Montana finds #DeflateGate “funny”

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DeflateGate is to Joe Montana what Tommy is to Henry Hill.

Via Mark Kaboly of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, the Western Pennsylvania native turned Hall of Fame quarterback weighed in on the football-deflation scandal while in town for a Gridiron Gold event honoring the six native sons who threw a football all the way to Canton: Montana, Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, Joe Namath, George Blanda, and Johnny Unitas.

“Funny” is how Montana described it.

“Everybody is trying to do something different,” Montana said. “Our offensive linemen used to spray silicone on their shirts until they got caught. Once you get caught, you get caught. Period. It doesn’t take anything away from Tom [Brady’s] game. But how long has he been doing it? I don’t know.”

Montana seems to be amazed at how big of a deal it all became.

“It is one of those things that is a rule, right?” Montana said. “It might be a dumb rule, but it doesn’t matter. He didn’t deflate them himself, but you can pick up the ball and can tell if it is underinflated, overinflated or what you like. Everybody is afraid to say it, but if the guy did it, so what. Just pay up and move on. It’s no big deal.”

It’s too late to call #DeflateGate not a big deal. It’s definitely a big deal, and it will continue to be a big deal through the night the NFL team that plays in Pittsburgh travels to New England to play the Patriots, and beyond.

127 responses to “Montana finds #DeflateGate “funny”

  1. Oh boy, the “asterisk police” are going to really be riled up over this! They want us to believe that no other team than the Patriots ever pushes he boundaries. Look for them t continue this narrative even after numerous actual football players say otherwise.

    Credible: HOFers like Montana.

    Not Credible: Angry fan typing from basement.

  2. It’s as if Joe Montana did not immediately support Tom Brady, proclaiming that quarterbacks should be allowed to set the pressure to whatever they want or something.

    There is a multiple of former quarterbacks who have no problem with this in comparison to the former quarterback who do. If you don’t believe me then you’re part of the witchhunt.

  3. Montana doesn’t see this as any big deal because, as he alludes to, the 49ers under Bill Walsh partook in all kinds of gamesmanship.

    All the hoohah about the Patriots turning the other teams’ headsets off during games? Bill Walsh admitted they did that all the time in one of his books.

    Teams bend and/or break the rules all the time, and it was happening well before the Patriots got good. Yes, deflategate has been made into a big deal, but it shouldn’t have been. The NFL decided to make a big deal out of it.

  4. So Joe Montana was more than generally aware that his offensive linemen were cheating? And his best receiver used stickem on his hands which would almost certainly has been on the ball for Joe to feel.
    I find it more likely than not that if Joes OL and WR groups were cheating and he was ok with this then he was cheating also.

  5. Yes Joe, it is funny. The only people who really think it’s serious are the CRYBABY fans of other teams who need to have an excuse as to why the Patriots/Tom Brady are so good.

    We all watched the SB, we all saw what he did with the most closely watched footballs in the history of thE NFL.

    It’s nothing more than a personal preference. It’s not a competitive advantage if. If it is then Aaron Rogers and other QBs who have said they like footballs at the high end must be stupid, right crybabies?

  6. Montana is right.
    Sadly when the league Commish is the highly incompetent Roger Goodell and Roger Goodell has no idea what his underlings are doing half the time these non issues turn into a media fueled witch hunts……but only if it’s the Patriots.

  7. So Rice admitted to using Stickum to make things sticky and Montana admitted the use of Silicone spray by his offensive lineman to make things slippery…..what kind of party were these guys having….lol

  8. “Everybody is afraid to say it, but if the guy did it, so what. Just pay up and move on. It’s no big deal.”

    Too bad Tommy Boy wasn’t man enough to do that. All this silliness would have been over in a week.

  9. Of the six Western Pennsylvania native sons mentioned it’s clear to me who the all-time greatest QB was/is: Johnny U.

    Unitas took the passing game to new levels at a time when defenses still had teeth (before the 1978 rules changes).

    As for Montana, he has more in common with Brady than he’d like to admit in that he was an early beneficiary of those rules changes which essentially handicapped defenses (especially the secondaries) and which still artificially inflate QB stats to the present day.

  10. I can’t wait for the Patriot mob to show up here posting comments somehow twisting Montana’s words to suit their cause. This should be pretty funny.

  11. “11 out of 12 footballs 2 or more PSI below legal” without immediate correction by the NFL made it a big deal, which is exactly what they wanted, fully knowing it wasn’t even true.

    It’s not like it turned out that the NFL was “more probable than not generally aware” that that statement was false.

    THEY KNEW IT WAS FALSE FROM THE MOMENT IT WAS PUBLISHED!

    And yet, they allowed the hate to fester, like an infected boil with puss oozing out.

    Integrity? Right.

  12. “Our offensive linemen used to spray silicone on their shirts until they got caught.”

    Yet another (along with Jerry Rice’s stickum) taint on the 49ers Lombardi trophies, right? Asterisks are asterisks.

  13. Montana is 1000% correct. If the public knew some of the things all professional athletes do to get an edge that by the rules could be considered cheating, this wouldn’t have been such a big deal. MLB pitchers have been doctoring the ball for a edge since the game began. The Raiders had a guy that made arm covers that looked like casts with steel plates in them. Jerry Rice used stick-um even when it was banned. Bill Walsh would script their first 25 plays then then the microphones would go out on opposing sides lines so they would have trouble getting their plays in since the 49ers already knew what they were running. Point is, EVERY TEAM & every athlete will take any edge they can get, including cheating as long as they do not get caught. I am no Patriot fan but really tired of the ball & video thing. The Patriots haven’t done anything that other teams haven’t also done & other teams have done worse. It’s just because they win that people make such a huge deal about it. Old NFL saying used in EVERY locker room is: If your not bending the rules, your not trying hard enough.

