Robert Kraft defiant, “really worked up” over #DeflateGate penalty

AP

Nearly two weeks ago, responding to the Ted Wells Report on #DeflateGate, Patriots owner Robert Kraft seemed to throw up his hands at its findings, saying “fighting the league and extending this debate would prove to be futile.”

Then came his lawyer’s 20,000-word rebuttal, which included such gems as Jim McNally calling himself the Deflator because he was fat.

But now, Kraft himself sounds like a man not content with a futile gesture, and one deeply bothered by the league’s ruling.

This whole thing has been very disturbing,” Kraft told Peter King of The MMQB. “I’m still thinking things out very carefully. But when you work for something your whole life …

“I just get really worked up. To receive the harshest penalty in league history is just not fair. The anger and frustration with this process, to me, it wasn’t fair. If we’re giving all the power to the NFL and the office of the commissioner, this is something that can happen to all 32 teams. We need to have fair and balanced investigating and reporting. But in this report, every inference went against us, . . . inferences from ambiguous, circumstantial evidence all went against us. That’s the thing that really bothers me.
“If they want to penalize us because there’s an aroma around this? That’s what this feels like. If you don’t have the so-called smoking gun, it really is frustrating. And they don’t have it. This thing never should have risen to this level.”

Kraft defended quarterback Tom Brady vigorously, saying he sat with him early in the process, and told him: “If you did it, let’s just deal with it and take our hit and move on.”

Brady convinced him, but nothing in the Wells Report rises to the level of what Kraft would consider a smoking gun. Given the severe penalties (Brady suspended four games, the team losing first- and fourth-round picks and $1 million), he thinks there ought to be one.

Kraft said this was different than SpyGate (we’ve added hashtags since then, but haven’t found a better suffix), when the league punished them less severely for taping opposing coaches on the sidelines. Bill Belichick was fined $500,000, the team $250,000 and they lost a first-rounder as well.

“Last time,” said Kraft, “there was no dispute about the facts. The team admittedly said what happened. … It was illegal to videotape [the opposing sidelines], and in the end we admitted it and took our penance. This is very different. In 2007, we did something and acknowledged the fact of what was done. This is an accusation of wrongdoing, without proof.”

And that seems to have put a frost on what had been one of the warmer relationships between an owner and commissioner Roger Goodell.

Asked about their current status, Kraft replied: “You’ll have to ask him.”

So, it should be an interesting meeting this week in San Francisco.

185 responses to “Robert Kraft defiant, “really worked up” over #DeflateGate penalty

  1. Goodell and Wells (aka The Moron Twins) have played all their cards. Kraft, Brady and the NFLPA are just getting started.

    Goodell should be read his rights because anything he says will be used against him in a court of law.

    Let’s hope that a sheepish owner like Arthur Blank, who has personally convicted the Patriots, does not experience a loss of business at his New England Home Depot stores.
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  2. “Last time…” Look no farther than Kraft’s own words.

    What’s it going to be “next time” ?

  3. Kraft where was this opinion that you state now at back when you voted as a owner to agree to all terms of power to the commissioner, O that’s right you thought you had old ROG in your pocket.

  4. “Brady convinced him, but nothing in the Wells Report rises to the level of what Kraft would consider a smoking gun.”

    There is no smoking gun. If there way this would be a way different article.

  5. The bye week should work out well for Tom. Coming back well rested from all that sitting on the bench the 1st four weeks. Oct 18th.

  6. They only “admitted” to what was happening because they got caught red handed with a bunch of tapes. They were hoping to get by on this one with “plausible deniability”.

    While “ideal gas law” is a plausible explanation, it fails to explain why several balls were still significantly below even the highest range of the effects of the “law”.

    It fails to explain why those balls were found to be deflated on a day that someone acused them of deflating footballs. On a day where someone who nicknamed himself the “deflator” took them into the bathroom for 1 minute and 40 seconds.

    It refuses to explain why Brady denied knowing “the deflator” despite plenty of proof otherwise (including 6 seperate phone calls after the story broke).

    They simply thought “plausible deniability” and the lack of a smoking gun would be enough to get away. But in the NFL, all that is needed is the “more probable than not” criteria… Meaning allthough there may be some issues with the report, when considering ALL the evidence, it is very much likely that they cheated. This was the standard for all 32 teams and all players before deflategate. Admitting guilt by the Patriots would basically be admitting they are complete cheaters and would completely discredit them as an organization which was never an option when they know there is no video survelience in the bathroom.

    Sidenote: can you imagine if the comish got a report with all those text messages and it said someone named “the deflator” took the balls into the bathroom and then on the same day the Pats were found to be playing with deflated footballs (beyond the range of the ideal gas law)… And he concluded “it’s more probable than not, it was ALL just a big coincidence and they didn’t cheat”. Everyone but NE fans would throw a fit.

  7. “I just get really worked up. To receive the harshest penalty in league history is just not fair. The anger and frustration with this process, to me, it wasn’t fair.”

    Sorry Robert but the harshest penalty goes to the Saints and they didn’t cheat nearly as much as the Brady and Belicheat led Patriots.

  8. And to top it off, you and the other owners are paying this bozo 44 million dollars a year to get it wrong over and over.

  9. Of course it can happen to any team. It happened to Dalas and Redskins for treating the uncapped year as being uncapped.
    It happened to Vikings and Phanters. Go ahead take a paid leave of absence, yet the players still have to serve their suspension, then why take a leave of absence?

    Not having star players or cap$$$ are the 2 worst penalties in the NFL.Even though more probable than not BillB always picked a star player in the first round.

    But look at Jaguars, 1st round is suspended for a whole year, and their newly acquired 1st rounder is out for the year.

