Goodell’s quest for “new information” makes for confusing Brady appeal

AP

Apart from the question of whether Commissioner Roger Goodell possesses sufficient independence to ever serve as the arbitrator in cases involving NFL teams and NFL players is the question of whether he possesses the basic competence to do so.

Unlike some of his predecessors, Goodell isn’t a lawyer. And an arbitration definitely is a legal proceeding.

The first question for any legal proceeding is determining the legal standard to apply. In an appeal, sometimes the entire process starts over again from scratch (the Latin-loving lawyers call that “de novo” review). Most appeals apply deference to significant portions of the work that was done by a lower tribunal.

When former federal judge Barbara Jones overturned the indefinite suspension of former Ravens running back Ray Rice last year, she used the “abuse of discretion” standard, which gives (Captain Obvious alert) a range of discretion to the person who made the initial decision. The hearing officer on appeal may have reached a different decision if handling the case from scratch, but if the person who made the initial decision exercised discretion properly, the decision should be upheld.

Rice’s case arose under the Personal Conduct Policy. The suspension of Patriots quarterback Tom Brady flows from Article 46 of the labor deal, which gives the Commissioner full power over matters regarding the integrity of the game. The standard for Brady’s case is believed to be “arbitrary and capricious,” which is similar to the “abuse of discretion” test. The person handling the appeal may not agree with the decision, but the decision stands unless the person who made it had no reasonable grounds to do so, or failed to engage in an adequate consideration of the circumstances.

Regardless of the specific wording of the standard, the initial Brady decision is expected to receive “very substantial weight” on appeal.

For all appeals that aren’t “de novo,” the record of evidence becomes frozen in place when the appeal commences. Which means that, unless the appeals officer is starting from scratch, no new evidence should be considered. Which makes one of the comments this week from Commissioner Roger Goodell confusing, to say the least.

Asked whether Brady would receive another chance to cooperate with the investigation by surrendering text messages and emails, Goodell said this: “We have a process here. It’s long established. I look forward to hearing directly from Tom. If there is new information or there’s information in helping us get this right, I want to hear directly from Tom on that.”

“New information” shouldn’t matter under the “abuse of discretion” or “arbitrary and capricious” standard. The quest for “new information” has ended at that point. So if Goodell is considering “new information,” he’s not handling the appeal the way he should.

If there’s “new information,” Brady should ask to re-open the investigation, allowing Wells to do whatever it is that he charged the NFL millions of dollars to do, and then giving executive V.P. of football operations Troy Vincent a chance to reconsider the punishment, with Goodell waiting to review the matter on appeal. That apparently won’t be happening, which introduces a major flaw into the process.

A separate problem arises from the reality that, even though Goodell tried to distance himself from the initial decision by delegating it to Vincent, the suspension shows the fingerprints of the man whose signature appears on every football the NFL uses.

“[O]nce we had the [Ted] Wells report, our staff — led by Troy Vincent, who handles these matters on a regular basis and has all spring — immediately began meetings,” Goodell said. “I participated in some of those meetings so I understood the discussion that they were having. Troy made a recommendation. I authorized him to go ahead and issue that as I do in every other case.”

Goodell participating in disciplinary meetings is no different than an owner participating in draft meetings; eventually, the owner’s preferences will become a factor. And when Goodell “authorized” his top football lieutenant to make the initial decision to suspend Brady four games, Goodell may as well have been making the decision himself.

And now he’ll be handling the appeal. Under a standard that shouldn’t allow for “new information” to be considered. Which will do nothing to dissuade the NFL Players Association from arguing that the NFL is, once again, making it up as it goes.

307 responses to “Goodell’s quest for “new information” makes for confusing Brady appeal

  1. Ohhhh can’t wait for the hundreds of Pats fans to post here. It must be hard when a team you believed in turns out to have cheated for all those wins and championships … and now they’re basically worthless. It has to hurt.

  2. Florio, many people say (most recently Jim Kelly) that Brady knew the balls had less air in them.

    Answer me this:

    1. Why didn’t the refs know the balls felt deflated

    2. Why didn’t Luck know the balls were deflated (the Wells report said the Colts balls were below the required psi the whole game)

    3. Why didn’t every NFL quarterback in every cold game in league history know the balls were deflated

    4. Why didn’t the NFL know they have been playing with balls with low psi in every cold game in NFL history

    The investigation was a sham and the NFL is in cover up mode.

  3. Didn’t he pay Wells millions of dollars to find all of the information that was out there?

  4. Why didn’t Goodell require Brett Favre to turn over his cell phone when he was texting pictures of his junk to the female reporter? Seems like THAT would have been more appropriate.
    Just another instance in a long line of mishandling and inconsistant actions by a clown commissioner, who makes huge money.
    Fire him already!

  5. If this appeal hearing was to be part of formal legal proceedings then the appeal hearing should use such tests and standards. Thing is, it isn’t. This is a workplace disciplinary and as long as the investigation and appeal are conducted under the set [and with the CBA, agreed] parameters then all the legal jargon in the world is irrelevant.

    Lawyers may want to turn everything in to elitist legal proceedings but that is what lawyers do. If only the NFLPA could remember that from time to time.

  6. All I hear is the league didn’t like that Tom didn’t cooperate & would like to see if Tom can present some evidence to the contrary of their findings. Then when Tom can’t or won’t, the punishment will stand.

    Tom can’t defend being a liar and cheating with his withheld information, unless of course his coach / owner fall on the sword for him. Wait for that to happen, just you wait.

  7. We are talking about air pressure per square inch in a football people.

    Something that never mattered before in the history of the NFL somehow mattered now because it was the Patriots.

    All the fake outrage and sanctimonious preaching from soap boxes just makes you look stupid.

    This story brought out the ugly and phoniness of fans and media alike.

    Get a grip people.

  8. Still the Champs. Love the crying from the rest of the league. Sorry that your Bills haven’t won a playoff game this millennium. Sorry that your Jets are the laughing stock of the NFL. Sorry that the Cowboys have more criminals than most prisons. I could go on, but I think I will just watch the Super Bowl Championship DVD one more time…

  9. answer me this:

    1. Why hasn’t Tom Brady cooperated in the investigation and answered questions and provided exculpatory evidence? (becasue there is none)

    2. Why did Tom become BFF’s with the two ball boys involved AFTER he was under investigation? (cover up)

    3. Why has Brady not presented one single piece of evidence that would prove his innocence? (he doesn’t have any)

    4. Why can’t Patriot fans get beyond the psi level of the balls? This has nothing to do with what level of psi was in the balls and has everything to do with arrogant, elitist, entitled, self-righteous Tommie Brady OBSTRUCTING AN INVESTIGATION BECAUSE HE THINKS HE IS BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE. (image tainted FOREVER)

    Jeez, people, get a clue for once !! Patriots legacy tainted FOREVER.

  10. This is a way for Goodell to make Brady an offer without saying it. Reading between the lines, Goodell is saying “give us the phone, we’ll give you a reduced or eliminated suspension”.

    This isn’t about arbitration, it’s about negotiation.

  11. Brett Farve didn’t give his phone to the NFL on a FAR worse charge of Sexual Harrassment in the workplace where his phone was the ONLY piece of evidence (other than his member). He got a small fine and was forced to play for the Jets and Vikings. Where was the outrage on him not turning the phone over?

  12. How much longer does Goodell last in a position that is way over his head? In reality, the only answer is that the owners knew they hired an incompetent Commissioner so that they could give the illusion of having one while really running the operations from behind the curtain. Where’s Dorothy when we need her?

  13. Memo to Roger — that’s not what an appeal is. The trial court is the finder of facts. Your job is only to make sure there was no error in applying the law — and that does not include conducting a further investigation.

    I thought you were trained as a lawyer?!

    What is this — another endless Bengazi investigation?

    Get with the program, pal.

  14. Kraft had to choose not to appeal the case lest the investigators go further down the rabbit hole of their deception. There’s plenty of “new” information for Goodell to find but it’s for other violations of the rules. The Patriots organization should just remain silent before more layers of the onion are peeled back.

  15. Here’s some new information Roger:

    Patriots (total) fumbles under HC Belichick:
    2000-2006: 1 fumble every 42 touches
    2007-2014: 1 fumble every 74 touches

    The fumbling data is accurate. In 2006, Brady lobbied the league to change the rules for pre-game handling of footballs. In 2007 the Patriots named Jim McNally Locker Room Attendant. It’s also the same year he became “the deflator”.

  16. Anybody else notice the * next to Tom’s name on the NFL website ?? Any reason * is on there ??

  17. It is amazing how Goodell & the news media have all the haters eating out of their hands.

    They have you focused on one thing – the word CHEATER.

    No factual evidence – just the mere accusation that a successful teams’ winning record is completely based on CHEATING.

    After all, it plays into your ego and lifts you up from constantly being defeated by this winning team.

    Did you forget that when this plot by Goodell & the NFL first arose in 2007 that the CHEATING Team went on to have the ONLY 16 game PERFECT Record in NFL History.

    You did not learn from the AFCCG game where, after the footballs were APPROVED the second time, the PATRIOTS destroyed the Colts 28-0. Which was a PERFECT FACTUAL DEMONSTRATION that Rule 17 was NOT violated and that this was a Sting Operation that FAILED.

    You did not learn from the SuperBowl XLIX where BRADY broke NFL records in passing NFL approved Rule 17 footballs.

    Goodell & the News Media had two weeks to flood the TV & the airwaves with Slander, False Reporting & Jealous QB’s crying GUILTY in an attempt to undermine the PATRIOTS.

    Keep feeding from the hands of Goodell & the news media (Double Speak ) little Sheeple.

    Keep believing and stay in tune with the Power over the air waves. Do not trust Logic, Reason & Scientific Analysis. You know what the truth is because you been told what the truth is – that is all that matters little Sheeple.

  18. If anyone thinks that Brady’s phone has ANY relevant information on it, they need to start a Gofundme site to purchase that bridge I am selling. He has had the sim card scrubbed of every speck of relevant information. Might have cost him a couple hundred thousand to have it professionally done, but, it has been done. Guaranteed.

  19. Cheat then step up the cameras and be a Liar to everyone face? Have a seat on the bench Tom…maybe that will you appreciate things more.

  20. How is this for new information? The Wells report is an embarrassment to rational thought. Oh wait. Anyone with an ability to read already knows that!

  21. Brady fumbles compared to his being sacked:

    2001-06, Brady was sacked 182 times and fumbled 59 times.
    2007-14, Brady was sacked 182 times and fumbled 36 times.

    So much like the rest of Patriots offensive skill players, Brady was able to hold onto the football better beginning in 2007. The same year Jim McNally (“the Deflator”) was named Locker Room Attendant.

  22. tmcb7 – Favre’s texting a chick isn’t detrimental to the game or the NFL while deflated balls and refusing to cooperate in the investigation are!

  23. Goodell is a PR man by trade. He used the trumped up charges as an prop to erase the Rice, Peterson, and Bounty Gate failures from everyone’s mind and boost his dead in the water approval ratings. He used the NFL Network to disseminate false information. He strong armed NFL broadcast partners to post stories favorable to his cause.

    Did it work? Yes, like a charm. Since everybody hates Goliath. The smear campaign was rather easy.

    Whereas, the city of New Orleans who previously considered Goodell the human personification of Hurricane Katrina, now wants him named permanent king of the Mardi Gras.

    Just keep repeating :

    “I believe everything that Ted Wells says.”

    ” I trust Roger Goodell 100%.”
    .

  24. This has nothing to do with what level of psi was in the balls and has everything to do with arrogant, elitist, entitled, self-righteous Tommie Brady OBSTRUCTING AN INVESTIGATION
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    There is no law prohibiting anyone from being arrogant or self-righteous.

    But I do agree with you that this INQUISITION by Goodell has NOTHING to do with 0.5 psi and EVERYTHING to do with a POWER STRUGGLE between Goodell (NYC JETS) and BRADY/ PATRIOTS.

    Continue with your Witch Hunt.

  25. skoobyfl says:
    May 24, 2015 9:56 AM

    Anybody else notice the * next to Tom’s name on the NFL website ?? Any reason * is on there ??
    ___________

    I thought you were kidding, but I looked and it’s actually there! The infamous asterisk that Patsie fans insist is all in our imagination. On the NFL website! I’m loving it!

  26. Roger has kissed the rings. A deal has been done and watch TB12’s suspension gets reduced to 1 or 2 games. However, the greatest QB of all time deserves better because he is completely innocent. End this evil witchhunt by the haters.

  27. Teams fumble more often in outdoor games played in cold weather conditions. At least everyone except the NE Patriots, despite the fact they play home games in the most upper northeast venue in the entire NFL. In fact, NE has fumbled the least of ANY team in the NFL since 2007 (including dome teams like ATL who played just 4 cold weather games since 2007).

  28. …Ohhhh can’t wait for the hundreds of Pats fans to post here. It must be hard when a team you believed in turns out to have cheated for all those wins and championships … and now they’re basically worthless. It has to hurt.
    ——————–
    yeah ..Taping coaches rub their bellies from the end zone, and letting a letting air out of the ball is why the Pat’s won so much.. get a clue. ..Belichick was whacked for insubordination after a LEAGUE WIDE MEMO went out to ALL CLUBS ..”DO NOT RECORD OUTSIDE OF COACHES BOX”.. Belichick looked at that memo and laughed. Pats were fined and the team went 16-0! .. If taping was such a huge advantage for Pats, why didn’t the Pats win it all in ’02 and ’06? ..N.E. haters conveniently leave those two years out when dissecting the Pats “Spygate” success. .. -With “DeflateGate” the Ball guys know Brady likes the ball on the low end of the legal psi range.. After the balls were checked by refs, Ball guys lets some air out them in the bathroom.. He knows Brady will give him some signed balls or sneakers later in the week. Did Brady order or ask the guy to make sure you let air out of the ball before you bring them out to the field? .. i seriously doubt that and nobody knows for sure., thats why the suspension and the fine/loss of picks are absolutely outrageous!.. league rules for messing the balls is 25k fine .. triple the fine if Brady was not cooperating, but honestly i don’t blame him for not handing over his phone.. especially if you already know the team will get in trouble no matter what you decide. Ted Wells is not an “independent” investigator.

  29. This is not about deflategate. This is about Tom Brady and his brand $200M. By leaking false information from the onset and that what you call probably more than not report to the penalty Roger Goodell Judge,Jury & Executioner has chosen to degrade the very face of the game.

    I believe this is very personal with Brady and he will not accept a single game. This will go to federal court and he will win.

    Every QB likes their balls a certain way, if this most teams in the league, never mind heating balls on the sidelines as nationally known fact this is not even a conversation.

    Its the Patriots which every mention brings out the biggest comments.

    By the way, the FOUR Lombardi’s look great at 1 Patriots Place.

  30. We are talking about air pressure per square inch in a football people.

    Something that never mattered before in the history of the NFL somehow mattered now because it was the Patriots.

    ——————————–

    Just like the tuck rule…

  31. Life according to the NFLPA and Pats fans…

    -If Goodell doesn’t take into consideration of any new evidence…
    “He has an agenda!!! It’s all corrupt and he doesn’t want to get the real truth! We need a new arbitrator!!”

    -If Goodell takes new evidence into consideration…
    “Look! He doesn’t even know what he’s doing!! That means he never trusted the original report! This is all a sham! We need a new arbitrator!!!”

    By nature, the comish’s job is “damned if you do, damned if you don’t”… He has about 4 or 5 options on every decision with the general fans split on which option is best. Any time he picks one, 4/5 fans think he’s a bum.

  32. The NFL is not a court of law. Brady is the worst QB of all time. He is a cheater and deserves nothing. Every win the Patriots have had over 19 years even before he got there is tainted and should not be recognized. Every win since that fat man corrupt Kraft bought the team is in question. Brady would be without any rings right now had he and his team not cheated. A big fat ZERO Super Bowl wins.

  33. Tom lied to your face after being caught cheating.The Patriot team has an addiction to cheating led by Bill Belichek that created an environment culture that Tom Brady fell victim to. Repeat offenders with an arrogant attitude fan base.

  34. Seattlesue:

    I thought you were kidding, but I looked and it’s actually there! The infamous asterisk that Patsie fans insist is all in our imagination. On the NFL website! I’m loving it!

    ——————————————————————–

    It’s obvious to anyone in the league & outside of NE that everything accomplished by Tom is * worthy. I’ve never seen an * next to any player on their including known and admitted players cheating but * is there for all to see for reason.

    The league is challenging those begging for help to help themselves with new information. Where’s the coach defending his player ?? Kraft ran away faster than Iraqi troops on ISIL patrol, so what does this all tell you ?? Tom is on * island, all alone.

  35. I am not a lawyer so I have to assume your point is technically accurate in a legal setting but from a common sense point of view it is absurd. If Brady has evidence that he did no wrong and Goodell said “too bad, I will not consider that because the time for gathering evidence has passed,” you would blast him for being unfair and not getting it right. I am sure there is an issue with the fact that he could have presented it earlier but chose not to however, isn’t the point of justice to get to the facts and make the correct decision? Is this really a legal process or is it still part of a business disciplinary review? I see no problem with Goodell considering “new” evidence here if he truly wants to make the right decision.

