Goodell reconfirms that the door is open for Tom Brady to give up his phone

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As expected, Commissioner Roger Goodell won’t be stepping aside from the appeal of Patriots quarterback Tom Brady’s four-game suspension. As suspected, Goodell may be trying to find a way to reduce the suspension by finding that Brady belatedly cooperated in full with the investigation.

“As I have said publicly, I very much look forward to hearing from Mr. Brady and to considering any new information or evidence that he may bring to my attention,” Goodell wrote in his letter to the NFL Players Association.  “My mind is open; there has been no ‘prejudgment’ and no bias that warrants recusal.”

Brady previously refused to provide text messages from his cell phone, even though investigator Ted Wells offered to allow Brady’s lawyer/agent Don Yee to harvest the information and surrender only the messages that are relevant to the situation, operating essentially on the honor system. If Yee does that now and delivers the stack of texts to Goodell, Goodell could find that Brady finally has cooperated in full with the investigation.

Given the (perhaps deliberately) vague language of the letter communicating Brady’s suspension, Goodell could then, for example, cut the suspension in half.

Brady could still fight a reduced suspension, through the appeal and beyond — realizing the two games has become the worst-case scenario but that the suspension could still shrink to zero through the machinations of the legal system.

The real question is whether Brady will take the bait, or whether he’ll continue to refuse to provide that “new information or evidence” to Goodell. Brady has nothing to lose by complying, unless of course the smoking gun that this case lacks lurks somewhere on his phone.

234 responses to “Goodell reconfirms that the door is open for Tom Brady to give up his phone

  1. You don’t have to give up your phone Tom, but if you are innocent and have nothing to hide, you will.

    My bet is, that he won’t.

  2. So, the league has nothing and they expect someone to try to incriminate themselves to a league that cant contain anything?

  3. See you in court Roger!

    Discovery is going to be SO much fun! 🙂 Get ready to turn over YOUR phone along with Kensils, Grigson’s. And Morts too so we can find out who published the lie about 11 of 12.

    I CAN’T WAIT TO FIND OUT!! 🙂

  4. When will Goddell, Kensil, Gregson and the ref that cheated by over inflating the balls to 16 PSI in the Jets game turn over their phones so all that info can be leaked by espn?

  5. Why should anyone care. Kraft sold out his fans and proved its all about the money and nothing else. You want to watch some real football, watch the Indoor Football League (IFL) or the Arena Football League (AFL) or even the Canadian league. They may not be the best talent, but they put it on the line for love of the game because they sure don’t make any money.

  6. Very simple…if he has nothing to hide then he’ll turn over his phone. You would think that Brady would want to put all this behind him by proving he is innocent. But he won’t because he isn’t.

  7. Oh good. Brady’s phone should finally have an explanation as to why Ted Wells manipulated readings from 2 different gauges to get fraudulent PSI readings. You know, the issue that Goodell, Troy Vincent, and Wells himself have all avoided like the plague. That’ll clear everything up!

  8. Brady is a union member and will not give up his phone as it sets in motion the possibility of other players having to do the same. Wonder why there is never any mention of Stephen Gostkowski not giving up his phone either??? Where is his suspension for not cooperating?

  9. “My mind is open; there has been no ‘prejudgment’ and no bias that warrants recusal.”
    That’s why the NFL did nothing to correct the misinformation campaign and inaccurate Mortensen report regarding PSI even after the Wells Report came out? Sure Rodger. But hey congrats, remember all those people that hated you before? You’re their hero now!

  10. “First, the NFLPA argues that I may not serve as hearing officer because Mr. Brady’s discipline letter was signed by NFL executive vice president Troy Vincent rather than by me. I disagree. The identity of the person who signed the disciplinary letter is irrelevant. The signatory’s identity does not influence in any way my evaluation of the issues; any suggestion to the contrary defies common sense”
    ———————————————

    But Roger.. Troy Vincent is not allowed to hand out suspensions.. only fines and take away draft picks.. Per CBA, The Commisioner is the only one who can hand out the discipline… And in this case it was not you Roger.. Jesus christ I don’t even root for the Patriots.. But Jeffrey Kessler will eat you alive..

  11. Take this to court so then the league will be forced to turn over all their phones and texts and email messages. So we can see once and for all where the false report to Chris Mortenson and ESPN came from and then we can see all the exchanges between Wells and the Colts and the Ravens.

  12. This cheat will never give up his phone because he is GUILTY. Ahahah what a pathetic organization, can’t win without a cheating scandal. Pathetic!! 😀 😀

  13. Why does Goodell still think an appeal has anything to do with “new information” ?

    It doesn’t. It has to do with examining the investigation that took place, the findings and conclusions that came of it, and the discipline handed down based on said investigation and findings.

    An appeal is NOT a continuation of the investigation, it is putting the investigation itself under scrutiny.

    And we all know that is not what he is going to do.

  14. I consider myself to be rather tech savvy, and have a huge problem here.

    Why would any relevant text messages still be on his phone? If there was anything there that could be incriminating – or subject to any interpretation that could be incriminating – wouldn’t it have been prudent to have erased it long ago?

    I’m sorry, but it doesn’t seem like Goodell is trying to find a way to reduce the suspension. It sounds like he is trying to justify it. “I gave him a last chance to fully cooperate”.

    Tom can easily say “I have my phone set so messages older than 90 days are automatically deleted. Sorry Rodger, there is nothing on the phone from that time period.”

    Short of having forensics search the drive for any remnants (and it’s clear Goodell is not calling on Tom to surrender his phone) it only stands to reason there is no new info.

  15. The picture above shows his usual smirk….meaning I am above the rules..smh…He had the egomaniac gall to tell the Ravens that they needed to “learn the rule book” in a presser! Guess who needs to learn the rule book AND follow said rules!!!! I thought he got off too light to start with and Belichick should be suspended with him. Remember the Saints…”ignorance is no excuse”! (I feel the “thumbs down” on their way..lol) and I am no Ravens fan…obviously!

  16. Why??

    If there was anything remotely incriminating on his phone, is there anyone on the planet naive enough to believe that it’s still on there?

  17. It’s a trap. The league will leak anything it can even pretend might be relevant, and probably make up a bunch of stuff like how they lied about all the Patriots balls being 2 lbs under just to get the media in attack mode. I sometimes wonder if reporters get upset at how Goodell exploits them.

  18. “they expect someone to try to incriminate themselves”

    This comment only makes sense if Brady would be incriminating himself, which would mean he is guilty but trying to hide it. So, your primary goal seems to be ensuring that no guilt is found, as opposed to finding the truth whatever it may be.

  19. In Ray Rice investigation Mueller harvested infos from league phones not personal phones. Good enough for Goodell, good enough for Brady.

  20. Brady has nothing to gain by giving his phone over to goodell the megalomaniac. The phone can not prove him innocenct just like the fact that the balls were at the right psi level according to ideal gas law didn’t prove him innocent. See you in court, roger!

  21. How could there be new evidence if there is no evidence against Brady to begin with? New evidence? Oh I forgot Ted Wells told him to incriminate himself via his agent handing over his phone information. What agent would willingly hand over his clients personal phone info to an investigation clearly against his client. Who would expect anyone to do that? Answer Roger Godell, and Ted Wells.

  22. Brady is afraid to give up his phone because. he has all the text messages to Blount on how to walk out on the Steelers So he Blount can get back to Patriots

  23. More of this please!!!! Yes, Sir.

    STILLlolatpatshaters says:
    Jun 2, 2015 3:18 PM

    See you in court Roger!

    Discovery is going to be SO much fun! 🙂 Get ready to turn over YOUR phone along with Kensils, Grigson’s. And Morts too so we can find out who published the lie about 11 of 12.

    I CAN’T WAIT TO FIND OUT!! 🙂

  24. Remember when innocent people decided not to speak up on their behalf because they wanted the process to do it for them instead?

    Me either.

  25. Don’t give it up. Goodell has no right to his phone. Needs to say no just on principle.

    Stand strong, don’t give Goodell more power

  26. Everyone on this site should be up in arms that an employer can demand a personal phone and then punish you on the basis of not providing it.

    Its absolutely ridiculous.

    You don’t get my personal communications unless the courts demand so.

  27. Well, here is Shady’s chance to show he is innocent and make Roger look bad by releasing the proof…..or continue to hide, and evade the truth.

    Patri*t way…..

    Best Regards

  28. brendafortheboyz says: Jun 2, 2015 3:24 PM

    The picture above shows his usual smirk….meaning I am above the rules..smh…He had the egomaniac gall to tell the Ravens that they needed to “learn the rule book” in a presser! Guess who needs to learn the rule book AND follow said rules!!!! I thought he got off too light to start with and Belichick should be suspended with him. Remember the Saints…”ignorance is no excuse”! (I feel the “thumbs down” on their way..lol) and I am no Ravens fan…obviously!

    ——–

    For the 1 millionth time on this site. Why dont you check out how the Saint appeals went?

    Bountygate was a joke.

  29. Goodell is saying in effect “you don’t like the inconclusive nature of this? stop obstructing the investigation”.

    Brady probably won’t turn any records over and Goodell is going to justify his decision to uphold some of the suspension based on that alone.

    This would have been more fun if they busted Brady more thoroughly

  30. SO HELP ME GOD if Brady says his phone is lost, stolen, damage and/or shows evidence of tampering or replacement, then I want all Brady defenders to STOP perpetuating the farce of his innocence. If you agree click Thumbs Up!

  31. Goodell and the NFL are so thoroughly deluded as to their own importance and authority that they’re going to continue to try and make Tom jump through hoops EVEN AFTER THEY SPENT $5 MILLION ON A “COMPREHENSIVE” REPORT THAT TURNED OUT TO BE UTTERLY INCONCLUSIVE.

    This could be the saddest chapter in professional history, folks. Playing out before our eyes. And what’s even more pathetic is that a majority of NFL fans are voluntarily casting aside all evidence, logic, and prior history of the league’s power-mad incompetence to side with Goodell — simply because it means Tom Brady and the Patriots will suffer.

    This is a joke, but it’ll be over in a few months. See you on the gridiron.

  32. See you in Federal Court, you dolt.

    And, I suspect that Brady will perform a complete due diligence on the League and other owners. Is Roger blind to the fact this is where this case is headed? He’s is a terrible Commissioner and a worse attorney.

    And, for all the couch potatoes living in their mother’s basements – no, I wouldn’t give up my phone if I was innocent or guilty. It sets an untenable standard for the union; and, would you turn over your phone to an law enforcement official just because they asked for it? If that’s the case hand me your wallet and credit cards and I promise I won’t copy any of those numbers or use them on any porn sites.