    Look at the Colts they don’t even know what to do with a 1st round pick except when picking a QB.

  10. Kraft is 100% right to be upset

    The science behind defategate clearly does not hold up.

    The balls based on Boyle’s Law should have lost between 1.0-1.2 psi. Even the wells report acknowledges this. The balls at halftime were taken with 2 gauges. One group had a mean of 11.48 and the other with the other gauge 11.1.

    To the best of Andersons recollection he says he used the gauge that gave the mean of 11.48, right in range of expected.

    Even in if you take all 24 balls as one group (not scientifically valid but if you do it) the man is 11.3, ON THE LOWER END OF THE RANGE PREDICTED.

    There was no deflating of any footballs.

    The Wells Report Argues Anderson used the gauge that gave the 11.1 reading in spite of Andersons recollection, Meaning the league contends the Patriots took .38 PSI on average, or 3.2% of the balls pressure out? It just does not make any sense.

    The difference between the measurements is measurement error from gauge calibration. Kraft can and should fight this ridiculous penalty. When you really break down how ridiculous the science is and how it supports that no deflation occurred, YOU MUST QUESTION WELLS INTENTIONS AND THE LEAGUES MOTIVATIONS!

  11. Theres more proof in one text message that nothing was going on then there is in 250+ pages of ted wells imagination that something happened.

    OCT 16 2014 the patriots beat the jets as per usual and tom brady was pissed because the footballs were set to 16 pounds.

    Patriots employee Jastremski texted his finacee this: “Ugh…Tom was right, I just measured some of the balls. They supposed to be 13 lbs… They were like 16. Felt like bricks.”

    And in one simple text message long before this was ever news AND completely ignored by ted wells and the entire NFL front office is the evidence of what T.B. wanted his balls set at, 13 pounds!

  12. So your saying AP & RR isn’t as bad as some psi? Though pats never even took out air.
    In all seriousness I want u to think about this……
    Your obviously biased, I believe so I think it’s safe to assume Goodell and company absolutely saw the elevator video BEFORE THE 1st 2game suspension and they now are saying its twice as bad to take a little air out of a ball (THOUGH:New England Patriots evidence proves they didn’t)
    Common sense should tell you something’s not right.

    It’s so sad, fans and all the other 31teams should have this franchises back.PERIOD. Wait till it happens to them. Only good thing out of this is who the nfl is going against.
    The New England Patriots will hopefully fight this to the end and prevail for the rest of the league. Whether they realize it now or not….
    💋🏆🏆🏆🏆🙌👋
    DEFEND THE WALL
    PATS NATION💪☝️

  13. Kraft helped create this monster and had no words when players were subjected to Goodell’s capricious and arbitrary discipline or when the Redskins and Cowboys received the salary cap penalty for what amounted to illegal collusion by the other owners.

    How is this any different from what he’s allowed Goodell to do, especially to the players, over and over again!

    If there’s any silver lining here; this hopefully helps escort Goodell out of the position. He, obviously, no longer has the blind support of Kraft!

  14. When does this guy stop getting a pass for being such a great guy? His franchise repeatedly gets caught breaking the rules, and repeatedly signs guys with off field issues. Yet everyone acts like he’s such a morally great guy.

  15. Like you, I believe a system of justice – independent justice – is essential. The absurdly inept Pats and Brady investigation and penalties demonstrate that the NFL system of discipline is about agendas, not justice. As many of our forefathers discovered, when the accuser is asked to judge its own evidence, the outcome is inevitable. For the first time since Al Davis, an owner may stand up to perceived injustice and we may be spared further Goodell dictatorial stupidity. As a Jets fan, I enjoy the thought of crippling the Pats drive to return to the Superbowl; as a man I am appalled. I sincerely hope Mr. Kraft protects his organizational name and helps put an end to Goodell’s reign.

  16. Someone should look into why the Packers have the easiest schedule in the division again. Last years schedule was a joke BTW.
    Easiest in the league, played every Sun at 12.
    How did Green Bay score on every 1st drive of every game except 1 last year?
    How does the NFL continue to allow Clay Mathews to dish out late hits, hits to the head and cheap shots. Yet his “image” is of a clean hard nosed player when in fact he is a dirty juiced up cheap shot artist.

  17. Deny, deny and deny if you have nothing
    more. The more he denies without any substansive evidence the clearer it becomes that the organization from owner to equipment
    managers is rotten at core.

    Shame on the whole organization is the way it is turning out.

  18. He should be worked up, by now any logical person who actually read the report (we know the PFT trolls didn’t) knows it was a joke. Wells should be investigated for stealing millions of dollars from the NFL.

  19. you know it’s wierd – my 7 year old has said some of the same exact things when he got caught cheating at monopoly.

    you can’t prove it.
    i hate you.
    this is so unfair.
    do i still get dessert?

  20. yeah remember the “cap penalty” from an uncapped year? its not like the NFL has been consistently inconsistent has it? lol

  21. I’m not saying that the Patriots are innocent, but I will say that based on the gauge that Anderson says he used, science fully explains the deflation. Also, the NFL leaked false psi information that stood in the minds of public opinion for months. The extent of the punishment is inconsistent with these two facts.

  22. Goodell had three months to get Wells back on the leash. Three months of status reports to his client that they had no evidence, but a couple texts seem suspicious if you totally ignore their context and the consistent, repeated testimony of all witnesses that nothing happened. With the fix in, I doubt Goodell even read the resulting report. Can’t read, can’t understand high school chemistry, can’t be bothered to request elevator security footage. What does he do all day?

  23. The ice will thaw when the Commish shows Kraft all the money he is making for him.

    Never let personal issues get in the way of earning.

