American Enterprise Institute calls Ted Wells report “unreliable”

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With the Tom Brady appeal hearing only 10 days away, it could be time for another Angry Ted Wells conference call.

The American Enterprise Institute, whose truly independent analysis helped several former Saints players ultimately avoid discipline in the bounty scandal, has examined the 243-page report from the NFL’s investigator in the #DeflateGate scandal. And AEI has determined the Wells report to be “unreliable.”

In an item written for the New York Times, AEI focuses on the conclusion that the Patriots tampered with air pressure in footballs prior to the AFC title game because the footballs used by the Patriots in the first half had a more significant drop in air pressure than the footballs used by the Colts in the first half. AEI rejects that finding based on two factors previously raised here: (1) NFL officials measured only four of the 12 Colts footballs at halftime due to supposed time constraints; and (2) the footballs used by the Colts experienced a likely increase in air pressure while in a warmer environment as the 11 footballs used by the Patriots were tested with two different gauges and then re-inflated.

The article in the Times also points out the different measurements from the two gauges used to set the air pressure in the footballs before the game and then to measure them at halftime, and concludes with a recommendation that the Brady appeal hearing “should proceed with the knowledge that the Wells report is unreliable.”

A separate and much longer report posted at AEI’s website reaches the same primary conclusion. AEI found that the footballs used by the Colts showed less of a reduction at halftime because they had a longer chance to experience an increase in air pressure in the warmer environment inside the locker room while the footballs used by the Patriots were being tested and re-inflated.

This report could give Commissioner Roger Goodell the “new information” needed to disregard the findings of the Wells report, concluding that the evidence did not point to tampering on the day of the AFC title game — and in turn that Brady deserves no punishment. To reach that conclusion, however, Goodell will have to admit that he hired an investigator who did a poor job. Which would mean that Goodell did a poor job in hiring Ted Wells.

Which could mean that Goodell will give no credence to the findings of AEI.

While the points made by AEI are hardly new, they now have a degree of credibility that makes the work hard to ignore. The real question moving forward is how hard will the Commissioner work to ignore them?

421 responses to “American Enterprise Institute calls Ted Wells report “unreliable”

  1. So just ignore the guy that took the balls into the bathroom AFTER the balls were checked..

    And the fact that the team fired the guys whose texts pretty much confirm the deliberate cheating.

    And the fact that NONE of the Colts balls (even the ones they did measure) dropped significantly in PSI.

    #Guilty

  2. Text messages read guilty. You can hammer on science all you want but the Deflator is the real story…..

  3. That’s what happens when you hire a lawyer to write a glorified lab report. A first year undergrad physics or chem student could have put together a more comprehensive and airtight (pardon the pun) analysis.

    It doesn’t matter though. Patriot-Hater nation doesn’t want to hear or acknowledge any of these facts. They just want their pound of flesh.

  4. You also missed the point that AEI says that Pats did not deflate the balls. But the masses believe the “Wells” report is 100% fact. Hope Brady sues the NFL for defamation of character.

  5. Put the balls on the sidelines next January in New England under the same conditions.

  6. Finally a credible organization ready to substantiate what most of us already knew.

    Deflategate! Witch hunt! Witchgate!

  7. Here we go again trying to apply logic vs. bias. It will be the same 10 posters (some with several names) ignoring it and talking about texts and fumble rates and blah blah blah. I wish one of them would be a real man and just admit they were wrong. But we all know that will never happen.

  8. So what you’re saying Florio is that if Goodell is impartial, nothing happens. Brady and the Pats are innocent.

    Maybe the 1st time I have ever agreed with you.

  9. Look for Goodell and Wells to continue to collide to protect their predetermined results; Goodell to protect his salary and the other skeletons in the closet, and Wells to avoid getting disbarred.

  10. It’s all about Brady and his four game checks.

    What about the two poor, not multimillionaire, shmucks that lost their livelihood and any prospect of workin within the NFL? The two guys the Patriots have made the fall guys on this. How do Kraft and the Brady bunch get away with making these two the “Patsies”.

    No class.

  11. Normally, I would root for his suspension to be lifted so that the week 1 match-up with the Steelers have both teams playing their best players with no excuses. Unfortunately, Bell’s suspension has me thinking otherwise. Brady may be the Pats’ best player, but Bell is ours.

  12. What are their thoughts on the “deflator” and his texts with the other trainer? Or how about Brady refusing to let them review his phone??

    Aren’t we pass whether doctoring of the balls happened? They complained about this last time they played (In a DOME), Brady petitioned to control his road footballs years ago, his trainers discussed via text prepping his balls and one was nicknamed the “deflator”.

    The question isn’t whether some doctoring of the ball has been done, the question is what the penalty should be for a first time offense.

  13. tavisteelersfan says:
    Jun 13, 2015 9:48 AM
    It’s all about Brady and his four game checks.

    What about the two poor, not multimillionaire, shmucks that lost their livelihood and any prospect of workin within the NFL? The two guys the Patriots have made the fall guys on this. How do Kraft and the Brady bunch get away with making these two the “Patsies”.

    No class.

    *********************************************************

    You mean the two guys that got caught stealing company equipment. Maybe they should get a gold star. But you keep reaching for your justification.

  14. The cliche that the crime is in the cover up still does not go away. The lack of cooperation by Brady and then the Patriots refusing to allow another interview of the employees after Wells had gathered more information he wanted to question regarding cannot be dismissed here.

    And, above all else, can we STOP treating this with the severity of a criminal investigation? The Patriots actions scream lack of integrity. The NFL is within its power to reprimand for the damage their action does to the league and its reputation. So the Patriots and their fans can stop acting they are being terribly wronged and for once take a look in the mirror.

  15. Your move Roger. This will be the “new information” you suggested Tom Brady bring forward. You will have to overturn all penalties or face a massive lawsuit and lose your job. Twist in the wind idiot.

  16. remembertheagenda says:
    Jun 13, 2015 9:40 AM
    So just ignore the guy that took the balls into the bathroom AFTER the balls were checked..

    Is it possible at all the he just went to the bathroom?

  17. The words “American Enterprise Institute” and “truly independent” should never appear together in the same sentence. AEI is a conservative institution serving the likes of the Arnold Foundation and the Koch Brothers. The fact that you guys think AEI is independent illustrates your ignorance of anything that takes place beyond the football field.

  18. people don’t get that the texts show direct evidence of…nothing.

    Holy Cow, Brady is a “dorito dink” ….guilty!!!!

  19. We use to think that the haters on here were just willfully ignorant and full of jealousy.

    But now, after they continually reject FACTUAL EVIDENCE that, has always been there for the unbiased viewer, and it has been CLEARLY documented by Well$ & an Independent = IMPARTIAL Analysis……

    I would have to say – You guys are friggin LUNATICS.

  20. HOWEVER, It should be noted that had the Patriots and Brady cooperated / it would be wholly reliable.

    The reason they didn’t cooperate was specifically to create doubt and a (mis)belief of innocence amongst the hometown fans

  21. ragujar says:
    Jun 13, 2015 9:48 AM
    What are their thoughts on the “deflator” and his texts with the other trainer? Or how about Brady refusing to let them review his phone??

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    How about the fact that the Wells Report uses the same text at least 15 times in the report. It’s not being used out of context for maximum brainwashing for the poor souls that have the inability to think for themselves. The whole Wells report should insult your intelligence. If it doesn’t, I have some waterfront property for you for $10/acre.

  22. Any fair minded-individual would conclude that, standing alone, the scientific evidence in the Wells report doesn’t prove that the balls were illegally deflated. See Florio’s excellent articles on this point. The AEI analysis introduces even more variables that underscore Florio’s conclusions.

    That leaves you with the suspicious
    text messages and the bathroom disappearance that might be enough to convict. However, when a report presents an unreliable report as fact, it casts hard to view the report as either credible or unbiased as a whole.

    We’ll see if Roger recognizes this and tempers his punishment accordingly.

  23. Reason and logic show that the pats did nothing wrong. Only idiots think the patriots are “guilty”. People want to see the patriots punished a second time for spygate because the punishment they received did not stop them from winning.

    The “deflator” texts do not prove anything. There is no context to support the wells sham of and investigation. There are only key words pulled from context. The league decided the pats were guilty before they even looked at the evidence.

  24. AEI actually calls the Wells Report “deeply flawed”, points out that the Colts balls were the ones with suspicious inflation levels (too high) and says they have no financial stake in the outcome – unlike Wells and his ongoing relationship with Goodell.

    Whole thing is nothing but lies by the commissioner and several bitter loser teams to take out the champs off the field since they can’t do it like men between the hash marks. Pathetic.

  25. All the texts show is that Brady likes his footballs at 13 psi and he was infuriated when the official at the Jets game pulled a Colonel Hogan and sabotaged the Patriots game balls to 16 psi.

  26. What struck me from the Wells’ angry rebuttal to Brady’s agent,
    was that Wells thought it “ridiculous” to think the NFL would set up a marquee player in their sport.
    Wells went out of his way to defend the NFL when that was never supposed to be his job. He had not 1 bad word in the lengthy report about NFL execs, even with the multiple false reports put out from those guys, plus the multiple missteps in the process of preparing and controlling footballs pregame. Multiple gauges, bent gauges, nothing documented.

    I think the ball guys were suspended because of taking promotional items that were not meant to be for them.
    Maybe wrong about that, but that’s what I took from text messages.

  27. Switch the defense from “well all QB’s do it, so why punish Brady!’ And back to ‘It never happened!’
    Does this ultimately mean Brady defenders say ‘all QB’s do it, except for Brady!’

    This is not a criminal case brought by the Government. Beyond a reasonable doubt is not the criteria, it’s simply what does the evidence point to. It’s not can you find a strange detail to exploit to say ‘see, can’t prove it!’ It’s simply ‘did he do it or not?’

    He did it. Those that want him not punished for some minute loophole are really just hoping he gets away with it.

    AGAIN

  28. ragujar says:
    Jun 13, 2015 9:48 AM
    What are their thoughts on the “deflator” and his texts with the other trainer? Or how about Brady refusing to let them review his phone??

    When the refs cheat and over inflate a ball to 16 PSI, the only way to make it legal is by deflating it. The person doing that would be called a “deflator.”

    Anyone would be a fool to have over their phone to that dog and pony show. they have proven they cant be trutsted.

  29. Look, I get it, people really want the Patriots to hang, but for the folks who are saying the texting is the smoking gun…if that were the case, we’d be looking at a higher degree of certainty than the 51 percent that you see in civil cases.

    Here’s the thing, forensic examiners are taught to ignore the noise, and run the science. The science has been run, without bias, and found that ‘the Wells report’s statistical analysis cannot be replicated by performing the analysis as described in the report’ (page 2, paragraph 3 of the analysis by AEI).

    That’s a very very big problem. When your science cannot be replicated, it’s bad science, and it’s thrown out. The Wells Report is bad science. You can cry foul at the text messages…but the fact is, the science doesn’t lie here (even if Ted Wells’ attempted to make it do so).

  30. Dewey: What about the Colts complaining about their footballs from their last game in a DOME?

    What about Tom Brady petitioning to control his footballs for road games??

    What about Tom Brady refusing to submit his phone?

    You can make an argument for every individual piece, but at some point, you need to acknowledge something happened.

  31. No matter how you feel about Brady & the PATRIOTS it is CLEAR that this is a POWER STRUGGLE that is NOT on par with so called NFL INTEGRITY, nor is it to protect UNFAIR ADVANTAGE /Rule 17.

    This is about NFL Players/Teams becoming too big for Goodell’s belief in NFL PARITY(CONTROL).

    BRADY & PATRIOTS are a threat to NFL Authoritarian Rule which has now reached levels of televised slander & coercion .

    It has nothing to do with cheating, since every NFL game is played with cheating – holding, PI, offsides etc. About half of the cheating is caught and penalized while the other half is overlooked or missed. No NFL Game has ever been, nor ever will, be played without cheating.

    Had the Well$ report PROVEN with CLEAR EVIDENCE that RULE 17 was violated in such a way that it undeniably determined the outcome of the game for the benefit of the CHEATING Team, then and only then would the penalties be JUSTIFIED.

    This is a WAR for NFL CONTROL & INTIMIDATION versus PLAYERS & TEAMS RIGHTS to a FAIR & IMPARTIAL DUE PROCESS.

    UNITE with BRADY – DEFEAT GOODELL

    UNITED PLAYERS STAND – DIVIDED WE FALL

  32. I read the whole report last night. I am more convinced than ever that no illegal deflating occurred. Brady will be exonerated.
    And one more thing. The summary to the report says that it is “highly unlikely” that the Patriots illegally deflated the footballs themselves, and everything in this excruciatingly detailed report backs that up.
    If they didn’t do it, then none of the texts or other contrived evidence that can be read several ways means a hill of beans.
    And the group who wrote this report has no dog on this fight, they are purely objective.

  33. Got to love commentator realityonetwo and his ‘its the evil Koch brothers”

    Ok buddy, go erase your illegal server

  34. Now that a credible independent review has been published (we all know the Wells report was neither independent nor credible) by AEI and referenced in The New York Times, isn’t it time for PFT to call on the NFL and Goodell to exonerate Brady and return the Patriots draft picks?

    Isn’t it also time for those that were (1) actively involved with a rush to judgment, (2) created evidence intended to justify a finding that Brady and the Patriots were guilty, (3) leaked false information to the media that also hid material facts that would exonerate Brady to pay a professional price for their misdeeds?

