Report: Belichick never believed Brady on deflation issue

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The popular theory regarding the somewhat surprising decision of the Patriots to not appeal the punishments imposed against the team by the NFL is that owner Robert Kraft and Commissioner Roger Goodell struck some sort of a behind-the-scenes deal, possibly one that entails reducing the four-game suspension imposed on quarterback Tom Brady. But there’s another theory that is simpler, both on the surface and beneath.

Maybe the Patriots just caved because they knew they couldn’t win and they didn’t want to do more damage to their relationship with their 31 business partners and the presiding body that binds them together.

Appearing recently on CSN New England’s Sports Tonight, Ron Borges of the Boston Herald offered up a tidbit that fits with the theory that the Patriots abandoned a fight they knew: (1) they wouldn’t win; and (2) would make things worse.

“[Coach Bill] Belichick never believed [Brady’s] story, from what I was told,” Borges said. “Because they all know. Why do you think all those retired quarterbacks, the Troy Aikmans of the world — Troy Aikman is about as nice a guy as I’ve ever met in football — nobody’s backed [Brady]. Nobody, not a single guy. Why do you think that is? Because they hate Brady? No. Because they’re not stupid. They know nothing’s done with those balls that the quarterback doesn’t want done.”

That’s pretty much what Brady said back in January, during that awkward are-you-a-cheater?-I-don’t-believe-so press conference that few found credible.

“When I pick those footballs out, at that point, to me, they’re perfect. I don’t want anyone touching the balls after that, I don’t want anyone rubbing them, putting any air in, taking any air out, to me those balls are perfect and that’s what I expect when I’m on the field,” Brady said.

So if he doesn’t want anyone to do anything to the footballs after that and if they do something to the footballs after that, they’re either making the footballs less perfect to Brady’s chagrin — or more perfect to Brady’s delight.

The Wells report has many flaws. The science is shoddy and suspect. And the team of high-priced sharks supposedly skilled and experienced in interrogating witnesses was unable to get a confession from a pair of maroons whose text messages made them seem guilty.

Even without a confession or a smoking gun from Messrs. Beavis and Butthead, the text messages made them seem guilty. Someone apparently was doing something to footballs that Brady had deemed to be perfect. Although the NFL historically failed to understand the dynamics of air pressure and historically failed to apply any sort of scientific principles to the pre-game inflation process and historically failed to properly supervise the footballs before kickoff and historically failed to ensure a clear chain of custody of the official game balls, the text messages point vaguely to misconduct. Although some league officials may have had an agenda against the Patriots during the AFC title game and after it (by leaking blatantly false PSI data to ESPN, which gave the situation a much more sinister feel), the text messages point vaguely to misconduct.

That’s perhaps why Belichick isolated Brady from the get go, telling reporters that the coach knew nothing about the preparation of the footballs, and that reporters would have to talk to Brady. Unless a deal was struck through the back channels to secure better treatment for Brady (if he accepts the obvious offer from Commissioner Roger Goodell to finally turn over that cell phone), the Patriots perhaps have decided that they should walk away from a fight they can’t win because they finally realize it’s also a fight they shouldn’t win.

Still, it’s also a fight the NFL has failed to convincingly win, thanks to a multi-million-dollar investigation that resulted in a puzzle pieces being jammed together to look like the lid of a different box. And that’s the biggest problem with this entire escapade. By failing to craft a report that withstood objective external scrutiny, Wells and company made it impossible for anyone to achieve a clear sense as to what did and didn’t happen. They were supposed to get to the truth. Instead, the developed a visceral sense of what the truth was, and they did an ineffective job of finding the truth and presenting it in a way that comes off as persuasive and accurate.

But if Belichick ultimately doesn’t believe Brady, there was no reason to keep fighting. And if Borges is right, the Patriots may have deeper issues to deal with regarding the relationship between franchise quarterback and coach and franchise quarterback and franchise.

265 responses to “Report: Belichick never believed Brady on deflation issue

  1. This is B.S. Since when does Belichick talk with the media about anything other than vague issues.
    Especially with the likes of Felger and Borges. Borges has waged a b.s. war in Belichick since the Seymore draft pick.

  2. “[Coach Bill] Belichick never believed [Brady’s] story, from what I was told,” Borges said. ”
    ————————————
    His sources are the voices in his head.

  3. Borges is a discredited hack who was previously fired from one Boston media outlet for plagiarism. He hates the Pats and Belichick, and will say anything he can to discredit them or create crap for the Pats.

    Don’t ever believe a word out of Borges’ mouth.

  4. The 49ers are the only franchise you should support.

    Not this cheating, murderer-defending losers, who really have 0 rings.

    #EmbraceTheNinersDynasty

  5. “That’s what I was told,” he said, without naming sources or even indicating if he had multiple sources. Was he told by Jimmy the lot attendant? Did he read the moronic hate in the comments section?

    It’s baloney.

  6. Pats fans who chose to throw up on Kraft now have to decide between Bill and Tom.

  7. Despite my belief that Brady is guilty, Ron Borges is NOT be trusted. All he eats is sour grapes towards the Pats.

    Borges kicking the Pats while their down is just par for the course.

  8. They ought to just trade Brady. The whole NE franchise would look better in the public eye and their only sacrifice would be an aging QB who probably doesn’t have that many years left in the league anyway. Brady ought to just take the punishment and shut up before the team figures out they can live without him.

  9. Not sure I’m buying any of this, but if it would happen to be true, watch out if Garapollo wins his 4 games.

  10. So he never believed Brady and let Kraft make an idiot of himself backing Brady up? Borges is a moron and anyone who believes this is just as dumb as he is. Isn’t there a women’s basketball game he should be covering?

  11. Ron Borges is a plagiarist who despises Belichick- you cannot believe a word he writes. He has to zero credibility.

  12. Ron Borges is a convicted liar who has had an axe to grind against Belichick and the Patriots for years. I guarantee you that no one in Belichick’s circle would tell him anything. He is the Skip Bayless of New England.

  13. I’m with Charles Pierce on this whole thing. Not that the hysterical masses on either side will look at it but the Grantland articles he wrote mostly sum it up for me.

  14. I would love to be a fly on the wall when brady and belichick met. Belichick is ruthless, wonder how he handles being lied to by a star.

  15. The best thing is this shuts up all of these frontrunning patriots fans. I couldn’t be happier

  16. Belichick may not believe Brady, but I wouldn’t take that at face value from Ron Borges. Anyone living in New England knows the modus operandi of Ron Borges. He is the most negative writer I have ever come across and he has a tremendous ax to grind with the Pats and Belichick for whatever reason. The story may be true but I wouldn’t use Ron Borges as the pillar to hold up the story.

  17. Or maybe Tom Brady said, “put the balls at the minimum pressure. That’s how I like ’em.”

    That is not directing cheating. That is stating a preference.

    Perhaps Beavis and Butthead were overzealous in meeting this goal. With 90 seconds to let the air out of a dozen balls, who has time to accurately check the pressure?

    Deflating after referee verification is an act that falls afoul as it de-certifies the ball. This is true even if the new pressure is within the prescribed range.

  18. The stage is now set for the rest of the league. Come cold weather and a football is missing a couple of cricket farts, there goes your 1st round draft pick .

  19. “Maybe the Patriots just caved because they knew they couldn’t win and they didn’t want to do more damage to their relationship with their 31 business partners and the presiding body that binds them together.”

    I’ve been saying this all along. The Patriots did NOT want anything further unearthed, and chose to cut their losses — while at the same time, trying to (falsely) preserve the (bogus) angle about how they did not nothing wrong and that the league wronged them.

    All the had to do was admit, and this would have gone away. But, in the fashion of “The Patriot Way,” they tried to lie, cheat, conceal, bluff, posture, etc. — and this time, their attempts to deceive were detected and seen through.

    Yeah, the Deflator was just trying to lose weight. They even insisted that was why McNally referred to himself as the Deflator — all while the topic of the inflation of footballs to Tawmy’s liking was the direct topic on the table at the time.

  20. Of course this must be true, given the Herald’s spotless record of accurate reporting, fact-checking and source validation. It’s not like they’ve ever had to print a retraction or apology or anything like that.

  21. Of course he never believed Brady, no one did. Even the homer Patriot fans know their team cheats, they just don’t care which is pretty sad really. He is guilty and received a pretty minor penalty. He should just take it and move on.

  22. I hate Brady. Can’t stand him. But my entire theory on this is pretty much what I think most people do:

    1. Deflating footballs on the scale of cheating is pretty inconsequential. But it is cheating.
    2. Brady is as guilty as sin. Even his own team has basically conceded it. If the entire lot of them would just shut up, accept the punishment and admit it was stupid, it wouldn’t be such a huge issue.
    3. Brady’s denials and throwing locker room peons under the bus is purely a dick move.

  23. I that that if healthy, Brady will play all 16 games plus the post season this year. He should file his suit in federal court. Previously the only issue was the punishment for an admitted event. Mr. Kraft (and presumably Brady) believes the underlying event has not been proven to a sufficient standard. Brady’s suit will define the standard the commissioner must use to determine a disputed event prior to imposing discipline. I suspect the union will push for a “clear and convincing standard” which the Wells report admittedly cannot meet.

    I think the establishment of a standard of proof is an unexplored explanation for the Patriot surrender. If a court rules that an event must be proven by clear and convincing evidence and invalidates the Brady suspension, how can the NFL keep the punishment meted to the Patriots? Remember, Mr. Kraft disputed the underlying event, but accepted the punishment for the good of the league. Was there a deal that if the court ruled the evidence insufficient, the punishment of the team would be lifted? Is that the deal that defused the potential explosive situation?

    I also believe the Brady court case will become seminal in defining what “cooperation” is required under the CBA. Must a player surrender all rights to privacy? Is an employee required to submit to endless interviews? Are “fishing expeditions” part of cooperation? The court will likely impose limits such as those used by the American Arbitration Association or federal discovery rules. If it does, the punishment based on “non cooperation” will be unenforceable.

