Roger Goodell wants to hear from Tom Brady himself

AP

The NFLPA has asked NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell to recuse himself from Tom Brady’s appeal of his four-game suspension.

But it doesn’t sound like that’s happening, though the Commissioner didn’t give a clear answer.

Goodell sidestepped that question, saying only he wanted to do the “right thing.”

But he said he wants to hear from Brady himself, and it sounds like he’s giving him every opportunity to hand over the text messages in question (if not the phone itself).

“I look forward to hearing directly from Tom if there’s new information . . . information that can be helpful to us getting this right,” Goodell said.

Goodell said the decision by Patriots owner Robert Kraft to not pursue an appeal of the team penalties was Kraft’s alone, saying it was “something he wanted to do.”

Goodell also answered with a flat “No” when asked if the league asked the Patriots to suspend Jim McNally and John Jastremski, shooting down a report that they did just that.

210 responses to “Roger Goodell wants to hear from Tom Brady himself

  1. What “10 game suspension” are you talking about?? This isn’t Greg Hardy.. Brady is only suspended 4 games, and will be appealing that.

  2. Doesn’t sound like Goodell is meek or doing a side deal or whatever.

    It’s a one man show now. Brady against the league (except Brady has the union’s support, LOL). Belichek threw Brady under the bus in his first news conference. Kraft threw him under in San Francisco.

    You can’t make this stuff up.

  3. Brady should just hand him a blank sheet of paper and say “Here’s your text messages. They weren’t on the equipment guy’s phone so what makes you think they would be any different on my phone?”

  4. I’m done with the NFL if they reduce his 4 game suspension.

    I’ll watch WWF. It’s not as rigged .

  5. Goodell you suspended him without evidence and he is under no legal obligation to hand over his phone or any other personal device to you. See you in court!!! Where they will laugh at the ineptitude of the Well Report/NFL investigation.

  6. Don’t do it Tom.
    Head to court. Tell a judge you will trust him and turn over your phone but not to Leaky Goodell.
    Your owner has shown himself to be a spineless company boy.
    Stand tall Tom.

  7. “Goodell also answered with a flat “No” when asked if the league asked the Patriots to suspend Jim McNally and John Jastremski, shooting down a report that they did just that.”

    This alone is damning evidence of wrongdoing. This is such a black and white issue. You either knowingly bend/break/ignore the rules or you don’t. You don’t kind of tamper with the balls. And you don’t fire a guy who texts a colleague about losing weight.

  8. If Brady truly is innocent as he told his boss, and the lack of cooperation was a misstep by the Patriots counsel, then disclosing the information the league is asking for shouldn’t be an issue.

  9. Goodell said the decision by Patriots owner Robert Kraft to not pursue an appeal of the team penalties was Kraft’s alone, saying it was “something he wanted to do.”
    Right he sounded like it was exactly something he wanted to do

  10. ” it was something he (Kraft) wanted to do”

    He wanted to lose his QB for four games? lose two high draft choices? plus get fined a million dollars on trumped up charges?

    Maybe the draft choices aren’t the only things that are high?

    Backroom collusion 101.

    Kraft to fans : Try one of my $9 light beers, maybe that will cool you down.
    .

  11. Can’t believe a word he says.

    I remember when he claimed that he was happy to do interviews if media makes requests and every journalist was like HAHHAHAH no he just ignores your request

  12. Touche’ , goodell has just put the ball squarely in the sniveling, lyin , cheatin wuss’ court. Goodell has the goods on him and now he’ll hope Brady lies directly to him

  13. Goodell also answered with a flat “No” when asked if the league asked the Patriots to suspend Jim McNally and John Jastremski, shooting down a report that they did just that.

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    It seems we can go back to speculating why the Patriots suspended them.

  14. Let me get this straight. The NFL leaked a report that they asked the Patriots to suspend the ball boys. Now they’re leaking a report that they didn’t tell the Patriots to suspend the ball boys.

    I wonder if THEY even have the Deflategate story straight. When you lie it’s hard to remember.

  15. I don’t like the idea of Brady cherry picking what he hands over. That is about as useless as the emails Hilary distrubuted.

    If given the opportunity to hand over information, who in their right mind would send out the incremenatint stuff if they knew no one was going to verify??

  16. So he claims the NFL did NOT request the ball boys suspended…

    Brady got 4 when he should have got 10…

    And Kraft admitted guilt.

    How far can this appeal really go? Hard to argue innocence when its more probable than not that the team is admitting guilt and accepting it

  17. I’m a Patriots fan, and I’ve just about had it with all of this crap. It is time for Brady to just turn over his phone and put an end to this. If Brady did nothing wrong, he should have nothing to hide and just needs to get it over with. Such an act of “trust” may even prompt Goodell to reduce the suspension to nothing more than a fine. It’s time Tom, we’ve stood behind you… its time to prove to everyone that you have nothing hiding in your closet.

  18. martylaughlin says: May 20, 2015 2:42 PM

    Roger Goodell = Robert Krafts daddy

    It hurts doesn’t it Patriots fans..
    ———————————–
    Not as much it’s going to hurt you watching the Pats raise a SB banner this year.

  19. That is interesting say the least. A blatantly false report about 11bs drastically under inflated footballs that destroys the Patriots, and his response is, “I wont discuss that because there is an ongoing investigation”. Not, “I cant get into specific details during an investigation, but I don’t think that report is accurate” or something like that.

    Fast forward, and a report comes out that makes the Patriots look good, in which it is leaked that the NFL asked for the employees to be suspended, and Goodells response is “No, we didn’t make that request”. Anyone else see the pattern? Goodells answers are never the truth, they are simply whatever makes the Patriots look bad

  20. Roger, if you honestly wanted to do the “right thing” youd rescind the entire absurd punishment, fire Kensil, investigate the Colts for the use of under inflated balls during the AFCC, investigate the refs and Jets for illegally over inflating Patriots balls to 16PSI and youd resign.

  21. It hurts doesn’t it Patriots fans..

    As a Pats fan DeflateGate blows, however, it certainly doesn’t hurt to be a Pats fan…at all.

    We love ’em. We love winning. We love our SBs. Nobody is ever coming close to taking that away from us. Not now. Not ever. So, hate on!

  22. pftfan1 says:
    May 20, 2015 2:49 PM
    If Brady truly is innocent as he told his boss, and the lack of cooperation was a misstep by the Patriots counsel, then disclosing the information the league is asking for shouldn’t be an issue.
    _______________________________________

    Well about that……..

  23. Would Goodell have the courage to drop all penalties dropped on Brady? He has ample reason to, as Florio has detailed.

    We know that there has been way more talking going on at these meetings than has been reported on. Maybe that was the arrangement with Kraft?

  24. As a close friend of those in the Commissioner’s Front Office I would like to allude to the feelings expressed by my peers:
    It is clear that TB has done something wrong, and his arrogance has rubbed my peers (as well as Roger) the wrong way. They feel Roger should not bend regarding the appeal because everybody bends to TB’s passive aggressive argument style. They give him the benefit of the doubt due to his Cinderella-like background. Get one thing straight, he is no Kurt Warner. My peers know this and have expressed it to Roger. Roger is torn between setting a precedent and doing whats best for ratings.

    If TB is suspended they don’t project that many people will watch the opener vs. PIT after halftime. And that is what Goody Goodell is torn about.

  25. So all that remains is for everyone to believe is the 2 stooges did it all on their own hey pat fans? Why else would they be suspended by the team? Based on suspensions Kraft admits to the cheating and the texts link Brady case closed!