    Who leaked to Kravitz?

    Who leaked to Mortensen?

    Who will apologize to the Patriots, Brady, and former Patriots employees John Jastremski and James McNally?

  35. gotta love the haters who are more desperate to support a conclusion irrelevant of facts then roger goodell.

    Now they turn to a guy calling himself the deflator.

    First off if you read the repor, which haters will not cause they don’t like facts, the science as wells interpreted it shows that the colts illegally inflated balls after the refs checked them since they ignored the facts that the colts balls were checked at the end of half time and were above where they should be based on the ideal gas law

    Second we know a guy refered to himself as the deflator, as well we know he often deflated balls to get them to a lower legal limit and was yelled at by Brady when this didn’t happen. Far stretch to say he deflated them to an illegal limit and farther stretch to say he did it after the refs checked them, you need to make an assumption based on another assumption to make this point stick, or you just need an IQ lower then the PSI levels.

    Third the science shows that the balls were never deflated below a legal limit irrelevant of what everyone wishes in the poor pitiful hearts, that’s all you need, the science which is the only hard facts in this case show there was no illegal tampering

    This whole case did it what it set out to do, which was to tarnish the Patriots and Brady’s name irrelevant of any facts. Let the haters keep on hating cause the patriots will keep on winning, your welcome haters, without all these lies and ingnirance of facts you wouldn’t be focused on the patriots and might have to deal with your own crappy teams. Pats cheat and if they didn’t your team would probably have many Super Bowls as that’s the only explanation that doesn’t clearly show how bad your teams are

  36. Even if Goodell kisses Tom’s feet and begs forgiveness Tom should sue the NFL for defamation until the Pats get their picks back and the Colts and Ravens give us some picks for their crimes.

  37. What a giant mess, all the way around. It has affected my opinion of everyone involved, unfortunately.

    I should say, though, that my opinion of Goodell was pretty low to begin with.

  38. Wasn’t this group American Enterprise hired by the Union to do the analysis? If you are getting paid then it isn’t a totally unbiased conclusion and similar to that of an expert witness it has to be taken with a grain of salt. I think the penalty was harsh but that was based more on the Pats history of cheating more then anything else.

  39. Who cares?! Everyone knows the Patriots will do any and everything available to them to gain a competitive edge. Trying to blame them for Under inflated footballs without prior warning is just outright absurd. Of course every team in the league inflates them similarly to the QBs wishes. There are a thousand other things they’ve done but this is meaningless

  40. Dewey:
    The two guys, and only those two guys, caught up in the ball handling situation get fired in the middle of it, is purely a coincidence.
    The use of texts describing weight loss efforts as deflator, right in the middle of the situation by the two guys and only the two guys handling the balls, is purely a coincidence.
    Brady declining to provide his texts and emails with these two guys on principle, privacy, is purely a coincidence.
    Then Kraft meets Goodell’s and folds like a cheap tent.
    And I’m the one reaching.
    LOL.

  41. I sincerely hope Goodell, the new hero of the people, goes down in flames when all is over. Don’t spare’em, TB12. It’s about honor and respect!

  42. Deflator, needles, kickbacks, balloons, weight loss, really? A flurry of phone calls from the QB to the ball attendants? Game day activities weren’t monitored enough to be reliable. I think we can all agree on that. However, the investigation uncovered too much smoke to believe there’s not a fire somewhere. If Brady would have granted access to his emails, this all could have been resolved within days…either for or against the Pats. He’s the one to blame for this going on as long as it has. The NFL should suspend him for life just for that.

  43. “In 2012, however, we published an analysis of N.F.L. injury data that found that the Saints injured fewer opposing players than all but two teams did in 2009, and fewer than all but one team did from 2009 to 2011. Even if Saints officials offered “bounties,” there was no good evidence that Saints players were influenced by them.”

    Once public opinion is determined, it is rarely swayed. I never hear anyone mention this. Seems incredibly relevant in light of the fact that other teams were admittedly conducting similar pay for play programs.

  44. None of this proves anything at all.

    No one tested the balls in the dome, its the losing team complaining about the team that crushed them.

    Who cares if Tom didn’t submit his phone, its his not the NFLs phone.

    Yes Tom and Peyton wanted worn in balls as did every QB. The NFL wants more scoring, see rule changes pushed by Bill Polian and the Colts. Why wouldnt you want the QB who touch the balls every play to get balls they like to throw.
    ragujar says:
    Jun 13, 2015 10:07 AM
    Dewey: What about the Colts complaining about their footballs from their last game in a DOME?

    What about Tom Brady petitioning to control his footballs for road games??

    What about Tom Brady refusing to submit his phone?

    You can make an argument for every individual piece, but at some point, you need to acknowledge something happened.

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  45. officialgame says:
    Jun 13, 2015 10:12 AM

    Wasn’t this group American Enterprise hired by the Union to do the analysis? If you are getting paid then it isn’t a totally unbiased conclusion and similar to that of an expert witness it has to be taken with a grain of salt. I think the penalty was harsh but that was based more on the Pats history of cheating more then anything else.
    __________________________________

    No they were not hired by anyone. It is a truly INDEPENDENT report.
    Brady= exonerated

  46. To be clear. I think Tom Brady is the QB in football. I think the Patriots are an elite football team. They have a little bit of an overblown reputation, in my opinion because they six gimmes a year in the East. There have been just as many Super Bowls won in the North over the era, it just spread across two teams. But I digress.

    I don’t think for a minute shenanigans about ball pressure is a big deal, nor do I think the Patriots are somehow the only team that engages in Shenanigans.

    Put simply, I think the Patriots should have do copped on day one, paid the $25k and moved on. Their ego got in the way and created a crazy situation multi game suspensions, lost picks, two guys fired. It is like Richard Nixon and Martha Stewart, pride cometh before the fall. The cover up cost them everything.

  47. ragujar says:

    Dewey: What about the Colts complaining about their footballs from their last game in a DOME?

    What about Tom Brady petitioning to control his footballs for road games??

    What about Tom Brady refusing to submit his phone?

    You can make an argument for every individual piece, but at some point, you need to acknowledge something happened.

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    If you understood procedures then you might have a valid point. Unfortunately, you read stuff on the internet and do no research. Yes. road teams supply their own balls, but once given to the refs, it is in the control of the league and the home team locker room attendant. So what you are saying is the Colts employee deflated the balls for the Patriots? Seems a little odd to me, but you go with that.

    Yes he did petition as well as several other quarterbacks. So they must all be cheating because the petitioned. Great logic there.

    What was next?

    Oh, the phone issue. You mean his personal phone the NFL wanted to look at? Do you let your employer look at your personal phone? Can they stop by your house and go through it because paper clips are missing from the supply room? The NFL has no right to his personal phone and no where in the CBA does it state they do. Once again. do a little research for yourself. Become your own person, don’t be afraid.

  48. When Belichik basically said “go talk to Tom” after this leaked out, it was clear that he had investigated himself and knew it was between Brady and the ball boys.

  49. Is it possible the “deflator” refers to himself as that because it’s his job to deflate the balls to Brady’s liking but still within the rules? Everyone assumes that it means it’s his job to deflate the balls past the minimum and to circumvent the rules and I don’t know that any of the texts show that. Regardless of what anyone says the texts were mostly taken out of context, I know if anyone had access to all of my texts they could probably make the case I did just about anything if they pulled a few of them and presented them out of context.

    Often times the truth is kind of boring, in this case it could be that the “deflator” was just tasked with deflating the balls to Brady’s liking within the rules.

  50. tavisteelersfan says:
    Jun 13, 2015 10:14 AM
    Dewey:
    The two guys, and only those two guys, caught up in the ball handling situation get fired in the middle of it, is purely a coincidence.
    __________________
    Again people believing falsehoods. McNally and Jestremski were not fired they were suspended at the behest of the NFL offices.

  51. This entire report, or very large swaths of it, would be tossed out of court before the trial even started. It doesn’t come close to meeting standards of evidence required. People keep saying that the CBA gives latitude for the Commissioner to do pretty much whatever he wants, but you should be careful with that. Workers with contracts have rights. If you are going to take 1/4 of a man’s pay for a year, you have to have a reason that you can back up with facts.

    And if all of the testing data gets tossed, which it will if Brady chooses to take this to court, you’re going to need a lot more than some bragging texts and a guy going to the bathroom with the balls.

  52. You can make an argument for every individual piece, but at some point, you need to acknowledge something happened
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Where is your thinking ? Who owns your mind ?
    Does Goodell & the News Media have your brain in their hands molding it like putty to conform to their Perception of Reality?

    If You cry CHEATER, then YES – They Own You.
    The Great News is that you can escape and find Freedom.
    You have the power to Free Yourself by using LOGIC, REASON and Unbiased Judgment. It is YOUR CHOICE – You can Choose the FACTS or You will BELIEVE the SLANDER & LIES such as – “11 of 12 Patriots footballs were 10.5 psi.”
    Who fed you those LIES ? Goodell & the News Media and YOU BELIEVED IT.

    SCIENTIFIC FACT has exonerated Brady & the PATRIOTS. Why do you reject reality & truth ?

    You watched, with the WORLD, on National TV two distinct moments of recorded history how BRADY & the PATRIOTS were completely EXONERATED from any allegation of cheating.
    #1.) AFCCG second half with NFL Approved Rule 17 Footballs Patriots 28 – Colts 0
    Surely that would of been enough – but there is more.
    Brady & the PATRIOTS, placed under the intense pressure brought on with two weeks of LIES & SLANDER from Goodell and the News Media, face off at SuperBowl XLIX. Under the HIGHEST NFL Scrutiny ever recorded in NFL history, with Approved Rule 17 footballs AND against the #1 DEFENSE in the entire League ( possibly the BEST Defense in NFL History) Tom Brady SURPASSES (Breaks) NFL PASSING Records and the PATRIOTS defeat the Seahawks.

    BELIEVE the FACTS/TRUTH and the FACTS/TRUTH will set your Mind FREE.

    Continue to believe Falsehood & the News Media and your mind is OWNED.

    The Founding Fathers were Sons of Liberty and fought for FREEDOM – You can also.
    or
    Stay with Goodell and SUBMIT to Authoritarian Control = You are OWNED

    #FreeYourMind
    #AlwaysInnocentWithoutProof
    #TheTrueAmericanDream
    #OverThrowCorruptPowers
    #WeWillNotBeOwned

  53. If the punishment against the Pats stands every Super Bowl Champion from this point forward deserves an asterisk, as the league office has meddled in a manner that has given every team other than the Pats an unfair advantage.

    The NFL under the incompetent Goodell will soon be a glorified version of the WWE and Make Mark Cuban a prophet.

    The other team owners may think it wonderful to see the Pats take a hit, but they won’t be laughing when the public catches on to the fact that the league office has compromised fair play in an effort to engineer outcomes.

  54. The continual posting of long essays by Pats fans defending their hero and team says all you need to know about this situation. If nothing illegal truly took place, then why go to such great lengths for their defense? Keep donating your hard earned money to Brady’s defense while you’re at it.

  55. This is the same outfit that published an “independent, non partisan” paper on global warming that concluded it was hogwash. Of course they did it after Exxon gave them $2.5M.

    LOL

  56. I wonder if Bradys donation to the Institute is tax deductible? Also, keep glassing over the fact that this is as much about Bradys cover up as anything else.

  57. Deflategate = Witchgate

    40 wrongs don’t make a right

    Assuming Brady did everything the witch hunters want to believe, they’re beyond obvious in how they turn their cheek to the equally-obvious commonality of this practice.

    If it’s widespread, you don’t vilify an individual and create a scapegoat – you recognize the flaws in the system, adjust as necessary and punish thereafter. Regardless of the level of guilt on Tom Brady’s part it is even more obvious that the NFL does not have effective processes to monitor ball pressure or structured discipline to enact upon. It’s a cluster from top to bottom.

    You’re enabling Goodell’s make it up as he goes method with this garbage.

    There’s always been cheating in the NFL and every other competitive sport or association. Stop the bloodlust. Nobody wins with vitriol except for rabid, judgmental jerks.

    It’s as if we want to punish everyone for everything these days. Aren’t you getting tired of this nonsense and hate and intolerance? It surely doesn’t make us happy.

  58. mrbigass says:
    Jun 13, 2015 9:41 AM

    Text messages read guilty. You can hammer on science all you want but the Deflator is the real story…..

    You don’t get it, do you?

    The science trumps all. There was no intentional deflation of anything. The variance between those (few) Colts balls and Patriots balls at halftime is explained completely by the fact that the Colts balls were allowed to equilibrate and the Pats’ were not.

    What some guy said in a text 8 months before wrong doing was alleged.

    You are grasping at straws, Spiff.

  59. The words “American Enterprise Institute” and “truly independent” should never appear together in the same sentence. AEI is a conservative institution serving the likes of the Arnold Foundation and the Koch Brothers. The fact that you guys think AEI is independent illustrates your ignorance of anything that takes place beyond the football field.
    ++++++++++++++

    Right, but you have no problem with the NFL being Judge, Jury, Prosecutor and Appeals Judge… maybe you should should look in the mirror before casting your “Knowledge” out to all!

  60. “Ignore the 100% objective scientific principles that demonstrate the footballs were not deflated by human actions, and look at the texts with no context!”

