Wilson’s agent sends extensive position paper to Seahawks

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The Cam Newton contract raises the stakes for the Seahawks and quarterback Russell Wilson. Regardless of whether Wilson would take the same deal right now (I think he wouldn’t) or whether the Seahawks would pay the same deal right now (I think they wouldn’t), the real question is whether Wilson will play out the final year of his rookie contract at $1.5 million and, if so, how much he’ll be able to command in 2016.

The dance between team and player continues with agent Mark Rodgers, a baseball agent, sending a 16-page letter to the Seahawks explaining his position, as initially reported by Ian Rapoport of NFL Media.

PFT has confirmed that the letter was sent. Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Rodgers routinely creates “position papers” in all larger baseball negotiations. And while Rodgers isn’t looking to start a war with the Seahawks, he needs to advocate for Wilson.

Wilson eventually needs to decide whether to capitalize on leverage that only will grow with the passage of time — or to leave money on the table in order to allow the team to put a competitive team around him. Regardless, his best-case scenario will only get better and better as February 2016 approaches, with the Seahawks or someone else will pay him as much he wants.

101 responses to “Wilson’s agent sends extensive position paper to Seahawks

  1. I’m behind Russell Wilson all the way. About time for the NFL to have a reputable character instead of the cheating league skidmark New England Asterisks. #Tainted

  2. QB is the most important position in the game. Sure it is great to underpay one. If you believe that is important, let Wilson go after his rookie contract and draft another Wilson. Should be easy.

  3. IDK what he’s truly worth in the NFL but it’s far more than 1.5M.

    I think Cam was way overpaid too.

  4. Seattle is playing this smart so far. They want to give contracts to the actual skill players and not the guy who throws 4 INT’s and then gets all the credit for winning.

  5. I don’t think a game manager such as wilson is worth top dollar. Sure they have done well, but I don’t believe it is Wilson’s play that has been the reason why.

  6. After reading about the connection that he and Jimmy Graham are developing, I can’t believe that he or the Seahawks will let it fall apart.

    They are just taking their sweet time getting to an amicable solution for everyone involved the media is way impatient about it.

    The haters sure do love piling on though, don’t they.

  7. hope he gets traded to cleveland. if he can take the browns to the playoffs in that division, then he’s the real deal. but i think he will get exposed if he plays for any other team besides seahawks. he just not good enough. hes more of a rb using the scramble drill and the read option.

  8. In first three years, he’s in the top 10 in the league in passer rating. He has the highest passer rating in the history of the game through three years (min 1000 attempts).

    Franchise had finished below .500 four straight years before he got there. Quarterbacks his team to the playoffs in each of his first three years, to the NFC title in two seasons, and to the Super Bowl title in one of those seasons. 42-14 with two trips to the Super Bowl in my time, and they can’t get a deal done? lol

  9. It’s one thing to build a competitive team that wins a Super Bowl. It’s another thing to build a highly competitive organization that is in the hunt every year. I think Pete Carroll wants to build that in Seattle. However, in order to achieve that, you have to be a salary cap hawk, often cutting ties with players you’d love to keep.

    If Wilson’s cap charge were too excessive, it would weaken the overall roster. That’s especially true in the depth department.
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  10. The Hawks better be careful. His agent is big in baseball, and Wilson thinks he can play at the MLB level, as we saw on HBO. Those contracts are fully guaranteed, and the concussion factor is a lot lower in baseball. That is his ultimate trump card, and if they piss him off he could leave them hanging and just walk out.

  11. Seattle hit jackpot the last few years in being able to pay their starting QB about a million per year instead of twenty.

    This allowed them to solidify a great defense.

    Sure, Wilson will get paid. But will they be able to keep that defense together? They’ll want to get paid (or continue to get paid), too.

  12. The Hawks can tag him with the exclusive rights tag and keep him in 2016 if they want, so it’s not like the sky is immediately falling on this Wilson thing.

  13. Wilson is the first QB in NFL history with a passer rating of over 95.0 in each of his first three seasons. If they’re not will to pay him more than Newton, how can he not call their bluff? Every game closer to the end of this season gives him more and more leverage.

  14. athwartships says:Jun 8, 2015 3:34 PM

    Pay the man.

    _________________

    If by “the man” you mean Lynch, then I believe they already have.

  15. Dear Players, Agents, GMs, Owners,

    Shut up. The public is not the place to have this discussion. Just have it in private. They think you are worth it, or they don’t. It is that simple. You can yell and scream behind closed doors. Please stop using us for pressure against the other side.

    And seeing I have your attention, same thing for these training camp stories of how great player XYZ looks. I don’t care about that either. Have them show up for game one and impress me then.

    In other words, shut up and take care of your business.