    Moreover, the court will take its time in light of the more serious cases it will have on its docket. I believe Brady will get (or the NFL will agree to) a temporary restraining order to prevent imposition of the suspension. By the time the case is decided, the season will be over – perhaps the case will continue long enough that it will be mooted by Brady’s retirement.

    I find it incredible that none of the commentators seem to believe their own words – the NFL is a business. NBC will get the opening Pats game (Pittsburgh) and the “return” game (Colts). CBS will get three devalued games – including Buffalo and Cowboys. Anyone care to guess how CBS feels about the suspension?

  24. The ideal gas theory had a major hole in it. The balls “naturally” deflateted in the first half due to “ideal gas law”. But at halftime the report says they refilled the balls to 13 PSI.

    When they re-measured the balls AFTER the game, they all maintained a PSI of 13.oo+

    Why would the balls only naturally deflate in the first half, but not in the 2nd half in the same conditions?? Besides that, they still had 3 balls that measured below even the maximum ranges of the effects of the “ideal gas law”.

    Plus a guy named the Deflator took them into a bathroom before hand. Putting it all together, they cheated.

  25. I would take this ‘report’ with a huge grain of salt. Here in Boston, Borges has a well-earned reputation as a notorious Patriots troll. In fact, it’s hard to imagine a reporter less likely to get a leaked ‘scoop’ from someone in Belichick’s inner circle.

    “Sunday is how dynasties end: with small broken pieces, not large ones,” Ron Borges of the Boston Herald writes. Oh yeah, that was November of 2011.

  26. Ron Borges hates the Patriot’s despite writing for a Boston paper. He fits in with all the Patriot haters who can’t see the flaws in this entire story.

  27. Of course… belichick doesn’t believe him because he not only has the opponent locker rooms under electronic audio and video surveillance… but… the patriots locker room, too.

  28. How about the more basic presumption…that Bellichik has fought with the NFL and lost, and knows that the truth is of little consequence?

    Bellichik and Brady were clearly counseled by the Patriots before making public statements. It’s a little late to be suggesting they weren’t in agreement.

  29. Seriously? There have been more leaks with this than in the footballs before the AFC Chamionship Game (more likely than not 0).

  30. Except Belichick held a second press conference where he went to the mat for Brady. Borges is an admitted plagarist with a vendetta against Belichick. Borges might possibly be further removed from the truth than Ted Wells.

  31. Belichick’s not stupid. High school QB’s like their footballs a certain way.

    Kraft is not stupid either. He did the right thing.

    Patriots fans’ reaction to Kraft doing the right thing is pretty disturbing. Their warped idea of the standard of proof is comical. The “deflator” was trying to lose weight? No direct evidence? Really?

    Circumstantial evidence is evidence. If you get up in the morning and see the ground is wet, you have circumstantial evidence that it rained.

    The Patriots do not want the NFL to further scrutinize the unbelievable lack of fumbles since 2007. Those stats don’t lie.

    Funny thing – if Brady would have just told the truth, apologized and accepted his punishment, this would be over and much better for the team.

  32. Ron Borges doesn’t exactly have the greatest reputation here in New England, so I’ll take what he says with a humongous grain of salt.

  33. The criteria in the NFL is that something has to be “more probable than not” (since 2008). The wells report doesn’t have to provide a smoking gun or confession as this article implies. MOST people think that based on what we know, he PROBABLY cheated. Thats it… That is the criteria. Although you would like to raise the bar, this is the criteria that was agreed upon. Big Ben got suspended because he PROBABLY was involved in some wrongdoing (nothing was proven). It shouldn’t change just because it’s Tom Brady.

  34. Ron Borges has had a bad/antagonistic relationship with Bill Belichick for years.
    There is NO ONE Borges spoke with who told him how Bill Belichick feels about this or anything else.
    Borges simply does not have that kind of access to Belichick’s inner circle.
    This is Borges trying to stir the pot.

    BTW Borges was fired by the Boston Globe for plagiarism. Check him out sometime on Youtube. He’s a real ‘winner’ if you know what I mean.

  35. Ron Borges??? Ron Borges, seriously?
    He writes in Boston, but he despises Belichick and the Patriots.
    I stopped reading as soon as I saw his name.
    The guy has never had any credibility as a writer.

  36. Ron Borges is not very credible. He was fired from the Boston Globe for plagiarism. He has a long history of a major feud with Bill Belichick. He has constantly tried to smear Belichick over the last 15 years.

    It is hard to believe that Borges, who is persona non grata with Belichick and his confidants getting this scoop. It seems more likely, and totally in his character, to have made it up to get to Belichick.

    If virtually any other Boston writer got this story, it might be credible. But for Borges to have it, it doesn’t make sense. It would be like Rush Limbaugh getting a juicy scoop of what Obama was thinking before anyone else. Just would never happen.

  37. Make sense looking back at the first week this stuff dropped. Coach was up there for 10 min. Brady stumbled around for 30. I honestly think the league and the Pats limited the Wells investigators is some ways with their requests to the investigators. Seems like the report considered which of two sides of the story are true, but didn’t necessary look to see if there was a better narrative that made more sense.

  38. It’s coming full circle from the press conference. Belichek, who already took his beating for cheating in SpyGate wanted no part of this problem. There were only ever two questions:

    Were balls changed after they were checked in at the game?

    Is it plausible that anyone in the Patriot’s organization would mess with Tom’s balls outside his direction.

    All the talk about the science. All the nattering about how material it is. All the chatter about weight loss versus PSI loss. It was all obscuring the simplicity of the Patriots problem. And Belichek, he knew all along. As soon as he knew mutt and jeff changed the ball pressure after the inspection, he knew everything that mattered.

  39. Please Ron Borges is to the Patriots what Jay Mariotti was to Chicago.
    He is the reporter that always no matter what will write negative stuff.
    He’s that guy, every city has one.

  40. Hahahaha!!! Even Belichick knows his QB is a cheater. Belichick is going to trade tom brady bcuz brady lied to him. Tom brady’s greatness is the biggest myth is sports history. Nothing but a 6th round talent who benefitted from riding coattails & cheating. Tom brady is a fraud.

  41. Hindsight is 20/20.. I know.

    But in hindsight.. the Wells report should have been just that.. a report.. A report on what they knew happen. And that’s all.

    It should not have had conclusions (ie, more probable than not so-and-so cheated). Let those reading the report make their own conclusions.

    My money is on Godell giving Brady a complete pass on the deflation (“because there’s not hard evidence”) but still invoking a suspension for “not cooperating with the investigation, which is conduct detremental….” Then, he’ll reduce that sentence, to probably 3 (maybe 2) games.

    Oh.. and an additional bit of money is on Boston hosting the draft in the next 2 or 3 years. (no back-door agreement, my _____! )

  42. You almost have to start feeling bad for Brady at this point. The dude is losing more and more credibility as each day passes.

  43. Ofcourse he didin’t believe him.
    Look at the first press conference Bellichick gave. Watch his body language and facial expressions. Its not your typical glib Bellichick pressor. He’s pissed. He looks like my father use to while he was quietly counting to 10 after we broke the neighbors fence and said it wasn’t us.
    Seriously watch it. That is a man who is pissed at his kid for doing something stupid.

  44. “by leaking blatantly false PSI data to ESPN, which gave the situation a much more sinister feel”

    That’s all you need to say about this. This false report started all this over reaction.

  45. Ron Borges is a plagiarist that hates the Patriots. Just tell the truth Bill, you’re a diabolical genius that ordered the Code Red after you thought the refs were deliberately over-inflating the footballs.

  46. I believe it goes back to the Jets game last season.
    For whatever reason, the footballs were overinflated and Brady had a meltdown.
    It wouldn’t surprise me if some Jets personnel witnessed Brady screaming at the equipment guys that they screwed up.
    It may have been the refs that screwed up, or some shady activity from New York people.
    For whatever the reason, the footballs weren’t right.
    It’s possible that the ball guys have been messing with the footballs to not get yelled at again for bringing him overinflated footballs.
    The whole overinflated scandal is a joke.
    But make no mistake, this started and ends in New York.

  47. 1) Shocked if most QB’s don’t do it….Brady was just better at it.
    2) If Belichick didn’t know, you’d really question his control over his team….and I have no doubt he is in full control.
    3) Quit with the haters comments. Hate is a strong word and this is a simple but undeniable pushing of the rules.

  48. Anyone who knows Boston sports knows Ron Borges is the worst kind of hack. Fired from one paper for plagiarism, he’s spent his career picking fights with the local sports teams, coaches, and players. He’s one notch below Shaughnessy @ the Globe, which makes him one notch above pond scum….barely.

  49. This is more than likely a lie.

    Belichick hates Borges. There’s pretty much a zero chance that, given his past with the team, he has any sources or scoop.

    Nothing gets out unless belichick wants it out and he clearly wants nothing to do with this circus

  50. If McNally “Deflator” text from May 2014 refers to illegally deflating balls post ref inspection with help/knowledge of Brady and Jaremsky, explain 16 psi balls from Jets game, which was played at New England in Oct 2014.

  51. BTW…… There’s 0% possibility that Belichick ever spoke to Borges. He hates him with the power of a million suns.
    .

  52. Borges isn’t dumb enough to believe this.

    Kraft gave in because the NFL makes him insanely rich and going along w this will help him to continue to be insanely rich. He could’ve dragged the Goodell and this process out and embarrassed the league but instead he’ll store this favor away until he can cash it in.

    And Belichick didn’t care. He saw a witch hunt coming and got out of the way. Good for him.

