Tom Brady is smart to keep quiet on #DeflateGate

More than three weeks ago, Patriots quarterback Tom Brady said he had yet to study the Ted Wells report, and that Brady would provide his reaction to the controversial 243-page document “hopefully soon.”

Define “soon.”

Actually, it’s wise for Brady to say nothing, given that his appeal is looming and anything he says publicly can and will be used against him by the league. Via Mike Reiss of ESPN.com, a debate has emerged in Boston regarding whether Brady should say something about the situation. Brady definitely shouldn’t.

Unfortunately for Brady, he already has said too much, starting with a January 22 press conference in which he came off as rattled, naive, and ultimately unpersuasive.

But let’s consider the context of that press conference. Brady met the media in the aftermath of the leak from the league to ESPN that 11 of 12 Patriots footballs were two pounds under the 12.5 PSI minimum. With no one from the NFL publicly or privately refuting the clearly false report, and with the NFL keeping the real PSI numbers tightly under wraps until the Wells report was published in May, Brady took the podium under the impression that something unusual happened to the footballs.

If Brady is actually innocent, trying to defend himself in the face of such blatantly false facts would have been no easy feat. Regardless, he shouldn’t have tried to defend himself publicly then, and he shouldn’t try to do it now.

After his case is resolved, Brady needs to submit to a no-holds-barred sit-down interview and tell his story, fully and completely with no unanswered questions and no half truths.

That’s exactly how an innocent person would behave. And if he doesn’t behave that way, it’ll be difficult for Brady ever to be acquitted in the court of public opinion.

392 responses to “Tom Brady is smart to keep quiet on #DeflateGate

  1. To paraphrase an old adage, “It’s better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a liar, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

  2. He and his lawyers have a plan, and my guess is it’s a good one. If Goodell had any brains he’d overturn it right now to avoid yet another embarrassing court benchslap but we all know the answer to that one.

  3. Brady will never do a no-holds-barred sit down interview after this is all over. He’s a Patriot.
    Patriots do not march to the media/fan drum.

    All this over 0.4 decrease in psi in a football.

    Roger Goodell is who you need to interview Mike.

  4. Tom Brady = Liar, cheater, fraud, imposter.

    Every title by accumulated by the Patriots are tainted, unearned and obtained fraudulently.

    Bobby Kraft encourages this system of unethical behavior, and is an embarrassment to each of the LEGITIMATE 31 teams.

  5. For anyone who thinks Brady is innocent, there is NO way anyone could alter those footballs without his permission. NO way. NO how. NOT a chance. That to me is the most damning evidence against Brady.

  6. He is already guilty in court of public opinion. Doesn’t matter what happens from here on out. His endorsement value has taken a big hit.

  7. He doesn’t want to implicate himself in the other cheating endeavors that the league hasn’t caught on to yet

  8. The sad thing abt brady detractors is that roger Goodell is their new hero and champion and they have to commend the biggest lying POS in sports. This way they can’t get possibly get brady out of the way for their teams. Pathetic that they don’t want their team to face the best but get him suspended on some false faulty charges.

    It’s the ultimate compliment and shows his greatness

  9. I didn’t really care much about the violation to begin with because it seemed so minor, but just the fact he lied to everyone’s face (and still does) is the part that bothers me. I’m sure he did it thinking it was no big deal. Just say that!

    It comes down to the fact that every single current or former NFL quarterback that we’ve heard from has agreed that no one touches the footballs or alters them in any way without the QBs knowing and instructing, especially someone as meticulous as Brady.

    Stop stonewalling. Stop lying. Take accountability. Move on.

  10. harrybucsfan says:

    For anyone who thinks Brady is innocent, there is NO way anyone could alter those footballs without his permission. NO way. NO how. NOT a chance. That to me is the most damning evidence against Brady.
    ***********************************************

    There is no proof that the balls were ever tampered with at all.

    Just a supposition of what possibly could have happened in a misguided, predetermined, NFL paid for report.

    That is even more damning evidence against Roger Goodell.

  11. Let me know if I’m missing something but wouldn’t it be even smarter to turn over his cell phone if he is innocent?

  12. He has stated he likes a PSI of 12.5. They were in the range of the league rules at halftime with the cold weatger and the league can’t even tell you the truth up front. The league didn’t record the pressure or which of the gauges were used and they acknowledge there was a difference in the gauges. Previously the max penalty was $25,000. Yeah it’s obvious what is the goal here.

  13. It doesn’t matter if he’s innocent or not people are still going to say stupid things like “Another Nfl cover-up for goodells best friends team”. I don’t know if he’s guilty or not but it’s a lose-lose situation for everybody and follows back to the source that is Goodell and his cronies. They’ve been causing P.R. chaos EST. 2006!

  14. “He is already guilty in court of public opinion.”

    And that’s exactly the issue here, isn’t it?
    It doesn’t matter if Goodell or the NFL think Brady is innocent, they have to punish him anyway to appease the other 31 teams and their psycho fanbases who can’t stand losing to the Patriots.
    History will not look favorably on this whole mess.

  15. harrybucsfan says:
    May 31, 2015 9:10 AM
    For anyone who thinks Brady is innocent, there is NO way anyone could alter those footballs without his permission….

    Actually it is a scientific fact that mother nature can, will and at times does alter the PSI footballs without anyone’s permission. The PSI of the Patriots footballs was altered in the Pats/Colts game by mother nature (as well as the butt kicking the Pats gave the Colts), without anyone’s permission, and the PSI of the Colts footballs was altered in the Pats/Colts game by Andrew Luck mother nature.

  16. 20 years from now when the name Tom Brady comes up in conversation first thing that comes to mind will be cheater. Except it patriot fans

  17. Patriots Fans and Defenders of Deflation…. Stop trying to justify the physics or it’s only a scandal about 0.4 psi. We are past that and all agree it is Cheating and conspiracy to cover it up. The evidence is there!

    Best of Luck Mr. Shady Brady, Esq.! No way this gets turned over on appeal.

  18. The NFL didn’t even want all of his texts. Just the communications with Mr. Deflator. Completely fair request. Stop hiding Tom!

  19. ejmat2 says:
    May 31, 2015 9:23 AM
    Let me know if I’m missing something but wouldn’t it be even smarter to turn over his cell phone if he is innocent?

    Why would Tom Brady, the #1 football celebrity in the NFL, not to mention the greatest QB of all-time, turn over his cell phone to a league office that has proven over and over again during this debacle that they are happy to leak lies to the press, and never retract those lies?

    If the NFL has the misfortune of this reaching a real court of justice, Brady’s cell phone will be turned over, and after Brady is exonerated Roger Goodell will be resigning.

  20. He will never come clean because he cheated and had the balls altered. And he didn’t just do it once. He always did it when it was cold.

    Just like Adrian Peterson didn’t just whip his one boy, he whipped others too but at least Peterson admitted it as he admitted to smoking dope while on probation. At least he’s honest. Brady isn’t.

  21. The accurate data on the footballs suggests that they never were altered at all, and I would bet that Brady’s appeal will present overwhelming evidence on that score. Plus they can make a lot of the fact that the NFL withheld the true data from the Patriots, in an obvious attempt to force a confession or justify a multimillion dollar witch hunt. No fair process leaves the accused in the dark about the facts the accuser has. Brady’s press conference showed him obviously uncertain about what happened, and no wonder.

  22. ” it’ll be difficult for Brady ever to be acquitted in the court of public opinion.”

    Umm too late bud. Too late.

  23. Calling him smart is kind of backhanded since you basically said he was stupid for having the press conference in January.

    A no holds barred interview will never happen unless he has a pet reporter like Favre did. Greta something or other.

    She was guaranteed to lob Favre softballs in every interview and we were supposed to take it as hard hitting.

  24. The average football fan is biased and lazy, and the Wells Report plays right into that. You read the first 20 pages that outlines Wells’ findings, and Brady looks guilty as sin. When you get to the actual facts, there are a lot more questions than answers. The overwhelming part of the population that wants Brady to be guilty doesn’t care about that part. It’s like the comments on here saying the Pats 2001, 2002, and 2004 titles are somehow tainted because they broke a rule created in the 2007 offseason. Intellectual dishonesty is part of being an emotional fan, and we’re all guilty of it. But even the trolls who lie to themselves and others most of the time probably have moments of clarity where they realize how ridiculous this all is.

  25. “Are you a cheater?”

    “I don’t… think so…”

    Sure, Patriot fans. Guy’s clean as a whistle. Clowns.

  26. And if the appeal process and/or the court case that may follow winds up exonerating Brady, will the people who have already labelled him and called him all the names they have publically retract their statements or just go on saying the things they have because deep down they want to ignore facts and just focus on being haters?

  27. If Brady is innocent, then I applaud his effort to speak up publicly in effort to defend himself. While it is true that anything he said or did could be held against him, sometimes an innocent person isn’t afraid of that conundrum, and it’s not fair to them if what they say and do is misinterpreted or evaluated inaccurately or improperly. He might have just been acting natural and speaking openly and honestly, or he might have thought that the process so was so unfair and disrespectful to him such that his behavior and choices he sees as a creative way to undermine an inappropriate process.

    I hope anybody that reads this does not judge Tom Brady in a negative fashion if they don’t understand exactly why he said and did what he did. To do so would put you at risk of making an illogical and unfair assessment.

  28. Tom Brady = Liar, cheater, fraud, imposter

    Every team in this league has a bunch of guys who supposedly attended college for 3 years or more, but can’t or won’t speak a complete sentence with proper grammar.

    How did they get through college, let alone high school?

    Spare us your holier-than-thou attitudes.

  29. And this is why time after time, I keep coming back to this site. You guys are the rare site that actually tells both sides of the story. While others still have not published that the initial reports were false. While others still report like fans and have the Patriots as public enemy #1 behind debunked reports, you guys at least tell the whole story. I’ve heard talking suit after talking suit claim how stupid Tommy was for being quite, never explaining how most people with common sense knew how his silence is key to his case against the corrupt NFL. Thank you

  30. Brady owe you and the rest – NOTHING!
    He is smart and calculate his moves .
    You are desperately wish for his fall
    Which is no news.
    But eventually he will smile last.

  31. What Goodell Needs to Prove (and what the media should be asking him)

    The NFL CBA, Article 14, Section 3, on page 103 states, “… the complaining party shall bear the burden of demonstrating by a clear preponderance of the evidence that the challenged conduct was in violation of such Article.” There are three key components to this section of the CBA that apply to the Brady ruling.

    a. The NFL, as the complaining party, “bears the burden” of proof
    b. The proof needs to be “clear”
    c. The proof also needs to meet the legal definition of a “preponderance of the evidence

    The definition of “clear”: easy to perceive, understand, or interpret.

    The legal definition of a “preponderance of the evidence”: A requirement that more then 50% of the evidence points to something. This is the burden of proof in a civil trial.
    For example: At the end of civil case A v. B, 51% of the evidence favors A. Thus, A has a preponderance of the evidence, A has met their burden of proof, and A will win the case.

    There are three facts Goodell must put in evidence to convict Brady that are subject to probability because they have neither been admitted nor proved but are the contention of the NFL as facts.

    1. Deflation of balls was not just attributable to nature
    2. The Patriots ball boy deflated the ball
    3. Brady orchestrated the deflation

    Each of those multiple events must be true for the NFL to prove its case against Brady but the simple probability of each individually is either true/untrue or ½.

    To find the probability of all three being true requires the Multiplication Rule of Probability.

    P = p x p x p = ½ x ½ x ½ = 1/8 = 12.5%

    In short, the NFL starts with a benchmark probability that those three multiple events are true of only 12.5%, not anywhere near the in excess of 50% probability required.

    The NFL needs to prove to a judge in easy to perceive way, that the preponderance of evidence supports their conclusion, and because their conclusion requires multiple events to be true, my contention is that the NFL has not reached its burden and can’t.

  32. There is another good reason for Pats and Brady to remain totally quiet for now. The temperature on all this needs to be lowered to create some chance that Goodell will actually consider all the new data and arguments he will be hit with by Brady’s defense. If he does, he might reduce or eliminate the four game suspension, in everyone’s best interest including his own. The team still loses draft picks, truly unjust, but at least the real games would be played. To make this even remotely possible, Brady needs to be quiet until the hearing gives Goodell a solid look at the counter evidence he must face, potentially in a real court. And/or in the court of public opinion. This is just getting started.

  33. I can’t wait to hear some more true lies from Tom Shady aka The Smiling Liar.

  34. “The average football fan is biased and lazy, and the Wells Report plays right into that. You read the first 20 pages that outlines Wells’ findings, and Brady looks guilty as sin.”

    In every civil action the complaining writes a brief that makes the accused look evil. That’s because they can say virtually anything, as Wells did. Goodell sold that one-sided story and the media ran with it. Brady deserves his day in court, not in a Goodell controlled appeal, to respond and the media owes it to all of us to report his side with the same emphasis it did the NFL’s.

  35. “It doesn’t matter if Goodell or the NFL think Brady is innocent”

    They don’t, genius. That’s why they suspended him for four games and took two draft picks away from his team.

  36. NFL fans, just like the public are lazy and pretty dumb and the NFL (Government too but we went go into that) know how to play to that. Leak some lies blaming the Pats, Average Joe fan eats it up as they already hate the Pats. A small handful of the media debunks the false reports, yet mass media and public refuses to acknowledge. Then NFL posts a report about nothing with no answers. Public eats it up like the NFL knew it would. Minority of media debunks and high lites the flawed report. Average Joe public ignores facts, and will never change mind no matter what FACTS come out after. And they will do the same to you guys when the next big news breaks.

  37. Headline could have stopped at “Tom Brady is Smart.”

    #FirstBallotHoF
    #AllTimeGreatest

  38. I can’t wait until Tom Brady is completely exonerated and the suspension reversed. This who “Deflategate” was Roger Goddell’s biggest debacle yet. It’s time this guy loses his job. He has proven himself incompetent at managing scandals, and this in turn has been a source of much embarrassment for the NFL and its players

  39. bstngrdn says:
    May 31, 2015 9:44 AM

    And if the appeal process and/or the court case that may follow winds up exonerating Brady, will the people who have already labelled him and called him all the names they have publically retract their statements or just go on saying the things they have because deep down they want to ignore facts and just focus on being haters?
    ————–
    Obviously they will go on saying the stupid stuff because they will continue to ignore the facts and focus on being haters.

  40. harrybucsfan says:
    May 31, 2015 9:10 AM
    For anyone who thinks Brady is innocent, there is NO way anyone could alter those footballs without his permission. NO way. NO how. NOT a chance. That to me is the most damning evidence against Brady.

    ===============

    Attitudes like this are the major reason it’s important for Brady to do a bench-clearing, no-holds-barred interview after this is all over. There is a large segment (comprised of fans of 31 other NFL teams) that believes that the fact that the football pressure changed at all is “evidence” that Brady did something wrong. If Brady were visiting China for the year, the pressure in those footballs still would have changed that night, just as it did for the Colts’ footballs.

    Imagine this scenario: Upset when referees over-inflated footballs for a game earlier in the season (true), Brady asks an equipment staffer to make sure refs who examine future Patriots footballs are well aware of the allowable 12.5-13.5 psi range and that Brady prefers his footballs at 12.5, no more, no less. What in that perfectly plausible scenario causes anyone to declare that Brady was generally aware (whatever that is) of a scheme to under-inflate footballs?

  41. He was asked pointblank: Are you a cheater? He replied “I don’t believe so.” If you are falsely accused,you respond, Hell no I’m not a cheater. He used his terminology so he can say he didn’t lie, he just thought that deflating the footballs wasn’t cheating. Patriots* fans are are sorry bunch. Do they even realize how dumb the excuses sound to the non-delusional? All the sudden they are all Bill Nye the Science Guy and know all about how the balls came to be deflated. And isn’t it funny that Patriots* fans skip over the fact that the best BS the team could come up with was a fat guy losing weight, who also is implicated in deflating footballs, calls himself “the deflator” for weight loss purposes? And he just happens to be the guy who handles the footballs. Embarrassing yourselves believing in lies while worshiping a cheating liar is no way to go through life. I don’t hate the Patriots*, just don’t have any love for a team that is always caught up in some kind of shady dealings and scams.

  42. This is about 0.5 PSI in a game where QBs are legally allowed to take a grinder to the ball to get it how they like. I think that it’s about preference which may create a small advantage. Same small advantage that all QBs try and get. If it was happening reduce his suspension to 2 games at most and move on. If he did get jobbed by Wells then make it 0 games. It’s barely a big deal to me and it will be forgotten when the HOF vote happens. It’s not even close to as bad as a steroid or HGH conviction and those are washed over like no big deal in the NFL. Time to let this one go.

  43. The saying, “can and will be used against you” is taken from the miranda warning read to suspected criminals when arrested. I can understand Brady not wanting to be examined by the press in a conference setting. But if he is innocent… 100% innocent… He has had plenty of time to A- Read the report. B-Have any questions he has about it answered to him by experts. C- Release a statement reiterating his innocence and refuting any claims made against him… or sitting down with one friendly interviewer who would help him get his side out. Unlike someone just arrested, he cannot make his penalty worse, and if he is truly innocent, under those controlled circumstances, if he has nothing to hide and didn’t do anything wrong perhaps he can help himself in the court of public opinion and thus help his appeal…

  44. Your claims about what an innocent person would do are faulty. An innocent person would loudly claim innocence when the accusations start yet you say he shouldn’t have said anything at all. The fact is innocent and guilty behave too similarly to base any conclusions on. We are not talking about an obviously guilty guy fleeing the scene with the cops chasing him here. We are talking about a guarded public response in front of reporters who are highly skeptical. Guilty people try to act innocent when they can which is why the behavior is similar. Just use the known facts (not suppositions) to determine guilt or innocence. Anything else is subjectively tainted.

  45. Iknowitall says:
    May 31, 2015 9:10 AM
    Tom Brady = Liar, cheater, fraud, imposter.

    Every title by accumulated by the Patriots are tainted, unearned and obtained fraudulently.

    Bobby Kraft encourages this system of unethical behavior, and is an embarrassment to each of the LEGITIMATE 31 teams.

    __________________

    Wow. I have come across some anti-patriot posts that have been thoughtful, clever and original and have actually respected the message, whether or not I actually agreed with it.

    But then you get posts like these that come from the same posters over and over. I get the desire for the Pats to fail somehow, if not on the field then by sullying their name off the field but is it really worth it to spend hours and hours rewriting the same old stuff (Brady lies, the patriots have asterisks) desperately hoping you can get other people to hate something that you hate like some insecure middle school girl?
    It’s pro football dude. It’s entertainment so just settle down, everything’s going to be okay.

  46. Judge to Goodell : The second half of the AFCCG was PATRIOTS 28 to colts 0. Mr. Goodell, Why did you not exonerate the PATRIOTS at that point ???

    Goodell : It backfired on us on the first sting attempt.

    Judge : Mr. Goodell, you leaked false information for two weeks leading up to the SuperBowl, WHY ???

    Goodell : That was our second attempt to undermine the PATRIOTS.

    Judge : Under the highest NFL scrutiny, the PATRIOTS defeated, perhaps, the Best Defense in NFL history – Why did you not exonerate the PATRIOTS at this point.

    Goodell : We were hoping the Seahawks would win (whimper) but that also FAILED.

    Judge : And no exoneration for the PATRIOTS I assume? What did you do next?

    Goodell : I hired Mr. Well$ in a fourth attempt to discredit the PATRIOTS.

    Judge : Mr. Goodell, Why do you feel it necessary to discredit the PATRIOTS.

    Goodell : For NFL Parity & to protect the Sheild – I AM the SHEILD !!!!

    Judge : OK, I’ve heard enough !!! Take Mr.

    Goodell to the psyche ward and have him thoroughly evaluated.

    Judge : Mr. Well$, You and your report now…..

  47. Tom Brady’s need to be acquitted in the court of public opinion is about as great as his need to find a hot wife and a good paying job.

  48. To football fans who are happy over this, try to reflect a little bit. A player in the NFL has had his reputation trashed because of an investigation that ended up concluding that the investigator’s opinion was the right one. There was no evidence. This could happen to anyone in the league. Wait until it is someone on your team.

  49. I’m just glad someone finally wiped that feminine smirk off his face, even if only temporarily.

  50. The haters can’t use facts and logic against Brady so they just keep yelling “guilty” and “confess”.

    Thankfully, Brady isn’t a wilting violet who succumbs to institutional and public pressure. I am surprised people who have watched him play for the last 14 years didn’t understand his true character.

    The haters seem to be scared that Brady isn’t backing down.

  51. Jeez, you Pats fans who blindly defend Brady probably thought OJ was innocent too…..

    In this case instead of hating the police you just hate Goodell.

  52. First Goodell came for the Saints, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Saints fan.

    Then Goodell came for the Patriots, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Patriots fan.

    Then Goodell came for my team—and there was no one left to speak for me.

  53. The average NFL “fan” that hates the Pats are underage females who have no idea of physics and the laws of nature other than for whining and crying. They don’t and/or won’t/can’t take the time or aren’t intelligent enough to make their own decisions. They just read (or are read) the headlines or listen to the so-called “experts” on sports talk shows or tv and take it all as gospel preaching.

  54. It would be nice just once, just one time, to see a Pats fan who points out the questionable stuff in the Wells report to also do the same with some of the questions that apply to Brady, his statements, and his handling of this as well.

    But somehow, unless you’re able to see that this is all some conspiracy against the Patriots, and Brady did absolutely nothing wrong or questionable throughout this entire process, then you are obviously a jealous hater, and that is the only possible explanation.

  55. I believe that I know about 25 % of the facts regarding the Wells affair. I have many more questions than answers. However, I’ll have to wait for those answers.

