Is Cam Newton deal the floor or ceiling for Russell Wilson?

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Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson continues to say nothing publicly about his negotiations with the team on a new deal. Privately, the big question in the aftermath of Cam Newton’s five-year, $103.8 million extension becomes whether the Newton package will set the floor or the ceiling for Wilson’s contract.

Although Wilson is due to make roughly 10 percent of what Newton was scheduled to earn in 2015, they had identical leverage prior to Tuesday; both were one season away from free agency, and both of their teams were facing the question of whether to sign the quarterback to a long-term deal now, whether to wait, and ultimately whether to use the non-exclusive or exclusive franchise tag to keep the quarterback in place for another year.

It doesn’t matter that Wilson was a third-round pick and the Panthers plucked Newton at No. 1 overal. It doesn’t matter that Newton has played four years and Wilson has played only three. Both were 16 regular-season games away from activating the franchise-tag launch code, which becomes the ultimate barometer for leveraging a huge deal.

Two years ago, the Ravens faced that dilemma with quarterback Joe Flacco. Instead of risking a team like the Browns signing Flacco to an offer sheet and gladly giving up a pair of first-round pick under the non-exclusive version of the franchise tag or starting down a path that gets very expensive in a three-year window under the exclusive version of the tag, the Ravens opted to give Flacco $100,000 more annually than the $20 million per year deal quarterback Drew Brees squeezed from the Saints the prior summer.

The Seahawks will nevertheless call the Newton deal the ceiling for Wilson. But Wilson will regard it as the floor. Especially since Wilson’s goal will be to set the bar not only higher than Newton but also higher than Aaron Rodgers, the current leader in “new money” average with $22 million annually.

If, as agent Mark Rodgers recently explained, Wilson is ready to play out the final year of his rookie contract, that necessarily will position Wilson to do better than Newton, if Wilson gets through the coming season physically unscathed. Newton traded a final season of injury risk for a new deal now; if Wilson carries that burden until his current contract expires, he’ll have more leverage than Newton — and thus Wilson will be in position to get more money.

The challenge for the Seahawks becomes persuading Wilson to manifest his “Go Hawks!” tendency by taking less money in order to allow the franchise to put better players around its franchise quarterback. Newton’s deal makes that even more challenging, especially since the contract was negotiated by Bus Cook, who previously represented Russell Wilson.

With Newton and his two straight playoff appearances going first, Wilson and his two straight Super Bowl appearances will surely be motivated to eclipse Newton. And if the Seahawks won’t do it, Wilson will wait another year to get the compensation he believes he deserves.

Especially since he’s already been waiting for three years to get paid.

132 responses to “Is Cam Newton deal the floor or ceiling for Russell Wilson?

  1. This is all so mind-boggling. The difference between Wilson and the actual “elite” QB’s has so much to do with the talent around them. Only Roethlisberger & Flacco have had similar situations where they had a good/great defense with a formidable running game. Rodgers, Brady & Brees have carried their teams for entire seasons. The 2011 Packers defense was statistically the worse defense anyone has ever seen and you probably couldn’t even name the RB’s that year, yet they were 15-1 because of Aaron Rodgers.

    The idea that Russell Wilson should be paid like the the top three because his team was in the Super Bowl the last two years (while ignoring what he looked like on tape) seems crazy. He’s better than Jay Cutler/Alex Smith, but he’s not as good as Flacco/Roethlisberger and arguably even Newton (and whatever Luck’s deal ends up being with likely set the new high-water mark). But if he’s asking for Rodgers/Brady/Brees type of money, that’s insane and the Seahawks would be insane to give him that money. And watch what happens to the team when the cap hits start to add up.

  2. What a silly hold out tactic.
    Due 1.35 million.
    Franchised next year 24.5 million.
    Franchised in 2017 for 26.5 million.
    Or sign the offer now of 22 million a year.
    Over next three years he can make 66 million or hold out , get tagged and make 53 million.
    His agent doesn’t have leverage. So if this about money he should sign 

  3. “…that necessarily will position Wilson to do better than Newton, if Wilson gets through the coming season physically unscathed.”

    This just isn’t true. If their defense and running game regress (and they should – not an insult, just difficult to play at that high a level for a long time), people should realize that RW is a competent – not elite – QB. Most TD’s/yr: 26, most yards/yr: 3,475. If you combined them to create his greatest passing year, those stats were good enough for 15th and 14th in the league last year. Obviously QB play goes beyond stats, but we all know that team has had success because of defense and Beast Mode. Paying your QB top of the league money just because he was a part – and not the most important part – of a super bowl winning team is foolish (ahem, Baltimore).

  4. It should be the floor, but is likely to be the ceiling. Seattle’s hesitance has placed the ball into their court. Signing Wilson before Cam, may have saved them a few dollars, but as the clock ticks, prices go up, not down.

    The only leverage they have left, is to appeal to Russell’s sense of family built up over 3 years on the job. He’s been invaluable to an “invisible franchise” and should cash in without penny pinching efforts by Schneider.

    The elephant in the room is the fact that Wilson’s former agent, is Cam’s agent. Noway can Wilson’s current agent score less than his old agent. That would look pretty bad.

  5. Where this trend is all leading is that teams are going to have to decide on one of two strategies:

    1) Pay a ridiculous percentage of their cap to acquire/keep a decent (not even “franchise” caliber) QB and skimp practically everywhere else, OR

    2) Go with a 2nd tier QB and do everything possible to make up for his deficiencies at every other position.

    And no, raising the cap isn’t going to help at all. It’s not the cap number per se that’s out of whack, it’s the allocations.

  6. I thought Wilson was going to play for nothing so Seattle could keep signing free agents.

  7. how could that be anything but the floor? Wilson has been to two superbowls and and won one. How many has Cam been to?

  8. Even though I think Wilson’s talent is inflated by an amazing supporting cast he’s still a rising star at QB and ultimately, there’s no way the dude with a ring makes less

  9. Probably a good idea for Wilson to stay out of the batters box until he gets something signed.

  10. As someone who appreciates both of these quarterbacks (and has watched a lot of their games), I think Wilson should be paid significantly more than Newton. Cam has a much higher ceiling than Russell (superior arm strength, height, and body strength), but Cam has also been an underachiever so far. He may become SO much better than he is now. To Wilson’s credit, he hasn’t hit his own ceiling yet and continues to show consistent growth. Already owning one of the most accurate deep balls in the NFL, Wilson continues to move forward in his understanding of the game.