  16. Seahawks will have him for at least 2 additional years after this one, bare minimum. They can franchise him in ’16 and ’17 and still be paying considerably less than what his agent is commanding, when averaged out over the years played.

    And yes, HE does think he can play baseball. Unfortunately, it’s been discussed on local radio here quite a bit that he doesn’t have Major League talent, so his ability to demand some giant fully guaranteed MLB contract is limited. Impossible? No. But highly unlikely. His best bet at getting paid is the NFL.

  17. Indy holds 5th year option on him for ~18M (based on a % of an unknown 2016 salary cap, so its approximate).

    Seattle drafted Wilson in 3rd round, so they only have the franchise tag available which should by ~20M.

    Both Indy and Seattle will probably play out 2015 as-is and then use their leverage (5th year option on Luck and franchise tag on Wilson).

    I think both teams will retain their franchise QB, but won’t do a deal early unless they can get a team friendly deal. Why be in a hurry to do a market deal? Can do that anytime.

    If the agents are truly unreasonable, Luck could be tagged for the 1st time in 2017 and Wilson could be tagged a second time. Both teams could use a draft pick on a QB next year to add to their leverage. Eventually the players will want a big pile of guaranteed money and the sides will agree on something that splits today’s differences.

  18. Please stop comparing Wilson to QB’s that have been in the league 5, 8, 10 years. Compare him to other QB’s after 3 years. LMAO Bwhahahahaha

    Pay DaMan……

  19. They’ll franchise tag him for 2016. I believe that will give him a huge raise to the average of the highest paid QB’s.
    Then they can trade him in 2017 before the cap hit.
    If they are smart they’ll try and work it out before 2016. Pay the man. He’s brought until millions to the Seattle franchise. Just raise the tickets prices and let the loser 12th Women pay his salary.

  20. Dude doesn’t deserve what he thinks he derserves. 25% of whatever he gets should go to Lynch. Another 25% should go to the defense. He wants to be payed for his fake image and post-game comments that he practices in front of a mirror. Good guy, but the Hawks shouldn’t fall for that crap.

  21. It seems like a lot of money till you look at 66000 tickets at $150…$9,900000.00 per home game plus concessions and marketing properties, TV fees… Those poor Owners are hardly scraping by.
    But then again it’s Russell “all about me” Wilson.

  22. If I am honest, I think Russell Wilson is a solid game manager. I, however, do not think he is a supreme talent. I suspect that the Seahawks think the same thing.

    They know they are going to have to pay more that his talent would ordinarily command due to the success the team has experienced with Wilson at the helm. Then the question becomes how much more. I suspect Wilson would command a huge deal on the open market so long as he does not crash and burn this season.

    This could lead to the Seahawks franchising him assuming no Super Bowl appearance this season and not using the exclusive rights version. They may not be averse to 2 first round picks.

    I really think the Cam Newton contract really made thing more difficult for the Seahawks. This is going to be interesting.

  23. Please pay this Ewok sized QB. Heck he makes an undrafted CB look like a hall of famer when Butler intercepted him on the one yard line.

  24. This guy will end up in Chicago playing for the Bears.

    My psychic hotline reading told me that.

  25. Russell Wilson should earn based not upon his stats but upon his intangibles. Sure, you can draft another rookie with a good arm and mobility. And if you have that defense with Marshawn Lynch pounding the rock, you’ve got a decent chance to win games. But you can’t underestimate what a leader does for you in the locker room.

  26. Yes, you can franchise him but he does not have to show up until the day before the season starts or game 10 to get credit for a year. Seattle can not go franchise route. They would have lost most of the little leverage they have with a star player.

  27. I believe Wilson will play an Emmit Smith move and sit out the first few games. His leverage now is to not play. When the offense stalls, Seattle will pay. He should not risk injury this year until he gets a market contract.

  28. “Seahawks or someone else will pay him…..”

    Funny to imagine the 12th Man’s reaction if he
    went elsewhere!

  29. Considering the accuracy of past predictions by the peanut gallery, the arm-chair GMs here crack me up. 🙂

  30. Russell’s problem is that he is significantly better than what the Seahawks budgeted for in a third round draft pick. Seahawks avoid first rounders for a reason – $$$$. He deserves more than Luck and Newton and any of the others. The question is not whether Seattle wants him but can they afford him? A few more passes to hit the minimum yardage and Wilson is #2 in the all time QBR. He’s won more games (a number of times coming from behind – those wins can’t be pinned on the defense), excels under high pressure be it playoffs or facing top ranked opponents, and he doesn’t make any embarrassing missteps off field. He’s going to get paid, the only question is where and Seahawks have first dibs.