    What’s truly terrifyingly about this debacle, is that many in the lynch mob are eligible for jury duty in an actual court case. They’ll be surprised to learn that following the prosecutor’s presentation, the defense is allowed to present a case to refute the prosecution. Then a decision is reached.

    It’s that fairness that makes our justice system viable.
    .

  56. Florio, I take it, as a lawyer, you know my analysis is sound.

    Please, sir, do the right thing and publicly challenge the NFL’s case which is a charade.

    They have intentionally smeared Brady. Their actions are evil.

  57. “If Brady is actually innocent, trying to defend himself in the face of such blatantly false facts would have been no easy feat.”

    Facts are never false, they are facts. By definition, they are true.

    The problem is the “governing body”, ( and I use the term very loosely), the NFL, allowed ASSERTIONS and unsubstantiated reports/claims/lies stand the test of time in the public/media court. That FACT alone has served to sink Tom’s ship in the court of public opinion.
    A true kangaroo court, if there ever was one

    Either way, given the smear campaign and ulterior motives that Goodell and his minions, they of NYJ and IND lineage, have perpetrated against Brady and NE in general, I wouldn’t yield a single centimeter for them if I was Tom Brady.
    Everyone wants to knock the King off his Throne.

    Silence is golden. Brady has a giant middle finger up perpetually to that clown Goodell.
    I hope it stays that way forever.

  58. Brady took the podium thinking 11 of 12 balls were at 10.5 psi according to Mort Andersens false reporting. That’s all he knew at that time and that explains his confused demeanor.

    You know … I can’t stand Floyd Mayweather Jr., I despise Money Mayweather and can’t wait for him to get knocked out by anybody. But when I put that hate aside I realize that he’s an incredibly talented defensive boxer who has earned the right to do (domestic violence not withstanding) and say whatever he wants.

    This is how this Patriots fan (who’s your team???) understands and deals with all of the hate directed at my team. I bet the haters would love to see the Pats finish third in their division just once.

  59. “History will not look favorably on this whole mess.”

    “20 years from now when the name Tom Brady comes up in conversation first thing that comes to mind will be cheater. “

  60. Most of the penalty Brady received was for not cooperating with the investigation. This part of the penalty cannot be overturned by the court because the NFL has internal rules legally contracted.

    Pats fans should realize that Brady chose not to cooperate and the Pats also chose not to make the equipment guy McNally available for more questions and suspended him.

    No matter how the court rules, the penalty will remain just for the lack of cooperation, this a true and hard fact.

  61. Tom probably just thinks he doesn’t need to answer to a bunch of angry psycho fans from other teams. He said he already did it.

    The NFL and goodell are the real liars here.

    He’s the greatest despite his endorsement value.

  62. Think about who your Heroes are in this case..Roger the Ex Jet Goodell who has been a Buffoon since he was named commish…Jim Irsay a drunk pill popping owner who’s team has been pounded by the Patriotr for a decade… Ex Jet Kensil who at half time of the AFC championship game Says “you are in big f..n trouble we just WEIGHTED the balls”….ESPN and the stooge Mortenson who ran with the false psi report…. Troy Vincent who was beaten by the Patriots in the 2004 Super Bowl and has held a grudge ever since ….. Ted Wells the hired hand who went to a lab to get the answers he wanted a lab that says second hand smoke does not cause cancer, and called a press conference when his “independence was challenged…. THESE ARE YOUR HEROES!!!!!!!

  63. seattlesue427 says:
    May 31, 2015 9:03 AM
    To paraphrase an old adage, “It’s better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a liar, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”
    ———————————-
    Is someone from Seattle really slinging mud here? Seriously, your coach is a proven cheater at every level and your team has been busted countless times for PED violations, and let’s not forget about the pumped in crowd noise. You might be served well to take some of your own advice.

  64. “After his case is resolved, Brady needs to submit to a no-holds-barred sit-down interview and tell his story, fully and completely with no unanswered questions and no half truths.”

    And I’m sure this has NOTHING to do with PFT being a media outlet. Right.

    Honestly, this entire thing is just insane. It’s clearly a case where ball pressure alterations were an unofficial rule that happened for decades like some of the weirder traditions in baseball. The official setting got on the books a few years ago, but it was still a “wink wink, nudge nudge” type of thing amongst teams.

    Nobody really paid any attention to it until Ryan Grigson figured that the only way he’d ever beat New England at all is to get Brady out of the way.

    I’m also sure the punishment has nothing to do with Goodell’s pro-Jets bias. See the slaps on the wrist for the Vikings, Panthers, and Packers, and those teams were actually caught in the act. The insane punishment and the fact the Pats and Goodell’s beloved Jets are in the same division is just happenstance, that’s all.

  65. A question for the haters.

    Why do you not want Brady to get a fair hearing that let’s him respond to the Wells report and for Wells and the NFL to be subjected to questioning?

  66. I still say that it is likely Brady was pissed off about the 16PSI balls and wanted to make sure that the NE balls were pumped to the bare minimum allowed by rule.

    Do we have PSI measurements of ALL of the Patriots balls for the last 15 years ?
    Do we have ANY supporting evidence that Brady and his ball team consistently, deflated balls over ALL OF THOSE YEARS?
    Through good games and Bad?

    Why didn’t they beat the Giants in those 2 SB’s?

    If they had deflated balls during that time frame, then they should’ve won, because Brady is a complete fraud and all you clowns think the only reason they won anything is because he cheats.

    A football; .3PSI below 12.5 is all we need to WIN multiple titles.

    I wish I had known this back 07 and 2012, we’d have 6 Lombardi’s now. Maybe 10!

    You haters are genius

  67. Actually, there’s nothing dangerous or self-incriminating about him saying he’s innocent of what he’s been disciplined for…….unless, of course, that isn’t true. We already know for a fact he lied to NFL investigators about knowing the guys he entrusted to manipulate his footballs.

    And it’s still as much fun today as it was weeks ago watching pats fans twist themselves into tin foil hat wearing conspiracy wackos trying to defend their man crush. If anything ladies, the NFL has been holding your team’s hand for over a decade giving your boy preferential treatment. He lobbies for rule changes on the balls, the NFL changes the rules. He hurts his knees and the NFL changes the rules so QB’s don’t have to take contact anymore (although Tom Brady still got way more protection than guys like David Garrard). Every time girly boy Brady so much as got a mean look from a pass rusher he was screaming at the refs to give him a RTP flag…..which he got 90% of the time (when almost every time it was completely unwarranted with no infraction on the play). If I had a dollar for every time Randy Moss got away with blatant push offs in 07 I could buy NBC Sports (and this site with it).

    Terry Bradshaw didn’t need 15 years to get 4 rings, he needed 6. He didn’t need helmet communications. He called his own plays. He didn’t have the NFL throwing flags when a pass rusher barely touched him, he took as much abuse as the running backs…….on astro turf surfaces. His receivers didn’t get DPI calls all over the place like Brady’s guys do. The fact is Brady wouldn’t have lasted a single game in the 70’s (or 80’s). He’d have tapped out after the first series of game one. He’s a soft little girl and can only survive in the NFL because the NFL changed its climate to accommodate him……because they’re out to get him. LOL

  68. It’s clear who are Patriots fans on this site. Let me start by saying until Belichick and Brady showed up on the scene, I was a Patriots fan. They weren’t my favorite, but they were one of the few AFC teams I liked. Since those two POS’ showed up, you can count be as a Patriots hater.
    As far as I’m concerned, they could leave the league and it wouldn’t bother me a bit. Belichick has showed time and time again that he is not above pushing the rules to the limit and breaking them to gain an advantage. A recent good example is this past playoff game against the Ravens where he used eligible players as ineligible. Was it legal? By the letter of the rule, absolutely, but it is obvious that the league felt it was unfair or they would not have changed the rule. Good example of manipulating the rules to his advantage. Why should his players be any different? Brady never said he liked the footballs at 12.5 PSI. He said he liked them at the low end or softer. If there’s nothing here, then why did he not allow his agent NOT the NFL to review his cell phone for text messages? If there’s nothing here, then why did he and Peyton Manning petition the league to allow each team to prepare their own footballs? Yeah, that, probably means Manning is a cheater too. Finally, if an innocent man is accused of anything, that innocent man is going to vehemently deny any wrong doing. “Are you a cheater?” “I don’t think so.” That is certainly a vehement denial (scarcasm). The bottom line is something is wrong is New Englanad and Robert Kraft doesn’t care as long as they win. Finally, all of this doesn’t amount to a hill of beans because this appeal was decided a long time ago. Brady is going to walk out of that meeting with no suspension and no fine and the deal that Goodell and Kraft put together in January has already netted this league millions of dollars and will continue to do so until the fervor dies down. Kraft will get his Mil back under the table or in other kick backs and the Patriots will somehow “earn” their draft picks back. They may not be first round but they will get them back. This whole thing was a farce from the beginning. I do believe that those balls were tampered with to some degree. I also believe that the atmospheric conditions played a part. When you have a guy calling himself “The Deflator” and you have a superstar signing equipment for that guy and that same superstar refuses to submit to a complete review of his records, that person has something to hide. Yes, he has the right to refuse without a court order and I respect that right and I defended that right. Innocent people have nothing to hide. This was all a publicity scheme for the NFL.

  69. The Deflator asked Jastremski for size 11 kicks, in documented texts, so Brady wouldn’t get watermellons on Sunday. Jastremski illegally took the footballs out of the referee’s possession after they were verified, and into a room, all captured on video. Brady gave the Deflator autographed size 11 kicks, in public. Then after the story broke, Brady all of a sudden starts texting and calling Jastremski, all verified by Jastremski’s phone records. And, Brady won’t let HIS OWN attorneys look at his phone to determine if he communicated with any other people about deflated footballs or similar topics.

    Yep, nothing at all happened to those footballs and Brady is as innocent as a little lamb.

    *

  70. Brady is a leader of the NFLPA and has a responsibility not to set the precedent of giving up his phone without a fight. He was also stuck, in a couple ways. First, if he gave over all the texts he had and there was nothing there, he would have been accused of hiding something. Second, there’s a strong chance he had some unkind words towards Goodell and the NFL Front Office in general. It would be wise not to give that up, given it’s the NFL paying the law office that is investigating you.

    I think Brady will speak publicly, but it likely won’t be until the entire process has played out, which probably means a few more months, at least. I understand people want answers, including me, but we have to also respect that he’s doing what’s best for him at the behest of some very smart counsel right now. I understand that doesn’t sit well in an increasingly impatient culture, but I don’t think it’s fair to hold it against him. He will talk publicly at some point, though. I’m almost sure of it.

  71. cmsfl says:
    May 31, 2015 10:56 AM

    Who are you trying to kid?

    Any interview he sits down and does will have the questions pre-approved by Brady’s team.

  72. Ok, this is like beating a dead horse.

    Tom Brady did NOT have to hand over his phone. This is a workplace investigation and not a legal one, therefore, he is not obligated to do so.

    It is the same as if you are pulled over when you have done nothing wrong. No speeding, no outstanding warrents or whatnot, no violations whatsoever.. perhaps you’ve never even talked with a police officer in your entire life. You are asked to get out of the car and submit to having it searched based on “suspicion.” Saying no is not guilt and perfectly legal.

    Will the Commish view it as “not cooperating.. yes, most likely.” However, the entire Wells Report is based on assumption and “more probable than not.” I challenge ANY one to show me where it shows Brady told McNally or Jastremski to deflate the footballs. A simple page will do.

    Come on! Take the challenge.

  73. Patriots fans should be feeling good now. To paraphrase Churchill, the beginning of the end of this fiasco has now been scheduled. Brady sees that. But one of his many skills is to be able to compartmentalize. So I really don’t think he is spending too much time worrying about the appeal. He is getting ready to be under center on opening day, because that is where he will be.
    His lawyers are probably very excited. They probably don’t often get clients whose ethic is so obviously clean and to fight against such a despot and his minions.
    The guilty guys in this whole deal are Goodell and his supporters. They are the ones who are concerned and rightly so. They are the ones who rigged this whole scam simply because they couldn’t accept the fact that someone could be as successful as Brady, Belichick, Kraft et al, unless they broke serious laws. Unfortunately for Goodell, he was never able to come to terms with the fact that what “The Shield” needs to be protected from was himself. Goodell has zero integrity and for this reason he will lose his job. And Brady, once it is shown in court how badly Goodell abused his authority in his attempts to destroy Brady, he will come out as OK as he needs to be. He will be a first ballet HOF inductee.
    So rejoice, the days of good football are close at hand.

  74. Let’s be honest for a moment. Tom Brady’s chances to ever clear his name in the court of public opinion went up in smoke the moment Mortensen’s totally false report was filed and the League Office did nothing to correct it. If I’m Tom, I’m saying nothing until my defamation suit is settled.

  75. “holeinone09 says:
    May 31, 2015 10:55 AM
    The Deflator asked Jastremski for size 11 kicks, in documented texts, so Brady wouldn’t get watermellons on Sunday. Jastremski illegally took the footballs out of the referee’s possession after they were verified, and into a room, all captured on video. Brady gave the Deflator autographed size 11 kicks, in public. Then after the story broke, Brady all of a sudden starts texting and calling Jastremski, all verified by Jastremski’s phone records. And, Brady won’t let HIS OWN attorneys look at his phone to determine if he communicated with any other people about deflated footballs or similar topics.

    Yep, nothing at all happened to those footballs and Brady is as innocent as a little lamb.”

    Every inference you are making is negative, and you are also ignoring a HUGE bit of exculpatory evidence. First, players routinely give attendants gear. They work hard and are not well-paid. That’s just part of NFL culture. Second, who wouldn’t call Jastremski in that situation? Wouldn’t you call to ask what was going on? In the texts, Brady actually seems to be consoling Jastremski, telling him not to worry because he didn’t do anything wrong. To assume it was to work out a plan to lie is unwarranted.

    As to the exculpatory evidence, why was the guy called Deflator in May 2014 talking about the footballs being at 16 PSI in October 2014? If there was culture of deflating footballs, that makes no sense. And if this is such an integrity of the game issue, why are the refs blowing the footballs up to 16 PSI when the top limit is 13.5?

  76. @rhamrhoddy

    Brady = Cheater, fraud, and liar
    Bobby Kraft encourages winning at all costs, even breaking the rules and cheating.
    His team has been found guilty more than once now.
    These are facts.
    therefor…… the Patriot titles are tainted, obtained fraudulently, and UNearned.

    It’s pro football, settle down, accept the facts and deal with them

    It ain’t winning, if you cheated.
    Now
    LALALALALALAL…..I can’t hear you

  77. Oh, and there’s also the part of the Wells Report that plainly states Brady wanted McNally to bring a copy of the NFL rules to the refs pregame because the refs were routinely blowing them up too much. Why would someone who had been supposedly deflating footballs post inspection ask McNally to do that?

  78. yeah Brady is smart for being quiet. If it were any other QB you all would be saying he’s not smart for being quiet. Gosh your jobs are annoying

  79. Jastremski illegally took the footballs out of the referee’s possession after they were verified, and into a room, all captured on video.

    Dumb people posting this stuff don’t stop and ask themselves if he could deflate 12 balls 1n 120 seconds how is it 2 refs couldn’t have time in 15 minutes to test all 12 colts balls?????
    Also The NFL Officials Knew he disappeared with the balls and knew the issue at hand and did NOTHING! Why not use the back up balls they had in their possession ????

  80. Oh boo-hoo-hoo! He lied to my face! I will never like Tom Brady again! He’s a liar and a cheater! lol

    Oh please people! As if NO pro athlete has EVER lied to the public before. Um, hello! They lie ALL THE FREAKING TIME!!! Get over it.

  81. Tom Brady did NOT have to hand over his phone. This is a workplace investigation and not a legal one, therefore, he is not obligated to do so.

    ——————————

    He wasn’t asked to “hand over his phone”. He was asked for all relevant data on his phone pertaining to the investigation………with the protections of his legal team vetting what came off that phone as far as personal data not pertaining to the investigation. Only reason not to comply is because he had something to hide. He already lied to investigators about knowing McNally. They had him dead to rights and he knew it. But if he tries to make this a legal case and tries to go outside the CBA, the NFL will be able to subpoena those phone records anyway……which is why Brady hasn’t filed a lawsuit.

  82. The facts prove that Tom Brady is innocent. Referee Anderson’s testimony proves that regardless what the Wells Report want others to believe. This report was not even near fair in anyway. The appeal will bare this out.

  83. Tebowislife has hit the nail on the head. We all know this charade of an appeal will not go Brady’s way. And that’s exactly what he wants to happen. This will open the door to a civil suit where the Commish and his underlings will be forced to unveil their complete incompetence and knowledge of the bogus 2 pounds under story, yet refusal to squelch the false report. This is what created the witch hunt mentality and has permanently damaged Brady’s endorsement value. This is going to be the UGLIEST story the NFL has ever seen. It will cost them hundreds of millions of dollars, and it was all avoidable. Had the punishment fit the crime, Brady would have moved on. I still feel Kraft has made a huge mistake by caving in. His “Patriots” brand has also taken a big endorsement hit outside of New England.

  84. All this deflate gate case was not worthwhile for the Pats. Just to get the balls as Brady likes them, they lost reputation for ever and 1st round pick. Just stupid!! The Pats are not only cheaters they are plain idiots.

  85. @stixzidinia:

    No soup for you sparky. Doesn’t Brady and the NFLPA have to go through the appeals process first?

    Stop hatin’ yo

  86. A question for the haters.

    Why do you not want Brady to get a fair hearing that let’s him respond to the Wells report and for Wells and the NFL to be subjected to questioning?
    ——————————————–

    I am not a “hater,” but I have no problem with that.

    Two questions for you.

    1.) Why won’t Brady release copies of the texts on his phone that were related to the investigation? (Please don’t try and use the “I wouldn’t turn over my phone” excuse as Well only asked for a transcript of the texts, NOT THE PHONE IT SELF.).

    2.) Why did your owner accept punishment for an offense you claim was not committed?

    I will wait for your answer.

  87. Stixzidinia is obviously still upset about the 55-31 whupping Brady laid on the Steelers. Hey tough guy, what does it say about your team that a “wuss” like Brady takes them to the woodshed every time they play. Take your wannabe tough guy act back to the 70’s.

  88. tebowislife says:
    May 31, 2015 9:15 AM

    He is already guilty in court of public opinion. Doesn’t matter what happens from here on out. His endorsement value has taken a big hit.
    ——–
    And yet not one company has dropped him. That tells you all you need to know. The corporate world, where it’s all about the money, has determined that Brady will be vindicated.

  89. If I were a lawyer and the NFL came to me with the wells report and wanted me to convict Brady based on just that, I’d say no way. I don’t think any team should be allowed to go unpunished for cheating whether it’s peds, crowd nose, ball tampering, illegal practices, or even the replay “issues” for visiting teams. I say the NFL should take every team into consideration, tally up the violations, then dole out the punishments accordingly. Let’s face it, peds are a way more serious rule violation than suspicion of tampering with a football…especially if you can’t even tell if it was tampered with.

  90. Why has no one been able to explain how a team cuts their fumbles in half in one off season?

    Pats fumbles pre-rule change 1/44 plays.

    Pats fumbles post-rule change 1/74 plays.

    Don’t embarrass yourselves with dumb comments about other teams, disproven stats, or kneel downs.

    Look the stats up for yourself and explain how a team consistently in the 1 fumble to mid forty plays for years before the rule change suddenly dropped to 1 fumble to mid seventy plays each year after the rule changed. This wasn’t gradual, it happened in one off season immediately upon the rule change.

    Same coach, same QB.

    Deflated balls and cheating for years.

  91. ocgunslinger says:
    May 31, 2015 9:28 AM
    He has stated he likes a PSI of 12.5. They were in the range of the league rules at halftime with the cold weatger and the league can’t even tell you the truth up front. The league didn’t record the pressure or which of the gauges were used and they acknowledge there was a difference in the gauges. Previously the max penalty was $25,000. Yeah it’s obvious what is the goal here.
    —————————-
    So you believe the league has the intentin of possibly losing ratings for opening night? Sorry but there wouldn’t be a suspension unless it’s warrented especially with what’s at risk.

  92. itsfootballbaby says:
    May 31, 2015 9:47 AM

    If you didn’t do it then let’s see your phone.

    ************************************************

    What is this “let’s” business? You have nothing to do with this. Social media is great for some things but it gives the simple minded people like you some crazy idea that you have something to do with this. You do not. You won’t be seeing or deciding anything. Now run along and get a life, would you?

  93. kcchefs58 says:
    May 31, 2015 11:35 AM

    Uh, he would’ve been smarter to tell the truth from the beginning.
    —Uh……..would have been nice if the NFL league office did. They are the proven liars and have yet to come clean on how and why such obviously bogus leaks occurred that sealed the Patriots and Brady’s fate from day one. Guilty in the eyes of a misinformed public. Mission accomplished by the lowlife’s who set up this whole cooked up scandal.

  94. jcpad58 says:
    May 31, 2015 10:39 AM
    Most of the penalty Brady received was for not cooperating with the investigation. This part of the penalty cannot be overturned by the court because the NFL has internal rules legally contracted…. No matter how the court rules, the penalty will remain just for the lack of cooperation, this a true and hard fact.

    ======================

    You almost make a good point. But let’s go back to the last time the NFL penalized a player for not making his cell phone available in an investigation. It was Brett Favre (ironically, then playing for the Jets), in 2010, investigated on sexual harassment charges. The NFL penalized him $50,000 and sent him a stern letter. And that was it. The difference between the Favre and Brady penalties suggests that there is no consistent standard of discipline within the NFL. Brady is not being penalized for refusing to turn over his personal (not league-issued) cell phone to an investigation that had more leaks than the Titanic. He is being penalized for being the public face of the most successful franchise of the last 15 years by a group of small-minded partisans who have inexplicably risen to positions of importance in the league office.