    – Titans Fan in Charlotte

  11. Well a SB win should count for some $ on top of Cam’s deal. Not seeing what Cam has done to date to warrent such an outlay by the Panthers. However, Neither are top 5 QBs in the league.

  12. It’s a brand new hard wood floor. This is how it worked. Out of Wilson and Newton, whoever inked the page first would set the floor. Everyone knew that Andrew Luck is going to be the ceiling out of the three. His talent and film dictates that.

  13. Wilson is a proven winner with consecutive NFC championships and as Super Bowl ring. Yes, he plays on a better team than Newton, but what precisely has Newton done to suggest he’s as good as Wilson

    Despite his ill-fated toss that cost his team a second consecutive Super Bowl, Wilson’s the right fit for Seattle, and runs that offense better than Newton runs the Carolina offense. The Newton contract is a gamble, especially at that price; there are doubts about whether Newton can get better. There are no doubts about how good Wilson is, at least when he’s running the Seahawk offense.

  14. The Seahawks win games in this order:

    1. Defense
    2. Marshawn Lynch
    3. Russel Wilson

  15. Gotta be the floor. It’s a results league and that dude gets W’s. And, he’s been doing it without any serious threats at WR or TE. Basically, just him, the o-line and Lynch. I’d say place him at 21 million…right between Cam and Rodgers.

  16. just another overpaid QB raising the price for everyone else. has a near $20 million QB won a SB yet? the answer is no.

  17. Nothing against Cam Newton, who I think has a lot of potential, but Wilson has “it”. Hard to define; and only showing up in a few QBs every generation, you hold onto it as long as you can or your franchise will regret it forever. The Seahawks have to know this.

  18. Still people want to count down Wilson. Do I think he is worth Rodgers style money? Hell no, I don’t think Rodgers is worth Rodgers style money. QBs are all over paid. That being said, if that is the market value then it is what it is. Saying that Wilson is not even as good as Newton is a total joke. Learn the game people or at least watch more than one game. I hear oh he looked bad on tape in the championship game. Do you know how dumb that sounds? Everyone has bad games. People really forget that seattle was a subpar team before Wilson showed up and guess what, most of that defense was there and so was Lynch. So then…..whats the excuse of how he does not compare to other QBs? Teir 2 QB? You are smoking crack….

  19. Luck 30 million and 120 up front. Regardless, this is the trajectory and who pays, the fans thru tickets, merchandise and TV, be it streaming, cable or Satellite to food and products where the NFL contracts with companies to be a sponsor. The over the air TV will pay additional billions too, hence higher and higher TV cost except in big cities where over the air is free. Also your tax dollars are wasted thru phony tributes to us the troops. On and on and you the working class blue collar workers will see your cost go up even if you don’t watch sports. I’m cutting the cord. Billion dollar owners and half a billion dollar QBs. Where does tis stop.

  20. The Seahawks win games in this order:

    1. Defense
    2. Marshawn Lynch
    4. Defense
    5. Special Teams
    6. Defense
    … oh and …
    7. Russel Wilson

    I hope they pay him a fortune. Then let’s see how they do. This is their last year of relevance. Enjoy it Seattle fans.

  21. Both of these guys are average quarterbacks who have won some games for different reasons.
    Wilson has had arguably the best running game in the NFL over his short career and clearly the best defense over this span. His stars are middle of the pack and is clearly ill equipped to lead a team by himself. Watch what happens once Marshawn hits the wall and that defense loses players via free agency or cap casualties. Prediction: Wilson has a . 500 record over the next 5 years
    Cam has had the benefit if an amazing defense and a pathetically weak division over his four years. He’s inconsistent and a petulant little child when things don’t go his way. He’s been a .500 QB during his career and there are no signs that point to this changing any time soon.
    Good luck Carolina and Seattle. Tie yourselves to these guys for 20 plus per year and you can say hello to the bottom half of your divisions.

  22. Seattle is a QBs dream. Let Wilson play for the Browns and we’ll see good he is. Johnny Manziel might thrive in Seattle. On the field, I see a lot of similarities.

  23. How many teams would give up a pair of 1st round picks for Newton? How many would for Russell?

    It’s the floor, but I doubt that Russell signs for more than Rodgers (unless it’s dummy money that everyone knows he won’t collect).

  24. uwsptke says:
    Jun 3, 2015 9:36 AM
    This is all so mind-boggling. The difference between Wilson and the actual “elite” QB’s has so much to do with the talent around them. Only Roethlisberger & Flacco have had similar situations where they had a good/great defense with a formidable running game. Rodgers, Brady & Brees have carried their teams for entire seasons. The 2011 Packers defense was statistically the worse defense anyone has ever seen and you probably couldn’t even name the RB’s that year, yet they were 15-1 because of Aaron Rodgers.

    The idea that Russell Wilson should be paid like the the top three because his team was in the Super Bowl the last two years (while ignoring what he looked like on tape) seems crazy. He’s better than Jay Cutler/Alex Smith, but he’s not as good as Flacco/Roethlisberger and arguably even Newton (and whatever Luck’s deal ends up being with likely set the new high-water mark). But if he’s asking for Rodgers/Brady/Brees type of money, that’s insane and the Seahawks would be insane to give him that money. And watch what happens to the team when the cap hits start to add up.
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    Patriots scoring defense rankings during their Super Bowl wins with Brady:

    2001: Ranked sixth in the NFL allowing 17 points a game.

    2003: Ranked first in the NFL allowing 14.9 points a game.

    2004: Tied for second in the NFL allowing 16.2 points a game.

    2014: Ranked eighth in the NFL allowing 19.2 points a game.

    Packers scoring defense during their Super Bowl win with Rodgers:

    2010: Ranked second in the NFL allowing 15 points per game.

    Steelers scoring defenses during their Super Bowl wins with Roethlisberger:

    2005: Ranked third in the NFL allowing 16.1 points per game.

    2008: Ranked first in the NFL allowing 13.9 points per game.