  31. This is bull, finish your contract now then ask for more………………….. and if you want to try baseball good luck……………Mr. horse teeth started all this bull ( GAY ELWAY )

  32. Schneider needs to quit thinking he and Pete are QB whisperers. Before they struck the lottery with Wilson, they thought Tavaris Jackson and Matt Flynn were the answers in Seattle. How’d that work out?

    Get a deal done and quit messing around. This is getting quite stupid.

  33. What a pickle Russell must be in. Take the guaranteed signing bonus money and $20mil now for however long the team wants to pay him or play this year out and hope you don’t suffer a career limiting injury. You hope it doesn’t happen but it can. $18-20mil per season seems appropriate. He isn’t Rodgers, but he isn’t Tannehill.

  34. a simple look around the league at what other QBs are making tells me Wilson is going to get some bucks.. not sure how much, but I’d bet $20 million a year easily..

  35. putthatkoolaiddown says:
    Jun 8, 2015 3:51 PM
    The Hawks better be careful. His agent is big in baseball, and Wilson thinks he can play at the MLB level, as we saw on HBO. Those contracts are fully guaranteed, and the concussion factor is a lot lower in baseball. That is his ultimate trump card, and if they piss him off he could leave them hanging and just walk out
    ——————————————-
    Lol. You’re kidding right? I mean, this was facetious, wasn’t it? Wilson couldn’t play AA ball, let alone MLB.

  36. if i was wilson id try to get a deal done now because if you get injured or the team gets the injury bug and its an 8-8 missed playoff year or whatever you won’t get as much. Seahawks must realize and Wilson is that just because the bears, ravens, panthers and dolphins overpaid for their quarterbacks it doesn’t mean that they should. if i was wilson i would get a Tom Brady contract but for more money since he’s a lot younger. 5yr-80 million fully guaranteed

  37. They’re waiting for Bobby Wagner to get his deal done first, then crunch the numbers, probably lose Irvin in the process, and go from there by using the franchise tag on Wilson with a high paying but not over the top 4 year deal. Bet on it.

  38. Russell’s statistics have gotten worse each year he’s in the league. As the Seahawks defense continues its atrophy more and more will be saddled on him.

    I predict he’s out of Seattle in 2 years if not sooner.

  39. First, anyone that calls Wilson a “game manager” is comparing him to Andy Dalton. That’s just a lack of football knowledge…your embarrassing yourselves.

    Obviously, you don’t watch the games…and your basically guessing. If you say “his stats” as some kind of excuse….again, you don’t watch the games….and your guessing.

    Wilson is a playmaker and tough to beat. He knows the game well, excellent at reading defenses and makes great decisions. The Hawks aren’t in some lame conference like the NFC South or AFC (any division). He wins in the NFC west, who have some of the best coaches & defenses in the country. I can’t stand Wilson…that’s how good he is! Pay the man!

  40. morr24 says:
    Jun 8, 2015 4:19 PM

    If I am honest, I think Russell Wilson is a solid game manager. I, however, do not think he is a supreme talent. I suspect that the Seahawks think the same thing…
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Wilson’s ability to escape the rush is off the charts. He is pretty much what RGIII is supposed to be without the injuries. And he is a terrific team leader.

    But he is nowhere near an elite QB in terms of reading defenses, audibles,etc. and wouldn’t expect him to be at this point of his career. He should be paid commensurate with top 10 QBs, but not top 5.

  41. morr24.so are you an experienced scout/head coach/general manager?

    ———————————————————————————-

    No, I am just a fan with opinions……Panthers fan. I do admire Seattle’s success. This is a dilemma borne of that success.

    I am very interested in how Seattle ultimately handles it. Their continued success may have its basis in the outcome of this negotiation.

  42. Of course this will get done, eventually.

    But the problem is that the Hawks are going to be forced to drastically overpay for him compared to what other QB’s who have a better skill set that aren’t carried as much by a defense and run game.

    He needs to get paid, but don’t fool yourself…the advantage they had in signing core talent around him was HUGE when they were paying him peanuts. The overall talent will go down as they will not be able to retain it all when they are paying Wilson.

  43. Wilson didn’t have to cheat to get to the Superbowl….he only had to be an elite QB in Aaron Rodgers.

  44. lefty3208 says:
    Jun 8, 2015 4:38 PM
    This is bull, finish your contract now then ask for more………………….. and if you want to try baseball good luck……………Mr. horse teeth started all this bull ( GAY ELWAY )
    _________________________________________

    I’d agree with you teams honored their contracts to players. I never understood why fans get on players when teams almost never honor their contracts.

  45. I mean this question genuinely … When fans on this site refer to Wilson as “not a real quarterback” or “just your average game manager,” are they being sincere? Or are they really that stupid?