    Why would you give up your right to privacy?

  33. rjov says: “Brady deleted his messages weeks ago”.

    Look up forensics . . . even if deleted it’s still there unless “lost, stolen, or damaged”, and damaged is still not 100% safe from recovery.

  34. getyourownname says: Jun 2, 2015 3:25 PM

    “they expect someone to try to incriminate themselves”

    This comment only makes sense if Brady would be incriminating himself, which would mean he is guilty but trying to hide it. So, your primary goal seems to be ensuring that no guilt is found, as opposed to finding the truth whatever it may be.
    ———–

    When talking about the absurdity of this punishment, yea this isnt about the truth anymore.

    Why werent the Chargers fined more than 20K for using stickum towels which provide the same advantage, grip. The refs didnt notice the balls were sticky when handled? Do you believe it was a one time event?

  35. When Brady is found innocent again, is there a way to reclaim the picks that were stolen? If not, how does the league explain stealing money and draft picks from a team that has been proven twice (once by an “independent” investigator and once in court) to have done absolutely nothing wrong?

  36. Pats fans are all mad that their pre teen idol is caught red handed so their only relief is being mad at goodell.

    LOL

  37. thenyolive says:
    Jun 2, 2015 3:22 PM

    “My mind is open; there has been no ‘prejudgment’ and no bias that warrants recusal.”
    That’s why the NFL did nothing to correct the misinformation campaign and inaccurate Mortensen report regarding PSI even after the Wells Report came out? Sure Rodger. But hey congrats, remember all those people that hated you before? You’re their hero now!
    —–
    Leaks allow the NFL to watch public reaction, which is what really determines the discipline involved in these “investigations.” Since it isn’t an actual legal case, there is no “burden of proof” to worry about, and the NFL is all about public perception and opinion. There is NO evidence that Brady did anything, nor is there evidence that the balls were deflated by anything other than the weather conditions. With the Colts’ balls also showing deflation, this whole thing would be thrown right out of an actual courthouse. Nothing is conclusive, except that the Colts blew a whistle, and the NFL botched a sting operation that they attempted with bad planning.

    Call it whatever you want, a kangaroo court, the Keystone Cops, or a sham, it is all the same thing in the end. The league wanted a scapegoat, and they sort-of found one in the Pats. I’m not even a Pats’ fan, but this thing just stinks.

  38. Goodell: “My mind is open; there has been no ‘prejudgment’ and no bias that warrants recusal.”

    Translation: I have a hole in my head. I paid $5 million for the Wells report; but, I know how inconclusive it is. Pay no attention to Robert Krafts nose print on my butt, it won’t affect my decision at all…….and by the way, I’m the worst commissioner ever!

  39. hawks52 says:
    Jun 2, 2015 3:24 PM

    I consider myself to be rather tech savvy, and have a huge problem here.

    Why would any relevant text messages still be on his phone? If there was anything there that could be incriminating – or subject to any interpretation that could be incriminating – wouldn’t it have been prudent to have erased it long ago?

    ************************************
    The messages aren’t on his phone anymore, but they reside in those big servers in the sky….otherwise known as the cloud or cyberspace. When you delete something its never really “deleted”…..Its why Wells hired a Forensic Company to get the texts from the NE phones. McNally’s phone was not examined by the Forensics company, he merely handed over copies of texts.

  40. “When will Goddell, Kensil, Gregson and the ref that cheated by over inflating the balls to 16 PSI in the Jets game turn over their phones so all that info can be leaked by espn?”

    And incidentally, the Colts broke NFL rules when they took the ball that was intercepted by D’Quell Jackson and checked the pressure themselves on the sideline.

    But that’s different, right?

  41. Everyone assuming Brady not turning over his phone means he’s hiding something, but it absolutely good be at the direction of the NFLPA due to the precedent it would set for players.

    Imagine if every player discipline case was accompanied by the Commissioner requesting to see a player’s PERSONAL, non-league issued cell phone. That’s just not something the NFLPA will or should submit to. This will likely end in a court battle, and if Goodell is truly confident in that speculation packed Wells Report, he should let it go to a neutral arbitrator.

  42. If Roger Goodell was married to a super model he wouldn’t want anyone to see his texts either. Most of you are to stupid to read between these lines, but try.

  43. I can hear it now: “Tom Brady turned over his cell phone, and we did not find any messages implicating him in deflate-gate. However, there was communication between Brady and Hillary Clinton, we spoke to Tom about that. We believe these conversations had nothing to do with the proficiency of deleting electronic messages, but rather that Brady contacted Mrs. Clinton to make a contribution to her foundation.

  44. tccoats says:
    Jun 2, 2015 3:37 PM
    hawks52 says:
    Jun 2, 2015 3:24 PM

    I consider myself to be rather tech savvy, and have a huge problem here.

    Why would any relevant text messages still be on his phone? If there was anything there that could be incriminating – or subject to any interpretation that could be incriminating – wouldn’t it have been prudent to have erased it long ago?

    ************************************
    The messages aren’t on his phone anymore, but they reside in those big servers in the sky….otherwise known as the cloud or cyberspace. When you delete something its never really “deleted”…..Its why Wells hired a Forensic Company to get the texts from the NE phones. McNally’s phone was not examined by the Forensics company, he merely handed over copies of texts.
    ____

    That may be true for SMS text messages, but since many people use the iPhone, iMessages are fully encrypted and are not accessible.

  45. .
    NEVER cooperate with people trying to lynch you.

    ALWAYS fight back against bullies.
    .

  46. Brady in that pic looks like he’s thinking about those 4 shiny Lombardi trophies! I don’t blame him, I keep thinking about them too and they are still oh so SHINY 🙂

  47. It’s funny to see how most people here do not understand the basic technology of cell phones and data carriers.
    There’s nothing left on Tom’s phone.

    This is getting beyond ridiculous and Goodell looks like a fool as usual.

  48. You know, I’ve changed my tune and I’m firmly in line with the Pat fans. I’d be okay if my team did some cheating on it’s way to 4 Super Bowls victories. Why not? I’m with you Pats fans! Give me some Super Bowl victories and I’ll worry about the fans of other teams being jealous. NFL will never have the guts to take them away.

  49. Poor, poor Patriot Hater.

    To think you really do believe your team belongs on the same field as the World Champion Patriots, team of the 21st century. Tee hee 🙂 You poor deluded souls….

  50. Goodell is a loser. Appeals deal with all evidence produced in the case…during the case. This is not court hear where Brady is petioning for a new trial based on procedural issues. What a loser. Keep your phone in your pocket. You have a slam dunk reversal in court. Goodell clearly violated the CBA by allowing Vincent to decide the punishments. And just to diffuse you folks who don’t know any better…Brady won’t be told to hand over his phone by a judge either.

    Brady wins again after Goodell “acts” like he is actually listening to anything during the appeal. Goodell is going down like the Titanic on this one.

  51. crazyaboutthepigskin says:
    Jun 2, 2015 3:32 PM
    See you in Federal Court, you dolt.

    And, I suspect that Brady will perform a complete due diligence on the League and other owners. Is Roger blind to the fact this is where this case is headed? He’s is a terrible Commissioner and a worse attorney.
    ========================

    This is an oft-repeated error. Goodell, incredibly, is not a lawyer. He earned his degree in economics from Washington & Jefferson College in Pennsylvania. After college, he was an intern at the New York Jets (I am not making this up) before settling in with the NFL in 1984.

  52. butwhatabouttheintegrityofthegame says:
    Jun 2, 2015 3:16 PM

    calling goodell a liar while defending brady who wont show his phone is prob the most hypocritical thing you could possibly say. Everyone says this is “crazy” and “non sense”. Yes it is completely unbelievable that the KNOWN cheaters just cheated again. How ridiculous of us.

  53. I’m sorry but the phone is completely irrelevant. Wells told us that only Brady, McNally, and Jastremski were involved, that he was confident that Brady and NE’s lack of cooperation had no bearing on his findings. That was what his report said. He had the phone records for 2 of those men, that means he had all relevant data from all three. Brady followed the advice of his counsel and the union, and rightfully so. No where in any rulebook does it say he has to subject his personal life to scrutiny because the NFL’s investigators can’t stop leaking information to the media. But apparently the haters can’t stop skewing facts. We already know what is on it. You wont find a smoking gun. This isn’t a guilty man hiding something from the league. This is a person maintaining his right to privacy, the same as any of us would do, from a group of people that did nothing but leak information, both false and true, over the course of 3 months without a care in the world about who was hurt by it. Brady would’ve been crazy to give over his phone

  54. Brady didn’t think he had to cooperate by handing over his text messages? Maybe that guy’s gotta study the rule book and figure it out.

  55. And2 hrs after he gets it everything on the phone will be leaked to the public

  56. I wonder if Goodell can come in and EXTEND the suspension for lying, cheating and that stupid smug mug of Marsha’s.

    I say 8 games to 1 years is about right. You know he’s been at this for years and it is high time to pay up and be accountable for your actions.

    #patfansaredumb
    #taintedfranchise

  57. As a Patriots fan who would love to see Tom Brady play every game this season, I hope he would refuse to give up his phone even if doing so would completely exonerate him. Never, ever, ever cooperate with an investigation against you under any circumstances, especially one conducted by your own employer. It is a foundational principal of our civilization that a person has no moral or ethical responsibility to cooperate in their own persecution.

  58. Uh, they never asked for his phone. They asked for texts and email related to the investigation. Which Wells’ team already had since they had everything from Jastremski as submitted by the Pats. There was never any communication between Brady and Mcnally. Ever.

    I’m amazed at how many people get this simple point wrong.

    Brady was s.o.l. from the word “go” on this one.

    Here’s a scenario for what many of you people seem to be missing, and act like you would just offer up all your devices at the drop of a hat.
    —-

    Wells: “Brady, give us all your communications with Mcnally and Jastremski that are related to this investigation.”
    Brady’s Lawyer: “You already have it, since the Patriot’s gave you full access to the dumps from the cell phones in question along with other electronic communications.”
    Wells: “Oh, right. So we do. Ok then, just give us Mr. Brady’s phone and access to his email account so we can verify that you’re not hiding anything.”
    Brady’s Lawyer: “Why would you need that? You have everything already related to the case.”
    Wells: “We just want to be sure you are telling us the truth.”