  53. I have a much different theory for you…
    Bill distanced it from himself because the actual game day footballs are 100 % BRADY ‘S baby….simple as that…Bill is so focused on ALL the other aspects of the game he isn’t involved in game day balls as he knows that they are checked by game day officials & approved for use or not….why focus on something like that when it’s NOTHING that he has any input or controll over so he leaves that to Brady & the LEAGUE
    Also I believe Kraft is still wicked angry about everything & NEVER admitted to any wrongdoing even while doing his about face in his acceptance of the leagues sanctions, reluctantly, as he said in his statement…. Yes, it got fans angry because he led us to believe he was going to fight it when in fact he never was…Kraft is a powerful yet single member of an extreemly ELITE billionaires boys club…he’s NOT going to fight the LEAGE or cash cow that he’s fortunate to be a member of & become the next AL DAVIS that won the battle & LOST THE WAR…think about it for a minute, to fight the LEAGUE is in essence fighting against himself & his elitist brotheren of the very same group he’s part of… Bad for all of them & the league he’s so proud to be part of… Basically a very very stupid thing to do from a BUSINESS standpoint & we all know Kraft is Far from that!!! Also as an OWNER of a team he has a much more limited ability to fight the league(without ticking off all his partners)as opposed to those of a player that does that fairly regularly as of late & almost always wins when the courts get involved…sure, the imposed sanctions hurt but with Bill & Brady Kraft knows he can overcome those setbacks even though on the surface it tarnishes his team… THUS it now becomes Brady’s turn… Brady is a ferocious competator & his reputation & legacy has now been called into question…THAT is where things will get really bad for the NFL & Kraft can sit back & enjoy the show while both appeasing his fellow billionaires & letting Brady & his Lawyers expose the wells Report & all that goes/surrounds it for the CRAP that it is…Brady will not accept anything but FULL exoneration or this goes to court…Goodell is NOW up the creek without a Paddle… Goodell doesn’t want this to go to court & have to air all the dealings that went on that ended up creating this FARCE known as Deflategate…Kraft won’t get his apology but Brady just might & get his 4 games reduced down to ZERO…I seriously don’t believe Brady will settle for less or he goes to court where Roger & company will lose & LOSE bad… NOW it’s time to see Roger cave completely & do a 180 on behalf of the league or face the reality of perhaps losing his job once all disclosure comes out in the court system…& Kraft comes out of this extreemly pleased as a result of just letting his PLAYER do the dirty work he couldn’t…
    Brady will be under center game 1… Of that I have no doubt!!!

  54. truthfactory says:
    May 22, 2015 8:40 AM

    The ideal gas theory had a major hole in it. The balls “naturally” deflateted in the first half due to “ideal gas law”. But at halftime the report says they refilled the balls to 13 PSI.

    When they re-measured the balls AFTER the game, they all maintained a PSI of 13.oo+

    Why would the balls only naturally deflate in the first half, but not in the 2nd half in the same conditions?? Besides that, they still had 3 balls that measured below even the maximum ranges of the effects of the “ideal gas law”.

    Plus a guy named the Deflator took them into a bathroom before hand. Putting it all together, they cheated.

    ————–

    So then why is it that there was no investigation into the Colts balls, which were under 12.5 psi in 3 out of the 4 balls tested?

  55. >blakeden says:
    May 22, 2015 8:59 AM

    And who fed this Borges guy that line of BS?<

    The voice in his head.

  56. I don’t know of any reporter in the Boston market that has less respect than Ron Borges. He is a well known plagiarist who was canned by the Globe and writes for the rag known as the Boston Herald.

    I would include John Tomase since he had to print a retraction on the walk thru he is not allowed on the grounds of Gillette Stadium.

    I cannot think of one level article written by Borges but I never waste my time reading his trash.

  57. Well if anyone has the inside track to how Bill Belichick feels it is Ron Borges…. I mean really? Just for having a few connections on Nantucket I am closer to Belichick’s inner circle than Ron Borges is. Talk about reporters that have been shut out of inside Patriots news.

    There’s is an inherent difference in Brady wanting his balls a certain way and tampering with footballs after the refs sign off on them. If Brady “Gave the order”, but the order was “I want the footballs at 12.5” is that a crime?

  58. Everyone is overflowing with jealousy. This nonsense about cheating is the result of the anger that has built up over the last 15 years in the sorry souls of lesser franchises.

    Get it through your heads. No proofy = no cheaty.

    #EndTheWarOnWinning
    #NoProofy
    #NoCheaty

  59. Brady reminds me of Martha Stewart. At the core, Martha got a tip from a friend that said something bad was about to happen at his company. She did what she shouldn’t do, but, at the same time, hard to argue with, that is, she sold the stock. Had the story ended there, she pays a fine and moves on.

    But no. She is investigated and denies and bobs and weaves and in her case, altered her own diary/daily planner. Bing bang boom, she is obstructing justice and ends up getting a jail sentance.

    What Tom did was no big crime of the century. Too bad he didn’t man up.

  60. ronin36 says:
    May 22, 2015 8:57 AM

    Oh.. and an additional bit of money is on Boston hosting the draft in the next 2 or 3 years. (no back-door agreement, my _____! )
    ===================
    If the draft goes to Boston, you can bet Goodell won’t. No chance Goodell puts his life in danger by announcing draft picks in Boston.

  61. Oh.. and an additional bit of money is on Boston hosting the draft in the next 2 or 3 years. (no back-door agreement, my _____! )
    _________________________________

    they should be forced to host the 2016 draft since they don’t have a pick

  62. romad21 says:
    May 22, 2015 8:49 AM

    Belichick’s not stupid. High school QB’s like their footballs a certain way.

    Kraft is not stupid either. He did the right thing.

    Patriots fans’ reaction to Kraft doing the right thing is pretty disturbing. Their warped idea of the standard of proof is comical. The “deflator” was trying to lose weight? No direct evidence? Really?

    Circumstantial evidence is evidence. If you get up in the morning and see the ground is wet, you have circumstantial evidence that it rained.

    The Patriots do not want the NFL to further scrutinize the unbelievable lack of fumbles since 2007. Those stats don’t lie.

    Funny thing – if Brady would have just told the truth, apologized and accepted his punishment, this would be over and much better for the team
    __________________________________

    Actually those stats can and are lying. Fumbles are a small sample size type of occurrence, and not fumbling is a skill, it isn’t random. And on top of it all, the study you’re looking at only looks at fumbles lost not total fumbles, which automatically bunks it.

    But anyway. If your ground is wet, you can think it rained. You wouldn’t be crazy to do so but you wouldn’t have proved it either. A fire hydrant could’ve broken or it could just be morning dew. You can’t know. You can’t say you know either, or you’d be lying. Deflategate is the same way, except it has a twist. That twist is the footballs. Without those, it doesn’t matter what the texts mean because you have nothing. The footballs support the Pats theory, and for some reason morons like you can’t realize that someone cant be “the deflator” if the balls aren’t deflated

  63. Belichick has maintained radio silence. There is no chance that he’d talk to Ron Borges. Aside from the fact that Belichick and Borges hate each other, Borges has low journalistic standards and has demonstrated the ability to just flat out lie many times before.

  64. Why would any reporter (or fan) believe anything coming out of Foxboro? The whole organization from top to bottom has been shown to be liars in the past: from owner, to coach, to QB, to ball boys. This “report” may be nothing more than additional damage control to distance Belicheat from the cheating scandal.

  65. Only issue here… if the news is coming from Ron Borges that is not a ‘report’ that is a unsubstantiated claim by a guy who has no sources in the Patriots front office who would talk to him, and a guy who is a noted plagiarizer with zero credibility.
    Doesn’t make the story impossible to be true, but it does mean that Ron Borges saying it doesn’t give the story even one ounce of credibility.

  66. Belichik knew exactly what happened shortly after it came out. Does anyone really think that he didnt talk to the equipment guys and didnt say “I want to know exactly what happened and I want to know now”. Does anyone really think they lied to the head coach. They came clean, thats why Belichik pointed the finger towards Brady, all but throwing him under the bus in that press conference. This one is on Brady, not Belichik.

  67. Seriously? You’re going to cite Ron Borges, the same guy Bill absolutely hates and refuses to talk to? The same guy that got canned from the Boston Herald for plagiarizing someone else’s work?

  68. I blame the Jets, Bills, and Dolphins for sucking so bad the last 15 years and not giving the Patriots any competition in their division. Disgraceful

  69. Ron Borges is worthless as a source, pretty sure he wrote this so he can gain a following with most of the country that dislikes the Pats because as they do is win.

  70. It’s not about the footballs or psi. It’s about Brady refusing to cooperate. Therefore, the actual content of the Wells report means nothing.

  71. I think people would be accepting of the ridiculous punishment if the league was consistent with punishing other teams. Why on earth arent the Colts being investigated for deflated balls, and why is no one investigating the refs in the Jets game that illegally over inflated the Patriots ball to 16 PSI in order to give the Jets an advantage?

  72. This claim about why Kraft did not appeal makes no sense. Both Belichick (with his Mr. Science presentation) and Kraft have fully backed Brady’s story.

    Of course what does make sense is that a deflator would be acting only according to what his team wanted. That he would be acting under only the QB’s direction and not the coach’s is hard to believe. That the coach was unaware and would disapprove that the Pats balls were softer is hard to believe when even other teams were aware of it.

  73. Theory #3 – The other owners told Kraft that keeping up a resistance was helping the union’s position.

    This is about Goodell being able to mete out arbitrary punishments, not air in footballs.

  74. No honor among thieves, huh?

    LOL

    And all you saps are “Let’s take up a collection” and “supreme court”.

    THEY ALL KNEW.

    This is institutional cheating from a serial cheating organization.

    Are you telling me when fumbles fell by virtually 50% in one off season Bill didn’t notice? Give me a break.

    THEY ALL KNEW and hoped bluster and feigned indignation would get everyone to back off but when it didn’t they started throwing people under the bus and Lady is considered the most expendable.

  75. Are you a cheater?

    I don’t believe so. -TB

    If you are innocent, you say no. You don’t use general terms so you can’t be caught in a lie.

    “It’s not a lie. If you believe it…” -George Costanza

  76. If Bellichick didn;t ebleive him, it’s because he knew something.
    He could have been suspended too. Ignorance is not an excuse. Ask Sean Payton.