  26. martylaughlin says:
    May 20, 2015 2:42 PM

    Roger Goodell = Robert Krafts daddy

    It hurts doesn’t it Patriots fans..

    __________________________________
    Our team won the Super Bowl. So, no.

  27. You know the NFL has the evidence against the biggest lying franchise, that’s why Kraft dropped the appeal notion and I bet Brady will too..

  28. Maybe Belichick and Kraft threw Brady under the bus because they both know he is guilty.

    Wanna bet Brady has bought a new phone and no longer has the one that had all incriminating messages on it.

  29. BoulderPhinfan says:
    May 20, 2015 2:45 PM

    I’m done with the NFL if they reduce his 4 game suspension.
    ========================
    See ya!

  30. lol where’s all the pro Patriot upvoters now? I knew they were lying about firing the deflators. Does anyone tell the truth anymore? No wonder Kraft wants this story dead. This is the single most interesting story in the world right now, and it’s more likely than not that the bad guys are the Patriots. Lovin’ every minute of it. Bring forth Brady’s phone! I dare you!

  31. To be fair, Goodell has blatantly lied numerous times throughout this entire process. Most importantly lying about the fact that this was not a “sting” operation. Meanwhile, the Colts came out and said that they alerted Goodell’s office and the NFL prior to the game, and that this was absolutely a predetermined plan of action to go about this sting.

  32. Last week Florio was a one man wrecking ball calling out the league, the Wells report, Goodell..etc

    But since yesterday he has grown quiet and not said anything controversial regarding Krafts change of heart, or speculated what it all means.

    I smell powerful influences at play here…………..

  33. Brady deleted those texts LONG AGO. Like he is going to keep them on his cell phone.

    If he lost his cell phone and someone found it, they would be able to ruin his legacy even further. We already know that 2 SB championships are tainted. Now we have wonder about what kind of cheating happened during the other SB runs.

  34. “I look forward to hearing directly from Tom if there’s new information, . . . information that can be helpful to us getting this right,” Goodell said.
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    “New” being the operative word in this sentence.
    I’s “more probable than not” that there isn’t anything new.

    In fact, it’s long past being a dead horse. It’s now glue on the shelf at Walmart.

  35. If you’re a poker player with Goodell you have to ask the question:

    Is he bluffing, or
    Does he hold the cards he needs to back it up.

    When Kraft folded my read is Goodell has the cards.

    Tommy boy … raise, call or fold, whatcha gonna do boy, raise call or fold.

  36. I think that Kraft threw in the towel because he wasn’t totally sold on what Brady told him. If Brady was totally innocent, completely and unconditionally so, why not go to the wall for your franchise asset?

    No, I don’t buy this good for the league stuff. Kraft isn’t 100% sold on Brady’s explanation. 99.9 maybe, but not 100.

    Goodell framed it properly today. What new evidence can Tom Brady introduce at his hearing that will exonerate him from the conclusions of the Wells report that DOES NOT include trashing the report itself?

  37. Gooddell is daring Brady to lie to his face. I did wonder why Kraft didn’t mention Brady at all in his presser when he was going all Sgt Slaughter to defend his honor. Whatever Gooddell showed him must’ve burned.

  38. Interesting that as soon as that meeting Goodell and Kraft had was over, Kraft announces he isn’t appealing. Now Goodell says, “I look forward to hearing directly from Tom if there’s new information, . . . information that can be helpful to us getting this right,” Goodell said.

    Goodell wants an out.

    There had to be an agreement between Kraft where Kraft won’t appeal, IF . . .(you fill in the blanks)

    Brady is getting off. The phone and the emails will probably be turn over to Goodell, but Goodell will say there isn’t anything incriminating on them, then the phone and emails will go the way of the Spygate tape. Even if there IS incriminating information, Goodell will treat it as it wasn’t.

    Favoritism.

  39. @phinatic29 says:
    May 20, 2015 2:51 PM

    knowing Brady he will wear a white turtleneck to the meeting.
    ==================================
    Great post!!!! Maybe even a lil ponytail!!

  40. The whole world is waiting to hear from Shady on this? He hides behind daddy, agent, owner and all the knucklehead patriots fans who still want to believe he’s not a liar and cheat. Next thing you know he’ll have Aaron Hernandez speaking out on his behalf.

  41. What text messages would Goodell want? He’s already got all the texts. If Brady texted Jim McNally and John Jastremski he’s got them. Does he think there’s a fourth conspirator? Otherwise it’s pointless.

    Plus, Brady was willing to give up the texts, just not blindly handing his phone over.

  42. You hate us cause you ain’t us…
    Millennium of Domination

    Patriots SB 36 Champions
    Red Sox 2004 Champions
    Patriots SB 38 Champions
    Patriots SB 39 Champions
    Red Sox 2007 Champions
    Celtics 2007-8 Champions
    Bruins 2010-11 Champions
    Red Sox 2013 Champions
    Patriots SB 49 Champions

    Asterisk us all you want, you’re just jealous. And keep telling yourself the Pats are “cheaters” for possibly, maybe, who knows? deflating a little air. LOL.

  43. This was NOT just about tampering with footballs.It is also about Brady’s lack of cooperation and that too carries a hit,in fact a much bigger one. As for bringing this to a federal court,bring it on.Brady will be forced to show his emails and texts – Ask any lawyer.So,Pat’s fans why did Kraft fire those two equipment guys ?? As Goodell stated the league did not ask him to.

  44. BoulderPhinfan says:
    May 20, 2015 2:45 PM

    I’m done with the NFL if they reduce his 4 game suspension.

    I’ll watch WWF. It’s not as rigged .
    __________________________________

    Don’t let the door hit you in the back.

  45. If the Patriots suspended them without being told to by the league why does Troy Vincent have to approve their reinstatement?

  46. According to Wells Tom answered any and every question asked… what more does Goodell need to hear?

    Seeing as he’s suspending Brady and slandering his name because Wells “definitely maybe thinks that someone maybe did something even though the balls weren’t actually deflated according to the “best recollection” of the lead official” if I were Brady I wouldn’t say one non-four letter word to Goodell…

    who knows how he’ll twist that out of context too

    Just wait til a judge over-turns Brady’s suspension and then Dean Wormer-Goodell can put him on “double-secret probation”

  47. Brady better not wear Uggs to the meeting, he’ll be bounced for the full season.

  48. Roger Goodell,

    Uphold the 4 game suspension on Brady and you will have totally redeemed yourself with the fans of other 31 teams in the NFL.

    The patriots fans don’t care if they cheated the other 31 teams and their fans. Due to apparent fact, we do not care about them.

    GO, ROGER, GO!

  49. brian55906 says:
    May 20, 2015 2:46 PM
    So the Patriots lied about being forced by the NFL to suspend the ball deflator?

    I’m shocked……. SHOCKED!!!!!

    ***************

    And when did the Patriots say they were forced to do that? No Where. Just another lie form a Patriot hater. Facts don;t matter to them.

  50. jonbjr says:
    May 20, 2015 3:21 PM
    What text messages would Goodell want? He’s already got all the texts. If Brady texted Jim McNally and John Jastremski he’s got them. Does he think there’s a fourth conspirator? Otherwise it’s pointless.

    Plus, Brady was willing to give up the texts, just not blindly handing his phone over.

    What do you think Goodell is holding back? My bet is it is a killer text from the pretty boy, to as you say some fourth party. Kraft has now seen it. Brady is not sure if Goodell has it or not and is not inclined to give it up, just in case.

    Stalemate.

    I say Brady folds, sits his four, loses his $1.7 million and comes back playing like he’s never played before. No news conference, no mia culpa’s, no nuthin. “Just Play Baby”

  51. The Patriots didn’t report that the league told them to suspend those two guys. A reporter got it from another “source.”