  24. Bad choice of words, “If you don’t have the so-called smoking gun, it really is frustrating. And they don’t have it. This thing never should have risen to this level.”

  25. What has this world come to when a poor little Billionaire can’t cheat the way he wants to? Life’s not fair.

  26. The punishment is ridiculous.

    I don’t believe the Patriots and I don’t trust the NFL.

    For the sake of the league both sides, who are both guilty of making inexcusable mistakes in this “deflate-gate” saga, need to come together and resolve this peacefully and behind closed doors.

  27. both these knuckleheads have way overplayed their hands.

    bob, the witch hunt caught a witch. brady cheated and lied.

    roger, railroading your best team and best player, then burning him at the stake, is not a good look for the league.

    so what are the rest of the teams really left to think? i better not even come close to breaking a rule or i’ll get punished severely? or instead do they come away thinking i can do whatever i want as long as i’m not the patriots?

  28. Lol
    your super bowl champion team America;

    Super bowl mvp suspended for cheating
    winning team punished tough for multiple offenses
    A star player convicted of first degree murder

    Enjoy the legacy

  29. Everyone sees right through your smoke screen Robert.
    You are the owner of a cheating, stained franchise who will forever have an asterisk placed by its accomplishments.

  30. Awwww poor Robert. He also got off penalty free for employing a murderer when all the signs of a bad man were there..

  31. He is like the guy who goes around town bragging to everyone about his kid only to find out that his kid is much less than he thought him to be. And what’s with these “softball” interviews with suck ups like Peter King. Why not have an interview with a guy that won’t be handing him tissues.

  32. Sorry Bob, we know you like to win but this is long over due. You are not allowed to :

    Video tape other team’s sidelines
    Disrupt communications of other teams
    Utilize illegal formations that force the league to make a rule out of it
    Manipulate air pressure of balls to your winy quarterback’s liking

    Just be like Aaron Hernandez and accept that you got caught

  33. Kraft is 100% right to be upset

    The science behind defategate clearly does not hold up.

    The balls based on Boyle’s Law should have lost between 1.0-1.2 psi. Even the wells report acknowledges this. The balls at halftime were taken with 2 gauges. One group had a mean of 11.48 and the other with the other gauge 11.1 psi.

    To the best of Andersons recollection he says he used the gauge that gave the mean of 11.48, right in range of expected.

    Even in if you take all 24 balls as one group (not scientifically valid but if you do it) the man is 11.3, ON THE LOWER END OF THE RANGE PREDICTED.

    There was no deflating of any footballs.

    The Wells Report Argues Anderson used the gauge that gave the 11.1 reading in spite of Andersons recollection, Meaning the league contends the Patriots took .38 PSI on average, or 3.2% of the balls pressure out? It just does not make any sense.

    The difference between the measurements is measurement error from gauge calibration. Kraft can and should fight this ridiculous penalty. When you really break down how ridiculous the science is and how it supports that no deflation occurred, YOU MUST QUESTION WELLS INTENTIONS AND THE LEAGUES MOTIVATIONS!

  34. Notice how he never denies they did it. He just argues about the smoking gun thing.

    By the way A.Hernandez can tell you all about not having the smoking gun and being guilty.

  35. Hey Pats fans, does your team have a history of cheating? According to Your owner kraft, it does.

  36. The report on ‘The Strange Case of the Deflated Balls’ was 243 pages long.

    That makes it more than 200 pages longer than the report on players health and safety.

    That makes it longer than the official government report on the My Lai incident incident during the Vietnam War.

    This is about money – lots of it – and ego. ‘The Integrity of the Game’ is a nice-sounding phrase and nothing more.

  37. Yeah last time 80K people saw you doing it, there was no denying the act. First they guy’s nickname is “Bird” now it is the “Deflator”. Maybe we should just call him Bird Deflator

  38. Keep Fighting..
    Something still doesn’t sit right. Why would they take Walt andersons word the he recalled the Pats balls were all 12.5 and the Colts balls were all Around 13 pregame. And not take his word when he said he used a particular gauge ? If both these occurances happened then yes the loss in deflation is consisitant with the “ideal gas law”. Yet wells insisted Anderson misremembered and used the other gauge. So their was about an extra .5 PSI missing. SO according to Wells this was man made. So if Wells doesn’t believesAndersons recollection on which Gauge he used, then how are we to believe in the confidence of his memory on the starting PSI levels of 12.5 for the pats and 13 for the colts. What if the Colts balls were closer to 13.5Psi ? What if the Pats turned their balls in closer to 12 PSI. Its the refs responsibility to fill them to the legal limit durring inspection, which is how the Jets game balls got to over 16 PSI..Yet their is no mention of Anderson “filling the balls” so we are left to assume he didn’t.

    So yes their is an “aroma” around this…Keep fighting it Robert.

  39. Has anyone thought for a moment that the Pays are innocent? I know it is a hard concept for the public and media to comprehend. It is a much better story to make them guilty, guilty, guilty. Kraft took the bullet for the league in spygate, which showed cheating by multiple teams. In the best interest of the league he did not fight it.
    Now, drunk with power GODell has done it again. When you compare the punishment for this to what the Jets got for tampering, and signing the player, every fan should be outraged. because, your team may be next. For everyone saying why didn’t Brady turn over his cell, I say, have you seen the false leaks coming out of NFL headquarters? Also, when Roger the dodger was investigated by Meuller for the Rice fiasco, he did not turn over his cell, and the NFL was found completely innocent, yet Brady is completely guilty.
    I know it doesn’t make any sense for the haters to think they could be innocent, but I doubt Kraft would be so vocal if they were indeed guilty.