    Is this kind of argument really a thing? It makes me hope that Patriot hate is clouding judgment, because it’s just plain sad if people actually think like that.

  61. realityonetwo says:
    Jun 13, 2015 9:56 AM

    The words “American Enterprise Institute” and “truly independent” should never appear together in the same sentence. AEI is a conservative institution serving the likes of the Arnold Foundation and the Koch Brothers. The fact that you guys think AEI is independent illustrates your ignorance of anything that takes place beyond the football field.
    ————————————————-
    And the blind support for the patsies after being twice now convicted of cheating, not to mention pats fans unwavering support of A Hernandez, shows their ignorance for what happens on the field also.

  62. Love how Pats fans cry the persecuted when their owner admitted to and paid for cheating.

    Spygate, he and Belichick apologized to the NFL.

    Deflategate, he shut up and paid up.

    ******************

  63. To me, this is a crock. Regardless that there was only 4 Colt balls tested the fact is they were all still at the correct level whereas there is proof the equipment employee for the Patriots broght the footblls into the locker room when he shouldn’t have after they were already tested. The fact 11 of them were all under the appropriate level is also FACT.

    Its also fact that Wells’ report has flaws. However, the FACTS of the case STILL have support that the balls were tampered with after the point they should have been. No one can deny that. The other fact that every former or current QB have all come forward and said the QB always knows what’s going on with the footballs he is using can also not be denied.

    There is still preponderence of the evidence that the balls were tampered with and the fact Brady won’t give up his phone adds to a determination that he’s not innocent. He did not fully comply with the NFL. Answering questions is good but giving up evidence that could prove his innocence tells me differently.

  64. Dewey:
    The two guys, and only those two guys, caught up in the ball handling situation get fired in the middle of it, is purely a coincidence.
    *******

    Fired for stealing company equipment. Unless companies should retain those caught stealing?

    *********

    The use of texts describing weight loss efforts as deflator, right in the middle of the situation by the two guys and only the two guys handling the balls, is purely a coincidence.

    *********
    Deflator text is from May 2014, when no games are being played. Not in the middle of it. Read the report.

    *********
    Brady declining to provide his texts and emails with these two guys on principle, privacy, is purely a coincidence.

    *********
    Personal phone. Shouldn’t give it up. It’s called right to privacy. Can your boss stop by and search your house at anytime?

    *********
    Then Kraft meets Goodell’s and folds like a cheap tent.
    And I’m the one reaching.
    *********

    Yes you are the one reaching. If you understood the NFL constitution, there is not a lot Kraft could do. At the end of the day he would have to sue his business partners. Not a good long term strategy.

    I really hope that is not all you have, because I am unimpressed. You seem to lack the ability to do actual research and would just prefer to troll. I get it. It is easy to troll and research would take a little effort.

  65. Inspector Clouseau calls Ted Wells report “reliable beyond question.”

    Cue the Pink Panther theme.

  66. flash1287 says:
    Jun 13, 2015 9:55 AM

    remembertheagenda says:
    Jun 13, 2015 9:40 AM
    So just ignore the guy that took the balls into the bathroom AFTER the balls were checked..

    Is it possible at all the he just went to the bathroom?

    ————

    It’s more probable than not that is exactly what happened! If you were going to stand on the sidelines for two hours, wouldn’t you go to the bathroom first? I would.

  67. realitycheckbaby says:
    Jun 13, 2015 10:29 AM
    This is the same outfit that published an “independent, non partisan” paper on global warming that concluded it was hogwash. Of course they did it after Exxon gave them $2.5M.

    LOL

    But the “outfit” the wells report used was okay?they said second hand smoke and asbestos wasn’t harmful.

  68. Why do pats fans keep supporting the pats of not cheating even when one of their personal took the game footballs to the bathroom #guilty

  69. Yes, my whole life I have heard people on a weight loss program refer to themselves as “The Deflator.” New England Patriots, do you think we’re stupid? Let’s use some common sense here, folks.

    And yes, the American Enterprise Institute is “really” an independent entity. It is a think tank that specializes in economics and political analysis–with no reason or credibility to get involved in this situation–run by a bunch of Robert Kraft’s cronies. There is not a single person on their board who is not hip-deep into multi-national corporations except for Dick Cheney (and we know how fair and objective he is about everything).

  70. wilmyers09 says:
    Jun 13, 2015 10:38 AM
    Why do pats fans keep supporting the pats of not cheating even when one of their personal took the game footballs to the bathroom #guilty


    Again! Is it possible he just took a leak?

  71. This ignores the most important facts, it was long rumored inside the league that the Patriots were tampering with their footballs, the Colts made an accusation and the Patriots balls were in fact deflated, and the texts prove that they were tampering with the balls since at least October and Brady was involved in it. The report itself wasn’t flawless but those three facts discredit any scientific explanation, it happened, let’s all move on with our lives.

  72. Right wing think tank, with the likes of Cheney and Koch brothers on its board, who has fired fellows for questioning Republicans, who never questioned a single person and who ignore the inconvenient truths like the trip to the bathroom, the texts and the deflator, now support Brady who wouldn’t go to the Whitehouse due to his racist hate of our progressive President.

    Wow.

    I’m convinced.

  73. If Brady doesn’t submit his text communications with Jastremski that completes what is missing from Jastremski´s texts, then there is no way the NFL will exonerate him.
    The text messages are just too much to put away and forget. Only the stupid pats fans would do that.

    Goodell must put all the pressure, privately and publicly, on Brady to force him to clarify his special relationship with Jastremski.

  74. A) Brady refused to cooperate
    B) Look @ the text messages sent between ball boys. Argue the science all they want, but the Pats were caught cheating red handed.

    As a Yankees fan, A-rod & Giambi are cheaters. I can admit it. I am not sure why Pats fans cannot do the same.

  75. Brady is appealing on NFL punishment procedures and if that doesn’t work, that his punishment doesn’t fit the “crime”. This Report doesn’t change the fact that all three were not candid and we’re obviously trying to cover this up. And the Wells report was clear, this was not the first time. Brady will serve all four games and will drop this.

  76. But the “outfit” the wells report used was okay?they said second hand smoke and asbestos wasn’t harmful.

    The trip to the bathroom

    The deflator and his texts

    The Brady gifts

    The fumbles

    Guilty.

  77. “wilmyers09 says:
    Jun 13, 2015 10:38 AM
    Why do pats fans keep supporting the pats of not cheating even when one of their personal took the game footballs to the bathroom #guilty”

    If scientific principles suggest the footballs were not deflated by humans, then McNally didn’t deflate the footballs. Am I really having to explain this??!

  78. You are OWNED little Sheeple of Land of Make Believe.

    Follow your leader Goodell little Sheeple.

    You are OWNED.

  79. realitycheckbaby says:
    Jun 13, 2015 10:19 AM
    Don’t need another opinion funded by Kraft.

    The fumbles prove they’re guilty.

    **************************************
    Could you please give an explanation as to why they fumble less on the road where the ather team provides the locker room attendant? You have been asked this several times and not once have ever provided an answer. You always deflect (you must be in politics). Either put up an answer if you can, or move on to something else. Otherwise, you really look like you are on the lower end of the IQ scale to all of us that read here on a regular basis. I have seen you post this probably close to a thousand times. Why not get a new thought? Are you incapable of that?

  80. Of course the Wells report was bogus. Everyone with half a brain knows this. The problem is, those who don’t have brains still believe the Pats are guilty because of (a) some stupid texts that were taken out of context (b) the ballboy took a piss and brought the balls with him (c) Brady “didn’t cooperate” by giving up his phone records (never mind the fact that he gave several interviews for the NFL) (d) they’ve been “guilty” of cheating before and (e) Brady and the Pats “lied” about having any knowledge of deflated balls. Obviously all the above makes them guilty as sin. Brady and Belichick should be banned for life/the year and their titles should be removed and their Super Bowls should have (*) next to them. OBVIOUSLY.

  81. dan7800 says:
    Jun 13, 2015 10:41 AM
    A) Brady refused to cooperate
    B) Look @ the text messages sent between ball boys. Argue the science all they want, but the Pats were caught cheating red handed.
    _________________
    You mean the Texts from May of 2014, remind me again how many games are played in May?

  82. The big mistake Goodell has made is this… He should have broken out the punishment. 1 game for knowledge of manipulation of the balls and 3 for lying to your employer and not being cooperative.

    I think its a big deal to tamper with the balls going into a game that will be pouring down rain and the game means millions and millions of dollars to the respective cities and players.

    But people keep claiming that it is no big deal… So 1 game.

    But to set a precedent that the next time the league investigates a team that 1) you do not need to turn over any documents or text messages – they should just “believe you” and 2) to be caught lying to your employer and the league is simply not acceptable. So 3 games (I would be fired from my job).

    By breaking out the penalties, there are two very different things that need to be proved. And all the science in the world can not defend the age old art of lying.

    I honestly would respect the heck out of the Patriots, if they sat Brady down for a game for lying and causing issues that could have been avoided by telling the truth. But I do not think that will happen… Even though they suspended a player three weeks for being late to a voluntary camp.

  83. The “Patriots Haters” are really going off the deep end now. Even the more rational “Patriots Dislikers” (aka decent human beings that just hate losing to the Patriots) can’t give up the delusions.

    Try the lack of logic of this one on for size:

    “Put simply, I think the Patriots should have do copped on day one, paid the $25k and moved on. Their ego got in the way and created a crazy situation multi game suspensions, lost picks, two guys fired. It is like Richard Nixon and Martha Stewart, pride cometh before the fall. The cover up cost them everything.”

    1. the Patriots should have copped on day one to something they didn’t do.

    2. they kid themselves that if the Patriots paid $25k they could have moved on.

    3. the Patriots were not the target of an overzealous prosecution, their ego got in the way and created a crazy situation multi game suspensions, lost picks, two guys fired.

    4. the not-guilty Patriots are compared to the guilty as charged Richard Nixon and Martha Stewart.

    5. the Patriots are charged with too much pride.

    6. the cover up cost the Patriots everything (in fact, the NFL and Wells led the cover-up, not the Patriots)

    That’s the definition of revisionist history. People that just can’t accept the truth.

  84. “whitetrash69 says:
    Jun 13, 2015 10:40 AM
    This ignores the most important facts, it was long rumored inside the league that the Patriots were tampering with their footballs, the Colts made an accusation and the Patriots balls were in fact deflated, and the texts prove that they were tampering with the balls since at least October and Brady was involved in it. The report itself wasn’t flawless but those three facts discredit any scientific explanation, it happened, let’s all move on with our lives.”

    Which texts “prove they were deflating since October?” The October texts were about footballs being at 16 PSI, which demonstrates…that they were not deflating footballs as of October. Why is this so hard?

  85. Just because the ball boy called himself the deflator still doesn’t mean anything illegal was done. You can deflate the air from the football and it still could still be in the legal range of psi. Like how the psi in the text message of the one game says it was 16 and if you deflate a ball from 16 to 12.5 I don’t see how that is illegal unless I’m missing something. Let’s take a look at the text messages of the colts management and coaches when they wen 2-14 to secure Andrew Luck and not RG3 and we will see who really cheated.

  86. Does the Well report state Walt Anderson put air in the Pats balls during the inspection to bring them up to spec? I don’t remember seeing that but I didn’t read the entire report. So assuming he didn’t, what’s more likely? That the Pats plan was to submit balls they didn’t want to play with and then deflate them prior to kickoff? Or submit balls they wanted to play with and let the refs put air in them if they were found to be under the minimum? Just seems a little far fetched they would do the former, especially knowing now the NFL’s “testing” procedures are laughable. The guy in the bathroom is much more of a smoking gun if Walt put air in their balls after inspecting them. If he didn’t, then…

  87. Florio, good to see you pulling out the Stazi photo of Wells. Every time I see it I know the Patriots are about to get an almost reasonable piece from you.

  88. Why do haters keep saying the Pats fired the two ball guys when they did it at the behest of the NFL? How do we know this? Because the only way they are allowed back into the NFL is when Troy Vincent rescinds the life-long banishment. Oh, also, the NFL already said they asked the Patriots to do it.

    Soooo, yea. I guess haters can’t handle reality.

  89. Assume even that Anderson used the gauge Wells thinks he did. If someone can explain the reasoning behind what the Deflator was “doing” to these balls in that bathroom to make Brady happy, I would like to know.

    Ball 1 – left alone
    Ball 2 – removed .45 psi
    Ball 3 – removed .15 psi
    Ball 4 – removed .60 psi
    Ball 5 – removed .20 psi
    Ball 6 – added .10 psi
    Ball 7 – added .35 psi
    Ball 8 – removed .20 psi
    Ball 9 – removed .35 psi
    Ball 10 – removed .80 psi (aha!)
    Ball 11- removed .40 psi

  90. We don’t want a Brady REPEAT.
    We don’t want a Brady REPEAT.

    Please, PLEASE Mr. Goodell don’t let the PATRIOTS get to another SuperBowl – PLEASE.

    Is this what you have devolved into ?

    How you have fallen so far and so deep.

  91. jcpad58 says:
    Jun 13, 2015 10:41 AM

    If Brady doesn’t submit his text communications with Jastremski that completes what is missing from Jastremski´s texts, then there is no way the NFL will exonerate him.
    The text messages are just too much to put away and forget. Only the stupid pats fans would do that.

    Goodell must put all the pressure, privately and publicly, on Brady to force him to clarify his special relationship with Jastremski.