    – A Titans Fan Who’s 2,500 Miles Away

  46. Now that he’s dumped his trailer park ex-wife, he’s free to marry a wealthy super-model, which will allow him to take less-than-market salary in return for a better supporting cast. Or did someone already do that?

  47. Read my lips: Nothing will on this or Wags until December, when the year-1 cap hit can be spread between 2015-2016, just like they did last year with Wright and Avril. This will lower the cap hit over both years. In the end, he’ll sign for 4 years, $87 million, with the biggest signing bonus ever given an NFL player.

    Please pay attention. This is why the Seahawks always stomp on your team. Because they are smarter than your team is.

  48. Wake up call for Wilson? There once was a giant who played basketball for the Orlando Magic. The time came to renew his contract and though they had max money, they insulted him by low-balling him.

    The rest is history. The Seahawks have selective memory. The single component that catapulted them to the national scene is Russell Wilson. Before him no one could find Seattle on a map.

    Russell already saved Schneider’s bacon once, by winning the job over Flynn. Now he risks his legacy by mishandling Wilson’s deal. Time on Russell’s side.

  49. tennesseeoilers says:

    I mean this question genuinely … When fans on this site refer to Wilson as “not a real quarterback” or “just your average game manager,” are they being sincere? Or are they really that stupid?

    – A Titans Fan Who’s 2,500 Miles Away
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    They’re not that stupid. They’re just afraid of what it means if Wilson really is as great player as he appears to be, so they are grasping at straws.

  50. Newton’s contract should be the ceiling for Wilson but it’ll probably be the floor.

    Wilson’s a very good qb who makes it all work; however that’s a historic defense and historic running back which forms the real backbone of the Seattle Seahawks

  51. If the Seahawks were to franchise Wilson next year the amount they would have to pay him would be around $19 or 20 million. If they use an exclusive tag then likely $21 to 22 million.

    The problem is that Wilson will then have major leverage in a couple of ways:

    1. The tag hits the team’s cap immediately. There is no wiggle room to spread the cap hit like signing bonus.

    2. If the team can’t get a deal done for 2017 and franchises Wilson again that cap hit would be 120% of the last year’s tag or about $26 million. And again the team cap will be hit hard.

    3. A third tag will push the number to $30 million

    So if Wilson is Franchised the agent will demand something in the neighborhood of $70 million in guarantees.

    Don’t mess around with your QB. Pay him now because the closer he gets to free agency the more expensive it will be to sign him. The only leverage the team has is the injury risk the player takes on with 1 year contracts. Bit with the sorry state of QB play and the high demand for any decent QB I think short of a career ending injury a QB like Wilson will still command big money even if he gets injured.

  52. Agents do things like this? You mean, in my best interest and all?

    ~Adrian Peterson

  53. “morr24.so are you an experienced scout/head coach/general manager?”

    C’mon. Everyone who posts here has an opinion, no one is claiming to be an experienced scout/head coach/general manager.

    That’s what makes this site fun. We all have our opinion.

  54. The problem with guys that have outplayed their contracts is agents will often try to recoup that money too. CNEWTON money doesn’t get it done. He’s gonna want top 2-3 money. Seattle has franchise leverage next year, but if they wait until then he’ll hit the market. Meanwhile Luck is waiting in the wings.

  55. After the agents 16 page diatribe, I would send in my response of 1 roll of 2 ply TP. And I love Wilson, but dont try and put the screws to me on this. 1 man does not a Dynasty make.

  56. lambeaudungbarn says:
    Jun 8, 2015 5:43 PM
    How much is a SUPER BOWL worth, but with the luck the Browns have had drafting a QB in the past
    30 years they’d give 6 or 7 1st round picks for him!
    __________________________
    This is probably the dumbest thing I have ever read on PFT. Six or seven first rounds for ANYONE is asinine. Especially for a guy who throws four picks in the NFC Championship.

  57. Look Seattle, you know the procedure: When your players get you to the playoffs, they get paid. Over the cap? Don’t pay the ones you can afford to lose. Russell Wilson is not one you can afford to lose. Duh

  58. I don’t hear him ending interviews with “Go Hawks!” anymore.
    Maybe Rogers included it in his position paper?

    Or was he advocating a “position” akin to Doug Baldwin’s Super Bowl Pose?