    Stop the whining, if your team had 4 super bowl tiles in 10 years, you wouldn’t care about a few bent rules, only teams fans without that kind of success keep crying about this.

  14. LOL. “It’s no big deal”. from the master himself.

    I think I’ll go with Montana’s assessment over the Media Crush that is 2015 and the vitriolic haters who need all forms of validation for their own teams.

  15. Actually, got to agree with Joe on this one. It’s not a big deal. And I say that as a Colts fan who enjoys watching the Patsies squirm.

  16. “Our offensive linemen used to spray silicone on their shirts until they got caught. ”

    Don’t forget Rice used Stickum!

    #JoeCheatana
    #MossBetterThanRice

    😉

  17. It’s a big deal because we live in a tabloid-driven, drive-thru, Walmart-throw-away, narcissistic society with an attention span of 140 bytes.

    Modern American society is littered with mental midgets who make mountains out of mole hills to try to be heard and thus bring significance to their lives.

    Case in point: This deflategate nonsense.

  18. If it stayed at just a possible deflating issue, I’d agree with Joe: It’s no big deal.

    But it moved into the realm of obstruction, the clashing of giant egos, and both sides drawing lines in the sand that neither will back down from.

    So yes, it is indeed a big deal after all that.

  19. It’s a big deal because the blundering league office and you guys in the media made it one. The silicone on the shirt guys were probably told to stop doing it, kind of like the Panthers and Vikings when they were caught messing with the balls.

  20. So true. Suck it up Brady. All this denial stuff got you four games.

  21. It’s only a big deal because the media hyperbole machine made it a big deal. Most neutral parties have consistently dismissed it. The only people stressing its importance are those with an ax to grind (Grigson, Pagano, Kravitz, Irsay, fans of other teams, etc.), a public image to salvage (Goodell) or a vested interest in generating page views (ESPN & other sites that provide coverage of the NFL that shall remain nameless).

  22. It’s a big deal as long as the media wants it to be a big deal and when there is actual football to report on it won’t be. I think this is a classic case of a trumped up story and outrage for the sake of news material.

  23. If the GOAT, Joe Montana thinks it’s not a big deal, I am with him.

    Pay the fine, move on. I’m no NE fan (in fact I hate them), but anyone that thinks Tom Brady being “Tom Brady” is due to deflating or cheating is off their rocker. Dude can play ball.

  24. Patriot Hater loves to talk about the Patriots, underinflated footballs and fumbles… and yet isn’t it funny… not ONE former Patriot offensive playmaker that has left the team over the years has made even a subtle comment about how footballs are easier to handle in New England or how they feel “different”.

    Someone like say…Wes Welker who did not leave the Patriots on the best of terms and who isn’t afraid to speak his mind…

    Not a word from him. Not a word from anybody.

    Not one.

    Hmm… interesting. I wonder why that is. 🙂

    #iknowwhy
    #truthistruth
    #factsarefacts
    #truthhurts

  25. Once you get caught, you get caught. Period.

    Just like the original (Water-) Gate, the problem wasn’t the original crime, it was the cover-up that became the issue. As Joe points out…they got caught, but they’re going overboard to deny that they got caught. The lie plays well in New England, but it’s beyond insulting to expect the rest of the world to play along with it.

  26. Actually, got to agree with Joe on this one. It’s not a big deal. And I say that as a Colts fan who enjoys watching the Patsies squirm.

    Glad to see you’re still enjoying the one time the Colts made the Pats squirm in 2006.

  27. Even the Wells Report admitted (in a footnote of course) that Brady plays way better with properly inflated footballs, such as in the second half against the Colts, and of course in the SB. Kind of makes you wonder why the refs made him use illegal 14 psi balls against the Jets. When does that get investigated, anyway?

  28. “Montana seems to be amazed at how big of a deal it all became.”
    ^ Him and me both

  29. It is sad that we are still talking about this, SIX MONTHS after the fact.

    This should have been handled in one week.

    This parade was not necessary. Newsflash: If any other team had been as successful as the Pats over the last 15 years, then THEY would be the ones under the microscope.

  30. Good job, Joe. These excuses just don’t hold water. Man up.

    Kind of reminds me of Kurt Russell talking to Mel Gibson in ‘Tequila Sunrise’. Russell -“I caught you, you can’t pretend you’re not caught.”

  31. I liked football much better back when it was just a sporting event. Now we know too much about everyone and everything and it is less and less about the actual sport. It’s becoming part TMZ and part soap opera.
    “As the NFL turns”

  32. . Kind of makes you wonder why the refs made him use illegal 14 psi balls against the Jets.

    —-
    It was 16!

    And the ref who was responsible for that got a mysterious promotion to a supervisory role in the league office.

    HMMMMMMMMMMM.

    Anyone still think 16 PSI was an accident?

    #nah
    #Payoff
    #CoverUp
    #PaidForHisSilence

  33. Joe Montana a voice of common sense in all this craziness. It’s so obvious the over reach by the NFL on this minor infraction. As you can see from his comments teams have always done what they could to gain an edge. Should of been a fine on the team and end of story.

  34. cobrala2 says:
    Jun 8, 2015 8:19 AM

    It’s as if Joe Montana did not immediately support Tom Brady, proclaiming that quarterbacks should be allowed to set the pressure to whatever they want or something.