  36. The article brings up some interesting points mainly what little ability Goodell has to do the job effectively. Not a lawyer, no poltical savy, no ability to mediate issues, power hungry, and no sense of fair play. Why did they hire this clown in the first place? Oh yeah looks good in a suit and nice head of hair. Brilliant.

  37. LOL Could these “lines” be just a little easier to read between?
    Roger: “Tom, the REASON Bob (Kraft) is letting it drop is that he and I had a chat AND JUST AS I DID BEFORE with the “Spygate” situation, I’ll reduce the penalty and destroy the evidence! The CBA calls for a two game max. I’ll make yours ONE game and the NFLPA will be happy so they’ll let it drop. AND, we can still gig Hardy for the 10 games John (Mara) wants (And so do YOU as your team PLAYS the Cowboys!) Because we’re using a different EXCUSE for him. Don’t you remember how we let the Saints and Raiders off the hook but screwed the Redskins and Cowboys out of cap money even though the Saints and Raiders did the same thing? Trust me Tom, just send me the phone and you’ll get a one game slap on the wrist.”

  38. This is the douche that took $36 million in cap space from the Redskins just hours before free agency started. No appeal, no chance to present their side. This is the douche that had approved the contracts he later penalized them for doing. You may not care because the victim was the Redskins, but his next rape victim could be your team. I take nothing he says or does at face value.

  39. Goodell and his New York buddies in the office knew the Patriots would be found guilty right after the blatantly false report by Mortensen of the 11 of 12 footballs a full 2 PSI under.
    When they saw the visceral reaction from the other 31 fan bases and sanctimonious reporting of the sports media, the NFL knew they were going to serve the Patriots on a silver platter. Facts were only inconveniences at that point.
    Best way for Goodell to get back in the good graces of 31 owners and fans is to destroy the most successful team. The NFL lied to reporters and watched the team get destroyed by the media.
    It must have KILLED Roger to hand over the Lombardi to Kraft. For that, I am grateful!

    Oh, and the Patriots fumble the same on the road as they do at home, so…nice try with that.
    The NFL offenses exploded around 2007 when all teams were allowed to scuff up the footballs the way the QB’s like. Read about how Eli has his people prepare the footballs.

  40. May 24, 2015 10:16 AM

    This is not about deflategate. This is about Tom Brady and his brand $200M. By leaking false information from the onset and that what you call probably more than not report to the penalty Roger Goodell Judge,Jury & Executioner has chosen to degrade the very face of the game.

    I believe this is very personal with Brady and he will not accept a single game. This will go to federal court and he will win.

    Every QB likes their balls a certain way, if this most teams in the league, never mind heating balls on the sidelines as nationally known fact this is not even a conversation.

    Its the Patriots which every mention brings out the biggest comments.

    By the way, the FOUR Lombardi’s look great at 1 Patriots Place.
    ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………… You poor delusional fan. For one every QB likes ball his own way but every QB stays within the rules, well except for Shady. There are rules in life and they are there for a purpose. Simple fact is Brady is a cheater. He cheated and he has been cheating for years. Simple fact is Bill Billacheat is a cheater and he has been cheating for years. Simple fact is owner Corrupt Kraft is a cheater and he’s been cheating for years. Simple fact is the Patriots are a pathetic organization. The Lombardi’s look great for Patriots fans because without the cheating they know they would have none of them. Maybe the NFL won’t or can’t strip them of the trophies but when every fan and non fan of the NFL looks at those same trophies we see a disgusting cheating organization and those trophies sit there without any real significance. They stand for the corruptness of the NFL. They stand for the wrong that has robbed an honest team the trophy. The Patriots will continue to cheat.

  41. For all the simple minded folks harping on the * beside TB’s name on the NFL Network…that * was put there by “BUCKY BROOKS” not the NFL. If you look at the record books pertaining to SB MVP there is no *. Bucky Brooks is not an official of the NFL in anyway shape or form. Get a grip on your sanity folks, you are clutching at straws that aren’t there. I f you think that Bucky Brooks thoughts matter in the grand scope of things NFL, I feel very very very sorry for you.

  42. But, but, but Goodell says it’s a “long established” process, so the NFL is not making it up as they go. Ha ha.

    Bottom line, the NFL can do whatever it wants just as any employer can. And this sham will go on for another month of bad publicity with diligent commentators like Florio exposing its numerous legal and illegal flaws. Then Brady will be forced to take this to court to clear his name and expose how this whole NFL scheme is “arbitrary and capricious” and violates the law. And many more months of bad publicity for the NFL.

  43. raider mike here are some answers to your questions:

    “1. Why hasn’t Tom Brady cooperated in the investigation and answered questions and provided exculpatory evidence? (becasue there is none)”

    Brady sat down with Wells for up to 7 hours depending on who you speak to. Even in the Wells report, Wells states Brady was cooperative up to the point he refused to give up texts. So that is a misnomer. He was cooperative just not to the extent that Wells wanted.

    How exactly does Brady produce evidence that he wasn’t involved in a scheme to deflate balls? If Brady is 100% innocent, he will not have a single piece of evidence that proves that. Do you think there will be text messages from Brady to Jastremski or McNally to specifically not deflate balls after the refs inspect them?

    “2. Why did Tom become BFF’s with the two ball boys involved AFTER he was under investigation? (cover up)”

    There is zero evidence of direct contact between Brady and McNally after the investigation was started. And as Dan Wezel of Yahoo Sports said. Yes, Brady talking to Jastremski so much after Brady found out about this is an act of a guilty man, but it is also an act of an innocent man too. An innocent man would call the guy in charge of the balls to find out what is going on and whether the accusations are true. So the fact that Brady spent 50 minutes on the phone with Jastremski over 2-3 days doesn’t tell much.

    “3. Why has Brady not presented one single piece of evidence that would prove his innocence? (he doesn’t have any)”

    You already asked this question, but I will answer it again the same.

    How exactly does Brady produce evidence that he wasn’t involved in a scheme to deflate balls? If Brady is 100% innocent, he will not have a single piece of evidence that proves that. Do you think there will be text messages from Brady to Jastremski or McNally to specifically not deflate balls after the refs inspect them?

    “4. Why can’t Patriot fans get beyond the psi level of the balls? This has nothing to do with what level of psi was in the balls and has everything to do with arrogant, elitist, entitled, self-righteous Tommie Brady OBSTRUCTING AN INVESTIGATION BECAUSE HE THINKS HE IS BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE. (image tainted FOREVER)”

    So Brady and the Pats are guilty, not because the evidence says so, but because Brady was cooperative up until the point he refused to give up his cell phone or text information.

    It was clear that Wells was not looking for the truth and just trying to nail the Patriots. I wouldn’t have been cooperative either considering the way Wells twisted text messages in the Jonathan Martin case to make innocuous texts that two friends were giving each other crap into smoking guns of bullying.

  44. The Patriots have fumbled less on the road EVERY YEAR since 2007, And the ravens a cold weather running team have the lowest fumble rate since 2007– Like people who gay bash and constantly rant against gays are most likely gay themselves- those that speak or name themselves “INTEGRITY”, problably have none -Like those on this site as well as EX JET Roger Goodell.

  45. Here is where I see a big problem: I have been involved in workplace investigations and arbitrations in university workplaces, about much more serious issues than the one involved here. I have never seen a process where the parties at stake for punishment did not have a full chance to see and comment upon an investigatory report and submit additional evidence BEFORE the initial punishment was rendered. Both the team and the player should have had that chance after the Wells report, which is essentially a prosecutorial indictment or a finding of wrongdoing. Where is the chance to comment except to the prosecutor himself, which Wells had obviously become before he interviewed Brady?

    Goodell is, of course, making it up as he goes along. He wants to see the Brady counter evidence and rebuttal, and he should have a procedure for the NFL where he sees it first, not after the fact. It is in the League’s interest, and certainly in Goodell’s interest, to see all the evidence anyone wants to present.

  46. I think Goodell’s is issuing a dare. For all the whining and bashing of teeth coming out of New England and eye and the like, he is saying, put up. Brady elected to withhold information and then gripe about the investigation not having enough clear information. Goodell’s is saying “put up or shut up”.

  47. Roger just seems to be making it up as he goes along. If this was happening to any other team other than the Patriots, people would be going crazy calling for Goodell to be fired because of this utter sham of an investigation and appeals process.

  48. Why do all the Patriots fans sit there and make excuses for and try to justify their teams cheating, instead of demanding change of that pathetic organization? Why?

  49. The NFL admits they didn’t know that the balls in their games at significantly lower psi in cold weather but Brady was suppose to know that the balls in his game had lower psi levels. It is that type of inverse logic that makes the NFL case an obvious sham.

  50. I’m not sure the appeal will require the legal standards outlined here. Isn’t this still an internal issue? Once the case goes to court though, I could see these standards applied.

  51. Still looking for integrity in the NFL? Good luck with that.

    It’s all about money. Just like Selig turned a blind eye to PEDs because more homers meant more money, the NFL didn’t care about PSI because more TDs meant more highlights for their network.

    Then the BS is ” obstruction” . It’s not the crime it’s the cover up.

    Goodell acts like the stereotypical crooked sharif from the Deep South Roscoe p Coltrane. Pull someone over for speeding, throw in resisting arrest and impound car too

    What a joke

  52. Goodell’s lack of legal training likely does render him not qualified to apply the proper legal standard in this instance (as his public statements have demonstrated). But isn’t the same thing true of Troy Vincent determining the penalty in the first instance. Mr. Vincent was an elite player whose on-field experience may qualify him to determine if a late hit should be a $25,000 or $50,000 fine, but what possibly qualifies him to review the Wells Report to see if it made its case? Is there any indication that Vincent even read the full report or considered any of the information that the Patriots released. Or are we to believe that he relied on the conclusion and then surveyed various owners to determine a penalty. This flaws in the report (which are now well documented) required a critical review of the report to uncover. Nothing indicate that Mr. Vincent was qualified to undertake that task or seek counsel from someone who was.

  53. Another great day reading all the Patriot haters spoon fed BS ….Brady will get his day in court and when the suspension is lifted you all can keep on crying jealous tears.

    World Champion New England Patriots..can you say repeat!!!

  54. Also did you know the Atlanta Falcons (confirmed cheaters) are a bigger statistical outlier among dome teams than the Pats are with outdoor teams? Did you know that the Ravens have fumbled less than the Pats since 2011, and they play outdoors? Did you know the Saints and Colts have outrageously low fumble rates as well since 2007?

    Did you know that good teams fumble less than bad teams? That win percentage and fumbles correlate? Did you know the Patriots lead the league in win percentage since 2001?

  55. It is very hard to let a little bit of air with a needle.Throwing out the data of the outlier gauge proves that that did not happen.Doesn’t matter, Brady should assume the position just like Kraft did.

  56. Here’s some new information Roger:

    Patriots (total) fumbles under HC Belichick:
    2000-2006: 1 fumble every 42 touches
    2007-2014: 1 fumble every 74 touches

    The fumbling data is accurate. In 2006, Brady lobbied the league to change the rules for pre-game handling of footballs. In 2007 the Patriots named Jim McNally Locker Room Attendant. It’s also the same year he became “the deflator”.

    >>> How much attention was paid to OVERINFLATION prior to 2006? Apparently, not much was paid to the overinflated balls in the game between the Pats and Jets in October of 2014 (almost 16 psi?!)

    Since Wilson footballs are shipped at 13 psi, to get to 12.5 psi, guess what? You have to DEFLATE them…

    Anyone else notice that the Jets have been at the core of any accusations leveled at the Patriots since 2000…hmmmmm…Belichick signs up as Jets Head Coach, resigns 1 day later to join the Patriots and goes on to win 3 Super Bowls in 5 years….does anyone think maybe the Jets have sour grapes, believing those 3 Lombardis should have been theirs?

  57. There’s nothing confusing at all on this subject, only astoundingly misguided processes. For most problems persistence is a good thing for a solution; but when a whole group of people repeatedly try to remove a frozen and cross threaded bolt with a pair of broken pliers, nothing happens and nothing certainly gets fixed. Whatever happens to Deflategate will not fix the NFL, there will be another -Gate and one of your teams will be next.

  58. If Roger is the police, judge, jury, and executioner, then who, at the very least, will police the police????

    Tagliabue confirmed that Roger went too far with Bountygate – but he clearly didn’t learn his lesson.

    The integrity of the game, and a tarnished “shield” is on the line, not because of what Brady didn’t do (the Wells Report confirms the “best recollection” of the official is that NO DEFLATION OCCURRED)

    It’s on the line because of a witch hunt given bias in the League offices, which were the source of FALSE leaked information according to the media.

    This, and related implications of League bias, is what Wells REFUSES to look into – but it’s the MOST important aspect of this “scandal” – as once again, Wells’ own investigation confirms that NO DEFLATION TOOK PLACE

  59. Did Jim Kelly ever complain about low psi in the frigid games in Buffalo?

    Did Eli Manning ever complain about low psi in the very cold games in New Jersey?

    No, what QBs complain about in cold weather is that the balls are hard despite lower psi levels. How many times have you heard a QB complain after a cold weather game that the balls were like rocks? I have never heard a QB complain the the air pressure was too low after a cold game.

    The only evidence against Brady is actually exculpatory. The texts show he wanted the balls between 12.5 and 13.0 psi and complained when the refs set them to 16.0 psi against the Jets.

    The only evidence is that the refs may have been tampering with balls to help the Jets.

    The case against Brady is a based on lies and conjecture that in statistics create a very improbable likelihood and not the more “probable than not” bs that Goodell told wells to give him so he could come down hard on Brady and the Patriots.

  60. Fact 1:
    Tom Brady like the football at the low end of the PSI range.

    Fact 2: it is likely the ball boy let air out of the balls to get them to the low end of the PSI range.

    Fact 3: no one knows if Tom Brady directed his ball boys to deflate the balls below the 12.5 PSI range.,

    Fact 4: No one will ever know if Brady directed the ball boys to deflate the balls below the 12.5 range.

    Fact 5: The Colts balls in that game were equally deflated in that game.

    Fact6: Since the Colts didn’t win the game, no one cares about their balls being deflated as well.

    Fact 7: The Wells repots cherry picks its “facts” to fit a predetermined outcome that Brady, NE et al violated likely the rules.

    Fact8: NFL fans of other teams will never let this go, even though they know TB is a Top 5 all time great, because they revel in other peoples misfortune. Frighteningly sad to see so many people have little else to do with their time. Truly Sad.

    Fact 9: I don’t care if they deflated the balls or not, NE pats have 4 untainted perfectly shiny Lombardi trophies, and no amount of IP based blather will ever change that.

    Hate on, ladies

  61. willycents says:
    May 24, 2015 9:58 AM

    If anyone thinks that Brady’s phone has ANY relevant information on it, they need to start a Gofundme site to purchase that bridge I am selling. He has had the sim card scrubbed of every speck of relevant information. Might have cost him a couple hundred thousand to have it professionally done, but, it has been done. Guaranteed.
    ———————————————————
    Here we have it, folks; the prime example of “Tom Brady can’t win”

    All of you are yapping about Brady must be guilty because he didn’t turn over the phone (which isn’t the case, he chose not to turn in messages that he and his lawyer picked out themselves!).

    Now, if Brady does a sudden about-face and hands his phone completely over to Gooddell, it’s because he scrubbed it clean.

    Tell me, how does Tom Brady win, here?

    Do you now need to see the phones of Bill Belichick and Bob Kraft, to see if they show any smoking gun messages from Brady, or will they be accused of “scrubbing” their phones, too???

    Maybe, just MAYBE, there ARE NO smoking gun messages, because the Wells report shows that not a single patriots football was deflated below the range they should have been, accounting for the cold weather?

    And if McNally WAS “The deflator”, shouldn’t he have been fired because the balls during the Jets HOME game were found to be OVER INFLATED by THREE FULL POUNDS????? How does THAT happen, if it’s job to “deflate” them?

    You people are totally ignoring the facts, because this is the Patriots, the team everyone loves to hate!!!!!!

    There WERE NO “deflated footballs”, and Roger Gooddell’s own million dollar investigation SAYS SO!!!!

  62. A few ounces of air thats what the big fuss is about. This is pathetic! No steroids or PEDS ,come on,REALLY! Goodell needs to be fired for allowing this to get do out of hand. Not the act but the entire Deflate gate scandal makes the entire NFL (not Patriots) look ridiculous.

  63. If they’re using the Wells report as evidence, that works in Brady’s favor since the Wells report had no evidence to implicate Brady.

    Boom. Zero games.

  64. If Brady is innocent, all he has to do is hand over the text messages between him and the 2 stooges like they asked for in the first place. They never demanded his entire cell phone, just print outs of the communications between him and the 2 deflators.

    BUT….We all know that will not happen because it will just further incriminate him as a cheater.