  52. truetrue85 says:
    May 20, 2015 2:55 PM
    I’m a Patriots fan, and I’ve just about had it with all of this crap. It is time for Brady to just turn over his phone and put an end to this. If Brady did nothing wrong, he should have nothing to hide and just needs to get it over with. Such an act of “trust” may even prompt Goodell to reduce the suspension to nothing more than a fine. It’s time Tom, we’ve stood behind you… its time to prove to everyone that you have nothing hiding in your closet.

    _________________________
    Then you are not a real Patriots fan.

  53. What amazes me about all you Pats fans is your unreasonable belief that Goodell & the NFL is out to get you. Just in case you forgot, you do realize that Goodell is the one who destroyed all the tapes from the 1st time you were caught cheating? And that not a one of you had anything to say about Ted Wells being biased, or a lackey for the NFL, until AFTER his report came out? And that the NFL has treated your pretty boy QB differently than other players – throwing flags just about every time he whines for one?

    I mean c’mon….you want to attack the conclusions and the penalties – go for it…but when you attack the process and the prosecutor who have been in your pockets for years (all the while as you have been cheating your butts off), you really reveal yourselves to be the bandwagon jumping ignoramuses the rest of the world has recognized Boston fans to be…

  54. Brady already ran and hid for a reason.
    ..and Goodell already knows the little sissy-man won’t show now… but he may send his wife.

  55. Suspending Jim McNally and John Jastremski is huge. That is acknowledging they did something wrong. Everybody knows, they acted on Tom Brady’s wishes.

    Good luck with your appeal Tom.

  56. The whole world is waiting to hear from Shady on this? He hides behind daddy, agent, owner and all the knucklehead patriots fans who still want to believe he’s not a liar and cheat. Next thing you know he’ll have Aaron Hernandez speaking out on his behalf

    Shouldn’t you be protesting?

  57. Docjac ; That’s truly laughable and totally expected.That’s all you Pat’s fans got: Everyone else’s teams fans are jealous,we got this and we got that – Cry me a river !! I could care less about how many SB’s the Pat’s have,it’s more how they got them.They have no integrity and no class,same as their fans.So,tell me again why Kraft fired the two equipment guys ?? Or will you hide behind your usual response ?

  58. The Biggest ZERO integrity move in this whole situation is a man hearing and deciding on the appeal for his own decision

    I don’t care what walk of life or arena you are in that is reflection of someone who has NO respect for an independent process. That’s a man with no integrity.

    Maybe some of you haters should apply the same skepticism to NFL and Goodell that you apply to Pats. May actually open your eyes

  59. I do not think Goodell will be getting a special Tom Brady autographed football anytime soon for his impending farewell to the NFL collection unless its one he throws right into Goodell’s head on the sidelines.

    In fact, the entire players union wants to plant one on Goodell where the sun does not shine.

  60. “I look forward to hearing directly from Tom if there’s new information, . . . information that can be helpful to us getting this right,” Goodell said.

    ********************

    There is no ‘new’ information. The lack of evidence has been there the whole time. Feel free to let a truly independent arbitrator look at the information your $5M 100+ day investigation wrought and let him decide if you should be overturned (again).

  61. Won nearly a third of the SBs in the last 14 years.

    Won twice as many SBs as anybody else in the last 14 years.

    Won nearly half the AFC Championships in the last 14 years.

    Went to just about 2/3rds of the AFC Championship games in the last 14 years.

    Made the playoffs around 95% of the time Brady played over the last 14 years.

    Yeah, it hurts….. Hurts Soooo GOOD!

  62. Brady will offer some vague documentation not shared with the public, Goodell will “review” it and decide that since Brady is now cooperating and the “new”, unreleased documentation clarifies things in some undefined way, his suspension will be lifted.

    And so the biggest NFL farce in ages will quietly come to an end, all of it completely unnecessary if the league office had the slightest competence about how to manage any situation.

  63. I love how all the haters are so sure of everything. All they’ve gotten is the Wells export which is garbage. Everything else is rumor, most of which has turned out to be wrong. Yet you are all condemning the Patriots based on a probably. It may be good enough for the league, but is shouldn’t be good enough to ruin a guy’s reputation. Are you saying you REALLY trust Goodell and the league now? After the farce that has been the league this past year? If this wasn’t the Patiots they were bumbling around with, then your logic would kick in. But your blind hatred won’t let your objectivity surface.

  64. I’m in the camp of those that believe that the reason he would not hand over his phone is that there are messages to coaches – hopefully McDaniels!. I also think that Goodell whispered in Kraft’s ear that he better stand down or it will get worse, not better, because there is a whole boat load of things that thus far have not been leaked, but will be, if he goes further legally.

  65. Also some of you are quick to call Brady a liar, but as far as we know he not lied. Goodell and the league have been caught in several lies and distortions not to mention leaked information in this situation and you just ignore that

  66. After getting backstabbed by the team owner, Patriot fans are going all in on Brady suing the league.
    Can’t wait till he caves too.

    #wonthappen

    #gettingtheelitreatment

  67. “off to court we go!”

    Brady ain’t gonna A-Rod his way out of this one, friend.

  68. I think Kraft really underestimated the anger his giving up the fight would cause among Patriots fans. He has lost a lot of hard-earned respect in New England.
    Here’s hoping Tom Brady takes the fight to the NFL and Goodell beyond the kangaroo court appeal and into federal court. The league totally screwed the Patriots….regardless of what the haters think.

  69. marianfl24 says:
    May 20, 2015 3:32 PM
    Docjac ; That’s truly laughable and totally expected.That’s all you Pat’s fans got: Everyone else’s teams fans are jealous,we got this and we got that – Cry me a river !! I could care less about how many SB’s the Pat’s have,it’s more how they got them.They have no integrity and no class,same as their fans.So,tell me again why Kraft fired the two equipment guys ?? Or will you hide behind your usual response ?
    _____________________

    Um, he fired them because NFL told him to. Oh, you believed Roger Goodell even though Schefter’s NFL source told him otherwise? Yeah, OK. Keep hating.

  70. I have to laugh at the naive and gullible posters here that say they want TB to turn his phone over.

    If TB has half a brain, his phone was either wiped clean or physically destroyed about five minutes after this story broke.

    Anyone who thinks otherwise has no idea how the real world operates.

  71. Something was kept out of the Wells report. It’s probably rather ugly, and that’s why Kraft dropped any appeal.

  72. Brady does not need to (nor should he) talk with Goodell. Brady is a football player, and he should do his talking on the field next January during the Playoffs, and next February in The Superbowl. Anything he might say between now and then does him no good. If I were his agent, lawyer, friend or teammate, I would urge him to find the focus, drive, determination and fortitude he had in 2007 after the last Kangaroo Court that Roger Goodell presided over had its say.

    Go Patriots! Make 19/0 a reality.

  73. steel420 says:

    lol where’s all the pro Patriot upvoters now? I knew they were lying about firing the deflators.

    ****

    The story that the 2 equipment guys were suspended by the Patriots at the request of the league was leaked to the media by someone from the league, not the Patriots. If anything, Goodell’s “No” answer just further highlights how dysfunctional the league is.

  74. BREAKING: Tom Brady will withdraw his appeal before the end of the week, boys and girls. The Pats need this thing off the front page and Brady’s people are just going through the procedure along with the NFLPA, until they can find an honorable way to shut it down.

    Those thinking court, should think again. This thing is over. Goodell is giving Brady a chance to come, hat in hand, and make a personal plea. Short of that, nothing to see here.