  40. Robert Kraft is doing what he must do, defend himself and his team. I admire him for that. He should appeal the fine and at least get the first round pick back. The league and the Wells report failed to prove the footballs were deflated. The gauge problem and Walt Anderson’s testimony of his “best recollection” shows there was no crime. Kraft is getting screwed by the league office and other owners.

  41. Your boy cheated then lied, get over it. Yes do I think the penalty was to harsh, probably. 2 game suspension and no fine would have been more appropriate. But the cover up is always worse than the crime.

  42. Goodell went too far. Far too severe for inferences and innuendo. For years of searching messages, one would think there would be one text about deflating footballs, not joking about over inflating footballs.
    I understand the public pressure after the Rice, Hardy and Peterson debacles, but this wasn’t the place to flex your muscles. Not after the slap on the wrist to the Falcons, for which many see as a more flagrant offence. Especially for 2 years of pumping in crowd noise – which had been previously addressed before with the Colts.

  43. Goodell screws up yet again. The by product of his latest gaff is the rift he has put in his relationship with Kraft. Hopefully, it is the catalyst to end his reign of terror.

  44. Everytime a new piece of information was given to Ted Wells during the “investigation,” he reacted with “ah ha! We got them!”

  45. No smoking gun? There’s no gun, period. There isn’t even a body. There’s some drunk guy with a mustache sitting at a bar yelling about how the patriots are cheaters with no proof, drinking with the $5mil the NFL paid him.

  46. No proof that brady ordered balls below nfl levels. That’s where the whole case is right there. It’s assumed that by brady not giving up his phone, which could be downloaded by wells, that he is guilty and america bought it.
    In that phone, who knows what other gems besides de fake gate comments already discovered by McNally phone?
    Maybe the pats playbook is in there, maybe how to beat the bills is in there?
    Maybe his wife’s contacts are in there… These are all reasonable and important possibilities that America discarded.
    So ya, Kraft has a right to feel this way, so does brady.

  47. “This is an accusation of wrongdoing, without proof.” Bobbie-baby, it’s called circumstantial evidence. People go to the death chamber based on it. I realize you and Brady were successful in getting everyone to shut up. Or maybe everyone was willfully ignorant of what was going on. You’re still guilty nonetheless. Move on. You’re not willing this PR war.

  48. I think the Saints might have something to say about “the harshest penalty in league history” thing…….

  49. keep saying there is no “smoking gunn”. Its hard to have one when brady refuses to show his phone and you have McNally deflate balls in the bathroom- the ONE place in the entire stadium where there aren’t any cameras. You made sure there was no smoking gunn, regardless, years ago the NFL made a decision that they dont need one! If the evidence prove “more probable than not” that you are guilty, then they will treat u as such. So by NFL rules- you are GUILTY. Now deal with the penalty. If you don’t like how the NFL runs things- go own a CFL team……or STOP CHEATING.

  50. I would think the Saint’s penalty was much harsher, but then again the whiners/cheaters Patriot’s arten’t going to agree.
    Too bad, such a great legacy they have had all gone now, tarnished due to their constant cheating….

  51. Typically when you conceal or withhold evidence, every inference has to go against you. Otherwise people have no incentive to cooperate. So it’s disingenuous for the Pats to cry about it. They ruined their own legacy.

  52. If Judge Smails was a real guy, he’d be Robert Kraft.

    “It’s easy to win…when your ship comes in And you’ve got the NFL beat. But the man worthwhile, Is the man who can smile, When his team gets caught when they cheat.”

  53. Um, isn’t that what Aaron Hernandez said when Kraft asked him if he was involved??????

  54. First of all you didn’t get the harshest penalty in league history that honor belongs to the New Orleans Saints their coach suspended for 1yr Gm suspended mutiple games. Assistant coach suspended multiple games and the lose of 1st round pick players suspended etc. Mr Kraft you got what you deserved and Frankly it should have been a lot more severe cause you team just can’t seem to play by the rules. Stop living in denial your team cheats and everyone knows it. Time to wake up !!!

  55. “This whole thing has been very disturbing,” Kraft told Peter King of The MMQB. “I’m still thinking things out very carefully. But when you work for something your whole life …”
    **************************
    Boo hoo. Welcome to life Mr. Kraft. You reap what you sew. He’s right. He helped build this behemoth and there’s no way he’s gonna pretend that he wants to slay it.

    Fix your culture of cheating. Everything else will work itself out. Learn how to concede with grace. It’s over.

  56. No smoking gun? There was no smoking gun in Aaron Hernandez’s case either, but there’s also very little doubt he committed the crimes. Same holds true here. Their explanations make NO sense. Guilty as charged. Kraft should just shut his mouth while he’s ahead.

  57. This is getting rediculous with Kraft and this team. There was a smoking gun in this case. The dots were all connected with texts between employees of the teams deflating balls with enough evidence Brady knew about it, and in the AFC Title game the Balls were measured after initial measurement and most if not all were below the lowest allowed PSI level of 12.5 PSI. As it is Belicheck should have been suspended as well like Sean Payton was as it was no excuse that Bill didn’t know what was going on since he is the HC of the team. This penalty needs to stand fast or the rest of the teams should be allowed to cheat as well and only get the same slap on the wrist the PATs do. Also as it is there was many other reports of headsets working everywhere else but in PATS stadium, which Dansby said who was on the Cardinals, as well others like Feely of the Eagles saying back in the mid-2000’s NE was doctoring up and/or deflating balls then. The deflating of balls by NE has more than likely been going on since Brady started in the league because he was one of the players who pushed or got the league to change the rule there to let them have access to the balls after the initial PSI check. I am a Jet fan and many would feel would be biased, but this comes down to playing this game on the same level playing field for everyone and the PATs haven’t since 2000 when Spygate started.