    There is a multiple of former quarterbacks who have no problem with this in comparison to the former quarterback who do. If you don’t believe me then you’re part of the witchhunt.
    —————————————–
    We are part of a witch hunt simply because we don’t agree with you? As Montana and EVERY OTHER former or current QB that has weighed in on this, not one of them has supported Brady. That, to me, is a credible source.

    Like he said, they were caught. Get on with life, pay up and move on.

  35. limakey says:
    Jun 8, 2015 9:49 AM

    It is pretty clear that Brady thought this was pretty funny. I don’t think he does now.

    I’m sure you’re right. And neither will the NFL once the lawsuit gets filed.

    And it will. There is a very good reason why Jeff Kessler of all people was hired.

  36. In my opinion, it wouldn’t be that big of a deal if they would have just manned up to begin with. Turn over all the evidence as requested to prove innocence. If it were me and I were innocent I would have turned over the phone to clear my name. But that’s just me.

    What people are failing to see is it’s not the actual crime that’s the big problem. It’s the cover up and lies after the crime.

  37. “Once you get caught, you get caught. Period. It doesn’t take anything away from Tom [Brady’s] game. But how long has he been doing it? I don’t know,” Montana said.

    Montana seems to be amazed at how big of a deal it all became.

    “He didn’t deflate them himself, but you can pick up the ball and can tell if it is underinflated, overinflated or what you like. Everybody is afraid to say it, but if the guy did it, so what. Just pay up and move on.”

    —————————————–

    This all became a BIG DEAL because Tom Brady didn’t want to “pay up” when he got caught. He continued to deny any involvement when everyone outside of New England knows he’s a the smiling liar.

    Moral of this story: If you get caught cheating to gain a competitive advantage, pay up, or pay more later for not paying early.

  38. OK. So now you all are admitting guilt. So why have the day after lie fest for the media? Why hide? For anyone who is a PFF member. Check Brady’s numbers in December and January since 2007. He struggles in cold.

    Another thing. Walter Payton ran for 273 with a 104 fever. That means, it does not matter if Walter was healthy or sick that day. He does better when he’s sick anyway, the training staff should have injected him with ebola before every game. I’m sure that would have been Walter’s preference. This analogy for those who think Brady was better in second half with balls that he hated. Like he hated against the Jets.

    Another thing. Just because Jazstremski said the balls were “16psi” does not mean they were. You are cherry picking what these guys said to each other to back your case. “Man Chapman was throwing it 120mph today”.

    That being said I don’t know why they can’t do whatever they want to the ball. Strange rule. Its not like a juiced baseball or golfball. Brady is same guy but I think he was looking for something to help his cold weather accuracy. Damp weather too. Going a decade with a bunch of home playoff losses would not have sat well for the legacy. He knew his window was closing. It is.

  39. A KEY reason that Deflategate became a big deal is because the Patriots were arrogant and defiant in their approach.

    Not only that, their lying through their teeth at every turn was embarrassing.

    The Patriots’ handling of Deflategate is what has this matter escalated.

    All they had to do was say, “Yeah, we did it. Our QB, like any QB, performs at his best if we release some air from the 12.5 PSI minimum limit, and we did it. We apologize. It won’t happen again. Our bad.”

    But the Patriots did NONE of that.

    Their owner, the one who claims to abhor “the rhetoric” led the charge. Krfaft became belligerent and almost bully-esque. Apologies were demanded in the strongest terms.

    Upon initial questioning, their QB was offering phonied up laughter, which was later followed by adamant denials that he would ever dare stoop to such a thing.

    The Patriots hired lawyers and between the Patriots and their lawyers — these dishonest and deceitful geniuses thought we would be stupid enough to believe the nickname “the deflator” was about a man trying to lose of a coupla pounds.

    The Patriots also angrily pointed accustory fingers at everybody — but themselves.

    The Patriots went on the warpath and attacked Wells and his team, some members of the media, the Colts, components of the public, etc.

    The Patriots tried to play the Victim Card, in an attempt to manipulate both public and league opinion. Sure, they didn’t need to cheat to beat the Colts in the 2014 AFCCG — but that is not the point, despite how the Patriots tried to make it the point.

    In addition, the Patriots lied to the Commish. Worse than the seemingly minor-ish underlying “crime” itself — is the constant lying in the face of investigators, the Commish, the fans, the media, the public, fellow players, the world. It’s the old “the cover up is worse than the crime” dealio. Repeatedly we have seen, Goodell (and most of us) resents liars more than the underlying crime itself.

    For the key reasons WHY this became a big deal — the New England Patriots need look no further than to gaze at the man in the mirror they see when they brush their respective teeth in the morning. The manner in which they’ve handled every turn of this matter, could be categorized as a dumpster fire. And everyone not blinded by Patriot Allegience can see through it all like looking through a freshly washed windshield on a sunny day.

    #ThePatriotWay

  40. I think the conclusion is:

    Brady cheated, lied about it, but its no big deal (this is what I am reading from Pats fans).

    Therefore:

    Brady is a great quarterback – no doubt, just not a stand-up guy. He seems to be okay with his team and two patsies taking the fall.

  41. It’s a big deal because the NFL and the Media want it to be – no, need it to be a big deal. Otherwise, unless some screw-up gets arrested or kills somebody, they’ve got nothing to talk about from the Super Bowl to the Draft and from the Draft to preseason. It’s an artificial controversy designed to grab ratings because the NFL thinks that any sort of attention is good attention.

    The Packers did it, Aaron Rodgers admitted it, and he got a $25k fine. The Vikings and Panthers got caught heating the ball on TV after being told not to, and they got even less. Why? Because it’s not a story if the Packers, Vikings, or Panthers do it. It is a story if the reigning NFL Champions do it, though.