  75. brian55906 says:
    May 20, 2015 2:46 PM
    So the Patriots lied about being forced by the NFL to suspend the ball deflator?

    I’m shocked……. SHOCKED!!!!!

    *************************************************

    If you believe a word out of Goodell’s mouth after that crap show you’re dumber than most.

  76. …and i wanted to hear from Aaron Hernandez….but it aint gonna happen

  77. tvjules says:
    May 20, 2015 3:47 PM
    Something was kept out of the Wells report. It’s probably rather ugly, and that’s why Kraft dropped any appeal.

    *****************************************

    Do you really think they would have held anything back? Are you really that stupid?

  78. Ben Volin on twitter: – I asked Goodell if he scrutinized Ted Wells’ findings at all or accepted them as is? Not sure we got an answer

    Goodell: “Of course you read the report, you scrutinize it. But that’s also why we have a process. If issues are raised either in the context of the appeal or outside of that, you look at that. What you’re trying to do is get it right, and I thought his report was very clear, it’s comprehensive. But we’re always open if there’s new information that can get us to a better place.”

  79. Anyone (Brady, NFLPA, Pat Fans) who thinks a judge isn’t going to review the information already provided & conclude that Goodell is well within his rights established by the CBA to punish Brady is either a complete fool or doesn’t know didly-squate about labor law or judicial liability cases. If Brady had information that proved his innocence or his phone had no information on it related to DeflateGate, then he would have slung it in everyone’s face months ago. At this stage, Goodell is doubling-down to document for any judicial review that Brady chose to not cooperate. That alone is justification for a 4 game suspension. If Brady refuses to visit with Goodell now, you can kiss any hope of a reduction goodbye…even through a judicial review.

  80. The thing I don’t want to happen, as someone who believes wholeheartedly that there was no wrongdoing on Brady’s part – not because of some blind belief in Tom, but because the numbers strongly support the assertion that no tampering went on – is for Goodell to remove the suspension. That is exactly what the league wants. Counterintuitive? Maybe. But then the end result is:
    No lawsuit, and no chance for the league’s exploits to be exposed.
    Kraft gets to feign like he fell on his sword for Tom, when really he sold him out in the worst possible way.
    The league gets Brady for the home opener, but Goodell still gets to look like he came down hard on the Pats.
    I would way rather see this go to court, where the Wells report can be exposed for the specious and slanted piece of junk that it is.

  81. Kraft abandoning the team appeal is disgusting to Patriots Fans. Last night a poll ad 89% opposed to Kraft’s cave in.

    Brady is on his own but Goodell has proved inept and erratic in his decisions employment maters. Goodell will judge in the kangaroo hearing. Brady and the NFLPA will court then go and more probably than not win.

    Separately, there will be defamation suites. Legally, there is no absolute proof of cheating particularly with 11 of 12 balls not 2 pounds low but actually where they should be. the NFL allowed this misinformation to fester when the knew it was grossly untrue. If there is no actual evidence for deflation other than mother nature and fat guys landing on footballs. The defamation damages with 70% of NFL fans believing Brady cheated are evident.

    Chris Mortensen gives up the NFL source or made up the story that dramatically Over Inflated this whole fiasco.

  82. tavisteelersfan says:
    May 20, 2015 2:44 PM
    Doesn’t sound like Goodell is meek or doing a side deal or whatever.

    It’s a one man show now. Brady against the league (except Brady has the union’s support, LOL). Belichek threw Brady under the bus in his first news conference. Kraft threw him under in San Francisco.

    You can’t make this stuff up.
    ———
    Can’t blame Kraft for not liking being lied to. I’m surprised the NE fan base hasn’t revolted against Brady’s shameful lies. Do they believe their kids when they’re lying to them too, or is it their fanatic fandom that prevents Pat’s fans from seeing the truth?

  83. It’s amazing how mis-informed people are

    The only play that Kraft had to over-turn Goodell’s imposed penalties was to file suit against the NFL as a whole and petition to suspend the anti-trust exemption

    That was NEVER going to happen – nor does the NFL ever reverse it’s penalties.

    Heck – even when Tagliabue told Goodell that he was over-reacting to the non-Bountygate scandal, and reversed the findings (slapping Goodell back to his place) they didn’t give them back their draft picks, let alone give compensation for unjustly suspending Peyton for a year (proof that Goodell “gets it wrong”)

    So of course Kraft gave up that quixotic quest and is instead leaving it to Brady and his lawyer to clear the team’s name

    What about this is so confusing to everyone?

    Although let’s admit – most non-Patriots fans can’t get it through their noggins that Anderson’s “best recollection” confirms that NO DEFLATION TOOK PLACE

  84. dumbaseinstien: You are dead on,it’s a shame that the Pat’s fans would rather bury their heads in the sand and just chalk it up to everyone else being jealous or sore losers.

  85. Even if Jastremski and McNally did not conspire to deflate the balls, they still committed plenty of employee related offenses to be suspended w/o pay….like stealing “kicks”, like foul mouthing members of the team, like failing to follow team and league protocols and probably other offenses that I have missed. So their suspensions may not relate to “deflation of footballs” at all.

  86. just to be clear..the Patriots NEVER said the NFL told them to fire them or suspend them..That “story” was an alleged leak from the NFL that was reported as a “positive sign” by the media…just another leak from the NFL…so, here we go. Goodell trying to work the media into a frenzy to get the public all stirred up against the Pats. I agree with peope who say Kraft made a mistake by backing off…thinking the story would simmer down. WHY? It is THE MOST WRITTEN ABOUT STORY IN ALL OF SPORTS!!! $$$$ for the NFL..

  87. I’ve been against Goodell for many things. However, every single “explanation” by the Patriots just doesn’t add up. And then the owner just gives up? Why? Well, because he’s guilty.

    I don’t believe Brady told the ball boys “deflate the footballs to a level that is below the league allowable”. However, I bet those text messages say things like; “you know how I like the footballs; make the footballs ‘right’; I’ve told you what I like; make the footballs the same as last time”; etc.

    There is absolutely implied guilt in Brady’s silence, and in Kraft’s willingness to give up so easily. Guess what? “Legal obligation” has nothing to do with this case. Just the obligation to cooperate with an internal investigation. There are consequences to not cooperating. And Brady and Kraft now know that.

  88. You Pat’s fans are down right hilarious – Guess you don’t relize if this goes to court Brady has to show the emails and texts – It is the law,but you go ahead and bury your heads in the sand as per usual.

  89. brian55906 says:
    May 20, 2015 2:46 PM
    So the Patriots lied about being forced by the NFL to suspend the ball deflator?

    I’m shocked……. SHOCKED!!!!!
    —————————————————–

    ugh…this leak came from the NFL…not the Patriots. The Patriots never said they were forced to suspend those guys.

    This irrational hate is tedious man…tedious.

  90. Brady cannot in good conscience as a prominent member of the NFLPA hand his phone over to Goodell when it was expressly negotiated that the league would not have subpoena rights. That has not changed in the last few months. He may very well be willing to hand it over in court should it get that far.

  91. Breaking news…although Drew Brees and Sean Payton have absolutely no connection at all to the New England Patriot organization, they too have been suspended for not having anything to do with deflategate…except their suspensions are for the entire season.

  92. Im sure many of the simpletons on here believe that the NFL and Goodell could not get the Ray Rice Video, even though they managed to release a 243 page report filleds with intricacies and hunt down every possible detail (but still come to the wrong conclclusion)

    Goodell has mishandled nearly every situation, been caught in countless lies and generally run the league like a clown college, but somehow Brady and Kraft are the bad guys here????