    Catch 20/20 here for Brady, and he’s being burned for it. Besides, the Wells team already proved it wasn’t interested in being discrete with the texts they reviewed. As evidenced by many of the published exchanges between Mcnally and Jastremski that clearly had nothing to do with the investigation.

    Wells, Goodell and the NFL have absolutely nothing to lose here. There is so much public out cry over this, they can act pretty much however they want and all the piggies feeding at the trough are gobbling up that slop.

    Everyone crying over the integrity of the game. Don’t make me laugh. The people who actually believe that are probably in the single digits. If you were all so worried about the integrity, then there would be more outcry over someone like Rodgers saying he over inflates balls to try and get them past the refs. That’s ok though, since the refs checked it. Doesn’t matter that it is outside the league’s specified limits. I wonder how many of you would still be screaming bloody murder if Brady actually did have balls underinflated and the Refs did ok them. Some how, I bet that would still be a major circus and both Brady and B.B. would be lambasted by everyone and their mother.

  59. When talking about the absurdity of this punishment, yea this isnt about the truth anymore.

    Why werent the Chargers fined more than 20K for using stickum towels which provide the same advantage, grip. The refs didnt notice the balls were sticky when handled? Do you believe it was a one time event?

    And the 20K fine was not for using stickum; it was for not turning the towels over to the NFL when they were asked to-in NFL parlance ‘failing to co-operate’……a million for the Patriots and 2 draft picks vs 20K for the chargers……for the same thing!!!!

  60. I wonder why the ref cheated for the Jets and overinflated Brady’s footballs to 16 PSI? I wonder why Wells deliberately and purposefully glossed over key information that might have turned the investigation on its ear? I wonder why they deliberately are hiding the fact there was a sting? I wonder why Kensil and the NFL allowed some of a conference championship game to proceed with potentially illegal footballs to be played. I wonder who leaked the lie about 11 out of 12 being 2 pounds underinflated?

    The league does not – I repeat – DOES NOT want this to go to court for discovery.
    They are not going to like what will happen if and when it does.

    And neither will Patriot Hater. 🙂

  61. #PatriotHaterFearsTomBrady
    #PatriotHaterWussiesFearTheWorldChampions
    #welltheydo

    🙂

  62. My above comment should be:
    “When talking about the absurdity of this punishment, yea this isnt about the truth anymore.

    Why werent the Chargers fined more than 20K for using stickum towels which provide the same advantage, grip. The refs didnt notice the balls were sticky when handled? Do you believe it was a one time event?”

    ——-

    And the 20K fine was not for using stickum; it was for not turning the towels over to the NFL when they were asked to-in NFL parlance ‘failing to co-operate’……a million for the Patriots and 2 draft picks vs 20K for the chargers……for the same thing!!!!

  63. We have the judge, jury and executioner here. Am really tired of all of this. He doesn’t NEED Brady’s cell phone, he wants it. Just another arrogant play to say “look at me, I got it!!!”. They have any and all texts from the two employees phones. This is just ridiculous.

    I hope the union presses him on why there was no internal investigation into NFL employees during this whole process. Why doesn’t the Commissioner need to answer question like: Why did Troy Vincent hand down discipline? Why didn’t NFL look into leaks to Chris Mortenson about incredibly wrong information being leaked to blow this thing up? Or why was the Indy ball boy allowed to check the pressure during the game when that is illegal? Or why werent the Patriots like every other team notified before the game that they were “watching for this”.

    Why isn’t there pressure for the Commissioner to get these answers? I guess it is ok to say that the “INDEPENDENT”, and I use that term loosely, Wells Report covered that when it truly did not. This whole thing is such a farce!

  64. It’s early June and the haters are still frustrated. Best of times.

  65. #goatQB
    #goatCoach
    #goatTeam
    #goatFans
    #WeAreBetterThanYouAtEverything
    #WeRuleTheNFL
    #bowtothechamps
    #bowtoyourmaster
    #weownu
    #YourTeamIsNotOnOURLevel

  66. TB should give up his phone, but only if the NFL and their lackluster goons sign NDA agreements that are as binding if not more so than this joke of a CBA.

    It’s amazing how they paid 5 million dollars for a Wells investigation that had more holes in it than a rusted bucket. How did the other text transcripts get released? The NFL assured the individuals that they wouldn’t be released, but they obviously were.

    TB should offer to release the evidence only if Goodell will promise in writing they will not be released. He should say “I would give over my phone, but their have been previous instances where the texts were not kept confidential as initially promised”

    This paints Goodell into a corner, because if there is a release after TB turns over the goods, it means that the NFL has some leaks to fix.

  67. Let’s respect Tom’s privacy. His bikini wax appointments for his heynannernanner are not the NFL’s business.

  68. hairpie2 says:
    Jun 2, 2015 3:16 PM
    So, the league has nothing and they expect someone to try to incriminate themselves to a league that cant contain anything?

    =====

    hey hairpie, he’s only incriminating himself if he’s GUILTY!

  69. He means records right? Cuz even I can afford a phone with a delete option..just go ask Verizon or whoever and be done with it

  70. “there has been no ‘prejudgment’ ”
    —————————————————-
    There literally HAS been pre-judgment. In the letter the nfl first sent, they had their preliminary findings the night of the game where they declared that there was tampering. And then they paid millions of dollars to Ted Wells to (shockingly) confirm their preliminary findings. He’s an idiot.

  71. Give up you phone or not. Suspension stands or not. Doesn’t matter! Brady’s legacy will say cheater forever. He’s the NFL’s Lance Armstrong.

  72. And Roger, you are free to expound further on the fact that 3 of 4 Colts balls were “under inflated” and the ref’s then stopped due to time constraints. There was a problem and your officials chose not to continue. If 0 of 4 tested acceptable, then I would have less doubt in your findings.
    Also try to expound why you do not understand accepted science.
    Yes, there appears to be some type of impropriety, yet just because I think you are an idiot, does not make you an idiot. Or does it?
    You have botched so many investigations and suspension in the last couple of years, now is the time for you to follow in Sepp Blatter’s footsteps, to the unemployment line. But don’t wait til December.

  73. He should have said this then the Shady would be drop the appeal…

    We will consider phone records. Based on that and cross-examining with the ball boys, the suspension could be reduced or increased.

  74. Goodell should have said this and Shady would drop the appeal….

    We will consider further evidence of Tom’s cell phone and then cross-examining of ball boys based on that. That could either decrease or increase the suspension based on what we find.

  75. let me get this straight

    “WE PUBLICLY EXCLAIM HIS GUILT IN A VERY AGGRESSIVE MANNER YET HAVE NO EVIDENCE AND HOLD HIM HOSTAGE IN THE COURT OF STUPID PUBLIC OPINION UNTIL HE INCRIMMINATES HIMSELF BECAUSE WERE TOO STUPID TO FIND ANY EVIDENCE….”

    did i get that right mr piece of garbage goodell

  76. 4 months later to the date. 🙂 And Patriot Hater is still emotionally wounded after Malcolm Butler put them on the floor with a KO punch. 🙂 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  77. scrp2 says:
    Jun 2, 2015 4:03 PM

    Let me reconfirm. This is over air pressure in a football?

    ———————————————

    In part. The other part is that Brady failed to cooperate with investigators.

  78. Brady shouldn’t need to provide any new information or evidence. All he needs to do is show how flawed the conclusions from the existing evidence are.

    2 gauges. Wells picks which gauge instead of the ref? The main basis of Well’s opinion boils down to 2 texts?

    There is ZERO evidence that proves or even alludes to intent to deflate below league limits.

    Rule book is a fine of $25K and subject to conduct detrimental.

    If there is no intent to deflate below league limits, then there is no conduct detrimental.

    Which means 2 draft picks and 4 game (or any game) suspension is completely unwarranted.

    And the million $ fine needs to be reduced to $25K – per ball if need be.

  79. I love’d this thread… Just some points on deleting messages from your phone.

    1) The person you sent them to still has copies
    2) The person who sent them to you … still has copies
    3) If the Brady ordered the code red … he didn’t use his phone to to it. (unless he is an an idiot) … if he did they would have had the message in Jastremski’s phone… if he deleted it , they catch him “destroying evidence” … they didn’t because it wasn’t in the Well’s report.
    4) I have no idea what they could be looking for…

    I can see no reason not to turn over the phone… none…

  80. I’ve never done anything illegal, but I’ll be damned if I’m going to turn my phone over to anyone. There’s plenty on there that’s private that has NOTHING to do with breaking the law. Imagine a celebrity like Brady…must have all sorts of cool stuff on his phone from numbers of hundreds, if not thousands, of celebrities. Certainly there’s some “home made videos” *wink wink* or photos that are private. Since the authorities don’t know exactly where to look for evidence, they’ll just look everywhere. No thanks.

    That being said, he’s a cheater!

  81. “Goodell may be trying to find a way to reduce the suspension by finding that Brady belatedly cooperated in full with the investigation……

    Given the (perhaps deliberately) vague language of the letter communicating Brady’s suspension, Goodell could then, for example, cut the suspension in half…..

    Brady has nothing to lose by complying, unless of course the smoking gun that this case lacks lurks somewhere on his phone.”

    Come on. You know better than that. Wells had absolutely nothing on Brady and look where Brady and the Patriots are at. Do you think this is anything less than an attempt by the despot Goodell to implicate Brady with additional out of context allegations.

    Brady will surrender the requested documents to a court of law that will hear the case with the appropriate integrity. That will never happen with Goodell. And the sooner all this happens the better.

  82. Given they took a text message from May 2014 and built a case around it, using it multiple times in the final report I wouldn’t have much faith they wouldn’t isolate one innocuous message and make it into something it never was…

    Oh yeah the message in question was the infamous ‘Deflator’ message… sent in May 2014 but positioned like it happened during the NFL season by Ted “I write to a preconceived conclusion” Wells.

  83. Brady is not going to accept one minute suspension and this will go to federal court. And yes, I do not believe for one minute that Brady instructed them to deflate balls below the legal PSI. He most likely told them he wants them at the lowest acceptable level.

    This has become very personal for Brady and I have a feeling that his legal team will make a farce out of the Wells Report and Adolf Goodell in federal court.

    I have posted this before but this would NEVER have happened under Tags watch.

    Goodell should take the lead from the FIFA President and get out.

    Hate the Patriots all you want but as Saints fans know this jerk is a power hungry monger.

    It can happen to your team.