    Ravens scoring defense during their 2012 Super Bowl run with Flacco ranked 13th in the NFL allowing 21.5 points per game.

    Flacco’s defense allowed more points during the his SB in 2012 season run than Brady, Rodgers and Roethlisberger did.

  25. These QB contracts are getting insane. It drove me nuts as a Saints fan that we had to devote so much cap space to Brees(hopefully his next extension will cost less at 36 years old ala Tom Brady’s) but he’s going to look like a steal compared to the ungodly money Wilson and Luck will get.

  26. Wilson would be DUMB to risk playing this year for peanuts when the lottery is waiting for him. If he does, he’d be even DUMBER not t audible out of every read option play called. If Seattle stupidly forces him to play, he should declare that he’s not signing in 2016 and just throw jump balls to graham all year.

  27. Wilson is at best an adequate QB that plays on a team with a great defense and good running game. Sort of like Phil Simms with the Giants in the mid to late 80’s.

    As far as Cam Newton, the quality he lacks is touch on his passes. He’s too mechanical, throws short passes too hard and on a downward trajectory. He’d be great if not for that.

  28. Its hard to overpay a qb. If youve ever not had a good one, its crippling. Id rather pay 22 mill to a qb and over pay by 7 mill because you cant make up his importance with other positions.

  29. pixelito,
    You are wrong.

    Defense always has been letting us down in close games (Super Bowl , Divisional Game VS Falcons) despite being the number one scoring defense. I have to say I have no confidence in Seahawks defense that they could hold the lead (barring one game NFC Championship VS SF).

    Marshawn Lynch is a work horse, I give you that. He is a cancer in the locker room (Carroll & him don’t even speak) and cause so many distractions with his actions. He is at best average and without Russell I doubt he will be successful as he is with Russell.

    pixelito says:
    Jun 3, 2015 9:52 AM

    The Seahawks win games in this order:

    1. Defense
    2. Marshawn Lynch
    3. Russel Wilson

  30. I guess you should think before you open your mouth then. Their defense is locked in for the long haul. If you are saying they win because of defense, your statement lacks logic. Good to know you like to just run your mouth though. Seattle being a .500 team for the next 5 years, that is not only ignorant but completely laughable. Good luck with the hate though, wishing it so does not bring everything down to your pea brain level.

  31. Schneider is NOT an idiot, he will NOT over-pay for a QB. Worst case is they franchise Wilson for 2016 but by then they’ll have his successor ready to go. Wilson WILL be over-paid by someone, but not Seattle.

  32. What is the hate about…Does he or does he not win games? That’s all that should matter in this instance… I think Russell should be the highest paid QB period with the exception of Aaron Rodgers remember say what you want about him he’s been doing it (with all respect) with average receivers. I can only think of one other QB who has done it by the name of Tom Brady and even then he had a Moss or Welker, or Branch along the way… Marshawn may be the power but Russell is the Guiding force behind that leading them… Let them pay Russell… Let him be highest paid until they purposely overpay to dethrone him as such… Stop hating everyone if you were ink that position you would want the max deal as well… from the wise words of the great young philosopher JT Money… “The way you show me your love is by the way you pay me”… Indeed…

  33. I don’t think even the worst trolls on here dispute that Wilson is not a bad qb but he is not elite. It’s pretty simple really…teams are paying elite qb money for non elite qbs (Dalton,Tannehill etc). If Wilson doesn’t budge then Schneider really has no leverage based on these other salaries.

  34. Absolutely the floor. I’m not a Seahacks [sic] or Russell Wilson fan, per se, but if the Cam-rolina Panthers pay “Cam” that kind of money for never having even gotten as far as garnering a berth in a Super Bowl, much less winning one, then Wilson certainly deserves top dollar for having won a Super Bowl and for having assisted his team in playing in back-to-back Super Bowls. And now, with the addition of Jimmy Graham to the roster, I see no reason why the Seahacks [sic] cannot return for a three-in-a-row Super Bowl berth.

  35. Look at last years playoff teams; outside of Arizona (injuries) every team had a least a top 15 QB (or close) and the top 4 seeds have Brady, Peyton, AA Ron and Wilson. The idea of letting Wilson walk is crazy; the Colts will never let Luck walk but will have him play out his current contract. The Hawks don’t want to break the bank but what happens without him? They are a championship contender with him and a question mark without him and if they where serious about letting him walk then they would have done something this year in the draft rather than wait till next year. Now if they don’t get anywhere they can franchise him and address the QB position next year but still to any fan of a team that has struggled at the most important position on the field it still looks crazy.

  36. I think RW is better than Cam. But I think Cam is overpaid & I think RW will wind up overpaid. Honestly, all QBs are overpaid. That’s why there’s this train of thought that to win, you must draft a stud QB & win while you still have him on a relatively cheap deal. What big money QB has won a SB lately? None of them were paid yet when they won.

  37. Reading these post you would think they were talking about Tom Brady… With a great defense… and a productive backfield… but we do not come at Brady like that do we??? SMH… Many ways to one goal is how I see it… It just looks similar to me in the ways that Brady and Wilson do it, its just that Russell has a few better working pieces then Brady… Indeed…

  38. The fear on here is palpable.

    Let me see if I understand.

    Wilson is mediocre and the Hawks win with rushing and defense with Wilson as a passenger…

    AND

    if the Hawks don’t sign him they’re screwed because you can’t win without a QB.

    Does that about sum it up?

    Question – who was better through their first three years in the league based on QB rating (we’ll exclude his rushing yards, wins, SBs just for fun)…

    A. Wilson
    B. Luck
    C. Rogers
    D. Brady
    E. Manning
    F. Montana

    That’s right, it’s Wilson.

  39. I hope a few more QB deals like this get done before this time next year. Because then Jay Cutler’s contract will look like a bargain and the Bears can unload him in a trade.

  40. Cam Newton took over a team that was 1-15 the year before he arrived. That has to be acknowledged when looking at his record.

  41. Remember when Wilson threw four interceptions against the Packers, including a backbreaker with five minutes left, and they still won the game?

    That was awesome.

