kraft pushed all his chips onto the table, can’t take them back now. if they did *nothing* wrong, then it makes no sense to negotiate for a reduced punishment or accept any punishment.

    they each staked their positions with no common ground, it’s too late to decide to play nice.

  226. The wells report actually convinced me that Brady is innocent.

    if they were deflating the balls, why would were the balls over-inflated for the Jets game ? Jastremski claims in his message that the balls should have been at 13 PSI . this is evidence that Brady did not want the balls under 12.5 PSI

    why does Wells disregard the Ref’s recollection that he used the Wilson Logo Gauge prior to the game ?
    If the ref used the Wilson Logo gauge, it proves McNally did not deflate the balls.

    Wells chose to ignore evidence which exonerated Brady, while making strange speculations to imply a conspiracy between McNally and Jastremski.

    There is no evidence in the report that Brady wanted his balls deflated below 12.5 PSI. But there is evidence he wanted his balls set at the correct PSI between 12.5 and 13 PSI.

  227. Do I believe Brady should be suspended and have the Patriots lose draft picks? Yes. But before the thumbs down come, consider this, I would rather have Brady win the appeal and have the draft picks returned by an arbitrator than having a deal being struck between Goodell and the Patriots.

    Why:

    It WILL give the appearance that certain teams and players are given more favor and clout than others. If the teams with some of worst 2014 records in the league were in the same situation as the Patriots are right now, would a RESOLUTION even be CONSIDERED? Nope. Brady got 4 games that if Goodell and the Patriots get together will likely be reduced to 2. That would come down to Brady smoking half a joint.

    Remember the BountyGate scandal and this. The penalites are not even close in penalties being doled out. Remember the StarCaps case where the NFL along with Pat and Kevin Williams going to court forever.

    Basically, Brady and the Patriots are the darlings of the NFL. Special considerations will be given in the end.

    The result of this will be putting a crack in the shield compliments of the Patriots and Goodell. I think I hear Cuban.

  228. If they do reduce the penalty and you’re unhappy with it…then stop supporting the league financially…Don’t buy anything with an NFL logo, no Sunday Ticket, don’t support the sponsors and don’t go to games. While you’re at it ditch Direct TV or your local cable provider and go with a streaming service.

    If you’re not willing to take a stand then please stop complaining!

  229. For the good of the NFL, a deal better not be brokered. Too many bad things would happen to the NFL, teams, players, and all if it were to happen.

    Too many bad things to list.

  230. One thing that has come out of all this is the clear realization that Patriots fans are the most delusional in all of sports. It boggles the rational mind to see so many people set aside the obvious truth to join ranks under the banner of a wacky persecution complex. I guess it’s tough to accept that your team’s success is now almost universally viewed as tainted, but the sooner you embrace reality, the sooner you’ll be able to get on with your lives.

  231. The Pats cheat (are caught again…) Try to cover it up…

    Hey, let’s WORK WITH THEM.

    Ban Brady for an entire year.

  232. it really is disgusting that the Pats and their fans think they are above the game. the nfl needs to show some guts here and not capitulate to the arrogant crybabies

  233. Tom cheated, got caught, lied, cost his team picks/money and got suspended. His legacy is tarnished forever. Move on!

  234. Might be the smartest thing that’s happened regarding this whole mess. Reduce the fines and punishment, admit to tampering with the balls and get in over with, done finito.

    Nothing is really gained prolonging this to end up where we are right now. They could cut Brady’s suspension to two games and drop the 2017 draft pick loss and probably both sides could claim some victory.

  235. Did anyone here actually read the reports? I read the entire Wells Report and the entire Wellsreportincontext.com. If you think it is obvious the Patriots “did something” then you are not an objective observer. Forget what public opinion shows. It. Does. Not. Matter. There is no proof that 1) The balls were deflated beyond what could reasonably be expected according to the Ideal Gas Law, if you accept the word of Walt Anderson, and 2) see number 1. Everything after that is moot. I don’t care what McNally called himself or to what degree Tom Brady actually knew McNally. There was no deflation. End of Story.

  236. Denny Green’s Knee says:
    May 18, 2015 9:34 PM

    No negotiations needed when this is the SECOND TIME IN 8 YEARS that you got busted cheating. Didn’t learn your lesson the first time so the hammer should come down!

    See you in court! Any judge would laugh the Patriots right out of the court room.

    I was unaware that the Patriots got “caught” doing anything? Other than taking the balls in the bathroom there is no direct evidence. The assumption that they got busted is absurd and shows that you, along with others, who think the Patriots would be embarrassed in a court room are clearly showing your ignorance and lack of any sort of knowledge of the law. The NFL would get worked in the courtroom based on their evidence. It’s hilarious

  237. The NFL should provide a neutral arbitrator. Goodell is not neutral, he approved the penalty.

    At halftime the 12 Pat balls had an average PSI of 11.49 PSI when measured with the Wilson Logo Gauge. The ideal Gas Law predicts the balls would have a PSI between 11.32 – 11.52. So reason dictates, the balls were not deflated by McNally

    Ref Walt Anderson recalled using the Wilson Logo Gauge prior to the game. Simple logic would conclude his recollection is correct which implies no tampering. If we cannot trust Ref Anderson’s recollection on which gauge he used, why trust his recollection of the PSI of the Colt balls ?

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