  77. Wow a reporter calls the team out and he has a vendetta, how convenient of an excuse, starting to sound like Viking fans. Stop deflecting an own it *.

    As far as no cheaty looks to me Kraft admitted to it and is taking his punishment so I don’t know what alternate reality you are living in Patriots. Anyone outside boston is laughing at the team and management because of there ridiculous denials.

  78. The Deflator illegally stole the balls and went into a room, captured on video. Brady gave the Deflator the exact autographed merch he asked for in documented texts. Brady began numerous text and phone communications with Jastremski immediately after the story broke.

    The longer the spoiled brat baby Brady fights this, the more every non-Pats fan will consider him a massive liar and cheater on a par with Lance Armstrong, even if a jury gives him the OJ not guilty verdict.

    Kraft not fighting this did it for me. He knows the truth.

  79. Brady lied like a busted teenager…he should have just said the balls were the way I like them and if it was too low, ok, fine me 20g’s and let’s move on…I can throw any ball you want…It really would not have been a big deal…Brady lied, covered up, and refused to cooperate…

    Brady is to blame for this whole mess…he sullied the Patriot’s, made Kraft look like an ass, and threw two poor sob’s under the bus to cover his lies…and cost his team in the end…

  80. LOL. IF God miraculously appeared in a flash of light at a Belicheck press conference, flanked by Mohammed, Buddha, and a contingent of Hindu gods, and declared that Brady in fact had the balls deflated, Patriot fans would deny it and trash them as being haters.

  81. When an unfavorable report comes out Pats fans chalk it up to it being a garbage report from a biased out of state reporter. This guy is one of your own folks……What is your excuse today?

  82. *tom brady cheated and everyone knows it. Even coach *bill. That’s why the *patriots have yet to win one Super Bowl that isn’t decorated with a pretty *.

  83. Whether Brady knew about the ball deflation scheme or not is immaterial to me. Because to me it never rises to the level of cheating. IT IS GAMESMANSHIP. And every team and every QB does it, as Aaron Rodgers admitted when he said he played with over-inflated footballs. How is that not cheating? Rodgers is trying to pull a fast one on the refs, hoping they won’t notice his over-inflated footballs. But every QB does this, not just Rodgers and the NFL has never cared until the Patriots were involved. Then they somehow turned it into a federal crime used it to target them and to take them down because everyone hates them because they’re too good.

    Any real commissioner would have just issued the 25K fine to the Patriots and would never have let it played it in the media and no one would have heard of it. Apparently 31 other teams are allowed to ‘cheat’ or ‘practice gamesmanship’ but not the Patriots because everyone hates them. Goodell has disgraced the league with this entire affair and he must resign now. He’s more concerned about targeting the Patriots for a few PSIs of air rather than real issues that matter like domestic violence or concussions. He is an absolute joke.

  84. Ron Borges has had a career vendetta against the Patriots organization and Belichick in particular. Check his stories over the years. Why you ask? Here’s why: my sources tell me that Belichick thinks Borges is a hack who cheated on his college exams. There, I used just as much evidence as Borges did.

  85. Borges just wants to create anything of shock value. I haven’t taken him seriously for a long time. Surprised he still has a job tbh

  86. Ha, when I saw the headline I thought, “Sounds like something Borges would make up”, and it turns out it was Borges. You know, the same Ron Borges who was suspended for plagerism and making up stories. Yeah, that Ron Borges.

  87. Interesting theories, but it omits one thing and that is, if they don’t believe Brady and he knows it, why does he go forward without the backing of his coach & team?

    My theory is that he won’t go forward. Today is perfect for Brady to fold and get this thing behind him. It’s Friday and it’s Memorial Day weekend. By Tuesday, this thing will be off the front page, if he withdraws his appeal today.

    NFLPA involvement makes it more complicated, but I’m going out on a limb and saying that the Brady saga ends over this long weekend.

  88. Actually those stats can and are lying. Fumbles are a small sample size type of occurrence, and not fumbling is a skill, it isn’t random. And on top of it all, the study you’re looking at only looks at fumbles lost not total fumbles, which automatically bunks it.

    Just stop, you’re embarrassing uourself.

    Forget all the studies and look the stats up yourself.

    Pats’ fumbles were solidly in the 1 per 44.3 plays range every year from 2003-2006.

    These aren’t recovered fumbles , they’re fumbles.

    Then the rule changed.

    Pats’ fumbles immediately dropped to 1 in 82 plays in 2007 and averaged 1 in 74.5 from 2007-2014. Even the year Brady played with a broken hand saw fewer fumbles than any year from 2003-2006.

    LOOK UP THE NUMBERS FOR YOURSELF.

    Teams may improve on fumbles over time as procedures get better, etc but they don’t fall by almost 50% in one off season without deflation.

    And the idea no one noticed is BS.

    It’s institutionalized, repetitive cheating.

  89. The Boston Herald? The same paper that had to issue an apology for putting out the false story about the Pats recording the Rams practice before the SB?

  90. Brady bald faced lied to the general public, all NFL fans including Patriot fans, his coach, his owner, and each and everyone of his teammates. Great guy.

  91. “[Coach Bill] Belichick never believed [Brady’s] story, from what I was told,” Borges said.

    This is a plant quote 100% directed by Belichek. Like in his first news conference, he is very motivated to create distance between himself and this saga. And, that involves creating distance between himself and Brady.

  92. ABSOLUTE RUBBISH based on an idiots speculation. Let’s get one thing straight. The initial report was 11 balls out of 12 were all 2 psi under the minimum allowed. THAT WAS A LIE and the NFL let that fester for 4 days with the intent of CREATING controversy leading up to the Superbowl. Belichick, with that very false PSI info and no correction by the NFL thought what ANYONE in the world would have thought. I am sure that for 4 days he was thinking and probably asking “WHAT THE FRIG BRADY?” When the NFL finally responded that in fact the only ball 2 psi under had been in the possession of the Colts following the INT and the other 10 were a few clicks to up to a pound under, there was such a media and public feeding frenzy going on that everyone now had the feeling it was the Patriots and they must be cheating. Goodell now had to call in Wells and spend millions of dollars on an investigation that never should have needed to happen had the NFL come right out and come clean that 10 of the balls were a little under and that in fact could be the result of normal expected deflation. As the report clearly states that is exactly what was proven using referee Anderson’s testimony about what gauge he remembers using. Of course Wells completely disregards the referee all together and comes up with his own theory. Belichick hates the media probably even more than Marshawn Lynch so expect nothing except for “That info about not believing Tom is 100% inaccurate so get the FRIG out of here” Expect Belichick, Brady and the Patriots to turn their back on the media all season long by providing Marshawn Lynch’s Superbowl media day type answers. Also, thanks to Goodell, expect ticket prices to go up to make up for the millions spent on the Biased Wells report and time and money this ridculous scandal has caused.

  93. Anybody believe that Belicheck did not speak to Brady about the deflation issue until Thursday after the AFCCG, even though the story broke shortly after the game ended Sunday night? That’s what’s reported in the Wells report. But, it would be ridiculous to believe that’s how it happened. Much more likely that Belicheck and Brady were in close contact shortly after the story broke. If anything, the notion that these two long-time franchise cornerstones did not speak for 4 days about this topic invites further speculation about what Belicheck actually knew and when. It also gives a reason why Brady did not turn over his communications, because it would have revealed his dealings with Belicheat on the subject.

  94. It doesn’t matter one iota what a guy like Ron Borges says. He knows about as much as the rest of us do. Bill Belichick is smart enough to distance himself from any wrongdoing, even if he condones it. Nothing happens to the football that the QB isn’t directing, and nothing happens in the organization that Belichick isn’t aware of. Belichick has created a win at all cost environment where cheating is acceptable. He has perfected it like a fine art. He has a PHD in cheating. They don’t hand out PHDs to dummies, and so Belichick is smart enough to encourage cheating, while conveniently pretending to be looking the other way. I don’t know how many other coaches cheat. Maybe they all do. But I know Belichick does for sure. We all know that. You might ask why Belichick keeps getting caught, if he’s so smart. But we only know of a couple times he’s been caught. Do you really think he’s 2 for 2 cheating and getting caught? Maybe I’m giving him too much credit for being smart.

  95. Ron Borges is more biased that the Wells Report.

    Ron Borges likes nothing better than to stir up trouble for Bill Belichik.

    Belichik routinely refers someone asking a question not in his purview to the person(s) who’s purview it is.

    If Brady said the balls were perfect at 12.5 , that’s what he wanted. Perfect is perfect There ‘s no such thing as more perfect.

  96. flash1287 says:
    May 22, 2015 9:38 AM

    Are you telling me when fumbles fell by virtually 50% in one off season Bill didn’t notice?


    Still not true, little guy

    Kraft has admitted you’re serial cheaters.

    Now Beclichick admits you’re serial cheaters.

    The 50% fall in fumbles proves you’re serial cheaters.

    If my numbers are wrong, wipe your eyes, go to NFL.COM, look them up and tell us how they didn’t fall from 1 in 41 in 2006 to 1 in 82 in 2007 and how the average didn’t fall from 1 in 44 pre rule to 1 in 74 post rule.

    We’ll wait, assuming you’re done fund raising for Kraft.

    LOL

  97. Don’t doubt for a minute that Belichick knew about this as well…he’s just doing a better job fooling the lemmings in New England that he didn’t. Not much of a challenge considering some of the reasoning they’ve displayed here, but still…

  98. Brady is a liar. Brady touches his balls more than anyone on the team, constantly touching, squeezing and rubbing his balls. Don’t be fooled by the smile and charm. Brady is as corrupt as a politician. The fact he stated “I don’t want anyone rubbing my balls” shows he is a lier. And after all that, the Patriots are “Super Bowl” champs. Maybe the rest of the league’s QB’s should grab thier balls more often.
    Blame baseball, they started it…

  99. Who will Kraft side with in his bromance triangle? Bill? Tom? Stay tuned for next week! Give me a break…

  100. Dear God, we are teetering on war on multiple fronts. There’s poverty. There’s greed. And all we are worried about is Brady and his balls?