  65. The fine should have been $25,000 thats it ! Not a multi million dollar investigation “For What?” Roger Goodell is an ignorant idiot for allowing this PSI crap to get way out of hand. PATRIOTS won the SB49 fair and square with top ball and player security ! Colts are a bunch of crying idiots Jim Irsay is a drunk idiot!

  66. p0lishthund3r says:
    May 24, 2015 9:53 AM
    Brett Farve didn’t give his phone to the NFL on a FAR worse charge of Sexual Harrassment in the workplace where his phone was the ONLY piece of evidence (other than his member). He got a small fine and was forced to play for the Jets and Vikings.

    To be fair, what could be worse than playing for the Jets?

    Didn’t Favre suffer enough with the Jets indignity?

    Okay, I agree, being a Jets fan is worse than playing for the Jets…but Favre did suffer.

  67. “The fine should have been $25,000 thats it !”

    Read the rule book. That is the minimum punishment. Obviously institutional cheating that was happening even before the AFCCG means a different punishment.

    And….the spygate punishment clearly didn’t get them to stop their cheating, so the hammer has to come down. Sooner or later the Patriots might actually get the message.

  68. We are talking about air pressure per square inch in a football people.

    Something that never mattered before in the history of the NFL somehow mattered now because it was the Patriots.

    All the fake outrage and sanctimonious preaching from soap boxes just makes you look stupid.

    This story brought out the ugly and phoniness of fans and media alike.

    Get a grip people.

    *********************************************
    I agree 100%. Just thought it deserved another post.

  69. Can anyone enlighten me on this cell phone thing. If the NFL already has the cell phone records of the 2 guys suspected of hanky panky with ball inflation, what would Brady’s cell phone records reveal? If Brady texted or emailed those 2 guys, wouldn’t that record already exist on their phones? What am I missing?

  70. We could use a statistics professor, or someone who wins consistently in Vegas, to explain to the masses how probability works.

    If you have three things that need to be true for something to be correct you would multiply the weighted average probability percentages to come up with the probability.

    Let’s walk through an equation:

    The balls were below 12.5% psi due to conditions other than nature (50% probability, yes or no)

    The Patriots ball boys tampered with the balls (50% probability, yes or no)

    Brady told the Patriots ball boys to tamper with the balls (50% probability, yes or no)

    The probability that Brady is guilty based on simple probability is 12.5%. That’s not even close to more probable than not so he NFL fudged the evidence.

    The NFL prejudged the Patriots and Brady and got caught with their pants down so they went with a sham investigation. Like most sham investigations when the prosecution doesn’t have the evidence they try to force a confession. The NFL is still trying to force a confession. The haters are calling for a confession. No one has confessed.

  71. “Brett Farve didn’t give his phone to the NFL on a FAR worse charge of Sexual Harrassment in the workplace where his phone was the ONLY piece of evidence (other than his member).”
    ———————–

    It also didn’t give his team any sort of perceived advantage on the field. It’s a personal conduct issue off the field, not on it. Big difference.

    And yes, Brady and the Patriots obviously felt it gave them some sort of advantage or they wouldn’t have done it. Cheating is cheating.

  72. The haters keep voting down logic.

    The haters are the equivalent to the religious acolytes that watched the Salem witches drowned and burned while they yelled “confess”.

    They were sure they were right , too.

  73. “If they’re using the Wells report as evidence, that works in Brady’s favor since the Wells report had no evidence to implicate Brady.”
    ————–

    Ha Ha! It’s funny and sad that you believe this. Just like every past and current QB has said….the ball boys act in direct accordance down to even the most minute details when it comes to the condition of the game balls.

    They probably also even have text messages from Brady to the stooges, but want to make sure they align with what was sent by Brady to be thorough. If they cite one way communications Patriots conspiracy theorists will just say that they were fabricated or come up with some other nonsense.

  74. The imbeciles who are too stupid to actually read the report blather on about cheats. There was not one shred of evidence in the report that said Brady ordered balls below league minimum.
    Secondly in the only game tested the Colts balls were under inflated too. Kraft is a weak spineless rich guy who married in to money. He says the Pats did nothing wrong but he won’t fight the penalty. So he’s either a coward or a liar, take your pick, nothing “classy”, as some sports books opined, about it.

  75. “We are talking about air pressure per square inch in a football people.

    Something that never mattered before in the history of the NFL somehow mattered now because it was the Patriots.”
    ————

    It is called institutional cheating. By a team that has a history of it.

    And yes, it obviously did matter before this. If it didn’t, the NFL refs wouldn’t be required to inspect and test the balls before games.

  76. Media outlets are operating under the” Goodell Doctrine ” which states :

    1. Media outlets are not allowed to consider whether the Colts inserting a needle into a game ball while the game was on, constituted a violation.

    2. Why did NFL mogul Dave Bandi send a letter to the Patriots stating that one of the Patriots game balls was 10.1 which was knowingly false. The Patriots did not receive the actual results for over two month.

    3. Why did Ted Wells only focus on the actions of the Patriots. All actions by Kensil, Vincent, Kravitz, Mortenson, Harbaugh, Pagano, Grigson and their allies are subject to a special, internal investigation conducted by Goodell ally David Pash.. It seems that Pash is just their “protector”
    .

  77. I’ll ask again: how do they know it was Brady who asked or demanded football be inflated or deflated to a certain PSI? Just because he benefits the most isn’t enough, and neither is his refusal to turn over a private cell phone.

  78. I love Haters. They use words like CHEATING. Unfortunately, they will never find the word mentioned or commented in or on this investigation. Why is that??

    Simply, the NFL knows its not cheating and it would be defamation if they used the word. They won’t stop the media or fans from saying it. It benefits them to galvanize people to their side of the story. But the fact is, no cheating occurred by Tom Brady. It never did. To be complicit by proxy is not cheating. If that were the case, then the NFL would have no legal ground to fight Brady because they, themselves would be in violation for the same thing!

    The “sting” in which they created, knowingly put balls into play in a playoff game that violates their own rules. Legally speaking, they could never charge Brady for this directly because the standard has to be applied to everyone. The NFL will never put themselves in front of the firing line.

    And while the Haters think they have it all figured out, they are unwilling to accept the more likely scenario: Brady wanted his footballs to be 12.5 and wanted NO ONE to change their feel, no matter who it was. Thats not cheating. That’s being obstinate to a process. A process that clearly was lax and being re-written as the 11th Commandment after the fact.

    Integrity is a 2-way street. If you think the NFL is all about it, then you are buying some ocean front property in Nebraska. This has been about a game of rich man politics at the table of 32 within the Shield. Cheating is the sell job you Haters are willingly buying.

  79. beachsidejames says:
    May 24, 2015 10:28 AM
    In simpler terms the Patriots Suck!

    Well no James. Actually they don’t and that’s what really drives complete inadequately educated people like you nuts. You just can’t figure out how they keep beating the teams you root for, so it must be that they cheat in your “simple” world. And James, please keep up the nonsense. We love laughing at you!

  80. floratiotime says:
    May 24, 2015 9:38 AM
    Ohhhh can’t wait for the hundreds of Pats fans to post here. It must be hard when a team you believed in turns out to have cheated for all those wins and championships … and now they’re basically worthless. It has to hurt.
    ====================================
    Sorry Buba We Patriot fans actually feel sorry for all of you haters who have to troll Patriot new…looking for something to gloat over. You revel in other people’s perceived misery. We understand that being a dynasty will grow tired for other fans of other teams.
    Its okay, we forgive you.

  81. There is a larger lesson in this story.

    What the NFL did happens all too often in criminal prosecutions in this country every day.

    Police and district attorneys target a subject.

    They investigate the subject, not the facts.

    When the facts indicate innocence they ignore the facts. When the conjecture implicates a subjects involvement the run with it.

    They pressure the subject to confess with exorbitant punishment and the prospect of a reduced sentence.

    I hope Brady doesn’t submit, which is what most innocent people do under this much pressure.

    What’s special about this case is that there doesn’t appear to have even been a crime. That’s just sad.

  82. Nope. I think Goodell is doing it right. If you read between the lines, Goodell is challenging Brady to come face to face. Take the media out of it. Take the agents and representatives out of it. Be man enough to talk to my face. Brady doesn’t want the embarrassment of having to go before the commissioner, in person, when he’s been caught red handed cheating. Goodelll knows there is no new evidence. But if there is, he’s inviting Brady to produce it…… crickets…..

  83. Brady fumbles compared to his being sacked:

    2001-06, Brady was sacked 182 times and fumbled 59 times.
    2007-14, Brady was sacked 182 times and fumbled 36 times.

    So much like the rest of Patriots offensive skill players, Brady was able to hold onto the football better beginning in 2007. The same year Jim McNally (“the Deflator”) was named Locker Room Attendant.

    ———————————————————————–

    From 2007, Brady could have the balls scuffed and prepared as he likes them, not as the home team prepared them, so that reduction makes perfect sense.

  84. Tee hee 🙂 Poor Patriot hater…having their emotions toyed with like this.

    28-24 🙂 We know that you are still seething that Pete Carroll passed the ball. Awww. So close and yet so far…. 🙂

    #weownu
    #champs
    #urteamisinferior
    #urteamJustIsntAtOurLevel

  85. Teddy Buy Me A Bruschi

    So “Teddy” lets test your logic here.
    1) Brady has stated that he likes the balls at 12.5 -13 pounds.
    2) The ball boys even told the referees this and referenced these numbers in some of their texts.
    3) The texts also reference an instance where apparently the refs blew the balls up to 16 pounds and that upset Brady. That prompted the ball boys to want to get the balls the way Brady wanted them.
    I can see where the ball boys might have deflated the balls but they wouldn’t want them above or below what Tom had specified. I don’t see anything that would indicate that Brady ordered the ball boys to lower the balls beneath the legal limit. And don’t say it must have been on the phone he didn’t turn over, because both sides of the text messages would have appeared on the ball boy’s phones.
    So absent anything from Brady to them and the fact that if he did tell them this it would go against his own stated preference how do you conclude that Brady cheated? Such a conclusion is completely illogical, but of course hysterical uneducated people have a tendency to ignore facts and logic.

    And the above doesn’t even address the irregularities in the “scientific” findings of the report.

  86. Maybe one day Patriot Hater will wise up and see the fundamental issues with complaining about the best and what the champs do and don’t do… They will learn that it’s not so much about what the World Champions are doing orbit doing and more about their own inferior team being too wussy or too lazy to work harder and get better so they can compete with the best. Then they’ll rise up and demand better of their team.

    One day. 🙂

  87. “I’ll ask again: how do they know it was Brady who asked or demanded football be inflated or deflated to a certain PSI? Just because he benefits the most isn’t enough, and neither is his refusal to turn over a private cell phone.”

    ————–
    First of all, the ball boys operate under the guidance of the QB’s wishes. That has been established by EVERY former and current QB. There isn’t a detail about those game balls that isn’t exactly how the QB wants them.

    And…..the text messages between the stooges reference Brady enough to make it clear they are operating to his wishes.

    Evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. You don’t need video evidence or a smoking gun of the act. Just ask your murdering TE about that.

    If Brady is innocent, all he would have had to do is turn over any text communication print outs of the conversations between him and the stooges, not anyone else. And he didn’t. And you can be punished for not cooperating in an investigation. It’s in the CBA that the players signed off on.

  88. “What’s special about this case is that there doesn’t appear to have even been a crime. That’s just sad.”
    —————-

    Lance Armstrong committed no crime either. Should he be exonerated from cheating? I bet 99% of the people would say no.

  89. If Brady and those two ballboys are innocent, they are going to have a really entertaining defamation suit. Think about it: at some point the NFL decided to NOT correct the incorrect PSI totals that were literally global news. I assure you this was discussed at the highest levels of the NFL. The Wells report also appears to have been pushed in a particular direction. They then released the report in a media vacuum period, thereby guaranteeing maximum exposure. If Tom Brady and the ballboys are innocent and can testify under oath and hand over their communications (to a federal judge rather than the clown show in the NFL office), Goodell and the NFL are in big, big trouble because they won’t be able to do the same thing.

  90. Poor Teddy, chose to ignore the answer I gave you to the majority of these questions that you are stuck on. The reply is over there near the end of the Larry King piece for those interested.

    The fact is that Wells did have the phone of Jastremski and it was forensically imaged, that means any and all texts are on it and in Well’s possession. This means that any texts with Brady or from Brady to Jastremski are there. Page 30 of the Wells report if you choose to explore, look at the footnote.

    The first couple sentences of page 30 also explain McNally’s phone and that it was not a Patriots supplied one due to him being a part-timer. He did not turn over his phone, just texts asked for by Wells.

    Again, same as being pulled over by the Police when you’ve done, nor ever had done anything and being asked to have your car searched based on “suspicion.” Saying “no” is completely legal and does not mean guilt.

  91. Teddy Buy Me A Bruschi says: May 24, 2015 10:55 AM

    If Brady is innocent, all he has to do is hand over the text messages between him and the 2 stooges like they asked for in the first place. They never demanded his entire cell phone, just print outs of the communications between him and the 2 deflators.

    BUT….We all know that will not happen because it will just further incriminate him as a cheater.

    ——————————————————————————————-

    No it won’t. Imagine someone wants to see the text messages sent between you and your parents. If they have your parents’ phones, why would they need to see yours? The messages you sent are on both your parents’ phones, along with the ones they sent to you.

  92. This is about the NFL trying to set a standard by going after one of the games biggest stars. If Brady turns his cell phone over then he sets a standard for all other NFL players that they must do so as well when facing a potential suspension like domestic violence or drug related suspensions ect. An individual should not be forced to implicate themselves. Tom is being a leader for the other players in that union.

  93. LOL @ Patriot Hater just BEGGING Tom Brady to not take this to court. Ohhh they will deny that they are but… they are. 🙂

    Tee hee. Get yer popcorn out, this is going to be entertainment gold!

  94. “No it won’t. Imagine someone wants to see the text messages sent between you and your parents. If they have your parents’ phones, why would they need to see yours? The messages you sent are on both your parents’ phones, along with the ones they sent to you.”
    ———————-

    I know this is a hard concept for you to grasp, but it is really easy to delete text messages on a phone. Individual one’s or even all communication between you and someone else.

    So the best way to get the complete picture is to make sure you have it from both sides. They aren’t preserved by the cell phone provider, so you have to take whatever remains on the phone, which might not be the full picture.

  95. I’m gonna have to stop posting for a while…. The NFL channel is showing the PATRIOTS DYNASTY RUN….
    AWESOME!!!

  96. “If Brady and those two ballboys are innocent, they are going to have a really entertaining defamation suit.”
    ———–

    Great. File the suit. They will lose because it is a workplace investigation. There was no defamation. It would get laughed out of court. But in reality, it wouldn’t even hit the court in over a year, so that wouldn’t help anything with regards to the 4 game suspension as it would already be served.

  97. “I’m gonna have to stop posting for a while…. The NFL channel is showing the PATRIOTS DYNASTY RUN….”
    ————

    There was only 1 NFL dynasty. The Green Bay Packers who won the 5 championships in 7 years. The Patriots don’t qualify. Sorry.

  98. nolasoxfan2012 says:
    May 24, 2015 11:46 AM
    If Brady and those two ballboys are innocent, they are going to have a really entertaining defamation suit…

    The problem is the CBA gives the NFL execs and Goodell so much power that, even given Brady’s resources to pursue this case legally, it is possible and maybe probable that no court will take the case.

    Ironically Kraft might be the individual most guilty for the power that the CBA gives Goodell et al.

  99. Brady’s team won’t get into that amateur trap
    Hey Goodell ? Why do you need new information?
    The current info isn’t enough ?
    Hmmmmm

  100. “If you’re wondering why Kraft backed down, you can look past his statement about doing what’s good for the league. It is good for the NFL when one owner chooses to support a commissioner’s ruling. However, Kraft has to understand that his team and its most important player were in the wrong.”
    ————-

    Couldn’t have said it better myself!

  101. Suspended …4 Games. A QB known nation wide as “THE CHEATER” is looking at 40. Can’t cheat old age.

  102. “I see no problem with Goodell considering “new” evidence here if he truly wants to make the right decision.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That, in FACT, is a MAJOR problem. Any unbiased Judge would shred Goodel & Well$ on their Prosecutorial proceedings.

    Goodell & Well$ rejected Scientific Evidence, that is indisputable, because it exonerated the PATRIOTS.

    Well$ rejected, Scientific Evidence that IMPLICATED the Colts as having violated Rule 17 as well.

    Well$ conducted a PROSECUTORIAL investigation and NOT an Impartial one as claimed by Goodell.

    Goodell hired & paid Well$ MILLION$ for the outcome he wanted – Guilty verdict for the PATRIOTS.

    Well$ was not able to CONCLUSIVELY PROVE any wrong doing by BRADY & the PATRIOTS so he concluded with a BIASED OPINION of “More Probable then Not.”

    Hopefully, Brady takes this too court, not just for the suspensions, but also for Slander & Defamation.

    The NFL is worth BILLION$.

