Long before Deflategate, Shaq let the air out of basketballs

As Tom Brady faces a four-game suspension for Deflategate, Shaquille O’Neal says deflating balls is no big deal.

O’Neal says that during his NBA career, he would regularly let air out of basketballs, and he sees nothing wrong with it.

“Sometimes, in the games during all my championship runs, if a ball was too hard, I let air out,” O’Neal said on his podcast, via ESPN. “I’d have a needle. A friend of mine would have a needle and I would get the game ball. . . . I needed that extra grip, but I wasn’t doing that for cheating purposes. I just needed the extra grip for my hands so I could palm it, a la Michael Jordan, the way he used to palm it.”

O’Neal doesn’t consider what he did to be cheating.

“Because, first of all, I’m not aware of any letter of the law that says, you can’t let air out of the ball,” O’Neal said. “I’m not aware of that. Second of all, it’s all about my [comfort level]. A lot of times, if the balls have too much air in them, they’re too bouncy. I didn’t want them to be bouncy. I needed that grip.”

ESPN also passes along old quotes from Phil Jackson, who won two NBA titles as a player on the Knicks, six as the coach of the Bulls and five as the coach of the Lakers. Jackson said in 1986 that he and his teammates on the Knicks regularly deflated basketballs.

“What we used to do was deflate the ball,” Jackson said. “We were a short team with our big guys like Willis [Reed], our center, only about 6-8 and Jerry Lucas also 6-8, [Dave] DeBusschere, 6-6. So what we had to rely on was boxing out and hoping the rebound didn’t go long. To help ensure that, we’d try to take some air out of the ball. You see, on the ball it says something like ‘inflate to 7 to 9 pounds.’ We’d all carry pins and take the air out to deaden the ball. It also helped our offense because we were a team that liked to pass the ball without dribbling it, so it didn’t matter how much air was in the ball. It also kept other teams from running on us because when they’d dribble the ball, it wouldn’t come up so fast.”

Later, as coach of the Bulls, Jackson reportedly caught other teams altering the air pressure in basketballs in an effort to get an edge against Michael Jordan.

Despite all that, an NBA spokesman said there’s no record of the NBA ever disciplining anyone for deflating basketballs. In the NBA, deflating balls is viewed as no big deal. In the NFL, it’s become a very big deal.

173 responses to “Long before Deflategate, Shaq let the air out of basketballs

  1. It’s only a big deal because it’s the Patriots. It’s pretty obvious that this witch hunt has gone on to hysterical levels of foolishness.

  2. Even if this is true the difference is that both teams still used that same ball. One team wasnt using a legit ball and the other a ball that does not fit withing specified pressure

  3. Keep trying to cover up for Shady Brady. NFL is not the NBA. Stop comparing Apples to Rocks because they are not even in the same class.

  4. while we are at it, let’s just change the shape and size of the ball to better suit our playing style. Heck, let’s just change some the rules that don’t suit our playing style as well. GIMME A BREAK… the whole idea of this is consistency so anyone of these players can step on the court or the football field and know exactly how that ball is going to feel and perform. changing it unbeknownst to the other player is the very definition of cheating. unless of course, he has a different definition much like the pressure in his basketballs

  5. Different sport, different rules, different everything. This doesn’t mean anything vs. football as the game is not the same. Plus all the players use the same ball – same advantages.

  6. It should be controlled in every sport by the League and officials. At least in NBA both teams use the same ball, but it still should be controlled by the officials, not a specific team or player.

  7. ya but he didn’t dominate in the NFL and get all the cry babies’ all upset so it’s not a big deal.

    Brady is the GOAT. There, I said it.

    -colts fan.

  8. “Because, first of all, I’m not aware of any letter of the law that says, you can’t let air out of the ball,” O’Neal said. “I’m not aware of that. Second of all, it’s all about my [comfort level]. A lot of times, if the balls have too much air in them, they’re too bouncy. I didn’t want them to be bouncy. I needed that grip.”
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    Ignorance of the rules is about as good an excuse as “everybody’s doing it”.
    Also Brady told the Ravens to “read the rule book” implying he has a strong understanding of everything that is written in there. There is no excuse. Tainted legacy tainted franchise tainted coach and of course 4 T*int*ed T*tles

  9. Again it’s not a big deal in the NFL either.
    It’s just an excuse for the CRYBABIES of other teams to have an excuse as to why the Patriots/Tom Brady are so good and the team they root for isn’t.

  10. You’re right, in the NFL it’s BECOME a big deal, but only because it’s the Patriots. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY ever cared about ball inflation until the AFCCG.

  11. it was never a big deal in the NFL either until “11 out of 12 footballs 2 or more PSI below legal” without immediate correction by the NFL made it a big deal, which is exactly what they wanted, fully knowing it wasn’t even true.

    It’s not like it turned out that the NFL was “more probable than not generally aware” that that statement was false.

    THEY KNEW IT WAS FALSE FROM THE MOMENT IT WAS PUBLISHED!

    And yet, they allowed the hate to fester, like an infected boil with puss oozing out.

    Integrity? Right.

  12. If you ever saw Shaq try to make a free throw, you’d know why he had to take air out. Ugliest shot in the NBA ever.

  13. Have you watched the NBA. There are no rules in the league other than anything goes and our refs are on the take!

  14. interesting, no NBA rule to break…no NBA rules broken.
    its too bad that the NFL has rules on this. if there were no rules, the the Patriots would have 1 less * to blanket their “achievements”.

    Tom has small hands. poor guy.

  15. free tom brady…..what a crock of crap this made up investigation is…….suspend the ravens and colts for this junk…..

    brady is the GOAT of this generation and all true sport fans know this…..all former players understand there is this stuff going on in all sports to get an edge……

    if you dont like chaeating then stop watching sports!!!!!!

    all teams do it….so what!!!!!!