    ——————

    The investigators had Jastremski’s phone, which contains all the texts sent between him, McNally and Brady. They also had McNally’s phone, so they have all the texts and e-mails sent between the three men.

  92. remembertheagenda says:
    Jun 13, 2015 9:40 AM

    So just ignore the guy that took the balls into the bathroom AFTER the balls were checked..

    And the fact that the team fired the guys whose texts pretty much confirm the deliberate cheating.

    And the fact that NONE of the Colts balls (even the ones they did measure) dropped significantly in PSI.
    ====================================

    Wow, its as if you have not even read any of the reports, you are only going on uninformed headlines. Everything you stated is actually the opposite of what the reports spelled out.
    1. The guy took the exact amount of time it takes to piss and wash your hands. Sometimes the correct answer is the easiest one.
    2. the are not fired they are suspended, at the request of the NFL. They will return to new duties. To make the league happy.
    3. all of the colts balls were low at the end of the game, even lower than the Pats balls. Absolutely true.

    READ THE REPORTS!

    #NotGuilty

  93. officialgame says:
    Jun 13, 2015 10:12 AM

    Wasn’t this group American Enterprise hired by the Union to do the analysis? If you are getting paid then it isn’t a totally unbiased conclusion and similar to that of an expert witness it has to be taken with a grain of salt
    ____

    The Wells report was paid for by the NFL. So, based on your conclusion above, it should be taken with a grain of salt.

    Works both ways.

  94. There need to be PROOF that the Patriots tampered with the footballs. texts, phone calls nicknames are not relevant. The Wells Report used a firm, Exponent that used one scenario that shows the Patriots Footballs losing more air in comparison the Colts footballs to reach that conclusion.

    The Article in the NY Times proves with NO BIAS that the Wells report is deeply flawed, and no tampering likely occurred. In one likely scenario, the use of the Logo gauge which the ref said was used but ignored in the Wells report, the AEI statistically concluded that the chances of the Patriots tampered with the footballs was 1 out of 300.

    There is no way an impartial person can look at the science from and conclude with any certainty tampering occurred only the opposite. There are plenty of other reports of scientists reaching the same conclusion that no tampering occurred and I have NOT seen one SCIENTIFIC report backing the findings of the Wells report. The reports I see including the recent one from AEI all conclude the same thing, the Colts footballs heated up as they were likely measured at the end of the half and this was ignored in the Wells report and THAt caused the differences in the PSI variances.

    The only way Brady and the Patriots can lose is if Goodell puts self preservation first. As for the Wells report, either Exponent the testing firm is incompetent or it is tough for Wells to bill $5,000,000+ and conclude nothing was done. I am sure emails and text messages from within Exponent would be very interesting.

    There is no getting around the fact that the science is true whether you believe it or not.

  95. Could you please give an explanation as to why they fumble less on the road where the ather team provides the locker room attendant? You have been asked this several times and not once have ever provided an answer. You always deflect (you must be in politics). Either put up an answer if you can, or move on to something else. Otherwise, you really look like you are on the lower end of the IQ scale to all of us that read here on a regular basis. I have seen you post this probably close to a thousand times. Why not get a new thought? Are you incapable of that?

    Answering a question with a question, again, I see.

    Show me one other team to cut their long term fumble rate in half in one off season with the same coach and QB.

    You explain how that’s possible and I’ll explain road games where Pats are also in charge of their own balls.

  96. AEI is a political think tank whose research is dedicated to issues of government, politics, economics and social welfare. Football? Not so much. AEI is tasked with finding solutions to serious world problems. Where did it get funding to work on totally unrelated research into the Wells Report? AEI gets much of its funding from private donations, so the true test of their ‘independence’ in this matter is…who funded their research? What motivated their research? There have been controversies in the past with conclusions reached by AEI. and their methods have been challenged as ‘ unscientific’.

  97. So the NFL was given a heads up that the Pats deflate balls. They check the pressure and its lower than the other teams balls. So…….

  98. hairpie2 says:
    Jun 13, 2015 10:02 AM

    Any fool knows this, how do the Pats get the picks back that were stolen though?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    In addition to the Slander Lawsuit the Patriots can recover the Picks stolen by Goodell through ‘THEFT by DECEPTION’

  99. The haters just can’t take it. They already have their tiny minds made up.
    If goodell eliminates the Brady suspension what will he do with the pats suspension?

  100. Answering a question with a question, again, I see.

    Show me one other team to cut their long term fumble rate in half in one off season with the same coach and QB.

    You explain how that’s possible and I’ll explain road games where Pats are also in charge of their own balls.

    *************************************
    Yes, the Indiannopolis Colts.

    I answered. Your turn. But you won’t.

  101. Folks, please read the report, I know some people want the Pats to hang, and others want the Colts to hang. For those questioning the Colts pressure…the report discusses this. Those balls were measured near the end of half-time, and had enough time to start moving towards equilibrium w/ their initial inflation temperature (the Officials Locker room temp between 71-74 degrees).

    The analysis by AEI, literally exonerates both teams of any wrongdoing. Let’s not turn this into ANOTHER witch hunt against the Colts. Some of their hierarchy may have acted in poor faith, but there is no evidence of wrongdoing.

    In fact, the Colts measuring the ball that they’d intercepted provides a very meaningful data point for the AEI analysis. As I said, please read the analysis, don’t start doing what the NFL, Goodell, Pash, Kensil and Troy Vincent have done to the Patriots. Remember, this can happen to any team now…and the owners should really be paying attention.

  102. I can’t wait to see the comments when Brady’s suspension is overturned and he starts week#1. Seems like the same posters making the same uninformed opinions, especially the one that calls Brady a racist.

    I was at 1 Patriots Place last Saturday as the Hall is under construction, making room for the additional Lombardi’s in the new Super Bowl wing.

  103. I wonder how much it cost the AEI to do their report. Imagine if good old Roger had put that 5 million into coming up with better equipment to help prevent concussions….nah, the commissioner (and the owners) apparently think a miniscule amount of air is more important than player safety.

  104. Answering a question with a question, again, I see.

    Show me one other team to cut their long term fumble rate in half in one off season with the same coach and QB.

    You explain how that’s possible and I’ll explain road games where Pats are also in charge of their own balls.

    ******************************
    Oh, Minnesota last year also cut fumbles in half compared to 2013. Don’t let facts stop you from answering the question though.

  105. The stuff about the Colts’ balls is BOGUS since their pressure was not recorded ie they could have been at 13.5 psi
    Pg. 73 of the Wells report gives post game measurements and guess what? The Colts’ balls were damn close to being under inflated.
    Also the Well’s report deliberately lies about gauge that Anderson used to measure inflation at check in. The logo stuff is manufactured crap. What matters is if the needle was bent or straight. Well’s made up the “logo” arguement to push the Well’s Goodel agenda.
    Am I missing something?

  106. I’m still waiting for direct evidence that shows Tom Brady directly or indirectly had footballs inflated or deflated to a certain PSI. So far, nothing. NOT giving up a personal cell phone isn’t evidence.

    Here’s what we do know: Wells had just as much evidence to implicate Colt players as he did Brady (the Colts also had footballs that weren’t properly inflated) and it also seems like there was a cover up to protect the Colts (only a portion of their footballs were checked, whereas all of the Patriots were). It is a lame excuse to say it was due to time constraint as the reason for not testing all the Colt’s footballs. As if the NFL really cares about delaying games.

    Not a fan of either team, just pointing out the inconsistencies.

  107. Again! Is it possible he just took a leak?

    He said he took a leak.

    They asked if it was a toilet or a urinal.

    He said a urinal.

    There is no urinal in that bathroom.

    Now I don’t know about everyone else, but I know the difference, especially at a bathroom I claim to use regularly like he did.

    Pats sorry, your team has cheated every year under Belicheat. First Spygate and now this.

    Of course logic says there’s more.

    #BradyisAlex
    #BradyisLance
    #BradyisBarry

  108. AEI believed there were WMD in Iraq

    As did the intelligence services of every nation, as well as some of Saddam’s own generals.

    Saddam perpetuated the notion for his own reasons.

  109. Answering a question with a question, again, I see.

    Show me one other team to cut their long term fumble rate in half in one off season with the same coach and QB.

    You explain how that’s possible and I’ll explain road games where Pats are also in charge of their own balls.

    ******************************

    I’ll also add add the following:

    2013
    Carolina
    San Diego

    2011
    New Orleans
    Buffalo

    2010
    Seattle

    2008
    Carolina

    Also they were at least eight instances of teams cutting their fumbling rate to 50% – 60% from the previous year since 2006. I left those teams off because it wasn’t in half like you wanted. Boy, this is fun.

  110. Hooterdawg – AEI was hired by the New York Times to do this analysis. They were also hired by the NFL and Ex-Commissioner Paul Tagliabue to review the evidence against the Saints in the Bountygate appeal, which is noted in the actual text of the analysis.

    Please read the documentation provided before making conspiracy theory comments.

  111. GAME..SET…MATCH..PATRIOTS!!!!!!!! SEE YOU IN GAME ONE TOM BRADY!!!!! THE REST OF THE LEAGUE AND THE CORRUPT COMISSIONERS OFFICE CAN GO POUND SAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUT OF COURSE THEY WILL IGNORE THE TRUTH BECAUSE IT WOULDN’T OF GIVEN THEM THE OUTCOME THEY WANTED!!!!!!!!!!

  112. XTRA, XTRA, XTRA

    Any day now, an investigative NY Times report will reveal that Wells is being paid under the table by the NY Jets and the Indy Colts to deliberately attack and try to cripple the Patriots to enhance their chances to post-season playoff chances.

    This will also give Goodell an out to rescind and erase any penalties that have been assessed against the Patriots as well as give the NFL reason to begin Wells-less investigations on the Jets and Colts since they were the teams who also pushed for the NFL to hire Wells to conduct his shoddy investigation.

    I know that this will be a rude awakening to Jets and Colts fans who see that their teams will never get by the Patriots and Brady to ever get to the Super Bowl, but I must also remind them that the Colts and Jets will also probably never get by the Broncos and Manning, or Ravens and Flacco, and never, ever get by the Steelers and Roethlisberger.

    So this stupid attempt to try to stack the deck against the Patriots has always been a fools game as the Jets and Colts will never get by the other AFC leaders to get to the Super Bowl.

    And now Irsay can finally go to a real druggie rehab and the NFL can begin to purge their staff of any former Jets employees.

  113. This ignores the most important facts, it was long rumored…
    ——————————————–
    Rumor as facts.
    ‘Merica education at it’s best.

    Science trumps all. Ideal Gas LAW. A fundamental Fact of the universe.
    I’ll take that over ‘long rumored facts’ any day.
    Here on PFT learning is fun:
    Another for you to chew on: Occam’s Razor”The principle states that among competing hypotheses that predict equally well, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.” This is from the late 1200’s. It must work pretty well to survive this long…

    So, a fundamental law of the universe that explains the ball measurements – or some devious scheme by half a dozen people to mess with the balls so carefully orchestrated by low level employees that a multimillion dollar investigation could not find the ‘smoking gun’ or any ‘facts’ or ‘proof’ of wrongdoing.

    Yeah.

  114. I love this agenda argument. So the NFL wanted to disgrace the highest profile player on one of the highest profile teams that is about to play the Super Bowl in 2 weeks, with the commissioners best pal as the owner of said team. Seems realistic

  115. Oh, Minnesota last year also cut fumbles in half compared to 2013. Don’t let facts stop you from answering the question though.

    Oh you mean when they changed coaches and QB.

    Didn’t I say the Pats didn’t change coaches or QBs and did it?

    Desperate, huh?

    Still no explanation other than cheating.

  116. We Patriot Fans thank you for pointing out the obvious but we’re On To 2016. But one last thing before we get started on our Superbowl Title Defense……Have you seen The Ring? It is such a Elegant yet Refined piece of art. Stunningly Radiant yet Subtle in it’s Perfect Kraftsmanship.

    I for One and SO PROUD of it’s design.

  117. Just stop covering up for these cheaters. They deflated balls all season, hence the lowest fumbling rate in the NFL. They already play in a crappy division and they still need an edge? Just do your time Pats, like Aaron Hernandez, and move on.

  118. At this point I really don’t much care what happens with Cheating Crybaby Tommy and the Patsies. In my book, their legacy is forever tarnished. I am merely hoping that one of the teams the Patsies play this year decides to take “appropriate measures” when on defense against the Cheaters.

    Forever*

  119. FoozieGrooler says:
    Jun 13, 2015 10:09 AM

    Nothing on this earth will ever change the Pats reputation.
    And rightfully so, they earned every bit of it.

    —————————————————-

    If you’re talking about their reputation as winners, then I’d agree with you. Otherwise, and I suspect that this is the case with you, you are nothing but a hater and you can take your opinion and your last-place team and shove it where the sun don’t shine.

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    seattlesue427 says:
    Jun 13, 2015 10:15 AM

    Deflator, needles, kickbacks, balloons, weight loss, really? A flurry of phone calls from the QB to the ball attendants? Game day activities weren’t monitored enough to be reliable. I think we can all agree on that. However, the investigation uncovered too much smoke to believe there’s not a fire somewhere. If Brady would have granted access to his emails, this all could have been resolved within days…either for or against the Pats. He’s the one to blame for this going on as long as it has. The NFL should suspend him for life just for that.