  84. Goodell denies bias – but then REJECTS the “best recollection” of a 25 year veteran referee which shows that NO DEFLATION OCCURRED

    Do they think this veteran official has a bad memory? No – they accept his “best recollection” everywhere else – they just reject what doesn’t fit with their pre-determined outcome

    So why should Brady or any player give up their civil rights for a violation that didn’t occur according to the officials?

  85. Goodell has been the worst commissioner in all of sports. His penalties have no prior precedent and makes them up as he goes along. Many teams and players have been screwed over by him. Fans have been calling for his firing but now when he uses a report full of so many holes, the Patriot Haters love him again. I hope Brady takes this to court and exposes Kensil and all involved in this set up. Brady likes balls deflated(criminal) and Aaron Rodgers likes them inflated(He’s a Saint). Haters will grab onto every little thing, and act like hypocrites because we know only the Patriots have ever cheated in NFL history and praise this setup. Be careful what you wish for. Goodell might come after your team and don’t whine when he screws your team over with more than probable evidence and crucifies your team. Believe it or not, especially Broncos, Steelers and Ravens fans, your team has cheated before and will do it again. It is the nature of the sport. Just ask Jerry Rice!

  86. It’s a no win situation for TB12. If he hands over the phone and nothing is found everyone will claim that he deleted anything incriminating. Don’t hand it over and he’s got something to hide. Either way a fresh batch of troll tears are scheduled for delivery on or shortly after June 23rd.

  87. The “Deflator” does indeed Deflate – and re-inflate – footballs as he admitted.

    He likely does what Eli Manning’s equipment manager does as detailed in the 11/23/13 New York Times article “Eli Manning’s Footballs Months in the Making”

    Isn’t it interesting though that in testing the footballs at half time the NFL couldn’t test all of the Colts Footballs in 13 minutes by simply inserting a needle gauge – but asserts that the Patriots could PERFECTLY deflate that many footballs in 130 SECONDS?

    Goodell himself undermines the integrity of the game – the media needs to call him out on these things

  88. Now it’s time for the fbi to open an investigation into revenue roger “sepp batter” goddell. If revenue roger and his NFL cronies had their way they would stage the super bowl in Qatar as long as that nation wrote a check for $10m to Revenue Roger “sepp blatter” Goddell.

  89. I am a Jets fan but I am a fan of the NFL first and foremost. No entertainment out there provides what the NFL can, I love everything about it.

    I’ve sat here and enjoyed the Pats fall as much as the next guy here but after actually reading the Wells report and not just bits and pieces from news lines or other filtered arenas, I must admit that the NFL got this wrong. There was clearly no evidence and clearly a one sided investigation.

    As much as the Patriots have beat on me over the years and year after year I sit and watch them finish ahead of us, I’d love to say I am happy they are getting put to the cross on this, but I stop and think about it, I’m not. If this were the Jets and the Jets had a winning stretch (please Lord – one day! Please!) then I’d be fed up and done with the league and the NFL after something like this.

    I feel this is a story and got blown out of reasonableness because they are the Patriots, and they win. Hell, there was evidence in the Wells report about us over-inflating balls during a game vs the Patrios, I doubt there will be an investigation on us. There is video evidence of the Vikings and Panthers game inflating balls on the sideline, they got a 25K fine because they are the Vikings and Panthers. The Chargers got caught with tar on the balls, no investigation.

    I for the longest time brought up SpyGate and this is just a culture of cheaters, ect. Until my buddy from work (a Patriots fan) showed me news articles of my Jets, the Dolphins, Eagles, and other teams filming on sidelines pre-2007 (which to my knowledge was illegal then as is was in 2007) So as a fan of the NFL I turn a blind eye to this and just lash out because they are the Patriots? I’d be devastated if this was my Jets and this BS was destroying my teams run at success, I’d be done with the NFL all together to be honest.

    Any other day I will be rooting against the Patriots but during this farce I am on their side. Probably the only time a Jets fan will ever say that.

    (see Lord, I am good, help the Jets win, please!)

    j/k – sorry this was so long, but I felt this needed to be said.

  90. dsigrey says:
    Jun 2, 2015 3:21 PM
    Brady is a union member and will not give up his phone as it sets in motion the possibility of other players having to do the same. Wonder why there is never any mention of Stephen Gostkowski not giving up his phone either??? Where is his suspension for not cooperating?
    ________________

    Gostkowski did not cooperate but he played no role in the game balls. He only played with the kicking balls which, if I recall, were not found to be problematic.

    His role of not cooperating was insignificant to the investigation, hence no suspension or fine.

  91. Most of you still don’t get it. The union WANTS to go to court. This fight is about the CBA and not Brady at this point. Brady has been cooperating from day one with the union to undermine Goodell’s continuing effort to in effect add language to the CBA that allows him to exact punishments arbitrarily. So far he has been losing badly in that endeavor, but the league will fight to the bitter end.

    The union will allow the Goodell hearing to happen because courts like to see all possible remedies of an internal nature exhausted before they step in. Then the league will lose in court because all past practice regarding similar penalties for transgressions of this nature have been far far less severe.

    The CBA says Goodell can hand out punishments, it doesn’t say he can go easy on one and hammer the other for the same infraction.

  92. I am hoping for the day when Patri*t fans wake up and realize Brady’s suspension is not just for his role in deflating footballs. It is for the accumulated and continued cheating by the entire organization.

    SnowplowGate
    SpyGate
    CommunicationsGate
    McDanielsGate
    HernandezGate
    BlountGate
    InelligibleGate
    DeflateGate

    These are just the ones we know about and it is far too long of a list. How many others have the Patri*ts gotten away with or the NFL has swept under the rug?

  93. “The messages aren’t on his phone anymore, but they reside in those big servers in the sky….otherwise known as the cloud or cyberspace.”

    I thought that too and then looked it up. It seems that major carriers delete messages surprisingly quickly. Don’t recall, but they would be long gone.

    Besides – it’s been said over and over that Goodell is not asking for the phone itself – simply a transcript of the relevant messages. So certainly he has no intention of going after the carrier’s servers either.

    This is simply a final statement for Roger to say “Tom would not cooperate and therefore the suspension stands on the basis if obstructing the investigation”.

  94. The NFLPA is conducting the appeal on Brady’s behalf.

    Whether Tom Brady wants to give up his phone or not, there is no freakin’ way that the NFLPA is going to accept setting the precedent that a player MUST give up his personal phone every time in order to avoid being labeled as un-cooperative. If that phone was alleged to have been used in an actual CRIME that’s one thing. But short of that, it should be a non-starter.

    If Tom Brady does decide to give up his phone, I’d think that the NFLPA would say “OK, Tom, that’s not what we want. Thus we are out of here and you are on your own”

  95. Guilty. Everyone knows it. Except Boston of course. Gee, I wonder why?

  96. Why doesn’t Goodell, Vincent, Grigson, Harbaugh, Well$ and others release their phone texts/records and emails ???
    Why did the NFL leak FALSE & Defamatory statements to the ESPN & the News Media ?
    Why is Goodell& Well$ acting as Prosecutor Judge & Jury ?
    Why did Goodell FALSELY state that the investigation was IMPARTIAL?
    Why did Well$ throw out/reject UNBIASED SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that #1.) Exonerated Brady & PATS and #2.) IMPLICATED the Colts
    Why were the Colts footballs NOT investigated with the same MERIT/INTEGRITY/IMPARTIALITY as the PATRIOTS?
    Why did Goodell LIE & DENY about the sting operation set up by Vincent Grigson Colts with NFL approval?
    Why did Goodell NOT make a statement of INTEGRITY concerning the outcome of the AFCCG when RULE 17 NFL Footballs exonerated BRADY & PATRIOTS in a blow out 28-0 second half game?
    Why did Goodell promote and issue inaccurate and false leaks from his office two weeks leading up to SB XLIX?
    Why did Goodell REFUSE to make a statement of INTEGRITY concerning the most heavily scrutinized NFL game, played with Rule 17 NFL Footballs, under the most intense NFL watch in the entire history of the NFL?
    Why did Goodell REFUSE to exonerate BRADY & PATRIOTS with the SCIENTIFIC UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE from both the AFCCG and SB XLIX and Law of PHYSICS/GAS LAW?
    Why is Goodell & Well$ violating the INTEGRITY of the NFL ?????????????

  97. In related news, Brady reconfirms that turning over his phone is not an option. Doing so would result in implicating several Patriots personnel…including himself, his coach & his owner.

  98. The CBA says Goodell can hand out punishments, it doesn’t say he can go easy on one and hammer the other for the same infraction.”

    Nor, does the CBA allow Goodell to gin up a case against a player and steal four weeks of paychecks from him.

    Goodell thinks that by delegating to Vincent and saying an “independent” Wells investigated that he can circle the wagons, hear the appeal and uphold the penalty by saying he acted within his rights under the CBA. Kessler is expert at not letting that happen.

  99. Next Goodell will want Brady to disconnect his land line, hand over his telephone and answering machine and all his telephone bills. Goodell can’t wiretap Brady’s phone and it takes a court order for the telephone company to turn over their records. Since Goodell has no legal right, he has to hope Brady turns over his cell phone voluntarily. Wells already proved that the NFL will twist and construe anything that is said or texted.

  100. Brady is about as innocent as OJ Simpson. Unfortunately the result will most likely be the same. ” If you can’t clear the air, then you must be fair”. Spygate, Leave your pregnant girl for another, Deflatgate.. All time legend and heck of a role model right there folks.

  101. come sit on daddy’s knee Tommy, we will discuss the first thing that pops up. everyone already knows two things. Giselle is the planet’s hottest beard. patriots cheat and shave to win games. that is all that needs to be said kids.

  102. Imagine this scenario. Brady takes the NFL to court and the trial gets delayed, Patriots go 18-0 and Brady loses his arbitration hearing, taking him out of the Superbowl.

  103. Why doesn’t Brady hand over his phone if he has nothing to hide ?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Goodell is like the cop who has his gun drawn, ready to fire, pointing at you and yelling ” Drop the Weapon” – When you have no weapon !

    WAKE UP PEOPLE –
    Try and follow the story from the very beginning when Harbaugh/Ravens were beat in the playoffs and then to the sting by Vincent at half time AFCCG.

    WAKE UP ALREADY !!!

  104. The fumbles prove they’ve been cheating for years.

    A team can’t magically cut fumbles in half.

    Shady isn’t giving up the phone because it would implicate Belicheat.

    No explanation for fumbles falling by 50% – wonder why?

    DSC (Documented Serial Cheaters)

    Cheers and God Bless.