    It’s going to bite the NFL hard sooner or later, this combination of “any PR is good PR” and “let’s hand out punishments according to what social media thinks”. I don’t necessarily buy Mark Cuban’s comments on how the NFL is doomed to fail, but I’ll wager this behavior is a sure sign that it’s starting to slip.

    Hell, Robert Kraft basically kept Goodell in power after the whole Ray Rice fiasco, where Goodell forgot that in 2014 you can’t judge someone according to previous standards, previous punishments, and the NFLPA agreement, but on how livid Twitter is at the moment.

    Sooner or later they’re going to do this to someone that won’t just bow out, is powerful and wealthy enough to fight, and will take the NFL to court over it. The whole rotten structure will come crashing down at that point.

    If anything, the organization that comes out of this looking the worst isn’t the Patriots, but the Colts. To anyone with half a brain, it’s a clear political strategy to take out the rival they’re unable to beat. And I say that as a somewhat disgruntled Texans fan who was actually looking forward to the Colts this year after picking up Andre Johnson.

    But now? Better hope Watt doesn’t break Luck in half, Indy. Karma’s a thing, and nobody likes the slimy politician type. If you’re gonna beat someone, do it on the field, not on Park Avenue.

  42. People feel the need to diminish greatness. We hear it now in Pittsburgh about the dynasty of the 70’s having something to do with steroids, even when the Steelers doctor has been found to have had no involvement with the team or issue by authorities.
    Fred Biletnikoff once caught a ball with his elbow thanks to how much stick-um he had pasted on his arms.
    I’m sure the Pack of the 60’s and Montana’s Niners have whispers around them that I don’t lend credence to.
    Now this shlock.
    Let the players play the game.

  43. ESPN has been the driving force in this scandal.
    They are moving into reality TV much like MTV did in moving away from music.

    Espn took real people and inserted a lie (10.5 psi)
    To generate the programming.
    Next thing you know they’ll be jumping on the pop culture bandwagon with the Caitlin Jenner story.
    Probably give her the Arthur Ashe award at the ESPYS.

  44. Montana: “Just pay up and move on”

    This.

    Jesus, can we just move on already? Man up, take your medicine and play ball.

    So Brady is suspended 4 games – who cares? So, *maybe* the Pats will lose 1 more game this year than they otherwise would have. They’re still gonna make the playoffs. And lemme tell you, Tom isn’t gonna miss the money, that’s for damn sure.

    Yes, the loss of a 1st rounder hurts. But I’d say between the weight of the evidence (not the proof – the evidence) and the organizational track record, it’s probably about fair.

    I get it. Pats nation thinks they got screwed. Maybe they did, who knows. But like the saying goes, revenge is a dish best served cold. So play lights out this year, win another SB, and tell everyone to suck eggs.

    Believe me, if the Pats do that, it will cure a lot of hurt feeling.

  45. “you can pick up the ball and can tell if it is underinflated, overinflated or what you like”

    The refs can’t, obviously.

    Stickum and silicone… How many asterisks for the Niners and Montana?

  46. Brady will serve his four games and drop this thing. He will never agree to testify under oath and neither will JM and JJ. It will be every man for themselves and what was “probable” and “generally aware” very well could turn into absolutes.

  47. It is a joke and Goodell now does not know what to do anymore. Goodell needs to do the right thing and just wipe it out with a token fine to the NE organization.

    49ers – Silicone on their jerseys, Rice admitting to stickum substance on his gloves, Walsh not denying Parcells claim the 49ers jammed the Giants communications from the press box.

    You know how many asterisk’s? None.

    It’s all bs. Everyone wants to take down the best.

  48. Did Montana mean “Funny” as in ha-ha or “Funny” as in these footballs don’t feel quite right?

    Either way, DeflateGate is a big deal because the Patri*ts made it one by not owning up to the fact that they altered the balls in the first place.

    Brady’s suspension can only be blamed on how the Patri*ts themselves handled the situation.

    All they had to say was we inflated the balls to the lowest limit and promised to keep the Deflator out of the bathroom with the game balls in the future.

    That would have been the end of it.

    But no, they had to come up with some moronic excuse that the term “Deflator” refers to weight loss.

    Come on… my 6-year old lies better than that.

  49. Follow up question to Joe :

    Do you read the Wells report or the rebuttal?

    No? then you are just some has been bloviating, as are most of the posters on this site. They want to be jurists without the tedium known as evidence.
    .

  50. Moral of the story, if you get caught cheating to gain a competitive advantage, pay up, or pay more later for not paying early. I have no sympathy for that shady smiling liar! Enjoy your suspension Tawwmy. LOL!

  51. Why doesn’t the headline read “Montana Believes Brady is Guilty”? Because that’s what he says by “How long has he been doing it? I don’t know”…

    Montana can’t say it’s over once you get caught…because the Patriots have proven they will cheat every opportunity they get.

  52. It really isn’t a big deal. Lots of people do it. They were unlucky and got caught. Take your lumps and move on.

  53. The whole thing became overblown because the Patriots made it a big deal and had those angry press conferences. THEY upped the ante. Belichick had that press conference trying to talk about something he knows very little about: science. Then Kraft was even angrier demanding apologies and practically frothing at the mouth. The Pats fans went full attack dog on anyone and everyone including the Colts and slandering the poor equipment guy.

    All that did was feed the media frenzy, during Super Bowl week no less. That forced Goodell to initiate an investigation, which the Pats compounded by not cooperating and lying to investigators. If the Pats had just admitted it, the whole thing would have blown over and maybe a fine would have been levied.

    Montana’s right. It was not a big deal, but the Pats made it a big deal instead of taking the punishment and moving on.