    ———————————————–

    Still butthurt over losing SB XLIX the way your Seahawks did, sue?

    ————————————————–

    solo681 says:
    Jun 13, 2015 10:23 AM

    You can make an argument for every individual piece, but at some point, you need to acknowledge something happened
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Where is your thinking ? Who owns your mind ?
    Does Goodell & the News Media have your brain in their hands molding it like putty to conform to their Perception of Reality?

    If You cry CHEATER, then YES – They Own You.
    The Great News is that you can escape and find Freedom.
    You have the power to Free Yourself by using LOGIC, REASON and Unbiased Judgment. It is YOUR CHOICE – You can Choose the FACTS or You will BELIEVE the SLANDER & LIES such as – “11 of 12 Patriots footballs were 10.5 psi.”
    Who fed you those LIES ? Goodell & the News Media and YOU BELIEVED IT.

    SCIENTIFIC FACT has exonerated Brady & the PATRIOTS. Why do you reject reality & truth ?

    You watched, with the WORLD, on National TV two distinct moments of recorded history how BRADY & the PATRIOTS were completely EXONERATED from any allegation of cheating.
    #1.) AFCCG second half with NFL Approved Rule 17 Footballs Patriots 28 – Colts 0
    Surely that would of been enough – but there is more.
    Brady & the PATRIOTS, placed under the intense pressure brought on with two weeks of LIES & SLANDER from Goodell and the News Media, face off at SuperBowl XLIX. Under the HIGHEST NFL Scrutiny ever recorded in NFL history, with Approved Rule 17 footballs AND against the #1 DEFENSE in the entire League ( possibly the BEST Defense in NFL History) Tom Brady SURPASSES (Breaks) NFL PASSING Records and the PATRIOTS defeat the Seahawks.

    BELIEVE the FACTS/TRUTH and the FACTS/TRUTH will set your Mind FREE.

    Continue to believe Falsehood & the News Media and your mind is OWNED.

    The Founding Fathers were Sons of Liberty and fought for FREEDOM – You can also.
    or
    Stay with Goodell and SUBMIT to Authoritarian Control = You are OWNED

    #FreeYourMind
    #AlwaysInnocentWithoutProof
    #TheTrueAmericanDream
    #OverThrowCorruptPowers
    #WeWillNotBeOwned

    ————————————————-

    Best post yet!

    PATRIOTS FOREVER!

  120. I’ll also add add the following:

    2013
    Carolina
    San Diego

    2011
    New Orleans
    Buffalo

    2010
    Seattle

    2008
    Carolina

    Also they were at least eight instances of teams cutting their fumbling rate to 50% – 60% from the previous year since 2006. I left those teams off because it wasn’t in half like you wanted. Boy, this is fun.

    Is ignorance bliss?

    If you don’t have an answer to the question, simply make up a new question.

    The Pats didn’t have a blip change or a change including a change in coaches or QBs.

    The Pats had a long term average which was very consistent immediately turn into a long term average which was half as many fumbles.

    Both averages had the same coach and QB.

    Are you tired of looking foolish?

  121. 1) They allow two different types of gauges, which have different pressure readings, to be used

    2) The refs, who handle the balls every play, didn’t notice that the balls were supposedly deflated

    The system that was in place is obviously so flawed that this case should have been thrown out, and used as a reason to put something more effective in place.

  122. You can parse air pressure readings and outside pressure all you want, but the text messages show that Patriot employees were messing with the balls per instructions from Brady. And there is no denying that Colts players noticed that the Pats balls were significantly under-inflated. Why is the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative outfit of dubious reputation, getting involved in an NFL issue?

  123. This is just the kind of “Shoot the Messenger” crapola that crazed Brady Worshippers love to wash down with their Belicheat Kool Aid. Patriots are cheaters. They cheat on a variety of levels and use a multitude of methods to cheat. But they are cheaters nonetheless and no American Institute of Anything is going to change that. Here, you’ll need these ****.

  124. In fact, the Colts measuring the ball that they’d intercepted
    ——————————————————
    Is actually against the rules as tampering. But that is incovienent for Goodell, so ignore it. Also ignore that almost all ‘facts’ in the case are being measured against faulty data. No one knows what the starting pressure was…so how can you make a judgement? No documentation, no case. This single fact would throw the whole thing out in court.
    What was the PSI before the game?
    -We think it was…
    How do you know did you document it?
    -no.
    Did you use the same gauge to measure at halftime?
    -No, we used to gauges, which were calibrated differently.
    Do you know which ones were used on which specific balls?
    -Well, we think we…
    Think? So you didn’t document it?
    -No.

    Case closed.

  125. .
    A. It’s getting embarrassing to read the judgemental comments from people who have reached their decision without reviewing the Wells Report( aka The Evidence).

    B. If you were Goodell, would you risk your 44 million salary on the Wells Report in federal court?

    C. Goodell desperately needs to find an exit ramp from this debacle. The AEI report gives him cover to throw Exponent under the bus, save Ted Wells reputation and keep Gardi

  126. As far as the fumbling issue, look at what the Giants were able to accomplish with Tiki Barber’s fumbling rate by coaching him on the technique he used to carry the ball.

  127. Oh you mean when they changed coaches and QB.

    Didn’t I say the Pats didn’t change coaches or QBs and did it?

    Desperate, huh?

    Still no explanation other than cheating.

    *********************************

    You answered it yourself. Thank you. Same coach, QB, system leads to fewer mistakes over time.

    You can put all the variables you want to give you the answer you desire, but at a certain point it is just not logical. Every time you add a variable to reach a desired outcome, it becomes less meaningful. And I am the one who is desperate?

  128. C. ( continued).

    …. and keep Gardi, Blandino, Kensil, Vincent, Pash, Kravitz, Mortenson, Harbaugh, Pagano, Grigson et al from testimony under oath.
    .

  129. ISO what do you think? Will Brady accept Goodell’s invitation for a face to face meeting or will he wait to the 23rd for his Union reps to plead his appeal?

  130. Show me one other team to cut their long term fumble rate in half in one off season with the same coach and QB.
    =============================
    I want to get in on this too, but I will use INTs instead of fumbles. Supposedly, QBs like their footballs to be a underinflated rather than overinflated so it makes sense that INTs would go down for any QB who cheats in this fashion. Correct?

    Eli Manning cut his INTs in half from 2013 to 2014, with the same coach. By using your analogy that deflated footballs being beneficial to a team, would you conclude that Eli cheated?

    Note: As a Charger fan, I have other reasons to dislike Eli, but I don’t believe him to be a cheater.

  131. beanzze says:
    Jun 13, 2015 11:22 AM
    I love this agenda argument. So the NFL wanted to disgrace the highest profile player on one of the highest profile teams that is about to play the Super Bowl in 2 weeks, with the commissioners best pal as the owner of said team. Seems realistic
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It goes much deeper and has to do with Controlling the Perception of Reality of the general masses.

    Prez Election Year 2016 – Powers that Be do not want the Patriots showing up. Not this time.

    The Giants served their purpose in 2008 & 2012

    The message was CLEAR for those who can see & understand.

    Report comment

  132. Is ignorance bliss?

    If you don’t have an answer to the question, simply make up a new question.

    The Pats didn’t have a blip change or a change including a change in coaches or QBs.

    The Pats had a long term average which was very consistent immediately turn into a long term average which was half as many fumbles.

    Both averages had the same coach and QB.

    Are you tired of looking foolish?

    *********************************

    You go to the coach/qb combo because there is no one else in the NFL with as long tenure as that of NE. No matter what else anyone brings up, you can always revert to that because it is incomparable. It is not a fair assessment, but it works for your agenda. So I have answered your question, when are you going to answer mine?

  133. Reminds me of something happens blatantly to a minority…then the news goes and finds a minority to shoot down the obvious story.

    Also its like republicans supporting laws to let companies spew carbon in the air…then when the weather gets extreme like a huge amount of snow falls…they say see theres no climate change weather is fine… under 8ft of snow.

    I hope when the NFL skewers Brady they take the skewer right through his clef chin and not his mouth

  134. As a Dolphins fan I have good reason to dislike the Patriots over the last 10-15 years but there is no way you can look at that report objectively and come to the same conclusions as Wells. People believe the Pats cheat regularly and this is a flimsy way to justify their biases. The report is speculative, disregards facts that don’t point to cheating and even disputes the testimony of the official’s account of what he himself did. There were some shady things going on at the league level and the evidence is shaky at best/fabricated at worst that the Patriots did anything wrong The officials did not act appropriately when they determined the balls were out of their control. That is really the only valid conclusion that can be made here. They should have rechecked the balls prior to game start. If you see something else and regard that as proof of cheating then you are not being objective.

  135. We’re the two guys fired because the stole equipment or fired because the league told the Pats to do it? I’m finding the Pat’s fans rationalization a a bit hard to follow.
    help.

  136. “truecowboyfan says:
    Jun 13, 2015 11:24 AM
    Just stop covering up for these cheaters. They deflated balls all season, hence the lowest fumbling rate in the NFL. They already play in a crappy division and they still need an edge? Just do your time Pats, like Aaron Hernandez, and move on.”

    They didn’t have the lowest fumbling rate, they had the 7th lowest and were first in fumbles lost, which is the result of good luck. Unless you are saying a lower PSI makes it easier for Patriots players to recover footballs lying on the ground than any other team, which would be stupid.

  137. realitycheckbaby says:

    Are you tired of looking foolish?

    *********************************

    Irony

    noun
    the expression of one’s meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.
    ““Don’t go overboard with the gratitude,” he rejoined with heavy irony”
    synonyms: sarcasm, causticity, cynicism, mockery, satire, sardonicism
    “that note of irony in her voice”

  138. haha,
    “Unless you are saying a lower PSI makes it easier for Patriots players to recover footballs lying on the ground than any other team,”

    Obviously the Patriots did extensive testing of how footballs with various levels of inflation bounce, and trained their players accordingly. That way they were able to anticipate where the ball would be after a fumble.

  139. You hate us cuz you ain’t us…..
    =====================
    Please, many of us are NFL fans and we dislike what the league is doing here. Many of us who aren’t even Patriots fans are on Tom Brady’s side in this manner.

    Your ‘hate us cuz you ain’t us’ post just makes you look silly. Grow up.

  140. Are you kidding me? This right wing group of hacks is supposed to give credence to the criticism of the Wells Report?

    What, nobody home at InfoWars, Redstates, Stormfront, Breitbart or Fox News?

  141. churchofthehoody says:
    Jun 13, 2015 9:41 AM
    “You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain”

    – Tom Brady, AKA Two Face
    —-
    Fixed it for you.

  142. I thought one of the reasons the Pats gave was that during the first half of the game, the Colts balls were protected from the elements and kept warm in a bag on the sidelines? Plus their offense was not on the field much. So how much did room temperature have to do with the Colts balls? I don’t see how you can have it both ways.

  143. ATTENTION All STATISTICIANS & Haters

    I have a challenge for you.

    CHALLENGE #1.) Statisticians : Calculate/Determine what the Probability would be for a NFL QB that “CHEATED ” his way to the AFC Championship Game ( with illegal underinflated footballs) up to the first half of the game and then be made to throw NFL Approved Rule 17 Footballs for the entire second half with the results ending up with the accused Cheater winning the game with a 28 -0 advantage. What would the Probability of that result be?

    #2.) What would the Probability be of the same QB who,“CHEATED throughout his career”, just one game later, go on to breaking (surpassing) NFL SuperBowl Passing records with Rule 17 NFL Approved Footballs against the #1 DEFENSE in the entire NFL League (perhaps entire NFL history) and that same QB (CHEATER) wins that SB Game. What would the Probability of that result be?

    Did not Well$ use his own prosecutorial assumptions to come to a “More Probable Then Not” guilty charge?

    What is the Probability that Well$ conclusion of “More Probable then Not” is MUCH MORE Likely NOT PROBABLE?, and thusly an ERRONEOUS CONCLUSION?

  144. I agree stupid fool and even four game for Brady is surmountable. Ben was out for four, steelers went 3-1. To Belichek I think that will be the challenge, to do better than Tomlin. Cries I think they won eleven e year Brady was hurt.
    The draft pick loss, that is hard. Look how aggressively Belichek goes after picks and some of the talent he lets go in order to get them. Losing two is a big deal.

  145. GUILTY.

    Yet again you have a non-qualified party challenging a princeton physics professor and a major engineering firm.

    All of the issues raised by the AEI report are addressed in the exponent report.

    This one will fade away too. Kraft’s buddies can’t save him.

  146. Ted Wells would comment on this if he wasn’t chasing an ambulance for his next client. Any lawyer will tell you to not let the truth influence a good jump to judgement.

  147. Also its like republicans supporting laws to let companies spew carbon in the air…then when the weather gets extreme like a huge amount of snow falls…they say see theres no climate change weather is fine… under 8ft of snow.
    ==============================
    Lol. In your world, before Republicans ever came into existence, there was NEVER 8ft of snow anywhere.

    AEI would call your post “unreliable”

  148. Tavisteelersfan, you seem very concerned about the 2 individuals fired. They were fired from a 1 day a week part time job. This was not their career, their livelihood. And losing jobs in life happens. Big deal that they can not work in the NFL anymore. I laugh at players, fans and sports media people that always cry when a player is suspended that their livelihood or means to support themselves has been taken away. They can do what most of all the other Americans need to do, go find another.