  101. If Bradys appeal fails and they take it to court then there is no privacy issues. Brady can be forced to turn over the phone or face ccontempt charges. Also while the court case is going maybe he get placed on the commissioners list and cannot play at all.

  102. Here are some interesting fumbling stats. They are 100% accurate.

    Patriots (total) fumbles under HC Belichick
    2000-2006: 1 fumble every 42 touches
    20007-2014 : 1 fumble every 74 touches

    Coincidentally, Jim McNally (“the Deflator”) was named Patriots Locker Room Attendant in 2007.

  103. The suspension and deflate gate stories are irrelevant now. The pats have been punished by the league. Their past accomplishments will be looked at with skepticism by everyone outside of New England. They still have the best coach in football and will probably be fine with Jimmy. Even Cassel won 11 games there. Anyone can do what Brady does and throw 4 yard slants, he was always a system guy.

  104. truthfactory says:
    May 22, 2015 8:40 AM
    The ideal gas theory had a major hole in it. The balls “naturally” deflateted in the first half due to “ideal gas law”. But at halftime the report says they refilled the balls to 13 PSI.

    When they re-measured the balls AFTER the game, they all maintained a PSI of 13.oo+

    Why would the balls only naturally deflate in the first half, but not in the 2nd half in the same conditions??

    ——————————

    Because the air added at halftime was done on the sidelines where it was already at the temperature at which the measurements were taken genius. The air added before the game was done indoors at a temp almost 30 degrees higher.

  105. I definitely don’t back the Patriots in Deflategate but all this is as of now is here say from a reporter.

    It’s true what he said about every single former QB not backing Brady because they all know what’s going on with the footballs. But other than that, all of this is speculation which I will say I have speculated myself.

    For now we can only go by the text messages and phone calls themselves to judge. That is unless Brady turns over his cell phone to prove his innocence. The fact he won’t and the fact the Patriots are “doing what’s best for the Patriots” by not fighting a $1M fine, losing a 1st round draft pick and a 4th round draft pick even if it’s something they supposedly didn’t do is also evidence to me. But for this guy to say Belichick didn’t believe Brady, how the heck does he know?

  106. It appears Ron Borges still hasn’t forgiven Belichick for benching Drew Bledsoe, his source of information, playing Brady instead, then trading Bledsoe to the Bills. Everything he says should be taken with a very, very large pinch of salt.

  107. This is at least the second thread in which you have referred to the ball attendants as Beavis and Butthead. That is demeaning to them ,but speaks volumes about the writer. I find it to be arrogant and condescending and more in place in a locker room or barroom conversation than in a professionally(?) written article.

  108. baltimorons says:
    *tom brady cheated and everyone knows it. Even coach *bill. That’s why the *patriots have yet to win one Super Bowl that isn’t decorated with a pretty *.

    ————

    Fact: The rule about camera placement did not exist prior to 2004. So tell me why there is even a hint of “*” as you say.

  109. Good reading by a reporter named Sally Jenkins of the Washington Post…. Check it out on ESPN Boston!!!
    So true!!!!!
    Brady is gonna destroy this if it goes to court
    Goodell doesn’t want that to happen so Brady will get full exoneration!!
    Brady will be under center game 1 BOOK IT!!
    & the truth shall set you free!!!

  110. Great.

    Now you go to a plagiarist with a history of talking crap about Belichick to tell us what he heard and to lie about no other QBs backing Brady. Every QB that played with him backed him. Farve backed him.

    Let me ask you, if the Tilman family was heroic, and they were, in outing our military for lying about Pat’s death, why hasn’t anyone broke ranks and talked about the NFL’s endless lies in the sham deflate gate investigation. Institutions lie and cover up.

    Tell the truth and stop making things up.

  111. Could be worse Brady…you could have gotten slammed by the NFL as the Saints did. I think the culture that exists in that organization has run its course.

  112. Here’s what I don’t get- we have text messages, a”Deflator” self-reference, and a video showing the ball boy slipping into the bathroom with the balls on the way to the field. BUT, the scientific evidence- when the Ideal Gas Law, Walt Anderson’s usage of the “logo” gauge as he remembers, the Colts balls being measured after the Patriots balls, etc., are factored in- indicate the Patriots most likely did not tamper with the footballs.

    It doesn’t add up, unless McNally’s role wasn’t what we all assume it was. My theory is he was, in fact, the “Deflator”, but he may not have deflated every ball in every game. What if his job was to check each ball on the way to the field and only deflate if it felt like the officials had pumped extra air into it? It could be that in the AFC champ game none of the balls felt over-inflated, so no air was taken out. It’s still a violation of league rules- but rather than trying to gain a competitive advantage the Patriots were just concerned with keeping the footballs at Brady’s preferred 12.5 psi.

    It’s also an open question as to whether Brady knew about it. He may not have. His order to Jastremski may have been something like “whatever you do, just make sure these balls get to the field the way I like them” and left it at that.

    Unless I’m missing something this theory is consistent with the available evidence. I’m surprised no one is floating it as a possiblity.

  113. Only the most delusional of Patriot fans believe Brady. It’s pretty obvious from the way Kraft rolled over that there was more evidence. Evidence the NFL didn’t want to make public.

    #LegacyofCheating

    #suspensionupheld

  114. flash1287 says:
    May 22, 2015 9:38 AM

    Are you telling me when fumbles fell by virtually 50% in one off season Bill didn’t notice?


    Still not true, little guy

    Hey flash1287, have you ever been to a Patriots training camp or practices open to the public. I have been to many as a season ticket holder prior to moving to Panama. Belichick does everything including K-Y Jelly, Vaseline, waterlogging etc., to make the balls 10x worse than they ever would be in game conditions. Also ask Stephen Ridley what happened when he put the ball on the ground when he played for the Patriots (even if the Patriots recovered it or the fumble was nullified because of a defensive penalty) HE GOT BENCHED and dropped to the bottom of the depth chart. Belichick is an absolute nut when it comes to fumbles and they spend hours each week on ball security. It has absolutely nothing to do with deflated footballs you troll. Also when a player fumbles in practice and the Offense does not at least recover the ball…OMG!!!

  115. How do we even know what Brady told BB? But given they’re coming off the Hernandez deal if Brady did flat-out lie to them I can understand them being more than a little upset.

  116. “They know nothing’s done with those balls that the quarterback doesn’t want done.”

    Borges may be as big of a hack as Pats fans say. But we all know this particular statement is 100% true.

    We’ve seen his histrionics when WRs screw up. I can only imagine the verbal beat-down he’d deliver if the footballs were not exactly the way he wants them.

  117. truthfactory says:
    May 22, 2015 8:40 AM

    The ideal gas theory had a major hole in it. The balls “naturally” deflateted in the first half due to “ideal gas law”. But at halftime the report says they refilled the balls to 13 PSI.

    When they re-measured the balls AFTER the game, they all maintained a PSI of 13.oo+
    ____________________________

    Doesn’t the “+” sort of fill your hole? If they filled them all to 13, by your theory they should’ve stayed at 13. But you answer your own question with 13+. If all about the timing between going from cold to warm.

  118. This is all you need to know about Borges (other than he despises the Patriots):

    On March 5, 2007, Borges was suspended for plagiarism by the Globe, without pay, and barred from broadcast appearances for two months.

    He no longer works at the Globe.

    Not sure what his problem is with the Patriots. He has some ax to grind. Has for many years.

  119. Watching this travesty . . . .

    It does make the great super bowl win all that more enjoyable. Go back and look at Goodell’s face when Kraft was handed the Lombardi and Brady the Super Bowl MVP, both earned on the field of play.

  120. Question for Pats haters:

    If the Falcons were accused of deflating footballs and the Patriots were accused of piping in crowd noise, would you all still be screaming about PSI?

    I doubt it. If that were the case, piping in crowd noise would have been the worst possible example of cheating in the history of the NFL. All the home games they won would be in question, their legacy would be tarnished….

    But as it was the Falcons who really did this, no one seems to care.

  121. Since Bill does not even come close to breaking rules because of spygate, I think he was pissed that Brady would inflate to the bare minimum.If he did 12.7 psi nobody is talking and there is no deflategate.

  122. I was going to add to the Borges condemnation, but I think everyone here realizes that he is represented by the football in Doug Baldwin’s TD celebration.

  123. Report: Belichick never believed Brady on deflation issue.
    ****************************************

    Report: The entire country (aside from the New England area) never believed Brady on the deflation issue.

  124. I am starting to believe Kraft is protecting Belichick.

    Kraft realizes Brady will be done in 2 years. The oldest QB to win a Super Bowl was 38. Owners are known to mistreat older QBs (Montana, Manning etc..) and by not appealing, Kraft gets to see how good his back-up QB is.
    May result in Brady wanting to leave the Patriots, he can now opt-out of his contract and get a bigger paycheck with another team if he acts soon.

    May actually work out better for Brady. He could be the first QB to win a Super Bowl for two franchises.

  125. Belichick never gave Brady the 100% vote of confidence. He knew if there was shenanigans going on with air pressure Brady was the ringleader and kind of threw him under the bus in the press conference. He hoped lack of direct evidence and plausible deniability would save them draft picks but it didn’t because of spygate. Another asterisk for the Pats.

  126. Borges…

    Anyone believing he has an inside track on anything related to the Patriots is an utter fool.

    Just like Borges, lol.

  127. ROFL! Ron Borges.. oh man!

    The same idiot that sucker punched a 60yr. old reporter (back in 2004) that used a cane and had to wear a constant neckbrace due to his disability? That Ron Borges?! Yea, he’s straight class.

  128. Rolf, we probably would be screaming about PSI if it were the falcons but, 2 things come to mind: As much as I hate the falcons, they haven’t set a trend for cheating as the patriots have AND, they didn’t just win the super bowl. As a Saints fan, it is a tragedy to see how easy the Patriots got off and how hard the Saints were slammed. All the while, keeping in mind that unlike bountygate, deflategate is riddled with evidence!