  95. The haters are dying down which is very nice to see but the ones still around are really starting to sound like broken records…
    Breaking records is Tom Brady’s job!!

    #GoPats
    #PatsNation
    #TB12
    #BestEvah

  96. To call the “Deflator” reference in the text messages of the investigation as a man that is trying to lose weight tell us everything we need to know about the Pats: They a bunch of crooks with no shame.

    The Pats think America as the land of the braves idiots.

  97. How can you say someone cheated when the ball pressure was at most .6 psi and a majority of them were .4 psi below. I understand everyone hates the patriots because their team has more than likely been bent over a few times but this is a witch hunt. #framegate

  98. BRADY GOT CAUGHT IN A STING DOING WHAT NFL QBS HAVE AND ARE DOING FOR YEARS IN THE NFL..GAINING A EDGE AS ARE MOST NFL PLAYERS ASK JERRY RICE..KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT TOM

  99. Logic question. The only really damning thing of the Wells report was the deflator comments in May of last year. But if the alleged cheating happened from back then, how could the Jets game balls of October last year be inflated to 16 psi? Added to that, the text responses from that game don’t really sound like “why did our scheme not work” but rather “damn he’s picky what’s the big deal?”

  100. stixzidinia??

    You feel better now? Good. Now wake up from your cute little fantasy rant. Neither Pats fans nor anyone associated with the Patriots organization give two shakes what you think. A Steeler fan throwing stones is about as hypocritical as it gets.

  101. Let me know if I’m missing something but wouldn’t it be even smarter to turn over his cell phone if he is innocent?
    ______________________________

    What will be even more interesting is if he goes to court will Roger Goodell, Troy Vincent and Ted Wells allow unfettered access to their phones. If not you have to say they are “Probably” lying!

  102. To speak further will be feeding the trolls.— Patriots is still the SB champions. Chew on that haters.

  103. The folks believing this cheating doody fall into two categories.
    Either your team has felt a Brady beat down (fans) or you are on a team (playeers coaches etc) that has felt a beat down.

    Either way the GOAT has beaten you over and over again.

    # time SB MVP and $ time SB Champ plays on week 1 after the courts throw out that reedicyouluss suspension

  104. ejmat2 says:
    May 31, 2015 11:51 AM

    ocgunslinger says:
    May 31, 2015 9:28 AM
    He has stated he likes a PSI of 12.5. They were in the range of the league rules at halftime with the cold weatger and the league can’t even tell you the truth up front. The league didn’t record the pressure or which of the gauges were used and they acknowledge there was a difference in the gauges. Previously the max penalty was $25,000. Yeah it’s obvious what is the goal here.
    —————————-
    So you believe the league has the intentin of possibly losing ratings for opening night? Sorry but there wouldn’t be a suspension unless it’s warrented especially with what’s at risk.
    ___________________________
    Lose ratings?! The NFL has guaranteed that the Patriots are ratings gold. Coincidence that Brady’s suspension ends just in time for the game with the Colts? Hell no! Good god how can so many people be so freakin naïve? That opening night game will be must see TV.

  105. Of course Brady should keep quiet, for now. Like he said, it’s a process. Let the different stages unfold. The proclaiming innocence, or being outraged at the charges phase isn’t here yet.

    Who would you listen to great legal minds, or idiotic football fans? This isn’t about Pats fans wanting what’s best for Brady, it’s about them wanting something to fire back with at clueless attackers.

    This game isn’t over, it’s just getting interesting. He who laughs last, laughs best.

  106. mikeleasara says:
    May 31, 2015 11:17 AM

    Jastremski illegally took the footballs out of the referee’s possession after they were verified, and into a room, all captured on video.

    Dumb people posting this stuff don’t stop and ask themselves if he could deflate 12 balls 1n 120 seconds how is it 2 refs couldn’t have time in 15 minutes to test all 12 colts balls?????
    Also The NFL Officials Knew he disappeared with the balls and knew the issue at hand and did NOTHING! Why not use the back up balls they had in their possession ????

    It was McNally who took the balls to the field. But like everything from this whole mess why let facts stand in the way of a good hate.

  107. I love how the haters think one non fact proves Brady’s guilt in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

    How did the NFL react to the Nobel prize winner’s testimony on the weather’s impact on ball pressure.? They smeared him as a hack who sold his reputation because a Kraft affiliate had invested in one of his companies.

    The pattern is that when the facts don’t support their position the NFL smears an individual: Brady, the ball boy, and the Nobel prize winner.

  108. billsman says:
    May 31, 2015 12:15 PM

    Patriots fans are clowns. Your wonder boy as well as your team are cheaters.
    ——————————————–Well if it’s clowns you’re looking for look no further than your own head coach. Enjoy that not making the playoffs streak.

  109. “Terry Bradshaw didn’t need 15 years to get 4 rings, he needed 6.”

    Steeler fans should not post this stuff.

    First team to force players to use steroids as part of training. Tainted Trophy’s. Why not look up how many players are dead or seriously ill now. Was it worth it? The Steelers are the reason why PED’s are banned.

  110. I dont get why my fellow Pats fans care so much about what other fans think. Most NFL fans think Rothlisberger is a bad human being who got off easy, they think Rodgers is a guy who cares too much about his image, they think Manning is a guy only interested in his own stats and not winning SBs, Romo is a guy who can’t win the big game, etc etc. My point is other fans never like the other team. Thats sort of why sports is so interesting. I want to seee the Pats go out next season and win another SB just to annoy fans of other teams. Thats driving my interest. I dont care that Joe Blow from “non-New England city” respects Tom Brady or the Patriots. They still wouldn’t want their team to play the Pats in the playoffs, and that is the only type of respect you are going to get.

  111. billsman says:
    May 31, 2015 12:15 PM

    I am billsman. I see one every morning in the mirror.

    Stop hatin’ on people calling people clowns buddy!!

  112. Tom shady is keeping quiet because he had nothing to say to prove his innocence. It’s not about being quiet your smarter. He’s deflated balls for his entire career and he’s now been caught. He been publicly recorded saying he likes his footballs deflated. The deflator called himself the deflator because he’s trying to lose weight. We all laughed at that one. Shady Brady is being advised by his scrambling lawyers before his hole becomes deeper them it is. The world knows he’s guilty and he will never come clean because that’s what cheaters do. His legacy is tarnished anyways. The Steelers win the right way not like this tainted organization.

  113. macker1283 says:
    May 31, 2015 12:24 PM

    I want to seee the Pats go out next season and win another SB just to annoy fans of other teams…I dont care that Joe Blow from “non-New England city” respects Tom Brady or the Patriots. They still wouldn’t want their team to play the Pats in the playoffs, and that is the only type of respect you are going to get.

    vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

    heh…that’s about my bottom line too. can’t wait for next season

  114. I am a Patriots fan:

    I follow the Pied Piper like a lemming to the sea….

    Whatever word comes from the Organization of Almighty Patriots’ (OAP) is true. OAP has assumed total control.

    Patriot fans are true believers.

  115. ocgunslinger says:
    May 31, 2015 9:28 AM
    He has stated he likes a PSI of 12.5. They were in the range of the league rules at halftime with the cold weatger and the league can’t even tell you the truth up front. The league didn’t record the pressure or which of the gauges were used and they acknowledge there was a difference in the gauges. Previously the max penalty was $25,000. Yeah it’s obvious what is the goal here.

    ****
    There was NEVER a max penalty, it is very clearly stated “not limited to.”
    This is why Patriot fans have no credibility when they post all their other excuses. You can’t comprehend that simple statement, yet you want people to believe you read (and understood) a 243 page legal report?!?!

    #25kminimum

    #seanpaytonhasnosympathy4u

  116. mikeleasara says:
    May 31, 2015 11:17 AM

    Jastremski illegally took the footballs out of the referee’s possession after they were verified, and into a room, all captured on video.

    Dumb people posting this stuff don’t stop and ask themselves if he could deflate 12 balls 1n 120 seconds how is it 2 refs couldn’t have time in 15 minutes to test all 12 colts balls?????
    Also The NFL Officials Knew he disappeared with the balls and knew the issue at hand and did NOTHING! Why not use the back up balls they had in their possession ????
    * * *

    Nobody said the officials or Wells did things perfectly. But please stop with the distractions about the CAUSE . The officials would not have had to RECHECK BALLS and there would be NO Wells report if the Deflator didn’t take the balls in the first place. And it was proven there was enough time to stick a needle in 12 balls while in the bathroom. But again, there would be no allegations if the Deflator didn’t take the balls. And there is no doubt that no one would touch those balls without Brady knowing about it.

    *

  117. ennerut2000 says:
    May 31, 2015 12:21 PM
    “Terry Bradshaw didn’t need 15 years to get 4 rings, he needed 6.”

    Steeler fans should not post this stuff.

    First team to force players to use steroids as part of training. Tainted Trophy’s. Why not look up how many players are dead or seriously ill now. Was it worth it? The Steelers are the reason why PED’s are banned.
    —————————————————

    This is exactly the kind of LIE that makes the New England Patriots fan the least respected and most despised in sports. Because it makes them HYPOCRITES crying and whining about the “lies” told about their team.

    In the words of crying whining Pats fans: “look up the facts before you go blindly spouting off.” Look up the name “Alvin Roy” and you’ll see that the 1963 San Diego Chargers were routinely prescribing steroids for their team. (ESPN even did a special on this.) In fact steroids had been used by athletes for decades before the ’70s Steelers ever came along. It’s nothing new, and wasn’t considered illegal or even wrong back then.

    You Patriots fans cry and whine about how people aren’t looking into the facts or reading the reports. But just as I’ve said all along, you have no problem doing it where other teams are concerned.

    Look up the facts, ennerut2000 dude, then be a man and apologize for the falsehoods you’ve been spreading.

  118. If he was cheating it still couldn’t get the team a W in Lambeau. 2-2 vs. Green Bay including one game started by Matt Flynn. Also curiously could not get past the Giants when it mattered most.

  119. Brady will play ALL games in 2015. After the appeal is denied the NFLPA will go to court and the suspension will be overturned. Apparently the NFL, ESPN, Indy writers, can make up whatever stories they want but an actual court will laugh at this case (there is no case).

    We all realize that no matter what happens everybody outside of NE will continue to call Brady a cheater. Once it’s said people just grab on and won’t let go. The fact the the NFL did not correct the original leak of 2 PSI under caused this entire mess. Nobody cared about this rule (Panthers, Chargers..) before the outrageous and proven false league accusation.

    Since you just have to make an accusation for it to be true let me be the first to say that Andrew Luck is a cheater.

  120. Super Bowl MVP and the greatest QB that ever existed in the history of football doesn’t have to say a thing about it if the Super Bowl MVP and greatest QB in the history of football is not inclined to do so.

    Besides…Rafael Palmeiro pounded his chest and demanded people know he never cheated and never took PEDs. How did that turn out?

    🙂

  121. ampatsisahypocrite says:

    May 31, 2015 12:48 PMLook up the facts, ennerut2000 dude, then be a man and apologize for the falsehoods you’ve been spreading.

    ——————————————————–

    We’re talking about the NFL not the AFL. I’ll accept your apology. The Steelers are the reason why.

    As usual we win again.

    I’ll wait for your apology.

  122. profootball13 says:
    May 31, 2015 11:41 AM
    A question for the haters.

    Why do you not want Brady to get a fair hearing that let’s him respond to the Wells report and for Wells and the NFL to be subjected to questioning?
    ——————————————–

    I am not a “hater,” but I have no problem with that.

    Two questions for you.

    1.) Why won’t Brady release copies of the texts on his phone that were related to the investigation? (Please don’t try and use the “I wouldn’t turn over my phone” excuse as Well only asked for a transcript of the texts, NOT THE PHONE IT SELF.).

    2.) Why did your owner accept punishment for an offense you claim was not committed?

    I will wait for your answer.
    =============================
    Here are your answers:

    1)because after 5 1/2 hrs durring which he was FULLY COOPERATIVE & answering EVERY question FULLY, Brady , being the very cerebral & intellectual man that he is, realized that Wells & his team had already come to the conclusion of guilt as opposed to being independent information collectors & being unbiased in their fact findings search as he was led to believe was suppose to be the case, so he wisely drew the line with his PERSONAL cell phone as he no longer trusted Wells & his team to look at things honestly & unbiased anymore… Basically Brady didn’t trust him to do his job!!!
    Wells was suppose to be a gather of information for the league… An independent party but instead became a judge & formed opinions as an independent inspection would NOT do… It was the Leagues responsibility to interperate the findings not his!!!

    2) Kraft is an OWNER.. A SINGLE member of 32 VERY RICH & ELITE BUSINESS PARTNERS… It would have been BOTH POLITICAL & FINANCIAL suicide to fight them… He would have in ess acne had to SUE HIMSELF & HIS BUSINESS PARTNERS to fight the league that HE Is a member of….the League is a CASH COW for Him & his PARTNERS…. To fight them would be the most stupidest thing he could do as an owner & member of the league… He ANGRILY & RELUCTANTLY surrendered to his business partners in a NO WIN situation…really not that hard to figure out!!!

  123. In fact steroids had been used by athletes for decades before the ’70s Steelers ever came along. It’s nothing new, and wasn’t considered illegal or even wrong back then


    Wrong on just about everything you said but who’s counting? 🙂

  124. Goodell will do the only thing he can do at this point and overturn the suspension on the premise of some new information that Brady presents. If he only reduces the punishment and it doesn’t please the Brady team and this ends up in court it would be a disaster for the league. An independent arbitrator is going to be a bit more inquisitive than the talking heads on ESPN and fans of teams who have been losing to the pats for years. And ultimately the discovery that the wells report can’t even provide evidence that the balls were deflated, let alone that Tom was generally aware of it, would be impossible to reconcile with the historic punishment levied on the team.

  125. Mr. Reality…. Explain how the Patriots have fumbled Less on the road every year since 2007.,…EVERY YEAR

  126. Lets pump the brakes on the lies and falsehoods about steroids and the steelers. Steroids were not illegal in the NFL at that time, but had been banned by the Olympics in 1975, because it produced a competitive advantage. Steroids weren’t used for decades before the steelers. The Chargaers initiated an organized strength program in the early 60’s and immediately went from bottom feeders to contenders. This ‘strength program’ then spread to the raiders and the steelers through their strength coaches. After that it spread to the rest of the NFL. Was it cheating, no. Were the steelers ahead of the curve and did they obtain a competitive advantage, probably. After the side affects became manifest, they were banned from sports, which is when the ahead of the curve guys went to HGH. Guys using banned substances to get an edge are always ahead of the guys trying to catch them. But, using the ‘they weren’t banned’ and ‘everybody did it’ defense are the exact things people criticize the Pats fans for doing.

  127. We’re talking about the NFL not the AFL. I’ll accept your apology. The Steelers are the reason why.

    As usual we win again.

    I’ll wait for your apology.

    —-
    “It (steroid use) started in Pittsburgh”
    — Jim Haslett

    “What we did was wrong”
    — Terry Bradshaw in his and his teams cheating with illegal PEDs.

    Why would Bradshaw say such a thing if steroid abuse was as legal as Steeler apologists would like to think? (Hint: it was certainly not)

    🙂

  128. Team wide NFL steroid use started where?

    “It started, really, in Pittsburgh. They got an advantage on a lot of football teams. They were so much stronger (in the) ’70s, late ’70s, early ’80s. They’re the ones who kind of started it.” – stated Jim Haslett

    Talking NFL teams here kids. You all take things out of context like Ted Wells.

  129. Steroids were not illegal in the NFL at that time

    —-

    You see that is unfortunately a disingenuous half truth.

    It is true that Steroids as prescription drug with a valid prescription was not illegal at the time. They didn’t become a controlled substance until much later.

    HOWEVER

    ABUSE of steroids or any other prescription drug most certainly was illegal. Using steroids to gain an athletic edge certainly qualifies as abuse.

    If it was legal…this would be out in the open, there would be no stigma or effort to hide steroid abuse by that organization or any other team and a HOF QB certainly wouldn’t talk about it as “wrong”.

    It wasn’t. They cheated.

    It is what it is. Without a doubt it’s the shameless hypocrisy of most of the Steeler fanbase when it comes to “cheating” that makes Pats fans happy to point this out more than anything.

  130. No matt how you fell about Brady & the PATRIOTS it is CLEAR that this is a POWER STRUGGLE that is NOT on par with INTEGRITY and to protect UNFAIR ADVANTAGE /Rule 17.

    This is about NFL Players/Teams becoming too big for Goodell’s belief in NFL PARITY.

    BRADY & PATRIOTS are a threat to NFL Authoritarian Rule. It has nothing to do with cheating, since every NFL game is played with cheating – holding, PI, offsides etc. About half of the cheating is caught and penalized while the other half is overlooked or missed.

    Had the Well$ report PROVEN with CLEA EVIDENCE that RULE 17 was violated in such a way that it determined the outcome of the game, then and only then would the penalties be JUSTIFIED.

    This is a WAR for NFL CONTROL & INTIMIDATION versus PLAYERS & TEAMS RIGHTS to a FAIR & IMPARTIAL DUE PROCESS.

    UNITE with BRADY – DEFEAT GOODELL

  131. Iknowitall says:
    May 31, 2015 9:10 AM
    Tom Brady = Liar, cheater, fraud, imposter.

    Every title by accumulated by the Patriots are tainted, unearned and obtained fraudulently.

    Bobby Kraft encourages this system of unethical behavior, and is an embarrassment to each of the LEGITIMATE 31 teams.

    ————-
    I’m still waiting for one of you geniuses to explain how any of the Patriot’s 1st three SBs are tainted…..

  132. Simply put Brady is greater than (>) Goodell. Goodell win lose again and when all is said and done he goes down as one of the worst commisioners in NFL history.

    Brady goes down as the greatest QB ever.

    No question about that.

    Goodell should quit right now.

    NFL history books can’t be rewritten neither can Goodells failings as the Commish.

    Brady wins again. He is used to it.

  133. solo681 says:
    May 31, 2015 1:31 PM
    No matt how you fell about Brady & the PATRIOTS it is CLEAR that this is a POWER STRUGGLE that is NOT on par with INTEGRITY and to protect UNFAIR ADVANTAGE /Rule 17.

    This is about NFL Players/Teams becoming too big for Goodell’s belief in NFL PARITY.

    BRADY & PATRIOTS are a threat to NFL Authoritarian Rule. It has nothing to do with cheating, since every NFL game is played with cheating – holding, PI, offsides etc. About half of the cheating is caught and penalized while the other half is overlooked or missed.

    Had the Well$ report PROVEN with CLEA EVIDENCE that RULE 17 was violated in such a way that it determined the outcome of the game, then and only then would the penalties be JUSTIFIED.

    This is a WAR for NFL CONTROL & INTIMIDATION versus PLAYERS & TEAMS RIGHTS to a FAIR & IMPARTIAL DUE PROCESS.

    UNITE with BRADY – DEFEAT GOODELL

    ****
    You rant and rave that everyone is jealous of the Patriots and will do anything, no matter how devious and underhanded to bring them down, that we’re all “haters” because our team loses to them constantly, and then ask everyone to unite with Brady to defeat the guy who is making their dreams come true???

    Seriously???

    #methisbadmanstop

    #CultureofDelusion

  134. profootball13 says:
    May 31, 2015 11:41 AM
    A question for the haters.

    Why do you not want Brady to get a fair hearing that let’s him respond to the Wells report and for Wells and the NFL to be subjected to questioning?
    ——————————————–

    I am not a “hater,” but I have no problem with that.

    Two questions for you.

    1.) Why won’t Brady release copies of the texts on his phone that were related to the investigation? (Please don’t try and use the “I wouldn’t turn over my phone” excuse as Well only asked for a transcript of the texts, NOT THE PHONE IT SELF.).

    2.) Why did your owner accept punishment for an offense you claim was not committed?

    I will wait for your answer.
    =============================
    Here are your answers:

    1)because after 5 1/2 hrs durring which he was FULLY COOPERATIVE & answering EVERY question FULLY, Brady , being the very cerebral & intellectual man that he is, realized that Wells & his team had already come to the conclusion of guilt as opposed to being independent information collectors & being unbiased in their fact findings search as he was led to believe was suppose to be the case, so he wisely drew the line with his PERSONAL cell phone as he no longer trusted Wells & his team to look at things honestly & unbiased anymore… Basically Brady didn’t trust him to do his job!!!
    Wells was suppose to be a gather of information for the league… An independent party but instead became a judge & formed opinions as an independent inspection would NOT do… It was the Leagues responsibility to interperate the findings not his!!!

    2) Kraft is an OWNER.. A SINGLE member of 32 VERY RICH & ELITE BUSINESS PARTNERS… It would have been BOTH POLITICAL & FINANCIAL suicide to fight them… He would have in ess acne had to SUE HIMSELF & HIS BUSINESS PARTNERS to fight the league that HE Is a member of….the League is a CASH COW for Him & his PARTNERS…. To fight them would be the most stupidest thing he could do as an owner & member of the league… He ANGRILY & RELUCTANTLY surrendered to his business partners in a NO WIN situation…really not that hard to figure out!!
    ——————————–
    Okay, first off, deep breath………

    Now, why would withholding the text help, unless there was incriminating evidence? Wouldn’t releasing this information help clear his name?

    Also, if Kraft was supposedly in this “no win” situation then why not just say that from the start?