  16. except for the fact that in an NBA game both teams play with the same ball while in the NFL cheating brady was only changing the way his balls were altered.

  17. So, DID the Patriots deflate the ball or not?

    Patriots homers and their apologists, mostly still deny it happened, but then they also love to point out any story about “similar” things – even from other sports. Talk about having it both ways.

    “We didn’t do it, but, even if we did….”

    Anxiously awaiting the breaking news story, that Babe Ruth used to hide baseballs in the dugout that he thought felt weren’t up to his snuff….

  18. I am so glued to the NFL Network. I cant wait to see where The Greatest QB in NFL History lands on the Top 100 players of 2015. My guess is Tom “Terrific” lands #1 or 2

  19. I do not like cheating, the NBA, NASCAR, those competitors who rationalize their lack of integrity to gain a edge or the fans who condone their “heroes” doing so

  20. Shaq is full of the hot air that he claims to have taken out of the basketballs.

    It’s impossible to deflate a basketball without either a referee or player noticing. They bounce this ball on EVERY play! I’m a hack and can instantly tell when a ball is a tad low and we switch it out ASAP…..

  21. Shaq likes his basketballs balls deflated for grip.
    Phil Jackson likes his basketballs deflated to help with passing and to try and gain an edge on opponents.

    But only Tom Brady is the cheater. Right Pats haters? Only he should have the asterisk? Only Tom brady was affecting the “integrity of the game” or whatever the hell that means, right?

  22. I think any team that admits to taking the air out of balls should have their championships stripped from them. I do not care if it is Football, Basketball, or Soccer. Cheating is cheating. Just because others have done it does not make it right.

    Isn’t that right Jerry “Stickum” Rice

  23. haha who cares what NBA rules are? What matters are NFL rules- which Tom knew and purposely cheated. And Phil Jackson is a HUGE cheater- he gave his team an advantage b/c they dont dribble as much and wanted less bounce off the rim. Thats like Tom Brady’s team always throwing short passes- so deflating helped them a lot. I dont know how anyone can say “its no big deal”. You are giving yourself an unfair advantage. Period. Thats like PED’s.

  24. For more air tight evidence of how a practically imperceptible amount of air removed from a ball gives you super powers see Shaq’s lights out free throw record.

    I’m shocked Ted Wells missed this revelation.

  25. Raiders fan here speaking only for myself – I agree with Joe Cool. No big deal.

    I think the comments from Mr. O’Neal are tongue in cheek.

  26. Did Shaq change the balls so that the other team played with a non-deflated ball?

    What are the rules in basketball related to air pressure? If they have no rules, then there is nothing to cheat.

    Did Shaq conspire with other employees of the team to cheat the system for maintaining air pressure?

    Did Shaq pay off the other employees for doing his dirty work, or did he cheat by himself?

    They should ask OJ Simpson if he thinks Brady cheated. OJ doesn’t think he cheated either.

  27. The NBA has a system in place to make sure their ball always conforms to league standards. About two hours before the game, Whitley or another Mavericks staffer will take three balls to the officials’ room. The referees then use a gauge to make sure they are inflated properly. They also have a pump in their locker room.

    An NBA ball, to be legal, is supposed to be between seven and nine pounds per square inch (psi). Eight psi is optimal.
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    More and more, the press and general public are starting to realize how ridiculous this is. Except for the hardcore haters(fans and former players of teams the Pats have beaten). Who cares about them, they wouldn’t be convinced if you waterboarded them. Hopefully, Goodell is starting to take notice too.

  28. Good! Let them deflate it! As long as its not obnoxious I want to see good play. If tom can chuck it with accuracy an extra 10 yards for a few psi. GREAT! I love all stars who are even better! #FreeBrady!

  29. Paulrevereshorse, I have an honest question for you. What did/does NFL have to gain by having the face of the NFL being accused of this? What does the NFL get out of Tom Brady being suspended?

  30. Patriot fans are the most delusional fans on the face of the earth. Now it’s like see….everyone does it………..too bad in basketball they all use the same ball. Not like that in football. Brady is a cheater and a fraud. Fact.

  31. the “but everyone used the same ball, so it’s not an advantage” argument is laughable if not completely ignorant. these basketballs were doctored for their OWN preference, not for the preference of everyone on both teams.

  32. Hernandez cheated at rules. OJ Simpson cheated at rules. Lance Armstrong cheated at rules. Tom Brady cheated at rules.

    Therefore according to Patriot fans, Tom Brady isn’t a cheater.

    Actually, they are fine with him cheating, they have an issue only with him being caught. OJ got away with the crime, so Tom Brady should as well. Whereas, Hernandez can’t help them win at football, so Hernandez is a rule cheater.

  33. Already happened last month. Brady came in at #27. Rodgers was the top QB at #2.

    “dcpatfan says:
    Jun 9, 2015 12:35 PM
    I am so glued to the NFL Network. I cant wait to see where The Greatest QB in NFL History lands on the Top 100 players of 2015. My guess is Tom “Terrific” lands #1 or 2”

  34. r8rsfan says:
    Jun 9, 2015 12:38 PM

    Personally, i think every is downplaying this so they aren’t taking a stance against Tom Brady. Anyone can say this is “no big deal” and “didnt really help him” but ive never known someone to risk cheating if they didnt feel like they needed it. Of all the times i stole money from the bank while playing monopoly- i never did it when i had tons of money and winning. I did it b/c i was going bankrupt. If tom felt he could win without risking his and the teams integrity- then he would have. Thats like saying Lance Armstrong would have done just as good without PED’s……..ummm if thats true then he just WOULD HAVE.