  42. Is it possible that we could be moving towards a point in the NFL where, unless you have a truly elite, franchise QB (Rodgers, Brady, Brees, etc), it becomes a good idea to treat the QB position like an RB and replace them every few years when their contracts are up, thereby keeping a low cap hit at the position and a highly talented roster at all other positions? It seems like these mega contracts given to average QBs (looking at you Miami, Cinci, SF, Carolina, and soon Seattle) will do much more to hurt the team’s performance than help it. Seattle will just become another team that generally hovers around 8-8 once Wilson gets this new deal because they will have to sacrifice parts of the roster and Wilson just isn’t good enough to make up for it.

  43. Seattle is a QBs dream. Let Wilson play for the Browns and we’ll see good he is. Johnny Manziel might thrive in Seattle. On the field, I see a lot of similarities.
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    Yeah put Brees, Brady or Rodgers on that Seattle team with that running game and that defense and its annual championships every year!

  44. Are we talking about the same Russell Wilson that threw 4 picks in the NFCCG and then another in the final seconds of the superbowl?

    The same guy that has managed the team with the number one running game and a number one defense (historic) for the past two years? But this doesn’t make it easier to put up passer rating stats or win games, right?

    Sure, makes sense that he should be pay this guy as much as QB’s that carry their team.

    What a joke. I’ll say it again. TYROD TAYLOR WOULD HAVE A RING IF HE STARTED IN SEATTLE THE PAST THREE YEARS.

  45. If you want to get an honest and informed opinion about Russell Wilson, just ask a 49’er fan. They hate him, but they respect (and fear) the kid in a big way.

  46. As they continue to develop, I think they will both be top 10 QB’s for years to come. These guys are still young and have yet to hit their prime. But, if I was a GM starting a new franchise and had my choice of Newton or Wilson to be my QB, I would take Newton.

  47. Do you break the bank (cap room) for a QB or do you leave room to surround him with quality players rather than scrubs and draft picks?

  48. coldwater32301 says:
    Jun 3, 2015 10:33 AM
    Reading these post you would think they were talking about Tom Brady… With a great defense… and a productive backfield… but we do not come at Brady like that do we??? SMH… Many ways to one goal is how I see it… It just looks similar to me in the ways that Brady and Wilson do it, its just that Russell has a few better working pieces then Brady… Indeed…

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    Take a look at Brady’s compensation. He does not demand to be the highest paid QB in the league. In fact he has restructured his deal numerous times to free up cash to sign other players. Let’s see if Wilson will do the same.

  49. I don’t know. He seems more of a passenger on a great team than a great leader.
    —————–

    I’m always amazed to see how people view things when looking at it from “30,000 feet”. If you were on the ground floor, watching the things we see every day, you wouldn’t have even thought that sentence, let alone type it out.

  50. pixelito says:
    Jun 3, 2015 9:52 AM

    The Seahawks win games in this order:

    1. Defense
    2. Marshawn Lynch
    3. Russel Wilson

    ———————————–

    I agree but that’s not exactly a knock on Wilson. The defense is possibly the best since the Ravens of 2000. Marshawn Lynch is the best RB in football. Russell Wilson is a flat out game changer and maybe the best leader in sports. The Texans Rangers don’t bring him around to hit home runs.

  51. The Hawks HAVE TO pay Wilson, period! When Ryan Tannehill gets a contract worth $95 million and hasn’t won a damn thing; what kind of contract do you think Russel Wilson deserves? And if you think he doesn’t deserve it then blame Miami, THEY set the bar NOT Carolina.

  52. In the years before Seattle drafted Russell Wilson how exactly were the Seahawks doing? Where they making it to superbowls? How was their QB production?

    You guys had Matt Hasselbeck who was at the end of a serviceable but not great career and regressing badly, you then had Seneca Wallace and Charlie Whitehurst, and then you spent a fortune trading for and signing Matt Flynn base off of one fluke game……and Flynn couldn’t even beat out a relatively unknown 3rd round QB named Russell Wilson. Never ever started a game for Seattle.

    If you guys think it’s this easy obtaining a good bordeline great QB then let Russell walk and see how far your defense and running game takes you with incompetent QB play. You guys will simply be last year’s version of Arizona after Palmer got hurt.

  53. Russell Wilson is who should have gotten the deal. All Newton has proved is that he is inconsistent. Bad signing for Carolina

  54. I believe Cam is more gifted, physically, while Wilson is more cerebral, and plays on a far superior team. That means that the Panthers have to lean a lot more on Cam for each victory.

    If the Seahawks are offering Wilson anywhere near the $20 million mark, he should take it and squeeze the Hawks for other benefits, such as more guaranteed or up-front money, longer terms, no-trade clause, endorsements, business deals, or even directing team contributions to his most-favored charities, scholarships, etc.

    At this point, hopefully Russell Wilson is thinking about life after football. Think like Michael Jordan!

  55. It’s time for the tightwad Seahawks to pony up the $$$.

    Just think, if they don’t, maybe they pick up Johnny Manziel as their next quarterback.

    Tebow might be in their future as well.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!

  56. Russell Wilson is a system QB. If his defense is terrible Wilson doesn’t have the same success. He can’t in my opinion put a team on his back like Brady.

    Newton on the other hand can turn a loss into a win more easily.

    That said you pay Wilson for his 2 in a row SB’s.

    Wilson should get more.

  57. The four letter network ranks Wilson at 12 & Newton at 16 for 2014. Add in the SB win and B2B Superbowl appearances, I am guessing Wilson will get more than Newton.

    The better question is, “How does this affect the salaries of legit Top 5 Qbs?” Very soon no one will be able to afford top-5 talent at the QB position if the 10-15th ranked QBs are getting this kind of money.

  58. If Wilson was 6′ 5″ he’d have his $22M per year already…Super Bowls don’t matter apparently, just size and potential.

  59. Low supply, high demand….Hence, non-SuperStar QBs get $100M + and $60M guaranteed. Amazing.

    In turn, Wilson gets $120M for 5 years and $60M guaranteed or more.

    In 2019, Rodgers will get even more.

  60. Problem here is that they are too many fans from teams who haven’t won squat weighing in on what makes a franchise qb. Take it from me… Wilson will be worth every penny. The dude is a gamer and being a gamer counts more than any QBR you can throw at me.