  135. chuckshontaspads says:
    May 31, 2015 1:05 PM

    Mr. Reality…. Explain how the Patriots have fumbled Less on the road every year since 2007.,…EVERY YEAR

    First, answering a question with a question?

    Amateur

    So you have no answer other than your team has cheated every year under Belichick.

    Oh by the way, not that I would expect delusional Pats’ fans who talk of team boycotts and Kraft law suits, to actually even know what the rule change did, but it let teams provide their own balls AT HOME AND ON THE ROAD.

    Feel free to look that up also.

  136. No matt how you fell about Brady & the PATRIOTS it is CLEAR that this is a POWER STRUGGLE that is NOT on par with INTEGRITY and to protect UNFAIR ADVANTAGE /Rule 17.

    This is about NFL Players/Teams becoming too big for Goodell’s belief in NFL PARITY.
    ———————————–

    I disagree. This is not a power struggle, it is an investigation into possible Cheating…..you can try and twist it any way you like, but it is about possible Cheating….

  137. I’m still waiting for one of you geniuses to explain how any of the Patriot’s 1st three SBs are tainted…..
    ———————————-

    So you are admitting that this last one is tainted right?…..

  138. The Patriots have the only real dynasty in the league.

    All others are tainted and were not acheived during the salary cap era.

    Period …end of story.

  139. Foxboro stadium makes the NSA look like radio shack. It is no wonder the team cheats so hard to get the home field advantage.

  140. TO harrybucsfan no one could but Brady. So mother Natuyre and Colts sideline who had one ball on their sidelines,under their control and it turnrd out to be way different than the other balls. I guess Brady controls the weather putting him in parrell with God.

  141. Mr’ Reality doesn’t deal with reality.

    It is true that visiting teams provide the balls. they rought them up and prepare them for game play in the week before an away game.

    On the road the home team provides the ref’s locker room attendant who brings both teams balls to the locker room where the refs check the balls. He then brings them out to the field after inspection. It is impossible for visiting teams to tamper with those balls. Your point about on the road fumbles proves one thing. The Patriots don’t fumble the ball on the road or at home. A pure sign of a well coached team.

    We win again.

  142. After his case is resolved, Brady needs to submit to a no-holds-barred sit-down interview and tell his story, fully and completely with no unanswered questions and no half truths.
    —————————————————————–
    And the last time you saw an innocent person do this was when? Who?

  143. Claiming Shady Brady is the best qb ever is laughable since he has been involved in spygate, the tuck rule and now deflategate. Didn’t Deflady lose 2 superbowls to the Giants in the mist of still cheating and deflating footballs all those years. Everybody knows he did. Joe Montana and Terry Bradysaw NEVER lost a superbowl and never was caught cheating. That alone makes him superior over the NFLs biggest cheater. 4-0>4-2 with asterisks. The only thing Thomas deflady brady is the greatest at is deflating footballs. He might as well be an ostrich with his head in the sand.

  144. The Patriots are not a real dynasty in the league.

    They are tainted and their tainted wins were acheived during the salary cap era.

    Period …end of story.
    ——————-

    There I fixed it for you…

  145. Steroids were not illegal in the NFL at that time

    —-

    You see that is unfortunately a disingenuous half truth.

    It is true that Steroids as prescription drug with a valid prescription was not illegal at the time. They didn’t become a controlled substance until much later.

    HOWEVER

    ABUSE of steroids or any other prescription drug most certainly was illegal. Using steroids to gain an athletic edge certainly qualifies as abuse.

    If it was legal…this would be out in the open, there would be no stigma or effort to hide steroid abuse by that organization or any other team and a HOF QB certainly wouldn’t talk about it as “wrong”.

    It wasn’t. They cheated.

    It is what it is. Without a doubt it’s the shameless hypocrisy of most of the Steeler fanbase when it comes to “cheating” that makes Pats fans happy to point this out more than anything.

    Steroids were not illegal in the NFL at that time

    —-

    You see that is unfortunately a disingenuous half truth.

    It is true that Steroids as prescription drug with a valid prescription was not illegal at the time. They didn’t become a controlled substance until much later.

    HOWEVER

    ABUSE of steroids or any other prescription drug most certainly was illegal. Using steroids to gain an athletic edge certainly qualifies as abuse.

    If it was legal…this would be out in the open, there would be no stigma or effort to hide steroid abuse by that organization or any other team and a HOF QB certainly wouldn’t talk about it as “wrong”.

    It wasn’t. They cheated.

    It is what it is. Without a doubt it’s the shameless hypocrisy of most of the Steeler fanbase when it comes to “cheating” that makes Pats fans happy to point this out more than anything.

    Steroids were not illegal in the NFL at that time

    —-

    You see that is unfortunately a disingenuous half truth.

    It is true that Steroids as prescription drug with a valid prescription was not illegal at the time. They didn’t become a controlled substance until much later.

    HOWEVER

    ABUSE of steroids or any other prescription drug most certainly was illegal. Using steroids to gain an athletic edge certainly qualifies as abuse.

    If it was legal…this would be out in the open, there would be no stigma or effort to hide steroid abuse by that organization or any other team and a HOF QB certainly wouldn’t talk about it as “wrong”.

    It wasn’t. They cheated.

    It is what it is. Without a doubt it’s the shameless hypocrisy of most of the Steeler fanbase when it comes to “cheating” that makes Pats fans happy to point this out more than anything.

    I think you need to check your facts, which you rarely do preferring to lie until proven wrong and then you grab the pompous and hide. Bradshaw said he took steroids……..anti inflammatory and not anabolic. Reading comprehension Pom Pom boy is something you need to learn …also repeating a lie over and over does not make it true…maybe in your twisted little mind but not to adults.

  146. What page in the Wells report did the ball boys told them that Brady asked them to deflate the balls? What page did Brady said that he wants the balls UNDER 12.5 PSI. He told the ball boys to SHOW the referees the RULE BOOK about the correct balls’ psi. Is that an act of the guilty or a cheater? It’s an act of a person who thinks the referees are not doing their jobs and Brady is correct. The NFL bungled their own sting and cooked the book to cover their behind. It’s a win-win for Goodell and the NFL. Deflategate deflected the scrutiny from all the serious scandals and their incompetence in handling them and they have the highest ratings thanks to their feeding lies to the media hacks. They achieve parity by suspending Brady and taking draft picks. That’s the only way to level the playing field, cripple the Patriots. Haters think that whiff of air can defeat their teams. The refs will make sure the balls will have the correct psi, Brady maybe will be out for a few games. The Patriots is on to 2015, as BB said. Patriots will win. The other coaches will snitch and whine. So the cycle begins.

  147. Same old story with you pea brains.
    Read the headline and go straight to posting a message.

  148. This is no lie.

    BB is the best coach ever.
    Brady the best QB ever.
    Patriots are a dynasty.
    Brady is the SB MVP 3 times.
    Patriots have won 4 SB titles in 14 years.
    They are the winningest team in pro sports during that time.

    You are all jealous and sadly gullible.
    That will never change.

  149. I will wait for your answer.
    =============================
    Here are your answers:

    1)because after 5 1/2 hrs durring which he was FULLY COOPERATIVE & answering EVERY question FULLY, Brady , being the very cerebral & intellectual man that he is, realized that Wells & his team had already come to the conclusion of guilt as opposed to being independent information collectors & being unbiased in their fact findings search as he was led to believe was suppose to be the case, so he wisely drew the line with his PERSONAL cell phone as he no longer trusted Wells & his team to look at things honestly & unbiased anymore… Basically Brady didn’t trust him to do his job!!!
    Wells was suppose to be a gather of information for the league… An independent party but instead became a judge & formed opinions as an independent inspection would NOT do… It was the Leagues responsibility to interperate the findings not his!!!

    2) Kraft is an OWNER.. A SINGLE member of 32 VERY RICH & ELITE BUSINESS PARTNERS… It would have been BOTH POLITICAL & FINANCIAL suicide to fight them… He would have in ess acne had to SUE HIMSELF & HIS BUSINESS PARTNERS to fight the league that HE Is a member of….the League is a CASH COW for Him & his PARTNERS…. To fight them would be the most stupidest thing he could do as an owner & member of the league… He ANGRILY & RELUCTANTLY surrendered to his business partners in a NO WIN situation…really not that hard to figure out!!
    ——————————–
    Okay, first off, deep breath………

    Now, why would withholding the text help, unless there was incriminating evidence? Wouldn’t releasing this information help clear his name?

    Also, if Kraft was supposedly in this “no win” situation then why not just say that from the start?

    ================================
    Ok I’ll further elaborate… But I’m done after this trying to help you see logically & fairly…. Besides you probably never read the report but just like to troll so here goes…
    1)the Wells report interperated texts as they saw fit dismissing anything that didn’t work in their predetermined conclusions… Hence the text about the guy calling himself the deflator… That text was in MAY… You know when NO games were being played but Wells made it to look like it was durring the season durring games to better serve his report… If Brady had turned over ANYTHING , no matter how trivial, if it’s used out of context like the previous text was it could be used to make him look guilty or non complying even if he wasn’t… Again Wells was NOT doing his job he was tying to find guilt where there wasn’t any so he selectively chose his findings to point that way & dismissed findings that contradicted his views… tHAT is NOT being independent , that is trying to justify a huge Invoice to the people( league) that are paying you to do…. It WAS A STING & wells even tried to explain that it wasn’t… Why would he even mention that in a report not even yet published unless it was…
    2) I’m guessing Kraft was under the impression he actually was going to get a fair & unbiased informational report from the wells team where the League could then look at it & determine the results but instead got a judgement by the independent investigation with ZERO evidence found & conclusions of ” more Probable than not” & ” generally aware” after 3+ months of research that inturn led to unpresidented sanctions by the league against his team & franchise… So I’m guessing he was justifiably angry & outraged & vented accordingly… & it took him time to calm down & realize he as an owner was S.O.L…..sure he could have fought the other 31 members but to what avail… He doesn’t have the same luxury as PLAYERS do to fight the league….Kraft doesn’t like to lose but business wise it was the only thing he could do … VENT his frustration & NEVER admit his team did anything wrong… He’s gonna let Brady DESTROY the Welks report in court… He CAN sit back & enjoy THAT without reprocussions from the other 31 members of the league he’s part of!!!

  150. Favorite excuse #3: Parity

    As if a commissioner would risk not only his own career, but a multi-billion dollar industry to kneecap a team that went AN ENTIRE DECADE!!! without winning a championship.

    #narcissisticpersonalitydisorder

    #eliisparity4thepats

  151. realitycheckbaby says:
    May 31, 2015 2:38 PM

    Still waiting for the answer.

    The one that explains the fumble reduction without cheating.

    I suspect it will be some time.

    ———————————-

    Two possible explainations. actually conclusions…

    You can’t read and or can’t comprehend what you are reading.

    Yes that’s it!!

  152. realitycheckbaby says:
    May 31, 2015 2:38 PM

    Still waiting for the answer.

    The one that explains the fumble reduction without cheating.

    I suspect it will be some time.
    ————–
    The explanation is that Warren Sharp, the author of fumble report, cherry-picked the data, just like the authors of the Wells Report did, in order to make the Patriots look like cheaters.

    The fumble report was thoroughly debunked not long after it was released.

    I guess all of the Patriots haters follow the same path of using only cherry-picked data to support their incorrect assumptions, and no amount of debunking changes their opinions.

  153. Reality……. Ben Jarvis Green Ellis who never fumbled in college or with the patriots leaves the team in 2012 the patriots go to Steven Ridley in 2013 and the Patriots fall to #23 in fumbles. Ridley gets hurt and is benched and the Patriots go back to #2 in 2014….. Amateur!

  154. realitycheckbaby says:
    May 31, 2015 2:38 PM
    Still waiting for the answer.

    The one that explains the fumble reduction without cheating.

    I suspect it will be some time.
    ==============================

    That “Report analyzing fumbles” is as skewed if not more skewed than the Wells report itself… It’s been debunked numerous times & you just choose to keep spewing it as some form of PROOF that it’s a result of statistics that just aren’t accurate in their analysis…the Wells report used Exponant as the lab to back his findings… The same lab that supported that second hand smoke doesn’t cause cancer for the tabacco companies & also reported asbestos does not cause lung cancer… POINT BEING, statistics can be made to look however you want them to IF you only use CERTAIN criteria to form a based opinion….
    PLEASE try to get some NEW material as yours is OLD, SKEWED, & many times refuted using ALL statistics available…. When THAT was done the Pats weren’t even in the top 3 …. Besides that original stat took out dome teams teams & total fumbles in it’s interpretation as opposed to ALL TEAMS & fumbles recovered by the team that fumbled…see very SKEWED results!!! Not actual!!!
    So keep trolling & the Pats will keep winning!!
    Fair enough??!!

  155. what i dont get is: Where are all the honest Patriot fans…? They cant all be blind lemmings who defend Brady, Bellichek, and Kraft, regardless of all evidence to the contrary. Were it me, Id be pissed off because those who ignore the facts and the logical conclusions, would be making me look like a fool by association. You would think that there would be at least one Patriot fan who has the pride, intellect and the courage to stand up and say to stand up to his fellow Patriot fans and say come off it, we all know what the truth is, how long are you idiots going to deny what we all know.

    The greatest travesty here is not Spygate, is not Deflategate, its not even Brady. the biggest travesty is that an entire fanbase has not even one single fan who will stand up for truth and speak out about it. that to me is simply unbelievable.

  156. nnerut2000 says:
    May 31, 2015 2:46 PM
    realitycheckbaby says:
    May 31, 2015 2:38 PM

    Still waiting for the answer.

    The one that explains the fumble reduction without cheating.

    I suspect it will be some time.

    ———————————-

    Two possible explainations. actually conclusions…

    You can’t read and or can’t comprehend what you are reading.

    Yes that’s it!!
    —————————–
    Please explain to me so that I can understand.

  157. He can say it all in his DEFAMATION LAWSUIT against the NFL

    The Wells Report itself confirms the best recollection of the official is that NO DEFLATION TOOK PLACE

    The issue of Brady not giving up his civil rights when there was no evidence of ball deflation can be debated whether that was “uncooperative” in a scandal that never happened – but fine him $50k like they did with Favre…

    4 games makes it appear he’s guilty of something other than failing to give up his cell phone when the NFL’s own investigation has the lead official stating that his best recollection was that NO DEFLATION TOOK PLACE

  158. “Why won’t Brady release copies of the texts on his phone?”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Why doesn’t Goodell, Vincent, Grigson, Harbaugh, Well$ and others release their phone texts/records and emails ???

    Why did the NFL leak FALSE & Defamatory statements to the ESPN & the News Media ?

    Why is Goodell& Well$ acting as Prosecutor Judge & Jury ?

    Why was it FALSELY claimed by Goodell that the investigation was IMPARTIAL?

    Why did Well$ throw out/reject SCIENTIFIC FACTS that #1.) Exonerated Brady & PATS and #2.) IMPLICATED the Colts

    Why were the Colts footballs NOT investigated with the same merit as the PATRIOTS?

    Why did Goodell LIE & DENY about the sting operation set up by the Vincent Grigson Colts & NFL?

    Why did Goodell NOT make a statement of INTEGRITY concerning the outcome of the AFCCG when RULE 17 NFL Footballs exonerated BRADY & PATRIOTS in a blow out 28-0 second half game?

    Why did Goodell promote and issue inaccurate and false leaks from his office two weeks leading up to SB XLIX?

    Why did Goodell REFUSE to make a statement of INTEGRITY concerning the most heavily scrutinized NFL game under NFL watch in the history of the NFL?

    Why did Goodell REFUSE to exonerate BRADY & PATRIOTS with the SCIENTIFIC UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE from the AFCCG and SB XLIX and Law of PHYSICS/GAS LAW.

    Why is Goodell & Well$ violating the INTEGRITY of the NFL ?????????????

    Why are you WILLINGLY BELIEVING the LIES?

  159. ANSWER to ALL of the ABOVE QUESTIONS:

    Goodell & the NFL wants you to embrace & BELIEVE their version of INTEGRITY and for you to REJECT UNBIASED FACT REASON & JUSTICE.

    Keep feeding out of the hand of Goodell & the News Media little Sheeple.

    You BELIEVE because you were TOLD to BELIEVE.

  160. The fumble report was thoroughly debunked not long after it was released.

    That “Report analyzing fumbles” is as skewed if not more skewed than the Wells report itself

    ———————————————–

    What exactly explains the raw data on fumbles which shows a drastic change in the amount of fumbles starting the season the Patriots were able to control their footballs?

    I am not talking about any Reports, just the RAW FUMBLE DATA as shown on NFL.com.

    Best Regards, and I await your answer.

  161. profootball13 says:
    May 31, 2015 1:52 PM
    I’m still waiting for one of you geniuses to explain how any of the Patriot’s 1st three SBs are tainted…..
    ———————————-

    So you are admitting that this last one is tainted right?…..
    ==============================
    So you are admitting that the 1st 3 weren’t tainted right?…
    See how that works?

    You should work for the Wells team…you sound about as unbiased & fair in your interpretations as he was…& you wondered why Brady didn’t turn over his phone… Too funny

    But here’s some knowledge.. Patriots are Super Bowl 49 Champions…
    & got a great chance to repeat!!!

  162. solo681,how can any human being be as ignorant as you obviously are?
    Mr McNally in his own texts referred to himself as the deflator. you conveniently ignore anything that establishes the fact that something was indeed done to try and obfuscate the truth

    Goodell, Vincent, and Wells are secondary to the fact that “something” was done and you flinging as much mud on everyone else as you can doesnt change that fact.

    youll never have video proof that Brady cheated, we all accept that as obvious, but be that as it may, We all KNOW what the likely truth is, no amount of obfuscation and trying to fling mud hides that.

    which is why I cant believe that not even a single Patriot fan has even a shred of character or self worth to stand up and call an end to the charade

  163. “Why won’t Brady release copies of the texts on his phone?”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Why doesn’t Goodell, Vincent, Grigson, Harbaugh, Well$ and others release their phone texts/records and emails ???

    Why did the NFL leak FALSE & Defamatory statements to the ESPN & the News Media ?

    Why is Goodell& Well$ acting as Prosecutor Judge & Jury ?

    Why was it FALSELY claimed by Goodell that the investigation was IMPARTIAL?

    Why did Well$ throw out/reject SCIENTIFIC FACTS that #1.) Exonerated Brady & PATS and #2.) IMPLICATED the Colts

    Why were the Colts footballs NOT investigated with the same merit as the PATRIOTS?

    Why did Goodell LIE & DENY about the sting operation set up by the Vincent Grigson Colts & NFL?

    Why did Goodell NOT make a statement of INTEGRITY concerning the outcome of the AFCCG when RULE 17 NFL Footballs exonerated BRADY & PATRIOTS in a blow out 28-0 second half game?

    Why did Goodell promote and issue inaccurate and false leaks from his office two weeks leading up to SB XLIX?

    Why did Goodell REFUSE to make a statement of INTEGRITY concerning the most heavily scrutinized NFL game under NFL watch in the history of the NFL?

    Why did Goodell REFUSE to exonerate BRADY & PATRIOTS with the SCIENTIFIC UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE from the AFCCG and SB XLIX and Law of PHYSICS/GAS LAW.

    Why is Goodell & Well$ violating the INTEGRITY of the NFL ?????????????

    Why are you WILLINGLY BELIEVING the LIES?
    ————————————-

    I am not saying I am “WILLINGLY BELIEVING the LIES”

    I asked a specific question, which you have NOT ANSWERED. Instead you have gone on a RANT trying to deflect from my question.

    I will ask you again. “Why won’t Brady release copies of the texts on his phone?”

    Best Regards,

  164. harrybucsfan says:
    May 31, 2015 9:10 AM
    For anyone who thinks Brady is innocent, there is NO way anyone could alter those footballs without his permission….
    ________________________________
    Did y0ou hear about how your Super Bowl winning QB paid the all boys to get his scuffed up balls into the Super Bowl. Maybe you should refrain from commenting on this matter.
    *2002 Super Bowl Champs Tampa Bay

  165. Of course a court can overrule the NFL’s charge that Brady didn’t cooperate. The haters will say anything. Where do you think we live, North Korea?

    The NFL tried everything it could to force a confession because they knew they had a weak case. Why do you think an investigation that Vincent said would take a couple of days took four months.

    The NFLdid the following:

    1. Lied
    2. Publicly smeared Brady
    3. Leaked lies to the media to control public opinion
    4. Tried to drive wedge between Brady and team
    5. Used procedure to hide behind CBA to protect themselves from personal liability
    6. Overcharged Brady and the Patriots to try to get Brady to cop a plea
    7. Put their own guys in witness protection and leaned on partners in the media to support the commissioner
    8. Had owners say publicly that Brady’s and the Patriots penalties were harsher because they didn’t confess said defending oneself was criminal
    9. Refused to have a truly independent arbitrator hear Brady’s appeal
    10. Had their surrogates defend Goodell’s indefensible action i/c/w the appeal by saying it is what his lawyers told him to do

  166. That question has been fully answered
    Best regards

    & Patriots are Super Bowl 49 Champs!!

  167. profootball13 says:
    May 31, 2015 1:52 PM
    I’m still waiting for one of you geniuses to explain how any of the Patriot’s 1st three SBs are tainted…..
    ———————————-

    So you are admitting that this last one is tainted right?…..
    ==============================
    So you are admitting that the 1st 3 weren’t tainted right?…
    See how that works?

    You should work for the Wells team…you sound about as unbiased & fair in your interpretations as he was…& you wondered why Brady didn’t turn over his phone… Too funny

    But here’s some knowledge.. Patriots are Super Bowl 49 Champions…
    & got a great chance to repeat!!!
    ————————————————–

    Again another explanation by deflection. Your attacking me because I ask a legitimate question, does not help your cause.