  149. BTW the authors of that report have a background and degrees in…..wait for it…..ECONOMICS! LOL.

  150. holeinone09 says:
    Jun 13, 2015 11:24 AM
    At this point I really don’t much care what happens with the Patriots and the Greatest QB of all-time, Tom Brady…

    Of course you and the rest of the Patriots Envy Club care. If you did not care you and your club-mates would not be trolling every Patriots related article with Pats Envy posts. You care, and you are scared to death that this current illicit attempt by Goodell and his henchmen to prevent the Patriots from reaching another AFC Championship game and Super Bowl will fail just as the previous attempt failed.

    We Pats fans hope you are correct and that Goodell has failed once again.

  151. The pats footballs had time to warm up too. As noted in the exponent report, based on their experiments it takes around 6 minutes to fully reach their original full pressure. So at least half of the pats’ footballs should have been in the 12.5 range. None were even close, using any guage, and one was as low as 10.9psi using the HIGHER reading gauge.

    Add to that, the video of the “deflator” stealing the footballs, threatening to go to espn, and more….GUILTY.

    I am sure, as is the norm on this site, this post will soon be CENSORED. Never seen anything like this on the web.

  152. Yet again you have a non-qualified party challenging a princeton physics professor and a major engineering firm.

    ===============
    A Princeton physics professor? As if that makes a difference. We have a president who graduated from Harvard in constitutional law who . . . . Oh, never mind, lets keep politics out of this.

    All I’m saying is being from some place with certain “credentials” doesn’t make one an expert. Not anymore.

  153. Here’s what Brady did wrong; he uncharacteristically ridiculed Harbough and the NFL officials by his remark that they should have known the rules. Not a punishable offence but a regrettable faux-pas.
    McNally did two things wrong. Threatening Brady as he did by insinuating he would infate the balls to a level that would hurt Brady’s QB rating, had it come to light separately, would have resulted in his immediate dismissal. Second- Taking the balls out of the officials room unattended, is a rules violation. The team can legitimately be penalized for that. So both actions would have negative consequences on him and the Patriots.
    Jastremski did three things wrong. First he listened to McNally’s diatribe against Brady and did nothing. He should have brought that to the team’s attention. Second, he gave McNally stuff that he was aware he shouldn’t have. Third, he kept stuff that he shouldn’t have. He should have been repremended for the first and probably fired for the second and third. But there was no league violation in any of that.
    What Goodell and his minions have done wrong is too numerous to list here. But they will be documented in court. And Goodell and several of his cronies will be fired.
    What Wells did wrong was to venture way beyond his competence by drawing conclusions to scientific data that he obviously has not one iota of familiarity about. He also willing extended the sham that Goodell made clear he wanted. I doubt he can be disbarred for scientific idiocy. But he should be for agreeing to do Goodell’s bidding. What a fool.
    The end results? Goes to court. Brady wins. Patriots recover fines paid. Goodell and cronies fired. Wells ridiculed by his peers. All will again be right with the world.

  154. Florio, thank you.

    Just like the last time a Super Bowl MVP was in trouble, you and PFT provide actual in context content. This is all entertainment but there are always those times when the people deserve an honest appraisal. PFT has been the most accurate during this entire Deflategate saga. This should be your first book. Just imagine it as one long post. It would be a best seller, NYT Top 10 List immediately.

  155. So, a non-profit organization specializing in the defending of social issues that exists 100% via grants and donations chimes in to Brady’s defense. Lets check thier recent donars list before we value thier opinion as anything more than a prepaid infomercial for the Patriots.

  156. That’s worth knowing MV I had no idea. Makes sense now that you say it, a full time year round job seems a bit much for equipment guys.

    Changes the impact for sure, it is a degree thing though. The AEA is not arguing on behalf of the two bottom of the ladder guys whacked by this. Nor are most. Everyone seems content to se them gone. But Brady out four game checks, brings wailing and bashing of the teeth.

  157. ===============
    A Princeton physics professor? As if that makes a difference.

    ——————-

    the laws of physics are the laws of physics, they aren’t open to interpretation or politics.

    you believe that a noble prize winner would sully his reputation by making statements that every other person who knows physics could easily see were wrong.

    you believe this.

    you. believe. this.

  158. So many idiots on here. Wonder how many actually read Wells report or AEI or Carnegie Mellon or MIT. If you had you would realize Ted Wells was a hired gun for the NFL to get the judgement they needed. NFL never wanted this scandal but the Colts and certain people in front office (namely Mike Kensil & Jeff Pash) wanted to embarrass the Pats. Why? Well the Colts are run by silver spoon fed brat that also happens to be an unstable drug addict & sick of losing to NE. The NFL front office has guys like Kensil & Pash who have NYJ history with Belichick and within NFL circles people know there is deep hatred going both ways. So once this blowup into a huge scandal, even bigger than the Colts, Kensil, Pash, etc.., even imagined….the best way out for NFL was not to admit that their front office is littered with idiots, but rather try to find some blame, any blame, on NE. Not sure many of you actually know Ted Wells resume or the research form he uses in Exponent, but if you did you would realize the guys is an ambulance chaser.

    Having said all this, the problem for NE and Brady is there is no way Goodell will go against Wells report. Not because he hates Brady or Pats, but because Wells is the guy the NFL has paid over $50 million to for 3 reports. All 3 have been called into question for either bias and/or incompetency….NFL head trauma where Wells had Exponent try to show football does not out you at greater risk for concussions. This report was laughed at by everyone outside of NFL offices….Next report was Bullygate in Miami which when you research was bias for Martin and really prob could have and does happen in 80% of NFL locker rooms. Typical hazing nonsense, but because no one cares about Miami these days no one argued for them….finally the Deflategate report that has been torn to shreds by every CREDIBLE expert (MIT, Carnegie Mellon, Columbia, HeadLabs, AEI, Northwestern, etc…).

    So all you morons that post opinion with no actual facts or even basic knowledge of the facts, shut up already.

  159. It brings me great joy everytime a deflate gate story is posted and I get to read the haters comments. I love it. Please trolls and sons of trolls, please keep crying, keep wishing your team was half as good for half as long as the Patriots.

  160. Pats are cheaters. Period. Not once, but twice. And I’m bet n more than that. All truth be told. There was never a charge brought down against Big Ben, but all of you stiller hate pukes wanted his head. I’m not say n he’s innocent, by any means, but fact is fact. Something happened in that bathroom in that bar in Georgia. And it gave the league a blackeye. And now the golden boy has given the league a blackeye. It’s time to pay up, patriot nation. Your boy may be the best there ever was. And believe me it turns my guts to say it. But he screwed up, and he’s gotta pay for it. Welcome to our world.

  161. I’m a lawyer and the wells report is 100% laughable. To think that the NFL would hire such a law firm to conduct such a report that’s based off opinion and no facts, blows me away. It just shows its all about who you know in the law world and not what you know. I guarantee that Brady’s legal team will have a hay day with this report… And if Goodell doesn’t do the right thing, then he can kiss his career good bye as it’ll then go federal.

  162. Science & Logic has a cleansing purpose.

    When properly applied it squeezes our brains so that the stupidity comes out our ears.

    But, when you cover your ears during this process (haters) the stupidity stays in and the pressure continues to build resulting in mental paralysis.

  163. That greedy, cowardly smurf Bob Kraft should have fought this harder. 1rst round pick? What a joke. This will go down as one of the biggest debacles in NFL history when all is said and done.

  164. And for you idiots…McNally, aka “The Deflator”, he was a game day employee. Meaning not only was he part time, but he basically only worked the day of home games…10 game including preseason. For the record Pats have emails to leave office stating they suspended JJ and McNally per league request….Goodell says that was not at league request….but like in Ray Rice, AP, Richard Sherman, Williams duo, Bountygate, etc… Goodell has a strong track record of omitting the truth or flat out lying.

  165. ragujar- Couple things…

    As far as the Colts’ concerns in their home game: Jim McNally was not present at that game. The locker room attendant is provided by the home team, which means that it was the Colts’ guy handling both the Colts’ and Pats’ balls for that game. Their concern was that the Pats’ ball boys were adjusting the balls on the sideline, which neither the NFL’s initial investigation nor the Wells report finds any evidence supporting.

    You misunderstand the 2006 rule change. It allowed both teams to prepare game balls to their liking. Prior to this rule change, *all balls were new* and handled by the NFL. Home teams were not even allowed to modify the balls to their like prior to this rule change.

    As far as Brady not turning over his phone: they already had all communications between him and Jastremski. There was no need to submit his phone, and it *would* set a bad precedent for the NFLPA. Favre didn’t turn his phone over when accused of sending illicit photographs to a team employee and only received a $50k fine. Game day and team employees aren’t part of a union, and so don’t have much protection in regard to this.

    Finally, you seem to have no idea what this report addresses whatsoever. In 2006, the NFL changed rules such that both teams could prepare balls to their liking. The only contention of the Colts’ and Wells report is that the Pats operated outside of this rule by deflating their game balls after inspection. This report provides sound scientific explanations for the Wells reports’ contentions and an excellent statistical analysis of the methods used by Wells to reach his conclusion and determines that the purported “deflation” is actually *less* probable than not.

  166. stoopidfool says:
    Jun 13, 2015 11:39 AM
    You hate us cuz you ain’t us…..

    It was awesome watching the pats win another Super Bowl ….. The rest is just noise
    ======

    Always laugh at these kinds of posts.

    Dude, no one is jealous of you because you root for a successful team, because everyone knows you yourself actually accomplished absolutely nothing.

    The Patriots didn’t win the Super Bowl because you wear a Tom Brady jersey, fanboy.

  167. Dick Cheney’s wife is in the AEI…. that should be all you need to know.

    -=====================
    Michelle Obama’s husband is in the White House. That should be all YOU need to know.

  168. Actually the so-called science in the Wells Report has already been contradicted by numerous demonstrations coming out of other labs. Also the Wells scientists ignore some crucial facts and the result in an erroneous leap to conclusions not supported by the data

  169. Brady’s phone! Brady’s phone! So are we to believe that if Brady turned over his phone and nothing incriminating was found- the haters would say the Patriots were not guilty? Please…

  170. Obama got elected TWICE IN A ROW due to a party of STUPID Republicans. That’s all YOU need to know!

  171. “Wonder how many actually read Wells report or AEI or Carnegie Mellon or MIT”

    Neither Carnegie Mellon nor MIT have refuted the Exponent report contained within the Wells report. They are too smart for that. Both CM and MIT issued analysis prior to the wells report being issued. And Carnegie mellon did not issue a report at all. It was an affiliate called headsmart labs.

    Like I have said, no credible technical authority has challenged the Exponent technical analysis.

  172. aquibtoleavedarrelleleaveus says:
    Jun 13, 2015 10:34 AM

    …not to mention pats fans unwavering support of A Hernandez, shows their ignorance for what happens on the field also.
    ====================================

    “pats fans unwavering support”

    Really? I live less than 10 miles from Hernandez’s former home….. tell me who, yea, someone, a real person, not a figment of your imagination, that was supporting him.

  173. luther6 says:
    Jun 13, 2015 9:47 AM

    AEI believed there were WMD in Iraq.
    —————————–
    There were. Ask the survivors of the gas attacks on his own people. Was it really a surprise they couldn’t be found in Iraq when they had been moved, maybe to Syria. Syria has put them to much the same use.

  174. “Actually the so-called science in the Wells Report has already been contradicted by numerous demonstrations coming out of other labs.”

    Wrong. Those “labs” issued analysis PRIOR to the wells report. Since the report was issued, theyve said nothing.

  175. It is hysterical reading comments by Pats fans, they act like this topic is up for debate. This report pointed out that one insignificant piece of the Wells report wasn’t 100% bulletproof but it doesn’t account for the numerous other sections that make it obvious to everyone that the Pats did it. Even if this report has validity it doesn’t exonerate the Pats lol. Its time to put this story to rest and move on, its over with.

  176. It’s truly amazing how gullible some of you are. You want so badly to believe that Brady is the target of a NFL conspiracy when he clearly is not.

    Contrary to the belief of many of you who think the AEI report is some type of smoking gun, it’s not. The AEI report was done by economists not scientists. It is not a definitive statement that exonerates Brady and the Patriots.

    Florio may give AEI credit for getting the Saints players suspensions overturned, but that doesn’t make a lot of sense given the fact that the suspensions were overturned because it was found that Goodell never had the authority to punish the players in the first place per the CBA.

  177. Dick Cheney’s wife is in the AEI…. that should be all you need to know.
    ———————
    I certainly despise the AEI but applying the ideal gas law to some footballs is very simple physics.

    I understand that people are emotionally invested in the opinions they hold, that’s human nature, and that many people jumped to the wrong conclusion because the NFL leaked bad numbers and left those numbers unchallenged for months.

    The new fact is that every actual physicist willing to do the analysis on the actual numbers reported by Wells has concluded that the Wells report made unsubstantiated claims.

    It is interesting to observe the reaction people have to new information when it invalidates one of their current beliefs.

    In the case of this comedy it is merely entertaining but it is the same behavior that often makes a depressing travesty out of public discourse when the issues are important ones.

  178. remembertheagenda says:
    Jun 13, 2015 9:40 AM
    So just ignore the guy that took the balls into the bathroom AFTER the balls were checked..

    And the fact that the team fired the guys whose texts pretty much confirm the deliberate cheating.