    If I were BRADY with the money he has, I would sue for BILLION$.

  103. There was only 1 NFL dynasty. The Green Bay Packers who won the 5 championships in 7 years. The Patriots don’t qualify. Sorry.
    ——————————————
    What were there, like 5 teams in the league then? Now they can barely win playoff games.

  104. floratiotime says:
    May 24, 2015 9:38 AM

    Ohhhh can’t wait for the hundreds of Pats fans to post here. It must be hard when a team you believed in turns out to have cheated for all those wins and championships … and now they’re basically worthless. It has to hurt.
    ———————————————-
    Not as much as it’s going to hurt you watching raise a SB banner this season.

  105. straightfactshomie says:
    May 24, 2015 10:41 AM
    Also did you know the Atlanta Falcons (confirmed cheaters) are a bigger statistical outlier among dome teams than the Pats are with outdoor teams? Did you know that the Ravens have fumbled less than the Pats since 2011, and they play outdoors? Did you know the Saints and Colts have outrageously low fumble rates as well since 2007?

    Did you know that good teams fumble less than bad teams? That win percentage and fumbles correlate? Did you know the Patriots lead the league in win percentage since 2001?

    **************************

    Did you know that none of those teams had huge changes in the frequency of fumbles the year after Brady lobbied for the away teams to provide their own footballs?

    Of course they would lead the league in winning percentage.. they were CHEATING.

  106. Kohlcorp. . . . Goodell’s needs nothing, he has already passed judgement, Brady is appealing. Goodell’s is simply saying, based on the facts he has, Brady sits 4. If Brady wants to sit less, bring more Facts.

  107. Still curious as to why, in Appendix 1, pg2 (points 1-3) and the paragraph that follows them, how the Well’s Report can definatively say that was the order of testing during halftime. The report itself states there is “uncertainty about the exact order and timing of the other two events.” That would be reinflation and measuring of the Colts footballs.

    There is zero reasoning given as to why the order of events that the report lists happened this way.

    When considering the statements that only four Colts footballs were tested “due to time constraints,” doesn’t it make it then logical that the Colts footballs were tested last? If they weren’t then why isn’t it that only four of the footballs were reinflated? Or better yet.. if the Colts footballs were tested second, why stop at four when it was clear three had already measured low on one of the gauges?

    So what is the reasoning Teddy? Please explain to us why those points are taken as concrete by the Wells Report? And please ensure you read that paragraph after them.

    Just a tip, the longer it took for the Colts footballs to be gauged in comparison to the Patriots equals more time for the Colts footballs to reach “equilibrium” and increase the variance in PSI.

  108. Hey, do you guys remember that time the Cleveland Browns’ GM Ray Farmer had that texting scandal, and the NFL demanded he turn his phone over, and the general public went BANANAS about it and demanded answers? Oh wait…NONE OF THAT happened. Weird….

  109. As for your specious arguement that deflation prevents fumbles, and the pats running stats are proof of inderinflation, explain how the only Pats fumble in the Colts game happened when the balls were “claimed” to be underinflated. Once they were pumped up, for the second half, the Pats never fumbled again despite running it down the colts throats for two quarters.

    For you non-scientistists, correlation does not equal causation. This means that the fumbling stats may correlate with a change in ball preparation, but so does a change in running back. The Pats Oline and runnings changed over the years. What is more likely to change running stats, ball inflation or the running backs themselves?

  110. This is a TEST to see if you are THINKING or just believing the SHIELD.

    TEST:

    FACT # 1.) Goodell hired & paid Well$ MILLION$ for an IMPARTIAL Investigation that reached a predetermined outcome – Guilty verdict for the PATRIOTS, with a Report from Well$ that lacks conclusive evidence to support the outcome and lacks evidence of impartiality – Colts.

    Question : TRUE or FALSE

    Please provide EVIDENCE for your answer.

  111. This is a TEST to see if you are THINKING or just believing the SHIELD.

    TEST 2

    When the PATRIOTS raise the banner as NFL WORLD CHAMPIONS SuperBowl XLIX.

    Will you cry CHEATERS

    YES or NO

    You must provide FACTUAL EVIDENCE for your answer on this one.

  112. I thought Appeals were based only reconsideration of matters of law, not reconsideration of matters of fact.

  113. “What were there, like 5 teams in the league then? Now they can barely win playoff games.”
    ————–

    Clearly you don’t know your history. And…I don’t know how you get to the NFCCG by barely winning playoff games. At least their SB win the last 4 years wasn’t tainted by cheating.

  114. For you non-scientistists, correlation does not equal causation. This means that the fumbling stats may correlate with a change in ball preparation, but so does a change in running back. The Pats Oline and runnings changed over the years. What is more likely to change running stats, ball inflation or the running backs themselves?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You left out the statistical influence that coaching, to correct fumbles, exponentially EFFECTS the statistical equation/analysis and outcome.

  115. I thought Appeals were based only reconsideration of matters of law, not reconsideration of matters of fact.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Goodell & Well$ compromised/altered both – Law & Facts.

  116. “Goodell hired & paid Well$ MILLION$ for the outcome he wanted – Guilty verdict for the PATRIOTS.”

    ————————–
    So what you are a saying is that Goodell who it is well documented as being good friends with Kraft decided that he was going to try to screw over his good buddy just for the heck of it??

    Yes. When you want to have something investigated, you need to pay someone for the work that they are doing. Attorney’s bill by the hour. It isn’t cheap.

    If he hired a bum off the street and didn’t pay him anything, you would be supportive?

  117. Florio is right. The appeal can only consider what has already been presented. No new evidence is allowed. Knowing that and knowing Goodell believes the trash in the Wells report the union should just withdraw the appeal and go straight to court.

  118. “Goodell & Well$ rejected Scientific Evidence, that is indisputable, because it exonerated the PATRIOTS.”
    ————-

    If the scientific evidence exonerates the Patriots, then why were there balls found to be affected significantly more than the Colts were due to the cold weather?

    I don’t expect you to try to answer such a hard question.

  119. Lance Armstrong committed no crime either. Should he be exonerated from cheating? I bet 99% of the people would say no.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    This is LAUGHABLE at best and MORONIC at worst, when ATTEMPTING to Group Brady in with Lance, since the two sports and variables cannot even closely be compared, just as 0.5 psi SCIENTIFICAL NATURAL Deflation cannot even remotely be compared to PED’s.

    But, then, whatever you do – DO NOT THINK.

    It will only get in the way of REASON & LOGIC

  120. Ladies and Gentlemen, the defense rests.

    Why? The haters have succinctly stated their case against Brady in one simple sentence that follows:

    xxxxxxx

    beachsidejames says:
    May 24, 2015 10:28 AM
    In simpler terms the Patriots Suck!

    xxxxxxs

    The haters are slowly coming to the realization that they have no case against Brady, just a witch hunt that is trying to force him into a confession to cover for the NFL. They have finally admitted the Patriots are great by saying they are guilty because they “suck”. It reminds me of when the Frank Herrera character played by Cliff Curtis in “Runaway Jury” finally breaks and admits its just hate that has him voting for the gun makers. Thank you, beachsidejames

  121. “Knowing that and knowing Goodell believes the trash in the Wells report the union should just withdraw the appeal and go straight to court.”
    ————–

    Great idea! By the time it gets to court he will have already served his 4 game suspension.

  122. So what you are a saying is that Goodell who it is well documented as being good friends with Kraft decided that he was going to try to screw over his good buddy just for the heck of it?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Hitler was ‘friends’ with Britian & France – Until he INVADED.

    Many a murderer is ‘friends’ with the victim.

    Please use REASON, LOGIC, SCIENCE & FACTS for your answers.
    Thank You

  123. This is LAUGHABLE at best and MORONIC at worst, when ATTEMPTING to Group Brady in with Lance, since the two sports and variables cannot even closely be compared, just as 0.5 psi SCIENTIFICAL NATURAL Deflation cannot even remotely be compared to PED’s.
    ===========================

    Cheating is cheating. It doesn’t matter by how much or what means. You can’t prove how much or little the PED’s affected Lance’s performance.

    The Patriots and Tommy cheated to get what they perceived to be an advantage. That is all that matters. The rules are there for a reason. Trying to say “But it wasn’t that much….or they didn’t get much of an advantage” is stupid. That’s what you Patsies can’t get through your thick skulls.

    Especially when it is done by a team that has a history of institutional cheating and they refused to stop after the first incident. But I suppose that was all made up as well?

  124. If the scientific evidence exonerates the Patriots, then why were there balls found to be affected significantly more than the Colts were due to the cold weather?

    I don’t expect you to try to answer such a hard question.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Because the FACTS do not support your erroneous statement.

    But, whatever you do, do not read the Well$ report and use REASON, LOGIC & SCIENCE.

    It will only get in the way of your BELIEF.

  125. It is hilarious watching Patriot Nation down vote (en masse) steps that would get to the truth (e.g., posters who want information to come to light) — while also insisting your innocence.

    It doesn’t work that way, folks. You don’t get to hide information, actively and aggressively concealing it at every key turn — while you’re also protesting your “innocence” and how the NFL wronged you.

    Honest, officer — I didn’t do it. Those heads in my freezer are a mystery to me. I won’t share any info with you — just take my word for it. [Yeah, see how that works for you in real life.]

    Unbelievable. You people are sooooooooo laaaaaaame.

  126. Suspend them both for 4 years. The game will be better for it. One less cheater and one less nincompoop running the show.

  127. Because the FACTS do not support your erroneous statement.

    But, whatever you do, do not read the Well$ report and use REASON, LOGIC & SCIENCE.”
    ———————-

    The facts are that the Colts balls were deflated due to weather conditions and science at a much smaller rate than the Patriots. Then there are the text messages. LOL

    Maybe if you type your nonsense enough, you might actually believe it!

  128. Hitler was ‘friends’ with Britian & France – Until he INVADED.

    Many a murderer is ‘friends’ with the victim.

    Please use REASON, LOGIC, SCIENCE & FACTS for your answers.
    Thank You
    ————————————–
    Do you not see the hilarity in your post? Hitler and murders are good examples of Roger huh?

    Patri*t fans are truly delusional…

    Best Regards

  129. This is LAUGHABLE at best and MORONIC at worst, when ATTEMPTING to Group Brady in with Lance, since the two sports and variables cannot even closely be compared, just as 0.5 psi SCIENTIFICAL NATURAL Deflation cannot even remotely be compared to PED’s.

    But, then, whatever you do – DO NOT THINK.

    It will only get in the way of REASON & LOGIC
    ——————————————

    Both Armstrong and your hero Shady CHEATED, so ya they can be grouped together.

    Best Regards

  130. This is a TEST to see if you are THINKING or just believing the SHIELD.

    TEST 2

    When the PATRIOTS raise the banner as NFL WORLD CHAMPIONS SuperBowl XLIX.

    Will you cry CHEATERS

    YES or NO

    You must provide FACTUAL EVIDENCE for your answer on this one
    ———————————
    The FACTUAL EVIDENCE is that your owner ACCEPTED THE PUNISHMENT FOR THE CHEATING.

    Best Regards

  131. Goodell is setting Brady up for a massive fall. There will be no end to the lies Brady will tell and Goodell will note down each one, suspending him for one game per lie. Look for Brady to return someone around 2021.

  132. In the John Grisham book and film I am recommending he write about Deflategate, may I suggest “Presumed Guilty” as a title, I am feeling good about myself for a role similar to the “Runaway Jury” character played by John Cusack, and the haters as the Frank Herrera character(s).

    Yes, I would like Rachel Wiesz to co-star!

    Just like Runaway Jury’s evil character, Rankin Fitch, Goodell can be played by Gene Hackman and Wells can be played by the slug that lied to the mother whose daughter was murdered. The guy that played the CEO of the gun company can play Irsay.

    Grisham, you heard it here first. It will be a best seller and an academy award winner!

  133. Geez. I know you pats apologists keep bringing up Favre but the two are under different “categories”. Brady’s falls under “integrity of the game” which could have an effect on the outcome of the game. Favre displaying his wares in a text did not effect the outcome of a game but just showed his incredible stupidity.

  134. The Colts balls for the most part were sitting in an equipment bag for most of the game as the pats DOMInATED the game & were exposed to the outside elements (cold & wet) much more than the colts balls(sitting in equipment bag) & the PATS balls were measured 1st 13 minutes before the Colts giving the colts balls more time to get warmer in the locker room THUS the psi would be higher compared to the pats…. Not only THAT, no measurements were even recorded!!! The gauges used were disputed … The variables go on & on & on….
    Yeah & text messages in MAY…LOTS of NFL games going on at that time …that’s all you got???!!

  135. Teddy Buy Me a Bruschi, a clear reference to a well-known and respected New England Patriots player.

    Therefore, “it’s more probable than not that he is a Patriots fan.”

    See how that works? Solid for proving guilt isn’t it?

  136. It’s actually pretty simple…he has been found guilty. If he wants an appeal to bend in his favor, then he needs to provide some additional information that actually helps his case. And “additional information that actually helps his case” does not include the cheater’s lawyer’s arguments that are clearly intended to question & corrupt the authority of those ruling on the matter…and effectively made his case (both legal & public) worse rather than better.

  137. It is called institutional cheating. By a team that has a history of it.

    And yes, it obviously did matter before this. If it didn’t, the NFL refs wouldn’t be required to inspect and test the balls before games.
    ———————————————————

    Here is a prime example of someone who doesn’t know how to discern fact from myth. And from that creates a universe to justify their own biases.

    People think Spygate was about illegally taping teams. As if taping them was illegal. WRONG!!! The Patriots were guilty of taping teams knowingly in RESTRICTED zones. The actual fact of taping was not illegal, it was WHERE they were doing it. But boys like this create a story to fit their bias. Its lazy intellect.

    People think Deflategate was about illegally letting air out of balls. As if balls aren’t allowed to be touched by teams. WRONG!! Brady is guilty of being a part of the trifecta that deals with footballs. So if the PSI is off, all three are culpable. He never said to lower it below 12.5PSI. But because he wanted his balls perfect, he became an unwitting associate to the end result.

    A result that seems to be HIGHLY questionable with how the League conducted itself. Nonetheless, in both cases, there was no nefarious acts of deception perpetrated. Infractions and rules were broken. But thats different than CHEATING. Lazy intellect.

  138. There are a lot of holes in the NFL’s process and in their illogic and the how and why they rendered arbitrary punishment.

    Precedent was set twice when the Vikings and a NFL south team were caught tampering with the pressure and the NFL only issued warnings to cease and desist. Then there were the Indy ball boys who ran around openly with their ball needles tampering with their balls and the balls they managed to grab from the other team due to turnovers, kicks and punts. Again, they only got a verbal warning.

    Throw in the chain of custody issues, uncertified and uncalibrated pressure gauges along with the vague and uncertain recollection of which gauge the officials used to pressurized the balls initially and to recheck them, and you have multiple grounds for dismissal of a terrible and incompetent investigation as well as the arbitrary and unstandardized punishment schedule, and you have a Keystone Kops type of organization trying to act as if they are one of the big boys.

  139. Well Hitler was an elected official that ruled with the power of a dictator that delved out punnishment ment as he deemed fit…

    Goodell is an appointed official that has ALL the power of the league decisions when it comes to punishment being delt out in random fashion… Dictator power if there ever was one…

    So yeah, pretty good analogy actually

  140. “The Patriots were guilty of taping teams knowingly in RESTRICTED zones. The actual fact of taping was not illegal, it was WHERE they were doing it. ”
    ————–
    Yes. And the real crux of the punishment was because they were warned and told not to do it, but their arrogance prevented them from heeding the warning.

    And now even after SPYGATE…we see that same arrogance when it comes to breaking the rules. That is why the hammer came down harder.

  141. Actually, no Brady does NOT need to provide additional information.. you obviously didn’t read the article.

    Also, you imply that Brady’s lawyer; because he does his job and “shockingly” will question authority, is therefore “corrupting the authority of those ruling on the matter.” What are you from North Korea or something? Why shouldn’t his attorney question the ruling?

    Frankly, the majority of people here bashing on the Patriots were “more probably than not” bashing Goodell just a year ago.. now the guy is the best ever.

  142. There is a larger lesson in this story.

    What the NFL did happens all too often in criminal prosecutions in this country every day.

    Police and district attorneys target a subject.

    They investigate the subject, not the facts.

    When the facts indicate innocence they ignore the facts. When the conjecture implicates a subjects involvement the run with it.

    They pressure the subject to confess with exorbitant punishment and the prospect of a reduced sentence.

    I hope Brady doesn’t submit, which is what most innocent people do under this much pressure.

    What’s special about this case is that there doesn’t appear to have even been a crime. That’s just sad.
    ——————————————–

    Harsh truth! Never mind your team loyalty, this could be true for ANY one team or individual in the NFL.

  143. “A result that seems to be HIGHLY questionable with how the League conducted itself. Nonetheless, in both cases, there was no nefarious acts of deception perpetrated. Infractions and rules were broken. But thats different than CHEATING. Lazy intellect.”
    ————-

    Knowingly breaking the rules in sports is called cheating. Altering footballs after they are inspected is breaking the rules. Thus it is called cheating.