  58. For all the Patriots fans who still try and say spygate was a concocted myth… 🙂

  59. “This can happen to 31 other teams…” Funny how Mr Kraft didn’t see it that way when the Saints set marks for punishment. It’s not until its YOUR team that we have a problem. Got it.

  60. Baby brady lied to kraft and belicheat. Let’s see the cover up continue… too fall apart in front of us.

    You’re a laughingstock pats!

  61. Oh poor baby. Maybe you should have paid more attention to your franchise as it’s no surprise to everyone else. Team gets caught cheating more than any other sports franchise and this guy, the owner is shocked and feels betrayed by the NFL. Kraft you were betrayed by your own team, they cheated and the league knows, fans know so stop with the oh poor me crap.

  62. The fact that there was a “last time” and it wasn’t even 10 years ago prolly has a lot to do with this time . Apparently the punishment last time wasn’t enough to stop you from cheating Mr Kraft so it has to be more .

  63. Tom Brady cheated. You can’t undo that.

    All Robert Kraft is doing it embarrassing himself.

    He isn’t even claiming they are innocent. If he believed that, he would not have suspended ‘the deflator’ and his buddy. Why throw the two low-level employees under the bus if there was no wrongdoing?

    If Mr Kraft or Mr Brady succeed in getting this overturned, the product that the NFL puts on the field will have no credibility.

    We might as well watch pro wrestling.

  64. The Smoking Gun is the lie about the Deflator nickname. If you are lying about that then you are covering up the deflating of the balls. What is really ridiculous and frankly embarrassing is the defiant attitude. Bob needs to stop reading the local papers and find out the rest of the country thinks he and the Pats are full of BS with their excuses.

    Take the penalty Bob. The rest of us know you did it. You are just making a fool out of yourself and your team.

  65. they got a rap as a cheater,everyhing the do will do punished to fullest.yhey have been getting away with things way to long.just rhink about all the stuff they did not get caught diong!!!!

  66. I hate this guy more and more every day. It’s bad enough that his team is such a bunch of blatant cheaters but then for him to act the way he does about it is inexcusable. I hope the Pats never win another game and I’m definitely never purchasing another Gilette product for the rest of my life.

  67. Isn’t it odd that Kraft supported RG when he falsely accused the Saints, supported him with RR, AP, and GH. The Saints, Ravens, Vikings, and Panthers were all hurt by his actions much worse that the Pats, but there was Kraft, with his full support. Now that his team was caught, for a 2nd time, NOW he wants the NFL to be fair? That shows the cheating comes straight from the top. Kraft is not happy that HIS team is not allowed to cheat.

  68. Is it circumstantial evidence? Maybe. It’s clear from the texts that somethine unsavory was likely going on. There was no “smoking gun” but this is more like a civil lawsuit than a criminal trial. They don’t need to prove they were guilty beyond a reasonable doubt (they haven’t), they just need to make a determinatation that it was “more probably than not” that there was something going on. And all the evidence, circumstantial as it may be, certainly clears that hurdle.

  69. You really don’t need a smoking gun when the gunshot residue is all over your hands.

  70. The biggest question I would have for Kraft is why, if you are so sure no one did anything wrong, did you fire the two equipment guys.

    Also, Mr. Kraft you might be a little gullible. Didn’t you believe AH when he said he was at a night club and not anywhere near the murder scene? Didn’t you believe BB when he said he wasn’t doing anything wrong spying on other teams. Now because Brady says he didn’t do anything, that is all the proof you need.

  71. What if……

    Brady did nothing more than tell the ball guys to be sure the refs kept the ball at 12.5? In that light, this punishment and character assassination is a travesty.

    That’s why a civilized society requires – PROOF! Real proof. Not a few “could be” scraps where you fill in the blanks the way you like and watch the lynch-mob cheer.

  72. he’s comparing all the times he’s been caught cheating and lamenting the unfairness it

  73. The harshest penalty of all time was against New Orleans, not New England.

  74. “..harshest penalty in league history…”?

    Oh, you mean the million bucks.
    You’re not alone there Bobby, there was another team that paid out about 3/4 million a few years back and…

    Oh, wait. That was you.
    And for the same reason.

  75. They don’t need to prove they were guilty beyond a reasonable doubt (they haven’t), they just need to make a determinatation that it was “more probably than not” that there was something going on. And all the evidence, circumstantial as it may be, certainly clears that hurdle.
    ~~~~~~~~~~
    It really does not clear that hurdle and that is the problem. I am not saying they should be given the benefit of the doubt here but the evidence was manipulated and data favorable to the patriots was ignored. The context of the texts concerning an incident where the referee of a jets game pumped the ball up to 16 psi was disregarded. Wells disagreed with the referee’s account when it came to which gauge was used to prep the pats balls but he agreed with it for the Colts balls. The referee never said he switched gauges but the report uses data from two different gauges for the teams. Using the gauge the referee said he used showed both teams balls were low but within the range of the ideal gas law deflation parameters. That is the ENTIRE case and the investigator manipulated the results to fit his assertions instead of objectively reporting the facts. That behavior should not be used as the basis to achieve the more likely than not standard and impose discipline. It was, and that is why Kraft is rightfully upset.

  76. Not fair?…Not fair?

    Life’s not fair! And evidently, neither are your Patriots. Is it fair that your children are born into riches with a plethora of opportunities in life, while most other children are not?

    Shut up. Big baby.

