Carson stadium won’t have eternal flame for Al Davis

AP

As originally designed, the proposed NFL stadium in Carson, California that would be shared by the Chargers and Raiders would have included a permanent flame that honors the late Al Davis. As currently designed, the flame has been extinguished.

Via Daniel Kaplan of SportsBusiness Journal, current Raiders owner Mark Davis agreed to remove the tribute to the team patriarch, who also was a pariah of sorts in league circles. As Kaplan explains it, “many in the league . . . were not pleased” by the decision to commemorate a man who had a habit of suing his partners.

Kaplan writes that the former 49ers and Browns exec Carmen Policy recently joined the project in part to address “the apparent tone deafness” of Mark Davis to the importance of abandoning the tribute.

Carson and Inglewood currently are competing for the privilege of building an NFL stadium; the Chargers and Raiders would play in Carson, and the Rams (and possibly one other team) would play in Inglewood. While dumping the flame may not be enough to seal the deal in Carson, it apparently would have been harder for the Chargers-Raiders effort to prevail if Mark Davis hadn’t decided to relent.

54 responses to “Carson stadium won’t have eternal flame for Al Davis

  1. Nothing beside remains. Round the decay of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare, the lone and level sands stretch far away.

  2. Inglewood and Carson are maybe 10 miles or less from each other down the 405 freeway.

  3. Then how is this a “Raider” stadium Mark? That was one of your excuses for not sharing Levi’s with the Niners. This guy clearly just wants to get to LA while spewing empty “I want to stay in Oakland” rhetoric to the public.

  4. Where are the f ans who fill the seats going to come from? This region has a highly mobile population most of whom have roots in other NFL cities or regions. Fans from New England, New York, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Dallas, Denver, KC and Philadelphia never change.

  5. Where are the f ans who fill the seats going to come from?
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    Mexico. 40% of LA County has latino roots. Most of them have never lived in New England, New York, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Dallas, Denver, KC or Philadelphia.

  6. Dang this is ridiculous. Old grudges die hard. Even for a man for whome helped build this league into what it is now. Al Davis is on the Mt Rushmore of the NFL but he cant have a tribute at his own teams stadium. C’mon man, and people beleive there is no bias against the Raiders. Please

  7. I recall hearing after Al passed away and the talk of a new stadium heated up that Mark stated that one of the requirements for a new stadium that it include a tribute to Al, either a flame or a statue outside the stadium.
    It would be blasphemous to omit the Godfather of Raider Nation.

  8. If the Raiders absolutely have to move from Oakland the sane choice would be San Antonio where there would actually be a large number of fans showing up for the games (given that Texas is football-crazy whereas Los Angeles is a proven NFL graveyard).

    And I’m sure that they’d let Son-of-Al could keep his treasured tribute to his father if he moved there instead of to La-La land.

  9. That kinda sucks but I get it. If it is going to be a shared stadium, then you gotta try and keep things equal. I guess it could work out if there were some sort of tribute for the Chargers team. Either way, the Raiders can have an eternal flame at their new headquarters. Maybe even a museum for fans to visit.

  10. wayneflores says:
    May 26, 2015 5:06 PM

    Mark Davis always resented his dad, so this decision wasn’t that rough on the guy. He’s a joke in the owners circle.
    *********************************************
    Oh look at the time, school’s out.

    SMH.

  11. What a sell out.

    These silver spoon owners give two you know whats about legacy as long as it makes them two more shiny nickels to rub together.

  12. This is your clueless owner, Raider ans, and is ther reaosn your team isn’t going anywhere anytime in the future. Al Davis is one of the 5 most important people in the history of the league and for your owner to just roll over as soon as someone told him to because he has no money, it should let you know all you need to know about your team, lol. I wonder if they can match the Bengals for recent futility.

  13. Can the Al Davis eternal flame be relocated to London, so as to prevent any future games being played there?

  14. Make it a eternal beer fountain and you’ll be baptizing new Raiders fans by the truckload.

  15. Hold on a second. So you’re saying that the Raiders and Chargers might share the stadium in Carson with the Rams and possibly another team in Inglewood? That would be four teams, 1/8 of the league in one market. That could never, should never, and will never happen. Here in LA we expect to get one team, two would be a stretch, and three would be overkill.

  16. So the LA market has repeatedly been a bad environment for NFL franchises. (Face it folks, teams leave for a reason).
    I don’t doubt that things could go better for the next club that locates there. There’s certainly plenty of people w/piles of money to burn on entertainment.
    However, I’m not convinced it would be a wise business move to put as many as four teams there. But it sure would be fun watching such a shameless NFL cash grab as that crash and burn!

  17. Raider Jon says:
    May 26, 2015 5:26 PM
    That kinda sucks but I get it. If it is going to be a shared stadium, then you gotta try and keep things equal. I guess it could work out if there were some sort of tribute for the Chargers team. Either way, the Raiders can have an eternal flame at their new headquarters. Maybe even a museum for fans to visit.
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    There is, when the Chargers score a Touchdown there is a contraption in the end zone which shoots lightning, the draw ups of it are amazing, it put the eternal flame to shame!