  35. Are we going to conflate every PSI related story to Brady cheating? Two different sports, two different impacts. Further, nobody knows if it was a ‘big deal’ or not. That is outside the discussion. If it only caused 3 less fumbles over the period of 5 years, that’s not even noticeable. But… the fact is that the Patriots have never been a dominant team like the 85 Bears. 3 turnovers can be the difference in multiple championships for a team like that. So, the perceived level of import means little to nothing.

  36. everyone is missing the point, despite what all you haters want so badly in your heart, the entire wells report looks to one word “deflator” and assumes that not only were balls being deflated below the legal limit but they were also being deflated after refs inspected them. in fact the only mention of PSI levels is when the refs had them at 16 PSI which is an illegal limit and brady asked them to be at 13 PSI which is a legal limit.

    page 28 of the wells report states that no conclusion can be made without making several assumptions.

    this isn’t a story about deflating balls not being a big deal as the haters and media focus on, but there is not a single shred of evidence that balls were deflated below the legal limit which can legally be done before the refs check them let alone deflating balls after the refs checked them

    once again haters go read the report or at least page 28

  37. @ rocksoup342, Joe Montana said no big deal step up and take your punishment. Brady’s guilty, Brady sits no big deal.

  38. Even if this is true the difference is that both teams still used that same ball. One team wasnt using a legit ball and the other a ball that does not fit withing specified pressure
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    The thing is, changing a ball used by both teams isn’t necessarily fair. Some players may prefer the ball to be bouncy or more pumped up. Aaron Rodgers likes to have his balls at the 13.5 limit, while Tom Brady likes to have his at the 12.5 limit. Would it be fair to Rodgers if Brady had the balls set to 12.5 or would it be fair to Brady if Rodgers had the balls set to 13.5? In actuality, what Shaq was doing was worse than Brady because he may have been affecting the other teams comfort level with the ball. What Brady may have been doing only affected his own team and not the other team.

  39. So Shaq would have had no problem with the other team breaking out a pump and adjusting the ball more to their liking, instead of his? Or is he right because he’s the superstar?

  40. This is a dumb comparison. At the same time, there is absolutely ZERO evidence that Brady had anything to do with any ball tampering. There isn’t even actually ANY evidence of ball tampering at all since the investigator chose to cherry pick information and disregard/twist information from the refs to suit his purposes and justify a $5million investigation. This whole thing is absurd.

  41. jalmy8 says:
    Jun 9, 2015 12:37 PM

    But only Tom Brady is the cheater.
    ——————–

    Absolutely not! His coach is a cheater too. Nobody said Tom was the only cheater in the world.

  42. That’s nice and all, but still waiting for some sort of evidence that the Patriots deflated below legal limit, or even at all.
    And still waiting for Mortensen to give up something about his devastating false leak (lie) from NFL execs.
    I’m not waiting on Goodell to speak of his lying NY officers, because he has proven to possess zero credibility himself in the matter.

  43. Denver**
    Chicago Bulls******
    Knicks**
    Lakers****************
    Heat*
    Steelers ******
    49ers*****
    Yankees*************************

    This assigning astricts business is alot off fun. All of a sudden the Patriots are the cleanest team in proffesional sports.

  44. Deflategate and spygate are both instances of a team accusing another team of something that is/was being done across the league. Both teams (jets/colts) got destroyed by the pats consistently so there cheating accusations are the only way to get a win against the pats b/c they can’t beat them in a real game. Air pressure in the ball is why they lost, really?

  45. Shaq admits that he didn’t know if it was against the rules or not.
    Tom knows it was against the rules and had it donet anyway.

  46. ace3hundred says:
    Jun 9, 2015 12:21 PM

    Even if this is true the difference is that both teams still used that same ball. One team wasnt using a legit ball and the other a ball that does not fit withing specified pressure
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    Exactly… in basketball Jackson had his players deflate the ball to help his teams performance while forcing the other team to use an under-inflated ball. Which, unless that team liked them dead as well gave Jsckson’s team an unfair advantage affecting the “integrity of the game”.
    While in football both teams use balls they are comfortable with. Not an integrity of the game issue, its called gamesmanship.
    Does the Patriot blind hatred really override common sense in people.

  47. If someone else cheats than it’s ok for the Patriots to cheat. We get it.

  48. Shaq’s cheating gave the grip advantage to both teams. Brady’s gives the advantage to his team only as each NFL team supplies the balls they will use while on offense.

  49. theparadoxx82 says:
    Jun 9, 2015 12:58 PM
    Anything that alters a variable is cheating.

    Attach any name you want, still cheating. Just because it happened in the past doesn’t change that.
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    Not entirely. The Pats altering game balls relate to rule violation.

    If there is a known rule against deflating basketball, then it’s cheating…otherwise no.

    It’s like the Steelers of the 70’s using steroids. If the entire team used it, you couldn’t call it cheating. IF they did it today, then yes.

  50. Shouldn’t be a big deal in the NFL either. If the ball is being used only by your team put in extra air or take some out if your team wants.

  51. johnodocks says:
    Jun 9, 2015 1:01 PM

    Shaq’s cheating gave the grip advantage to both teams. Brady’s gives the advantage to his team only as each NFL team supplies the balls they will use while on offense.
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    So Aaron Rodgers is an idiot for wanting the ball over inflated thus decreasing the “grip” advantage. Yah that makes sense.
    Its personal preference that has no impact on the game other than the feel for the QB.Don Shula flooding the field before playoff games when faster teams were coming in “really” was cheating.
    Yet the moral NFL hypocrites called it gamesmanship.