    Also, NO ONE asked Brady to “turn over his phone.” So either you are intentionally posting that to muddy the water, or you have absolutely no knowledge of this matter.

    In the future, if you don’t have even a semi-coherent defense I suggest you reconsider posting on this subject.

    Best Regards

  168. Aaron Rodgers tells his guys to overinflate the balls and Brady tells them to deflate them. They both know refs don’t measure the PSI and use the feel test. Google the New York times article about how refs dont’ measure PSI if you don’t believe me0. Rodgers comments on national TV didn’t make anybody in the NFL upset but now people think Brady is the worst person on the planet and is attacked. Pathetic! Oh, and by the way, why do you need Brady’s cell phone? They had the phones of the people who he would have texted and his messages would be on there if he sent any. Patriot haters are so pathetic. You can’t beat them on the field so beat them in the court of public opinion and believe a report full of holes put out by Ted Wells. Wells is the same guy who was hired by Tobacco companies to fight on their behalf that second hand smoke can’t cause cancer. Ted Wells, the hero of Patriot haters, what a guy to have on your side when trying to protect integrity of football!

  169. profootball13

    Obviously you can attempt to dish it out but are unable to take your medicine.

    It is a part of LOGIC and ANALYSIS to answer a question with a question.

    Your question failed the test.

  170. Still waiting for Florio to come clean on whom in the NFL leaked to him in the early days of deflate gate and what exactly they said.

    Haters, why aren’t you asking that question?

  171. jcpad58 says:
    May 31, 2015 10:39 AM

    Most of the penalty Brady received was for not cooperating with the investigation. This part of the penalty cannot be overturned by the court because the NFL has internal rules legally contracted.

    +++++++++++++++++

    The cooperation issue comes down to surrender of Brady’s personal phone.

    THE CBA does not grant the NFL access to personal phones of player. Goodell has no right to Brady’s phone.

    Wells asked for the phone, knowing he had no right to it and that he would be refused, then yapped about non-cooperation.

    What a total farce.

  172. Ahhhhh, so you’ve turned to semantics as a defense against logic & reason that you have no answers for…& that you are even responding to so called semi-coherent responses this implies that you yourself are indeed semi-coherent…have your people get back to mine …
    Best regards

  173. 2001asterisk2003asterisk2004asterisk2014asterisk says:
    May 31, 2015 3:51 PM

    Cheater.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha

    You are pathetic.

  174. cornerstone2001 says:
    May 31, 2015 10:28 AM
    Jeez, you Pats fans who blindly defend Brady probably thought OJ was innocent too…..

    ——-
    No those would be Bills fans. The same team that has OJ on their wall of fame in the stadium.

  175. profootball13 says: I will ask you again. “Why won’t Brady release copies of the texts on his phone?”Best Regards
    ========================

    Fair question. Texts about what though?

    The NFL knew/knows that the “best recollection” of the official is that no deflation took place. For some odd reason Wells and Goodell decline to accept that – but it appears no deflation actually took place.

    The equipment guys have released their cells – and much of what they’ve said to each other was taken out of context. But there’s nothing Brady said to them that isn’t in there… and again, since nothing happened to the footballs on that game day, as there was no deflation – what is on Brady’s phone that would alter that reality?

    These guys are indeed “prepping” footballs – with one in particular inflating and deflating the balls over several weeks, prepping them in other ways too

    This is common knowledge in the NFL and it’s a stressful job (as one text says) – but if you doubt me Google “Eli Manning’s Footballs Months in the Making” in the NY Times, 11/23/13

    But everything in that article – and everything that every other QB’s team does, is NOT something Goodell wants you to know about

    READ THE ARTICLE!!!

  176. go to court and subpoena Troy Vincent, and Roger Goodell phone records and we will find out Troy knew months before there was something was wrong and he didn’t tell Goodell. suspend Troy for a year.

  177. No holds barred interview? Never.
    Questions submitted and approved before hand, allowing the team of PR people and lawyers to carefully compose answers and time to rehearse so they sound spontaneous.

    “Now on this one, Tom, it’s important for you to pause contemplatively, otherwise it will come off badly. Really appear as if you are giving this question some thought.”

  178. DO NOT ask questions to support your point of view as the MAIN REASON?

    Ask questions for the desire to know TRUTH & FACTS.

    Why Brady did not hand over his phone info has already been LOGICALLY & LEGALLY answered according to TRUTH & FACTUAL ANALYSIS.

    BRADY has the right to request phone record info from Goodell & others as well, for FACT Finding DISCOVERY on Who, When, Where & Why the #1.) Sting Operation AND #2.) False & Inflammatory NFL Leaks

  179. profootball13 says:
    May 31, 2015 3:32 PM

    I will ask you again. “Why won’t Brady release copies of the texts on his phone?”

    ————————————-

    I’ll simplify this for you.

    1. Because unlike Mcnally and Jastremski they weren’t team phones.

    2. Because Krafts promise to fully cooperate was not Tom Brady saying so.

    3. The definition of fully cooperating is too broad. What if they wanted Gisele’s phone or video from Brady’s security system?

    4. The texts from Mcnally and Jastremski’s phones show the texts from sender and receiver.

    5. Wells knew he had nothing.

    6. Brady is a celebrity and has numerous contacts i’m sure so when Wells wants to know a complete list of texts sent after the mis reported pressures by mort on espn he opted not to on advice of counsel.

    7. The NFLPA told him not to.

    8. The NFL is not a court of law and most importantly…..

    9. This is America where privacy is a right.

    Pick any one of these reasons and if it were me i wouldn’t hve given wells my phone either.

    Best Regards

  180. It’s a good thing Brady’s Internet Defense Team is made up of volunteers…….could you imagine the billing hours charged if they were sleaze bag lawyers?

  181. A guy calling himself the deflator is a long way from ordering the doctoring of balls after the official review. Oh, and that’s the only evidence. Refusing to hand over your phone to a bunch of bumbling idiots trying to frame you is not a good idea and not evidence of anything. To the best knowledge of the game official the balls weren’t even deflated.

    Can’t wait for this to get past the fix-is-in appeals process and go to a real court. Hoping that Brady doesn’t accept a reduced suspension and takes this all the way.

  182. So many fans of other teams OWNED by anything Patriots related… That’s right, OWNED….why else would you be on here on a Sunday afternoon pouting & pleading to be heard on how frustrating it is to see a team like the Patriots just keep putting a smack down on your pathetic franchises…. OWNED… The Patriots OWN YOU!!!
    & the funny thing is… You all know it & understand it will happen again & again & again….
    & we’re on to Super Bowl 50, Say the Super Bowl 49 champions!!!

  183. ennerut2000 says:
    May 31, 2015 1:00 PM
    ampatsisahypocrite says:

    We’re talking about the NFL not the AFL. I’ll accept your apology. The Steelers are the reason why.

    As usual we win again.

    I’ll wait for your apology.
    —————————————————
    You’ll be waiting a LONG time.

    You Pats fans and your little attempts to weasel out are SO cute. As IF this would only be going on in the AFL. Well, OK then — all of these you can look up, all are original NFL teams, and almost all occurred BEFORE the 1970s Steelers ever came along.

    FACT: 1970s Baltimore Colts DB Nelson Munsey sued the NFL retirement plan in 2000 seeking improved benefits. Complaint said he used steroids and amphetamines “consistent with the common usage of such drugs in professional football at that time.”

    NFL enough for ya? I’ll do you some more:

    Green Bay OL Bill Curry (1965) used Dianabol to increase to 240 pounds from 220, according to the New York Times.

    Minnesota WR Lance Rentzel (1964) used performance-enhancing drugs, according to his biography.

    New York Giants 1963 RB Joe Don Looney took steroids in an effort to bulk up, according to his biographer.
    ———————————————–

    Again, almost all these incidents are from the 1960s.

    I expect your apology now.

  184. subpoena Troy Vincent’s phone records and we will see he new something was wrong months before the championship game, that he held it from Goodell, fire Vincent.

  185. I love this whole thing. It’s happening, you can’t deny it is happening and it’s all bad press.

    Yes, I am a hater but that doesn’t change the fact that this has happened, it is happening and it’s all bad press.

    I am basking in the glow of an asterisk all over this team and it is a warm glow.

    It’s also a slow off-season so this gets a ton of press.

    Hilarious, just hilarious.

  186. Instead of being led by Goodell, the News Media & False statements to SLANDER & FRAME a Player & Team.

    Choose to FREE your mind with DISCOVERY, FACTUAL ANALYSIS, LOGIC, SCIENCE, REASON and MOST IMPORTANTLY ask yourself –
    WHY 0.5 psi that has been accounted for SCIENTIFICALLY & UNBIASEDLY, is MORE IMPORTANT then Goodell having INTEGRITY on how he has approached and issued forth a declaration of GUILTY without the Preponderance of Evidential Facts?

    WHY does Goodell substitute INTEGRITY with an opinion based on slander and predetermined manipulated so-called discovery?

    WHY does Goodell reject INTEGRITY when he BELIEVES he can act as Judge Jury Prosecutor & Arbitrator?

    WHY does Goodell reject INTEGRITY when he refuses FACTUAL EVIDENTIARY DISCOVERY that exonerates the accused?

  187. j0esixpack says:
    May 31, 2015 4:00 PM
    READ THE ARTICLE!!!
    —————————————————–

    This sums up EXACTLY the Patriots fan as I have been describing him. The same fan who scream-whines that NOBODY is “reading the article” or “getting their facts straight before accusing” is right in the middle of a bunch of other Patriots fans… not getting their facts straight, spewing out commonly-accepted myths and in some cases OUTRIGHT LYING when smearing the reputations of OTHER teams.

    And no weaseling out ennerut2000 — your apology to the Steelers is due. Unless you’re going to make like the other teams’ fans you claim are going ahead with the false accusations anyway.

    And just so you CAN’T weasel here’s a bonus from the book “Anabolic Steroids in Sports and Exercise” by Dr. Charles Yesalis:
    “According to the accounts of physicians and players, members of the Kansas City Chiefs, Atlanta Falcons, and Cleveland Browns used anabolic steroids during the 1960s (Gilbert, 1969a-c).”

    AFL, NFL, CFL, name your “L” — they were LONG doing steroids before the ’70s Steelers came along. “Tainted” my behind — YOU owe the Steelers, THE GREATEST DYNASTY IN NFL HISTORY, an apology.

  188. Why is Goodell in prosecutor mode instead of fact finder mode? Goodell tipped his hand as soon as he tried to sell Wells as independent. The fix was in.

    Why did the NFL go after the Patriots for a violation they themselves said had no affect on the AFCCG when no team had ever been investigated for this in the past? Who lead the charge and why? Why did they not look askance at the Colts whose balls also had low psi and why did they stop measuring the Colts balls? Why did the NFL say they were investigating psi in the Patriots balls specifically instead of saying AFCCG balls if there wasn’t an intent to make the Patriots look guilty? The fix was in.

    Once science proved the ball pressure drop was related to nature why didn’t the NFL end the investigation instead of bending over backwards to prove the Patriots guilty? The fix was in.

  189. Anything they would need from Brady’s phone they should already have. Larry and Curly’s phones were turned in….wouldn’t they have all the texts from Brady’s phone that were sent to either of these two clowns? Also I believe the wells report said he had no phone contact with “THE DEFLATOR” He’s probably got texts on his saying Bill’s being a real dick today….or Kraft wears dresses or something he’d rather not share with all of you. Can’t trust the league office to not leak anything.

  190. A defendent speaking out and professing innocence isnt an issue at any stage of “the process”…unless there is direct proof that demonstrates guilt, which unfortunate for cheater tommy is his case. But he has already double & tripled down on his lies over this…so what’s it matter at this stage. Everyone already knows not to trust him with the golf score card.

  191. ampatsisahypocrite says:
    May 31, 2015 4:12 PM

    Again, almost all these incidents are from the 1960s.

    I expect your apology now.

    ————–
    You are clearly limited. Intelligience aside.

    The Steelers are the first NFL TEAM to have a TEAM WIDE pill pushing program.

    When these guys took water breaks the staff used to yell at them “remember to take your pills”

    There certainly were cases of voluntary individual cases players taking them on other teams. In fact the AFL Chargers had what most thought was 95 percent compliance on the suggestion that they take them. The Steelers were TOLD to take them.

    You have been beaten down like the Patriots opponents.

    Apologize immediately!!

  192. mrtampa says:
    May 31, 2015 4:34 PM
    Anything they would need from Brady’s phone they should already have. Larry and Curly’s phones were turned in..
    ————————————————

    More faulty logic from Apologist Central. Uh, you would also be looking for texts and calls from Brady to other players, his position coach, head coach or that shadowy guy the Pats employ as their own CIA director. Who knows, maybe he even blabbed something to a friend or relative?

    Kind of makes you wonder if that’s why, unlike Larry and Curly, he didn’t want to turn in his phone or records.

    This is a little point Pats fans can’t seem to grasp for some reason.

  193. So here’s what we learned today:

    1. Steelers = Cheaters – Abuse of steroids, all SB’s tainted.

    2. No way to reconcile the road fumble record because the visitor never touches the balls after inspection. Haters now quite on this point.

    4. Handing your phone to somebody out to get you is always a bad idea.

    5. Guy calls himself the deflator so obviously TB ordered the code red.

    Guy in the no win situation is Dr. Evil Goodell. Can’t reverse the suspension without looking weak, knows he will be destroyed in a real court. Sucks to be him.

  194. ampatsisahypocrite: Kind of makes you wonder if that’s why, unlike Larry and Curly, he didn’t want to turn in his phone or records. This is a little point Pats fans can’t seem to grasp for some reason.
    ==================================

    The NFLPA is going to make clear why they didn’t think it was reasonable or necessary for their players to give up their civil rights when the LEAD OFFICIAL CONFIRMED THAT NO DEFLATION TOOK PLACE

    That’s a little point the Patriots haters can’t seem to get through their head.

    If Wells/Goodell accept the “best recollection” of the officials across the board, there is no scandal.

    They have to reject the “best recollection” in that one solitary instance to find anything was amiss

    Does the “deflator” deflate footballs and do other things to prep the game balls? No question. Again – read the NY Tmes “Eli Manning’s Footballs Months in the Making”

    Florio should do an in depth profile about ALL the ball prep in the NFL – not just the Giants and the Patriots

    If any of those guys on other teams have a nickname, dock them a 1st round pick

  195. rwhite151 says:
    May 31, 2015 4:52 PM

    2. No way to reconcile the road fumble record because the visitor never touches the balls after inspection. Haters now quite on this point.

    _____________________________

    They keep glossing over this one don’t they!

  196. ampatsisahypocrite says:
    May 31, 2015 4:47 PM

    mrtampa says:
    May 31, 2015 4:34 PM
    Anything they would need from Brady’s phone they should already have. Larry and Curly’s phones were turned in..
    ————————————————

    More faulty logic from Apologist Central. Uh, you would also be looking for texts and calls from Brady to other players, his position coach, head coach or that shadowy guy the Pats employ as their own CIA director. Who knows, maybe he even blabbed something to a friend or relative?

    —————

    all team phones were handed over
    Coaches included….friends phone texts are none of his buisness.

  197. You’ve got to love the Pats fans and their twisted reality. Pats fans it is too late to try to convince everyone else that the organization’s legacy will not be about cheating. The only ones who believe the Pats weren’t up to their usual shenanigans is you. Horse left the barn a very long time ago. The tarnish is permanent.

  198. He won’t talk. The guilty never take the stand. They try to win on technicalities like cowards. He thinks he’s studied the rule book and got it all figured out. LOL.

  199. You would have to be a complete idiot to hand over your phone. That goes for anybody in any type of controversy. It’s pretty easy to find snippets of text/email that would make you look bad.

  200. Reality……. Ben Jarvis Green Ellis who fumbled 10 times in college.
    Goes to the patriots never fumbles. Leaves the team starts fumbling again.

  201. LOL Brady won’t refuse to do an interview because it’s not “the Patriot way”. He won’t do an interview because he looked like a complete liar and extremely uncomfortable the last time he was questioned about it. He’d be stupid to volunteer to an interview. Serve your 4 games and let it fade away quietly.

  202. realitycheckbaby says:
    May 31, 2015 11:49 AM

    Don’t embarrass yourselves with dumb comments about other teams, disproven stats, or kneel downs.

    ____

    Dude, you are a clown. So we aren’t allowed to argue valid points that disprove your stupid theory, yet you continue to say the same thing over and over and over.

    The Colts had better ball security than the Pats from 2006-2010. Its right there on NFL.com. That PROVES it can be done without cheating, unless of course you think the Colts were cheating too. And if so, you better be as upset with them as you are with the Pats.

    Take off the tinfoil hat.

  203. fanofpft says:
    May 31, 2015 5:27 PM
    Reality……. Ben Jarvis Green Ellis who fumbled 10 times in college.
    Goes to the patriots never fumbles. Leaves the team starts fumbling again.
    ___

    In Cincy one year he carried the ball 278 times and fumbled 3 times. That is .0107% of the time. One fumble every 93 carries. One fumble every 5.3 games.

    In other words, its not a lot. Thats what you are hanging your hat on?

  204. I think you need to check your facts, which you rarely do preferring to lie until proven wrong and then you grab the pompous and hide. Bradshaw said he took steroids……..anti inflammatory and not anabolic. Reading comprehension Pom Pom boy is something you need to learn …also repeating a lie over and over does not make it true…maybe in your twisted little mind but not to adults.

    —–
    Bradshaw clearly said the word “steroids” in the Dan Patrick interview.
    Nothing else. It was clear as day what he meant in that context. He also said what they did was wrong. Surely you would agree that it’s a very odd thing for someone to say if they really did do nothing wrong.

    The backpedaling that you mentioned came the next day. No doubt a guy who admitted he and his team cheated was pressured to “clarify” his remarks. Really not surprising at all that he would try to cover his behind. Doesn’t change what he said at all.

    Facts are facts. You don’t have to like them but they’re still facts. 🙂

  205. All these fools who downplay the fact that Brady cheated by deflating football saying “it doesnt affect the outcome of the game” need to consider the comparison to golf. If a golfer so much as moves or alters his ball play by a hair, they lose a stroke. If they were caught having conspired to alter the ball play over a long period of time, affecting an unknown exact number but clearly numerous games…they would get kicked out of the PGA. Well NFL? I think that is what Brady dederves. Or, is Golf the last remaining sport where cheaters don’t thrive????!!!!!

  206. Raw fumbling data from NFL.com shows the Pats to be cheaters.

    Please show me ANY other team who cut their fumbles in half and stayed there.

    Can’t be done.

    And I love the excuse of “our fumbles are down because our new players don’t fumble…” GUESS WHY? YOU’VE BEEN CHEATING BY DEFLATING BALLS!

    Proven cheaters.

  207. Steeler fan throwing stones at the Patriots should read Steve Courson’s book and read about Alvin Roy. Then come back here and tell us the Steelers did nothing illegal and didn’t cheat. Riiiight.

    The hypocrisy is quite comical, it really is.

  208. I feel as though i have had enough time to adequately judge the posting community here.

    Pats fans including myself have over inflated balls because outr team wins and is coached by the greatest coach and QB’d by the greatest ever.

    The haters are those whose teams fail at the simplest things. They resort to grasping at straws to make up for their teams sad perfomances. Because they can’t beat the Patriots fans of losing teams hang on words like cheat deflate and lie.

    The sad fact is that for any of these teams to rise up they need the league to conspire against the greatest team of all time.

    Guess what though.

    The Patriots always win.

  209. Years ago in Boston a man by the name of Charles Stuart killed his pregnant wife who worked for the same company I did. He also shot himself to make it look good. He blamed a “black man “. The Boston Police went out an arrested a local painter by the name of Willie Brown. He was charged with the crime and the Boston Herald convicted Brown on its front page.

    Before long Stuart’s charade was exposed and he killed himself by jumping off the Tobin Bridge . The Herald reported not that Brown was exonerated, rather that he was”off the hook”.

    Witch hunts are an ugly reality and they could target anyone because the mob is very quick to believe a lie. The original targets are almost never looked at as framed or unjustly accused, just “off the hook”.

    I hope Brady makes everyone of these evil clowns say uncle.

  210. Stand up & fight where you know the dictator Goodell has no power to impose over you or any of the other wrongfully accused & set free… THE COURTS!!!
    Tom will be under center VS Pittsburgh on opening day , you know, when they raise the Super Bowl 49 Championship banner!!!

  211. Visiting teams manage their own balls up until they are submitted to the officials. They don’t touch them after that. Get your facts straight. Why do the Patriots have the same fumble percentage both home and away?

    Riddle me that realitycheckbaby.. or change your moniker to makingliesupasigobaby.

  212. Dude, you are a clown. So we aren’t allowed to argue valid points that disprove your stupid theory, yet you continue to say the same thing over and over and over.

    The Colts had better ball security than the Pats from 2006-2010. Its right there on NFL.com. That PROVES it can be done without cheating, unless of course you think the Colts were cheating too. And if so, you better be as upset with them as you are with the Pats.

    Take off the tinfoil hat.

    Sometimes it’s difficult to to tell if Pats’ fans are purposefully blind or just not bright…

    Some of both?

    Show me how the Colt’s cut their fumbling rate by 50% when the rule changed.

    Forget other teams; HOW DID THE PATS CUT THEIR FUMBLING RATE BY 50% UPON THE RULE CHANGE?

    Cheaters.

  213. realitycheckbaby says:
    Forget other teams; HOW DID THE PATS CUT THEIR FUMBLING RATE BY 50% UPON THE RULE CHANGE?