    No deflation occured. The science is obvious. Goodell is a snake. Also obvious

  93. As a scientist, the day that a bunch of sloppy, unscientific, UNRECORDED measurements taken on different gauges under the least scientific conditions possible can detect a 3.2% difference between the means of two sets of measurements with 12 data points each is the day I WILL LITERALLY EAT A 243 PAGE DOCUMENT PIECE BY PIECE

    It literally is ridiculous and laughable to me

  94. STeelcurtain was that like when your steelers juiced their way to 4 titles in 70’s and then in the 2000’s you rteam doctor was ARRESTED with a trunk full of HGH??

    #6 TAINTED TITLES

    #THATSREALCHEATING

    And you have the guts to come on here and look down on Pats????
    LOL

  95. @gimmeabruschi

    ‘nearly a third’ ‘nearly half’ ‘just about 2/3rds’

    you’re in advertising, aren’t you?

    (had to ask cuz I didn’t see the tiny asterisks you must have included at the bottom of the post)

  96. DennisT … I heard McNally and Jastremski were secret agents planted in the Patriot’s organization by Goodell and his Jet’s cronies to tear that place down.

    That too is obvious.

  97. To the bills fans if it wasn’t for us Canadians going there your team would’ve folded years ago losers you can count me out from now on bloody losers clowns

  98. Wait I can hear from Pittsburh Steecurtain brain forming excused for why the Steelers really didn’t juice their way to 6 Titles and why juicing isn’t THE MOST OBVIOUS AND PROFOUND form of cheating, and why recording signals from the sideline when its legal to record from box or POSSIBLY (at best) delfating 3.2% of psi from a football IS WORSE THAN DRUGS THAT MAKE YOU FASTER STRONGER AND RECOVER FASTER

    We are waiting for you to make up a story for your juice monkey heroes?

    Cant wait to hear it!

  99. Imagine that I used to go down there and spend my money on these clowns never again losers joke of the NFL

  100. @kagey7

    re: ‘there are messages to coaches’

    actually he’s more concerned with the msg to Wilson tech support asking how long they estimate it would take to release 2PSI of air from 12 footballs in a stadium bathroom

  101. If there is anything that can help the Patriots /Brady fans grasp how bad it really is, it is Deflategate

    Brady and the Patriots make Roger Goodell look good! I thought he was toast; but you guys may have helped him recover his career

  102. At this point, any reporter that gets a bit of info leaked from the NFL best get a second source to verify it. The leaks have been grossly incorrect and it makes both the reporter and the league look bad.

    Why haven’t any of the reporters defended their erroneous reports? If someone is leaking them bad info, call them out on it. It’s not like they should trust them again.

    The media has gotten a pass and shouldn’t be. They are a big part of the story in how they allowed themselves to be used by the NFL.

  103. Brady doesn’t have to prove his innocence. Any communications Brady had with anyone else they investigated would be on their phones, so this is a fishing expedition. The NFL leaked bogus information at the start. According to the pump that Walt Anderson recalls using, and the ideal gas law, NONE of the balls were below the expected range

    Sounds like Goodell has no interest in debating the nonsense in the Wells Report. If the suspension was just for not cooperating with requests, but it is not. It concludes tha it is more likely then not that Brady was aware he was breaking a never enforced rule. Unfortunately those who understand math, science, statistics, and law can see that the report is not logical or scientific.

    So if Goodell is only going to reconsider if Tom complies with his request, it’s off to court.

  104. joesixpack – you have is absolutely correct

    Kraft was not going to sue the league and probably feels he does not even need two bites at the apple. Brady and his lawyers will shred the bogus report and clear the Pat’s name and Kraft’s.

    The easy way out is that Goodell will claim “new” information since the report changed his viewpoint and clear Brady. Owners happy cause Pats still lose picks. Brady happy cause he is cleared. Goodell happy cause no independent arbitrator will make him look foolish again.

  105. This just in – Brady attempted to call Goodell to make an appointment to meet, but discovered his nose has grown too long over the past weeks to see to dial his phone.

  106. I don’t see a problem with this. I believe Brady should speak. It is only fair that he does. Roger Goodell will also call and question himself, and preside over the questioning of himself as well. So its all fair game…

  107. Goodell has already tried to destroy the Dolphins and the Patriots, and presumably will involve the Bills in some trumped up scheme pretty soon. And yet the Jets still can’t win. It’s pathetic, like a rich father keeping other kids from trying out for pitcher only his own flabby kid can’t even get it over the plate with no competition.

  108. tvjules says:
    May 20, 2015 3:47 PM
    Something was kept out of the Wells report. It’s probably rather ugly, and that’s why Kraft dropped any appeal.

    *****************************************

    Do you really think they would have held anything back? Are you really that stupid?

    The stupid one is you! Kraft folded faster than a greased accordion……please tell me why Mr Humble Pats Fan Kraft would change his tune so fast? Just because you innocently believe Brady can do wrong doesn’t make it so. Pull up your Huggies and smell the roses…Godel is playing chess while Brady is playing checkers. Now who is stupid.

  109. As a scientist, the day that a bunch of sloppy, unscientific, UNRECORDED measurements taken on different gauges under the least scientific conditions possible can detect a 3.2% difference between the means of two sets of measurements with 12 data points each is the day I WILL LITERALLY EAT A 243 PAGE DOCUMENT PIECE BY PIECE

    It literally is ridiculous and laughable to me
    —————————-

    Ya but two things to consider, 1.) You are a ranting delusional Patriots fan. 2.) It isn’t up to you, so it doesn’t matter if it is ridiculous and laughable to you….

    Best Regards

  110. May 20, 2015 2:46 PM
    So the Patriots lied about being forced by the NFL to suspend the ball deflator?

    I’m shocked……. SHOCKED!!!!!
    —————————————

    Why do you assume Patriots lied about that? First of all the the report was leaked to the media from the league office. Now Goodell say’s that is not true. Patriots never have spoken about why they fired the equipment guys. So how does that equate to Patriots lying?

    Just another example of hearing what you want to hear. Don’t let the truth get in the way of your jealousy of the Patriots!!

  111. His lawyers will talk and if he hands anything like his cell phone record it will not be to you or your bumbling cronies.

  112. DennisT says:
    May 20, 2015 4:04 PM
    Im sure many of the simpletons on here believe that the NFL and Goodell could not get the Ray Rice Video, even though they managed to release a 243 page report filleds with intricacies and hunt down every possible detail (but still come to the wrong conclclusion)

    Goodell has mishandled nearly every situation, been caught in countless lies and generally run the league like a clown college, but somehow Brady and Kraft are the bad guys here????

    No deflation occured. The science is obvious. Goodell is a snake. Also obvious

    —————————————————————–
    You’re right… This all about a “weight loss plan” like Kraft and his Crack Legal Team claim..

    Pats Fans = Delusional

  113. Is it possible that Goodell showed Kraft something that made him rethink the appeal?

    Perhaps there was more of a smoking gun than originally thought or was included in the Wells report to protect the Patriots?

    It just seems odd that Kraft would be so irate and then take a major back step.

    Maybe Goodell showed Kraft some damning evidence that showed the Patriots were aware and cheating more and it made him back off.

    Is Brady the fall guy for this?!

  114. This is the WWE. RG is giving TB a roadmap to reduce his suspension. This will end up being 1, 2 games max. RG will love to parade his “understanding and compassion” for all to see.