  61. ninerfan81 says:
    Jun 3, 2015 11:42 AM
    If Wilson was 6′ 5″ he’d have his $22M per year already…Super Bowls don’t matter apparently, just size and potential.

    ___

    You just described the QB in Santa Clara…no Super Bowls but has size and lots of potential and vastly over paid.

  62. Newton is a more talented player than Wilson and will probably have greater long term success. Wilson is not a bad player but he landed in an incredibly favorable situation. If Newton or Griffin had landed in that situation everyone would be talking about how great of leaders and winners they were. For all of Wilson’s team success, he has probably nearly peaked out as a player. You are never going to be an elite passer if you can’t see the field from the pocket.

  63. I think Wilson’s agent should be fired if he allows his client to step onto the field without a huge new deal. There is too much injury risk involved. It’s time for the Seahawks to pay the man!

  64. So let me get this right…

    According to most Seahawk fans..

    The Seahawks have handled every other player’s contract in their core group correctly but not giving Wilson what he is currently asking for is a big mistake? The most important position on any team, QB?

    There is a reason they’re comfortable with Jackson as their back-up.. They know what they have in him as a QB and the core of that team. Limiting his guaranteed money is probably the right answer. He’s just not that good.

  65. In order to restructure you have to at least at some point in time make above value dollars… yes Brady restructured however Brady did make Bank before hand in order to say let me take less… lets not forget Brady got paid too now and not to mention he did it after how many years of not going to the Superbowl… Lets look at it in its entirety now… Indeed…

  66. It’s the latest floor since the Tannehill deal. No ifs, ands or buts.

    In other news, I’m surprised Broncos fans are still so butt-hurt over that smack-down. Move on.

  67. Such an enjoyably ignorant bunch of comments here.

    A mix of jealousy and hate. Making definitive comments without the facts or perspective.

    Real Seahawks fans and more importantly, the Seahawks organization knows very well how valuable rw is and will EVENTUALLY pay him accordingly. There is no hurry and people talking about disrespecting Wilson by waiting are clueless.

    The Seahawks front office and ownership is one of the best if not the best in football and actually conducting the negotiations yet you, who knows nothing know better?

    Yes, the defense is great. Get used to it, they are all signed long-term. Not going anywhere once Wagner is signed that is it. People saying “when Russell signs they can’t afford the defense” don’t get it. That is already locked up.

    Fun reading the comments, gets me fired up for the season.

  68. “Wilson has had arguably the best running game in the NFL over his short career”

    “Yeah put Brees, Brady or Rodgers on that Seattle team with that running game and that defense and its annual championships every year!”

    Do you guys realize that the 2nd leading rusher for the Seahawks is Russell Wilson? He had more rushing yards that some teams top RB. His combination of rushing and passing yards put him at the level of any QB in the league. No other QB in the league could survive being the Seahawks QB, let alone flourish at it like Russell does.

    The Seahawks defense and running game keeps the games close so the Seahawks never get blown out but Russell Wilson is the amazing and dynamic player who pulls out the wins. The most wins and Superbowls in his 1st 3 years than any QB in the history of the game.

    How come nobody ever holds it against Joe Montana for how great his 49ers team was?

  69. Ill take Cam any day! Wilson will flame out as soon as the Seagags start to lose it which will be this year. Niners/Panthers in NFC championship game!!!! CAM or KAP will be MVP this year and little Russell might start playing baseball again!

  70. Andy Dalton CAREER Statistics (Four NFL Seasons):

    99 td – 66 int – 19 fumbles
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    Cam Newton CAREER Statistics (Four NFL Seasons):

    82 td – 54 int – 30 fumbles

  71. Everyone is blinded by the worship of QBs when it comes to Wilson.

    Everyone is acting like he should be paid $200 mil because of what he’s done, when it’s really what the team has done.

    Ask yourself this: how many of these highly paid QBs are the distance 3rd reason why their team is successful as Wilson is? (D a solid #1 reason, Lynch #2)

    Sure, they’ll eventually agree on a deal, because that’s how the league is. No team is going to ditch a QB for the unknown. But that doesn’t mean he is deserving.

    It’s not the way the league operates these days, but if he wants $20 + mil a year I would find a veteran, game manager for $5 mil and invest the rest in more important positions for the Seahawks scheme.

    It’s blasphemy to say about the holy Russell Wilson and his perfect smile and upbeat attitude…but…he’s really just a game manager with legs.

  72. Thank you for explaining the logic behind the Ravens decision regarding Flacco. A lot of fools simply don’t get how hard it is to find a durable, reliable franchise QB.

  73. Any pretending like RW’s contract can’t hurt the Seahawks is delusional at best.

    Cam’s hit bump is 7 mil and then a couple more. RW’s is going to skyrocket from 1 mil to almost 20… That’s 2-3 probowlers or 5-6 starters.

    This is why you can’t build long-term on late draft home runs like RW. Their 2nd contracts are going to kill you.

  74. Cam has had the benefit if an amazing defense and a pathetically weak division over his four years
    —————————————–
    New Orleans and Atlanta have been top ten teams over the last four years, last season was an outlier as they both took a hit. The NFC South did play the AFC North last season and that helps the degree of difficulty.

    I can think of at least 10 games that Newton had won in the waning minutes of the game that were lost by “an amazing defense”.

  75. “Ask yourself this: how many of these highly paid QBs are the distance 3rd reason why their team is successful as Wilson is? (D a solid #1 reason, Lynch #2)”

    That great Seahawks defense and Marshawn Lynch had the Seahawks at 7-9 in the 2 seasons prior to Russell Wilson’s arrival. Not sure your “distant 3rd” assessment is as accurate as you think it is. A good defense and running game will get you a good .500 team. You need a great QB to take you over the top.

  76. I definitely think it will be the floor. There’s a mentality of one-upping the last offer. Probably stems from a mix of arrogant agents and player egos, but we see it all the time. Whether D. Thomas, Bryant, J. Jones, or AJ Green get their contracts first, the others will be sure to want to top it. Probably why teams wait to sign, to see what other teams are offering.

  77. PANTERS!!!! Kaep was the last guy they thought had a higher ceiling than Russell Wilson, too.

  78. “That great Seahawks defense and Marshawn Lynch had the Seahawks at 7-9 in the 2 seasons prior to Russell Wilson’s arrival. Not sure your “distant 3rd” assessment is as accurate as you think it is. A good defense and running game will get you a good .500 team. You need a great QB to take you over the top.”