  77. Uh Bob. . . the argument that, “Hey, we were cheating way worse LAST TIME!” is precisely why you were penalized so harshly this time.

  78. More whining from this liar Robert Kraft? Doesn’t he know how stupid his team looked last week with that silly rebuttal posted on their website. Their ridiculous explanations for all those text messages made them look more guilty than ever. And it also confirmed that the entire organization is dishonest.

    Check the fumbling data. This team has been gaining a huge advantage since 2007. Sharp Football Analysis.

  79. The biggest joke is that HC Bill Belichick was never suspended for either Spygate or Defelategate, two deliberate and systematic cheating schemes that each spanned 7-8 years. You can be sure that he is cheating in undiscovered ways right now.

  80. Steelers fan here.

    For folks who are saying the Pats cheated, what is that based on? If you think it was the Wells report then please read Mike Florio’s comments int the article “NFL should improve its in-house system of justice”. You’ll find that if viewed objectively and with reason – it’s all a sham on the NFL’s part.

    I honestly don’t believe they did anything purposeful here. If using the guage that was part of the Ref’s best recollection then all balls PSI fell in the range based on the Ideal Gas Law. So it’s more probably than not that no cheating occured.

    The Pats knew, Brady knew, that if they had done anything purposeful it would have been a less severe punishment to come clean than if they tried to cover up, discovered, and guilty. Remember, when they violated the tapping of teams from the sidelines the readily admitted it and took their medicine…that is a track record to look at here as well. So why would they cover up? It doesn’t make sense.

  81. Pats are sad, the whole organization really. With your head coach who is the biggest DB saying, “hey imma go tattle tale on everyone, if I don’t get my way”
    A rich old man, who hasn’t pumped gas or have a clue to what a gallon of milk cost, whinning because he didn’t get his way.
    And tommy (36 years old, and not much left in the tank) Brady throws a fit and takes his ball back home with him. To “top notch” attorneys, who came up with “the deflator” lol

  82. All these damn NE homers. look at how they are all behaving up there. no co-operation, smugness from the franchise owner and the you can touch us attitude. then when they get the smackdown it all “wheres the evidence”, “penalty is too harsh” . BULL!!! the panalty is light!!! you know why??? because this is a repetitive issue with a franchise that clearly has benefited from bending the rules. if this was the first offense maybe but were talking about a team who won Several championships that way.
    the NFL screwed up when they let denver off the hook in 98. it set the precedent that if you win a championship when cheating that the league will still let you keep said championship and just penalize draft picks and money. would you trade a draft pick and a piddly mil to gain an advantage and win a lombardi???? yes you would.
    Denver should have been stripped and we would never be in this hole.
    you not special kraft. you cheat, you get punished. no matter how important you think you are to the league.

  83. By the way for the Kraft singles….That Kraft business is not Robert Kraft’s.

    The fumbling data has been debunked numerous times.

    People need to work on their reading comprehension and stop reading just the headlines and what other people post or say.

    People really need to engage their brains before posting some of the drivel that is on these sites….but I guess just having a brain isn’t enough…you need at least a 50 IQ to be able to think rationally. That is sorely lacking by most of the posters on this site.

  84. Looking forward to the Robert Kraft kicks the bucket headline someday. The world will be a better place.

  85. Kraft stood by this process and was Goodell’s biggest champion when New Orleans was tore apart, when Miami was penalized for Incognito bully culture, when Dallas and Washington had their caps gutted for signings during the expired CBA period. He was often described as Goodell’s staunchest defenders.

    what’s good for the goose . . .

  86. You know what? All the haters on here who have declared the Patriots guilty without poof and who are saying their legacy is tainted are really doing the Patriots a favor. When this goes to court and the suit is filed for damage to the Patriots brand, all these messages will be printed out and put before the judge as prima facie evidence that the suit is merited. The award could be huge!

  87. “To receive the harshest penalty in league history is just not fair.”
    ========================
    Saints got the equivalent of the death sentence!
    That’s how far Kraft’s head is up his own ___!

  88. See what cheating gets you….Karma is what prevented the Patriots from becoming the second undefeated team in league history.

  89. how funny that bob stands by Roger’s unilateral power and control over the disciplinary process when it’s effecting all of the other teams but his, but the first time it effects the patriots he talks about how one person shouldn’t wield all the power

    funny how that works isnt it??

  90. If he thinks these penalties are tough, Kraft if forgetting the penalties for #BountyGate.

    He needs to drop it and move on. He just looks like a petulant child that got caught.

    You can tell Kraft has been getting his way his entire life. Glad he’s getting a taste of real life.

    Bob Dylan and the Grateful Dead said, “Gotta serve somebody!”

  91. Kraft needs to be angry at one person only.
    The cheating QB who lied to him.
    Now he is so far down the rabbit hole he can’t see the light of day.
    The only way this ends is with Kraft getting slapped back into reality.

  92. This “It was illegal to videotape [the opposing sidelines]” is incorrect. It was not illegal to tape the opposing sidelines. It was illegal to tape from your own sideline. You can do it from the stands, you can do it by the end of the two goal lines and it wouldn’t have been a problem.

  93. This is hilarious. Where was Kraft’s indignation when other teams and persons were being punished? No problem then, eh Robby?!

    I also enjoy how he states that they took their punishment numerous other times when they cheated. Well, maybe you should stop cheating so much!

  94. He states this is the harshest penalty…really. How about the Redskins getting docked $36 million in an “uncapped” year. Where was his concern for “this is something that could happen to all 32 teams?” Where was his call to have “fair and balanced investigation” into the “uncapped” year penalities? He does not want fair and balanced, he wants his cake and eat to. He thinks he is untouchable.