  115. marianfl24 says:
    May 20, 2015 4:00 PM

    You Pat’s fans are down right hilarious – Guess you don’t relize if this goes to court Brady has to show the emails and texts – It is the law,but you go ahead and bury your heads in the sand as per usual.
    ____

    Yeah, I’m pretty sure Brady’s lawyer already knows this. So, if he knows it and is still thinking about going to court…….i’ll let you figure it…..don’t hurt yourself though

  116. anyone stupid enough to take that trumped up wells report as fact isn’t fair minded enough to change anything on appeal . think about it pats haters just a few more emails and phone calls to the league office and you could have got brady banned for the year maybe belichick too , so close .

  117. “Goodell also answered with a flat “No” when asked if the league asked the Patriots to suspend Jim McNally and John Jastremski, shooting down a report that they did just that.”

    Finally, someone from the league is being honest. The league did not ask the Patriots to suspend those two. The league ORDERED the Patriots to do it.

  118. Goodell has already tried to destroy the Dolphins and the Patriots, and presumably will involve the Bills in some trumped up scheme pretty soon. And yet the Jets still can’t win. It’s pathetic, like a rich father keeping other kids from trying out for pitcher only his own flabby kid can’t even get it over the plate with no competition.
    ————————————–

    Where do we start………take off the tinfoil hat Sir.

    Pats Fans – Delusional

  119. Funny how five of the most ridiculous blunders NFL management has ever been part of have all come in the last 8 or so years. I’m so sure you’re all about getting it right Lil Rogey. At least you have the inane internet trolls appeased. I guess that’s something………

  120. Yeah right…

    “The league” didn’t ask for the Patriots to suspend the two suspected employees. And when they weren’t asking they said that Vincent would have to approve any reinstatement from the suspension that they didn’t ask for.

    “The league” was not conducting a sting operation either. When Colts GM Ryan Grigson called the week before the AFC championship and informed Kensil that he suspected the Pats were up to something, and they did not tell anyone else about it, that was not a sting.

    When the colts took an intercepted ball to their side line and, against the ball tampering rules, stuck a gauge needle into the ball three times, and then rather than grabbing a referee immediately, alerted sting co-conspirator Kensil that they had a Pats ball in hand that measured below the 12.5 psi limit (because they were too stupid to know that balls lose pressure when they get cold) that was definitely not part of a sting.

    Brady and the Pats flunkies may or may not have deflated any balls. The scientific evidence sure doesn’t suggest they did. At this point I just don’t care anymore. To me, the far bigger problem is the way this entire situation was handled from the beginning, from when Grigson made that first call.

    The league has no integrity to protect.

  121. Most of his press conference was about the need to have an independent view of what happened to make sure there is no bias and then he says he needs to hear the appeal for the integrity of the game. Goddell = talking out of both sides of his mouth.

  122. Remember, Lance Armstrong vehemently denied everything, looked you straight in the eye and denied taking drugs, sued anyone who accused him, etc. Turns out he was a liar all along. Is Brady as good a liar as Lance?

    The crazy thing is if they Pats had just come clean in the first place and hadn’t been so outrageously defiant, this all would have blown over with a slap on the wrist or a warning. The Pats forced Goodell and the league to come down hard on them due to their non-cooperation and defiance.

  123. Give back the trophies. You didn’t earn them.

  124. boisestatewhodat says:
    May 20, 2015 4:03 PM
    Breaking news…although Drew Brees and Sean Payton have absolutely no connection at all to the New England Patriot organization, they too have been suspended for not having anything to do with deflategate…except their suspensions are for the entire season.

    —————————————-
    Drew Brees was suspended?

  125. brian55906 says:
    May 20, 2015 2:46 PM
    So the Patriots lied about being forced by the NFL to suspend the ball deflator?

    I’m shocked……. SHOCKED!!!!!
    =====================================
    Maybe in your feeble mind…but the truth is it was another one of those infamous NFL leeks.

  126. Docjac: I’m not a real Pats fan because I believe what Brady has said and want him to prove it and be done with this? I bleed blue and silver chief, but I also want to know the truth. If Brady had something to hide, then he obviously did something he shouldn’t have. Don’t give me this “everybody does it crap”, quite frankly I’m tired of it. I believe he is innocent, but he needs to prove it. If he did break the rules, then he deserves to be punished… simple as that. I’m a Patriots fan yes, but I’m not blind.

  127. Colts fumble numbers were better than the Patriots fumble numbers 2007-2010. Why’s the outcry?

    Pats were 24th in the league in fumble in 2013. I guess they stopped deflating the balls that year.

  128. marianfl24 says:
    May 20, 2015 4:00 PM
    You Pat’s fans are down right hilarious – Guess you don’t relize if this goes to court Brady has to show the emails and texts – It is the law,but you go ahead and bury your heads in the sand as per usual.
    =====================================
    Oh my GOD!!!
    You’re right! I bet his layer never thought of that!…..what will they do?

  129. 41chacha…yes, he was suspended for the entire season moments ago…Goodell is considering more sanctions against the Saints because…well, why the hell not.

  130. “Goodell also answered with a flat “No” when asked if the league asked the Patriots to suspend Jim McNally and John Jastremski, shooting down a report that they did just that.”

    This alone is damning evidence of wrongdoing. This is such a black and white issue. You either knowingly bend/break/ignore the rules or you don’t. You don’t kind of tamper with the balls. And you don’t fire a guy who texts a colleague about losing weight.

    Evidently it isn’t as black and white as you think it is.
    First of all, there is NO proof that anything was done to the balls. Second, whenever there is an internal investigation of POSSIBLE wrongdoing, it is common practice to suspend employees pending the outcome of the investigation. n.b. suspension is NOT firing. Third, the League cannot fire or suspend these employees as they are employees of the Patriots and not the League. Whether or not the league insisted that the Patriots do this is a matter of conjecture but immaterial since the two people have not been proven to have done anything wrong with the balls yet. Ultimately they will be dealt with in some fashion no doubt becuase at the least their conduct was unprofessional and may have involved stealing equipment.

  131. its fine.. we cheated.. you are all right. our team cheated and we have 4 rings to show for it. Your team may have cheated and may have not, but you probably have no rings to show for it. Perhaps you should ask your ownership group to try harder at cheating so you can have some shiny trophies as well. its nicer with hardware….

  132. Goodell better hope Tom doesn’t sent Giselle in his place to negotiate the suspension. Not only will there be zero games, Goodell would be writing a check for the kids next playroom addition to the home. Seriously, am I the only one that thinks Mrs TB might be tougher then Mr TB?

  133. Kraft screwed his fans..
    The League blows…
    Patriots are Super Bowl Champions..
    Goodell is a PUTZ…

  134. To the people who believe Kraft admitted guilt by not fighting further, read his statement. He did not admit guilt, he chose not to sue his business partners and maintain his status on league committees. I am sure that one of those is the committee that determines Goodell’s salary and the like. If I were Goodell, I am not sure I would want a quiet yet still angry Kraft doing performance reviews. They are not backing off their claims that there is no case for tampering. They are pursuing a strategy that preserves Kraft’s power with in the NFL. Not a bad option in many ways.

    For those of you who believe Kraft did this because the NFL has even worse stuff on the Patriots, take off the tinfoil hats and step away from the computer. It is time to come into the light. The NFL office is sieve, if there was any such claims, the whole world would know due to leaks from those executives. Why on earth would they wait to punish them after the deflate gate mess? There is no reason not to do everything at once since the Pats are already being punished. They are not punishing more because there is nothing more to punish.