    Lazy intellect.

  144. And you all laid it on us Saints fans for putting up with this Crud from Park Ave when we got stuck with Bountyscam@.

    Honestly Ginger has to go.

    Too much NFL business and not enough NFL game/analysis going on. It is like Keeping Up with the Roger (directed by Kim – Kardashian or Jong Un? ). lol

    Who Dat. Geaux Saints!

  145. The FACTUAL EVIDENCE is that your owner ACCEPTED THE PUNISHMENT FOR THE CHEATING.
    ——————————————————–

    Categorically inaccurate. Please find in the Wells report the word “Cheating” or in Kraft’s stopping the vitriol?

    Cheating is a word the fans and media run with. There was no cheating in this case. FACT.

    Implied justifications don’t make facts, it only makes fools believe their own truth.

  146. “Frankly, the majority of people here bashing on the Patriots were “more probably than not” bashing Goodell just a year ago.. now the guy is the best ever.”
    —————

    This is stupid. There was some questions about how the Ray Rice thing was handled or if they saw the video or not. But that has no bearing as to Goodell and his handling of the Patriots cheating………..again.

  147. ampats says:
    May 24, 2015 10:16 AM
    By leaking false information from the onset and that what you call probably more than not report to the penalty Roger Goodell Judge,Jury & Executioner has chosen to degrade the very face of the game.
    —————————————————

    So says the man who gleefully played Judge, Jury and Executioner in the case of a certain QB who was never even CHARGED with a crime. So says the man who so sanctimoniously declared his outrage over some perceived “offense” that no facts ever backed — and in fact spoke to its non-existence.

    So is written yet another chapter in the saga of your hypocrisy.

    As I have said, Patriots fans gladly jumped to conclusions and didn’t need “the facts” when it came time to label other teams’ athletes terrible names. But now that it is THEIR player sitting on the hot seat, they get all angry and DEMAND that we apply a different standard, a special standard, for their player. THEY demand we exercise logic and reason, when in fact THEY never did the same when it came time to judge another team’s player.

    You reap now what you have sown. Your QB stands — unlike the other guy you condemned — CHARGED with being a common cheat and dishonoring the very game of football. And you will now enjoy the experience of having OTHERS assume he is guilty simply because he is accused. Taste the bitter fruit of your labor!

    This is the fate of all hypocrites. And like an overly deflated football — this shall not pass.

  148. Your Welcome. Anytime I can help. With people all across the nation coming to understand what a snake cheater Tom Brady really is its sad to see what fools he had made of the Pats fans that have supported him all these years.

  149. Not to worry A QB looking at 40 won’t be around for too much longer.

  150. Ummmm
    Does anyone STILL crying about Spygate understand that Bill admitted to taping from the sidelines after the memo went out to not do that… However it was also stated in that memo it was being enforced so teams couldn’t use the information DURING THE GAME to gain an unfair advantage…Bill being Bill looked at the intent of the letter & interperated it for what it said…he wasn’t filming to use that information during the game as it was being anyway ( film could not collected, dissected & be broken down at the speed of the game being played) as he was not doing that anyway he was just using it later durring the weeks after to analyze & see tendencies used by the team he was playing on different sets of downs & yardage to better understand what they MAY do should they play them OR that coaching staff with another team…that’s what makes Bill well… Bill he interperated the the memo as he saw it written so felt he wasn’t breaking the rules as he wasn’t using the information on GAME DAY so no harm no foul…. That ticked a newly appointed Roger So he took THAT as a direct challenge to HIS AUTHORITY & punished the Patriots very harshly to set an example, as it turns out, of what was to come from mini Hitler ( I’m in charge here ) Goodell…
    The fine was for camera placement in an area where everyone could see the EXACT same thing & just so you all know filming is STILL ALLOWED just from a designated place by NFL…
    All this said, Bill & the Patriots OWNED that entirely but with this new Deflategate they are 100% denying it & RIGHTFULLY SO!!!
    Ok… Do you uninformed haters now understand what Spygate was actually about??

  151. “Categorically inaccurate. Please find in the Wells report the word “Cheating” or in Kraft’s stopping the vitriol?”
    ————-

    Are you kidding me? You Patsies will leave no stone unturned or any technical detail when it comes to trying to defend your team. This one is just pathetic and sad.

    THE ENTIRE REPORT WAS AN INVESTIGATION INTO WHETHER THEY CHEATED OR NOT.

    They don’t have to use the word in the report. The report is just their investigatory evidence. That evidence is turned over to the NFL offices for them to decide if they were guilty of cheating or not.

  152. Cheating is cheating. It doesn’t matter by how much or what means. You can’t prove how much or little the PED’s affected Lance’s performance.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So many ILLOGICAL, UNSCIENTIFIC & EMOTIONALLY GENERATED conclusions here.

  153. “All this said, Bill & the Patriots OWNED that entirely but with this new Deflategate they are 100% denying it & RIGHTFULLY SO!!!”
    ————–

    Explain the text messages about deflation between the 2 stooges. And please for the love of God don’t say it was referring to weight loss.

    Also, please explain why the amount of deflation due to atmospheric weather conditions was much greater in the Patriots balls than the Colts.

    You know you can’t explain either rationally, but it will be fun to see you try.

  154. @ brohamma says: May 24, 2015 1:52 PM

    ==================================

    You’re right, Brady doesn’t “need to” submit additional information…he can certainly choose to accept the punishment already rendered.

    As far as questioning the authority of the Commish, yeah, they can TRY that approach. But it won’t help (which was my point). The Commissioner has retained this authority since 1968 & there is a reason it has been maintained for 47 years…it’s supported in Law. The only way his authority will change is if it is changed within a new CBA. And, trying that approach is recognized by all as having more to do with gaining a different authority than actually proving innocence (which Brady himself doesn’t even claim). Frankly, Brady & his lawyers need to think more about establishing his innocence than attacking other people’s credibility…because that is the ONLY way he doesn’t sit out for the 1st month (and should the whole year).

  155. TEST 3

    When using the word CHEATER(S) & CHEATING.

    Does it apply to your fan favorite Team, Coaches, Personnel, Players ???

    YES or NO

    If you answer NO, Please explain how during every NFL game CHEATING is active and ongoing, some of which is exposed (Penalties) and others that are missed – ‘gotten away with’.

    Yet, there are virtually no multi- million $$$ investigations, and furthermore, you accept it as ‘part of the game’ AND my team or player does not CHEAT even though they were penalized on national television for, (crucial part) – CHEATING.

  156. @ Teddy buy me a BrUschi:

    I already explained the texts.

    They definitely texted about deflating the balls. We get it. It still doesn’t prove there were designs to cheat. There were designs to MAKE SURE THE BALLS WERE AT 12.5, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE BALLS HAD BEEN TESTED AT OVER 16PSI.
    WHY IS THIS SO DIFFICULT FOR HATERS (ESPECIALLY YOU ) TO IMAGINE?
    BECAUSE THEY (you) ONLY WANT TO COME TO A PREDETERMINED OUTCOME OF THE PATRIOTS CHEATING AND NOTHING ELSE.

    to all the haters out there, there is no other possible answer to any of this. It makes you all feel better to knock down the GREATEST MODERN NFL FRANCHISE.

    FACT IS:

    YOU.
    DON’T.
    KNOW.
    WHAT,
    HAPPENED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  157. A * dynasty built on lies and cheating all those *championships and *division titles and all that * berst QB and * best coach talk, all gone to ashes. Poor poor pats fans have to live with the fact they were sold a sham. Time to find anothert team if you want something legit.

  158. To answer a question asked here. Science explains how the Patriots balls def;lated less. Ball pressure and temp are related. See Ideal Gas Law you knuckleheads.

    At halftime the officials measured with 2 guages the Pats balls then reinflated them to 13 or so. If you actually read it they checked 4 Colts balls but ran out of time. Half is 15 minutes. The Colts balls sat there longer in a warmer than field temp room. 15 minutes is more than enough time to make up for the diffence. It’s not just “more probable than not” that the balls sat there in warmer temps than the field. It’s a fact. Unless you haters don’t believe the report. If you dispute what i just told you you are now on our side of the ledger. Not believing that piece of garbage is the only way you can look at it.

  159. @

    “Categorically inaccurate. Please find in the Wells report the word “Cheating” or in Kraft’s stopping the vitriol?”
    _______________________________

    “More likely than not” = “Cheating” in a Court of Law.

    Peace be with you delusional person.

  160. This will have to go to Federal Court with a real Judge to hear all the evidence pro and con. When Brady is exonerated in that trial because of no evidence, it is published in the newspapers, it is NOT the result of Kraft/Goodell relationship, then the whole episode will be revealed as nothing more than an attempt by the NFL and the owners to destroy the Patriots, bring a parity that they somehow could not have happen because of a brilliant coach and a generational field commander in Brady. It is not about winning every year it is about competing on a high level every year. The Patriots have been in the playoffs almost every year of Brady’s career. Apparently the league has a problem with that. The Colts view the Patriots as the unmovable roadblock on their road to the Super Bowl. Mike Florio has seemingly made real objective observations of the evidence and facts of the case and the lack of evidence and culpable facts in this case. I think the only way to rise above the media slander and the kangaroo NFL court system is for a real Federal judge to rule on this. If in fact Brady is guilty then that will be revealed and case is over. One thing to say here, JIM KELLY IS NOT THE FINAL ARBITER ON THIS MATTER. These football ‘greats’ have to weigh in with their perception of fact when the facts are not known that Brady asked that the footballs be deflated BELOW the 12.5 psi legal limit.

  161. I’m a fan of a west coast team so I have no dog in the fight……I personally don’t care if he did or didn’t. I think he did but then I think most QB’s probably have preferences for a tight ball or loose one…..same with batters and bats, golfers with clubs.

    Either way it just doesn’t matter to me.

    So all of that said, what are people going to say when the Patriots win their division again and make the playoffs again? Because you can pretty much rest assure it’s going to happen unless they dig themselves an 0-4 start while he’s out and never catch up.

    Then what will people blame it on?

  162. Teddy Buy Me A Bruschi says:
    May 24, 2015 2:24 PM
    “All this said, Bill & the Patriots OWNED that entirely but with this new Deflategate they are 100% denying it & RIGHTFULLY SO!!!”
    ————–

    Explain the text messages about deflation between the 2 stooges. And please for the love of God don’t say it was referring to weight loss.

    Also, please explain why the amount of deflation due to atmospheric weather conditions was much greater in the Patriots balls than the Colts.

    You know you can’t explain either rationally, but it will be fun to see you try.

    —————————-
    Well, actually, if you scroll up to my post time dated 1:31 pm you’ll see I’ve already done that… Think you can handle that?

  163. Knowingly breaking the rules in sports is called cheating. Altering footballs after they are inspected is breaking the rules. Thus it is called cheating.

    Lazy intellect.
    ———————————————
    Your version of Cheating is defined by Webster’s as “to take something from (someone) by lying or breaking a rule” The Patriots have knowingly taken the Championships 4 times and been close 2 more times by sinister actions.

    The real definition of Cheating in Webster’s is: “to violate rules dishonestly” And to be dishonest is to “use [something] to deceive someone”

    Scenario 1
    Tom:Hey the teacher passed out the list of questions that could be on the test. Can you get me one?

    Buddy #1: Yeah sure, I’ll get it for you.
    BUDDY comes back.
    Buddy #1: Here you go. ((hands you the actual test, but Tom doesn’t know it. He accepts it. He get an A.))

    Scenario 2
    Tom: Hey, I heard the teacher already has the test questions.

    Buddy #1: Yeah he does. I got a friend who can get you it.

    Tom: Don’t tell me what it is, just put it in my locker.
    ((BUDDY gets the test and puts it in the locker. Tom gets an A+))

    Scenario 1: Didn’t ask for the answers but received the answers unknowingly. Cheating? NO. Guilty of committing a rules infraction by accepting ill-gotten property, ABSOLUTELY. Scenario 1 does not constitute cheating. You did not violate rules by using something to deceive someone. You unknowingly received the test when you never asked for it.

    Scenario 2: Implied he wanted answers by any means necessary but didn’t actually do the dirty work. Cheating? Yes!! Scenario 2 DOES constitute Cheating as deception was created by using someone to obtain the test knowingly.

    You want to believe Scenario 2. Wells report doesn’t have a smoking gun so they painted it like Scenario 2. No proof. No consistent data to prove it so. If they painted it like Scenario 1, sympathy would be gained thru the value evidence and no punishment could be had.

    The English Language is a wonderful thing, big boy! You should study it more often.

  164. FACT IS: YOU WOULDN’T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED EVEN IF YOU MADE IT HAPPEN!

  165. Please, will one of the people on here calling Brady a cheater and clamoring for his head on a silver platter, give me a logical explanation why Tom Brady would risk his name, his reputation, his legacy and millions of dollars in endorsement deals just to do something that has been proven to give him absolutely no added advantage. Simply put, is the juice worth the squeeze? Brady trying to cheat by deflating balls by less than .05 psi defies any logic!

    What fans really need to be wondering is, what the heck is going on in the front office of the league and what other irrational behavior has been going on behind the scenes? Are all the games that have had officiating play a hand in the final score really coincidence? What is really the motivational factor for the totally unprofessional behavior by a multi billion dollar business?

  166. ndy79 says:
    May 24, 2015 12:19 PM
    What are they putting into the water in Boston?

    A little something called intelligence which is sorely missing in the rest of this great Country as the Pats haters on this site prove day after day, post after every Pats hating post.

  167. Teddy..
    Patriots Balls: 11 tested
    Colts Balls: 4 tested

    Your science is already tainted with a control not evenly examinable.

    Basic science. You can not make a conclusion when the process is contaminated or down improperly. Science gets thrown out. (WELL, except for you who takes what you want from it and molds it at as proof)

    But if you want to play Mr. Wizard, 3 of the 4 Colts balls were below. For “Integrity Sake” testing the last 7 balls by Indy would only seem logical to truly see if it was just 3 balls or more. What if the Colts had 9 balls under? that would mean 20 of 23 would be lower than league standard of 12.5 PSI.

    How could the league honestly say one team was “Cheating” if both teams had numbers below their “Integrity” line?? Hard to rally the public around such a travesty.

    (wink wink.. I get the convenience of your argument) Sometimes its better to cherry-pick than to actually follow the tedious path of actually looking for “integrity”.

  168. restoreintegritytonfl says:
    May 24, 2015 9:55 AM
    Here’s some new information Roger:

    Patriots (total) fumbles under HC Belichick:
    2000-2006: 1 fumble every 42 touches
    2007-2014: 1 fumble every 74 touches

    The fumbling data is accurate. In 2006, Brady lobbied the league to change the rules for pre-game handling of footballs. In 2007 the Patriots named Jim McNally Locker Room Attendant. It’s also the same year he became “the deflator”.

    ———————————————————————————–
    You do know that these stats include games played outside Gilette stadium where the actual home team is in charge of the footballs untill they end up on The Patriots sideline About 15 minutes before gametime…..

  169. I have to admire people like Warren Moon, Brett Favre, Drew Bledsoe and other players who refuse to convict a person in the court of public opinion when the case against them is non-existent with the evidence that is now known in the Wells report. The report has more holes than Albert Hall. That much is obvious to the real objective observer. This episode has revealed how bereft of integrity the news media (remember when journalist checked their sources and facts before publishing?), the league owners (mafia bosses), the commissioner’s office (mafia enforcers), the blood thirsty masses (irrational haters who need a life), really are. This is not only a stain on the game of professional football (not professional in the conduct of policing the ‘integrity of the game’) but a stain on the nature and quality of the average football fan. The haters have lived up to their image as low IQ raw meat eaters without depth of character. Superficial morons.
    THIS HAS BEEN A REALITY CHECK FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS, THE HATERS, AND THEY HAVE FAILED THE TEST.

  170. Also did you know the Atlanta Falcons (confirmed cheaters) are a bigger statistical outlier among dome teams than the Pats are with outdoor teams? Did you know that the Ravens have fumbled less than the Pats since 2011, and they play outdoors? Did you know the Saints and Colts have outrageously low fumble rates as well since 2007?

    Did you know that good teams fumble less than bad teams? That win percentage and fumbles correlate? Did you know the Patriots lead the league in win percentage since 2001?

    Did you know the Patriots played the Super Bowl with the highest ball scrutiny ever against one of the best defenses ever and did not fumble?
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    This blogger PASSED the TEST.

    He used LOGIC, REASON and FACTS to garner his conclusion.

    Hey StraightFact,
    You won a Free coffee, on me, at Starbucks Denville NJ

  171. If Brady had a shred of dignity he would accept the decision now and avoid future ridicule to he, the Pats organization, and the minions that have distorted views.

  172. No equipment manager for any team at any time is going to do the things that were done here without receiving direction from someone.

    It’s that simple.

    Whether that direction came from Kraft, Belichick or Brady is irrelevant.