    ——————-

    How did they cheat on the road??? They don’t have the chance to alter after the officials check. ANSWER THAT MR. ALL CAPS

  214. ennerut2000 says:
    May 31, 2015 4:44 PM
    You are clearly limited. Intelligience aside.

    The Steelers are the first NFL TEAM to have a TEAM WIDE pill pushing program.

    When these guys took water breaks the staff used to yell at them “remember to take your pills”

    There certainly were cases of voluntary individual cases players taking them on other teams. In fact the AFL Chargers had what most thought was 95 percent compliance on the suggestion that they take them. The Steelers were TOLD to take them.
    ———————————————–

    Just as I thought — rather than admit the truth in the face of overwhelming evidence, you instead double down and LIE some more. The biggest haters are those of the team with the most Lombardis, and it’s proven again.

    Show me incontrovertible EVIDENCE that the entire Steeler team was ORDERED to take steroids. SMH. I already showed where the Chargers put out steroids on the training table for everyone — no such evidence exists with the Steelers. It’s a known fact Chuck Noll spoke OUT against using PEDs, Sparky. Again, you are resorting to simply making stuff up.

    The “take your pills/water breaks” story? Where on earth did you get THAT? Hahahahahaha!!!

    First of all genius, it wouldn’t have been pills used by that time anyway…. but why bother dealing with basic fantasy anyway? Other to say you’re BUSTED in a lie.

    Yeah who all took ‘roids on the Steelers besides the same few guys who did on every other team? Skinny Jack Lambert? Ha ha! Even Courson himself said nobody on the Steelers defense did them… son, I know more about this subject than you can ever dream of. Don’t even bother me with any more of your bull.

    The Patriots with Rodney HGHarrison likely had as many PED users as the ’70s Steelers.

    I’m sorry to burst the haters bubble — the Steelers neither invented steroid use nor had it used team-wide. Yeah, I know that blows your patented 4>6 fantasy, but it’s true. The Steelers are the greatest, cleanest dynasty ever — and I just LOVE knowing how crazy it drives all you haters!!!

    Be man, grow a pair and apologize. Otherwise you’re the same hater spreading lies that Pats fans are whining about here.

  215. I think Tom Brady probably knows that Wells report better than his playbook, which is probably why he hasn’t said anything.

    Says he hasn’t read it. Yeah, same guy who said he had no knowledge of…..

    You get the picture.

  216. Keep the excuses coming Cheatriot fans, no ones buying it. There is no factual information in none of your post. Stay in denial because the rest of us no better about the taintriots and their lying ways.

  217. How did they cheat on the road??? They don’t have the chance to alter after the officials check. ANSWER THAT MR. ALL CAPS

    The rule change allowed visiting teams to provide their own balls.

    I know you want to divert attention from that and the inexplicable drop in fumbles (well, other than cheating) but facts are facts.

    And no, deflator isn’t a weight loss program…

    Cheaters.

  218. ampatsisahypocrite says:
    Be man, grow a pair and apologize. Otherwise you’re the same hater spreading lies that Pats fans are whining about here.

    ——————

    Dude, you may want to leave the discussion for a while. In case you haven’t noticed nobody apologizes or agrees with anybody in these things. Just remember that Terry Bradshaw doesn’t care if you lose a deal or your buddy sleeps with your wife. It’s not that important.

  219. Love it when the Pats and Steeler fans argue on which team is the bigger cheat. Like two turns argues over which has more corn . . . in the long run both are still turds.

  220. STILLlolatpatshaters says:
    May 31, 2015 5:48 PM
    Steeler fan throwing stones at the Patriots should read Steve Courson’s book and read about Alvin Roy. Then come back here and tell us the Steelers did nothing illegal and didn’t cheat. Riiiight.

    The hypocrisy is quite comical, it really is.
    ————————————————–

    You mean Alvin Roy of the SAN DIEGO CHARGERS? Oh man this is just getting TOO hilarious! Ha ha ha ha ha!

    You haters have no idea what you’re even talking about, yet there you go slinging the mud. Kind of like you’re whining about what everybody else is doing to your team, huh? Yes, the hypocrisy IS quite comical my friend — the hypocrisy coming from you and your Pats buds.

    I suggest YOU read up my friend, then come back here and apologize for your mud slinging.

    Once again, you’re off, just like how you can’t explain the fact that the Steelers won the Super Bowl the year AFTER they cut Dr. Rydze loose. Or the AFC Championship YEARS afterwards.

    It just warms my heart knowing the haters are so jealous, they’ll lower themselves to these kinds of tricks.

    Study your mathematics.

    6>4

    6 = the number of the Greatest Dynasty Ever

    Lesson over, haters.

  221. realitycheckbaby says:
    The rule change allowed visiting teams to provide their own balls.

    I know you want to divert attention from that and the inexplicable drop in fumbles (well, other than cheating) but facts are facts.

    —————–

    Hey genius, we all know that they provide their own balls. It is not cheating if they hand over the balls to the officials under the limit. Aaron Rodgers claims that he has them delivered over the limit, it’s not cheating. It’s cheating if they manipulate them after, how did they do that on the road? Answer that question or you are just a fool.

  222. How did they cheat on the road??? They don’t have the chance to alter after the officials check. ANSWER THAT MR. ALL CAPS
    ———————————–

    The rule change allows the visiting team to manage their own balls.

    So…….

    Best Regards

  223. Steel curtain, you of all people are saying there is no factual statements in the pro Brady posts?

    That’s funny.

  224. profootball13 says:
    The rule change allows the visiting team to manage their own balls.

    So…….

    —————

    Same question as I asked realitycheckbaby (who has now gone quiet).

    We all know that they provide their own balls. It is not cheating if they hand over the balls to the officials under the limit. Aaron Rodgers claims that he has them delivered over the limit, it’s not cheating. It’s cheating if they manipulate them after, how did they do that on the road? Answer that or go away.

  225. Anyone else notice how the total universe of Pats fans have unanimously switched from “he didn’t do it” to “everybody does it” in a span of only a couple of weeks?

    They think they can have it both ways.
    ..maybe cuz cheating is in their blood…

  226. ennerut2000 says:
    May 31, 2015 4:44 PM
    You are clearly limited. Intelligience aside.

    The Steelers are the first NFL TEAM to have a TEAM WIDE pill pushing program.
    ————————————————–
    Here’s why you lose, dude, like a Patriots team playing the Giants in a Super Bowl. See, all you jealous haters are SO trying to make steroid usage just about ONE team in the 1970s, so you can somehow claim their trophies aren’t legit. So you can make your lesser Dynasty seem somehow equal or superior. How lame — and how wrong.

    As the Baltimore players said, steroid usage in the ’70s was “consistent with the common usage of such drugs in professional football at that time.” Notice he said PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL IN GENERAL, not “with the exclusive usage of the Pittsburgh Steelers.” Read it and weep. Sorry, your little “tainted” ploy is OVER.

    But you want to talk tainted? Here’s a look at some players who DID get busted for PED use AFTER steroids were declared illegal by the league.

    Rodney Harrison (2007)
    Brandon Spikes (2010)
    Jermaine Cunningham (2012)
    Brandon Boldin (2012)

    Gosh Patriot fans, that must mean your team of the 2000s is like SO “tainted.” Because there were at LEAST that many guys on the team using.

    6 > 4

    All 6 shiny gleaming pure trophies. Of the Greatest Dynasty Ever. The great Pittsburgh Steelers.

  227. Tigerlilac, There isn’t. Look I believe the pats are a good team but anyone of you pat fans who don’t there hasn’t been some cheating going on for years from their qb need to take the rah rah lets go team blinder off. The smoke hit the fan during the afc championship game and now the organization is going to pay the price for years despite their sbs. This was not only about the colt game its about all the other games before that. WHO KNOWS HOW MANY GAMES. This team cheated AGAIN and got caught AGAIN. Shady Brady can say what he wants or what his lawyers are going to tell him to say but his name will never be cleared.

  228. Apparently the Patriots have been playing in some saintly angelic realm where only Gods brightest & best teams are the only competition & who’s fans all wear rose colored glasses & butterflies & hummingbirds swirl around all those enlightened franchises fans & trumpets softly announce their holy existence….
    I can honestly say I wish I could live in their fantasy world!!

  229. The haters must have some level of respect for M Florio being on this site. Yet they turn a blind eye when he keeps punching holes in the Wells Report* Florio is more and more coming around to Brady’s side. Why do go to PFT? To Ignore his opinions?

  230. It is not cheating if they hand over the balls to the officials under the limit.

    This is the crux of the Pats’ organization, top to bottom including their fans…

    “It’s not cheating if you don’t get caught.”

    Well guess what, you’re the only team in the NFL to be caught not once, but twice.

    Recorded, documented, serial cheaters.

  231. In the end he’ll be vindicated, but not for the reasons you think. I read the most intelligent article on this whole fiasco and the author was able to make sense of all the things about the saga that didn’t seem to tie together. Apparently, after the Jets game, when Brady reputedly stormed off the field in anger over the balls having been over-inflated, he began to take more of a hands-on approach to how the balls were prepared. The author, a former NFL QB who spoke on condition of anonymity, claimed that league officials have not taken enough care to see the balls were inflated to levels preferred by the QBs. They would instinctively inflate them to extremely high levels, in some cases as high as 16 psi. And he’s witnessed a number of arguments over the years between QBs and officials where the QBs would demand a ball be thrown out. If this checks out, then I can completely forgive Brady (assuming he had anything to do with a ball deflation scheme). Deflating footballs quickly and outside the official’s view can never be an exact science. Sometimes, too much air is let out. But if the NFL isn’t going to prepare them properly to begin with, you gotta do what you gotta do.

  232. Let me present a thought experiment.

    The footballs are measured under the conditions of the game by 100 different operators measuring with 100 randomly selected gauge. Would every measurement be exactly on the expected mean of 11.4.

    The Wells report concluded that the expected psi of the balls was 11.4 ( drop was 1.0-1.2 so well call it 1.1).

    Is it any way statistically remarkable that two measurements had means of 11.48 and 11.1? The standard deviation of the measurements was 0.4 and with 2 measurement samples taken the mean of the means is 11.3. This is 0.1 psi below the expected mean ( and within the 1.0-1.2 range)

    There is nothing statistically remarkable about these measurements and in no way would inferential statistics suggest the most probable outcome was tampering. It would be at best a remote possibility.

    The wells report plays many statistical tricks that the drug companies have been playing to get drugs Approved. They excluded the data set (taken with the so called logo gauge) that undermined their conclusions with a mean above expected of 11.48.

    The wells report provides neither mean nor standard deviation of the measurements by far the most important parameters in assessing the likelihood the observed data is due to chance.

    There is zero evidence that the balls were more deflated than expected and by far the most likely outcome is not anything intentional but just normal variance and measurement error

  233. It’s cheating if they manipulate them after, how did they do that on the road? Answer that or go away.
    —————————————

    Yawn, you just keep repeating that to yourself while the rest of the NFL and their fans discuss the enigma that is the New England Patri*ts and their history of Cheating.
    .

    As far as the “go away” remark, you mad bro?

    Best Regards

  234. Let me present a thought experiment.
    ————————————–

    Please let me present a thought experiment, that begins with you being a Patri*t Homer…..

    Best Regards

  235. If this checks out, then I can completely forgive Brady (assuming he had anything to do with a ball deflation scheme). Deflating footballs quickly and outside the official’s view can never be an exact science. Sometimes, too much air is let out. But if the NFL isn’t going to prepare them properly to begin with, you gotta do what you gotta do.
    ——————————–

    So what you are trying to say is, if Brady is guilty of deflating the balls, which you know he is not, then here is an excuse for the cheating, which you are sure he did not do….

    Is that about right?

    Best Regards

  236. To the guy who dismisses the attack on the Patriots for the sake of parity conspiracy theory, you are missing the point.

    You are right, it has been 10 years between Super Bowl victories. But you neglect to mention the two Super Bowl appearances. As well as four straight AFC Championship games.

    The NFL needs teams to believe they can win and get to the Super Bowl. When one team is winning all the time that doesn’t give teams much hope. And hope sells jerseys and tickets and makes the NFL lots of money.

    When the 4 game suspension was announced, every other team in the AFC East was given hope.

  237. Anyways the point of thought experiment is it is hoghly probable that the 100 different readings would follow a normal distribution with a mean of means of 11.4 and 95% of readings with two standard deviations of the mean. With a standard deviation of 0.4 and only 2 measurements taken readings of 11.1 and 11.5 would NOT be atatistically remarkable in any way and suggest that no tampering occured.

  238. profootball13 says:
    It’s cheating if they manipulate them after, how did they do that on the road? Answer that or go away.
    —————————————

    Yawn, you just keep repeating that to yourself while the rest of the NFL and their fans discuss the enigma that is the New England Patri*ts and their history of Cheating.
    .

    As far as the “go away” remark, you mad bro?

    —————————-

    Okay, why don’t you answer the question? How did they manipulate the balls on the road after handing them to the officials? You made a big deal about cheating on the road, I would like to understand.

    As for the “go away” comment, I apologize. I realized after I submitted that anybody that calls themselves “pro football13” probably hasn’t hit puberty yet. It’s getting late for you, might be time to put on your black and gold pajamas and have your mom tuck you in.

  239. And for you to ignore the obvious facts make you an obvious patriot hater.

    It’s just basic statistics it has zero to do with my own biases. It is obvious to anyone that has worked with data or understands science that the numbers do not support tampering

  240. STILLlolatpatshaters says:
    May 31, 2015 5:48 PM
    Steeler fan throwing stones at the Patriots should read Steve Courson’s book and read about Alvin Roy. Then come back here and tell us the Steelers did nothing illegal and didn’t cheat. Riiiight.
    —————————————————–

    And finally, for all the haters and self-proclaimed Steve Courson experts, I bring you this quote straight from his book’s Amazon page:

    “A “chemically- augmented athlete” since 1974, when he indulged in his first Dianabol “cycle” at the Univ. of South Carolina,”

    That’s right, boys and girls, Steve Courson was doing steroids while in COLLEGE, long BEFORE he ever became a Pittsburgh Steeler. The TEAM didn’t tell him to do ‘roids — it’s probably the OTHER WAY AROUND.

    The fact is, Courson was just as much a random freelance steroid user as anybody else doing them back then. So sorry “ennerut2000” but YOUR version, the fantasy one where the team introduced and ordered everybody to do ‘roids, is clearly not true. (Again, man up and apologize for spreading your lies!) Like the Colts player said, steroid use was common, not illegal and done LEAGUE WIDE back then.

    Steve Courson did PEDs. So did Rodney Harrison. The Patriots are just as “tainted” by PED use as any other team. So sorry, Pats fans, your little ploy to deny other teams their rightful props because they’re “tainted” is a failure.

    The Greatest Dynasty Ever is the Pittsburgh Steelers. End of story.

  241. DennisT says:
    May 31, 2015 7:32 PM

    Let me present a thought experiment.

    Here’s the thought experiment…

    A team has the same number of fumbles per play for four years; right in a tight range of 1 per 44 plays.

    Then in the off season their QB lobbies for a change in rules to allow him to control the balls.

    The very next year the fumbles drop to 1 in 82 plays and stays in the 1 per 74 plays every year for the next 8 years.

    Note, the fumbles didn’t trend down. They were flat at 1 in 44 plays and then vertically dropped to one in 74 plays.

    A bit more background, the team has already been caught cheating and admitted to it so we know the culture (i.e. – if you find stolen merchandise in a convicted thief’s garage, his excuses are treated with more skepticism than the same excuses from someone with a clean record).

    What’s more likely?

    A fumbling miracle as the convicted cheaters contend…

    or deflating balls and more cheating like a reasonable person would contend…

  242. No I am in no way offering an excuse

    I am clearly showing the basic premise of this whole situation (that the balls were more deflated than expected) is not at all supported by the data

  243. realitycheckbaby says:
    May 31, 2015 7:27 PM
    It is not cheating if they hand over the balls to the officials under the limit.

    This is the crux of the Pats’ organization, top to bottom including their fans…

    “It’s not cheating if you don’t get caught.”

    Well guess what, you’re the only team in the NFL to be caught not once, but twice.

    Recorded, documented, serial cheaters.

    ——————-

    Actually, you are proving the point of all Patriots fans. Taking snippets or communication out of context changes the message. Why didn’t you include my entire comment? What I said was:

    “It is not cheating if they hand over the balls to the officials under the limit. Aaron Rodgers claims that he has them delivered over the limit, it’s not cheating. It’s cheating if they manipulate them after, how did they do that on the road?”

    Is Aaron Rodgers a cheater? Are you ever going to answer the question or just keep making baseless accusations? You have decided to duck the question because you know that you are caught with nothing to say.

    Please provide the rational for how they cheated on the road and manipulated balls after handing them in to the officials. If you have a logical answer I will apologize and admit your greatness.

  244. rwhite151 says:
    May 31, 2015 4:52 PM
    So here’s what we learned today:

    1. Steelers = Cheaters – Abuse of steroids, all SB’s tainted.
    ————————————————

    No, what we learned today was that all these experts on Steve Courson and alleged Steeler steroid use never actually read his book.

    But keep on telling us how ignorant we all are because we didn’t read the Wells report, Patriots fans.

    So what we really learned was what a bunch of hypocrites Pats fans are.

    But some of us already knew that.

  245. tigerlilac says:
    May 31, 2015 10:26 AM
    The haters can’t use facts and logic against Brady so they just keep yelling “guilty” and “confess”.

    Thankfully, Brady isn’t a wilting violet who succumbs to institutional and public pressure. I am surprised people who have watched him play for the last 14 years didn’t understand his true character.

    The haters seem to be scared that Brady isn’t backing down.

    ———————
    LOL!

  246. I do agree with the Pats on one level, they Steelers cheated with roids until Dr. Rydze got busted for distribution.

    You’re both cheaters.

    Realitycheckbaby you are telling so many lies you don’t know what the truth is. Please cite chapter and verse the charges against the Steelers in relation to Dr Rydze…….I would say I’ll wait but I want everyone to know you for what you are…full of cra$ once a Raven band wagoner and now a PedHawk band wagoner you can’t support your grandiose claims. I don’t respect the Pats fans but I don’t lie…even about Tough Guy TedMurph another airbag…but slightly more truthful.

  247. tigerlilac says:
    May 31, 2015 10:26 AM
    The haters can’t use facts and logic against Brady so they just keep yelling “guilty” and “confess”.

    Thankfully, Brady isn’t a wilting violet who succumbs to institutional and public pressure. I am surprised people who have watched him play for the last 14 years didn’t understand his true character.

    The haters seem to be scared that Brady isn’t backing down.

    ———————
    LOL! That’s all he’s doing is backing down……..complete silence…..no denials…..hiding behind scumbag lawyers.

    Tom, are you a cheater?……..”Well I dont think so”

    Is that an innocent man’s response?

    …..Crickets

  248. I’m sure Brady is going to mention how it just chaps his hide that Steelers fans don’t like him when he’s being enshrined in the Hall of Fame in his first year of eligibility. And just so I’m clear you’re telling me the everybody was doing it thing flies for the Steelers in 70’s but not for New England now even it’s fact in both cases, right?

  249. As for the “go away” comment, I apologize. I realized after I submitted that anybody that calls themselves “pro football13″ probably hasn’t hit puberty yet. It’s getting late for you, might be time to put on your black and gold pajamas and have your mom tuck you in.
    ———————————–

    Awe…you are mad aren’t you bro? Toughen up Buttercup.

    Best Regards

  250. I think I have a way to settle all of this that will appease those who favor the penalties in the absence of evidence:

    What if the league were to institute a new parity policy that required every team to win at least one championship within a 40 year period? (A 40 year time frame would prevent complete predictability and allow for a few teams to be repeat champions thus avoiding the whole charge of socialism).

    Clearly the issue here is the pent up animosity from fans whose teams have either (a) not won at all or (b) not won as often as the Patriots. This kind of venom impairs the cognitive processes through which rational assessments are conducted.

  251. Seattle sue… Still cleaning up those tears from the super bowl??? Coming from a team that has had double the PED users of any team…. I’m afraid you don’t have a leg to stand on

  252. profootball13 says:
    Awe…you are mad aren’t you bro? Toughen up Buttercup.

    —————-

    Sounds like I upset you, I apologize for that.

    Best Regards

  253. It’s odd but in the brick-and-mortar world I’m just a guy with above average intelligence. Here in PFT, defending the Patriots against a charge not too many people in the real world lend much credence to, I’m a certified genius.

    Thanks Internet message board. Thanks flame warriors. Thanks football fanatics.

  254. realitycheckbaby you still out there?

    Please enlighten us on how the Patriots cheated on the road and manipulated balls after handing them in to the officials. We are all waiting for your brilliance.

  255. You mean Alvin Roy of the SAN DIEGO CHARGERS? Oh man this is just getting TOO hilarious! Ha ha ha ha ha!


    Yes. Steve Courson’s supplier, if you believe his testimony. His book is a very informative read on the subject by the way, blowing the whistle on the rampant and systemic cheating in the Steeler organization. I highly recommend it.

    And…if you insist on blaming those Chargers for bringing steroids to pro football… then take a look at the coaching staff on that Charger team. To a Steeler fan there is one very interesting name on that list. Any guesses who that might be?

    You probably won’t like the answer very much. 🙂 You’ll probably also wonder why this guy is associated to a known weightlifting steroid cheat who became the Steelers strength coach.

    Anyway… it is what it is. Just pointing out the hypocrisy from many of your fanbase. And I’m happy to continue to do so. 🙂

  256. 46namredyps11 says: May 31, 2015 8:03 PM

    I’m sure Brady is going to mention how it just chaps his hide that Steelers fans don’t like him when he’s being enshrined in the Hall of Fame in his first year of eligibility. And just so I’m clear you’re telling me the everybody was doing it thing flies for the Steelers in 70’s but not for New England now even it’s fact in both cases, right?