    Please. The D on the 7-9 team wasn’t nearly as good as it is now. Your argument would be valid if you had virtually the same team pre-Wilson and since his arrival, but it’s not.

    Wilson is the 3rd facet of the team, you’re blindly worshiping QBs if you believe otherwise. The D is most important, the running game second. You can’t say that about the other franchise QBs out there making 20 mil

  79. bassplucker says:
    Jun 3, 2015 9:40 AM
    Where this trend is all leading is that teams are going to have to decide on one of two strategies:

    1) Pay a ridiculous percentage of their cap to acquire/keep a decent (not even “franchise” caliber) QB and skimp practically everywhere else, OR

    2) Go with a 2nd tier QB and do everything possible to make up for his deficiencies at every other position.

    And no, raising the cap isn’t going to help at all. It’s not the cap number per se that’s out of whack, it’s the allocations.

    ———————————————-
    there are two more options:

    3) Draft a great QB and capitalize on the rookie pay scale

    4) Clone Tom Brady

  80. Give Cam a team that loaded and he doesn’t have a 4-5 interception game against the packer’s “defense”.

    Give Wilson a team as garbage as the Panthers and they’re selecting his replacement in the next draft.

  81. Think Cam is overpaid, much like many of the QBs in the NFL……….however, it is hard to see the Wilson contract would not be using Cam’s new contract as a bench mark that has to be beaten……..even the Seattle Front Office has said so…….

  82. just because the panthers, dolphins ,bears and bengals are stupid to pay their mediocre qb’s elite money doesn’t mean the seahawks have to be stupid too. it doesn’t matter if cam got paid 30 mil a year, the seahawks have a set price at 20 mil per year for 4 years. russell wilson can take it and play for a great team or get traded to the browns and make 22 mil per year.

  83. seatownballers says:
    Jun 3, 2015 9:39 AM

    What a silly hold out tactic.
    Due 1.35 million.
    Franchised next year 24.5 million.
    Franchised in 2017 for 26.5 million.
    Or sign the offer now of 22 million a year.
    Over next three years he can make 66 million or hold out , get tagged and make 53 million.
    His agent doesn’t have leverage. So if this about money he should sign

    hey Seatown the only problem with this is if they go the tag route it will make your cap situation very difficult. The agent knows this so the Wilson camp does have more leverage than you are considering.

  84. tennesseeoilers says:
    Jun 3, 2015 10:58 AM

    If you want to get an honest and informed opinion about Russell Wilson, just ask a 49’er fan. They hate him, but they respect (and fear) the kid in a big way.

    WRONG…… we respect him, but do not fear him. I can assure you we are enjoying all of this discourse while Schnider and CO. figure out what to do with their little golden boy.

  85. See my prior comments about JS being a genius and the other GMs being goofballs.

  86. Seagags Cam will take care of you in October and then again in the playoff. You’re run is over. Sorry you spit up that last trophy run!

  87. realitycheckbaby says:
    Jun 3, 2015 10:33 AM

    The fear on here is palpable.

    Let me see if I understand.

    Wilson is mediocre and the Hawks win with rushing and defense with Wilson as a passenger…

    AND

    if the Hawks don’t sign him they’re screwed because you can’t win without a QB.

    Does that about sum it up?

    Question – who was better through their first three years in the league based on QB rating (we’ll exclude his rushing yards, wins, SBs just for fun)…

    A. Wilson
    B. Luck
    C. Rogers
    D. Brady
    E. Manning
    F. Montana

    That’s right, it’s Wilson

    Interesting – no answers to this very insightful, researched and FACTUAL question.

    And many on here go on to say that the Hawks have terrible receivers.

    It’s like arguing with Pats fans who can’t explain their miraculous 50% fumble cut so they spew this and that about style, and Belicheat and everything.

    SHOW ME THE FACTS.

    The defense and rushing game

    Didn’t

    Throw

    One

    Pass

    But I’ll take it further.

    EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL would trade their QB for Seattle except GB and Indy.

    You don’t think the Pats or Denver would love to have the best young QB in the game with their QBs having one foot in retirement?

    Who else?

  88. Where this trend is all leading is that teams are going to have to decide on one of two strategies:

    1) Pay a ridiculous percentage of their cap to acquire/keep a decent (not even “franchise” caliber) QB and skimp practically everywhere else, OR

    _________________________________

    The current contracts for the top tier Qbs in the league is right around 12 to 14% of the overall salary cap, which is very similar to what it has been throughout the salary cap age. Top tier players are getting close to the same amount of the cap as they always have. This trade off has always been there. Teams with the most elite of the elite players have to work a little harder to keep under the cap.

  89. There is a uniqueness about Russell Wilson that many of you just do not get. You come on all these football blogs day after day, week after week, month and month to proclaim that Wilson is not elite, that he is nothing more than a game manager, and that the Seahawks only win because of their great defense and their running game. Not sure why you keep doing it because we get it.

    Seahawks fans know better. We’ve seen the amazing reads, and fakes, and passes, and runs. All the great things he does to win games that don’t show up on the stat sheets but blow your mind when you actually sit and watch the games.

    It is only a matter of when not if the Seahawks sign Russell Wilson to a new deal. The negotiations and conversations are ongoing. Most Seahawks fans are not concerned at all. We know it will all get worked out when the time is right.

    Most of the Seahawks core is already signed long term. When Wilson and Wagner get theirs done that will be just about everyone. Sorry haters, the Seahawks are going to be competing for championships for quite a few more years. They are not going anywhere.

  90. Cam will take care of you in October…

    What, is he bringing pumpkin pie for the team? He’s had 3 chances in Charlotte and has been unable to get the job done…and that’s not counting the Divisional Playoff. Panters are chokers, no matter the excuses you make.

  91. “EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL would trade their QB for Seattle except GB and Indy.”

    For 900k…absolutely.

    For 20 mil? You can fill a LOT of holes with an extra 20 mil…

    Let’s see what RW can do when the GM doesn’t have an extra 3-4 players’ worth of cap to play with.