  105. The NFL has not proved:

    There was a deflation. (based on testimony of NFL’s own expert and the head referee)

    Brady had a motive. (he had blown out Colts repeatedly; never asked for balls below 12.5 psi; and, the cold would deflate the balls anyway)

    Brady had the means. (NFL admits Brady didn’t do it himself; the surrogate’s only opportunity was during 90 seconds in a bathroom and a reasonable assumption is he took a leak not that he did what 2 refs couldn’t do in 13 minutes)

    Brady had the opportunity (the only potential witness exonerated Brady)

    Brady committed any action (no evidence)

    How does one defend oneself against something that didn’t happen, that the accusers admit you didn’t do, but say you must have orchestrated, even though they have no evidence?

  106. It is not happening, whether TB is OK with turning over his phone or not.

    This case serves two purposes, to clear Tom Brady and to allow the NFLPA to reign in the out-of-control power of the czar Roger Goodell, power that is not in the CBA. The CBA calls for cooperation, but it doesn’t give Goodell the authority to decide that cooperation trumps all privacy rights.

    TB and the NFLPA can accomplish BOTH goals without pitting them against one another.

  107. Patriots fan is developing clinical symptoms. Grab your psych degrees and head to Boston. Invest in strait jacket companies. Triple production of Thorazine. We have a crazy emergency.

  108. Double standard violation. Roger, how about you provide the league and fans with your personal records. You sir, are as corrupt as corrupt gets, I hope you get banned from the NFL, and get charged criminally for impersonating a league official. The writing is on the wall, the fans don’t like you, the players don’t like you, and now you are losing favor with the owners –

  109. “Brady has nothing to gain by giving his phone over to goodell the megalomaniac. The phone can not prove him innocenct just like the fact that the balls were at the right psi level according to ideal gas law didn’t prove him innocent. See you in court, roger!”
    —————-

    Apparently the ideal gas law was much more applicable to the Patriots balls than the Colts since the amount of deflation was much greater? LOL

    It wouldn’t see the court room for at least a year, so what good is that going to do after he has already finished serving his suspension.

    If he was innocent, all he would have to do is give a print out of any text/emails between him and the 2 deflator guys. Not his phone….print outs of only those messages arranged by his attorney.

    Why do you suppose he refuses to do that when it could possibly prove him innocent if he was actually innocent?

  110. denverdude7 says:
    Jun 2, 2015 4:51 PM
    I am hoping for the day when Patri*t fans wake up and realize Brady’s suspension is not just for his role in deflating footballs. It is for the accumulated and continued cheating by the entire organization.

    SnowplowGate
    SpyGate
    CommunicationsGate
    McDanielsGate
    HernandezGate
    BlountGate
    InelligibleGate
    DeflateGate

    These are just the ones we know about and it is far too long of a list. How many others have the Patri*ts gotten away with or the NFL has swept under the rug?

    ___________________________

    Alright, well first of all: yourteamcheats.com

    Your Broncos are not as clean as you think. They were fined and docked draft picks TWICE for salary cap violations that actually CAN be attributed to both of the SB wins at the end of Elway’s career. How about an asterisk there? Denver Br*nc*s.

    As for the other junk. The snowplow, yeah I suppose so. Is that any worse than a team intentionally leaving a tarp off to let the field conditions deteriorate?
    Spygate, still, is not about what you think it was.
    Communication, if that’s what I think it is, is another report from an “unnamed source” who might have heard something from someone. There’s no truth in that sham of an article.

    Not sure what you’re on about with Mcdaniels or Blount. Hernandez has exactly what to do with cheating? They knew as much about Hernandez’ personal life as the Ravens did about Lewis. Do you moan about them as well?

    Innelligiblegate, really? A college play, that was ok with the rules at the time of the Ravens vs. Pats game is now considered cheating? Really? That lump 3 feet above your posterior, you should try using it.

    Can we stop with the whole Gate nonsense as well? It was the name of a hotel, Nixon wasn’t charged with H20 tampering.

    And shepard Goodel continues to reign in his flock of sheep.

  111. Why do you suppose he refuses to do that when it could possibly prove him innocent if he was actually innocent?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Some people are born stupid while others are BOTH born that way and choose to stay that way.

    The statement at top is from BOTH, when you consider the FACTS that Goodell & the NFL are NOT interested in proving Brady innocent.

    Try to fit that in between your ears.

  112. Ahhh, Roger, I think its “more likely than not,” that you had first hand knowledge of this since Grigson notified your office. Not knowing what goes on in the league office won’t get you off the hook. As you’ve stated regarding the Saints. Why don’t you, for once, hire an independent arbitrator so this can go away and stop you from looking like a bigger fool.

  113. Anyone who thinks turning over your PERSONAL phone to your employer is EVER smart is not!

  114. hawks52 says:
    Jun 2, 2015 3:24 PM

    I consider myself to be rather tech savvy, and have a huge problem here.

    Why would any relevant text messages still be on his phone? If there was anything there that could be incriminating – or subject to any interpretation that could be incriminating – wouldn’t it have been prudent to have erased it long ago?

    I’m sorry, but it doesn’t seem like Goodell is trying to find a way to reduce the suspension. It sounds like he is trying to justify it. “I gave him a last chance to fully cooperate”.

    Tom can easily say “I have my phone set so messages older than 90 days are automatically deleted. Sorry Rodger, there is nothing on the phone from that time period.”

    Short of having forensics search the drive for any remnants (and it’s clear Goodell is not calling on Tom to surrender his phone) it only stands to reason there is no new info.

    ————————————————————

    phone company has every single text snet or received from any phone… problem is you either need a warrant or you need to be the NSA or 3rd party needs your permission to release it.
    erasing it off your cell phone is irrelevant unless you’re just hiding it from ur significant other. same goes for emails and any electronic communication its all data thats retrievable under the right circumstances

  115. technicall they dont even need his phone they just need his lawyer to sign off on the paperwork and in good faith im guessing they will allow him to search the texts from the phone company and turn over anything thats relevant .. same offer as before but deleting texts from ur phone has no relevance to their existence still.. every text you have sent from ur phone is stored with the phone company regardless if you delete it or not its stored !

  116. I pray pray pray this goes federal. I want the full tmz experience for the nfl since they gave it to Brady and the Patriots. REGARDLESS of how this goes, the Patriots will go no worse than 2-2 to start and then the butt whooping’s will commence. Even the most ignorant here gets this fact, right?

  117. Apparently the ideal gas law was much more applicable to the Patriots balls than the Colts since the amount of deflation was much greater? LOL

    It wouldn’t see the court room for at least a year, so what good is that going to do after he has already finished serving his suspension.

    If he was innocent, all he would have to do is give a print out of any text/emails between him and the 2 deflator guys. Not his phone….print outs of only those messages arranged by his attorney.

    Why do you suppose he refuses to do that when it could possibly prove him innocent if he was actually innocent?
    ____________________________

    It was greater, oh ye of impressive mental aptitude, because the Colts balls sat in a warm room for nearly 11 minutes before they were checked. The phenomenon is also explainable by the Ideal Gas Law. It is in the rebuttal, the science is pretty sound on that point.

    If it doesn’t see the courtroom for a year, then I’m pretty sure they would file an injunction to let him play until the case is heard.

    That’s just it, again showing your aptitude here, Wells already has all of the records from Jastremski and Mcnally. Brady only ever communicated with Jastremski, therefore they already HAVE all of the necessary communications between Brady and Jastremski. There are no communications to be found between Brady and Mcnally, because Brady never sent a text to Mcnally.

    Since you agree that all he has to do is turn over the texts to prove his innocence, and they already have all of those texts, I guess that means you believe in Brady’s innocence. Welcome to this side of the fence.

    If you bothered to educate yourself on this, i.e read the Wells report, the rebuttal and the scientific papers that prove the ideal gas law is in the culprit here, then you would already understand all this. I guess it is just easier to buy whatever it is the NFL, ESPN, Fox et.al. are selling.

  118. erasing it off your cell phone is irrelevant unless you’re just hiding it from ur significant other. same goes for emails and any electronic communication
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Well then, let’s have that TRANSPARENCY & INTEGRITY that Goodell claims to have and take a look at the texts, emails & phone records from the NFL front office as well as the Colts & the Ravens AND from the 31 other Team Owners & Coaches who have been in contact with Goodell about the PATRIOTS “Cheating”.

  119. The Patriots were punished for taping a from the wrong spot on the field after the rule changed, and every team was told not to do so, 8 years ago. That’s it.

    Everything else is a bunch of sad people begging for anything to explain why the Patriots win so much. It’s like saying Lebron James scores so often, he must be up to something, because he beat your team for years. No rational adult with a brain could draw a straight line relationship between a tick of air pressure (that, mysteriously, no ref ever felt at all) into a ball made of Velcro. It’s beyond dumb.

    Great teams protect the ball. If the Patriots gave away the ball like your team, well, they’d be your team. The one that probably lost to them on their way to the Super Bowl.

    Ask Eli Manning how he cut his interceptions in half over one year (27 to 14)–he prepares balls for 4 months before playing a game with them. Know why you won’t? Nobody cares because they were 6-10 last year.

  120. I guess it is just easier to buy whatever it is the NFL, ESPN, Fox et.al. are selling.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    NO, NO, NO.

    It is NOT what Goodel, ESPN & the Unethical News Media is SELLING.

    It is what THEY are FEEDING to their Sheeple – The DimWhit People.

    Keep BELIEVING because you were TOLD to BELIEVE little Sheeple – Now move along.

  121. So giving up the phone, and all the private, non-football related information on it where leakages abound, is just plain STUPID. This is inane as well as a right to privacy issue. This is not a court of law, this is not a criminal proceeding, what a bunch of crap this is. Roger, why don’t you give up your phone and all the chats you had with individuals over this case and let us determine if you’ve prejudged already and should indeed recuse yourself? What a farce.

  122. Funny how the Steelers fans are commenting and praying that TB does not play in the opener as he will lay another 50++berger on the Steelroids.

    Only chance for Steeler fans is a Brady suspension otherwise Steelers start 0 -1

  123. Look, they might just as well end all discussion, rubber stamp the 4 gms, and end the dog and pony show. It’s over. Goodell way overrreached on the penalty. Four games and a 1rst rnd pk for a transgression he has no evidence even happened. Even if it did, it’s never been enforced before and was no worse than the Vikes cooking FBs. Except it was the Pats. Someone wanted to get them. The science is junk in the Wells report. One can infer something from the texts, but there’s no proof of anything. But, Rice knocking out his fiance in an elevator on videotape was only worth two games. Now Goodell has to try to reestablish some credibility. He knows if it goes before even a remotely neutral arbitor, the penalty gets reduced or tossed completely, he loses face and he paid 5 mil for a joke of a report that was commissioned to find a foregone conclusion. That the Pats were guilty. He also is concerned with saying, ‘see I don’t play favorites’.
    If he gave up his right of judge, jury and executioner, he’d look even more foolish than he already does. He can’t do it. Hopefully he’ll see at least a little reason and reduce it to 2-3 gms. Best you can hope for.