  59. Seahawkboymike you are spot on……..If Russell doesn’t sign for between $84-$87 million over 4 years he will be leaving money on the table. Seattle is actually in good shape salary cap wise,nothing like 2-3 years ago when the Avrils and Bennetts came aboard , but they can keep the roster in tact for the most part.
    It’ll hurt when the Okungs,Irvins,Mebanes,etc start to leave ,but this is how this business works. At least the guys who are getting the big bucks are producing. Kam Chancellor may be their best bargain this season, Unless Wilson foolishly plays for 1.5 mill. But that choir boy doesn’t do anything too foolish.( ok start in with the ” except when he’s got 2nd and 1 in the SB…….” Lol

  60. Seahawkboymike you are spot on……..If Russell doesn’t sign for between $84-$87 million over 4 years he will be leaving money on the table. Seattle is actually in good shape salary cap wise,nothing like 2-3 years ago when the Avrils and Bennetts came aboard , but they can keep the roster in tact for the most part.
    It’ll hurt when the Okungs,Irvins,Mebanes,etc start to leave ,but this is how this business works. At least the guys who are getting the big bucks are producing. Kam Chancellor may be their best bargain this season, Unless Wilson foolishly plays for 1.5 mill. But that choir boy doesn’t do anything too foolish.( ok start in with the ” except when he’s got 2nd and 1 in the SB…….” Lol

  61. seahawkboymike says:
    Jun 8, 2015 5:21 PM

    tennesseeoilers says:

    I mean this question genuinely … When fans on this site refer to Wilson as “not a real quarterback” or “just your average game manager,” are they being sincere? Or are they really that stupid?

    – A Titans Fan Who’s 2,500 Miles Away
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    They’re not that stupid. They’re just afraid of what it means if Wilson really is as great player as he appears to be, so they are grasping at straws.
    ————–o——————————————

    I don’t call him any of those things. However, I have referred to him as a choker and opined about perhaps the worst quarterbacking of a team in a conference title game his team won ever. By the way, there were 7 balls that should have been intercepted. Not just the 4 that were.

    If you transpose Luck and Wilson, and you think Wilson would lead Indy to the playoffs, you are just wrong. Chances are Luck would be a 2 time SB winner, and I doubt the rub/slant wouldn’t have been thrown. It wasn’t a simple slant like people say, it was a scissors or rub play. He had to know the DB would crash on the outside guy after he (should have) saw the outside DB pickup the slot or rub WR.

  62. Pay the man.

    Or do you REALLY want to go back to the Rick Mirer era, Seattle?

    It’s the fact of today’s NFL. The top QB’s get paid the most. Because if you don’t have one, you are the Browns, Jags, and Redskins of the world.

  63. All you guys saying “pay the man” forgot there’s a salary cap. He’s had the number 1 defense and top running back and if he wants to continue to enjoy that……..

    Not Seattle FO’s fault that Carolina overpaid Newton.

  64. Russell Wilson would be a fool to step on the field for $1.5 million because the extreme risk of injury. He’d be better off signing for 75% of what Cam got paid than to play another season for $1.5 million.

  65. It’s so awesome that the Panthers rolled over on that contract for superScam. It has really put the seaFrauds in a bind. And it also puts little Russ in a bind, too.

    1 – Sit out the first few games of the season to make them appreciate your value — no playoffs

    2 – Try to keep up your lucky play style and reckless gambles and finally get the injury you have been barely missing for the last 3 seasons — no playoffs and less money

    3 – Go play baseball… LOL! — no playoffs, unless the Rangers AA team makes a run at whatever tournament minor league’rs go to AND you definitely won’t get paid anything close to the $1.5 that you’re getting now.

    The seahacks are on the precipice of implosion. Peace out, 1-2’s.

  66. If I could pick a quarterback, most people would pick in this order

    Aaron Rodgers
    Tom Brady
    Andrew Luck
    Peyton Manning
    Ben Roethlisberger
    ___________

    After that I have to pick Russell Wilson hands down and maybe even higher than a couple of the above named.

    No doubt, he’s special. And that means it’s hard to put a precise number on him.

    Soon enough we’ll all find out how special he is

  67. KIR says:
    Jun 8, 2015 6:11 PM
    Can someone make a list of better QB’s after their 3rd year.

    ——

    After his first 4 years, Tom Brady was the owner of 3 Super Bowls rings and was MVP in 2 of them. Is that any good?

  68. Florio, you’re wrong on this one.

    The Hawks have the leverage, not Wilson.

    From Wilsons perspective, he can sign now and likely get $60m guaranteed or play for $1.5m and risk being an injury away from losing it all.

    Yes, it could cost the Hawks more next year but the cap will be $30m higher and Wilson will have proven himself with better receivers or they’ll franchise him. However it’ll make no sense for Wilson to leave if he wants to win and keep his public persona intact.

  69. After his first 4 years, Tom Brady was the owner of 3 Super Bowls rings and was MVP in 2 of them. Is that any good?

    Wow. Considering he went to only one SB in his first three seasons that’s an impressive year 4.

    Pats fans have problems with facts…

    Or honesty.