  92. Russell Wilson is exhibit A on how people give way too much credit to QB’s. Don’t get me wrong, Wilson is good, but the Seahawks have an amazing team that makes the QB’s job easier. Cam Newton essentially carries the Panthers. He doesn’t have a Beast Mode, and their defense isn’t as consistently awesome as the Seahawks. If they traded places, I don’t think Wilson would be able to carry the Panthers as Cam has. So…Cam > Wilson.

  93. pantherpro says:
    Jun 3, 2015 2:15 PM
    Seagags Cam will take care of you in October and then again in the playoff. You’re run is over. Sorry you spit up that last trophy run!

    ___

    Just like Cam took care of the Seahawks in January ?? Oh right you forgot that Russell lit up the Panthers for 268 yards in the air and 3 TDs, while Cam the face of your Panthers sits on the bench with a towel over head. It must give you great confidence that your team has vastly overpaid for an overrated QB with a losing record in the regular and post season. Have fun rooting for your sub .500 QB for the next 5 years.

  94. theparadoxx82 says:
    Jun 3, 2015 3:19 PM

    “EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL would trade their QB for Seattle except GB and Indy.”

    For 900k…absolutely.

    For 20 mil? You can fill a LOT of holes with an extra 20 mil…

    Let’s see what RW can do when the GM doesn’t have an extra 3-4 players’ worth of cap to play with.

    That may be true but now you’re changing the discussion.

    If you’re saying having an elite QB is too expensive and a team is better off with one in the middle – that’s a legitimate argument.

    If you’re saying Wilson isn’t elite because it makes him expensive and hurts the team – that’s nonsensical.

    I say again, today, based on the talent of Wilson as a 3 year QB in the NFL, every team would trade their QB for him except GB and Indy.

  95. Quarterbacks are overpaid in the Nfl. It’s a ultimate TEAM sport. Russell is a great quarterback but no way he would take any of Carolina panther teams as far as Cam did with no recievers. Are wide receivers have made great catches on poorly thrown balls and Lynch has mad amazing runs as wilson has. But wilson shouldn’t be paid as if he has won by himself as Cam has. GO HAWKS.

  96. “That may be true but now you’re changing the discussion.”

    WHAT? The entire discussion is based on the value of a QB. Seattle’s ENTIRE scheme has been based on criminally underpaying their QB.

    Face it, RW can not single handedly elevate a team. And NO ONE has any clue what that team will look like when he was to carry a top cap hit.

  97. No you are changing the discussion.

    If winning is simply a matter of paying the QB less and adding move in other areas, why haven’t other teams with low paid QBs done better?

    Not every QB gets paid $20M.

  98. ninersapologist says:
    Jun 3, 2015 10:08 AM

    Cam has had the benefit if an amazing defense and a pathetically weak division over his four years. He’s inconsistent and a petulant little child when things don’t go his way. He’s been a .500 QB during his career and there are no signs that point to this changing any time soon.
    _____
    Welcome back, Mr. Van Winkle. Since you have been in a coma the past year and a half, let me update you on a few things.

    Yes, the Panthers had a great D in ’13. Last year, not as much, especially in the secondary, where we replaced most of the ’13 players with washed-up has-beens and rookies. We actually paid Thomas DeCoud money to go on the field, if you can imagine that.

    The immaturity/pouting has been dealt with. A few of his teammates really got onto him about that, and he got it and has greatly improved. And please don’t say anything about the towel. The towel has nothing whatsoever to do with his maturity and leadership skills. It’s just a damn towel, nothing more.

    A pathetically weak defense over 4 years? New Orleans had ONE bad year. Atlanta had just two. The division was only pathetic last year. It was very strong before that.

    There are no signs of him being over .500 any time soon? I’m going to write that off as you suffering from Cam Derangement Syndrome. You’re probably one of those people that believe because he stole a laptop when he was 18 that makes him evil for the rest of his life, and you hate evil people, so Cam must always be hated. The Panthers were 2-14 the year before Cam was drafted. His 4 season records are 6-10, 7-9, 12-4, then the step back to 7-8-1. There is plenty of reason to expect bigger things.

    The Cam-Russell comparisons don’t take something else into consideration. Russell wasn’t the benchmark in these negotiations. Matt Ryan was. Notice how Cam’s deal is just a little more than what Ryan got. And since all you geniuses on this site insist that if you haven’t won a Super Bowl, you haven’t won a damn thing, keep in mind that means Ryan hasn’t won a damn thing either.

  99. All NFL teams but 2 would trade for Wilson? Delusional. He’s nothing more than a complementary gm mgr and the least important piece of the puzzle for Seattle, by far. Very nice he has a high passer rating. You can keep his 2oo yrd and 1.5 TDs/gm. He does just enough not to hurt the team. Meanwhile, guys like Brady are passing for 3500-4000 yrds and 35 TDs. Brady’s next 3 yrs will blow Wilson’s next 3 away. You think the Ravens would trade Flacco(who I’m not a huge fan of) for Wilson? Not a chance. Roethlisberger, Stafford, Ryan? No way, He’s a good young QB, better than Newton IMO, but not even knoking on the door of elite status. They’ ll have to pay him because Dalton, Newton and Tannehill have set the market. They’re all about the same level, with Wilson maybe at the top.

  100. I guess my only concern if I were Wilson would be that he hasn’t made enough money to retire comfortably yet. A major injury and he’s out of the league. Cam had many millions more in his bank account and still didn’t risk this year. Good luck to Wilson, but it’s awfully tough to turn down some guaranteed money when you’re playing a sport like football.

  101. slickhawk says:
    Jun 3, 2015 3:45 PM
    Russell is a great quarterback but no way he would take any of Carolina panther teams as far as Cam did with no recievers.

    ___

    Are you for real slick, you have your own opinion I guess but lets not make Cam into something he is not…. a great QB. Russell Wilson has done more with less talented at WR/TE, this year that will change but the results won’t.

    Russell >>>>>>>>Cam its not even a debate

  102. If he hadn’t thrown the pick, it would be the floor, now it’s the ceiling. If the play caller would have run Marshawn, it would be somewhere in between.