    Tha Patri*ts cheated again, got caught and must now pay the price.

    Saying other teams or players did the same thing or even worse is also irrelevant.

    The Patri*ts have put themselves in this position largely on their own. Maybe a team without the history of cheating the Patri*ts have would be worthy of getting the benefit of the doubt.

    The Patri*ts simply aren’t.

  173. According to Pat’s fans : Goodell is useless,others teams fans are haters,losers,butt hurt,other players have broken the rules,PSI this and PSI that,and the funniest one that you Pat’s fans apparently believe is true : “The Deflater” was referring to McNally’s weight – That’s truly hilarious !! Brady did it and was not man enough to admit it in the very beginning.You Pat’s fans blame everything and everyone else except where the blame belongs : BRADY !

  174. Patriots (total) fumbles under HC Belichick:
    2000-2006: 1 fumble every 42 touches
    2007-2014: 1 fumble every 74 touches
    —————————————————–

    Too many variables that need to be considered to say that it is directly to a theory of ball deflation.

    1. Weather
    2. Strength of Schedule
    3. Player Personel
    4. In-game strategy conditions
    5. run:pass ratio

    FACT: after 2006, more teams became heavily pass oriented. Changing they dynamics of fumbling.

    Consider passer ratings. QBs of the 70s threw “a lot” when it was 300 times a year. 500 by the 90s. 650 by 2015. You can not conceivably compare statistics over a period of time in sports because the evolution in the game (short or long) is in constant motion. While your statistics seem impressive in its raw form.. it does not equate to deflating a ball. You need to prove that those other factors were NOT as important statistically.

    Just because you believe it to be so, doesn’t make it so.

  175. Here’s a slice of proof.

    Pittsburgh, a run orient team that is one of the best teams (top 5 winningest teams in the NE Pats Era (2001-15)) was in the middle of the pack in terms of Fumbles.

    NY Giants, a tam that beat NE 2x in the Super Bowl and a top 10 winning team in that era, ranks 25th in fumbles in the same time frame.

    And believe it or not, Jacksonville, a true dog of a team in the last decade, is in the top 10 in least fumbles in the same time frame!

    Not fumbling is a great indicator of winning but it does NOT translate 1:1 directly. This idea that fumbles are a secret clue is ridiculous. STUDY 32 TEAMS!!! not just 1 or two. You’ll find you r Pittsburgh’s and Jacksonville’s not following the trend.

  176. I GUARANTEE that the league will adamantly oppose anyone measuring PSI on the field at halftime of cold games or immediately after the game.
    I also GUARANTEE that the league will, at some point, take footballs inside after a game to warm up, and then measure PSI to show little or no loss of air pressure.
    Maybe they’ll air up at cold temps and then measure after awhile outside.
    Point being, they WILL pull this stunt. And they will suppress anyone who comes forth with their own data.
    Just watch.

  177. Bottom line: Pats cheat, have always cheated & now it’s time to pay up. I’d like to say they will change their ways, but they won’t. They’re not champions–they’re professional, corrupt cheats. End of story.

  178. There is a difference between fumbles lost and fumbles. One is a turn over and one isn’t. Check your numbers again and look at total fumbles. The Patriots are not off the grid on total fumbles.

    For those needing clarification …the better teams in the league win the give away takeaway battle. The fact that when the Patriots fumble they recover them has nothing to do with air pressure and everything to do with coaching. The Patriots have the best coach ever.

    WE WIN AGAIN!!!

    This is too easy. You all should just quit while you are behind.

  179. And the haters continue with the same banter…

    Facts, logic, science, etc do not matter. They hate the Patriots and that’s all that matters. Ignorant blind hate is all it is. I put these haters in the same category as religious fanatics (creationists, isis, taliban, etc…). Must feel great to be held in the same regard as these crazies huh?

    Now please can any one of the haters please answer the question about why there are no videos on youtube that support the theory that cold weather has no effect on a footballs psi level? Please; I have asked the question on multiple threads and I am yet to get an answer. I can only seem to find videos of footballs losing psi when subjected to cold temps.

  180. Teddy Buy Me A Bruschi says:
    May 24, 2015 2:00 PM
    “Frankly, the majority of people here bashing on the Patriots were “more probably than not” bashing Goodell just a year ago.. now the guy is the best ever.”
    —————

    This is stupid. There was some questions about how the Ray Rice thing was handled or if they saw the video or not. But that has no bearing as to Goodell and his handling of the Patriots

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Is it? You don’t have any questions about how this is being handled do you? Why? Because it deals with the team that you are so envious of? And of course it has bearing, he is meting out discipline and the “Ray Rice thing” is a small part of his notorious track record which has caused uproar without end. My point is, it’s so ironic that now all the haters think he is the best.. when it fits your agenda.

    Let me ask you and all the others.. please give me the page number where it definatively is proven that Brady ordered the footballs to be tampered with. Also, tell me the page number that I can find where it definatively is proven that McNally supposedly deflated the footballs.

    I eagerly sit, with my well-thumbed copy of the Wells Report, awaiting your page number.

  181. No matter the outcome of this it will always be part of Tom Brady’s legacy. For generations when Brady’s name is mentioned in any context the word cheater will always surface.

  182. Not a Pats fan, but don’t think they cheated to get all the wins they have gotten. Brady will be playing Week 1

  183. Lol i wonder if idiot Goodell even read any of the report. His penalties totally contradict Wells executive summary on page 3 that states “we doBot believe there was any wrongdoing or knowledge of wrongdoing by Patriots ownership, Head Coach Bill Belichick or any other Patriots coaches in the matters invesitgated.”

    Yet clownshow Goodell fines the Patriots $1 million and docks them a 1st and a 4th round draft pick.

    Does this make sense to anyone with a brain? Me neither

  184. What’s confusing about this? This is all part of the quid pro quo agreement between Goodell and Kraft to have Brady’s suspension reduced if Kraft catered to the PR sham by dropping his fight over the teams penalties. The next thing we can expect is to hear Goodells poor explanation about how they needed to “get this thing right” and how the “new information” helped to ensure that. Brady’s suspension will be reduced because Goodell is in Krafts pocket, period. The NFL is sickening and flat out insulting to tell you the truth. I can say that I had the choice to purchase MLB or NFL tix this year and I chose Dodgers vs Giants. I’m so sick of the way Goodell has ruined my favorite sport. It is truly depressing. I can’t get myself to pay for this garbage when you don’t know what is real or what is staged. Thank you Rodger Goodell and Kraft for destroying football.

  185. Do you think Tom Brady cares what fans of teams he has shredded over the years think about him?

    Only fools would think that after he beats you down that fans from other teams would say “We love that guy”.

    Lotsa fools around here.

    Tom will be ok trust me.

    He gets to look at 3 MVP trophys and 4 SB rings and the cherry on top

    Gisele!!!

    You guys all are doing exactly what those on the other end of the merciless beatdowns should be doing. Whining because your teams aren’t good enough and accusing because they nevber will be good enough.

    Pats fans are doing what we should be doing. Spit polishing the Lombardi’s and pushing them in your faces.

    Bring it on!!

  186. This report is a flat out joke. Wells doesnt even know what each and every ball measured at before the game so he just assumes that they were all at 12.5. Lmao. Thats a pretty big assumption considering you dont even know the answers.

    And this clown shows 2 different results for 2 different measurements from Blakeman and Prioleau. The results arent even consistent. Some vary by .30 some by .65. Which disproves his assumption that all the balls started at 12.5 This clown probably made up every single result. There are major flaws in the testing and the assumptions.

    And idiot Goodell paid $5 million for this flawed, joke of a report. Lmao. Stupid is as stupid does

  187. Let’s hear from the haters. If you have read the whole Wells report and the whole Patriots response please identify yourself.

    If you haven’t, you are the equivalent of the kid in high school who has an opinion about the reading material he didn’t read.

    I have read both reports and the exhibits.

  188. Teddy..
    Patriots Balls: 11 tested
    Colts Balls: 4 tested
    ————-
    And the average difference between both teams balls in terms of deflation was significantly different. If you tested 11 vs. 1 you might have a valid argument.

  189. Whether BRADY did or did not have the footballs deflated to 12.5 psi is as significant as 0.5 psi is to a 28-0 Blow Out and BREAKING NFL PASSING RECORDS by BRADY in SuperBowl XLIX.

    What is of MONUMENTAL SIGNIFIGANCE is the SCANDALOUS Method used by Goodell. A PROSECUTORIAL Investigation with a PRE-DETERMINED OUTCOME while stating on National TV that he hired & implemented an IMPARTIAL investigator. for an IMPARTIAL investigation.
    Yet, what Well$ and his Report FACTUALLY PROVED was – NO EVIDENCE to pass conclusive violation, Rejecting Factual SCIENTIFIC Evidence that exonerates Brady, Rejecting Factual Scientific Evidence that IMPLICATES the Colts and zero EVIDENCE of any IMPARTIALITY with zero investigation into the Colts as well as the Refs handling/procedure of footballs as it pertains to a complete failure of CREDIBLE/RELIABLE/UNBIASED measuring, recording and methodolgy by the Refs in ATTEMPTING to validate Rule 17.

    This is ARROGANCE HATE INJUSTICE WITCH HUNT & AUTHORITATIVE ABUSE all found in one individual that has used the POWER of his position along with a HIGHLY UNETHICAL News Media to promote his Agenda by spreading FALSE & INFLAMMATORY statements that are communicated as actual facts.

    WHY ? – So that, You, the Sheeple, will BELIEVE what you are fed and regurgitate it publicly as you have be taught by the news media.

    It is an INSULT & ASSAULT on FAIRNESS, TRUTH, LOGIC, SCIENCE, REASON & BALANCED UNBIASED JUDGEMENT.

  190. Lol. Mike Kensil probably ordered the refs to overinflate the balls for Brady to almost 16 psi when the Jets played Patriots in Oct. 2014. To the text above in question

    Sounds like the cheater to me is Mike Kensil former Jet employee.

    And it obviously didnt affect Brady he only threw for 3 TDs and 0 INTs and 261 yds.

    Which begs the question about the NFL trying to doctor the results of games according to point spread. Curious considering Patriots only beat the Jets 27-25 in the Oct 2014 game in New England. I wonder what the line in that game was.

    But the NFL doesnt cheat and wants to distance themselves from gambling right. Sounds like i have thought all along the fix the games to desired teams covering through the Refs.

  191. Check the fumbles; yoy don’t cut fumbles in half magically upon the passing of the rule.

    The Pats have been cheating since Belichick arrived.

    What Goodell means is this; if Brady tells the real story – you know, the one that includes Belichick being in this up to his eyeballs – then Brady will get the portion of the suspension related to non cooperation will be waived.

    And Belichick will be suspended for a year.

  192. Just as i suspected, the Patriots were 9.5 point favorites in the Oct. 2014 game vs the Jets.

    But the NFL doesnt fix games according to the point spread right. There is evidence right there that they do.

  193. “The Colts balls for the most part were sitting in an equipment bag for most of the game as the pats DOMInATED the game & were exposed to the outside elements (cold & wet) much more than the colts balls(sitting in equipment bag) & the PATS balls were measured 1st 13 minutes before the Colts giving the colts balls more time to get warmer in the locker room THUS the psi would be higher compared to the pats….”

    ——————-
    This is ridiculously stupid, even for a Pats fan. The balls were measured in the locker room 3 HOURS before kickoff.

    The biggest impact is in deflation is going from room temperature to outside and it happens almost immediately per the gas law. Whether they are in a non-insulated bag or on the field, the PSI is not going to vary by much at all. It’s the significant drop going from 70 degree locker room outside where it is 40+ degrees cooler.

    You clowns are really embarrassing yourselves.

  194. “This report is a flat out joke. Wells doesnt even know what each and every ball measured at before the game so he just assumes that they were all at 12.5. Lmao. Thats a pretty big assumption considering you dont even know the answers.”
    ————

    That is actually giving the Patriots the benefit of the doubt since it is at the very lowest possible end that would have been allowed by the refs during inspection.

  195. You sad sack haters really think the difference between The Patriots and your team is cheating?

    You are as stupid as your owner, your coaches and your players.

    I wonder if Goodell and Vincent have read the whole report or the whole rebuttal. And I know for sure you haters haven’t.

  196. Using the same flawed logic and laughable “lack of evidence”……I assume that every single Patriots fan believes Aaron Hernandez is innocent.

    Why no #FREE HERNANDEz rally’s???

  197. FACT IS:

    YOU.
    DON’T.
    KNOW.
    WHAT,
    HAPPENED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    WE ALL KNOW TOM DEFLADY HAD HIS FOOTBALLS DEFLATED BEFORE WHO KNOWS HOW MANY FOOTBALL GAMES FOR THE LAST DECADE.

    WHEN YOU ARE TAKING PSI OUT OF FOOTBALLS THATS CHEATING TO GAIN AN EDGE! END OF STORY.

  198. Teddy Bruschi:

    If they dont know what they started at they dont know for sure the amount of the deflation.

    I know for damn sure all balls didnt start out all at 12.5. Thats impossible consideri g they never took measurements

  199. steelcurtainn says:
    May 24, 2015 5:25 PM

    FACT IS:

    YOU.
    DON’T.
    KNOW.
    WHAT,
    HAPPENED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    WE ALL KNOW TOM DEFLADY HAD HIS FOOTBALLS DEFLATED BEFORE WHO KNOWS HOW MANY FOOTBALL GAMES FOR THE LAST DECADE.

    WHEN YOU ARE TAKING PSI OUT OF FOOTBALLS THATS CHEATING TO GAIN AN EDGE! END OF STORY.

    AGREED!

    Deflating balls also reduces fumbles so it has a HUGE impact on the game.

    Kind of like the Steelers popping steroids like morning vitamins up until their doctor Rydze got hauled off and they stopped winning in the playoffs.

  200. Measurements were NOT recorded before the game… Wells is assuming ALL balls were set at 12.5 psi for BOTH teams… The Colts could have been actually a little higher say even .40 psi as poised to the patriots…to ASSUME they were all the exact same is…moronic…
    We already know Brady likes his balls set to 12.5 Psi but what of the Colts?… 12.75…13.0.. 13.25…. That ALONE could account for the difference in PSI between the 2 teams… BUT because they were NEVER recorded there’s no way to KNOW!!!
    When they were measured by at 1/2 time ( depending on which gauge was used) they ALL fell within the standards of Ideal Gas Law… But Wells throws out the BEST RECOLLECTION of the ref because that gauge didn’t support his conclusions!!!
    ALSO….they FOCUSED on all the Pats balls 1st while the Colts balls sat in warm locker room for 13 additional minutes DIRECTLY effecting the PSI level in them to go up… Wells only measured 4 balls of the colts as he said they ran out of time… ALL his findings are SKEWED…. You can’t
    1.NOT record the Psi levels of all balls & just assume they were all the same… Entire case null & void now
    2.have a variable of 13 minutes to compare PSI from one team to the other
    3. Throw out the refs best recollection on which gauge he used as it doesn’t meet the criteria you need & just use the other gauge because that “WORKS BETTER” to match you conclusions
    4.test all Patriots balls but only 4 of the colts & then take averages based on those findings… Totally unethical in statistical analysis

    There are SO many more issues but I’m tired of PROVING you ring with FACTS & LOGIC…

    If you’d open your eyes & mind instead of your mouth you might actually see something for what it TRULY is…

    A little more TRUTH for you… Pats are Super Bowl 49 Champs & no matter how much you prove yourself incompitant for being fair & just NOTHING can change that!!!

  201. Lmao. Heres a $1 buy a clue on the fumble argument. In the Patriots v Jets Oct. 2014 game, per the Wells report, refs inflated the footballs to 16 psi.

    Guess how many fumbles the Patriots had? ZERO.

    Go back to your flawed arguments morons.

    And no Im not a Patriots fan. Stupid people like Goodell and Wells and alot of you in here make me laugh at how dumb u are.

  202. Teddy, you honestly haven’t read the Wells Report at all have you? I mean seriously, have you read even.. let’s just say 20 pages?

    The major point throughout Exponent’s appendix 1 is how long the delay was in measuring the Patriots footballs after they returned to the warm environment of the locker because it has a major impact on the PSI. The Wells Report says specifically, that if testing of the Patriots footballs happened within 2-3 minutes of entering the locker room then the recorded numbers CAN BE RECREATED. It is a critical part and very important for them to show that it took awhile for the measuring to have happened.

    The equipment bags were NOT factored into any calculations. This is a huge oversight due to their insulating property and thus the fact that the 2-3 minute window now gets pushed to a 3 to possibly 5 minute one.. THAT would sink the “inexplicable variance.”

    Warm to cold and the PSI drops, cold to warm and it rises. The Wells Report hinges on “variance.” Example, Patriots footballs measured and then all reinflated then the Colts balls measured.. the amount of time till the Colts are measured impacts the variance since the colts footballs have longer to reach equilibrium.

  203. O my. I have some new information for you Goodell and it has nothing to do w Tom Brady. Your league fixes games according to spreads.