  129. raidernation210 says:
    May 22, 2015 8:35 AM

    The best thing is this shuts up all of these frontrunning patriots fans. I couldn’t be happier
    __

    You must have sadz, because no one is shutting up.

  130. For those who live outside of New England who might be wondering – yes, Borges IS as bad as everyone here is saying.

    He hates the Patriots and has had a personal vendetta against Belichick for years. He’s also been caught plagiarizing stories.

    In other words, he has ZERO credibility.

  131. Why hasn’t the spoiled brat baby Brady not held a presser to stauchly proclaim his innocence?

    Because he is not innocent and wants to protect the ever slimming chance to get into the HOF. Someday money will talk and the truth will come out on his involvement with this and he cannot afford to be the next Lance Armstrong if he wants to get into the HOF. Mark my words.

  132. Pats fans just can’t handle the truth! They’re dilusional and just pathetic! Your team is and will always be viewed as cheaters so come to terms with it Cheater nation!

  133. Ron Borges and/or Michael Felger –

    Both these clowns spew out vomit when either opens their mouth and tries… emphasize on “try”… to report on anything. They smear, slander, misrepresent, invent & fabricate their own stories.

    They both should just GO AWAY – find the back of a milk carton

  134. If Borges says something, count on it being wrong – especially if he cites some unnamed “source”

    Kindof like Mortenson from ESPN

    Speaking of which, when is Wells or Goodell going to divulge who in the NFL front office was leaking false information to make the Patriots look bad – which the Wells report at the very least has confirmed was un-true

    THAT is the bigger issue regarding the integrity of the game – the fact that there are biased individuals inside the NFL Offices who will leak blatantly false information to discredit certain teams in the NFL

  135. Everything has an explanation if you’re a Pats’ fan…

    -The deflated balls were due to faulty gauges…
    -Taking the balls illegally into the bathroom was to use the urinal that didn’t exist.
    -The ball boy demanding and getting signed memorabilia from Brady was because Brady’s so nice.
    -Ballboy calling himself deflator was a weight loss deal.
    – NFL going after Pats was out of reckless disregard of the league and out of spite, with no basis.
    – Kraft folding was out of reckless disregard of the Pats and to save the league, with no basis.
    – Belichick saying Brady’s guilty is a misquote.
    – Brady not cooperating because he’s so innocent he doesn’t need to.
    – The dramatic drop in fumbles in one off season was due to coaching, or players, or that they stopped running, or that no stats can be trusted.
    – The ballboy texts were out of context or joking around.

    Everyone else’s explanation.

    -The deflated balls were due to the Pats purposely deflating them…
    -Taking the balls illegally into the bathroom was to purposely deflate the balls.
    -The ball boy demanding and getting signed memorabilia from Brady was because Brady was paying him off for purposely deflating the balls.
    -Ballboy calling himself deflator was because he purposely deflated the balls.
    – NFL going after Pats was to protect the shield because the Pats purposely deflated the balls.
    – Kraft folding was to protect the Pats against further damage because he knew they were caught purposely deflating balls.
    – Belichick saying Brady’s guilty is because he knows the balls were deflated and wants to make sure he’s not caught.
    – Brady not cooperating because he was guilty of ordering balls purposely deflated.
    – The dramatic drop in fumbles in one off season was due to the fact purposely deflated balls are easier to hold on to.
    – The ballboy texts referred to an ongoing scheme of purposely deflating balls.

    One set of arguments seems more coherent.

  136. I don’t really care because it did not affect the out come of the game. But since this is such a big stink

    3 out of 4 of the Colts balls were under the limit………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

    Why do they get a pass???

  137. One point no one has brought up that supports Belichek. At his initial press conference he threw Brady under the bus. Further he explained how in practice he made it difficult conditions by making the practice balls difficult to throw (ie making them wet, etc…) . Re read the pc. It’s obvious Belichek tried to break Brady’s comfort level on wanting perfect balls. It’s something a smart coach would do knowing a perceived weakness his QB had.

    Belichek may have known, but he wanted no part of another scandal. Thus throwing Brady under the bus. Do you not believe Kraft and Belichek didn’t have a sit down to discuss what was going on?

    All the other posturing by Kraft was a smoke screen to create doubt. Funny thing is the fine folks in NE believe it.

  138. If anyone knows anything about cheating, it’s Belichick. So if he thinks Brady is guilty, then I’m surprised we’re even hearing even a peep out of Boston today. Some day Pats fans will come out of denial and face the facts: The Patriots are Two-Time World Cheaters and Brady will go down with the all-time greats like Barry Bonds and Lance Armstrong.

  139. janmfarley says: Where does it say they were told to deflate below 12.5? Answer: nowhere.
    ———————————————–

    According to the private texts between “Bevis and Butthead” they specifically discussed Brady’s preferred PSI as being 13.0

    This comes from texts months before former Jets President Mike Kensil’s sting operation to set up the Patriots

    The job of “the deflator” was to fully deflate and then re-inflate the balls to 13.0 PSI – right in the middle of the allowance (not over as Aaron Rodgers admitted he prefers) – that fact was disregarded and the media simply focused on the additional reason he had that moniker – his weight loss

    Both McNally and Jastremski noted that when the officials took responsibility for the balls, they were known to cheat (specifically in games where the Jets played the Patriots) inflating Brady’s footballs to 16 PSI – a whopping 3 PSI over

    Yet the haters and media continue to ignore officials cheating and stealing footballs for personal profit, and instead of decrying 3.0 OVER inflation by the OFFICIALS they are focused on 0.3 PSI of under-inflation easily explained by the Laws of Physics IF Wells accepts the “best recollection” of the Officials – as he refuses to do, because that gets in the way of his pre-determined conclusions

    These are the facts – all of which appear in the Wells Report

  140. So much has been read into when Belichick said to check with Brady. It was pretty straightforward. Belichick had nothing to do with the balls whereas Brady did. So go to the guy who has more knowledge about the footballs. Doesn’t that make sense in any situation whether there was any wrongdoing or not?

    And so far there’s been no real evidence that Belichick didn’t believe him. Just a sports writer saying “I was told”.

    And the reason Belichick is not talking about this now is that he has nothing to add to it and has a job to do. People have already made up their minds and there’s nothing he can do to change it.

  141. SAV says:
    May 22, 2015 9:22 AM

    I blame the Jets, Bills, and Dolphins for sucking so bad the last 15 years and not giving the Patriots any competition in their division. Disgraceful
    ———————————————
    I blame their pathetic existence the 15 years prior to that. The doormat Pats of the NFL, not just the AFCE. That history is what prompted this current franchise to take the practice of cheating to the art form it is to them right now. Now thats disgraceful!

  142. Fact: Borges was forced to resign from the Boston Globe due to plagiarism.
    Fact: Borges slapped an old disabled man at a boxing press conference a few years ago.
    Fact: Borges turned on all things Patriot when they traded Bledsoe to the Bills.
    Fact: Borges is the most biased reporter in the Boston market.

  143. itsfootballbaby says:
    May 22, 2015 10:53 AM

    What’s a maroon?
    ____
    Its one of the teams the storied Green Bay Packers had to beat to win some of their 13 championships.

  144. Ok, let me start by saying im am huge Boston sports fan. So am I a little bias? Sure! But I think anyone with common sense can take themselves out of being a fan of any team for a second to understand what I’m about to talk about.

    Lets take a step back for a second. Has Tom Brady done anything in the past to be labeled a cheat? Spy gate? Not him! So what else? I cant stand Felger or Maz. But one thing Felger said the other day makes sense and defines how stupid all this is. He said….if Brady had just said “yeah I told the guys i want the balls on the low end” that end stops all this at the beginning. But he was asked if he cheated. Telling the knucklehead he wanted the balls at a low end doesnt automatically mean “hey guys, after the refs check the balls, take some air out!” Why is it that everyone thinks a guy that has never done anything before did that? Maybe because you have the league not stopping false facts from coming out. Maybe because our own sports radio people automatically make claims he is guilty? Who knows! But really ask yourself why he isnt getting the benefit of the doubt. Cause not turning over a phone doesnt equal guilt. Secondly everyone (like Revis) is like yeah theyre cheaters. Look at spygate and “this n that” …. everyone says “this n that” …. Whats this n that???

    Im so tired of hearing about a psi missing in a football. Its crazy how people can think that the weight of a dollar bill negates 4 championships! Specially when not a soul will step up and say.. “this is the advantage it gave him….”

    Furthermore, can we just end this please. I actually feel like ive lost a piece of myself by writing this because we should all be ashamed that as a country we have let less than a PSI consume our lives. Lets get on to real sports topics! Cause this isnt one!

    People like Borgus sound so stupid making conclusions based on nothing! Thats how this all started in the first place! Did Brady leave out stuff/lie? Maybe! But c’mon! Air in a football equals his lifetime achievement? And theyre iirrelevant now? Craziness!!

  145. billsbackto81 says:
    May 22, 2015 11:11 AM

    SAV says:
    May 22, 2015 9:22 AM

    I blame the Jets, Bills, and Dolphins for sucking so bad the last 15 years and not giving the Patriots any competition in their division. Disgraceful
    ———————————————
    I blame their pathetic existence the 15 years prior to that. The doormat Pats of the NFL, not just the AFCE. That history is what prompted this current franchise to take the practice of cheating to the art form it is to them right now. Now thats disgraceful!
    ____
    Man, the Pats went to the SB in the 80’s and the 90’s. The only time the Bills were any good in the last 50 years was that 4 year run.

  146. interesting part about the Wells report reference to the 16PSI of the balls in the Jets game, they never researched why these balls would be so high. While one could assume the officials inflated them but didn’t then deflate them back to within spec…..another possibility could have been that Jets’ ball attendants could have inflated them after the officials had tested them.

    But nobody wants to talk about or research these things…..or….speculate (which seems to be the M.O. of the Wells report) as to why they were at 16 PSI.