    Documented Serial Cheaters

  70. Mark my words – this time next year – Russ will not be the QB of the Hawks. Call it a hunch
    ———————————–

    Mark my words – now, same as this time next year – You are a jealous Hawk hater. Call it a hunch

    Best Regards

  71. realitycheckbaby says:
    Jun 8, 2015 8:41 PM

    Wow. Considering he went to only one SB in his first three seasons that’s an impressive year 4.

    —–

    I’m sorry–I didn’t know you wanted me to include his rookie season behind Drew Bledsoe (1-3 passing, 6 yards) in a rational discussion of greatness. Russell Wilson never had to unseat a Super Bowl QB to win the position.

    Then, in fact, it was 3 out of 4 years that culminated in Super Bowl victories. My bad.

    As an aside–your fumble obsession makes you appear insane. A + B does not equal C, no matter how much you want it to with your junkyard science. You’d do well to back off of that notion if you want anyone to take you seriously.

  72. ikeclanton says:
    Jun 8, 2015 10:08 PM

    I’m sorry–I didn’t know you wanted me to include his rookie season behind Drew Bledsoe (1-3 passing, 6 yards) in a rational discussion of greatness. Russell Wilson never had to unseat a Super Bowl QB to win the position.

    Then, in fact, it was 3 out of 4 years that culminated in Super Bowl victories. My bad.

    As an aside–your fumble obsession makes you appear insane. A + B does not equal C, no matter how much you want it to with your junkyard science. You’d do well to back off of that notion if you want anyone to take you seriously.

    Good disingenuous Patriot. Good for you.

    When someone said no QB has had Wilson’s success over their first three years, you said Brady had three rings in his first four years blah blah blah. So you were just fudging the numbers and being dishonest, huh?

    Makes sense.

    Kind of like the lame excuses and math “explaining” the Pats’ ability to miraculously cut fumbles in half in one off season – well other than the obvious explanation of deflating balls.

    DSC

  73. As an aside–your fumble obsession makes you appear insane.
    ————————–

    It doesn’t seem insane to me, but I am not a Patri*ts homer so maybe that is why huh……

    Patri*ts fans are delusional

    Best Regards

  74. Did that Patriot fan try discount a rookie year because Brady rode the pine? How delusional are these guys? Nobody respects your team or any of their “victories”.

    Pete Rose, Lance Armstrong, Barry Bonds, Alex Rodriguez, Tom Brady.

    ****

  75. If I was Wilson I’d wait for Luck to sign his extension and then let that be the floor for negotiations.

    Those that call him a “game manager” clearly either haven’t watched him play a whole lot or are delusional!!!

    Do we really need to re-hash the fact that this Seahawks Back to Back Super Bowl roster is basically the same main pieces(LOB & BeastMode) that went 7-9 with Tavaris Jackson?

    Tavaris Jackson is a game manager BTW(in case you needed a reference point on what one of those looks like)

    I laugh because he actually has better stats than most people think yet he still gets labeled a “game manager”.

    NFL records and achievements
    Tied for most passing touchdowns in a season by a rookie (26, alongside Peyton Manning)
    Most passing yards in a playoff game by a rookie (385 yards)[80]
    Most regular season wins by a quarterback in his first two seasons (24); most total wins in first two seasons (28, including playoffs)[81]
    Most regular season wins by a quarterback in his first three seasons (36)
    First quarterback to throw for 300+ yards and rush for 100+ yards in a single game (vs St. Louis Rams) (10/19/14)

  76. In 2013, the Seahawks had Marshawn Lynch and the same core defense, but the LOB was actually better because Browner was playing well and violent, and QBs were actually throwing at Sherman (who had one of the best statistical seasons of any CB ever).

    Yet, the Seahawks went 7-9 and missed the playoffs.

    In Russell Wilson’s first 3 seasons, he’s been the most consistently successful NFL QB in history. Seattle has been to the Superbowl in 2 of those seasons. Not one of you haters can say the same about your own teams (but I expect the noob Pats fans to chime in about Brady, not realizing he only went to a single SB in his first 3 seasons, missing the playoffs entirely in his third). Not even Peyton Manning enjoyed more success.

    So pardon me while I kick back, throw my feet up, and laugh at all the haters. Big old belly laugh. Keep yappin, suckers. It just makes it all so much more awesome for the 12th Man. Russell Wilson is a GOD in the Emerald City, and all your hate just makes it sweeter for us. Russell Wilson is a better player and a better man than any player on your team, and deep down, you know it too. God it has to suck to see him in the blue and green and know he’s going to own the NFL for the next 15-20 years, just like Brady did.

    Ha ha!
    Nelson Muntz was laughing at you!

  77. Listen we all know eventually that defense is going to decline. If he’s my Quarterback I wait to pay him until he has to carry the team. Or at least until he consistently has to score 25-30 a game to win. At the very minimum I would wait until he loses his advantage in time of possession.