    Having just read on ESPN’s site a better article about Brady’s appeal by Lester Munson, their legal writer, I am convinced that the appeal is a double edged sword not only for Brady but Goodell as well. If Brady continues to appeal, Goodell will have to testify. The holes in the Wells report will be brought out. The sting operation claim will be examined. The whole premise of the Wells report is that the balls were tampered with and they say that the ideal gas law does not account for the reduction in PSI alone. Florio and others have pointed out the flaws with this. In court the flaws will receive a full airing. Remember Patriot bashers, the only way the Wells report scientifically proves the Patriots footballs were tampered with is by going against the best recollection of Walt Anderson about which gauge was used to test the footballs at half time. Wells, in a public interview cannot explain why he uses Anderson’s best recollection when it suits his case and ignores that recollection when it does not suit his conclusion. His associate blithely states the gauge does not matter for the investigation. Really? The second gauge consistently read .3-.4 PSI lower then the gauge Anderson remembers using. I for one want to hear why Goodell did not question that finding more closely. If science proves that the Patriots did not tamper, then text messages are really irrelevant.

  135. jnbnet says:
    May 20, 2015 5:06 PM

    brian55906 says:
    May 20, 2015 2:46 PM
    So the Patriots lied about being forced by the NFL to suspend the ball deflator?

    I’m shocked……. SHOCKED!!!!!
    =====================================
    Maybe in your feeble mind…but the truth is it was another one of those infamous NFL leeks.
    ____

    It actually was a league leak. Go back and read the story. League source gave the info to Shefter. How someone gives this thumbs down is beyond me.

  136. sbchampsagain says:
    May 20, 2015 4:37 PM

    Is it possible that Goodell showed Kraft something that made him rethink the appeal?

    Perhaps there was more of a smoking gun than originally thought or was included in the Wells report to protect the Patriots?

    It just seems odd that Kraft would be so irate and then take a major back step.

    Maybe Goodell showed Kraft some damning evidence that showed the Patriots were aware and cheating more and it made him back off.

    Is Brady the fall guy for this?!
    ——–
    If there were any legitimate evidence, it would have either been in the report, or have already been leaked by the league office.

    Kraft just realized there was nothing to be gained by dragging the NFL, and potentially other teams, through the same mud they dragged the Patriots through.

  137. tim2200 says:
    May 20, 2015 2:46 PM

    Don’t do it Tom. Head to court. Tell a judge you will trust him and turn over your phone but not to Leaky Goodell.
    ====================================

    Knock knock, McFly, are you in there? Brady isn’t being asked to give his phone to the NFL, he’s being asked to give his phone to his lawyer & agent, then for them all to turn over any records THEY find there as pertinent.

    Typical Pats fan – ignorance is bliss.

  138. exponent, the company used to debunk the Ideal gas law also did a report for the tabacco company saying 2 ns hand smoke is not cancerous… The tabacco company paid them to support that conclusion just like Well paid them to back his conclusions… Now, no offense, if you truly believe 2nd hand smoke can’t cause cancer please contact me as I have some ocean front property in colorado I’d like to sell you…. Smokin deal!!!

  139. QUESTION FOR THE COMMISSIONER

    SIR: Who leaked the BOGUS psi numbers to Chris Mortensen of ESPN back in January, and why did he do it? That SCURRILOUS deed, apparently emanating from inside NFL headquarters, set the stage for this fiasco and its PREJUDICIAL and otherwise scandalous tone vis-a-vis the Patriots from the outset. Why hasn’t this individual been IDENTIFIED and PENALIZED by the NFL? The DEFAMATORY nature of this act is at LEAST as egregious as the allegations of deflated footballs, wouldn’t you agree? In the interest of truth and justice, perhaps it would be be wise if a specially-appointed federal prosecutor investigated this entire DEBACLE from A to Z.

  140. Oh the New England Patriots. Ive always been suspicious about how they did things from preparation to on field performances. It’s they already knew what the other teams were doing

  141. Goodell is toast, and Kessler will butter him for breakfast. End of story; Brady starts on Sept 10.

  142. brian55906 says:
    May 20, 2015 2:46 PM
    So the Patriots lied about being forced by the NFL to suspend the ball deflator?

    I’m shocked……. SHOCKED!!!!!

    —–

    Indeed, a reporter providing information from a “unnamed source” is totally the equivalent of the Patriots lying.

    People are stupid.

  143. The NFL has literally become its own alternate reality. They just conducted a massive (though shoddily managed), multi-million dollar investigation triggered, in all likelihood, by over-zealous league officials who didn’t understand the relationship between air temperature and pressure and who were equipped with cheap measuring instruments. Despite apparently limitless resources, they produced no definitive evidence that cheating had occurred. Then, because the league office had already over-zealously leaked sordid (and incorrect) details to the press, thus creating a clear ‘cheating’ narrative that they did not correct for four months, they went ahead and punished the Patriots like they were caught red-handed anyway (even though there’s really no secure evidence that actual wrongdoing occurred). Then, because of the bizarre structure of the NFL (and for fear of losing his place of prominence among his billionaire co-owners), the Patriots’ owner backs down and accepts the ludicrous punishment (even though he doesn’t actually believe his team is guilty). Now, we look forward to the legal debate over whether or not the commissioner can hear the appeal of the punishment he created, even though he had a minion actually release the punishment. Most of the press talk as though Brady, up til now a model of behavior on and off the field, including extensive charity work, is somehow guilty of some egregious crime, even though (again), there’s literally no good evidence of anything. What’s clear to me is that the narrative constructed by reporters (many of whom have not even bothered to read the report or its response) and their readers is far more important to the NFL than any kind of objective reality. How can a situation that may quite literally have started because a few officials didn’t know that air pressure decreases with lowered temperatures reach this point? I feel like the only way this can happen is if there is an absolute void of leadership. For God’s sake, will someone please fire Goodell!

  144. IMO Roger Goodell is not a good leader and should go. The fact he takes polls of the prevailing winds before giving punishments is a sign of that. A good leader has his own sense of right and wrong and the discrimination to see what is appropriate in various circumstances.

    The NFL punishments during his tenure have been all over the place with no real consistency. In the recent case with the Patriots he’s hasn’t been forthright about the NFL’s mishandling of the whole mess… no culpability.

    Look at Paul Tagliabue’s comments after arbitrating the Bountygate scandal. They show the difference between someone who understands how to make real changes in the NFL culture and not just create resentment through intimidation and heavy handedness.

    I think as fans of the NFL we need someone whose judgement and character we can trust, not someone who takes polls to see which decision will be most popular.

  145. nflmonky2 says:
    May 20, 2015 6:45 PM
    IMO Roger Goodell is not a good leader and should go. The fact he takes polls of the prevailing winds before giving punishments is a sign of that. A good leader has his own sense of right and wrong and the discrimination to see what is appropriate in various circumstances.

    The NFL punishments during his tenure have been all over the place with no real consistency. In the recent case with the Patriots he’s hasn’t been forthright about the NFL’s mishandling of the whole mess… no culpability.

    Look at Paul Tagliabue’s comments after arbitrating the Bountygate scandal. They show the difference between someone who understands how to make real changes in the NFL culture and not just create resentment through intimidation and heavy handedness.

    I think as fans of the NFL we need someone whose judgement and character we can trust, not someone who takes polls to see which decision will be most popular.

    _______________________________

    I could not agree more. I had hoped that the one good thing that might come out of this debacle was the end of Roger Goodell. Unfortunately, it looks like the billionaire owners are far too content with counting their profits and managing their images to bring about the necessary changes.

  146. The fumbling record proves the Pats have cheated for years. There’s no denying it.

    Remember when you guys said the wells report would nail the Colts, then you said Kraft would fight it, then you said other team would boycott in support of the pats, now you say Brady will sue?

    It’s been quite entertaining.