  52. limakey says:
    Jun 9, 2015 12:44 PM

    Paulrevereshorse, I have an honest question for you. What did/does NFL have to gain by having the face of the NFL being accused of this? What does the NFL get out of Tom Brady being suspended?
    —–

    who am I to speculate on what their motive was? I don’t know what their motive was, and I’m certainly not going to make one up.

    However, let me ask you this: The NFL knew the halftime test results at…..get this….halftime. They documented the results, and had officials sign off that those were the results. When Mortenson came out with the “11 or 12 footballs” story, why didn’t the NFL correct that immediately? Why did they make Kraft sign a non-disclosure agreement in order for him to find out those results, in March? Why didn’t they want those results to go public?

  53. It doesn’t matter either way, because the Patriots didn’t do it. Science and the referree’s best recollection prove it. Sorry haters. Now give us some more those your sweet, sweet tear’s (*)

  54. If the Patriots had done ANY of the things other teams were caught and (barely) punished for, it would have been National news:

    Pumping in fake crowd noise for two years.

    Texting the coaches on the sidelines (demonstrably worse than having a video camera in the wrong location for the 1st half of the 1st game of the season)

    The difference is — those teams are losers. So no one cares.

    Stick-um, silicone, greased jerseys, coaches tripping players, teams violating the salary cap to win championships —

    NONE of them won 3 championships in 4 years in the salary cap era, with a head coach who hates the media — so no one cares.

    The microscope is only on the Patriots.

  55. Shaq’s cheating gave the grip advantage to both teams. Brady’s gives the advantage to his team only as each NFL team supplies the balls they will use while on offense.

    __________

    AFC Championship game:

    1st Half: Under-inflated balls. Pats outscore Colts 17-7, Brady tosses an interception.

    2nd Half: Properly inflated balls. Pats crush Colts 28-0. No interceptions by Brady.

    But please, tell us again how under-inflated balls gave Brady and the Pats a competitive advantage.

  56. Paulrevereshorse, I have an honest question for you. What did/does NFL have to gain by having the face of the NFL being accused of this? What does the NFL get out of Tom Brady being suspended?
    _______
    Exactly. So why did the NFL just not contact the Patriots before the game and let them know there was an issue? Why risk the fallout?

    2 options:
    1. The NFL completely messed it up
    2. There was an agenda by someone to make the Pats look bad

    Pick one.

  57. It doesn’t matter what anybody says. People that spite the Patriots success will ignore facts and solid reason, and cling to conspiracy.

    If the pressure gauge that Walt Anderson claims to have used in the pre game inspection showed readings at half time that were PERFECTLY CONSISTENT with natural pressure loss due to temperature change, why is that fact being ignored?

    Stick to that FACT haters. Somebody please explain that one to me!

  58. The fact that the league did not go after the Colts for also using under inflated balls or the refs themselves for making Brady use overinflated balls in a game against the Jets shows this was all about making some whiny loser owners happy by taking the Patriots down a notch. Not debatable.

  59. One last thing, it’s hilarious stupid for people to want and demand 100 percent fairness in a freaking game, and not give two hoots to get even 1 percent fairness with real life.

    It’s like people overreact that there might be one small thing against fair play and they can’t handle it, but hey your gov’t and corporations can screw you six ways from Sunday and you don’t give a flying crap.

    This disconnect is amazing. How on one hand people can care so much about so little, and forget to care anything about everything that matters.

    Some people need a reality check.

  60. Regarding the report of the footballs once being inflated to 16 pounds.
    The correct thing to have done would have been to let the referees know and ask them to adjust the pressure.
    Knowingly changing the pressure is cheating. Whether it is to make it to the correct pressure or not.
    Personally I think it is hyperbole.
    Patriots cheated, Tom Br*dy was the instigator.

  61. It kind of seems like it would be a bigger deal in the NBA than the NFL.

    Patriots haters say that in the NBA it doesn’t matter because both teams are using the same ball. Same advantage and same disadvantage.

    But in the example in the article, lowering the pressure of the basketball deadens it, helping the rebounders and slowing down the other fast breaking team.

    So in this example, it would clearly help one and hurt the other.

  62. AFC Championship game:

    1st Half: Under-inflated balls. Pats outscore Colts 17-7, Brady tosses an interception.

    2nd Half: Properly inflated balls. Pats crush Colts 28-0. No interceptions by Brady.

    But please, tell us again how under-inflated balls gave Brady and the Pats a competitive advantage.
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    That’s such a dishonest soundbite. If you’re caught cheating at school on the last question, it doesn’t matter if you had the other 49 correct. You’re being penalized for the act, as there is no way to know how that impacted you in previous tests/questions (in this case games).
    Deflating balls may just be a security blanket for Tom, but the real impact is more likely for runners, and not fumbling.

  63. I wonder if Shaq had been asked if he deflated balls would he bald face lie to the commissioner, all NBA fans, his owner, coach, and each and everyone of his teammates?

    Because that is exactly what Brady did.

  64. The Patriots cheated. I have no doubt that the Ravens would have won Super Bowl 49 if it wasn’t for deflation.

  65. So tired of these stories. It’s so obvious Goodell caves to the media and his ego is too large to overturn this suspension. Can Brady just sue him already? It’s pretty obvious he has no basis for any punishments. He should have been impeached a long time ago.

  66. Goodell & Suspensions on Brady

    Two WRONGS do not make it RIGHT.

    Fire this egomaniac before players go on strike and we fans miss out.

  67. Even if the Wells report didnt exonerate Brady, the equivalent would be a hockey player playing with an extra curve to his stick.

  68. Here is my problem with all of this. It has been 5 months, they spent millions of dollars investigating, and we still dont know the answer to one question. Did the Patriots deflate the footballs???