    One of my favorite Brady moments… getting a TD in Pittsburgh and then spiking the ball and staring down all the Steeler fans in the stands..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  257. bencoates57 says:
    May 31, 2015 8:11 PM

    It’s odd but in the brick-and-mortar world I’m just a guy with above average intelligence.

    You must be under cover because you hide it well.

    Bravo

  258. Coming from a team that has had double the PED users of any team

    That is factually untrue just like Pats fans trying to say that factual fumbling numbers proving cheating are not correct.

    Do some research.

    Documented serial cheaters.

  259. That’s right, boys and girls, Steve Courson was doing steroids while in COLLEGE, long BEFORE he ever became a Pittsburgh Steeler. The TEAM didn’t tell him to do ‘roids — it’s probably the OTHER WAY AROUND.

    The fact is, Courson was just as much a random freelance steroid user as anybody else doing them back then. So sorry “ennerut2000″ but YOUR version, the fantasy one where the team introduced and ordered everybody to do ‘roids, is clearly not true. (Again, man up and apologize for spreading your lies!) Like the Colts player said, steroid use was common, not illegal and done LEAGUE WIDE back then.

    Steve Courson did PEDs. So did Rodney Harrison. The Patriots are just as “tainted” by PED use as any other team. So sorry, Pats fans, your little ploy to deny other teams their rightful props because they’re “tainted” is a failure.

    —-

    Just as wrong as you were earlier this afternoon. 🙂 .Abusing steroids or any prescription drug for a purpose other than what it was intended was never legal in this country. Ever.

    Insisting that “steroids were legal” is just being disingenuous. But you knew that. 🙂

    The most damning thing of all to me… is the secrecy about the whole thing. If abusing steroids was legal and ok and if there was any credibility to the Steeler apologist’s claim that they were legal… then there would be no reason to hide steroid use. There would be no negative stigma about it. Courson would not have written his book. Which is about the Steelers by the way, and not so much about himself. There’s a reason for that. And Bradshaw certainly wouldn’t have given a mea culpa about it on a national radio show. They would have no reason to do so.

    “False Glory” indeed. 🙂

  260. “Stop stonewalling. Stop lying. Take accountability. Move on.”
    ————————————
    Is this directed at Goodell? Should be.

  261. There is only one team who’s owner admitted they’ve cheated multiple times, paid multiple fines, whose team’s lost multiple picks and whose QB is facing a suspension.

    I know you want to pretend it’s a mistake/ coincidence / conspiracy…

    But the easiest answer is usually right.

    And that would be that the Pats are serial cheaters.

  262. realitycheckbaby says:
    May 31, 2015 8:23 PM
    Coming from a team that has had double the PED users of any team

    That is factually untrue just like Pats fans trying to say that factual fumbling numbers proving cheating are not correct.

    ———————-

    The fumbling numbers are bogus. You keep spouting the same thing over and over. I have asked you at least 5 times how the Patriots could have cheated on the road and manipulated balls after handing them in to the officials. This is my last attempt before you are just written off as a total windbag. Please answer.

  263. Nofoolnodrool says:
    May 31, 2015 8:02 PM

    I do agree with the Pats on one level, the Steelers cheated with roids until Dr. Rydze got busted for distribution.

    Hey Fool props for finally admitting what we all knew.

    Steelers, 1/4 of all NFL deaths from 70’s /80’s were from their roid rage team.

    And since their team doctor was busted for distributing roids they’ve had exactly ZERO playoff wins.

    But like the Pats fumble miracle, it’s all coincidence.

  264. HOW DID THE PATS CUT THEIR FUMBLING RATE BY 50% ?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Same way the PATRIOTS improve their roster, win games, win playoffs, get to the superbowl, win superbowls.

    You either GET BETTER or you fade away.

    PATRIOTS have the BEST coaching in the league.

    PATRIOTS have the BEST QB in the league.

    PATRIOTS outsmart other teams.

    PATRIOT players have a real winning attitude with less Diva Me-va.

    PATRIOTS bench players that fumble/drop balls.

  265. @rwhite why won’t you answer the question?

    Are you just another Pats apologist?

    I’ve asked you a dozen times…

    How does a team flat line fumbles for four years and then drop them immediately by 50% upon the rule change and keep the there without cheating?

    Name any other team who did it?

    I thought not.

    Documented serial cheaters.

  266. upyoursnfu says: May 31, 2015 8:06 PM

    *

    —–

    * Super Bowl Champs, winners of more Super Bowls than any NFL team in the last 25 years, winners of more games this century than any NFL team, Team of the 21st century, home of the GOAT QB, home of one of the greatest head coaches in any sport at any time, the greatest organization in the NFL, the smartest organization in the NFL, the paragon of excellence in the modern NFL, and the role model which every franchise aspiring to greatness looks up to for good reason.

    Nope I’m sure I didn’t forget anything. 🙂

  267. solo681 says:
    May 31, 2015 8:37 PM

    HOW DID THE PATS CUT THEIR FUMBLING RATE BY 50% ?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Same way the PATRIOTS improve their roster, win games, win playoffs, get to the superbowl, win superbowls.

    You either GET BETTER or you fade away.

    PATRIOTS have the BEST coaching in the league.

    PATRIOTS have the BEST QB in the league.

    PATRIOTS outsmart other teams.

    PATRIOT players have a real winning attitude with less Diva Me-va.

    PATRIOTS bench players that fumble/drop balls.

    BUT HOW DID YOU DO IT IN ONE OFF SEASON?

    It wasn’t a trend. It was an event.

    A cheating event.

  268. realitycheckbaby says:
    May 31, 2015 8:41 PM
    @rwhite why won’t you answer the question?

    Are you just another Pats apologist?

    I’ve asked you a dozen times…

    How does a team flat line fumbles for four years and then drop them immediately by 50% upon the rule change and keep the there without cheating?

    —————-

    My last response to you. This is getting old and boring.

    The fumble numbers are the same at home and on the road. How did they cheat on the road when they don’t have access to the balls after handing them to the officials? If you are right then the fumbling on the road would be much worse than at home, this is not the case.

    You keep talking but refuse to acknowledge this and have avoided answering how they could cheat on the road. You must watch a lot of pro wrestling. In any case, I am done, can’t talk to people that just keep screaming they are right.

  269. realitycheckbaby says:
    May 31, 2015 8:36 PM
    Nofoolnodrool says:
    May 31, 2015 8:02 PM

    I do agree with the Pats on one level, the Steelers cheated with roids until Dr. Rydze got busted for distribution.

    Hey Fool props for finally admitting what we all knew.

    Steelers, 1/4 of all NFL deaths from 70’s /80’s were from their roid rage team.

    And since their team doctor was busted for distributing roids they’ve had exactly ZERO playoff wins.

    But like the Pats fumble miracle, it’s all coincidence.

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    A truth check for Realirycheckbaby. The “Good” Dr was dropped by the Steelers in 2007 …..please explain who won the Lombardi in 2008…. Again I would wait, but you ignore this and bring another lie… Dude it’s ok to be factual it hurts much less than lying. Not as many clicks. But hey we know what you,are here for.

  270. “But like the Pats fumble miracle, it’s all coincidence.”

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    Statistics are not proof of anything. There are always too many alternative explanations for the numbers. In fact, the evidence suggests that if Brady was involved in a concerted effort to remove air from footballs (and he may have had a good reason for doing so if the latest round of articles are to be believed), that this all began after this past year’s game against the Jets (when Brady stormed off the field in anger that the refs over-inflated all the footballs — possibly as high as 16 psi).

    Belichick has always been a bear for ball security. That whole “control what you can” mentality. He must have benched Stevan Ridley a half dozen times for fumbling. If that doesn’t instill the right mindset …

  271. Belichick has always been a bear for ball security. That whole “control what you can” mentality. He must have benched Stevan Ridley a half dozen times for fumbling. If that doesn’t instill the right mindset …

    Uhhh, not always apparently.

    Belicheat was coach from 2003-2006 when the team averaged 1/44 possessions.

    Only after the rule change did it drop to 1/74 possessions.

    So I suppose, coincidentally to the rule change, Belicheat must have been showering one day and had an epiphany that less fumbles were better.

    Then he performed a fumble miracle to drop them by 50% in a fell swoop upon the rule change.

    Well… or the Pats took advantage of the rule change to cheat yet again.

    DSC (Documented serial cheaters)

  272. A truth check for Realirycheckbaby. The “Good” Dr was dropped by the Steelers in 2007 …..please explain who won the Lombardi in 2008…. Again I would wait, but you ignore this and bring another lie… Dude it’s ok to be factual it hurts much less than lying. Not as many clicks. But hey we know what you,are here for.
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    I have no dog in the hunt, but is your only proof that the Doctor had no effect on the winning being the Super Bowl championship won THE VERY NEXT SEASON?

    And the year you point out is from SEVEN years ago…….doesn’t make for a believable defense but, like I said above, I’ve got no dog in the hunt…..

    Best Regards

  273. A truth check for Realirycheckbaby. The “Good” Dr was dropped by the Steelers in 2007

    Yeah, right before the season.

    LOL

    Notice you agreed with all the steroid use previously.

  274. Belichick has always been a bear for ball security. That whole “control what you can” mentality. He must have benched Stevan Ridley a half dozen times for fumbling. If that doesn’t instill the right mindset …
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    But why the drastic drop in fumbling the year after having control of the balls? If he is a “bear for security” what about the years before the rules change?

    Coincidence…..I think not.

    Best Regards

  275. It would be funny to see the companies Brady has endorsement deals with join together and sue the NFL for the slander of their spokeman.

  276. STILLlolatpatshaters says:
    May 31, 2015 5:45 PM
    I
    —–
    Bradshaw clearly said the word “steroids” in the Dan Patrick interview.
    Nothing else. It was clear as day what he meant in that context. He also said what they did was wrong. Surely you would agree that it’s a very odd thing for someone to say if they really did do nothing wrong.
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    There you go, all making stuff up again. Bradshaw used the word “steroids” all right — but you conveniently ignore the rest.

    Bradshaw clearly states that he was prescribed CORTICOSTEROIDS not ANABOLICS. (Surely such an expert on the topic would know the difference.) In other words, good old cortisone. Which you and your grandmother have no doubt been prescribed at one point or another. Says Bradshaw “my use of steroids from a doctor was to speed up healing. It wasn’t to get bigger or stronger or faster.”

    That’s right, garden-variety cortisone. Which you can buy in a cream right over the counter to help that poison ivy itch.

    I bet you knew this too — but you’re such a sneak you tried to get one past us. Sorry, you lose, hater.

  277. I’m a patriots fan and I can’t defend Brady or the orginization on this one… I think even mr. Craft saw the writing on the wall on this issue and realized what Brady had done…

  278. It would be funny to see the companies Brady has endorsement deals with join together and sue the NFL for the slander of their spokeman.
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    Funny….but completely void of reality.

    Best Regards

  279. Cheating goes on by every team out there…just different when the Patriots are accused…a little thing I overheard behind the Bucs bench. A rookie Buc talking to a 4-5 year guy while they were playing Green Bay………Rookie: ” Man, they know every play we are running, how do they know?

    Vet: (snickering) Same way we know what they’re running

    If letting the air out makes you hold on better….shouldn’t Green Bay be fumbling all the time with over inflated balls?

  280. alwaters9 says:
    May 31, 2015 9:32 PM

    It would be funny to see the companies Brady has endorsement deals with join together and sue the NFL for the slander of their spokeman.

    LOL

    And Indy will give up draft picks and the NFL will apologize and Kraft will sue and teams will boycott the NFL in support of the Pats and the Pats will forfeit their first game in support of Brady and thousands will show up for the Memorial Day rally and…

    Why is the entire nation laughing at you?

    DSC

    (Documented Serial Cheaters)

  281. STILLlolatpatshaters says:
    May 31, 2015 8:12 PM
    You mean Alvin Roy of the SAN DIEGO CHARGERS? Oh man this is just getting TOO hilarious! Ha ha ha ha ha!

    Yes. Steve Courson’s supplier, if you believe his testimony. His book is a very informative read on the subject by the way, blowing the whistle on the rampant and systemic cheating in the Steeler organization. I highly recommend it.
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    Oh I’ve read the book, dude (unlike so many Patriots fans obviously). And do you know where Alvin Roy was employed in the 1970s? On the Dallas Cowboys! That’s what makes your claims so HILARIOUS!

    That’s right — in 1975 the Steelers had to FACE the team in the Super Bowl that had Roy on its payroll. If anything they could’ve been the VICTIMS of having to play a juiced-up team. Roy went through Kansas City, Dallas and Oakland, never Pittsburgh. Sorry dude, you lose.

    So you read the Courson book eh? Then how did you miss this quote: “By the time of our dynasty, it (steroid use) was pretty widespread throughout the league.” That’s right, for as much as you haters love to crow about Courson, HE even maintains that the Steelers neither invented steroid use nor perfected it.

    If you knew anything, you’d know Courson even said that Jack Ham and Jack Lambert (and the entire defense for that matter) refused to use them, and that Noll said they shouldn’t be used. A check of Ham, Russell and Lambert’s weight would confirm that, genius. They were actually a bit UNDERSIZED for their day.

    No member of the Steel Curtain ever juiced. Which is pretty much what the ENTIRE team says — but the haters only latch onto the word of one player because it suits their hater purposes.

    But keep on whining about how irrational people are to label your Patriots a bunch of cheats.

  282. a little thing I overheard behind the Bucs bench. A rookie Buc talking to a 4-5 year guy while they were playing Green Bay………Rookie: ” Man, they know every play we are running, how do they know?

    Vet: (snickering) Same way we know what they’re running

    You overheard that conversation on the benchnwhile you were in the stands?

    LOL

    Liar.

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  283. I was curios about the fumbles so just checked the 2014 stats:

    Patriots fumbles:
    Home games: 6
    Away games: 7

    Playoffs (all home): 3

    Super Bowl – neutral field: 0

    Conclusion: The Patriots fumble at the same rate at home and on the road. They are accused of doctoring the balls after handing over to the officials. They don’t have access to the balls after the officials take them on the road so there is no opportunity to let the air out.

    To everybody suggesting that the fumble rate is proof of cheating please explain this. Please not you realitycheck, can’t stand to listen to your babble any more.

  284. realitycheckbaby says:
    May 31, 2015 9:47 PM
    Pats and Steelers arguing over who is the BIGGEST cheater is funny.
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    Not “arguing” anything dude… some of us are just calling out obvious lies and injecting some sanity and truth into this cesspool.

    Now go back to posting about your inferior team and its inferior tradition.

  285. S Rodney Harrison (2007)
    LB Brandon Spikes (2010)
    DE Jermaine Cunningham (2012)
    RB Brandon Boldin (2012)

    That’s more Patriots players busted for PEDs than Steve Courson ever named on the Steelers.

  286. By the way, I compared Seattle 2014. Another good Northern outdoor team that played two playoff games at home.

    For comparison Seattle fumbled 7 times at home during the regular season and 4 times in the playoffs.

    This is compared to 6 times for NE at home and 3 times during the playoffs.

    Road games don’t count because the teams don’t have access to the balls after the officials take them.

    Seems pretty similar to me.

  287. Keep dodging.

    How does a team cut their fumbles from a long term, stable trend over several years to half that number in one year and then keep it there?

    Oh, I forgot, without cheating?

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  288. There is a motivating fear driving the NFL to maliciously slander BRADY & the PATRIOTS.
    What is that FEAR ?
    BRADY & PATRIOTS REPEAT on SuperBowl 50
    The implications of that are on a NATIONAL & GLOBAL level.
    The IMPACT of that will have a monumental effect on World View of the Audience that Goodell (NYC) & the NFL cannot accept.
    They greatly fear that potential impact and the loss of Power & Control that they, along with the Unethical News Media, currently have.
    They CANNOT allow to lose the control over your Perception of Reality.
    Just as they now have you feeding out of their hands crying ‘CHEATER’ without any conclusive FACTUAL evidence.

  289. rwhite001, answer the question.

    Your team did something that can only be explained by cheating.

    Show me another team who cut their fumbles in half when the rule changed.

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  290. Since not every NFL player is tested for PED’s and neither are they tested each week nor each month – we do not know how rampant PED’s are in the NFL.

  291. Please not you realitycheck, can’t stand to listen to your babble any more.
    ————————————-

    Boy, somebody needs a time out!

    Best Regards

  292. There is a motivating fear driving the NFL to maliciously slander BRADY & the PATRIOTS.
    What is that FEAR ?
    ————————————–

    The fear is that the Patri*ts’ continued CHEATING will erode the public’s confidence in the N.F.L.

    Any other questions?

    Best Regards

  293. Good news, we’re making progress.

    rwhite-½ obviously agrees that there is no explanation for the Pats’ fumbling drop other than cheating, or she would have explained it.

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  294. Feel sorry for the legit Boston fans. Not the blind toads who can’t understand big boy subjects. Glad it didn’t happen to my franchise.

  295. Pats aren’t the only team with low fumble rate. Guess what…. nobody has to explain to the haters why the Pats don’t fumble much. Ask Stevan Ridley. He got benched and released. Pats didn’t offer him a new contract.

  296. boomerst3 says:
    May 31, 2015 10:57 PM

    Pats aren’t the only team with low fumble rate. Guess what…. nobody has to explain to the haters why the Pats don’t fumble much. Ask Stevan Ridley. He got benched and released. Pats didn’t offer him a new contract.

    Enjoy the fine, lost draft picks and Brady suspension.

    Goodell doesn’t need to explain it to you.

  297. Your fumbling rate drops 50% when you employ players who are 50% less prone to fumble. Not hard, in a sport where your roster turns over 25-35% every year

  298. That so many are on here complaining brings me ultimate joy… It just shows me how much that the Patriots success just drives them crazy…
    Such obsession over a team that the spend countless hours projecting their anger & frustrations they keep hidden deep down inside & redirected at the fans of the Patriots TRYING to make us feel as bad about our awesome franchise as they feel about theirs…it would be quite comical if it wasn’t so sad…..actually it is a riot!!!

    Keep up those bitter tears…. I for one LOVE THEM!!!
    Your teams just can’t compete, past present or future… What a horrible way to go thru football season after football season… Well, if you’re not a Pats fan that is !!!

    Super Bowl 49 champions. & workin on the next ring !!!

    Go Pats !!!!!

  299. profootball13 says:
    May 31, 2015 10:29 PM
    There is a motivating fear driving the NFL to maliciously slander BRADY & the PATRIOTS.
    What is that FEAR ?

    The fear is that the Patri*ts’ continued CHEATING will erode the public’s confidence in the N.F.L.
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    And that, boys and girls, is the PFT message board quote o’ the day. Well said!

    Maybe we’re finally realizing the real motivation behind the league’s need to take action.

    And it has nothing to do with the make-believe persecuting of a certain Northeastern-based football team.

  300. Your fumbling rate drops 50% when you employ players who are 50% less prone to fumble. Not hard, in a sport where your roster turns over 25-35% every year

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    Well, if that is the case, can you please list the other teams that have cut their fumbling by 50% in one season?

    I’ll be waiting.

    Best Regards

  301. Well, if that is the case, can you please list the other teams that have cut their fumbling by 50% in one season?

    I’ll be waiting.

    Best Regards

    Despite your exemplary manners,they can’t answer you.

    Only the Pats cut fumbles by 50% and stayed there because only the Pats deflated balls.

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  302. No pats trolls, your little ploy about Brady backing down is no proof of innocence. It Brady hoping Kraft can pull strings.. You still have BB that won’t back his QB, none of the QBS are backing Brady, not analysts, none. And Kraft is taking his punishment for his part in this. If he really didn’t think this punishment held water, I can’t believe he wouldn’t fight it. From I expect an apology, to we don’t like the punishment but we accept it… Your owner told you he did it.. Accept it.

  303. I hate the Steelers but I respect them for winning the Super Bowl titles the right way.
    The Patriots hmmmm,Not at all. It would be embarrassing to be a fan.

  304. That’s exactly how an innocent person would behave.

    So, you admit he’s acting…

  305. Plain and simple: cooperate or they wont lower the punishment. You cant refuse to cooperate and then ask for leniency!!! How can pats fans honestly justify that????? Id love for any pats fan to ask their g/f or b/f if they can go through their phone, have them say absolutely not. Then we’ll see if they feel the same way- show ur phone if your innocent. If not, then your actions speak for themselves.

  306. profootball13 says:
    May 31, 2015 11:34 PM
    Your fumbling rate drops 50% when you employ players who are 50% less prone to fumble. Not hard, in a sport where your roster turns over 25-35% every year
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    Also these players who came into NE and dropped their fumble ration by 50% then left the pats and their fumble ration went back up. So whatever ‘technique’ Bill teaches must be forgotten as soon as these players leave NE. Wierd how before playing for the Pats the players’ fumbles are normal and after they leave the Pats their fumbles are normal. But while in a NE jersey- they are astronomically better at not fumbling in a cold weather, outdoor stadium. Weird how that works.

  307. or maybe he just doesn’t care…4 rings, super model wife and have to talk about deflating balls? how many of you guys knew there was such a rule in the NFL that a ball needs to be a certain size…plus, dude gets to hang out with MJ…nuff said

  308. Iknowitall says:

    Bobby Kraft encourages this system of unethical behavior, and is an embarrassment to each of the LEGITIMATE 31 teams.

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    Tell us…just who are these other ‘LEGITIMATE 31’ teams?