    He is being a baby and the punishment is for him, his organization and players thinking they did not have to cooperate with the investigation.

  95. You cheated. They found the evidence needed to punish you. They could have found the smoking gun if you permitted Wells to interview your attendent second time & Brady permitted his phone records to be examined. But enough circumstantial evidence to link Pats to the crime here. On same counts Aaron Hernadaz was sentenced to life by court!

  96. I want an asterisk at this point. * = The greatest franchise in the history of the league. Salary Cap Era heroes!

  97. He should be worked up on his qb not the penalty. Face it kraft your not in the news because your team is innocent. Man up and except your penalty that your organization are cheaters and move on. You got off easy.

  98. What?

    How can this be?

    Pats fans assured us that Spygate didn’t happen and was “proven” as such.

    Now the owner admits it?

    Serial cheaters = harsher punishments.

  99. patriots turned over the tapes during spygate , they thought they were within the rules but admited they did it . i’m not sure why people think it would be any different in this case , and the lack of hard evidence turned over or found by wells point to the pats innocence not guilt .wells went so far as ignore facts and have exponent manufacture evidence to support his theory .

  100. “To receive the harshest penalty in league history is just not fair”

    The Saints would beg to differ on this being the harshest penalty in league history.

  101. The biggest problem with this whole situation, at this point, is no one has any credibility. Even Walt Anderson, though he was badgered into conceding it’s possible he used the non-logo gauge, loses credibility when he says this was the only game in 19 yrs. he lost track of the balls. Riiiight. Only time just happens to be this game under these circumstances. This has become a worst-case scenario for all involved. No matter how it turns out, the Shield is now more tarnished than any other time in league history. This should have been handled differently by Goodell. Behind closed doors. I liked it better in the days when the league took care of business in private, then announced a decision. I could suspect whatever I wanted, but had to accept the decision. Getting more information about how these things are done just reminds me of The Wizard Of OZ. “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!”

  102. He should be worked up, until the NFL explains #The Big Lie.

    #The Big Lie = the claim that “11 of 12 Patriots footballs were 2 psi or more deflated”. Why did the NFL leak #The Big Lie to Chris Mortensen? Why did the NFL allow #The Big Lie to remain out there, unchallenged and wrongly accepted as fact, for three entire months?

    There is no debate about the existence and importance of #The Big Lie. The NFL had made the halftime pressure measurements, an NFL source then lied about these measurements, and then EVERYONE WHO WAS AWARE OF THE MEASUREMENTS allowed the lie to stand for MONTHS.

    #The Big Truth: By one gauge (the gauge that the refs said he used in pregame) exactly ZERO of 11 footballs were 2 psi or more deflated relative to 12.5. The average drop was 1.01 psi. You’d expect 0.98-1.22 psi drop, even according to Mr. Wells’ hired scientists, by the ideal gas law! Two footballs dropped in the 1.5-1.6 range, 7 were right at the expected place, and two even seemed a little OVERINFLATED!

    Thus, on average, the Patriots footballs all met the exact prediction of science and even could not have been tampered with, or else they would have been noticeably lower in pressure. There is no sensible way that 9 footballs would have been right where they should be, or even a tad higher in pressure, after being DEFLATED. How is that not obvious?

    Even by believing the other gauge, the low-reading gauge that Anderson says that he did not use in pregame but that Wells insists that he did use, just ONE of 11 footballs was 2 psi down.

    This isn’t hard, NFL: Why was #The Big Lie put out there and why was it allowed to stand uncorrected?

  103. Taken from the Peter King MMQB interview.

    (And here is where the Wells Report falls on its face.)

    “there were two gauges to measure the air pressure in footballs in the officials’ locker room before the AFC title game. Referee Walt Anderson couldn’t swear which he used to do the pregame measurements, but his “best recollection” is he used a Wilson-logoed air-pressure gauge to measure the footballs. The Patriots’ footballs were found to be at or near 12.5 pounds per square inch. At halftime, after the Colts told the league a ball Brady threw in the first half that was intercepted by Colt linebacker D’Qwell Jackson felt under-inflated, 11 Patriots footballs were measured for air pressure at halftime. On page 113 of the Wells Report, after a description of the scientific Ideal Gas Law, Wells says the Patriots footballs should have measured between 11.32 psi and 11.52 psi, based on the effects the weather conditions would have had on the balls in the first half of the game. The average of the Wilson-logoed gauge measurements of the 11 footballs was 11.49 psi, which would put the balls well within range of the predicted halftime pressure. The other gauge measured the balls, on average, at 11.11 psi, which was seen as below the minimum allowed by the Ideal Gas Law and a sign the footballs may have been tampered. But what if Anderson used the Wilson-logoed gauge pregame, and again at halftime, and the balls were in the proper range as predicted by science? “

  104. Wow!! Worked up huh? He wasn’t worked up when the Cowboys and Redskins got docked 54 million dollar in cap space due to exceeding the cap in an uncapped year…the party line was it provided an “unfair competitive advantage”. I’d also like to point out the Patriots and Giants exceeded what the cap would have been if historical increases were simply applied to that year. The Pats and Giants were in the super bowl that year, but hey Kraft went with it. He also went with the punishment of the Saints in which not just the DC got tossed but the HC too even though he wasn’t part of it. Kraft has plenty of “blood” on his hands, he needs to sit down, shut up, and take it.

  105. All the “lawyers” on here crack me up. The NFL is not a court, they are a private organization, meaning they can do what they want. Get over it, those text messages are damning and anyone can see what was going on here. Since, so many like to throw around legal terms, this is all way way past reasonable suspicion and probable cause.