  54. The GOAT is right, Brady needs to put it behind him and move on.

    Fighting it just keeps it alive.

  55. Keepyerstickintheice. Joe didn’t lose two Super Bowls to Eli? First off, Eli was a baby back then. Your point is that he doesn’t have 2 super bowl losses. The counterpoint is he lost many times in the playoffs and didn’t even get his team to the SB 6 times, as Brady did.

  56. Why are the Steelers tagged in this story? They must have a “teams that cheat” list. Got it.

  57. stillers213 wrote: “I liked football much better back when it was just a sporting event. Now we know too much about everyone and everything and it is less and less about the actual sport. It’s becoming part TMZ and part soap opera.

    “As the NFL turns””

    —————————————–

    I couldn’t agree more. Back in the 80’s before the 24/7 news cycle, you could either follow sports or watch General Hospital. I chose sports.

    Back then you would get your sports news from the sports section of the daily paper and the 5 minute segment toward the end of the 6 and 11 o’clock news. There wasn’t enough time and space available to fill it up with garbage like this.

    So why are the sporting news outlets merging sports and soap opera? Is this what we really want?

    This sure as hell is NOT what I signed up for as a sports fan.

    Sports is supposed to be a fun and relaxing break from reality. Now we have people on both sides barking and screaming at each other, frothed over with anger.

    Love the Patriots or hate em, is this whole issue really fun for anybody?

  58. If offensive lineman spray silicone in their jerseys how does that make Montana a cheater? It’s like saying Brady is a murderer because he was in the huddle with one. Dummies.

  59. STILLlolatpatshaters says:
    Jun 8, 2015 9:07 AM

    Someone like say…Wes Welker who did not leave the Patriots on the best of terms and who isn’t afraid to speak his mind…

    Not a word from him. Not a word from anybody.
    _______________________________

    Actually Welker was asked about deflategate last week (Tuesday) on WEEI in Boston. He said it’s only a big deal because it’s Tom Brady and because Brady’s a winner. He also said “I never noticed any difference in the balls” Brady threw to him. He defended the Pats the whole time they discussed the deflate gate subject.

  60. Funny how all the Pats fans are saying everyone else cheated too!!!!!

    The problem is the other teams did not get caught. The Pats are arrogant and have that culture of cheating and also dumb enough to keep getting caught.

  61. The worst is yet to come. When it comes time for HOF, will he be first ballot? How will they be able to compare his stats and accomplisments?

  62. Of course he doesn’t have a problem with it. He won four titles cheating throwing to a receiver with stickum on his hands. If Brady gets an asterisk, then so should he. What do you expect him to say?

  63. Anyone saying this isn’t a big deal needs to have their head examined. Cheating, regardless of team or payer, is 1000000% unacceptable & should be dealt with harshly. I don’t care who it is…if they stoop to needing to cheat, then they deserve to be suspended for a year for the 1st offense & for he rest of their lives for a 2nd offense!!! I can tell you if I play you Monopoly and catch you cheating, I might, MIGHT, play you again after a long, long wait. But if I catch you cheating again, you’re done!! The fact that I even have to state this shows how messed up our society is becoming.

  64. The psi of the balls used never was, and never will be a big deal.
    “Deflategate” is really it’s own beast and is a big deal because the Patriots made it so.

  65. “Why are the Steelers tagged in this story? They must have a “teams that cheat” list. Got it.”
    ________________
    You really need to seek help with your obsession with the Steelers. If you weren’t such a giant troll you would realize that they were recognizing the 6 western PA born Hall of Fame QB’s in Pittsburgh over the weekend.

  66. Wow some perspective from the second best QB of all time.

    Rice had alot to do with his Montana’s passing stats.

    Good way for him to respond to the questions he was asked.

  67. @RegisHawk says:
    The lie plays well in New England, but it’s beyond insulting to expect the rest of the world to play along with it.

    =========================================

    What is really insulting is those of you, who have obviously not bothered to read anything more than the headlines and comments around this non-issue, continually feeling the need to repeat ad nauseam the same tired old unsupported propaganda the media has been spewing for months.

  68. @goingtheextramile says:

    He continued to deny any involvement when everyone outside of New England knows he’s a the smiling liar.

    =========================================
    Ok goingtheextramile or any of you other “experts” who “know” something is a fact.

    Based solely on the Wells report information, without taking things out of context, nor add other extraneous media-fueled opinions, take the time here to actually make the case that “PROVES” Brady is guilty of anything.

    Really, go get the 243 page paper, it is surely available online, and make a real logical case that proves your viewpoint.

    When you are done pouring over the document, and realize there is no proof, you can either accept it, or deny it and continue to try and put forth your own fantasy as reality.

    Now keep in mind, I am not saying Brady is innocent or guilty. I am saying that there is no way that the Wells paper provides any basis to prove guilt of innocence, and anyone who has truly read it and claims that it does, has clearly stepped into the realm of fantasy.

  69. briangraydon says:
    If offensive lineman spray silicone in their jerseys how does that make Montana a cheater?

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    It makes him “more probable than not” of being “generally aware of” team efforts to circumvent the rules.

    Don’t get me wrong – Joe is one of the best ever – but if you are going to dish on Brady, Montana has actually now opened his yap and admitted that he knows his team broke the rules to gain competitive advantage. So tell me.. how is this different? Come on I eagerly await the hogwash.

  70. Sully, Joe admitted what his team did, they got caught and paid their fine. Brady lied from the get go and now is boxed in because of them.