    So far all we know is that ALL the balls that were tested (both Patriots and Colts) were ALL deflated. Every single one of them. There is no denying this fact. Every football that was tested was “deflated”. Yet, the conclusion is:
    We suspect that the Patriots deflated the footballs because they lost air pressure, even though the pressure loss was consistent with the Colts footballs (that were tested) and consistent within the margin for natural environmntal factors (with the exception of 2 that were slightly more deflated than the others). However, since we suspect cheating, we conclude that IF there was cheating then Brady probably knew.

    That is it. We are gonna hammer the Patriots and Brady because we think they might have, and if we are correct then that means Brady probably knew. Seriously???

    Another issue I have is, the conclusion is that Patriots personel took the balls into the bathroom and deflated all of them. People will point that 2 of the balls fall outside the margin for environmental factors. Fair point, but that means that the Patriots equipment guy went into the bathroom and deflated only 2 footballs??? Why would you deflate only 2 balls and not all 12? We know that 10 were within the environmental factors margin. There are more unanswered questions than answered.

  69. for everyone using the “both teams use the same ball” excuse how does that make it okay? Shaq gets to alter the game balls to his own personal liking and the other team just has to play with those whether its their same preference or not?

    Did none of you read Phil Jackson’s explanation of why his Knicks teams deflated balls? He clearly explained how letting air out of the basketballs was advantageous to his team’s make-up and their style of play. He literally explained the MULTIPLE COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGES his team got by secretly deflating the basketball.

    If you dont think these actual admissions are cheating but you still want to trash the Patriots (who still have not admitted to doing this and have not been proven to have done this) then you are truly just a jealous, bitter hater.

  70. A couple key things to remember before Pats fans go turning this into another episode of their long-running show, “see! everybody does it!”

    1. In baskeball BOTH teams are touching the SAME ball. So it’s the same for BOTH teams no matter what inflation level the ball is at.

    2. In football, ONLY the offense is touching the ball except in the rare cases of turnovers. And ONLY the QB gets to choose the level. It’s NOT the same for both teams.

    And again, as others have pointed out, it’s not a question of inflation level, it’s whether or not the Patriots knowingly broke the rules — again.

  71. Attention all Patriots haters …

    Here is the million dollar question. Please do your best to answer the question directly …

    If the pressure gauge that Walt Anderson claims to have used in the pre game inspection showed readings at half time that were PERFECTLY CONSISTENT with natural pressure loss due to temperature change, why is that fact being ignored?

  72. Both teams use the same ball in basketball. Doesn’t make it right for the players to mess with the game equipment, but it doesn’t have a disproportional impact like the Patriots’ cheating did.

  73. In bball both teams play with the same ball.

    The pats cheated.

    It’s proven fact.

    Their owner admitted it.

    Their coach called Brady a cheater though that’s the pot calling the kettle black.

  74. Why didn’t they want those results to go public?

    This is what I say to anyone that asks why would the NFL want this. If they didn’t want it why wouldn’t they squash it?

    Something hacks like Felger Borges and Volin can’t comprehend

    Maybe because. like the trolls on PFT, they hate the Pats were beating their Packers and Steelers

  75. joker65 says:
    Jun 9, 2015 1:13 PM
    Paulrevereshorse, I have an honest question for you. What did/does NFL have to gain by having the face of the NFL being accused of this? What does the NFL get out of Tom Brady being suspended?
    _______
    Exactly. So why did the NFL just not contact the Patriots before the game and let them know there was an issue? Why risk the fallout?

    2 options:
    1. The NFL completely messed it up
    2. There was an agenda by someone to make the Pats look bad

    Pick one.

    ——————————————–

    It’s pretty obvious that the answer is #2. Someone within the league office has an agenda to bury the Pats. There is no other explanation as to how this false info leaked before the NFL even decided to investigate. Whomever wanted to embarrass the Pats (I’m looking at you Mike Kensil) leaked the info to a reporter, knowing full well that once the info went public, that the NFL and the Commish would have no other option but to investigate and administer discipline.

  76. “I needed that grip.”

    Now I understand why I can’t play basketball… I thought my hands were a little too small for the ball. But it appears that it was all about the grip!

  77. Number of players in the NFL who say they noticed a difference in how Tom Brady game footballs felt with their own team’s QB’s game footballs:

    Zero.

    #hmmmm
    #interesting
    #gofigure
    #iwonderwhy

  78. Someone said it’s only a big deal because it’s the Patriots. well, yeah, that’s true. Perhaps those countless other times they’ve been caught committing infractions has something to do with it.

  79. Time for the Pats Haters to explain away why this is so different and this has no relevance to that etc… Truth is this is only a problem because everyone loves to hate on the champs.

  80. Deflate gate is the biggest hoax in professional sports history. Goodell would make a good Sothern judge; a lot of pontificating while he railroads an innocent man.

  81. swagger52 says:
    Jun 9, 2015 12:42 PM
    Did Shaq change the balls so that the other team played with a non-deflated ball?

    —-

    One reason these people gave for deflation was to slow down the other teams dribbling.
    Having the other team play with the deflated ball was the point of the deflation in this case.

  82. So let’s see if I got this right.

    According to Patriot Hater if I’m an NBA player and I deflate a game basketball, that is in some convoluted way more acceptable than what Tom Brady is accused of doing because – are you ready for this? Both teams have to play with the deflated basketball instead of one team with the deflated football.

    Ummmmmm….lol?

    Everyone knows Patriot Hater isn’t very bright but it’s freaking hilarious how much they are twisting logic and common sense to fit their argument 🙂

    The World Champs are truly in their heads and I LOVE IT! 🙂

  83. It’s not the physical act of deflating balls that’s the issue.
    It’s the act of knowingly breaking rules
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Well, You are wrong on both points.