    Another point where….if it isn’t evidence against the Patriots, it isn’t important.

  147. These idiotic fumble claims are disproven by the numerous Patriot players that went to other teams and fumbled about the same frequency or less!

  148. If you don’t want the cops to pull you over, give you a ticket, have your violation in the paper to be scutinized by haters then don’t break the law … hint, hint… Cheating*

  149. Let’s all point and laugh at Patriots fans who, predictably, have come in droves to shoot the messenger when the message is something they don’t want to hear. But a journalist automatically has “credibility” if the message is something they DO want to hear. Love how that works.

    Any avid football fan even a sliver of objectivity knows that no lowly equipment guy is going to mess with Brady’s footballs without his knowledge…..which, naturally, excludes Patriots fans. And we all know that if Brady had nothing to hide he’d have turned over his relevant phone data to clear his name in the court of public opinion. But we all know at this point that Brady is a proven liar with his statements that he didn’t know McNally, and that it’s more than reasonable and logical to assume to he further lied to the media and public in all of his pre-SB press statements.

  150. Lots and lots of head in the sand and fingers in the ear denials and shooting of the messengers in this thread. The best part is those calling Borges a liar for his story and then offering up their own conspiracy theories of what they THINK happened.

  151. Let’s forget what everybody in Boston knows Borges has had a hate agenda against Coach Belichick and the Patriots for years. Might be important to mention that in the story.

  152. I think Patriots decided not to appeal because they might have been afraid that spygate and other past things would be brought up again.Yeah they might have won the appeal but lost in other ways.As for Tom Brady my guess is he’ll still be suspended for the beginning of next season but maybe just for 2 games instead of 4.Plus i don’t think the Patriots wants Tom Brady to take this court because then people could be forced to testify and Belichick may not want to be asked under oath if he thinks Tom Brady was involved in deflating the balls.

  153. stixzidinia says: May 22, 2015 11:29 AM

    Let’s all point and laugh at Patriots fans who, predictably, have come in droves to shoot the messenger when the message is something they don’t want to hear. But a journalist automatically has “credibility” if the message is something they DO want to hear. Love how that works.

    ————————————————–

    Obviously you know nothing about Borges!

  154. The whining continues….

    The Falcons cooperated with the investigation and took their punishment. Since no players were involved, no suspensions. Get it?

    Also, a thinner football is easier to grip, especially in poor weather conditions. This gave the Patriots an advantage. It doesn’t matter that it was only a “little bit” of air, cheating is cheating.

    Not to mention Brady’s flurry of phone calls and texts to a guy he “didn’t know”

    #repeatoffenders

    #freebradyfor4games

  155. Mike… I was curious… will you & your staff look into the possibility that if Brady takes the LEAGUE to court, could he also incorporate the 2 draft pick sanctions ( not the Million dollar fine) into his suit…based on him winning in the courts under the stipulation that losing those picks has an INDIRECT effect on his livelihood as to being able to perform his job to the fullest & best of his ability for which he was drafted??

    I think this would be an extremely interesting topic to look into on your part as it pertains to legality issues…HELP PLEASE!!!!!

  156. It’s funny listening to delusional pat fans talking about the reporters credibility when their time has been caught cheating 2x. Like they anyone that is credible.

  157. Bill Belichick is disgusted by Brady’s cheating. He cannot believe amateurish cheating and would attempt on his own without consulting the grandmaster.

  158. Boy Bill’s next press conference will be interesting. Defending SB champ coach and very little of conversation will be about SB,Malcolm Butlers great play,etc. Everyone will want to talk about this and Brady in street clothes for the opener. Bill has to be squirming.

  159. boisestatewhodat says:
    May 22, 2015 10:38 AM

    Rolf, we probably would be screaming about PSI if it were the falcons but, 2 things come to mind: As much as I hate the falcons, they haven’t set a trend for cheating as the patriots have AND, they didn’t just win the super bowl. As a Saints fan, it is a tragedy to see how easy the Patriots got off and how hard the Saints were slammed. All the while, keeping in mind that unlike bountygate, deflategate is riddled with evidence!
    ——————————————————-
    Riddled? Nice try homer. Brady if guilty,(under appeal), let out the amount of air equal to a fart. Saints players were paying each other to hurt opponents, Goodell said so backed by his personal hit man Ted Wells.. Now don’t go getting your panties in a bunch just yet. I am not naïve enough to believe the Saints were the only organization guilty of setting bounties as I am equally convinced that Brady was/isn’t the only QB setting game balls to his personal preference. The faux rage by the morals police is laughable. Just read any article on PFT about any other team being caught rule breaking and that teams fan base will come to it’s defense. Case in Point, the Ray Rice charges being dropped. Raven fans who have been pummeling the Patriots were lining up in droves backing a former player the way they backed a certain linebacker. Meanwhile rival team fans were relishing another chance to poke Raven fans in the eye one more time. Perhaps that’s the “fun” in being a fanatic.

  160. Some more facts.

    Belichick doesn’t squirm.

    There is no evidence against Brady, just conjecture.

    Pat Tilman’s mother, Mary Tilman, did not stop pushing fro the truth about her son’s death until the US military came clean.

    Bob Kraft is not Mary Tilman; or are any of the 32 NFL owners; nor is Roger Goodell.

  161. If Shady didn’t do anything wrong he wouldn’t have had to call that meeting with all the patriot players to tell them he “likes his balls a certain way”

    He wouldn’t have looked like Baghdad Bob at his press conference

    He would have handed over all texts and emails to Wells.

    SHADY’S GUILTY AS SIN, now go back to unicorn land deflatriot fans, McNally is there hanging out with Jenny Craig.

  162. So lets get this right. You guys are saying that guilt and innocence do NOT matter, and that whenever the league points at you and says, “YOU DID IT”, that every team, owner, and fanbase is just suppose to accept it. I can understand that if the team is proven guilty. But why won’t you Pats haters even entertain the evidence brought before you. No one’s asking you to believe the deflator comment is about losing weight. But what about the footballs and their pressure, what about McNally walking past a dozen informed league execs on his way to the bathroom, what about Wells ignoring NE’s testimony and communications. Even the most biased person must realize that the hard evidence of the footballs supersedes any and all assumptions about the meaning of these texts. I mean really, why would this guy be talking about deflating footballs in May. In terms of text language, that makes no sense.

  163. Probably time for Pats fans to come to grips with the eventual truth…your QB has abandoned you & your team! Sure, there is “hope” that some fantastic evidence will come to light that will clear Brady’s name….but be realistic. The only evidence that may hold the truth is Brady’s cell phone…and he’s not willing to share that….not for you, not for two Patriots employee’s career, not for his team or their $1M fine or their 1st & 4th round draft picks. He could have easily said “are you kidding me, here’s the cell phone NFL…now apologize & give back the draft picks”, but he hasn’t. His silence is telling.

  164. You know, if you’re gonna hate on a guy relentlessly at least take the 3 seconds it takes to learn how to spell his name correctly. It’s not like it hasn’t been printed OVER and OVER and OVER!
    Bill Belichick! B. E.L.I.C.H.I.C.K.!!!! Phew, got that off my chest. Carry on.

  165. moosey7195 says:
    May 22, 2015 12:55 PM

    So lets get this right. You guys are saying that guilt and innocence do NOT matter, and that whenever the league points at you and says, “YOU DID IT”, that every team, owner, and fanbase is just suppose to accept it. I can understand that if the team is proven guilty. But why won’t you Pats haters even entertain the evidence brought before you. No one’s asking you to believe the deflator comment is about losing weight. But what about the footballs and their pressure, what about McNally walking past a dozen informed league execs on his way to the bathroom, what about Wells ignoring NE’s testimony and communications. Even the most biased person must realize that the hard evidence of the footballs supersedes any and all assumptions about the meaning of these texts. I mean really, why would this guy be talking about deflating footballs in May. In terms of text language, that makes no sense.

    ——-

    there’s one problem with your argument: and that is the NFL executive offices are full of Patriot haters too. That is the whole basis of this misguided adventure; that is why the NFL leaked bad information and never corrected it in a timely manner; that is why they allow judgment to be passed on a report that has circular logic and makes assumptions based on other assumptions that are based on other assumptions.

    Patriots haters and NFL executives are one and the same. as far as we know, the bozo that posts using the screen name ‘realitycheckbaby’ could be Mike Kensil.

    In the end, the only reason this issue matters to NFL executives and the haters is because it involves the Patriots. Period.

  166. “In the end, the only reason this issue matters to NFL executives and the haters is because it involves the Patriots. Period.”
    —————
    It’s cute that Patriots fans are always blaming some witch hunt and “everyone’s against us because we are the Patriots” mantra. Pretty stupid.

    It has nothing to do with the Patriots and everything to do with their institutional CHEATING! If it was the first time, you would have some sympathy.

  167. Since when did Borges become a reliable source for inside info on BB….or Pats period.

  168. boisestatewhodat, Looking back I do agree that the Saints were overpunished for BountyGate, especially Sean Payton.

    At the time it seemed excessive but as it was not my team I didn’t pay much attention as I assumed the NFL must know what they are doing. I now have a much different perspective and what happened to you guys was also a travesty. I have zero trust that the NFL can handle these types of situations fairly.

    Protecting the shield really means protecting the incompetency of the NFL front office.

  169. gimmeabruschi says:
    May 22, 2015 11:21 AM

    These idiotic fumble claims are disproven by the numerous Patriot players that went to other teams and fumbled about the same frequency or less!

    Factually not true.

    Pats fans are funny.

    The one thing you keep wanting to throw out are the facts, wanting to instead twist some fantasy of the facts to help bolster your case.

    YOUR OWNER HAS ADMITTED YOU’RE SERIAL CHEATERS.

    YOUR CHEATING COACH NOW COMES OUT AND SAYS YOUR QB IS A CHEATER.

    YOUR TEAM HAS NEVER WON ANYTHING WITHOUT CHEATING.