    Gee how ironic Bill Leavy, roided up freak,mascara wearing ref just recently “retired” gee how convenient since he was the ref of the Jets v Patriots game in Oct. 2014 when the refs inflated the footballs to almost 16 psi.

    Hmm the line on that game was 9.5 and Patriots only won by 2.

    Can you say the NFL fixed the betting outcome of that game? Theres the proof

  204. Breaking news!!!

    The Patriots are the best team in the NFL for the last 14 years.

    For that matter they are the best team in all of professional sports during that time frame.

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

  205. Exponant, the lab that Wells PAID to justify his findings/conclusions ALSO did a report for the Tabacco companies to back their claims that second hand smoke DOES NOT contribute or cause lung cancer…even a person with 1/2 a brain stem knows THAT is pure crap… Point being studies can be skewed to reach any result if that’s what the customer PAYING for the results he needs them to say….WELLS PAID Exponant like the tabacco companies did… Do you see the flaw in that process???

  206. And the average difference between both teams balls in terms of deflation was significantly different. If you tested 11 vs. 1 you might have a valid argument.
    ——————————————
    HAhahahahahahahhaa
    3 of the 4 balls were UNDER for the Colts.

    Secondly, nice Try, Mr. Wizard. The only valid way to have concrete proof is to have a the same test for every ball.

    What kills your credibility is that you would be outraged if it were the other way around. If they only measured 4 Patriot Balls and they averaged lower than the Colts but the Colts had 11 balls under the the “Integrity” line.

    You see Teddy boy, your bias is exposed. Its not about the Integrity of the game like the NFL wants to sell you. Its about trying to justify your hatred and distain for the Patriots. Now you think you have a reason why they’ve won ALL those years. It all makes sense. The “Integrity” you just glossed over. not a concern at all for the 3 balls by the Colts being under. FACT! don’t you want to know how many more balls they had under-inflated??

    My guess big boy is that you don’t care. Its about “Gotcha” politics. And that discredits your argument. Come to the table with “integrity” talk and then we can really talk about how that didn’t happen.

    4 vs. 11 and you are prime to call that legit science testing? Basic, dude. You can’t even agree to a basic practice! You’re a joker.

  207. I do this for a living.

    There is no way a fair, intelligent, and independent arbitrator does not overturn this decision on appeal.

    The only way the NFL and Goodell wins the appeal is by stonewalling, controlling the verdict, and somehow keeping a court from taking the case and/or a defamation suit.

    “More probably than not” real experts will destroy the Wells report. They have had time to deconstruct it. It has more leaks than the NFL offices in New York.

    If I was counsel to Goodell, I would be trying to cut a deal with Brady and the Patriots that ends his suspension, overturns the fine and returns the draft picks to the Patriots, admits that on further inspection a “more probable than not” verdict is not supported by the facts, and get full and mutual releases from all parties.

    We will see if my advice was prudent or not in due time.

  208. Hey kissbillsrings,

    Mr. Well$ has a question for you –

    ‘ What is STATISTICAL ANALYSIS ??? ‘

    LMAO

  209. Tom thought instead of owning up he’d stonewall the investigation then lie about the whole thing and drag it out making his fans look like idiots.

  210. We can all agree that Goodell, Well$ & the Haters gave us some of the best material to bust a gut on.

    I have been laughing for weeks now – love it.

  211. Brady has a minimum of 3-5 years left..& that’s being very conservative…I mean he JUST won the SUPER BOWL…

  212. At this point, it actually doesn’t matter what the pressure of the balls, before, during, or after the game.

    There were enough questions about what was happening to investigate further. So an investigation was launched.

    When that happened, there were some questionable behavior that was found (which later caused people to be fired by the Patriots).

    Once they had some evidence from some of the people involved, they wanted to complete it (or see where it ended). Brady wouldn’t allow that.

    The text of the punishment clearly stated that his lack of cooperation here had an effect on the outcome. That’s why things are where they stand today.

    Here’s the thing: I could care less if he wanted his footballs deflated. He’s a competitive guy, and so are a lot of other QB’s, and I really don’t care. If he said, “yea, I did it”, from the get-go, my opinion of him would have gone up.

    If he didn’t do it, then I have no idea why he’s taken the route that he has. He’s put his teammates, coach, owner, and fans in a bad spot.

  213. beachsidejames says:
    May 24, 2015 6:47 PM
    Tom thought instead of owning up he’d stonewall the investigation then lie about the whole thing and drag it out making his fans look like idiots.

    Dude definitely didn’t read the report or even has partial understanding of facts. CLASSIC Hater.

    At least try to learn something before commenting; it would help your credibility at least.

  214. Just so you know, the liability protection that Goodell and the NFL expects from the CBA does require that he/it acted in good faith. His/their lawyers will certainly claim that he/they did but there is too much proof that he/they didn’t.

    1. Leaks from day one that went unmitigated.

    2. A smear campaign against Brady from day one of the investigation.

    3. Cooking and creating the evidence.

    4. Cover up of actions by the NFL and their friends/business partners in the media

    5. Excessive penalties enacted in an attempt to coerce the target of the investigation to confess.

    6. Owners stating publicly that Brady deserved and received a higher penalty because he defended himself.

    7. Clear damage to Brady and the Patriots that will be estimated in excess of $200MM.

  215. Tom “THE CHEATER” Brady. One hit away from retirement. A QB that can’t run looking at 40.

  216. Maybe a court case on live tv so we can see Tom lie everyday. That should help close out his career. Btw..tell me how great Garapolo and the guy behind him is again. That should funny.

  217. Mbar.. you make a logical fair point but let me counter that with this.

    If you’re the NFL, why would you go public to promote your league is about integrity and that its important that you get it right with that investigation, THEN..

    1. Allow a high ranking official F-bomb blast the Patriots on the Sideline without reporting it accurately.
    2. Have Dean Blandino publicly state he had no knowlwdge of any advance notice of the issue and the Wells report stated he was one of several figures to know that Friday afternoon?
    3. Show in the report that the conditions in which the Halftime testing was improvised horribly YET was considered soldier evidence to pursue more investigation?
    4. Have multiple looks at the stadium, multiple interviews with dozens of people, request several phones from several people all in compliance, yet report that Stephen Gostkowski declined to give his phone to Wells, a clear and blatant violation of the CBA that requires punishment, yet has not fined or suspended by the NFL in the Punishment Phase?
    5. Why, if “Integrity” was paramount to League’s sole purpose for the investigation, not further test the Colts balls, or take random samples of other games to submit a baseline expectation? If the standard was so important, then shouldn’ there be a code of conduct expected in the process?
    6. If the team generated some evidence to refute some of the allegations, wouldn’t it be advantageous as a non-partial investigator to accept all evidence given and weigh them equally? The Patriots submitted a game where the “integrity” was violated by league officials during the Jets game. 16.0PSI some 2.5lbs over League maximum. It would seem to me the “Integrity” of the leagues rules were being violated, giving an unfair disadvantage to a team. Equal playing field for competition is the goal.

    You see, I don’t care if Brady was unknowingly culpable for demanding his footballs to remain 12.5PSI. He put himself into a hornet’s nest by doing so. I also think, the League is just as culpable for not recognizing its own role in the bumbling or the lack of protocol that was revealed.

    The punishment does NOT fit the crime based on the evidence at hand. Punitive punishment is precious but is not warranted because the issues were vastly different. The expectations the Patriots would cooperate was met and exceeded until the very end when Wells was asking for 5th interview. He was fishing for something that was not relevant to the case. He was fishing because he dint have the smoking gun as he was asked to find. He was asked to find because there was never a “integrity investigation”. This was about trying to back engineer a bungled opportunity to get the Patriots. They aren’t liked by many. They rubbed the NFL wrong with them mocking them with their own rule book the week before. They are arrogant and smarmy. Their coach is difficult and their fans are insufferable.

    This was never about deflated balls. This was a loop hole to show up that organization and let them know who really RUNS the NFL. I don’t think Goodell was fixing it. I think his genius was pragmatic when the Patriots resisted in the Press Conference. He saw his own out. Politics. You can have 5 truths at once and none of them intertwine into a singular reality. But the fact is, this case became a game for rich men to power play one another. A simple overlooked aspect of the overall protocol has become TREASON. For what? It just depends on what the motivation is….

  218. According to Goodell, Brady is guilty as charged, so why would he be asking for the text messages unless there was some doubt in his mind that perhaps the loss of pressure was due to atmospheric conditions and not intentional deflation? Brady shouldn’t have to prove his innocence anyway, the burden of proof should be on the NFL, and since an independent law firm couldn’t find that proof after 103 days investigating, the whole thing should have been dropped. If Goodell was a man, he would have said that the data was inconclusive and the charges dropped, but this was never about being fair.

  219. “If he didn’t do it, then I have no idea why he’s taken the route that he has. He’s put his teammates, coach, owner, and fans in a bad spot.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It is a CONTROL ISSUE that has far reaching implications in the minds of the General Public.

    Goodell & the NFL (NYC) represent POWER, CONTROL and along with the news media are the modern version of OR_WELL$ 1984.

    BRADY & the PATRIOTS represent how this country started – The REVOLUTION – Boston Tea Party REVOLTING against Authoritarian Rule that condones itself as being INFALLABLE.

    There are Powers that Be which are greater then us mere humans.

    Have you ever considered WHY the PATRIOTS & GIANTS met two times in the SB during Presidential Election Years ????

    Do you understand the significance of that symbolism and what the message was that was broadcast on GLOBAL TV to the entire WORLD ???

    Right now Goodell & the News Media have you believing that the PATRIOTS represent the Evil Empire.

    It is the complete opposite however as we are living in the Days that THEY will call GOOD -EVIL, and call EVIL – GOOD.

    THEY are manipulating YOU ( the General Public ) and your PERCEPTION of REALITY.

    THEY do not want you to rely on Logic, Reason, Factual Analysis, Science and TRUE Judgment.

    Just feed off of what they tell you to accept & believe.

  220. CLASSIC 4 game suspension…CLASSIC HATER of CHEATING and REPEAT OFFENDERS…CLASSIC

  221. beachsidejames says:
    May 24, 2015 7:26 PM
    Tom “THE CHEATER” Brady. One hit away from retirement. A QB that can’t run looking at 40.

    Well when you can read. & understand a defense as fast as he can & can throw the ball as accurately as he can with a very fast release as well as study film, eat extreemly well, take care of your body, train relentlessly, & motivate teammates to play at their highest potential as a leader, have some of the best pocket awareness in the league, absolutly loves his job & has the best coach in the league I’d say not running & taking unnessasary hits will only ADD to his career longevity… Could be wrong but hey so could you…

  222. The longer this plays out the worse the NFL(league office) & Goodell/Wells looks….
    He will most defiantly give Brady FULL EXONERATION as he really can’t afford for this to go to court & an independent party…. THAT would be probably one of the most embarrassing spectacles to hit the system in AGES….

    I have said from day 1 this will try to be spun as a failure to fully cooperate with a league investigation as opposed to the PSI issue… However, now, that won’t even fly….Kraft let Roger dig the hole now Brady can bury him in it….

    Brady is a FIERCE competitor & now his integrity & legacy has been smeared & called into question….Brady has the support of the NFLPA as well as some of the best lawyers money can buy…. There’s now blood in the water. & Bradys team is a school of HUNGRY SHARKS getting ready to feast!!!

  223. Oh James, your envy is precious. You don’t carry much weight when it comes to intellect but at least you wear your team colors with defiant pride.

    CLASSIC.
    CLASSIC.
    CLASSIC.

    😉

  224. Guys and gals, this is actually a pretty important event being discussed. Its not about a game or the game or the shield. It is about a man’s life and the lengths he feels he has to go to make his father proud. We are potentially witnessing the complete breakdown of a man, Roger Goodell. Check the history, you’ll see I am right. Roger’s father was destroyed politically by his own party for standing up for what he believed to be right. And Roger has said his father never recovered from it.
    I believe that neither has Roger. And rather than simply doing what’s right with integrity, as his father believed he did by his action, Goodell has decided to do whatever it takes to not be dismissed from the NFL as his father was from politics.
    But it will happen. Tom Brady will go to whatever legal lengths it requires to get the job done. If he yells and screams at his offensive line while on camera because they missed their assignment, well that’s what he does. If he chastises his receivers because they missed their route, well that’s what he does. And when he messes up a play, he rips on himself worse than anyone else would, because that’s what he does. And when his teammates ignore his highfives because they still feel the sting of his repremend, he accepts the public humiliation that trends on YouTube and goes right back to it cause that’s what he does. And that’s why his legal team will take this to court. Its the only route that Goodell has left him. And declining to appeal the team penalties was the only route that was left for Mr. Kraft to pursue. And silently acknowledging that this is the only way that The Shield can be protected long term ie by Brady taking the NFL and Goodell to court, is the most expedient option left for all 32 owners to get rid of Goodell. That ball is in motion and was sent in motion by Goodell.
    The sad thing is he thinks this would have made his father proud ie taking a tough stand and sticking to it. But his father would be disappointed because he is standing behind a position that appears to be popular but lacks integrity. And that will be feretted out in court.
    His father would never have supportd that. I didn’t know his father. But based on his reputation of standing firm for integrity, I believe the man whose achievements his father would have fought on behalf of is Mr. Kraft, who served as Roger Goodell’s mentor. And I also believe that both Mr. Kraft and Mr. Charles Goodell would be disappointed with how Roger has squandered this opportunity. I only hope that Roger is half the man his father was and gets the help to rebuild after this whole mess comes crashing down on him. A pity really. Another wasted talent lost because he wasn’t able to admit he was wrong.
    And Brady? Don’t be surprised if he donates whatever he wins in court to charity. Its not about the money for him. Its his integrity.

  225. What might have happened is Goodell found out more dirt and wants to see Brady face to face and have him explain himself.

    The warming up of footballs thing:
    Have a look at the last balls measured. If there was anything to that these balls would show it.

    They don’t ….
    The last Colts ball measured was the lowest.

    Or for pats conspiracy nuts who somehow have drawn a conclusion that the Colts balls don’t exist.

    The 10/11th pats ball measured was the lowest.

    The ball boys claim that it was the refs that had some effects on over inflation.

    Well we are to believe these ball boys claims. Because after all the refs were texting each other about over inflation and blackmailing QB’s if they don’t get their way.

  226. I think the NFL has come up with the perfect excuse to become a pathological liar.

    “I’m not lying, I’m protecting the integrity of my life.”

  227. QUESTION: Why didn’t Brady give up his phone?

    ANSWER: my best educated guess is that after sitting there for 5 1/2 hrs answering EVERY question fully he started to see a pattern of Wells team trying to presume guilt instead of just collecting information as he was led to believe an independent report was suppose to do… I’m sure that being the cerebral intellect that Brady is, he saw the bias in the form of questioning & realized exactly what Wells was trying to do & in realizing that, he drew the line with the phone knowing anything he turned over would be twisted & taken out of context just like the two other ball guys words were….Has anyone out there really read the report??
    Whatever exonerates the Patriots organization is dismissed as not credible or if it refutes the scientific findings that nothing unethical happened it’s dismissed to meet A pre determined conclusion that something dastardly was done though no proof or facts point to that outcome…. It’s Obvious Wells had an agenda to find guilt on behalf of the client (NFL) & NOT act as an independent collector of information to turn over to the League for review without bias or skewed conclusions…
    So, Basically, if it didn’t point towards guilt it was twisted to look that way with the end result being that after 3+ MONTH investigation an best case cenerio outcome of “more probable than not”….
    Brady saw where this was headed & he KNEW that Wells& his team was on a mission not to independently collect information so he said NO!!! You’re not giving me a feeling your being trustworthy to be unbiased in your fact finding & analysis & as it turns out, he was 100% correct about that!!!
    In addition, As well, Wells already had the other guys phones & the league was leaking stuff left & right whether it was accurate or not & (as we all now know, it was mostly not)!!!
    Hope that answers why!!

  228. Why is it than whenever someone reports objectively on this subject, one of three outcomes happens:
    1. The NFL is shown to be engaging in some kind of misconduct or dishonesty.
    2. Information is shown that points towards exoneration of Brady and the Patriots.
    3. Both 1 and 2.
    #Integritymatters

  229. James, then you DEFINITELY sound like an anxious man. all that winning being thrown in your face. I’m assuming your team loses to them on the regular. Enough where it’s so damn difficult to even gloat for a while. Watching them in January EVERY year. Why are they the only team to get there year after year after year…..??

    Bills fan? Jets Fan? Dolphin Fan barely shows up to watch the games, can’t be them.

    Or is it a rival that can’t seem to have their number: Colts fan, Steelers fan, maybe a Ravens fan.

    Which is it?

  230. The Wells report isn’t credible, it draws a conclusion contrary to the science.

    If I was Brady I’d let the appeal process conclude then I’d take the NFL to court and I’d subpoena Roger Goodell’s cell phone.

    The balls weren’t missing air. The league told the Patriots they had made a preliminary determination of guilt the day after the AFC Championship.