  106. I can kind of feel bad for the guy because he probably really had no idea what the hell was going on but he has to fork over a million bucks and a first round pick because of it.

    But i think he should be more mad at brady for strait up lieing to him about it and now its all blown up because brady didnt just step up and admit guilt and take it like a man.

    Instead he continues the coward way trying to say he didnt do anything, when everybody in the world knows its BS.

  107. Why is Kraft getting the heat for suspending ( not firing) the ball boys. When cops, teacher and other sort of employees are involved in accusations of breaking rules they often get suspended, or is this yet such a huge deal because the Patriots did it? The NFL will approve their re-instatement. Maybe Kraft will ask the NFL permission to give them their job back once the air is cleared. Patriots is guilty if they keep them; guilty if they “fired them”. Patriots is guilty no matter what: guilty before proven innocent. Oh well… Old tune. Pats know how to dance to it.

  108. Robert Kraft and everyone who either works, plays or roots for the Patriots should just stop talking and crying. The more you talk, the worse you sound. You’re guilty and your accomplishments are tainted. You are forever labeled cheaters. End of story. Deal with it!

  109. iamedreed says:
    May 18, 2015 11:01 AM
    how funny that bob stands by Roger’s unilateral power and control over the disciplinary process when it’s effecting all of the other teams but his, but the first time it effects the patriots he talks about how one person shouldn’t wield all the power

    funny how that works isnt it??
    ==========================
    INDEED!!!

  110. Kraft was one of the owners who stood by Goodells side throughout BountyGate. And he has the nerve to call this the harshest penalty in league history? Wow. Did he lose his head coach for a year? His GM for 8 games? Assistant head coach for 6 games? 2 2nd round picks? Come on dude. You look like a total hypocrite right now. You support everything Goodell does until it affects your team. Gtfoh.

  111. the biggest blow to their hopes that this is overturned was that the “deflator” name was BECAUSE THE DUDE WAS TRYING TO LOSE WEIGHT?!?!?!?!?
    Give me a damn break!!! What a bunch of bologna! WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND would ever believe that BS?!?!??!? SMDH

  112. The NFL shield is going to be drug through the mud when the Patriots and Tom Brady sue the league!!!

  113. Kraft thought he had “bought” permission to break the rules and get away with it by wining and dining Goodell.
    Think again! Your team got cheating again so quit whining rich boy and take your punishment like a man!

  114. I am a little upset too, that the integrity of the game has been compromised by the Pats several times in the last 15 years… And they have the nerve to think a 4 game suspension, small fine(peanuts in the NFL), and two draft pics is “Too Harsh”. Making a mockery of 31 other teams, the refs, the NFL officials by not having fair competition, year after year deserves a much harsher punishment. Not to mention the punishment was not even about the cheating… You have to cooperate when your employer says I need this info, otherwise, expect punishment like this. Brady, Belichick & Craft should be out for the whole season/year… There is no excuses that make sense, and not knowing is not excusable when you run/operate the organization.

  115. Other than Pats fans, all that everybody else wants is just the tiniest shred of remorse and an acknowledgement something was done wrong. If Brady came clean and said “I shouldn’t have done it but it didn’t seem like that big a deal at the time” the majority of fans would all but forget about the deal.

    But the more the Pats dig in the heels the worse they look. It’s like catching your teenager doing something wrong and figuring you’ll give him a little lecture but then having it end with him being grounded for a month because he lies through his teeth and won’t admit to it. The act itself ends up being less an issue than the lying about it.

  116. If we’re giving all the power to the NFL and the office of the commissioner, this is something that can happen to all 32 teams.

    You’re really just now getting this? Why? Because it directly affects you? Or because your buddy-buddy relationship didn’t work out in your favor?

    Uh, Mr. Kraft? YOU and the other 31 owners created this monster.

  117. On page 113 of the Wells Report, after a description of the scientific Ideal Gas Law, Wells says the Patriots footballs should have measured between 11.32 psi and 11.52 psi, based on the effects the weather conditions would have had on the balls in the first half of the game.

    The wells report indicates that if the Wilson-logo gauge was used the balls in fact had an average PSI of 11.49 , exactly in line with the prediction.

    according t the ref he did use the Wilson Logo gauge prior to the game. This should have ended the investigation. The evidence is proof the balls were not deflated

  118. Loving it, as they squirm, call foul and unfair play when they are the ones who initiated foul play in this league. The Belicheats took one from the Rams by videoing the Rams walk through prior to the SB, and barely won, but they cheated: they knew the plays and they defended as if they already knew the plays – the Rams will attest to that affair. Second, against the Jets, the did another videotaping and Belicheat was fined 500k, loss of draft picks, etc. Now, deflatagate, something to make cutey boy’s passes not get dropped and get thrown more accurately, and they complain. Brady is a punk, Belicheat is as the greatest coach of all stated, Don Shula, just another cheat. Their SB are etched in darkness and their entire team sucks big time. I pray each week for their loss, week after week.

  119. I have to ask, is he mad he can’t just throw lawyers and money at this to make it go away?

    Honestly, if you were busted once for illegal activity I think this whole controversy proves the problem starts at the top. If he would have went to Tom and sad give them everything. If he would have made his organization, including the people in charge of the balls help out in the investigation, if he would have shown just one shred of willingness; I doubt the punishment would be so bad, in fact I thought the league said the punishment was harsh because of how the organization treated the investigation.

    Instead of looking at all he did wrong to make it tough for an investigation, he instead admits no wrong doing and starts throwing out accusations.

    Look in all future investigations treat it like it were the cops/FBI/ some legal body looking into your org; and ask the people involved to cooperate. If you truly have nothing to do with it there is no downside.

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