    FACT #1 – No physical act of Deflation beyond the 12.5 psi minimum took place.

    FACT #2 – ONLY Nature & Science conspired, as they do every year, to deflate the footballs.

    FACT #3 – Your thinking process is caught in a whirlpool of circular reasoning based on hearsay from the News Media & a PAID for HIRE Prosecutorial report that has more holes in it then swiss cheese.

    FACT #4 – All three FACTS stated above are – ‘MORE PROBALE then NOT’

  84. every piece of oral testimony given to Wells’ team was based on “best recollection”. And as far as NFL officials and executives, every one of them noted in the Wells report is believed to be true EXCEPT when Walt Anderson said he used to Logo gauge.

    So….Wells’ firm then tells Exponent they don’t know which gauge was used (page 44 of Exponents’ report……in fact at 3 places on this page they mention this uncertainty).

    So Exponent tries to figure out which gauge was used. In doing so, they establish the 4 Colts’ balls as the Gold Standard, despite only having time to test 4 of them, which probably meant they had also warmed more than the patriots’ balls, and having a much smaller sample. Then they determine that both gauges used in ball prep (by the Colts and Pats) probably measured similar to the non-logo gauge, because it works with the Colts’ balls measurements and because most of the gauges they tested were gave results similar to the non-logo gauge. Based on this, they determined it was “most likely” the non-logo gauge was used pre-game. (also on page 44 of Exponent’s report).

    However, neither the Colts’ or Pats’ gauge was tested. In fact, they couldn’t locate the Pats’ gauge ( the only place they note is footnote 36, page 65 of wells report) even though it appears that NFL Director of Game Operations had it last, in the officials’ locker room, right before they did the halftime tests, during which only NFL officials staff were allowed in the room.

    Then Wells refers to Exponents’ report to claim Anderson used the non-logo gauge (footnote 30, page 52 of Wells report, which refers to Section VII.B, which, on page 116, refers to Exponent’s report) which was based on Wells telling Exponent they didn’t know which gauge was used, despite Walt Anderson telling him the logo gauge was used.

  85. tigerlilac says: Jun 9, 2015 1:40 PM

    Deflate gate is the biggest hoax in professional sports history. Goodell would make a good Sothern judge; a lot of pontificating while he railroads an innocent man.


    Spygate was still a bigger hoax. Belichick was punished for doing exactly what the rulebook let him do and His Majesty didn’t like that.

  86. “It’s only a big deal because it’s the Patriots. It’s pretty obvious that this witch hunt has gone on to hysterical levels of foolishness.”

    The Patriots systematically flout the rules. You can’t do that.

  87. geez….people cheat when they play monopoly……that’s why everyone wants to be the banker

  88. Anyone else notice the pro Brady propaganda as of late? Trying to let fans calm down before they rule again? Trying to hope we forget and make light of cheating.

  89. Before reading this article I thought what Brady did was cheating. Now after hearing that Shaq did it in a completely different sport, it is obvious to me that Brady did nothing wrong.

  90. Their owner admitted it.

    Their coach called Brady a cheater though that’s the pot calling the kettle black.

    Did I miss when either of these happened or are you completely making stuff up? I think the latter

    Perhaps those countless other times they’ve been caught committing infractions has something to do with it.

    Other than this farce those countless other times consist of: 1 = camera placement

    I’m not sure you understand the concept of countless. Or maybe you just can’t count to one, which I would tend to believe

  91. Let’s face it … Brady’s suspension will be completely lifted.

    The commissioner will likely lift it during the appeal. Does the NFL really want their Super Bowl champion celebrated on a national stage with the whole world watching … while the MVP is suspended for ALLEGEDLY cheating?

    And if the commish doesn’t lift it, Brady will sue. And there isn’t a judge in America that won’t laugh at the Wells report and toss it in the barrel. Suspension lifted by a federal judge.

    I can’t wait for that to happen. You thought that hateriot nation was fuming after the Super Bowl?

    This will be even better!

  92. How is it not an advantage to play inside vs. outside? On turf vs. on grass. In the “Frozen Tundra” vs. in “Mile High” stadium. It is a false assumption to think that there is a level playing field, when the playing fields themselves aren’t level.

  93. I don’t understand when people say that the Patriots systematically flout the rules.

    Besides the completely overblown Spygate issue 8 years ago, and this football pressure dumpster fire, what rules have been systematically flouted?

  94. How much did Minnesota get fined for heating their footballs on the sidelines back on Dec. 1?
    Despite being a $25K fine, the league simply told ’em to “knock it off.”
    Both infractions sub-listed under “tampering with the footballs” in the rulebook.
    So its “knock it off” vs. getting fined a first, a fourth, a million dollars and a quarter season suspension for the QB.
    Seems equitable.
    Can’t even be argued; if this wasn’t the Patriots none of this hysteria would be happening.

  95. NBA it isn’t a big deal because both teams are using the ball. NFL they change out the teams balls when they go on offense. that is an advantage.

  96. “Anyone else notice the pro Brady propaganda as of late?”

    ——————————————

    I think that the general public is starting to realize just how much of a farce this whole subject has been all along.

    Much to the dismay of the fans of the teams the Patriots routinely victimize.

  97. “NBA it isn’t a big deal because both teams are using the ball. NFL they change out the teams balls when they go on offense. that is an advantage.”

    —————-

    WRONG

    In the example in this article, a deflated basketball helped one team with rebounding problems while hurting the other one that plays with a fast break.