    The reality is, the league officials weren’t aware that balls air pressure changes with temperature. Instead of just saying so when they were educated about this, they are trying to steam roll a punishment to try to prove they are tough.

    The problem is, there isn’t any cheating and as soon as an independent arbiter looks at it, the NFLs case is done.

  231. Matty whats precious will be watching Tom sit out the 1st four games….CLASSIC!

  232. With that bye week in week 3 that should help Tom get all rested up for game 4’s bench sitting. How you doing Matty?

  233. Lets take a look at how mostly irrelevant PSI pressure is in a football and a QB’s performance:

    Oct. 2014 Refs intentionally put PSI in footballs at almost 16 per Jastremski’s text in Wells Report

    Brady 261 yards passing 3 TD 0 INT, 0 FUMBLES

    2nd Half v Colts with allegedly properly inflated footballs in AFC championship game

    Jan. 18, 2015 Brady 2 TD 0 Int 121 yards passing

    Feb 2, 2015 with properly inflated footballs
    Brady 328 yards passing 4 TDs 2 Ints and 0 Fumbles

    If Brady was cheating his performance would have suffered dramatically. If you are a cheater and you know a huge advantage is taken away from you, it would mess with your mind and your performance would deteriorate substantially

  234. Quite a turn out at the Free Tom Brady Rally today. All of about 150 people.

  235. Someone said Goodell is in over his head as commissioner. Nothing could be more true. I think Elks and Knights of Columbus meetings are conducted with more competency, intelligence and integrity. Not one shred of evidence has been presented that shows Brady asking that the balls be either below or above the league specs. Yet a punishment is rendered. Defies logic. It is as if the Wells report was ignored and punishment was rendered because the NFL wanted punishment rendered. Don’t they realize that their own jealousy, insecurity and disdain are only hurting themselves. Why do they want to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs because they can’t stand success???? Brady will succeed like a tsunami going over an ant hill!!!!!

  236. One thing that’s obvious at this point:

    Patriots fans love Tom Brady. They love him.

    It reminds me of certain parents who love their kid too much. I’m sure you all know the type. Whenever their kid is accused of something, they say it’s not fair, blame everyone else, point out others who have done the same thing (while somehow still contending that they did nothing wrong…), and go into bouts of speculation to try to spin things in the best possible way for their case.

  237. 150 is actually pretty dang good turnout considering where Gillette stadium is located…& it being Memorial Day weekend & all…
    But better yet it got GREAT EXPOSURE…. After all you not only heard about it your commenting about it… All & all I’d say Mission accomplished!!

  238. Mike Florio said: For all appeals that aren’t “de novo,” the record of evidence becomes frozen in place when the appeal commences. Which means that, unless the appeals officer is starting from scratch, no new evidence should be considered. Which makes one of the comments this week from Commissioner Roger Goodell confusing, to say the least.

    —————————————————————

    While I agree with most of the article, you are in error here. In appeals that are not de novo re-hearings, there are actually four different possible grounds for appealing, depending on the jurisdiction. These include:

    – Unsupported Conclusion (the facts don’t support the finding)
    – New Evidence (that could not have been presented at the time of the original finding)
    – Procedural Error/Bias
    – The sanction (or penalty) is disproportionate to the finding

    Based on these, the NFLPA could make a compelling case under each criterion. New evidence is actually the weakest argument, yet it is the one the league could (but won’t) use to back its way out of a mess of its own creation.

  239. raidermike says:
    May 24, 2015 9:52 AM
    answer me this:

    1. Why hasn’t Tom Brady cooperated in the investigation and answered questions and provided exculpatory evidence? (becasue there is none)

    2. Why did Tom become BFF’s with the two ball boys involved AFTER he was under investigation? (cover up)

    3. Why has Brady not presented one single piece of evidence that would prove his innocence? (he doesn’t have any)

    4. Why can’t Patriot fans get beyond the psi level of the balls? This has nothing to do with what level of psi was in the balls and has everything to do with arrogant, elitist, entitled, self-righteous Tommie Brady OBSTRUCTING AN INVESTIGATION BECAUSE HE THINKS HE IS BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE. (image tainted FOREVER)

    Jeez, people, get a clue for once !! Patriots legacy tainted FOREVER.

    ————————————-

    1. He doesn’t have to. There is a presumption of innocence in this country and therefore it’s up to the NFL to prove Brady’s guilt. What inculpatory evidence did the Wells Report yield? Zero. Only some texts with explanations from the senders/receivers that Wells apparently chose to ignore. And you really think he wants to set a precedent and turn over his PERSONAL cell phone? The NFLPA loses a HUGE amount of leverage if he does so.

    2. Could be, or, after the fit started to hit the shan, so to speak, Tom probably picked up the phone to figure out what the *bleep* was going on. Not that hard to fathom that a guy would want some answers about footballs and went to the ball guys to get them.

    3. See #1.

    4. No, this is about an absolute witch-hunt of an “investigation” conducted so that Goodell could re-establish his authority over players after the disastrous 2014 season and the fiasco that is Rice, Peterson, Hardy, etc. And don’t forget the concussion settlement and the cover-up the NFL pulled around that debacle.

  240. You would think that after the Ray Rice debacle, the league would decide ahead of time to pick a punishment and stick with it. Instead, once again, it seemingly sticks a thermometer out the window to gauge public opinion of how hot it is, and adjusts accordingly.

    All this does is make the league come across as utterly unprincipled while it blathers on about the importance of principles. It should be embarrassing to people who work for the NFL that Goodell is their flag-carrier. Rog, you’re fooling no one with these charades.

  241. 150 Patriot fan baffoons was all that showed up. Mission Accomplished!

  242. Goodell is trying to move the goalposts with this business of new information. He apparently thinks that he is going to get a look at Brady’s phone by being an intransigent tyrant.

    Interesting to note that the ‘suspicions’ cited by the Colts and Ravens didn’t arise until after the Jets game in which the balls were drastically overinflated.

    It’s the Jets at the core of these things. Where there is smoke there is fire and there you shall find a former Jets front office guy, now NFL VP for football operations.

    Roger Todger really doesn’t want this going to court, he is just too g-d stupd to realize it.

  243. Check the fumbles, Pats have cheated EVERY YEAR since Belicheat’s arrival.

    Hey Pats’ fans, how is Kraft’s mighty lawsuit going?

    LOL

    Lance Brady

  244. This is simple, Belicheat, Brady & the Patriots conspired to cheat. Brady doesn’t want to give up his phone because it contains enough incriminating evidence to implicate both himself & Belicheat.

    My only question is, did Belicheat submit his phone?

  245. “You would think that after the Ray Rice debacle, the league would decide ahead of time to pick a punishment and stick with it. Instead, once again, it seemingly sticks a thermometer out the window to gauge public opinion of how hot it is, and adjusts accordingly.”

    You are missing what really is happening.

    There is not sufficient evidence against Brady. This required a sham investigation to gin up a “more probable than not” finding. When investigators don’t have evidence they overcharge and intimidate subjects into cutting a deal for a lesser sentence, thus the over the top penalty for both the Patriots and for Brady. Penalizing the team heavily is meant to put pressure on Brady to cop to a lesser charge. That is not working with Brady so Goodell needs to control the appeals process.

  246. If Tom is suspended for the first game, then Kraft should not have the banner raised. Also, a big show of support would be to boycott that first game. That would send a good message to Goodell and the NFL. Imagine their season opener with a half empty stadium….and no banner raising.

  247. “We are talking about air pressure per square inch in a football people.

    Something that never mattered before in the history of the NFL somehow mattered now because it was the Patriots.”
    ————

    It is called institutional cheating. By a team that has a history of it.

    And yes, it obviously did matter before this. If it didn’t, the NFL refs wouldn’t be required to inspect and test the balls before games.

    —————————
    Really? If it was that important, Teddy, then how the hell did 16 PSI balls get into the game during the Jets/Patriots game? That was played in Gillette! IF McNally was tasked with deflating balls AFTER the refs approved them, then how did those footballs get onto the field OVER-INFLATED by A LOT! I mean, all you haters out there are claiming this must have been going on since McNally became ball boy in 2007, due to that report of the Patriot’s lower fumble rate, so if McNally was indeed deflating balls all this time, then why are refs inserting balls into a game that are 2.5 PSI over the league maximum requirements? Because those balls are so damn important to the officials….

  248. Goodell’s testimony in the appeal will be transcribed by a court reporter. It will be the first unvarnished words to come out of the mouths of any NFL official on Deflategate. They have these guys hidden like they were in the witness protection program. Goodell is the only one talking (not counting constant leaks and off the record comments to the media and Blandino making some statements).

    I have seen very smart guys look very dumb when a good lawyer gets to ask them questions, especially when they have public statements and a 200 plus page report that they not only blessed, but used to indict an innocent man.

  249. yeahitsme72 says:
    May 24, 2015 9:43 PM
    …..
    The problem is, there isn’t any cheating and as soon as an independent arbiter looks at it, the NFLs case is done.

    The problem for the NFLPA and Brady is that an independent arbiter will likely never see this case. Goodell’s incompetence has previously been pointed out multiple times by “independent arbiters” he selected, so he and his executive team are not going to let this latest cluster be reviewed truly independently. And, as we have discussed previously, the player awful CBA makes any success with a lawsuit a longshot at best.

    The only people who want the truth to come out are Pats players and Pats fans. Goodell, his team, and Pats haters cannot handle the truth (apologies to Jack Nicholson), and will go to every length possible to prevent the truth being told.

  250. Goodell is trying to move the goalposts with this business of new information. He apparently thinks that he is going to get a look at Brady’s phone by being an intransigent tyrant.

    Interesting to note that the ‘suspicions’ cited by the Colts and Ravens didn’t arise until after the Jets game in which the balls were drastically overinflated.

    It’s the Jets at the core of these things. Where there is smoke there is fire and there you shall find a former Jets front office guy, now NFL VP for football operations.

    Roger Todger really doesn’t want this going to court, he is just too g-d stupd to realize it.
    __________________________________

    You bring up a very good point. We actually don’t know if Brady registered his complaint about the over sized balls to the league….we know he yelled at his ball boys, but who is to say he didn’t ruffle some feathers at the office? Pissing off some Jet fans working for the league? ALL of them are Jet fans!

  251. “Really? If it was that important, Teddy, then how the hell did 16 PSI balls get into the game during the Jets/Patriots game? That was played in Gillette! IF McNally was tasked with deflating balls AFTER the refs approved them, then how did those footballs get onto the field OVER-INFLATED by A LOT! I mean, all you haters out there are claiming this must have been going on since McNally became ball boy in 2007, due to that report of the Patriot’s lower fumble rate, so if McNally was indeed deflating balls all this time, then why are refs inserting balls into a game that are 2.5 PSI over the league maximum requirements? Because those balls are so damn important to the officials….”

    Evidence that the Wells report disregarded facts that contradicted their thesis and exonerated their target.

  252. 150 is actually pretty dang good turnout considering where Gillette stadium is located…& it being Memorial Day weekend & all…
    But better yet it got GREAT EXPOSURE…. After all you not only heard about it your commenting about it… All & all I’d say Mission accomplished!!
    ————————————————

    I am not a mathematician so bear with me. So you are saying that 150 people “is a pretty dang good turnout” huh. The stadium hold over 68,000 fans, not to mention the millions calling themselves “Patriot Nation,” and only 150 showed up to back your hero quarterback Tom Shady….

    Patri*t fans are delusional

    Best Regards

  253. The guilty conclusions were fabricated when the Wells Report was ordered. This was a set up. A power struggle between the Patriots and Goodell. It would be as if you told an appraiser what value a house had to come in at to make a loan work and not acfept anything less than that value, a fraud . Same thing. All of this is nothing but a sham. So we need to just stop as fans. Stop participating as sacrificial lambs. Boycott the suspended games. Do not show up to the appeal hearing. Brady beeds to sue in federal court. Now. We all know the Appeal is a Kangaroo Court and will not yield a reduction.

  254. The Patriots are the best team in the NFL for the last 14 years.

    For that matter they are the best team in all of professional sports during that time frame.

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

    —————————————-
    There goes the whole saying “Cheaters never win”. Thanks Patriots!

  255. Anyone else wonder what else Ted Wells may have seen on video surveillance tape? Did McNally go into the same bathroom (you know, the one without the urinal) with a bag of footballs before every game? The week before, the Divisional Round game was decided when Tom Brady lofted a beautiful throw down the left sideline to Brandon LaFell, then Flacco was errant on a similar pass to Torrey Smith a few minutes later, picked off by Duron Harmon. I’m a Pats fan so I was pleased with the outcome but if I were a Ravens fan, I’d be wondering if football was a game of inches or a game of pounds per square inch.

  256. MEMORIAL DAY WAKE UP CALL

    The MOST SERIOUS ISSUE: The fact that the Refs violated Rule 17 by overinflating the footballs to as high as 16 psi.
    This was, no doubt, part of the sting operation, used to bait the Patriots ball boy to adjust the footballs down to NFL Rule 17 guideline of minimum of 12.5 psi. The amount that Brady demands his footballs to be.
    TB was clueless to the sting, since air pressure in a football has more to do with a QB’s preference (ask Aaron Rodgers 14 psi) then unfair advantage.

    Rule 17 “Unfair Advantage via air pressure” was not violated. Factual, Undeniable Evidence that Exonerates Brady & PATRIOTS was PROVEN on National & Global TV beyond any doubt by the NFL itself during and throughout the AFCCG & SB XLIX. Any Judge, Jury and Audience can review the Evidence and can only come to one conclusion = Football air pressure had zero impact on the Integrity of the game = No violation of Rule 17.

    These facts alone will bring down Goodell & the NFL as they have, in fact, operated with intent to defame & defraud Brady & the NE PATRIOTS.

    DEMAND that Goodell, Well$, Kinsel, Grigson, Harbaugh, and others turn their phones & email over to the authorities ASAP.
    Only then will FULL DISCLOSURE to this SCANDAL be exposed.

  257. Well, here’s the main problem. There is no credible evidence that TB instructed the equipment manager to underinflate the balls- NONE. That’s why so many people are referring to this as a witch hunt. No evidence, no smoking gun, just conjecture. Now we know that Rice and Patterson and the long litany of gansta NFL players are guilty- so this whole thing with assuming TB is guilty based on text messages that he wasn’t even directly participating in is really bogus. All the idiots at the League office have is based on conjecture and innuendo. The bar should be higher for someone who has been a model citizen for the last 15 years.

  258. If you ask Goodell and the NFL; would you rather have the media and the fans talk about domestic violence, what AP did to his son, Ray Rice to his fiance (current wife), or deflated footballs, they will take deflated footballs any day of the week, this stupid subject has dragged on for 5 months and will be for the next 5 at least, Ray Rice hit his wife and was suspended for 2 games initially!!!!, he knocked her cold and Goodell felt it is OK!! what a shame!! he saw our reaction and then reacted because of the outrage.

    The NFL is trying to take our attention from the real issues, the issues that will make us sick in our stomach, the issues that will make the casual fan turn away from watching their product.

    isn’t time for us to wake up and be smarter than them?!!

  259. All the people that are enjoying this circus crack me up. They call Brady a cheater and act as if none of the Patriot victories over the years would have happened if there was a little more air in the ball. You guys are the real joke here. I am a Raider fan so there is no love lost for Brady or the Patriots ever since the tuck rule fiasco but at least I have the ability to see this for what it is. If everything that Brady is accused of doing is true it is still no big deal. No worse than the Vikings heating up the balls on the sidelines or players spraying silicon on their jerseys or kickers over inflating the balls or my Raiders over watering the field. None of those teams lost draft picks or had there star QB suspended. And they shouldn’t have. Neither should the Patriots. They didn’t win all those Super Bowls because they cheated. They won because they were better than everyone else. All you people claiming the victories are tainted are just a bunch of sore losers. Get over it. The Patriots are better than your team and if you want to beat them you do it by playing better not by putting more air in the ball. Goodell totally screwed this decision up just as he has every other decision he has made the last year. I think it is time for him to move on. As for all you on the “cheaters” bandwagon it is time fir you to move on too. Get over it. Suspended or not, deflated or not, the Patriots are still the SB champs and it is time our teams beat them on the field. Not in a court room.

  260. Well$ was paid $5,000,000.00 to determine how 0.5 psi was missing from NFL LEAGUE Footballs.

    Anyone can google that natural ball deflation due to weather info for FREE.

    Something is amiss here and it is not 0.5 psi in footballs.

    WAKE UP PEOPLE

  261. Brady detractors are liberals. They hate greatness and always want to tear down American heroes. Yes, I went there.

  262. To me Goodell just looks like a smug a-ho-el to me,
    That just seems to be under the delusion his word is worth something but unfortunately he so full of himself he can’t even smell what he’s saying ,which,as it turns out, is probably good for him & really bad at the same time… The old saying is “ignorance is bliss”…. Well that is true but only to a certain extent…
    I’ve seen some EGO’s in my time but this clown takes the cake!!!

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