    YOUR OWNER ADMITTED YOU CHEATED DURING SPYGATE AND AGAIN DURING DEFLATEGATE.

    You will be remembered like Lance Armstrong.

    You are cheaters.

    Cheers and God Bless.

  147. Let’s see if that coward named Tom Brady will come out and be a man about this stuff, instead of hiding behind the NFLPA.

  148. The part where Goodell said that Wells investigated league wrongdoing as part of his report might be the last straw for me. What a complete and utterly ridiculous thing to say. The Wells report scrupulously avoided any investigation of league officials. This whole thing absolutely reeks to the high heavens.

  149. Dear Roger:

    Mail the FACTUAL EVIDENCE of me cheating to my house. You have my address. You have suspended me for cheating. Prove it. Your doofus lackey Wells drew an idiotic conclusion based on a text that that moron obviously has no clue what it meant.

    If you cant comply with my fair request, the next time you will see me face to face is in court. Oh and bring a certified bank check because you are going to need a big one after im done with you.

    Sincerely,
    Tom

  150. Dear Roger:

    Mail the FACTUAL EVIDENCE of me cheating to my house. You have my address. You have suspended me for cheating. Prove it. Your doofus lackey Wells drew an idiotic conclusion based on a text that that moron obviously has no clue what it meant.

    If you cant comply with my fair request, the next time you will see me face to face is in court. Oh and bring a certified bank check because you are going to need a big one after im done with you.

    Sincerely,
    Tom
    ——————————
    Dear Tom,

    Bring it…and that phone…..

    Best Regards,

    Roger

  151. For the conspiracy theorists…..

    Patriots balls tested for deflation: 12

    Tom Brady’s number: 12

    Coincidence???

    No, that wasn’t it…..

    We call ourselves the 12th man here in Seattle…..

    A new wrinkle???

  152. remember when belichick’s press conference, the one where he threw brady under the bus, from that moment it was obvious something happened

  153. It does not matter. Despite having no secondary, the pats will be back in the playoffs and everyone will have to talk about them, again. It will happen the year after that , and the year after that as well. Just accept it.

  154. I’m just amazed the NE Cheaters and their fans are now blaming Goodell, for their scandal. I believe this is called deflection, when you try to shift blame. Obviously, in the demented minds of Cheater fans, this is some sort of conspiracy against their hero’s, who would never do anything wrong or break any rules.

    Tom Terrific, and Bill Belle-cheat, should have been suspended for a year, at a minimum. Over the years, the NE Cheaters have been involved in MANY cheating scandals, not to mention the recent undeclared ineligible receiver ruse. That’s what these folks teach and live. Everything is legal, if you want to win.

  155. Well as a hater at least you’re not calling for a public execution… I guess you almost qualify as a fan just based off that…
    By the way it’s not all bad we just won a Super Bowl baby!!!

  156. Brady should take his 4 game suspension and stay in Mexico the whole time. Screw the stupid NFL listening to all these braying asses out here. Fans from other teams, shedding crocodile tears over a ridiculous technicality.

    Heck, I wish Brady would give the whole NFL the finger and head to the CFL or somewhere else.

  157. Just wondering…when Brady accepts the suspension and doesn’t sue, with the Pats-homers come up with a new rationalization for that or will they go on the same “you threw us fans under the bus” rant they’ve done with Kraft?

  158. Goodell wantin to see Brady’s phone is a red herring to distract people from the evidence which exonerates Brady.

    Wells had access to the phones of McNally and Jastremski . so they already have the communication records between Brady and the other members of this alleged conspiracy.

    The Wells report already exonerates Brady, as any neutral observer would conclude. The balls were never deflated by McNally, as proven by the Ideal Gas Law.

    but Goodell has seen the poll numbers. the majority of talk radio and the media has been attacking Brady for this scandal for 5 months, convincing the public that Brady did wrongdoing. Goodell is looking for a way to ignore the scientific evidence and suspend Brady for not handing over his phone.

    Brady probably already fully deleted all his old messages, so even if he hands over his phone, the deleted messages will be used against him as evidence of obstruction. Brady will find it difficult to win…but in the long run it will be acknowledged that he was innocent. the Science and logic proves it

  159. Goodell wanting to see Brady’s phone is just official confirmation of what he already knows. They’ve seen the messages from Brady on the other phones, this will verify that his phone was the one that sent them. Likely outcomes:

    a) Brady doesn’t provide phone – continued lack of cooperation; no change in suspension.

    b) Brady provides phone, but it’s been tampered with – attempt to interfere with confirmation; no change in suspension.

    c) Brady provides phone, untampered – Goodell confirms messages sent/received from Brady’s phone; no change in suspension.

  160. truetrue85 says:
    May 20, 2015 5:08 PM

    Docjac: I’m not a real Pats fan because I believe what Brady has said and want him to prove it and be done with this? I bleed blue and silver chief, but I also want to know the truth. If Brady had something to hide, then he obviously did something he shouldn’t have. Don’t give me this “everybody does it crap”, quite frankly I’m tired of it. I believe he is innocent, but he needs to prove it. If he did break the rules, then he deserves to be punished… simple as that. I’m a Patriots fan yes, but I’m not blind.
    ——–
    How do you prove that you didn’t do something?

  161. Profootball13

    I may be a Patriots fan, but I am hardly delusional

    I am a published researcher, a former teachers of physics and general chemistry, and I currently own a doctorate and a masters with extensive training in inferential statistics and research methods.

    Whether you like it or not, if taken objectively the measurements contained in the Wells Report strongly support that no tampering occurred. The difference between the two measurements, one which exonerates the Patriots and one which was lower than expected, of 3.2% is clearly most likely due to measurement error.

    The mean of all 24 measurements was 11.3, which is on the lower end of what even the Wells report says would be expected based on Gas Behavior (11.3-11.5).

    The Exonant study uses statistically valid methods to assess garbage data. The study even says that it is based on certain “assumptions.” No scientist or researcher in their right mind would consider those assumptions reasonable to make considering the conditions under which the data was collected.

    I am afraid it is you who simply don’t know or understand what you are talking about and are governed by your biases.

    None of us will ever know whether McNally took a whiz as he says or actually deflated balls, but I can say objectively based on what I think it is fair to say my extensive experience in this area that the data is generally right where it should be considering changes in atmospheric conditions and any narrow discrepencies in the data are completely expected and well within range of expected measurement error considering non scientific conditions.

    Signed, Someone that actually has a clue

  162. Wells had to stretch the case for believing that the footballs were intentionally deflated when the chilly, rainy weather could have accounted for all the drop in air pressure, according to the NFL’s own scientists — while other variables were not fully taken into account, such as the way the Patriots conditioned their footballs by rubbing off the finish that, if not rubbed off, would have made them more water-resistant.

    What the scientists hired by the NFL found was that the wetness of a football was a significant factor in both the drop in air pressure and the slowness for the pressure to restore once the football is moved to a warmer location. Thus, the amount of water that penetrates a football would be a relevant factor but that was not fully assessed by the NFL’s scientific testing.

    By contrast, the footballs used by the Indianapolis Colts had not been rubbed down nearly as much, so they would have retained more of their water resistance.

    Another key factor in evaluating the pressure of the Patriots’ footballs compared to those used by the Colts was the timing of the balls being tested inside the referees’ locker room at halftime. The scientists found that footballs, especially dry ones, regain their pressure fairly quickly once in a warmer environ, so the timing of those comparative tests represented another key variable.

    I suspect Kraft threw Brady under the bus, because Brady is 37 years old, in 2 years he will be retired. This makes it easier to dump Brady next year.

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