  98. Wells report page 63:

    According to Seabrooks, he believed that the
    ball felt similar to the footballs intercepted by Mike Adams during the Colts game against the
    Patriots earlier in the season, so he asked one of the team‟s equipment interns to locate a pressure
    gauge and test the inflation level of the intercepted ball. The intern used a digital pressure gauge similar to the gauge used by the Colts to set their footballs before the game

    So…. if this is somehow not a violation of the rules (it most certainly is and the Colts most certainly should have been punished for it)….

    …then maybe Belichick should do the same thing next year. Random “spot checks” World Champion Patriot style 🙂 In fact I bet that’s exactly what he does.

    This ought to be GOOD! 🙂 Can’t wait!

  99. What a joke this whole farce has become. I still think Goodell needs to apologize to Kraft. Goodell is lucky that Kraft didn’t take this any further for the greater good of the NFL. Every QB deflates or inflates footballs outside the ‘allowable’ PSI range, as Aaron Rodgers admitted when he said he played with over-inflated footballs. Aaron Rodgers thought the whole DeflateGate was a joke and wondered what the big deal was. The big deal is that it involved the Patriots, the team everyone hates and wants to take down because they win too much. So pathetic that the Patriots are paying the price for this. The NFL knew QBs were getting away with inflating or deflating footballs and they never cared until the Patriots were involved.

  100. It is a shame that I used to think Brady might have been the best ever. The best ever doesn’t alter game balls. Brady is very good but no matter what he does now I will never believe he’s the best. They just need to let him serve his suspension and be done with all of this.

  101. .
    Duh, it never was anything more than a cheap PR stunt by former PR man , Goodell. His approval ratings were in the crapper, he was being mocked on SNL and other media outlets as an impotent buffoon.

    What better way to boost your poll numbers than to pick a fight with Goliath and fix the outcome. Right away, he’s the Messiah of 31 NFL cities. However, like the impotent buffoon portrayed on SNL, Goodell botched it.

    Wells gate has been nothing more than a limp wristed attempt by Goodell, Gardi, Blandino, Pash, Kensil et al to save their multimillion a year, no show jobs.

    Here’s the weekly list of non entities who will be weighing in on PFT despite having no knowledge :

    Monday – Joe Montana
    Tuesday – Shaq
    Wednesday – Ellen Degeneres
    Thursday – Vladimir Putin
    Friday – Sponge Bob Squarepants
    .

  102. The Ravens lost to the Patriots because whenever Joe Flacco gets backed into a corner all he does is heave it to the end zone and hope somebody makes him look good. As it happened, the Patriots just kept intercepting him instead.

  103. NFL football is a MAN’s game.

    Constantly accusing the most dominant team in the league of cheating is like a little girl accusing the older girl of cheating in hopscotch.

    MAN UP hateriot nation.

    Your child like accusations are flat out pathetic and you’re the only ones that don’t hear it.

  104. Next year we will have stats on the REAL Tom Brady

    Hopefully the NFL network will have two Tom Brady’s listed.
    Tom Brady Ranking (without the deflated ball advantage) and Tom Brady * (with the deflated ball advantage) It will be fun to see.

    Next year we will ALL know the advantage of a deflated ball, not just Brady and Bellichek.

  105. rockstart42 says:
    Jun 9, 2015 2:07 PM

    NBA it isn’t a big deal because both teams are using the ball. NFL they change out the teams balls when they go on offense. that is an advantage.
    _____

    Faulty logic. My basketball team might prefer a bouncy fast ball to go with their running style while the opponent might like a slower game. If the ball is deflated it takes away from my team being able to do what it does best while helping the other team.

  106. Shaq shouldn’t have been allowed to tamper with the balls. However, he likely didn’t know the rule, or didn’t care. I suspect he didn’t let out that much, such that the point guards would complain.

    Regardless, cheating has been going on since the beginning of time. Sometimes smart cheaters are covert because they know it is wrong like Lance Armstrong and Tom Shady. Other times, they are dumb cheaters and have no idea what they are doing is cheating.

  107. AFC Championship game:

    1st Half: Under-inflated balls. Pats outscore Colts 17-7, Brady tosses an interception.

    2nd Half: Properly inflated balls. Pats crush Colts 28-0. No interceptions by Brady.

    But please, tell us again how under-inflated balls gave Brady and the Pats a competitive advantage.
    ————————————————-

    The underinflated balls gave the Pats a 10 point advantage in the first half. With properly inflated balls, Brady may have thrown more than one interception and the Colts would have had the halftime lead causing each team to play a different second half.

  108. The fact that the Wells report is subjective and riddled with deliberate omissions as well as admitted badgering and one-sided editing of witness recollections while refusing to acknowledge the gross chain of custody failures along with the Dark Ages refusal to incorporate modern physics and other scientific facts and equations, one could almost conclude that the shoddy Wells report was intentionally constructed so it could be refuted and overturned on appeal.

    Why?

    It shows an attempt to try to hold someone responsible for and alleged infraction, but since there was no concrete proof and documentation to go by, especially considering uncalibrated ball meters were used with the real possibility that the acknowledge faulty meter was the primary meter, no court would support the Wells report.

    And yet Wells issued this report that was rife with procedural errors. If this was a criminal investigation, we could all conclude that most people in prison are wrongfully convicted if such shoddy work is the norm from people like Wells.

    Based on the NFL’s past established track record, refusing to be interviewed, turning over your cell phone, and talking to staff whom you deny knowing with no hard connected evidence warrants stern warnings of “Do Not Repeat Such Possible Violations Again” or we will have to work hard to document any real rules violations.

    To have changed their past policies to appease the Colts, Jets, and other envious haters of the Patriots only serves to make other filthy rich owners nervous and unsure of the game playing going on in the NFL offices.

