New extra-point rule creates intriguing opportunity for a fake

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The element of surprise continues to be one of the more fascinating aspects of football. On the surface, the new extra point rule reduces the element of surprise.

Ultimately, it could enhance it.

With the two-point conversion play starting at the two and the one-point try now nudged to the 15, a team can choose to fake the kick and attempt to take the ball to the end zone. And that would result in two points for the offense.

So why would anyone choose not to take a crack at two points from the two but try to score two points from placekick formation on a play starting at the 15? Well, because no one is going to expect that.

The question now becomes whether someone will actually do it. At some point during the upcoming 256 regular-season games and 11 postseason games, it’s hard to think no one will.

45 responses to “New extra-point rule creates intriguing opportunity for a fake

  1. This may be the dumbest idea you’ve had.

    Like Jim Zorn sticking it to Dan Snyder in order to get Snyder to fire him – bad.

  2. Should get 3 points at least if the offense puts it in the endzone from the 15 yard line. Planned or not.

  3. The first poster beat me to it … that would just be dumb. Like really dumb. The first coach that calls such a play will be a laughingstock.

  4. pocketsstraight says:
    May 20, 2015 3:29 PM
    If you took the 2 from the 2 — could you still drop kick the extra point for 1?

    No, Dean Blandino addressed that yesterday on Twitter.

    Dean Blandino @DeanBlandino · 20h 20 hours ago
    @TimPriceNC @RapSheet can still drop kick but snap has to be from 15. Can’t snap from 2 and drop kick.

  5. @packetsstraight – Nobody would but Seattle showed you can run a successful fake FG from essentially the same position as they did in the NFC Championship Game.

    I think it’s intriguing and likely to be done more often than thought for two reasons.

    1. If you intend to go for 2 with a passing play, there is a lot less room for error when you’re lined up at the 2. Lining up for a FG @ the 15 but running a fake gives you the whole endzone + 15 yards.

    2. You line up at the 15 yard line in a FG formation, only the eligible receivers know the route and can likely easily beat the defenders off the line.

    Again, as I said, this scenario is not any different than what Seattle did to GB and that worked out pretty well. Essentially you’re banking on the defense’s complacency in presuming that the offense is going to kick the PAT.

  6. I would like to know about what happens in the case of a penalty. In the case of an defensive penalty, under the old system, the ball would be moved to the 1 yard line. If say, they kick from the 15 and there is a defensive penalty, does the offensive team have the option to try for 2 from the 1 yard line or are they committed to kicking, even though the play didn’t count?

  7. xinellum says:
    May 20, 2015 3:36 PM
    And if they fail they would be the brunt of every negative comment PFT could generate.
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    That’s hilarious! As in reality we all know the least knowledgable among NFL critics are those who’ve not played the game!

  8. How many fake PATs attempted the last 10 years? There might have been 1 maybe 2. NFL coaches are ultra conservative without a lot of imagination.

  9. What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent post were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this website is now dumber for having read to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

  10. “dcapettini says:
    May 20, 2015 3:48 PM
    I would like to know about what happens in the case of a penalty. In the case of an defensive penalty, under the old system, the ball would be moved to the 1 yard line. If say, they kick from the 15 and there is a defensive penalty, does the offensive team have the option to try for 2 from the 1 yard line or are they committed to kicking, even though the play didn’t count?”

    Dean Blandino also addressed that yesterday on twitter:

    RichC ‏@rlcarr 19h19 hours ago
    @RapSheet @DeanBlandino @TimPriceNC What happens if defensive penalty on kick try? Can you take half-the-distance and go for 2 from the 1?

    Dean Blandino ‏@DeanBlandino
    @rlcarr @RapSheet @TimPriceNC yes

  11. wow. can you tell it’s the offseason?

    maybe tomorrow we’ll contemplate the implications of using a (properly inflated) ‘kicking ball’ to fake a mishandled snap on a 1 pt try; then Friday headline the heated competition at Eagles OTAs with Tim Tebow and ‘another QB on the roster’ participating in special teams drills. (Chip will explain he was just trying to have Mark mentor Timmy on critical ball handling skills)

  12. tmcb7 says:
    May 20, 2015 3:31 PM

    Should get 3 points at least if the offense puts it in the endzone from the 15 yard line. Planned or not.
    =======================
    So if the offense just scored a TD on a 15 yard pass and got 6 points, they should only get 3 for the PAT from the same distance?

  13. A lot of teams use the punter to hold on FG’s so a fake from the 15 with the punter vs the attempting it from the 2 with the actual QB would be less probable for success.

  14. I sort of agree. The element of surprise would be good, and it’s not so cramped taking a shot from the 15 yard line, the two yard line attempts always seemed risky to me, too many bodies right next to each other.

  15. Until the first time that fake results in a fumble or INT being taken back for 2 the other way – also allowed by the new rules – resulting in a 3-point swing.

    Nope, I’m not really seeing it. If a coach wants 2, he’ll take his chances from the 2 rather than the 15.

  16. that’s like saying teams should run a double reverse when they’re backed up on their own 1 yard line. because the defense would never suspect it or see it coming.

  17. That will probably happen eventually, but for most teams an attempt from the 2 is probably more likely to succeed than a fake from the 15.

  18. Bassplucker……..
    I agree with you 100%. A smart coach will take his chances at 2 yard line.
    It just makes sense!

  19. It would be a perfect opportunity for Ben Roethlisberger to throw a pick in the end zone. His specialty.

  20. While it could open up a pass. Having any players on ST with QB experience would be a dead give away.

  21. Um, nice try, but you will see this happen less often than you see fake field goal attempts.

    NFL coaches know they have a better chance gaining two yards with their regular offense on the field than they do of using their field goal unit to gain 15 yards (something they are rarely asked to do) to try to accomplish the same thing.

    This sounds like a lame attempt to justify a rules change that really wasn’t needed.

  22. Alternatively, could you line up at the 2, let someone circle back to the 15 for a direct snap and have them quick kick it from there for 1 point?
    This would surprise the opponents no end , leave the weak from laughing their guts out, and give your team a real advantage for the rest of the game.

  23. What about the reverse? Can the offense fake the 2 pt conversion and snap it back to the 15 for a 1 pt PAT if they don’t like the defensive matchups?

    The whole thing is so herky-jerky dumb it makes college overtime look sensible.

  24. It actually makes perfect sense to fake it from the 15. If a team is lined up in a kicking formation, odds are the defense is going to be aligned in a kick-block formation. With 11 defenders on the line of scrimmage, a TE or H-Back would more than likely have an easy time sneaking down the seam unabated – or at that very least in man-to-man coverage. A good coach would line up at the 15 and fake it every single time. If you only convert 51% of the time it would be worth it – statistically better than hitting 100% of your PAT’s.

  25. I hope somebody tries it in the 4th game of preseason, just to give the fans who paid to see the game some extra entertainment.

  26. smithdp says:
    May 20, 2015 4:13 PM

    Maybe someone will punt from PAT formation to try to pin the other team inside the five too.

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    Huh? The next play is going to be a kickoff, no matter what happens on a PAT.

  27. Did anyone fake a PAT from the two yard line to try for two points last year?
    But, yeah, they’ll be all over it from the 15, especially when they have the option to line up for a traditional play from the two for the same outcome.

  28. the two yard line attempts always seemed risky to me, too many bodies right next to each other.
    ——-
    So go 4 wr’s wide and a shotgun formation.

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