    I’m assuming that these are all the teams that have never cheated, right? Never institutionalized the use of PEDs to gain an edge? Never hid players on IR to game the salary cap? Never used stickum? Never pumped fake crowd noise into their home stadium? Never bugged another team’s dressing room? Never put a spy on an opponent’s team bus? Never scripted all of their offensive plays, then faked a malfunctioning headset in order to force their opponent to disable theirs?

    I’m not justifying any type of cheating, but man – get off your high horse.

  309. Lets see.
    The owner conceded and accepted the punishment and got rid of two of the three individuals involved.
    The coach never comes out and supports his quarterback in any way.
    Hell, its not that we think he’s guilty, his own organization and team thinks he’s guilty.

  310. Dumb cheaters talk and deflect and point fingers at everyone else.
    Smart cheaters keep their mouth shut.

    But both are still cheaters.

  311. I have to laugh….
    All the cheater comments are a riot…
    That somehow you think your opinions even matter..

    I’m just really happy to be enjoying ANOTHER Super Bowl Championship… Apparently fans of the other 31 teams aren’t having as good of an off season… Such is life, some win & some lose…

    Can’t wait for the upcoming season…quest for 5th ring!!

    Super Bowl 49 Super Bowl champions, New England Patriots
    Sure hope that FACT doesn’t deflate you too much…:)

  312. Nothing more amusing in the am than reading amateur, pft statisticians. Instead of correlating air pressure to fumbles, let’s try correlating Super Bowl wins to air pressure.

    Between 2001 and 2006 the pats won the Super Bowl 50% of the time

    between 2007 and 2014 the pats won the Super Bowl 12.5 % of the time

    This means that deflating the balls really hurt the pats and we should expect the Super Bowl winning percentages to go back up. Phew

    Keep on hating.

  313. Why bother with the fumble stat crowd? They were written by an obscure blogger trying to make a name for himself. When the analysis was blown up by academic statisticians and pointed out as the junk science that it is, written by an unqualified person, that should have been that. But they keep sucking you in. You know what’s gonna happen when the Pats fumbling stats are the same this year? They’re either gonna say the Pats found a new way to cheat or they’ll change their username and move on to the next tinfoil helmet theory. While the Pats contend for another Super Bowl. Again, don’t waste your time. Baiting you is half the fun for these wingnuts.

  314. I have no love for the Steelers, and sometimes I give Steelers fans a hard time, but no reasonable person could say they are cheaters because some of their guys juiced in the 70’s. None of us have any idea if the Steelers juiced more or less than other teams in that era. We know PED was rampant at that time. If winning a ring was as simple as taking some steroids than every team would be stupid not to do it.

    No the Steelers won those 4 rings because they were the best team and filled with hall of famers with a hall of fame coach. I got no love for franchise but it is what it is. I will say it is dumb for Steelers fans to call Patriots cheaters, because PED is way more impactful than any of the things Patriots are accused of.

    Basically all this is dumb, because at the end of the day the Steelers won 6 rings and NOTHING is changing that. The Patriots won 4 rings and NOTHING is changing that. The Broncos cheated the salary cap and won 2 rings and NOTHING is changing that. Certainly not any small minded trolls on the internet.

    Teams that win multiple rings clearly face high amounts of scrutiny. In the era of massive media, it is easy to take things out of context. The bottom line is that all these teams are doing these same things and if they are not then they are stupid. All of a sudden gamesmanship has become cheating????

    Roger Goodell became commissioner in 2006 and since then what has happened? Scandal after scandal and unheard of changes to the fabric of the game. Look at the facts here: The real problem is in the commissioners office. Where things that could have been dealt with in a diplomatic, fair and subtle way now become watergate type scandals.

  315. And for the record Ill say it again the balls were not even deflated. It just so obvious the data was twisted to meet a pre ordained conclusion.

  316. 4 and counting and you can put all the * you want next to them and weep…

    I understand, if you’re not a Brady fan you need to hate this guy right.

    He makes millions, has a woman for a wife most of us would like to be in the same room with, let alone, well you know!!! And on top of it, no pun intended, she makes more money than him…please!!!

    He’s got a beautiful family.

    He typically destroys your favorite team’s defense, regardless of ball pressure, heck…what was it in that second half…27-0!!!

    But he’a a cheater…I mean, he has to be right…so you can all feel better about your life!!!

    Just so I can understand…

    Standing in front of a player returning a kick…when was the last time any of you brave boys and girls called Mike Tomlin a cheater?!?!

    Using Stickum on your gloves after it was banned…when was the last time any of you brave boys and girls called Jerry Rice a cheater?!?!

    Double standards to say the least…

    But above all jealously of the Patriots success and specifically of Tom Brady.

    Lest you forget…envy is a deadly sin!!!

  317. Brady will get his chance to “air” his case to Roger Goodell on June 23rd. Too bad it will come in underinflated.

    The 4 game suspension stands as is.

  318. Sorry, but I’ve yet to see anything vaguely resembling evidence of (a) a plot to deflate footballs or (b) that deflating footballs leads to an advantage of any kind (there would be trade-offs as deflated balls are harder to throw downfield with as much speed or accuacy. Also defenders would be better able to hold on to errant passes, leading to more INTs).

    I also do not believe removing air from footballs constitutes an act worthy of punishment. The rule-driven psi range is obviously too narrow for game officials to manage. The league should just admit this rather than sweeping its own role in this under the rug. And with all the reports that game officials have been over-inflating footballs against the preferences of many QBs, any QB who *DID* take it upon himself to remove some air could be forgiven.

    And there are all the claims from ex QBs that this sort of thing is prevalent. The league made no effort to account for this testimony, nor did the league made any effort to show it actually cared about psi levels, failing to penalize previous violators.

    Some of you trolls and Internet fantasists (religious fanatics for other franchises) believe you can make yourselves feel better about your own lives by tarnishing the achievements of others. This is an impossible task. If it did not work in baseball where most fans refuse to remove or asterisk the records of undisputed steroid users, it won’t work for football. If you *TRULY* believe the outcomes of 4 seasons do not reflect reality, then you’d be pulling your support for the game. You’d have to lose interest in the NFL. But you don’t — and you’re not. Additionally, you’d have to treat all but the first 49er championship the same way. By the same standard Goodell and Wells applied, you’d have to conclude Joe Montana was “generally aware” his top wide receiver placed a sticky substance on his hands (because it’d be all over the balls).

    Sorry, but as scandals go, this is a laugher. It’s Howard Dean’s Internet candidacy BEFORE Iowa.

  319. Why doesn’t Goodell, Vincent, Grigson, Harbaugh, Well$ and others release their phone texts/records and emails ???

    Why did the NFL leak FALSE & Defamatory statements to the ESPN & the News Media ?

    How is Goodell & Well$ acting as Prosecutor Judge, Jury & Arbitrator compatible with INTEGRITY/IMPARTIALITY?

    Why did Goodell FALSELY state that the investigation was IMPARTIAL?

    Why did Well$ throw out/reject UNBIASED SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that #1.) Exonerated Brady & PATS and #2.) IMPLICATED the Colts

    Why were the Colts footballs NOT investigated with the same MERIT/INTEGRITY/IMPARTIALITY as the PATRIOTS?

    Why did Goodell LIE & DENY about the sting operation set up by Vincent Grigson Colts with NFL approval?

    Why did Goodell NOT make a statement of INTEGRITY concerning the outcome of the AFCCG when RULE 17 NFL Footballs exonerated BRADY & PATRIOTS in a blow out 28-0 second half game?

    Why did Goodell promote and issue inaccurate and false leaks from his office two weeks leading up to SB XLIX?

    Why did Goodell REFUSE to make a statement of INTEGRITY concerning the most heavily scrutinized NFL game, played with Rule 17 NFL Footballs, under the most intense NFL watch in the entire history of the NFL?

    Why did Goodell REFUSE to exonerate BRADY & PATRIOTS with the SCIENTIFIC UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE from both the AFCCG and SB XLIX and Law of PHYSICS/GAS LAW?

    Why is Goodell & Well$ violating the INTEGRITY of the NFL ?????????????

    RISE UP PEOPLE and ‘TEAR DOWN THIS WALL’ (NFL SHIELD)

  320. Standing in front of a player returning a kick…when was the last time any of you brave boys and girls called Mike Tomlin a cheater?!?!


    Now I give the Steelers fanbase grief as is completely deserved for their team’s rampant and blatant PED cheating over the years and the shameless hypocrisy of their fanbase pounding their chests about cheating and other teams… but I hesitate to do that for the Tomlin incident.

    While I believe the NFL should have smacked him much harder than the fine, as not only did he risk catastrophic injury to himself but to other players on the field… I hesitate to call that “cheating”. There is no evidence he did anything nefarious he just forgot where he was standing. Seems like not a hard thing to do when you’re a coach.

  321. We all know except Pat fans that Brady is hiding something, no way he and his wife keep their mouths shut. Remember the great comments by his wife and Brady running down the officials and using the F bomb, come on open your eyes Pat fans he is hiding and guilty of something. something.

  322. The current and 3 time Super Bowl MVP, 2 time league MVP, 4 time Super Bowl Champion and greatest quarterback of all time has already spoken on this matter on 1/22.

    “I didn’t alter the ball in any way”…“I have no knowledge of any wrongdoing….I’m very comfortable saying that.”

    Sounds clear to me. You tell em CHAMP. 🙂

    Sorry it’s not what Patriot Hater wants to hear. 🙂

  323. Arguing that the Steelers weren’t juiced is Reedickulous.

    “The coaches would stand there and yell to guys as they came off the field, ‘Take your pills, take your pills,'” he says.

    ……most players would be handed pills as they left the field for water breaks……

    Whistleblower….

  324. Steelers are cheaters. Maybe not banned until later but prescribing them for non injury is a crime.

    “False Glory: The Steve Courson Story,” cast performance-enhancing drugs as a lingering league-wide problem. In the book, he wrote that 75 percent of the offensive linemen on the Steelers’ late-1970s Super Bowl teams had used

    Even before the controversy surfaced involving Dr. Richard Rydze, the team’s longtime physician who stepped aside last season after authorities revealed he’d run up a six-figure credit card bill purchasing human growth hormone, the Pittsburgh Steelers had a history of associations with performance-enhancing drugs.

    There is no indication that Rydze provided the undetectable performance-enhancing drugs he bought to players. But a number of news reports, player interviews and books have long suggested that the Steelers were among the earlier teams to use steroids steroids.

    We always win!!

  325. The media isn’t doing its job.

    Can someone please ask that fool Goodell why Brady would want to deflate footballs that would be deflated by the weather anyway?

    If Brady and the ball boys had this scheme in place for years they certainly would have understood the weather deflates the balls. Now if the game was played in Indianapolis, and Irsay was turning up the heat to roast the opposition, it might make sense to deflate the footballs, but they wouldn’t have access to the balls in Indy, would they? One of the reasons why I am confused that Grigson was complaining about the Patriots balls after a November game in Indy.

  326. The biggest scandal in NFL history is that Roger Goodell tried to railroad the greatest player in the history of the game and an obedient media bought and paid for by its association with the NFL was a co-conspirator along with toadies like Ted Wells.

  327. “Remember the great comments by his wife and Brady running down the officials and using the F bomb”

    —-

    This ridiculous statement EXACTLY represents the madness and unbridled nonsensical hatred of Tom Brady that people will stoop to in another failed attempt at defaming the winningest QB and team in the NFL.

    You mean to tell me that a competitive athlete actually swore during a game? The horror! You know what that means…

    “Yep, take the titles away boys, the “asterisk” bunch is at the door.” (to roars of laughter in the background)

    Better still, just pat them on the head and let them kick the dirt and mutter “dang it!” as they sulk away yet again.

  328. Just my two cents on the patrtiots fumbling issue. I think that it must be taken into account that on november 14, 2006, the Patriots replace the natural grass field with the new field turf. prior to that, the fields would turn into a muddy swamp every time it rained. this could be a factor in improved ball security. As for deflategate, i couldn’t really care less.

  329. one more thought on this –

    ** IF ** the NFL wants to put this to bed one way or the other, all they have to do is record pressure and temperature of every ball for every game next year at both pre-game, half-time.

    If they do this

    1) the NFL actually care about ball pressure
    2) the tolerances or error of uncertainty would actually be understood

    If they don’t

    1) it proves this was all a sham

  330. here’s another thought for the fumble truthers….

    If you want to prove whether or not air pressure has anything do with fumbling, it would be simple to correlate temperature with fumbles.

    If we learned anything, it is that temperature and pressure are proportional, thus we know all the games where air pressure was low for all teams.

    if air pressure effects fumbles, the data is all there to prove it.

    somehow i think the fumble truthers prefer the “liar liar pants on fire” approach….

  331. ampatsisahypocrite says:
    May 31, 2015 4:47 PM

    mrtampa says:
    May 31, 2015 4:34 PM
    Anything they would need from Brady’s phone they should already have. Larry and Curly’s phones were turned in..
    ————————————————

    More faulty logic from Apologist Central. Uh, you would also be looking for texts and calls from Brady to other players, his position coach, head coach or that shadowy guy the Pats employ as their own CIA director. Who knows, maybe he even blabbed something to a friend or relative?

    Kind of makes you wonder if that’s why, unlike Larry and Curly, he didn’t want to turn in his phone or records.

    This is a little point Pats fans can’t seem to grasp for some reason.
    ________________________

    That doesn’t add up though. Wells himself exonerated all of those other people. If there was a shadow of doubt he would have put it in the report. So how exactly can you feel comfortable picking and choosing which parts of the Wells’ report is accurate, and still accept the whole thing as gospel? That’s like your priest picking and choosing which books in the Bible are real and which are fake. The reason why he didn’t want to turn it in would certainly be Chris Mortenson, Kelly Naqi, Jay Glazer, Mike Florio, Ian Rapoport and any other journalist with an anonymous source in the league office. Moe’s phone is just a little more valuable than Larry or Curly’s, and the Wells Report did nothing but leak information for 3 months. Why should Brady subject his personal life to that, when he knows they have the other personnel’s records? Just because the guy is trying to prove his innocence doesn’t mean he has to be stupid about doing it. The NFLPA and his own counsel clearly advised against handing over his phone. Only the haters, Ted Wells, and Roger Goodell believe he should have turned it in. Now between those two sides, which is going to have Brady’s best interest in mind? Certainly not the second group.

  332. “There is no evidence he (Tomlin) did anything nefarious he just forgot where he was standing.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    NO EVIDENCE ???

    On National TV Tomlin looks up at the Big Screen to see where the Kick Returner is and then positions himself, at the right moment, to step out on the field to block his lane down the sidelines.

    Tomlin knew exactly where he was and what he was doing.

    Cut the BS already. What is your intellect – 1st Grade?

  333. disorien says:
    Jun 1, 2015 12:12 PM

    here’s another thought for the fumble truthers….

    If you want to prove whether or not air pressure has anything do with fumbling, it would be simple to correlate temperature with fumbles.

    If we learned anything, it is that temperature and pressure are proportional, thus we know all the games where air pressure was low for all teams.

    if air pressure effects fumbles, the data is all there to prove it.

    somehow i think the fumble truthers prefer the “liar liar pants on fire” approach….

    ————————

    Good point here!!!

    We know pressure and temp are related.

    Ball pressure will drop in all cold weather games so there will be less fumbles then right…regardless of the teams playing.

    I’m sure when all you haters research it you will find that the reason that the Patriots take care of the ball so well is because of good coaching and the fact that they run the ball less than other teams. Their pass/run ratio is usually around 60% pass 40% run. Bottom 3rd of the league most years.

    That last fact alone tells you fools precisely why the fumbles per offensive play baloney is just garbage.

  334. BRADY is the only starting QB (Salary Cap ERA) to ever lead a team to SIX SuperBowls. Even worse is that BRADY WON four SuperBowls and now wants a fifth ring !!! The NFL SHIELD cannot allow BRADY to make it to SuperBowl 50.

    “It would DEVESATE us” = Goodell, Jets, Colts, Ravens, Broncos

    Fear not losing teams. All you need to do is deflate 0.5 psi and the next thing you know – your QB can do the same.

    This is too easy. LMAO

  335. Ahhhhhhmmmm
    The 2 ball guys have been interviewed many times already….
    They already spilled all the beans they had….which has led us to the whole ” more probable than not” CRAP of a summery by Wells. & his team….
    But thanks for playing…. You are the weakest link…goodbye!!

  336. They should try to get the footballs to testify. After all, they were there. Although, they probably have an agenda too. They work for the NFL and people are constantly poking at them with their needles.

  337. Fumbling Data:
    As a Patriot fan I have been curious about the fumbling issue, so I did a little research and here is what i found:
    (Site is Team Rankings dot Com) This is total fumbles per game.

    Year Team Fumbles Rankings
    2006 Pats 1.6 22
    Colts 1.1 2

    2007 Pats .8 1
    Colts .9 2

    2008 Pats 1.1 4
    colts .8 2

    2009 Pats 1.1 4
    Colts .7 1

    2010 Pats .7 1
    Colts .8 4

    2011 Pats .9 4
    Colts 1.5 23

    2012 Pats .9 5
    Colts .9 4

    2013 Pats 1.5 24
    Colts .9 4

    2014 Pats .9 2
    Colts 1.8 31

    I picked the Colts because their allegation led to the current controversy. From 2006 to 2007 the Patriots fumbles per game dropped by 50%. From 2007-14 the Patriots led the league twice in Fumbles per game. The rest of the seasons they were mostly in the top ten, but there was a big difference between them and the rest of the teams that did well. These figures are total fumbles per game not fumbles lost.

  338. Why did Goodell LIE & DENY about the sting operation set up by Vincent Grigson Colts with NFL approval?

    Why doesn’t Goodell, Vincent, Grigson, Harbaugh, Well$ and others release their phone texts/records and emails ???

    Why did the NFL leak FALSE & Defamatory statements against the PATRIOTS to ESPN & the News Media ?

    Why did Goodell FALSELY state that the investigation was IMPARTIAL?

    Why did Well$ throw out/reject UNBIASED SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that #1.) Exonerated Brady & PATS and #2.) IMPLICATED the Colts

    Why were the Colts footballs NOT investigated with the same MERIT/INTEGRITY/IMPARTIALITY as the PATRIOTS?

    Why did Goodell REFUSE to make a statement of INTEGRITY concerning the outcome of the AFCCG when RULE 17 NFL Footballs exonerated BRADY & PATRIOTS in a blow out 28-0 second half game?

    Why did Goodell promote and issue inaccurate and false leaks from his office two weeks leading up to SB XLIX?

    Why did Goodell REFUSE to make a statement of INTEGRITY concerning the most heavily scrutinized NFL game, played with Rule 17 NFL Footballs, under the most intense NFL watch in the entire history of the NFL?

    Why did Goodell REFUSE to exonerate BRADY & PATRIOTS with the SCIENTIFIC UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE from both the AFCCG and SB XLIX and Law of PHYSICS/GAS LAW?

    Why is Goodell & Well$ violating the INTEGRITY of the NFL ?????????????

  339. Don’t even engage in “mad scientist” realitycheck’s fumble nonsense. First, he’s an angry, emotionally hurt Seattle fan. Understood. Second, he’s a guy who’s work expertise is clearly not in statistical analysis as it relates to cause and effect, because he would have squashed his own elementary school theory before he even started.

    He mistakenly makes the unfounded leap of all leaps as he tries to tie a LONE FACTOR (statistically insignificant PSI change due to the Ideal Gas Law, always changing due to weather conditions) to a situation with many MULTIPLE variables (reasons that fumbles can occur) so that any sane person can see that the failure is in the design of his argument.

    Situational fumbling has too many factors involved in their occurrence to list them all here.

    Since he’s one of the people who’s delusional enough to think HOF quarterbacks are built on a PSI variance that most humans can’t tactically detect (quite laughable), I’ll explain his fatal flaw this way–it’s as if I initiated a scientific theory by postulating that “my child started crying, and since, at that exact time, a cat walked through my driveway—it is proof that cats walking through driveways cause children to cry.”

    That’s how ridiculous his argument in “reality”, actually is.

    …Oh that, and the unadulterated bias, but that’s obvious.

    Maybe realitycheck and Bill Nye the Science Guy can go cry in a beer together over losing to the Patriots last February. It may be better therapy than insulting everyone’s intelligence.

  340. in the last seven years,

    the Colts have fumbled more than the Patriots 3 times, while

    the Pats have fumbled more than the Colts 4 times

    what is the problem?

  341. The truth tends to be consistent. Falsehoods tend to be inconsistent and full of contradictions. That is one of the most compelling indications that the Wells report is bs.

    Many of you have noted the inconsistencies in the fumble argument. Let me add another. All along, the haters have said that Brady was the only person who cared about the air pressure in the balls so he must have orchestrated the deflation if there was a deflation. Of course, if a deflation was done to prevent fumbles, the coaching staff and anyone handling the balls would have a motive as well. Has one hater ever said their fumble theory may exonerate Brady? Of course not.

  342. Great point by tigerlilac that hasn’t been brought up before, to my knowledge:

    First an assumption would have to be made–PSI “adjustment” to a certain, specific range (again, impossible to predict due to weather variations) = lower fumble rates. (You know, they must fumble a lot in the south–it’s hot down there! PSI getting all high and stuff like that!)

    Then, this would have to be a TEAM directive, not a Brady directive.

    Conspiracy yahoos–unite!

  343. We all know how this works. If the target of the mob doesn’t get on his hands and knees and beg forgiveness, the mob will not be satiated. Then the mob will heap scorn on the begging target, and then say they were right all along. You can never give in to the mob.

  344. New England Patriots, World Champions!****

    ****May your jealousy drive you mad, sniveling little wimps.

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