    And the fact that NONE of the Colts balls (even the ones they did measure) dropped significantly in PSI.

    #Guilty
    ________________________
    Oh so you read it. Good job. Yeah we CAN go ahead and ignore it because NEs balls weren’t deflated. So all of that is absolutely irrelevant.

    #Innocent

  179. Florio just stop,
    You can’t ridicule the NFL for using Ted Wells as a hired gun to come to a predetermined result and find the Pats guilty on the one hand, and then act like a report from AEI that attacks the Wells report is any different.

    The Kraft Group is a major AEI donor, and AEI’s sole purpose in existing is to defend its conservative donors’ causes. They have advocated for and issued reports defending Big Tobacco, Climate Change denial, less Wall Street Reform, a lower minimum wage, ALEC Voter ID Laws, etc….

    An AEI report by its very definition lacks “truly independent analysis.”

  180. That’s all YOU need to know! Trust me, I know.

    Just so YOU know Obama was elected twice because STUPID Democrats elected him.

  181. Why New England has such a hard time with all of this is because in the end if the Patriots did something wrong and got caught and the evidence was present, then yes. Throw the book at them. Take it all away. We as fans were ready for that if the evidence was there.

    That is when this scandal turned from scandal into Shakespearean tragedy. The facts are not there and actually the science is massively on the Patriots side. And the NFL, while perhaps not running a sting operation, had malefic intent when carrying this out.

    Brady didn’t do anything and in fact is being singled out as unequal in the eyes of the NFL. Gostkowski didn’t render his phone and got no fine or suspension. Brady in the end is only guilty of that, not turning over his phone, yet his career is being tarnished along with a 4 game suspension. Gostkowski got off clean, just more evidence that the NFL makes it up as it goes.

  182. Read up on AEI, they are noted climate-change deniers and received over $1B from ExxonMobil. Their board includes CEOs of huge drug companies like Merck and Amgen.

    Clearly friends of Robert Kraft doing him a solid.

  183. Yes haters please keep citing all the irrelevant things you need to in order to keep crying guilty. This report is indisputable logic supported completely by stats. The truth is that none of the whining about phones, and suspensions, and bathrooms, and Colts footballs, and fumbles mean anything if the Pats footballs aren’t lower than expected. And it’s statistically proven by a neutral 3rd party that they aren’t. All of your whining looks foolish now. Congrats

  184. professorwyrmbog says:
    Jun 13, 2015 12:46 PM
    Florio just stop,…

    The Kraft Group is a major AEI donor, and AEI’s sole purpose in existing is to defend its conservative donors’ causes.”

    *********************

    KRAFT FOODS is a donor- NOT the Kraft Group, a totally unrelated entity… Just keep making up stuff as you go along…

  185. No Urinal does it have a toilet? Then how can we call it a bathroom? Also so what if the Pats have or may have cheated what 2X in 10 yrs. This is what happens when one does him homework about a 3rd of the league has cheated as much several teams have cheated more incl the Jets. they have 2 spygates 06&011 to the Pats one. One thing I se common among haters is they badmouth the Pats hate on them no matter what so the fact I speak with an educated opinion means nothing to them. That is because by appearances reality seems to evade them

  186. Rootpain, TB was not candid with investigators, another violation. Not one Patriot fan has ever addressed why TB did this. He sunk himself in his press conference. He stuck to his story in the Wells report and got burned by his own words.

  187. I would have an easier time accepting that the League was trying to protect the integrity of the game if officials had also been disciplined.

    The Wells Report established that:

    1) Officials introduced illegal balls into the Patriots/Jets game in November. The same text messages that are used to establish Brady’s guilt establish this as well.

    2) Officials introduced at least 1 illegal ball into the second half of the AFC Championship Game. Balls were measured at the end of the game and one Patriots ball came back at 13.6. If all balls lose PSI in cold weather over the course of the game (as demonstrated in the Wells Report), what was the actual PSI in this ball when the officials added air at half time? 14.4? 14.5?

    3) Walt Anderson’s crew failed to executive a League directive to watch for suspicious activity and managed to lose track of 2 bags of footballs. Bags that could not easily be tucked underneath a baseball cap. One would assume that McNally left the room with the footballs…you know…over his shoulder. How do you miss that???

    As a Patriots fan, I don’t believe that Goodell was out to get them from the start. But I do believe that after the factually incorrect ESPN report made Deflategate a national news story and 31 fan bases were outraged, he saw this as a quick fix to restore some of his own credibility after his spectacular failures surrounding domestic violence.

    While there may have been a “preponderance of evidence” that
    something happened at some point (I’m not so sure about the AFCCG) with the Patriots taking air out of footballs, there’s certainly also a “preponderance of evidence” that League officials have compromised the integrity of the game by their handling of the footballs as well. Yet nothing was done about that. Why? Because that would’ve made the League look bad…and this is not about the integrity of the “game”, it’s about the public image of Roger Goodell.

  188. 2 reasons why one the NFLPA and his lawyers told him not to. You’d have to ask them why. 2. There are conflicting eyewitness reports one says Wells asked for hims phone ut gave no indication he’d respect Brady’s privacy since it is Tom’s phone the second was Wells said Brady could hold the phone while Wells look at it. So if an investigator asks you for your phone you are just gonna give it up? No warrant no nothing. OK I am an investigator I wanna see your phone.

  189. ejmat2 says:Jun 13, 2015 10:35 AM

    To me, this is a crock. Regardless that there was only 4 Colt balls tested the fact is they were all still at the correct level whereas there is proof the equipment employee for the Patriots broght the footblls into the locker room when he shouldn’t have after they were already tested. The fact 11 of them were all under the appropriate level is also FACT.
    ___________________
    So you admit that you didn’t read the Wells report. Please read the AEI study at the very least. All of the info about the Colts and Pats balls is there. The laws of physics tell us that the footballs will lose pressure. It isn’t magic it’s science. NEs footballs were at the expected level. The Colts balls were not. Wells shows us this but writes the opposite. It has nothing to do with 12.5 to 13.5, and everything to do with simple physics. Open your mind, look at the raw numbers then look at the expected levels from the ideal gas law. The Colts balls SHOULD of been under the regulated range, and 3 readings show they were, but even those were too high.

  190. science was anyway ignore by wells. even in the angry presser they avoided the question of the gauges but just sayng “science” was right.
    As far as the deflator texts go…they are from May of that year and there is no evidence in texts which says brady asked them to reduce the psi. In fact the post jets game texts where brady sounds incensed that the footballs were 16PSI and asks jaz and mcnally to show the refs the rule book that it should be 13 PSI , this narrative has been totally ignored by the mainstream media and people who dislike the pats. Why would brady who in one set of text emssages ask the refs to read the rulebook and turn around and orchestrate a 2 psi reduction every game ?

  191. piratefreedom says:
    Jun 13, 2015 12:43 PM
    Dick Cheney’s wife is in the AEI…. that should be all you need to know.
    ———————
    I certainly despise the AEI but applying the ideal gas law to some footballs is very simple physics.

    I understand that people are emotionally invested in the opinions they hold, that’s human nature, and that many people jumped to the wrong conclusion because the NFL leaked bad numbers and left those numbers unchallenged for months.

    The new fact is that every actual physicist willing to do the analysis on the actual numbers reported by Wells has concluded that the Wells report made unsubstantiated claims.

    It is interesting to observe the reaction people have to new information when it invalidates one of their current beliefs.

    In the case of this comedy it is merely entertaining but it is the same behavior that often makes a depressing travesty out of public discourse when the issues are important ones.

    ——–

    Problem is, this ISN’T new information, it’s simply a new OPINION. An opinion formulated by a group of people who, lo and behold, have biases of their own.

    There are enough PHDs on both sides of this argument to render your claim of unanimity false. But it is equally interesting to observe the behavior of people who are fully entrenched in their opinion regardless. They have claimed victory and are shouting down any disagreement on the grounds of a report issued by a group whose bona fides are as dubious as Exponent’s.

  192. In other words I think i educated my opinion then I made my opinion therefore my mind is closed and because I made my opinion and I am rigtht I cannot be challenged I got news for those people yes you can be challenged

  193. Just give up the phone, Tommy. Its not just about your reputation, you’re hurting the team. Even BB won’t support you anymore. Time to do the RIGHT THING and be a man.

  194. So now that the Patriots have been completely exonerated by this report, the only question is what will the penalties be for Mortensen, ESPN, Kravitz, Irsay, Pagano, Goodell, Harbaugh, Kensill and the entire Colt, Raven, Jets and Steeler organizations. All of these people-entities need to pay a severe price.

  195. There is zero evidence, no texts, no e-mails, no over-heard conversations, no video or audio recordings that Brady ever told anyone to deflate footballs below 12.5 PSI.

    There is no actual evidence of the balls being deflated after the referees having approved the footballs. The only evidence that’s credible is that McNally had the nickname deflator and went to the bathroom. We don’t know what he did in the bathroom. He was just as likely taking a piss as he was deflating a football.

    There are major flaws in the science in the Wells Report. There is now reasonable doubt that the footballs were ever deliberately deflated below 12.5 psi. Without the science to prove it, the rest of Wells assumptions falls apart.

  196. Ted Wells insisted that he didn’t expect Tom Brady to give him his cell phone, that all he had to do was go through the phone and pick out texts that had to do with the investigation. He said he wouldn’t even take possession of the phone, but Brady still refused…

    But if there was no texts on Tom Brady’s phone that had anything to do with the investigation, there would be nothing to show. And since Wells had access to everyone else’s phone, and there was no texts from Brady on any of them indicating he wanted the balls pressure to be lower, a rational person would assume there was no such texts sent at all. That would indicate that Ted Wells accusation that Brady didn’t co-operate is not true at all.

    If the punishment on Brady was based on his not cooperating, the punishment is unjust. If Goodell comes to his senses and decides that the Ted Wells report is unreliable, then he should also reverse the team punishment and give them back their two draft picks.

  197. hivelocityimpactsplatter says:
    Jun 13, 2015 1:11 PM
    ]
    There are enough PHDs on both sides of this argument to render your claim of unanimity false.

    —-

    If you could point me to where a physics doctorate has attached his reputation to a report that looks at the real numbers (not the leaked numbers that we now know are false) and says the Wells report is correct I would appreciate that new information.

  198. I love how the haters take the “opinion” of Wells as pure fact, without questioning any of the sketchy details in his report and igoring his conflict of interest. But then they immediately question the credibility of AEI as their report goes completely against their argument.

    Watching the haters continue to ignore the facts and logic is very entertaining.

    #tableshaveturned

  199. ragujar says:
    Jun 13, 2015 9:48 AM

    Aren’t we pass whether doctoring of the balls happened? They complained about this last time they played (In a DOME),
    =====================

    The HOME team has possession of the footballs for BOTH teams after the game officials have checked and approved them. So if the Colts thought that the balls from the Week 11 game were under inflated, how could that be? The home team had possession and control of the game balls. Maybe the Colts are the ones that need to come clean. My b.s. meter is at Defcon 2 and rising.

  200. The AEI also paid scientists to say that climate change isn’t real.

    The Patriots are cheaters.

  201. I was reading an article on PFT last night about the Buccaneers picking up Tim Wright after the Patriots released him.

    I mentioned how interesting it was that the comments section was filled with intelligent and well thought out points. It was also noted that if it was the Steelers, Ravens, Colts (or any of the other usual suspects) that picked up Wright, the comments would have been filled with anti Patriots propaganda.

    Funny how that works when the conversation involves Patriots fans and fans of teams that aren’t Patriots bitter rivals.

    When it comes to the Patriots, they rack up division titles. They’re always appearing in AFC Championship games. They’re always appearing in Super Bowls. And they’re racking up Super Bowl wins … while their rivals are not.

    You can’t beat them on the field, so you do everything you can to try and get your off the field victories.

    When you constantly try and cut down and diminish the accomplishments of those that are more successful than you … it always points back to the one doing the cutting down. There are countless documented psychological conditions that support this.

    The bashers are the only ones that don’t see it. They swear everybody else is on their side. While in reality, everybody is just laughing at them and shaking their heads.

  202. tavisteelersfan says: Jun 13, 2015 11:40 AM
    We’re the two guys fired because the stole equipment or fired because the league told the Pats to do it? I’m finding the Pat’s fans rationalization a a bit hard to follow. help.
    —————+—————-
    You clearly do need help, as do all the other hating trolls who are running out of manipulated evidence and faked stories. The two guys weren’t fired, but suspended. The NFL says not by them, but league rules require it so the Pats had no choice. They did apparently take some items they shouldn’t have and were rude/unprofessional in some of their texts – both of which are valid reasons to terminate the job of a part-time game-day employee if (and probably when) that happens. Is that rational enough for you?

  203. “So now that the Patriots have been completely exonerated by this report, the only question is what will the penalties be for Mortensen, ESPN, Kravitz, Irsay, Pagano, Goodell, Harbaugh, Kensill and the entire Colt, Raven, Jets and Steeler organizations. All of these people-entities need to pay a severe price.”

    ————————————-

    Mortensen needs to burn. This guy should be fired immediately and be banned from all things journalism. Then have the pants sued off of him.