    Forget about court. The union bargained away those rights. Rice, Peterson and the Saints went to court on legal technicalities that don’t apply to Brady’s situation.

  124. I’m not a Patriots fan but I don’t understand how you can suspend someone with no real evidence and even if Brady deflated the balls himself, the refs handle the ball every play. If it was such a huge deal to the game and made such a considerable difference, why wouldn’t a ref have ever done something about it previously. Shouldn’t that be where this is being monitored?

  125. All the HATE for Goodell lol things are exactly how they are supposed to be… the owners pay Goodell this BIG BUCKS to take all the hate make all the unpopular decisions listen to millions saying he should be fired .. this is all in the blueprint .. nothing out of place. the more hatred that gets spewed to Goodell just reinforces his job. it proves to the owners “see im doing my job they hate me not you” thi is how it goes bu in all relity why should he recuse himself?? this is what the owners pay him to do without bing able to rule on integrity of the game issues and take all the heat what exactly would be the point in having a commish?
    the more hate Goodell receives the more it reinforces hes doing his job !

  126. Goodell already decided guilt in this case.
    He won’t completely lift the suspension because he would have to walk punishment to the team and cast some doubt on his precious $4 million purchase.
    So just shut up and get this sham appeal over with.
    Just don’t lie about it because it insults our intelligence.

  127. if the owners could write a ideal situation in a discipline ruling it would be…. for Goodell to have an investigation and if found more likely than not for him to take the appropriate unpopular actions and enforce the discipline. for him to take on ALL the public backlash be called out and bashed and have the public calling for HIS job yet all the while the punishment still being enforced …. this truly is the perfect situation when unfortunate situations that need punishment come up ! everything directed and blamed on Goodell ! it doesnt get any better than that for the owners !

  128. This is a TEST to see if ‘Lights are on and You are home’.

    TEST: 1

    FACT # 1.) Goodell hired & paid Well$ MILLION$ for an IMPARTIAL Investigation that reached a predetermined outcome – Guilty verdict for the PATRIOTS, with a Report from Well$ that lacks conclusive evidence to support the outcome and lacks evidence of impartiality – Colts. Goodell now seeks new evidence to help support the guilty verdict.

    Question : TRUE or FALSE

    If your answer is False – Please provide FACTUAL EVIDENCE for your answer.

  129. think about it …. 32 owners go in a room every single year a long with the competition committee sometimes just owners they vote on all kinds of things from rule changes to league policies to teams moving to cameras in the endzone … and EVERY single year immediately after things are announced IMMEDIATELY things like ” fkn GOODELL is ruining the game with these rule changes and blah blah blah …. PERFECT lol reality

  130. higheriqthanyou says:
    Jun 2, 2015 5:24 PM

    The fumbles prove they’ve been cheating for years.

    A team can’t magically cut fumbles in half.

    No explanation for fumbles falling by 50% – wonder why?
    **********************
    Are you talking about that fumble report that has been debunked statistically?

    But let’s ignore statistics for a moment and see if common sense can help us out. Surely you are talking about that fumble report that measured fumble rates from 2007-2014. Did you realize this includes the entire season Brady missed? Yes, remember that one? Matt Cassel led the Pats to an 11-5 season. Was Matt Cassel also deflating balls, leading to lower fumble rates?

    Well if so, surely this remarkable drop in fumble rates must have followed Cassel around after he left the Patriots, yes?

    Do yourself a favor a look up the fumble stats for Cassel’s teams since the Patriots. It will be enlightening, I assure you.

  131. Brady is the leagues top dog he can’t hand over his phone or he’s handcuffing every other player in the union. The tom brady handed his phone over answer will cripple the NFLPA. He cannot set a presidence for the other players in the union like this.

  132. To help ‘Raise Awareness’ of Toms dilemma, Gizzelle has designed a new line of Lingerie wear to also ‘support’ Toms defense.

    The G-SWELL Lingerie wear will have the Patriots logo on it.

    The Panties back side will say ‘QB SNEAK’ , while the front will say ‘TD’.

    Tom does not like the Bras though – On the front of the Bras it says ‘GRONK THIS’.

  133. ring5: You flunked any kind of an intelligence test with your comment.Kraft welcomed Wells to investigate – That is until it didn’t go his way.You are false and so is your comment.

  134. bencoates57 says:
    Jun 2, 2015 3:28 PM
    “Guilty until proven innocent. Just what our forefathers had in mind”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Fits right in with Goodell’s cry for INTEGRITY.

    Defeat Injustice = DEFEAT Goodell

  135. You don’t have to give up your phone Tom, but if you are innocent and have nothing to hide, you will

    Ok, you give up your personal info / phone / whatever to prove you’re not a pedophile.

    See how that works?

  136. What makes Goodell believe all the evidence was ever on Brady’s phone? Maybe he emailed the ball boys via computer. Should Brady be forced to give up his computer too?

  137. why are people so confused about the ” give up the phone” hello NFL doesnt want his phone…. they dont want to see it hold it or touch it…. y dont you people understand that..not all but theres a ton who keep repeating things like ” well with all the leaks i wouldnt give up mine either” or “thats an invasion of my privacy” do you guys really not read?? sheesh and Goodells JOB is to rule and oversee matters like this…. and im sorry the whole “WELL$” got paid millions ummmm o would ANY independent company… people dont work for free ! by the way the Patriots were looking forward and welcomed the WELL$ investigation until they didnt like the ruling. all this screaming and hollering and not owner has come out and said Goodell should could or will do a single thing different !! everyone supports him who matters !

  138. Brady had the egomaniac gall to tell the Ravens that they needed to “learn the rule book” in a presser!
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    BINGO !

    That is when the 1st phone call to Goodell rang and FRAME -GATE was born.

    Brady challenged the Authoritarian Rule of Goodell & the 31 Owners & their Coaches.

    This has nothing to do with 0.5 psi and

  139. Headline June 23

    ABC, NBC, CBS, ESPN, CNN, Fox, SI :

    JUDGE GOODELL: PATRIOTS GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS
    (and we’re afraid to question his papal infallibility)

    In other news :

    We deserve Pulitzer Prizes for journalistic excellence
    .

  140. marianfl24 says:
    Jun 2, 2015 7:09 PM
    ring5: You flunked any kind of an intelligence test with your comment.Kraft welcomed Wells to investigate
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Well you PROVED me right by giving an INCORRECT answer.

    #1.) KRAFT invited an IMPARTIAL investigation which, in FACT, did NOT take place.

    #2.) KRAFT asked for CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE which, n FACT, does not exist in the Well$ Report or with Goodell.

    #3.) Conclusive FACTUAL evidence was seen on National TV (taped for review) that FACTUALLY EXONERATES Brady & the PATRIOTS – TWICE.

    LOGIC wins

  141. marianfl24 says:
    Jun 2, 2015 7:09 PM
    ring5: You flunked any kind of an intelligence test with your comment.Kraft welcomed Wells to investigate
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Well you PROVED me right by giving an INCORRECT answer.

    #1.) KRAFT invited an IMPARTIAL investigation which, in FACT, did NOT take place.

    #2.) KRAFT asked for CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE which, n FACT, does not exist in the Well$ Report or with Goodell.

    #3.) Conclusive FACTUAL evidence was seen on National TV (taped for review) that FACTUALLY EXONERATES Brady & the PATRIOTS – TWICE.

    LOGIC wins You Lose – Try Again

  142. rcali says:
    Jun 2, 2015 3:45 PM
    You know, I’ve changed my tune and I’m firmly in line with the Pat fans. I’d be okay if my team did some cheating on it’s way to 4 Super Bowls victories. Why not? I’m with you Pats fans! Give me some Super Bowl victories and I’ll worry about the fans of other teams being jealous. NFL will never have the guts to take them away.
    ——————————
    Being a Pats fan I’m actually going to agree with you, the league won’t have the stones to take away any trophies. Otherwise, no teams would have trophies. If every minor infraction resulted in a trophy being stripped there would be no point in playing the Super Bowl. Every team screws with the balls, juices up, pumps in crowd noise, tapes signals, holds, puts bounties on other players…..etc…..etc….. If this bothers you maybe you should watch baseball, oh wait, maybe you should watch hockey, never mind. Welcome to sports, get over it.

  143. Lol, Pats fans but hert…still holding on to hope that their QB isn’t a cheater. Funny.

  144. Goodell is an idiot but he’s stumbled upon an argument here that is pretty difficult for Brady to counter. Brady has allowed himself to be stuck in no-man’s land from the very start: He’s not claiming to be innocent but he’s not owning it and accepting responsibility for his actions, either. Either of those strategies could prove successful for him but complaining about the severity of the suspension while tacitly admitting to the charges won’t.

  145. What Pats fans miss (or refuse to admit) is the difference between “beyond a reasonable doubt” and “a preponderance of the evidence”.

    Too different levels of proof required, and while the Wells report used the latter, Pats fans insist it be the prior.

  146. 0.5 psi is not the issue here….. the issue is there is enough evidence to support a more likely than not outcome of guilt… guilty of not cooperating fully with the investigation (violation of nfl bylaws) GUILTY of tampering with the balls after the officials had them set(violating the integrity of the game) whether it was he colts or messages referencing deflater way back in the beginning of the season or possibly seasonS ago…. the violations are that… violations… whether the ball was between regulations during the Colts game wouldnt change the violations ! simply inserting a needle after the officials already set the balls is a violation regardless if u had someone set them at min or not …. the violation was still messing w the balls… and then refusing to cooperate is a violation.. he was told upfront they did not want his phone they didnt wanna see it touch it or take it … in good faith turn over only relevant messages from the phone company …he refused.. OK thats a violation ! period !

  147. and anyone with a working brain cant tell me those text messages they do have are not awfully incriminating and miss me with the whole “well he was losing weight ya see” come on man !