    I’m not saying he can’t be a too echelon QB. I’m saying we don’t know yet. He was put into the best position his 1st 3 year in the league of any QB over the last 3 decades. Maybe of all time.

    The Seattle defense is the 1 of the best we’ve ever seen. Up there with the Bears. He’s also had a helluva a line and the best rb you could possibly have for a young QB in Lynch. Maybe he didn’t have the top line wrs but he had a lot of quality players. Tate is a borderline 1 he also had baldwin, Rice, Kearse, Harvin, Lockette Butler, plus very reliable TE in Miller and McCoy.

    He hasn’t really be asked to do as much because of that defense, line, and Lynch. So if Im Seattle I wait and see how he plays this year, and if he’s anything except lights out I franchise him and see how 2016 goes. If I have to I would do it again for 2017.

    Thats only because Wilson seems to be looking for a contract that guys like Brees, Brady, Manning, Eli etc. get. The ones that give legit ate guaranteed money and force teams to keep the player around for multiple years. Not contracts like Kap, Dalton, and Cam signed, The ones that can be voided after 2 years and not cost the team another dime.

    If Wilson was willing to sign a 6 year $120m contract with $40m guaranteed but gets paid out the 1st 2 years of the contract. If I’m Seattle I do that all day. But that’s not what Wilson wants. He wants that 40 spread over 4 years with another 10 coming each year he’s on the roster. Which for all intents and purposes keeps the Seahawks on the hook for the life of the guaranteed money.

    Which is smart if your Wilson, but if you want that kind of contract you have to be ready to prove yourself even more.

  78. I’m sure the letter contains some facts like this:

    In 2011, when the Legion of Boom (Thomas, Sherman, Chancellor, Maxwell, Thurmond, Browner) were on the team, it went 7-9 with a game manager type QB. In 2012, the team went 11-5 and won a playoff game with Russell Wilson tying Peyton’s rookie record for TD passes with 26 (and only threw 10 INT instead of 28). Russell Wilson actually would have had them at least in the NFC Championship as a rookie after throwing for 385 yards against Atlanta and reclaiming the lead after they fell behind 20-0. Unfortunately, the LOB couldn’t cover Gonzalez and Douglas in the last 30 seconds, and gave up a GW field goal to lose 30-28.

    In his second year, Wilson again had 26 TD passes and 10 INT, despite his starting receivers being Doug Baldwin and Jermaine Kearse most of the year (who would be #3s on most other teams). He threw the GW deep TD pass in the NFC Championship game and won the Super Bowl.

    In his third year, he had 20 TD and 7 INT, despite Baldwin and Kearse being his starting receivers. He has been the most pressured (although not most hit) QB over past 2 seasons, a number that looks even worse when adjusted for lower amount of pass attempts. He had a nice divisional game, terrible NFC Championship game, but again threw a GW deep TD pass to Kearse. Had a good Super Bowl, but Malcolm Butler diagnosed pre-snap a play the Patriots had specifically prepared for and blew up Ricardo Lockette and took the ball. The hidden great play was Browner jamming Kearse so that Kearse was not able to obstruct Butler with his route as planned.

    Wilson has been proving people wrong literally his whole life. The Seahawks would be unwise to not pay him and return to the strong defense/cheap QB days of 2011. That gets you to 7 or 8 wins, maybe 9 you play in a bad division like Houston. He is going to get more expensive every month, especially now that he has been given Jimmy Graham to throw to. An exclusive franchise tag would cost up to $24 million in 2016 and provide a contract benchmark. If they did not use the exclusive tag, a team is guaranteed to give up two #1s to sign him (Houston, Cleveland, NYJ, St. Louis or Arz-damn!, WSH, Philly would consider).

    Schneider would lose his job when the team returned to mediocrity. He is great in mid to late rounds, but finding a good QB outside the 1st round is like winning the jackpot, no matter how good of a GM you are. Some years like 2013, there just aren’t any good QBs in any round.

  79. Luck, as a 1st round pick, will go on the 5th-year extension option, which Wilson doesn’t have. Wilson will have to finalize his contract long before the Colts will do anything with Luck (which they have already stated).

    This is just another step in the dance. I suspect Schneider will set talks aside for a bit while they deal with Wagner, then refocus on Wilson.

  80. I stole these stats for another source, but there will still be some that will say, ” the facts, although interest, are totally irrelevant”.