    You are the Lance Armstrong of the NFL.

  170. Why is that guys with monikers that tell us they are as smart as Einstein or have a high IQ are usually the biggest buffoons?

  171. Ur citin RON BORGES? Bahahhahahahah this guy has 0 credibility, hes already lost his job once for plagiarism. Seriously this guy is as believable as brian williams

  172. “The one thing you keep wanting to throw out are the facts, wanting to instead twist some fantasy of the facts to help bolster your case.”

    I assume you Patriot Haters took the time to read the Wells Report. I hear a lot of talk about “the facts” – can anyone tell me the facts that prove Brady is guilty of anything?

  173. rolf1015 says:
    May 22, 2015 3:56 PM

    I assume you Patriot Haters took the time to read the Wells Report

    ———-

    you’re going WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY out on a limb there

  174. Is Brady guilty? Guilty… what a word.

    Read the Wells report. The refs OVERinflated the footballs for that Jets game earlier in the year. Tom was irate. He doesn’t want OVERinflated footballs. (2 psi above regulation)

    So he wants to ensure the refs don’t do it again.

    Does he like his footballs below regulation? Clearly not. Look what he did in 2nd half of AFC game and SUper Bowl.

    If the league had a process in place to ensure proper inflation none of this would have happened.

    In other words, what recourse does any QB have to combat ref incompetence with balls before the game even starts?

  175. All you Brady fan boys better hope the back up QB falls flat on his face. If not any wedge that is there now will only grow bigger between BB/TB.

  176. “Borges is a discredited hack who was previously fired from one Boston media outlet for plagiarism.”
    ===============================
    I omitted from my 1st comment that Mike Florio is very well aware of Borges’ plagiarism. Through the ESPN football message board it was learned from a Seattle poster that an article of Borges was extremely similar to that of an article in a Seattle paper. He included a link and it was forwarded to Mike. The poop hit the fan the next day.

  177. Very true, we “Brady fan boys” are all hoping JG “falls flat on his face”.

    This dialogue would be painful if the Pats ended up with Brady v2.0 and continued winning Super Bowls for another decade.

  178. Borges is such a hack. He’s spent the past 20 years trashing the Pats and trying to cause internal drama because he’s bitter that it’s not like the pre-Kraft old boys’ club. He got to yuck it up with the players and they would give him scoops and all was well and dandy. Sure, we won 2-5 games every year, but hey, they were having fun!

    Then Belichick came in and started running the place like a military research facility and then the last straw came when they traded his buddy and locker-room source, Bledsoe. And apparently this made Borges very mad that he would actually have to work for his job (or not, based on the plagiarism and “reports” based not even from sources, but from something he “was told”.)

  179. When you say that “the text messages point vaguely to misconduct”, did you even bother reading the text messages? I did, and it’s not “vague”, they DETAIL misconduct.

  180. The text meessages certainly don’t detail misconduct. They don’t even _mention_ misconduct, except for when McNally jokingly refers to over-inflating footballs to piss off Brady.

    Calling your bluff. Cite some of these DETAILS you speak of.

    And remember, simply talking about inflating or deflating footballs isn’t misconduct. One of the guys is the football preparer. His job involves deflating and inflating footballs every day. “Misconduct” means tampering with the balls _after they have gone to the refs_.

    Oh, btw, the balls on game day were not suspiciously low. At least not except to people who think 11.5 psi is evidence of cheating. Because they don’t know physics.

    You know, people like Ryan Grigson, Mike Kensil, and Troy Vincent.

  181. Every once in a while, we see speculation like these from people who don’t understand Bill Belichick at all.

    The idea that Borges would have a source who knew how Belichick thinks is fairly small. His source is probably Dan Shaughnessy.

  182. ‘YOUR OWNER HAS ADMITTED YOU’RE SERIAL CHEATERS.

    YOUR CHEATING COACH NOW COMES OUT AND SAYS YOUR QB IS A CHEATER.

    YOUR TEAM HAS NEVER WON ANYTHING WITHOUT CHEATING.’

    You, sir, are an idiot.

    Your quotes above show a seriously impaired ability to think.

    Thinking that Super Bowls from 2001-2004 were tainted because Belichick ignored a flawed memo written in 2006 is seriously weak logic.
    And Belichick didn’t “SAY” any such thing, as any person who knows how to read would already understand.

    This is almost as comical as having Super Bowl 39 lower Troy Vincent as the one assigned to hand out the Pats’ punishment.

  183. It shouldn’t be too hard to dig through archives of Boston papers from last September and October from writers saying exactly the same things: that Belichick didn’t like Brady and more, that putting Garoppolo in during the Chiefs game was a sign that Belichick was going to bench Brady.

    Sadly Boston sportswriting isn’t what it once used to be.

    Belichick doesn’t leak. He never reveals his thoughts to the media. “Sources” never know what he’s going to do next.

    He’s the opposite of Goodell, a man who cannot make a decision without leaking it first in order to see if it will be derided by the public.

  184. These were the same people who after the KC game last year were floating ideas that BB was setting up TB to fail so that they can move on from him to Jimmy G.

  185. “The ideal gas theory had a major hole in it. The balls “naturally” deflateted in the first half due to “ideal gas law”. But at halftime the report says they refilled the balls to 13 PSI.

    When they re-measured the balls AFTER the game, they all maintained a PSI of 13.oo+

    Why would the balls only naturally deflate in the first half, but not in the 2nd half in the same conditions?? Besides that, they still had 3 balls that measured below even the maximum ranges of the effects of the “ideal gas law”.’

    There is no such thing as the maximum ranges of the ‘ideal gas law’.

    All of the pressures after the game were higher than they were at halftime. The reason is fairly simple: there was more air in the balls. If they increased in pressure during the second half, what does that tell us? By your argument, that means that the gas law isn’t true, since this example disproves the gas law. That’s rather ambitious thinking, since this particular law was discovered over 300 years ago.

    No, what happened is this: the balls had low air pressure when measured at halftime because the air was cold. And then they inflated them. At that point they had more air in them than they did before the game started. So no, they would not deflate to the same levels as they had been at before the game started.

    If you see higher pressures in the Pats’ balls in the post-game measurements than 13.0, that’s because the balls were warmer at that point.

    Look, a lot of people seem to want to play gotcha with the gas laws. It’s a waste of time. What you really need to do is look at a process that was far less precise than the Wells report claims it was. Gauges were being passed back and force, no pressures were recorded until halftime, apparently there was at least one data entry mistake, and at no point at all were the air temperatures tracked.

    This was all an entirely flawed process. Trying to get actual gold out of a pan of fool’s gold is a fool’s errand. But that’s what the NFL did here, since they refused to admit that they had made a mistake on 1/18/2015.

    Since then it’s been no turning back for Kensil, Vincent, and the rest of that group. Do they know that the case is weak? Of course they do, that’s why they’ve used such underhanded methods to push the story.

  186. Here’s the difference between Pats’ fantasy fans and the rest of us.

    Their posts, like their manifesto, require volumes to attempt to explain away, one by one, all the damning evidence.

    The rest of us can explain it all very succinctly…

    You purposely deflated balls.

    That, by the way, makes you cheaters AGAIN.

  187. Poor Pats fans get lost in all the details. Kraft, Belichek and Brady all know they are guilty. They have been cheating this way for YEARS. The longer it drags out the worse it looks. Brady will only get his suspension reduced if he turns over the phone AND there is nothing in it to implicate him.
    But clearly the Deflator wanted to get paid with some “nice pigskins” from Tom so this whole mess is a done deal.
    The Pats now have a legacy of cheating which diminishes everything they have done and leaves a permanent stain on the franchise.
    The legitimate question can be asked..”have they ever won anything without cheating”? My guess is NO. They are a disgrace to the NFL.

  188. Belichick never backed brady once..in his 1st press conference he basically threw brady under the bus

    “Ask Tom”

    Belichick is stone-cold & i believed him

  189. Now I have heard it all. Ron Borges being deemed a credible “source” for information on the Pats and Belichick. You might as well have just come and asked ME about this….ROFLMAO…..

  190. “Funny thing – if Brady would have just told the truth, apologized and accepted his punishment, this would be over and much better for the team.”

    Pats fan or no, is anyone else tired of the “Just admit you are a witch and we will let you go” argument? Somehow people suggest that if you admit you cheated, regardless of whether it is true, they will see it as a sign of integrity. Some twisted moral reasoning, that. There is a moral lesson to be learned by the Salem witch trials. Innocent until proven guilty.

  191. Wells “investigates” and clumsily and obviously fits “evidence” into a predetermined outcome.

    Borges just says he “heard” something.

    Choose your method of being lied to. Do you pick 1. The guy who uses verbal gymnastics and sophistry or 2. The obvious guy who lies to your face without any pretense that he isn’t lying.

  192. To all the knuckle draggers out there claiming Kraft admitted it, what part of this statement from Kraft don’t you understand?

    “But the one thing that we all can agree upon is the entire process has taken way too long. And I don’t think anyone can believe that after four months of the AFC Championship Game, we are still talking about air pressure and the PSI in footballs. I think I made it clear when the report came out that I didn’t think it was fair. There was no hard evidence, and everything was circumstantial. And at the same time, when the discipline came out, I felt it was way over the top. It was unreasonable and unprecedented, in my opinion.”

  193. imodan says:
    May 26, 2015 11:37 AM
    To all the knuckle draggers out there claiming Kraft admitted it, what part of this statement from Kraft don’t you understand?

    “But the one thing that we all can agree upon is the entire process has taken way too long. And I don’t think anyone can believe that after four months of the AFC Championship Game, we are still talking about air pressure and the PSI in footballs. I think I made it clear when the report came out that I didn’t think it was fair. There was no hard evidence, and everything was circumstantial. And at the same time, when the discipline came out, I felt it was way over the top. It was unreasonable and unprecedented, in my opinion.”

    ****

    The part where he accepted the punishments for something he supposedly didn’t do….. clown

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