  148. What if he doesn’t have any incriminating evidence on his phone? What does his Brady and his lawyer submit?

  149. and as far as this being a “slam dunk case” for Tom Brady … WRONG its really a complete LOSE LOSE…. NFL has admitted the fact Brady refused to cooperate weighed heavy with their punishment… there is NO judge in this land who can tell Goodell whether or not he felt brady cooperated or not nor is there a judge willing to attempt to… this is Goodells feeling and the court wont rule on that…. if Goodell feels he was being lied to or misled or not cooperated with he has every right under the collective bargaining to discipline Brady and theres nothing a Judge could or would do !

  150. You guys have no idea why Brady isn’t giving up his phone. Is it an invasion of privacy? Yes. Is it a bad precedent to allow such a violation? Yes. Are his lawyers telling him not to? Don’t know. Is the Union asking him not to? Don’t know. Does the NFL seem to indisciminately leak? Sometimes to make people look bad? Most definitely. Is Brady just an innocent man giving the finger to a witch hunt? Maybe. Point is, I don’t know and neither do you. Does it automatically imply guilt? Hell no. I always say I would do anything to clear my name if I were ever in trouble and were innocent. But, in the real world, you see a lot of people settle out of court because their lawyers say it’s the easiest path. Brady can’t win. Even if they find nothing incriminating on his phone, people will say he had it scrubbed. There’s no upside. People that believe he is guilty will continue to believe it. Even if it’s just because your team got it’s butt kicked.

  151. I think people have totally missed what the Wells Report proved. Tom knew the rules. He knew the process after the slected his footballs. He knew the ref’s system and he knew the flaws in it. The report proved he had means, motive and opportunity. He tried to separate himself from the whole thing and got caught lying about it. The Wells Report proved Brady held John and Jimmy responsible for the refs actions.

  152. Goodell is an idiot but he’s stumbled upon an argument here that is pretty difficult for Brady to counter.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Very Good Point. HOWEVER…….

    Brady’s counter to Goodell is the NFLPA with the slogan ‘PROVE IT’ , which neither Goodell or Well$ have been able to do.

    This is why Goodell keeps ‘Fishing’ for more vague phone texts that can easily be misconstrued and molded to a PREDETERMINED OPINION by Goodell.

    Goodell is relying on ‘CUT N PASTE’ for his guilty verdict.

  153. nikopow says:
    Jun 2, 2015 7:58 PM

    What if he doesn’t have any incriminating evidence on his phone? What does his Brady and his lawyer submit?

    —————————————————————

    if this were the case his lawyer would have already came out with a statement saying ” my clients electronic messages have been reviewed by me and or my team and we have found ZERO relevant messages to this case” but of course beyond anything his lawyer must remain ethical and cannot nor will he say that unless it were true hence y wells offered the whole “in good faith” making it clear his lawyer could go through the messages and simply pull relevant ones out and turn them ver and the nfl would accept that as cooperation… it didnt happen… we know why… same reason TB hasnt come out and stated ” i am completely innocent of all the findings in the WELLS report” hasnt happened….. so here we are … common sense … the evidence we do have with the surrounding factors ,,,,, is more than… “more likely than not”

  154. He tried to separate himself from the whole thing and got caught lying about it.

    Based on what? You were doing pretty good until then. Where was the proof the balls were even deflated? What did Brady lie about? Because he said he didn’t know McNally when every one called him ‘bird’. This is exactly the type of bull I’m talking about.

  155. there doesnt need to be PROOF of anything ! no smoking gun is needed ! the fact when all the evidence is combined its atleast 51% more likely than not that the balls were tampered with after the officials set the balls ! along with all the texts the video of the guy illegally entering a room with the balls the fact the balls had shown some sort of deflation regardless if is under the limits or not the fact TB refused to turnover relevant messages along with a ton fo other circumstantial evidence …. it meets the requirement of 51% more likely than not ! and thats not even needed if GOODELL himself feels brady and the organization failed to cooperate the only requirement there is if goodell believes they failed then they did ! thats black n white… dont like it … argue it in the next CBA !

  156. Tedmurp. He denied knowing who McNally was and what his job was. McNally himself said Tom told him what his preference was. JJ said Tom knew who McNally was and what his job was. So how does Brady defend himself? Calling them liars?

  157. pack15forever says:
    Jun 2, 2015 3:20 PM

    Very simple…if he has nothing to hide then he’ll turn over his phone. You would think that Brady would want to put all this behind him by proving he is innocent. But he won’t because he isn’t.
    ——————————————————–
    Does cheese clog your brain? Too many brain cells killed by Old Milwaukee? How can a Packers fan rip Brady on a air pressure issue when your own little darling Aaron Rogers stated for the whole world to know that he tries to slip over inflated balls past the refs because he prefers them harder than the max limit? He’s quoted, never denies the quote, on a national broadcast no less and the NFL doesn’t bat an eye? Yet Brady is found guilty with zero proof than any air was deliberately taken out. You got to be kidding me.

  158. Why is Florio telling us Goodell wrote a letter that he didn’t write? Goodell’s lawyers wrote this letter. They didn’t write it after giving Brady’s motion (written by his lawyers) a fair hearing. They rejected it out of hand as a motion from an adversary.

    Get it. It is Brady versus Goodell. A death match in Goodell’s eyes.

    There was no independent NFL Security team investigating this case. The Vincent Team wasn’t independent. Wells wasn’t independent. The expert Wells hired wasn’t independent. There is no independent Goodell that will hear the appeal.

    For whatever reason, this was a paid hit on Brady and the Patriots.

    The media, for whatever reason, doesn’t want to admit that simple truth.

  159. ReligionIsForIdiots says:
    Jun 2, 2015 3:23 PM

    This cheat will never give up his phone because he is GUILTY. Ahahah what a pathetic organization, can’t win without a cheating scandal. Pathetic!!
    —————————————————–
    Obviously the opinion of a highly religious person.

  160. If you are against Brady and the Patriots, you support lack or rights in the workplace and agree with Roger Goodell and how he conducts business. Someone please try and tell me it’s any more complicated than that. Hate them, love them but at the end of the day…if this holds up…just wait. Anyone who doesn’t think Belichick doesn’t know where ALL the league’s bodies are buried are in for a rude awakening. If 4 games, a 1st and a 4th plus a cool million is ththe going rate for this, what will it be for breaking the law?

  161. patrick102977 says:
    Jun 2, 2015 8:03 PM

    and as far as this being a “slam dunk case” for Tom Brady … WRONG its really a complete LOSE LOSE…. NFL has admitted the fact Brady refused to cooperate weighed heavy with their punishment… there is NO judge in this land who can tell Goodell whether or not he felt brady cooperated or not nor is there a judge willing to attempt to… this is Goodells feeling and the court wont rule on that…. if Goodell feels he was being lied to or misled or not cooperated with he has every right under the collective bargaining to discipline Brady and theres nothing a Judge could or would do !
    ———————————————–
    Thanks for your opinion Chief Justice patrick102977. However your opinion doesn’t mean jack. I’ll wait for a real judge with real jurisdiction to make a legitimate decision.

  162. Any writer or reporter that has pretended that Goodell has exhibited any good faith in this process is either an idiot or being simply disingenuous.

    Florio has been playing Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. After having carried the NFL’s water for months, he finally posted a few threads with relevant analysis that challenged the NFL talking points. Alas, this report is just another thread to make Goodell look like he’s something not, unbiased.

    Brady was convicted by the NFL from day one. The lack of evidence just dragged the process out while the NFL smeared Brady in public and searched for any credible case they could to charge him. After four months they had nothing but character assassination to support their charges and tried to force a confession or get Brady to cop a plea by overcharging both him and the team. Despicable.

  163. Okay, I give. I would accept Brady’s suspension if, and only if Aaron Rogers gets the same suspension. Until that happens I will never accept that this wasn’t a set up by top league officials and is completely unfair and is somehow related to Brady being involved in a lawsuit against the league. He had to be punished and what better way than to completely ruin his reputation.

  164. Florio, my offer still stands.

    You and I debate deflategate in the home of the American Revolution, Lexington, Massachusetts.

    I’ll pay for the venue and we can do a podcast.

    Tom Curran can moderate or Mike Reiss.

    A Fan Versus Florio.

  165. The most hilarious play I ever saw was in the Super Bowl when Wilson threw the losing interception, Sherman was about to break down into tears, Bennett and Irvin went into roid rage and ganged up on Gronkowski only to both get slammed to the ground.

  166. So for those that say Brady won’t turn over his phone because he is guilty, if he does and is exonerated and suspension lifted, will you accept that at face value?

  167. Pat fans, this is a serious question. What does the NFL have to gain by any of this? I mean the game itself? What is the gain here?

  168. 200 hits & still going…. Nice to see anything & everything Patriots related DOMINATES so many fans of OTHER teams out there… How’s it feel to be OWNED by another team??
    Must be tough having to know that the Patriots are Super Bowl 49 Champions & still the TEAM to beat going on 14 years now…& no sign of them getting worse anytime soon!!
    Brady & Belichick are just to darn good!!
    Love that they continue to HAUNT your world!!!
    Go Pats… Ring # 5 awaits!!!!

  169. So what happens if Brady goes the full route through court and the court overturns Brady’s suspension because the Wells Report is flawed and there is no evidence. Then does Kraft have any recourse on the penalties given to the team?

  170. Do people really believe Goodell should be able to take away millions of dollars of salary from Brady because he “feels” Brady didn’t fully cooperate? No proof, just a feeling?

    Do fans hate their own lives so much that they resent the players that play their favorite professional sport? A resentment that runs so deep that you want to sew a scarlet “C” to Brady’s chest, deny him the right to play the game he loves, while stripping him of millions of dollars in contractual earnings? The guy that just won the super by beating the best defense in the history of the game after being down 10 points in the fourth quarter?

    And, you want to do all this over a hoax perpetrated by suits in the NFL offices in new York that serve a cabal of billionaires who have a different set of professional conduct requirements of each other than they do for the players?

  171. Speaking today on Mike & Mike, ESPN legal analyst Lester Munson made it clear that any legal appeal and/or defamation lawsuit by Brady could backfire in clearing his name. We’ve this happen with other prominent athletes, most recently Alex Rodriguez, whose ultra-competitive nature played right into the hands of his high-powered legal team, who coaxed him into thinking the appeals process was worth the fight. It wasn’t. He looked silly trying to defend himself when he should have just moved on. Munson seems to think it’d be wise if Brady did, too.

    “It’s really easy when you’re looking at it with your lawyer by yourself that this is going to help you,” Munson said in reference to any potential legal action. “Then you find out the hard way in the litigation process that this is not going so well.”