    – Wilson is the first QB in NFL history with a passer rating of over 95.0 in each of his first three seasons.
    – Wilson has 24 games with a passer rating of 100+ in his first three seasons…more than any other QB in NFL history. Flacco, Marino, and Palmer are tied for second with 19.
    – Wilson leads all QB’s in the NFL over the last 3 years with 10- 4th quarter comebacks and 15- game-winning drives. No other QB in NFL history has ever done this in their first 3 years.
    – He is one of only five players with at least 20 touchdown passes in each of first three seasons.
    – Wilson is the first and only QB in the Super Bowl era to have average yards per attempt of 7.6 or better in each of his first three seasons.
    – Wilson’s career yards per passing attempt of 7.9 is fourth-best of all QB’s since 1951.
    – Wilson is ranked #1 in career postseason yards per attempt. His career average of 9.01 (min. 200 pass attempts) is the highest in NFL history.
    – Wilson is the only QB in NFL history to appear in two SB’s in his first three seasons.
    – Wilson holds the record for most passing yards in a playoff game by a rookie QB with 385 yards. The old record was set in 1937 by Sammy Baugh with 335 yards…that record stood for 75 years.
    – Wilson is ranked at #2 in all-time career passer rating (min. 1200 attempts) with a 98.6. Only Aaron Rodgers has a higher career passer rating.
    – Wilson’s passer rating of 98.6 for a player’s first 3 years is the best in NFL history.
    – Including postseason, Wilson’s passer rating of 98.5 for a player’s first three years is the best in NFL history.
    – Wilson’s postseason passer rating of 97.8 in his first three years is the best in NFL history.
    – Wilson’s career postseason passer rating of 97.8 (min. 200 attempts) is the 5th best in NFL history.
    – Wilson’s TD% of 5.8% in his first three years is the 2nd highest in NFL history; only Dan Marino is higher with 6.9%.
    – Wilson’s INT% of 2.1% in his first three years is the lowest of any QB in NFL history.
    – Wilson is ranked #2 all-time with a career TD to INT ratio of 2.77 (min. 1200 attempts) behind only Rodgers.
    – Wilson is ranked #3 all-time with a career INT rate of only 2.1%, behind only Rodgers and Brady.
    – Wilson is the first and only QB in NFL history to throw for 300+ yards and run for 100+ yards (313 & 106) in the same game…against the Rams on 10-19-14.
    – Only one QB in NFL history had more than one season with more than 20 TD passes and 10 or fewer interceptions in his first three seasons: Wilson, who has had three such seasons.
    – His 72 touchdowns are the seventh-most ever through a player’s first three seasons.
    – Including the postseason, Wilson has 84 passing TD’s in his first three seasons, 4th-most in NFL history.
    – Including the postseason, Wilson has 97 passing and rushing TD’s in his first three seasons, 3rd-most in NFL history.
    – Wilson is ranked #12 all-time for most passing yards by a QB in his first three years with 9950 yards.
    – Including the postseason, Wilson is ranked #5 all-time for passing yards by a QB in his first three years with 11770 yards.
    – Wilson is ranked #5 all-time for most total yards (passing + rushing) by a QB in his first three years with 11827 yards.
    – Including the postseason, Wilson is ranked #2 all-time for most total yards (passing and rushing) by a QB in his first three years with 13902 yards.
    – Wilson has the 2nd highest career yards per attempt in SB history with 9.85 yards, behind only Terry Bradshaw.
    – Wilson has the 3rd highest career passer rating in SB history with a 117.39, behind only Joe Montana and Jim Plunkett.
    – Wilson has the 6th highest career completion % in SB history with 65.22%.
    – Wilson has the 4th highest yards per attempt in a SB game with 11.76 yards in SB49.
    – Wilson’s 1,877 rushing yards is second-most by a QB in the modern era through three seasons behind Cam Newton’s 2,032 yards.
    – Including the postseason, Wilson has the most rushing yards for a QB in NFL history in his first three seasons with 2132 yards.
    – Wilson led all NFL rushers in 2014 with an average of 7.2 yards per carry.
    – Wilson has a record of having had a lead at some point in 56 straight games since 2012…the old record was 45 games…Also, in those 56 games, Wilson has never lost an NFL game by more than 9 points.
    – Wilson has won 36 games in his first 3 seasons; three more than any other QB in NFL history.
    – Including the postseason, Wilson has won 42 games in his first three seasons; 6 more than any other QB in NFL history.

  81. I guess that proves my point. If the only QB you guys can name is Brady in 4 seasons, when the question was clearly better QB’s in their first 3 seasons.

  82. 49er fans know Wilson is pretty good. He is a top QB and probably deserves to get paid like that.

    Question for Seattle is how can you best continue the run? It is an interesting question. Do you low-ball Wilson and hope he takes a hometown discount or do you pay him what he wants? Do you tag him for a couple of years, hoping that’s your best way to keep the band together?

    What if a team tried to keep drafting QBs and letting them walk after 3-4 years when they get expensive, all the while putting the absolute best team around them? Would that work? Is an extra $20-25 million in cap space per year enough to make up for a QB that might not be stellar?

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