  71. The only problem with joes statement is “just pay up and move on” why should he pay up when the punishment is absolutely ridiculous? If it was only a $25,000 fine, which is what it’s supposed to be according to the NFL rule book, then fine. But 4 game suspension? The same as peds? Over non-conclusive evidence? Maybe that’s why he doesn’t wanna pay up…

  72. joe knows that there is no way tommy doesn’t know if the ball has been deflated (any more than Tiger wouldn’t know if the swingweight of his clubs had been changed). he also knows tommy is a control freak and would find the equipment guy he had been texting to find out why. so given that he knows the rest that has been said in denial is blown smoke.

    and despite what anyone says, the only reason its a big deal now is that the lying liars and the lies they told have made it a big deal.

    you should have copped to speeding before you got the conspiracy and perjury charges added to it, lads.

  73. limakey says: Jun 8, 2015 12:46 PM

    The worst is yet to come. When it comes time for HOF, will he be first ballot? How will they be able to compare his stats and accomplisments?

    ——————————
    There are more than enough voters informed and educated about the sport to ensure Tom Brady is elected on the first ballot.

    As he should be.

    #yup
    #goatQB

  74. WAIT A MINUTE…..let me get this right:

    1. everyone was in a major uproar after the infamous “11 out of 12 footballs” lie ( not corrected by the NFL that knew otherwise) and wanted to lynch Goodell right up until he handed out the punishments

    2. then you all then shoved Kraft aside to become Goodell’s BFFs after he handed out the punishments and all claimed Brady’s name couldn’t even be spoken within the same sentence as Montana’s

    3. and now that Montana basically said “yeah, we cheated too” but the difference is getting caught. it’s really no big deal, but when you get caught you just need to pay up and everyone will forget about it.

    4. and now you’re all saying it wasn’t a big deal, that Brady/Patriots made it a big deal.

    WTF??? How long is the string on you yo-yos?

  75. sully says:

    When you are done pouring over the document, and realize there is no proof, you can either accept it, or deny it and continue to try and put forth your own fantasy as reality.

    well sully, i just got done pouring over the doc as you suggested. and now its all wet. as it your assertion.

    You assert there must be proof. that is wrong. this isn’t a court, this an employment issue. as you probably know, in employment law, no one has to prove anything.

    in most cases, the standard is the more probable of the the alternatives. in most cases, employees are at-will and can be dismissed for any reason. in this case, there is an employment contract. and that is where one finds the standard more probable than not. and why wells used that in his report despite the fact that he knew it would draw derision from the pats and their peanut gallery as well as the stupid reported covering the issue.

    given that standard, anyone with no bias knows in his heart that it is far more likely to have unfolded as described by wells than any other way. and don’t give me the natural gas law nonsense.

    common sense says brady knew and directed this deal….and should have admitted it and gone on with the super bowl.

    he hangs with supermodels not equipment men; he texted them only after this all happened.

    and locker-room guys don’t complain to each other in texts about doing things that are part of their normal job for a guy like brady and certainly don’t require sneakers and other swag for the effort. and if what “the deflator: was complaining about doing in his texts was just part of his job, why would he say say otherwise (without the sneakers) i’ll just go play rugby next sunday.

    seems to me to find the pats story plausible requires as much mental elasticity as the famous photo of nixon’s secretary rosemary woods stretched out over a desk trying to disprove the physical impossibility of an accidental erasure of the watergate tapes.

  76. limakey says:
    Sully, Joe admitted what his team did, they got caught and paid their fine. Brady lied from the get go and now is boxed in because of them.

    =========================================
    limakey I have 2 questions for you.

    1. Joe admitted cheating, and that is Ok? (Just want to be clear the double standards that America judges by these days).
    2. Brady lied from the get go — So far, the Wells report can’t truly establish that there was even tampering beyond what nature would do, so what exactly did Brady lie about?

  77. Still, and that’s what Tom should be worried about. Because all will agree he didn’t need to do this. The question will be why he did it. Did he do it because he couldn’t win otherwise? Or did he do it to pat his stats? But if comes out he did beyond doubt cheated, he can kiss the hall goodbye.

  78. TB12 + BB = GREATNESS ☝️
    😘🏈
    😍😡😍

    😘🏆🏆🏆🏆🙌
    One more for the Thumb🏆👍🙏

    Love my PAT Nation representing💪🏼

  79. “11 out of 12 footballs 2 or more PSI below legal” without immediate correction by the NFL made it a big deal, which is exactly what they wanted, fully knowing it wasn’t even true.

    It’s not like it turned out that the NFL was “more probable than not generally aware” that that statement was false.

    THEY KNEW IT WAS FALSE FROM THE MOMENT IT WAS PUBLISHED!

    And yet, they allowed the hate to fester, like an infected boil with puss oozing out.

    Integrity? Right.

  80. limakey says: Jun 8, 2015 3:37 PM

    Still, and that’s what Tom should be worried about. Because all will agree he didn’t need to do this. The question will be why he did it. Did he do it because he couldn’t win otherwise? Or did he do it to pat his stats? But if comes out he did beyond doubt cheated, he can kiss the hall goodbye.

    Only problem with that is… you don’t know what “it” is, you are only assuming. 🙂 What you assume “it” is just isn’t factual at this point in time.

    There are no rules whatsoever against a QB asking a guy nicknamed the deflator to take care of footballs. 🙂

    As for your other point… just for arguments sake if Brady is guilty – that won’t keep him out of the hall either. Gaylord Perry made the baseball HOF and he is a notorious cheat with doctoring baseballs. Just goes to show you that there is a quorum of informed and educator voters in a sport to recognize the accomplishments of the sport’s all time greats and give them their due.