    The NFL owners club is arguably one of the richest in the world and once you galvanize a majority into action from their high tea or druggie (Irsay and others) activities, who knows what wholesale changes will come from them if they feel their golden eggs are being messed with or could be messed with if. If the Patriots are eligible to be hung out to dry, then the NFL could arbitrarily to that to any other NFL player and club.

    With fanfare, the NFL announced that they did something with the Wells report. With a whimper, the NFL may well intend to bury the Wells report after this is dragged out until no one cards because the training camps are ready to start and the real NFL season is almost here.

  109. I understand Pats fans feeling as they do. It must be very tough to face the possibility that those championships which made them feel so very good will be forever tainted by asterisks in the record books. No matter what happens between Goodell and Brady, the stink of suspicion will forever waft around the NE organization

  110. I have enjoyed every minute of this offseason, because I check this site 1 or 2 times a day and see Patsie homers standing guard, always at the ready to defend the honor and integrity of a near billionaire who wouldn’t spit on you if your hair was on fire.

  111. So, let me get this straight…. In an effort to show that tampering with equipment is common and trivial, you point to the most corrupt sports organization in the country? (Tim Donaghy) (Kings getting shafted vs Lakers in playoffs) (Sonics getting 100 penalties vs Suns in playoffs)

    Ok, hahahahaha

    #patriotexcusemachine

  112. Constantly accusing the most dominant team in the league of cheating is like a little girl accusing the older girl of cheating in hopscotch.

    Or like accusing Lance Armstrong, Barry Bonds or Payrod of cheating.

    It’s not accusations when your owner admits to it and pays the fines and gives up the picks.

    Smell

    Of

    Taint

  113. OK so Shaq a cheater too.

    I don’t get all these athletes coming out of the woodwork admitting that they cheated like it will change what Brady did.

    I heard Montana say something also. All I can say is Montana is a cheater too and now I think a lot less of him.

    So Please, all athletes, if you are cheaters keep letting us know and perhaps it will change your HOF status if everyone knows you are all just a bunch of cheaters.

  114. It’s not accusations when your owner admits to it

    Silly Patriot hater really likes inventing fairy tales and calling them facts don’t they. 🙂

  115. *

    ^

    A tear running down Patriot Hater’s face when Malcolm Butler caught that pass from Russell Wilson.

    🙂

  116. In basketball both teams use the same ball, so whatever “edge” there is goes both ways. In football, however, each team uses their own balls so if it’s deflated, only one team gets the edge.

  117. Shaq is the man but im 5’10 and Caucasian and can palm a basketball pretty easy and swing it around while still gripping it…somethings telling me if I was 7’2 with hands 5x bigger than they are now I wouldn’t have an issue palming things lol

  118. It must be very tough to face the possibility that those championships which made them feel so very good will be forever tainted by asterisks in the record books.

    I actually have a copy of the new 2015 NFL record books right here, and for the life of me I can’t seem to find any of these asterisks anywhere! Everyone keeps talking about them so they must be in here somewhere I’ll keep checking and get back to you.

    All I can find is a bunch of lines saying SUPER BOWL CHAMPION NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS again and again and again.

    But I get it. It must be very tough to face the possibility that every off season that makes you feel all good about your loser team will slowly fade into horror and sadness come November. I’d be pretty salty too so I don’t blame the troll, I blame the team they root for.

  119. it wasn’t a big deal for Shaq since he cheated but still to manage to put in a few free throws per game. all his field goals were 5 feet away from the basket.

    The society is sorry once we start to listen a guy with a brain like shaq’s.

  120. Ehrmagaaad revoke all of the Bulls, Lakers, and Knicks championships! And one from the Heat! Oh the humanity! I don’t have enough asterisks!

  121. I must have missed the part of Shaq’s career where he left the NBA to play football. Otherwise this article really is about Shaq removing air from an entirely different shaped ball, that is used in an entirely different way, in an entirely different sport, with entirely different rules; thus making the whole thing as completely irrelevant as Kazaam.

  122. ggreen657 says:
    Jun 9, 2015 12:44 PM
    Why do other countries hate the USA? Because they can’t compete with us. Patriots = USA.

    _______

    Not anti pats but…most people in most countries do not care about or think about the USA. Not like NFL fans and the pats anyway.

  123. Don’t waste time arguing with Pats hater/trolls. Nothing will change their miniscule minds. They will continue with their nonsensical/idiotic comments until the end of time. Once again… I put these particular hater/trolls in the same category as religious fanatics, isis, Taliban, etc. Maybe even a little lower than some of those groups, but you get my point.

  124. The pats homers relish in others cheating as if it somehow vindicates them. Apparently that’s how their warped minds function.

  125. “tindeaux says:

    The society is sorry once we start to listen a guy with a brain like shaq’s.”

    Is there anything more pathetic then a guy posting anonymously to a website slamming a man like Shaq who reached the pinnacle of his sport based on merit and has displayed a cultural and business acumen that should be the envy of all of us?

  126. NFL teams shouldn’t be able to use their own balls. The league needs to inflate the balls at the HQ the day before each game and overnight ship them to the stadium, and the balls be locked up until game time. And a neutral group from the league should be in charge of inflating balls.

  127. I’m wondering if all of Patriots Hater Nation has figured out that Tommy’s playing week 1, and there IS NOT A G******** THING ANYONE CAN DO ABOUT IT!

  128. Swagger52, ask the Colts d from 2nd half and the so called legion of boom what the real numbers look are…oh wait, if your not stupid u can look them up. They are pretty good.

  129. This guy is the most overrated NBA player ever!!! Used steroids, could only dunk and Deflated Balls…
    Oh and couldn’t shoot a FT to save his life!

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