  103. RUSELL WILSONS WEAPONS ;wr. doug baldwin , jermaine kearse , ricardo lockett , paul richardson. while he doesnt have a true # 1 you can argue all of them would be solid #2s and they are all deep threats

    te.luke wilson , anthony mccoy ( 2 solid receiving tight ends )

    rb marshawn lynch possibly the best rb in the nfl.

    offensive line – pretty solid wilson gets time in the pocket

    CAM NEWTON. wr kelvin benjamin , jerricho cotchery, philly brown , brenton bersin ( yes cam has a true #1 but cotchery isnt no #2, philly brown was an undrafted rookie that was injured most of the year , brenton bersin was a wr that was undrafted off of the practice squad of 2013.

    rb. jonathan stewart , dangelo williams . both injured multiple times , dangelo not the same rb as he once was.
    te- greg olsen
    offensive line – was the worst offensive line up into week 14 when they changed personal .

    DEFENSE
    seattle best defense , panthers top 10

    I know alot of you are simple minded out here but what would russell wilson have done if he was given the weapons and offensive line cam had ? he would do nothing!!!!

    on the other hand give cam Russell wilsons offensive line and weapons with a strong rb like marshawn lynch and he will dominate everyone.

    Cam is the entire panthers offense russell wilson is just a game manager that benefits from marshawn lynch .

    you all are just brain washed on the media on how good wilson is when in reality they were a playoff team with tavvares jackson and you are brain washed into hating cam because you dont accept his swag of putting a towel over his head and showboating when he scores a touchdown.

    Cam 3127 yds 23 touchdowns . wilson 3475 yards 26 touchdowns

    cam was also out for 2 games and was around 70% all season with his messed up ankle, broken ribs and injured back from car accident.

    Russell wilson only had 3 more touchdowns and 348 more passing yards then cam when cam missed 2 games and wilson had much better weapons. so yall can keep hating and being simple minded.

    CAM IS BETTER THEN RUSSELL WILSON.

  104. Teams that pay players based on past performance are usually drafting in the Top-5 picks. Winning teams pay for current and future performance, and the fact is that Wilson isn’t getting any better. One could even make an argument that he’s regressing to the mean.

    When has Seattle ever jumped on Wilson’s back and asked him to take them to a win? Just once, in the Super Bowl, and he threw the big interception that cost his team the win that humiliated everyone in the Pacific northwest for years to come.

    Seattle would be wise to use Wilson for another season at $1.5 Million, then use the non-exclusive franchise tag on him. If someone wants to give up 2 first round picks and pay him a ton of cash, let them have him. If not, they get him for another season at around $16 million if they want him or they can work out a trade. There will always be desperate teams that are willing to pay a King’s ransom for a prospective franchise QB.

    Wilson certainly doesn’t deserve exclusive franchise tag money of around $24 million, and he absolutely does not deserve $67 million guaranteed. But he will probably get it from some foolish team. I’m looking at you, Cleveland.

  105. Russell Wilson, there is no guarantee that the Seahawks will use any kind of savings to surround you with talent. NONE, whatsoever….just ask Tom Brady when he took his pay cut.

    Don’t leave a single cent on the table.

  106. The Hawks should pay him….point blank! They can’t win with out him…..repeat They cannot win without him!

    If they chose to Non-exclusive tag him…that’s even bigger trouble. Frankly, they don’t draft well in the 1st or 2nd round…they know it too. They traded off the pick for a known commodity last year. Looking at the prior drafts…they are better at picking talent in the later rounds than in the first round.

    Seahawks, just be grateful you got a few years on the cheap, but now it’s time to pay the man!

    Or go back to when you were looking for a QB….Remember those days: Charlie Whitehurst, Tavaris Jackson, and Matt Flynn.

  107. there sure are a lot of people the don’t know what the hell they’re talking about. I can’t even say I understand the hatred for Russell Wilson. I am absolutely positive that the vast majority of people that say he is not an extremely gifted quarterback have really very little experience and watching him play. he’s having one of the worst offensive lines in the game. he is done nothing but break record since he’s gotten of the league. he’s made the playoffs every year and been to the Superbowl twice winning it once,damn they’re winning it twice while making a comeback. complete moron say that is only good because of the defense and Lynch. that comes from no nothings. Lynch is a vastly better running back because of Wilson. Wilson has had some of the most comeback victory of all quarterbacks because of that elite defense that has blown leads like the Super Bowl for instance like the player with Green Bay for instance. Russell Wilson has never really been out of the game. until the last second of every game he has made it possible for the team to win. I doubt very much any other quarterback in the NFL could have gotten the Superbowl with the offensive line the Russell Wilson I had to work with

  108. sundaybutter says:
    Russell >>>>>>>>Cam its not even a debate
    _______________

    Judging by your thumbs up/down, it’s very much a debate.

  109. People don’t even watch a player then tell you all about him like they know everything…yep.

    They talk cap about the nfcc conveniently forgetting that it was Russell that put the team on his back and marched down the field, winning it in overtime with an audible to a bomb because he saw it was wide open.

    Lynch wasn’t a factor, Wilson was the man in crunchtime that day.

    (Rodgers was 3-16 on third downs that day but he is the best qb in the game. Fun fact)

  110. The thing some of you all forget is Russell Wilson ia a LEADER! That’s why when he has to take over in the 4th quarter he wins those games. When the new coach in college said he couldn’t play baseball he quit, joined Wisconsin, took over as QB..took then the Rose Bowl. During his draft week he kept pestering Chip Kelly to draft “me and I’ll win you a Superbowl”. He’s beaten the Packers 3 times, He beat Brady once, Newton twice… because of his Leadership powers. Don’t be surprised if you find him on the east coast soon (near his huge family)…maybe the Jets, Redskins, Eagles…they know who he is. One Big member of the Seahawks doesn’t!

  111. RW is better than Cam, it’s just that the Panthers don’t have any other options. It’s not like they can let him go an pick up a franchise QB at will. They’re stuck.

  112. I would rather pay an over-achieving 3rd rounder that has been to 2 straight superbowls already than an under-achieving 1st pick in the entire draft that has won you nothing at all.

    The Seahawks finally won a superbowl and have been the talk of football for three years. One could say Russell has already earned that money even if he retired tomorrow.

    You people diminishing Russell are just yammering from afar. People who watch the Seahawks week in, week out KNOW how amazing a qb rw is.

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