  81. Brady will crush Goodell, Vincent and the rest of the anti Pat haters in the league office and he will use the leagues pathetic Wells report to do it. Of course the mental midgets screeching “cheater” can barely read a grocery list let alone an investigative document. The Wells report’s own facts totally contradict themselves. It’s a joke!

  82. bostonloyalty says:
    Jun 8, 2015 4:00 PM

    “11 out of 12 footballs 2 or more PSI below legal” without immediate correction by the NFL made it a big deal, which is exactly what they wanted, fully knowing it wasn’t even true.

    It’s not like it turned out that the NFL was “more probable than not generally aware” that that statement was false.

    THEY KNEW IT WAS FALSE FROM THE MOMENT IT WAS PUBLISHED!

    And yet, they allowed the hate to fester, like an infected boil with puss oozing out.

    Integrity? Right.

    ——–

    I was thinking exactly the same thing.

  83. I am disgusted by these cheating Stealers. The way that Tomlin and the Rooney’s asked Devin Gardner to leave the Patriots and join the lowly Stealers was awful. My kids have not been able to cope with this blatant cheating by Pittsburgh. There needs to be a 5 month and $20 million investigation into this matter. #GARDNERGATE

  84. Sully, I believe that altering a uniform and altering a football after the ref’s inspection are two violations that are on different levels. However, both are considered cheating. Brady lied about knowing the procedures after he selected his game balls and he lied about who Jim McNally was but more importantly, what his job was. Both JJ and JM said otherwise.

  85. Great quarterback with a Notre Dame education. I would have thought he could read.

    People will believe anything once it becomes accepted on a widespread basis.

    Deflategate is a bigger hoax than Orson Wells’ radio broadcast of a Martian invasion. At least after 24 hours people knew that was a hoax.

    Deflategate has more holes in it than Genesis but people have faith in authority and can’t accept it was bs from day one.

  86. If the NFL had just told the Patriots that a few of their footballs were below regulation, and then assessed them an appropriate fine, they likely would have just payed up and moved on.

    But no, the NFL decided to get stupid, and attempt some sting operation, which they completely bungled. Even though the results of that sting operation, and the subsequent “investigation” revealed that none of the footballs were really artificially deflated, the NFL decided to suspend Tom Brady, as well as assess a huge fine, and take away a couple of draft picks.

    If Roger would have given Tom Brady an appropriate fine for not handing over his phone, he might have payed up and moved on.

    But no, the NFL messed that one up as well.

  87. I keep hearing comments about stickem on gloves and yet have any of you felt the gloves receivers use these days? PS all teams cheat, people just get mad when their team isn’t winning and cheating enough. POOR SPORTS all around.

  88. Joe handles yet another sticky situation, but I still think his 49ers were a bit tacky.

    I wonder if silicon is how he threw a sticky ball? He’d simply rub his hands on his own (or his linemen’s) shirts to conteract the leftover stickum before attempting to throw?

    Anyway, what I hate about deflategate is that the Pats were possibly the most innocent party – the Dolts illegally guaged balls on the sideline, refs broke inflation rules, nfl execs broke protocols, did an illegal sting, stole balls to sell on ebay and leaked false stories to the press… And the Pats? Maybe they had a backdoor scheme to try to ensure balls were barely 12.5-ish at kickoff because the refs weren’t to be trusted – plausible/likely but there’s no hard evidence because the league can’t conduct a sting that a 5yr-old could manage blindfolded.

  89. limakey says:
    Jun 8, 2015 7:23 PM

    Sully, I believe that altering a uniform and altering a football after the ref’s inspection are two violations that are on different levels.

    ———-

    well that’s convenient

  90. metlifeteardown says:
    Jun 8, 2015 9:55 AM

    Another thing. Just because Jazstremski said the balls were “16psi” does not mean they were. You are cherry picking what these guys said to each other to back your case. “Man Chapman was throwing it 120mph today”.

    ————————

    My problem with this statement is that you question if the balls were 16 psi simply because Jastremski said so and that Pats supporters are cherry picking. Well, the haters are doing the same with the rest of the text messages. Cherry picking to suit their argument. No offense, but if the haters are gonna take the texts at face value, then so am I. The balls were 16 psi because Jastremski said they were. I’m just using the haters line of reasoning. Trying to be consistent.

    And look at the Pats numbers for December and January over the last 10 years. I think you need to rethink your statement.

  91. Hey, denverdude. Salary cap violations…twice..to win two SBs.

    Those who live in glass houses.

  92. Patriots aren’t going down because of a few deflated balls. They’re going down because they cheat all the time and the league is sick of it. After getting humiliated by Chicago and Green Bay, they obviously vowed to stop playing by the rules. Looks, dynasties are rare. SF pulled it off but Pittsburgh’s was due to massive steroid use. The only reason they beat Seattle was Bill Leavy and they were one jumpball away from losing to Arizona. Fans need to understand that this is not the WWE. Rules are important so stop whining and thinking you’re going to weasel out of this. Take your asterisks stop whimpering. It’s embarrassing.

  93. Mmack, Tom Brady was in total control of this whole situation. He could have stopped this at any time. He could have cooperated fully and candidly. The Pats could have also cooperated fully. There was no sting operation. The NFL had no control over any of the Pats actions.

  94. limakey says:
    Jun 9, 2015 10:12 AM

    Paulreverehorse, Do you truly feel they are on the same level?

    ———-

    I didn’t say that. I said it was convenient for you to judge what was a higher level infraction from which you then base your argument.

    However…..since holding is illegal (like that never happens) then making a move to get to the quarterback has a lot to do with leverage while relying on friction. Using silicone will minimize the friction and therefore the leverage, making it harder and taking longer to get to the quarterback. Which gives more time for the quarterback to get the ball to the receiver that’s illegally using stickum.