  18. Raider Jon says:
    May 26, 2015 5:26 PM

    That kinda sucks but I get it. If it is going to be a shared stadium, then you gotta try and keep things equal. I guess it could work out if there were some sort of tribute for the Chargers team. Either way, the Raiders can have an eternal flame at their new headquarters. Maybe even a museum for fans to visit.
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    This thing was designed to also shoot out lightening bolts during Charger games. The league is run by a bunch of thin-skinned sissies.

  19. Anyone who has ever tried to watch a football game at the LA Colosseum knows why those teams needed to leave town. At the 50 yard line you are 100 yards away from the field, and those are the “good” seats.

  20. Not a Raiders fan but if any owner deserves a statue or eternal flame it’s Al Davis. What other owner now a days has been the Assistant Coach, Head Coach, then GM and then owner of their team? Plus he was a lot better commissioner of the old AFL than the present commissioner of the NFL. Most of the present owners just inherited daddy’s team or money to buy a team. Bad move Mark.

  21. Arguably the greatest man in the history of the NFL, and he won’t get a small token of respect? Crazy!

  22. “the Chargers and Raiders would play in Carson, and the Rams (and possibly one other team) would play in Inglewood.”

    You’ve got to be kidding me Florio. Maybe 4 teams in L.A.?

    I hope it’s possible to have sanity in sports. Then again, maybe not.

  23. Will the dictionary companies now be changing their definition of eternal? Apparently, eternity is not as long as we’ve been taught to believe it is.

    How will this affect the world’s religions? And crime rates? Jeez, a lot of people I know would trade some major sinning now for an eternity in hell, if eternity is only four years long!

    Can I get an Amen?

  24. Al Davis always felt the Raiders shouldn’t share a stadium. They should have their own stadium. He was going to build a stadium in LA, but killed the project when the league said the Raiders would have to share.

    So Mark, first you force the Raiders share a stadium, then you give up the tribute to Al Davis (because it might ruffle a few feathers … as if). When you move to the team to LA, why not just leave the Raider name and colors in Oakland? Let Pink Taco buy the naming rights to the stadium and your team.

  25. How small can the suits in the league office get? Sheesh.

    Let the fans have their traditions and get back to creating stupid extra point rules.

  26. well it might say something about your “partners” when every time you sued them, you won..

  27. So LA had the Rams and Raiders before and they left because they couldn’t sellout the stadium… Now there is talk of potentially having 4 teams there? Who is the nutcase behind this logic?

  28. All you Oakland raiders fans are pathetic just stop trying to talk about there isn’t fans in L.A did you forget where “Raider Nation” came from. Yesterday’s facts aren’t today’s facts!

  29. This moving stuff is hysterical. They seriously believe that the market there is going to support 3 or 4 teams. There is a reason that there hasn’t been a team there in about 20 years.

  30. It’s sickening that the Raiders and Charger are proposing to share a stadium in itself, then they bring in that weasel Carmen Policy who cheated the salary cap for years, now Mark Davis submits to not having a tribute to one of the most prolific members of the NFL, not to mention his own father. This is a huge middle finger to Raider fans!! When Al Davis died I was afraid this organization would become just another team in the NFL and that is what is going to happen if this NONSENSE happens!!

  31. looks like the Patriots could use , Al Davis right now. He is the only one that can beat the Mob NFL.

  32. The best way to honor Al Davis would be to agree to remove the eternal flame to get the stadium built, then just have a mob of contractors come in the middle of the night before opening day and install it anyway. If the other owners want it taken down, let ’em sue.

  33. Well, there better be something. Because like Ralph Wilson and other owners, the NFL wouldn’t be what it is today Al Davis. This brand earned the league more merchandising dollars than pretty much anybody in the 80’s and 90’s, and was a part of some great Monday Night Football games that drew mega ratings. Since everything is cyclical and the organization is trending up again, it’s going to become a popular team once more. The suits need to get over their ancient grudges and think how they always do, with their wallets.

    I wish they didn’t have to share digs with another team. Al Davis stadium has a nice ring to it. Oh well, as long as it gets done.

  34. Were this horrible affront to mankind to be erected as an edifying centerpiece commemorating the Raiders’ yearly decay and the man that orchestrated that downfall, Charger fans would relish the chance to urinate into beer cups and attempt to douse the flames.

    But since this farce of a project will never even be built, it’s only just banter between AFC West enemies.

  35. All i can say is football is not a sport it is a Business. There is no loyalty, honor, commitment or pride in this business its cut-throat an screw you is the message from the NFL, the eternal flame of football has been extinguished. I am sure the city of Carson will be happy with all the revenue that will be generated by all the arrest that will be made and paid by fans fighting on whose stadium is it. LA is a melting pot and you are going to put two pit bulls in the same room and shut the door wow. By the way who is the home team and who is the visitor do they change locker rooms when they are home or away and how can you be away if you are home all for the love of Money not the Sport.

    Jim

  36. Talk about sour grapes in the NFL. Despite all the hate, he was a cornerstone that in part has made the NFL what it is today, a huge CASH COW!

  37. They should make this a true tribute to Al. Have the flame be awesome early on, but then lose it’s impressiveness after awhile and then just be a flame doing all kinds of crazy, ineffective stuff toward the end.

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