    #urheroisgonnacave

    #foldlikeanapkin

  172. “My mind is open; there has been no ‘prejudgment’ and no bias that warrants recusal.”

    He may have said this with a straight face… But his fingers were crossed behind his back!

  173. What does he have to do for you to get the message Brady? THE FIX IS IN! He and Kraft cut a deal… ALLL YOU HAVE TO DO is send him the phone so he can destroy the evidence like he did before (with that nasty Spygate mess) and he’ll reduce ALL of the penalties AND make the union look bad in the process! You’ll miss all of one…MAYBE two games max as that’s ALL the CBA allows for anyway.
    Meanwhile, he’s handed that “Hardy thing” off to a league friendly “arbitrator” who will uphold all 19 games to make the league look good and keep both Mara and Kraft happy!

  174. Tedmurp. He denied knowing who McNally was and what his job was. McNally himself said Tom told him what his preference was. JJ said Tom knew who McNally was and what his job was. So how does Brady defend himself? Calling them liars?

    Brady knew the guy as “Burt” but his nickname was “Bird”….Brady even got that wrong… Never knew him as McNally… That should show that there wasn’t all kinds of communication between the 2 right there…

  175. I can’t wait for June 23rd. Because right after that Appeal Hearing all Hell is going to break loose.
    I see suits, counter suits, and the NFL losing BIG!

  176. Let’s be clear, this was supposed to be an investigation into whether or not the patriots cheated in the AFC championship game. I don’t see how Brady’s cell phones records are relevant to that. The NFL needed to prove that the Patriots deflated footballs during a single game… they couldn’t do that… they didn’t do that. But whatever, mob justice… great.

  177. The common “spin” that the pressure data is “inconclusive” is mystifying.

    If you trust the refs memory as to what the beginning pressures were and what gauge he used, the Patriots footballs lost 1.01 psi of pressure, on average, when they should have lost 1.0-1.3 psi of pressure.

    It is conclusive that no tampering could have taken place.

    That should have ended it, and would have ended it, if not for Mortensen’s big lie of “11 of 12 footballs were 2 psi under”.

    0 of 12 footballs were 2 psi under, in fact

  178. Missing link points to possible JJ and WA collusion. Skip the spitting match about who is the worst weasel in the whole affair and look at the data. Exponent/NFL assumes Pats footballs were filled by JJ with an accurate gauge and concludes WA had to be using another accurate gauge (non logo) to verify pressures were 12.5 pregame. WA recalls otherwise (logo Gauge on Pats footballs.).

    Lo and behold, Exponent reports Pats’ gauge was “lost” after the game! Maybe because JJ uses inaccurate Logo gauge to set pressures and WA uses same gauge to check Pats’ pressures. This resolves the mistaken Exponent assumptions about non logo gauge on Pats’ footballs. Then the before and after pressures line up perfectly with non deflation scenario. But it does suggest some kind of an “understanding” between the two, because for this scenario to work, WA had to use nonlogo gauge on Colts’ footballs. Was low Pats’ pressure simply the result of consistent pregame use of inaccurate gauge? League needs this scenario not to grow wings.

  179. There was no independent NFL Security team investigating this case. The Vincent Team wasn’t independent. Wells wasn’t independent. The expert Wells hired wasn’t independent. There is no independent Goodell that will hear the appeal.

    For whatever reason, this was a paid hit on Brady and the Patriots.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Condensed version

    PATRIOTS/BOSTON = Birthplace of US Revolution = Players vs Owners = Freedom vs Owned

    Goodell/NYC = Corruption/Dictator Rule = Oblah_MA-CARE/CONTROL=GIANTS 08, 12 PREZZ ELECT Years
    GIANTS= Power over humanity

    PATRIOTS = Sons of Liberty/Rebellion

    AFC = Red = Blood of Soldiers = 1st & 2nd Ammendmendts = TRUE AMERICAN FREEDOM for the PEOPLE

    NFC = Blue = Sky = Above men = POWER & RULE = NATIONALISM(Hitler)

    2016 PREZZ ELEKT = No PATRIOTS = Can’t have that, do not allow the People to WAKE UP and REVOLT.

    That is why Goodell & the NFL started this with the AFCCG. THEY do not want a PATRIOTS REPEAT SB50

  180. So giving up the phone, and all the private, non-football related information on it where leakages abound, is just plain STUPID.
    ——————————————

    FOR THE LAST TIME: HE WASN’T ASKED TO GIVE UP HIS CELL PHONE. HE WAS ONLY ASKED FOR A PRINT OUT OF ALL MESSAGES BETWEEN HIM AND THE DEFLATOR’S. WITH HIS LAWYER AS THE INTERMEDIARY. WHY CAN’T YOU PATRIOTS FANS GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD??????

  181. For the LAST TIME people (Struggle with Common Sense)

    1.) Goodell hired & paid Well$ 5-MILLION$ for a SUPPOSED Impartial Investigation.
    2.) FACT – the Investigation had a predetermined outcome directed from NFL front office – Find Brady & Patriots GULTY.
    3.) Report from Well$ lacks any substantial or conclusive evidence to support the outcome.
    4.) Report lacks evidence of Impartiality. Colts not investigated – Colts Footballs not measured with same MERIT & PROCEDURE as Patriots balls. Scientific Analysis thrown out.
    5.) Goodell now seeks new evidence to help support the guilty verdict. Which he will, of course, determine to be conclusive.

  182. I find it amusing that people really think that the NFL is as dumb as everyone thinks they are.

    First, do you really believe that Ted Wells did not realize the circumstantial evidence that his report supplies? You think he purposely ignored the Ideal Gas laws? The investigators know the holes of their report. And what was the most important item they needed to either clear the matter, or pursue it further??? Go ahead…say it. We all know the answer. Tom Brady’s phone, text, and email records. Yet you all still don’t realize this?

    To the NFL the “rub” is that Tom Brady did not supply his phone or email records. If this were a court of law (which it is not) given the other phone records provided by others that discuss Tom Brady, and the records from TB to the equipment guy, there would have been a subpoena issued a long time ago. But this is not a court. And that is why the CBA is written compelling players to cooperate with investigations.

    The fines and suspensions are because they could not get the conclusive evidence likely contained in TB records. Conclusive, one way or the other.

    Privacy you all claim?! That is funny. In a work environment those veils are likely pierced. Especially when your union collectively bargains that its members will cooperate with investigations. This would look much better on Brady, had every Patriot organizational member refused to give their records to protect their privacy. But when some do, and then TB doesn’t, it does not look good.

    I have to say I am a believer in privacy. But the union has let its membership down. I also will say given the extraordinary latitude given Brady to produce the records, I move away from the privacy concerns and say it was stupid not to produce what the league asked for. He had the ability to not include anything that was not related.

    If Brady sues, this will be hung up for years. And the issue will be how encompassing is the cooperation language of the CBA? PSI and taking leaks in bathrooms are not the issue.

  183. Tom will never turn over his cell. He will never take this to court. I think there is damaging information on it. Does anyone really believe he did not continue to text JJ on JJ’s private cell? I am sure he was advised to stop using Pats issued phones.

  184. Brady will surrender his phone now—or at least the “messages that are relevant to the situation.” And those messages that are relevant to the situation will only be those that already appear in the Wells report.

    Prior to the release of the report, Brady and his legal team ran the risk of releasing an incomplete set of messages. At that time, they had no idea which texts from other Pat’s employees (or any other person possibly involved in the case) that Wells might be in possession of. Had they chosen not to include Brady’s side of exchanges that Wells already had from others involved, he could be accused of withholding information.

    Now, Brady’s legal team knows which texts were exchanged—or at least which ones Wells deemed “relevant to the case” as they are the ones that were included in the report. Now Brady’s team just has to match up Brady’s side of those texts. He can cooperate without providing any new information—whether or not there is to be had.

    If there are other exchanges relevant to the case which Wells has from others, but did not include in the report, their absence from the report allows Brady’s team to claim that they aren’t relevant—only the texts in the report are relevant.

    And, since those texts are already made public, there are no concerns with privacy.

    This will allow Goodell to finally claim Brady cooperated more fully, and therefore allow Goodell to reduce the suspension. How much? Not sure. But the only new information from Brady’s phone will be what Wells already has. Not new information—but new from Brady.

  185. I don’t see how Brady can turn over that information. He made it clear why he wouldn’t turn it over. How will it look for him to go against the union? He has boxed himself in on this issue.

  186. Brady is not boxed in by the phone issue.

    Both, Goodell & Brady are boxed in, but for different reasons.

    Kraft partially boxed Brady in when he capitulated to GoodelL & 31 Owners.
    Brady is facing some major Decisions. Boxed in, if he wants to stay in the good grace of Kraft & BB.

    Goodell is boxed in by his own corrupt doings.
    Goodell’s ONLY way out of this is for Brady to capitulate.

    If Brady takes this to U.S. Courts, Goodell is finished. The evidence of slander and violations commited by Goodell as Commish are overwhelming and will be fully exposed in the Courts. You cannot see it now because you are blind by feeding off the news media and from the hand of Goodell.

    Tom’s Lawyers know the Law and the many violations committed by Goodell/NFL/Well$.

    Question is – How does Tom play this out?

  187. Is there something in the water in Boston that make Patriot fans so delusional? I haven’t seen so much willful ignorance since Obama’s second election.

  188. Solo681

    I suspect delusion is over taking you on this issue, or maybe it’s your naivete. You act as though Brady and the Pats are the only ones with good lawyers.

    You may need to study up a little on disagreements between employers and employees when there is a union and a collectively bargained work agreement. Courts do not like to get involved in these disputes. And, as I said before, the issue will be TB’s willingness (or lack thereof) to cooperate by providing his phone. That is the issue. You can relax a little on your incessant ramblings above. The CBA negotiated and accepted by the Union membership states players will cooperate. He did not, in the opinion of the investigator and the commissioner. You want to bet a few high priced labor attorneys are on the NFL’s payroll to help guide them all through this process?

    I am curious what is the evidence that only you are able to see that indicts the commissioner? I can hardly wait to read that.

  189. This is already exhausted. Boston thinks he’s innocent, everybody else thinks he’s guilty. A 4 game suspension won’t change that.

  190. all these words from pats fans, and not one logical reason for goodell to want to hurt brady. boston, you really need to stop and ask this one simple question to yourself… how does indicting brady help goodell?

    the answer? it doesn’t. it hurts him and the league. this is what kraft saw and why he caved.

    there is just no getting around that one simple point, so your “out to get us” rants look very unintelligent, short-sighted and immature.

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