    It clearly is a competitive advantage. And when you have multiple players doing it at the same time, then it becomes a conspiracy to gain competitive advantage.

    at any rate, both are efforts to unfairly gain an advantage.

    now when you have proof that the Patriots had deflated footballs and that Brady was involved, let me know. Right now, there isn’t any. The Wells report even states that there is no conclusion of wrongdoing, and that the mere “more probable than not” is based on making assumptions.

  95. TebowedOutOfThePostSeasonAndNeverToReturn says:
    Jun 9, 2015 8:27 AM

    Patriots aren’t going down because of a few deflated balls. They’re going down because they cheat all the time and the league is sick of it. After getting humiliated by Chicago and Green Bay, they obviously vowed to stop playing by the rules. Looks, dynasties are rare. SF pulled it off but Pittsburgh’s was due to massive steroid use. The only reason they beat Seattle was Bill Leavy and they were one jumpball away from losing to Arizona. Fans need to understand that this is not the WWE. Rules are important so stop whining and thinking you’re going to weasel out of this. Take your asterisks stop whimpering. It’s embarrassing.

    ——-

    did you even read the article above?

    SF pulled off because they used silicone and stickum. your argument is only as good as the weakest link.

  96. Raiders fan. We set the bar.
    It’s like everyone of the “rules” you guys complain about your pansy azzed teams getting busted on, my team is the reason the league invented that rule in the first place.

  97. Silicone on the jersey is just keeping your defensive linemen honest. It was always illegal to grab hold of the oppositions jersey.

  98. Paulrevereshorse, I don’t have to prove anything. I understand, that there is no smoking gun. I also understand that the only smoking gun that most Pats fans will accept is if Tom Brady says it was done and he knew about it. As I have said from the very beginning, either you believe Tom Brady or you don’t.

  99. Let’s look at the Indy Colts for a second; the team that also had 3 under-inflated balls of the 4 tested by the league.
    The tough guy on the block punches the Colts in the mouth. Repeatedly.
    Do they sack up and start fighting back?
    Nope, they just go running to Mommy.
    Admirable franchise.

  100. papiertigre says:
    Jun 9, 2015 11:17 AM
    Silicone on the jersey is just keeping your defensive linemen honest. It was always illegal to grab hold of the oppositions jersey.
    ——————————-
    No, I don’t think it is dude. Defensive linemen can grab hold of the Offensive linemen within 5yds of the scrimmage line. Obviously, the O-line are gonna spend most of their time in that zone, so the silicone gave them an unfair (and illegal) advantage.

  101. “Raiders fan. We set the bar.
    It’s like everyone of the “rules” you guys complain about your pansy azzed teams getting busted on, my team is the reason the league invented that rule in the first place.”

    Has the league created a rule that one team cannot suck so badly that they don’t have a winning season for a dozen years?

  102. It’s a big deal because they won. You cheat and lose, nobody cares. You cheat and win…you just crapped on the game.

    But hey, you got your titles, fair play and sportsmanship be damned.

    The lack of integrity combined with greed, will kill this game.

    Watch.

  103. Whether BRADY did or did not have the footballs deflated to 12.5 psi is as significant as 0.5 psi is to a 28-0 Blow Out and BREAKING NFL SuperBowl PASSING RECORDS by BRADY against the #1 Defense in League History.

    What is of MONUMENTAL SIGNIFIGANCE is the SCANDALOUS abuse of power by Goodell. Issuing a PROSECUTORIAL Investigation with a PRE-DETERMINED OUTCOME while stating on National TV that he hired an IMPARTIAL investigator.

    Yet, what Well$ and his Report FACTUALLY PROVED was – #1.) NO EVIDENCE to pass conclusive violation, #2.) Rejecting Factual SCIENTIFIC Evidence that exonerates Brady, #3.) Rejecting Factual Scientific Evidence that IMPLICATES the Colts and #4.) zero EVIDENCE of any IMPARTIALITY with zero investigation into the Colts and #5.) the Refs handling/procedure of footballs as it pertains to a complete failure of INTEGRITY/CREDIBLE/RELIABLE/UNBIASED measuring, recording and methodolgy of the Refs in ATTEMPTING to validate Rule 17.

    This is ARROGANCE HATE INJUSTICE & AUTHORITATIVE ABUSE all found in one individual that has used the power of the UNETHICAL News Media to promote his Agenda by spreading FALSE & INFLAMMATORY statements that are communicated as actual facts.

    WHY ? – So that, You, the Sheeple, will BELIEVE what you are fed and regurgitate it publicly as you have be taught by the news media.

    It is an INSULT & ASSAULT on FAIRNESS, TRUTH, LOGIC, SCIENCE, REASON & BALANCED UNBIASED JUDGEMENT.

    Don’t be a lima bean.

    Rise to your Higher calling of Truth Reason Logic Fairness & Justice.

    DISDAIN & RESIST all abuse of power.
    Bring into SUBMISSION Authoritarian Powers that seek to UNDERMINE YOUR AMERICAN FREEDOMS.

  104. Never assume what the News Media tells you is FACT.

    Always hold judgment until you know all the FACTS and hear from both sides – Due Process.

    Just Laws are written to protect us.

    Un-Just Laws are written for Government Control over your Freedoms.

    Corrupt government wears away at your Freedoms a Little Here and a Little There.

    If – WE the PEOPLE – do not speak out and REJECT Un- Just Laws, eventually we wind up back where we started – under Oppressive Authoritarian Rulers just as we see here with Goodell & the NFL versus NFLPA & BRADY.

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