  204. Just the simple fact that the Wells Report left out crucial data should be enough to show that it was flawed from the start. He took 103 days and the report is 243 pages long, but he uses those 243 pages to consistently twist the facts to adhere to his version of events. It seems more likely than not that Roger Goodell was in a no win situation and told Ted Wells to do whatever he needed to do to make it look like Brady is guilty. If Goodell had spent that amount of money and the report found Brady innocent, it would have made him look even worse than he already looked after all those other high profile cases. This whole deflatgate bull was just enough to get the media to stop talking about the important things the NFL is dealing with. Concussions, HGH use and bad behavior off the field by some of the biggest stars. So now he has soiled the sterling reputation of one of the biggest stars and one of the most respected players ever. Great job Goodell.

  205. The truth seems to have caught some people by surprise when it smacked them in the head.

    It takes a good smack and some serious facts to erase over 4 months of lies

  206. bruvern wrote:

    “If Goodell had spent that amount of money and the report found Brady innocent, it would have made him look even worse than he already looked after all those other high profile cases.”

    —————————————-

    Here is the other thing that isn’t talked about very much. This whole fiasco was not only the biggest sports story all of the 2 Super Bowl weeks, it was also the biggest news story in general. The nightly news started with this story on all major networks on multiple nights.

    ESPN, ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox are major broadcast partners of the NFL. If they were running with this story and got everybody talking about it and hyping it up the way they did, how would they look if it turned out that there was no wrong doing by anybody?

    If the report said, “Yeah, nobody was at fault here. Simple science explains everything. Everybody as you were … nothing to see here.”

    How would the news outlets look then? Remember, the news outlets that are all of the NFL’s major broadcast partners. They would look like the biggest fools on the face of the earth.

    The Wells report’s conclusion is exactly what they needed. “We can’t prove it, but we think that maybe Tom Brady knew about it. He may have been generally, possibly aware of it. We’ll punish the already hated Patriots, everybody will forget about this whole fiasco and move on.”

    Somebody got the blame to take the fall, instead of those who were truly at fault. Protecting the shield at it’s finest.

  207. ampats says:
    Jun 13, 2015 11:04 AM
    I can’t wait to see the comments when Brady’s suspension is overturned and he starts week#1. Seems like the same posters making the same uninformed opinions, especially the one that calls Brady a racist.
    ————————————————-

    The greatest thing about this whole episode is that we get to hear the whining of ampats over people making judgments about his guy without (wahhhh!!!) looking into the facts. Oh how I love to drink the delicious tears of your sorrows!

    You had no problem, my man, jumping to conclusions about a certain rival team’s QB when he was accused of something that would be proven false later. You had no problem labeling him something based on your OWN uninformed opinions. You had no problem expressing your unfounded “outrage” when common sense and the facts dictated he was accused wrongfully. But NOW? Now doing what YOU did first is suddenly some crime. Wahhhhhhhhhh!!!

    You can’t wait to see the comments when Brady plays week one? Sorry, just like YOUR OWN admission of being wrong that should have come, they won’t come either. Don’t worry, people will STILL call your boy a cheat and a fraud. So prepare yourself to continue whining on about the injustice of it all — and entertaining the heck out of me!

    You see, you don’t realize what Deflategate
    is REALLY about: it’s what goes around, comes around. For you and all your other Pats fans pals who labeled other teams’ players without looking into the facts.

    Getting a taste of your own medicine? I love it!

  208. This is what needs to happen. And not just to your beloved patriots. 😝But to all rule breakers. In all sports. Nobody is above the rules. Not Tom, not Adrian, not Ben. NOBODY!! Rules need to be enforced. And as much as we all ‘love’ Roger Goddell, we still gotta live with him till he’s gone. Hopefully sooner than later. Nonetheless, he’s the enforcer. And ‘ya boy’ Robert was his biggest fan. It’s only 4 games. Which will be reduced to 2. Or less I’d bet. Suck it up. Detrimental to the game is the phrase I think I heard. Roger will, and should protect the shield. It’s his job. It’s why they put him there.

  209. And the Patriots win again. Another victory in the 15 consecutive years of Patriot Dominance. If the Haters only knew how much their Hate actually provides so much happiness for Patriot Nation. Patriot fans thrive off of your silly little tirades. Try and win on the football field you silly little Haters. Ooops, I forgot, your teams are so horrific that you have absolutely ZERO chance of beating the Patriots on the field. Oh how we Patriot fans enjoy it so much. Please keep up the Hate you filthy Haters, it gives us so much pride and so much more satisfaction!!

  210. Since 2007 the New England Patriots fumbled at a higher rate during home games.

    The so called “deflator” was sitting at his house watching games during away games where they fumbled at a lesser rate.

    You people are reaching for anything. You hate this team that much and it’s amusing .

  211. Brady will serve all four games and he will drop this. He will not ever testify under oath and neither will JM an JJ.

  212. Yo, patriotdynasty. Don’t try n school me on football till u get your 6th ring. That’s a dynasty. And one that’s spanned the likes of 4 decades.

  213. Ted Wells is not only full of it, he looks like a porn star from the 70’s.

    Now that comment is worthy of a twelve year old, but it came from someone who hosted he would walk out on an audience with the president and boasted about giving up his season tickets in protest. Talk about being full of it…..what a wind bag. Quite a sad collection of misfits those Cheatos fans I would surmise.

  214. rt comment
    pensbucsteelers says:
    Jun 13, 2015 12:19 PM
    There was never a charge brought down against Big Ben, but all of you stiller hate pukes wanted his head.
    —————————————————

    Amen, bro. Amen!

    Yes, even when the facts said that the accusations couldn’t possibly be true, even when the forensics supported Roethlisberger’s side, even when there WAS no charge ever made in the first place, Pats fans just charged ahead with the “guilty!” verdict anyway.

    And now they’ve got their panties in a bunch because people are making the “unsupported judgments” against their sacred Tommy boy. Oh that is rich!

    In the words of Bob Dylan, “how does it feel? Yeah how does it feel?”

  215. #kensilgate #harbaughgate #grigsongate

    “We had ’em red-handed until science ruined everything! Damned pesky science.”

    Anyone who has ever worked in a scientific realm knew from the beginning that this whole mess was a sham; multiple gauges used, none of which had any history of calibration, no written record of pressure measurements, no Standard Operating Procedure for handling game balls, an NFL VP of operations condemning the ball boys immediately when said VP had NO understanding of the relationship between pressure, temperature and volume.

    The NFL should be completely ashamed of itself for this keystone cops episode.

    And the owners had better jettison the Jetscrement in the League Office, because much more of this sort of crap and I think people could drift away from the sport we once loved.

    If I want this nonsense, I’ll watch the WWE.

  216. Because they were kept in a plastic bag it makes all the deference really?
    Then why are the measurements not indicating it? They are not steadily getting higher. The pathetics ball 10/11 was lowest. And the last Colt ball was lowest.

  217. There was no charge against Roethlisberger because his army of lawyers intimidated the girl into not testifying. Even if she had testified, she was drunk and would not have been a credible witness. That’s the reason he wasn’t charged. BB had these sorts of problems with women before, numerous times. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck… His body guards stood guard in the hall while he was in the woman’s room with her. Wake up. OJ got off too. Think he was innocent? I guess not, he didn’t play for the steelers.

  218. sbs0311 wrote: “The lack of cooperation by … the Patriots refusing to allow another interview of the employees after Wells had gathered more information he wanted to question regarding cannot be dismissed here.”
    ========================================
    It’s grossly misleading to claim that Wells’ request came after he had gathered more information. The texts that Wells wanted to question McNally about were in his possession *before* his interview with McNally. Given the leisurely manner in which this investigation was conducted, there really is no excuse for Wells’ and his team of investigators not to have reviewed all of the material made available to them prior to their interviews with Patriots personnel.

  219. “Aren’t we pass whether doctoring of the balls happened? ”

    Since so many people insist that it happened, and they lack any evidence supporting this point, it appears that we a not past that point.

    If the air pressures do not support the claim that the Pats’ balls were unnaturally low in pressure, there is no case whatsoever. You cannot give a person a speeding ticket because he says his nickname is “Speedy”.

    Sorry to all of you who bought into the NFL’s lies. But really, you should know better than to hang your hat on whatever comes out of the commissioner’s office. These are the same guys who lied repeatedly in the Ray Rice case.

  220. “This is what needs to happen. And not just to your beloved patriots. 😝But to all rule breakers. In all sports. Nobody is above the rules.”

    Randomly punishing people without evidence of wrongdoing isn’t called “enforcing the rules”.

  221. ‘Just the simple fact that the Wells Report left out crucial data should be enough to show that it was flawed from the start. He took 103 days and the report is 243 pages long, but he uses those 243 pages to consistently twist the facts to adhere to his version of events. ”

    It’s telling that the Wells report is 243 pages long while the AEI report is 16 pages. It doesn’t take 243 pages to present a cogent case establishing guilt. But it does take that long to create an illusion via half-truths, smears, insinuations, and irrelevancies.

    How is it possible that the Wells report doesn’t even address the possibility that the Colts’ footballs were gauged after they had warmed up considerably? They weren’t allowed to consider any possibility that would excuse the Patriots.

    What I don’t fathom is why the league decided right at the start that the Pats must be guilty. Within three days they were lying to the press, which means that by then they knew that the evidence wasn’t strong enough.

  222. I am not sure what most people on here do for a living, me, I am an owner of a small twenty person company. Over the years we have had to let people go, for one reason or another. When it happens, the mgmt and board spend time on it. We consider the impact on our customers and other employees, we consider legal ramifications and public relations ones.

    No way in hell we fire these two guys in the middle of this mess (or indefinite suspension). They cost almost nothing. Talk to them. Keep a close eye on them, yes. Fire them after the dust settles if it is warranted. Think of the craziness of Robert Kraft having to defend the company publicly for this, why, to save the money on their salary for six months.

    No chance in “heck”.

    This was an emotional, spur of the moment decision.

  223. There is no way the Pats were ever going to allow JM to talk to the Wells again and we’re going to use any excuse or excuses to prevent this. They knee they were failing to fully cooperate and decided the punishment for this is a lot better than JM being interviewed again. Don’t forget he was already cited for a prior incident. He told different accounts of the night’s events. And he used a urinal that wasn’t there.

  224. zeke2517 says:
    Jun 13, 2015 1:48 PM
    The AEI also paid scientists to say that climate change isn’t real.

    The Patriots are cheaters.

    The Patriots didn’t pay the AEI.

    BTW, this is what’s known as an ‘ad hominem’ argument. You need to avoid the content of the report, so you’re going to reject it solely based on the identity of the authors.

    I guess that’s one way to avoid having to rethink your assumptions.

  225. Strike three for Wells, and by connection, Goodell. 50 mil for three garbage investigations. You can bet that the owners are calling each other right now about the best way to save face for Goodell and the league if possible. Roger is suddenly going to have an overwhelming desire to ‘spend more time with my family’.

  226. It seems as if the longer time goes by, the more pesky crazy Pats fans become. Like Brady is innocent now. He got caught and he deserves to be suspended by the league for stonewalling the investigation by refusing to allow his phone to be examined for information related to deflategate. He knew about the balls being deflated and he lied about it.

  227. There was no charge against Roethlisberger because his army of lawyers intimidated the girl into not testifying. Even if she had testified, she was drunk and would not have been a credible witness. That’s the reason he wasn’t charged. BB had these sorts of problems with women before, numerous times. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck… His body guards stood guard in the hall while he was in the woman’s room with her. Wake up. OJ got off too. Think he was innocent? I guess not, he didn’t play for the steelers.

    Ah Boasting TedMurph would you mind sharing your sources of the “numerous times”……… Crickets. Just another of your loud mouth boasts. Funny if it cheats like a Patriot, lies like a Patriot…… Wake up its your legacy of airbags, wing nuts ,liars and cheats. Trying to bring Ben down to cheating Tom Shady is a stretch …..even for a confirmed Wingnut.

  228. This is the perfect opportunity for the commissioner to, deservedly, throw Ted Wells under the bus. Admit that the league made the wrong decision in hiring the wrong person to investigate the matter and move on.
    While it may be difficult for a narcissistic, megalomaniac like Goddell to admit, it will forever put this idiotic story to rest.

  229. Wells was a hired gu…not an ivestigator. He put on his prosecutor pants as this was no trial. If it had been all of his “evidence” would have be shot to hell.

    It was a hatchet job so he could justify the 5 million the NFL spent.

  230. No tears Frank, just the facts ( AKA ampatsoccupiesmymindandthoughts)

    Steeler fans are terrified of facing Brady Week#1 even the vegas line shifted a TD.

    by the way it is time for your rent Frank as the Patriots will always own the Steelers as I own your thoughts as displayed by your screen name.

  231. “You can make an argument for every individual piece, but at some point, you need to acknowledge something happened.”

    The most inane thing on this page.

    Somebody doesn’t know how arguments work. If every individual piece of your argument has been shot down, then you have no argument left.

    What “happened” here is certain people thought they’d be in big trouble if they had to admit they’d made a mistake. So they kept digging deeper and deeper and deeper.

  232. It’s a shame that Tom SHADY will probably only 2 games, he should have at least got 6

  233. “268 comments … wow, Pats fans are so guilt ridden.”

    ——————————————–

    Correction … Pats loathers are inexplicably obsessed with them.

  234. floratiotime says:
    Jun 13, 2015 5:38 PM
    268 comments … wow, Pats fans are so guilt ridden.
    ==============================
    Actually no, that is quite the opposite of how Pats fans feel…. We are actually thrilled fans of the Super Bowl 49 Champions & ticked that Wells didn’t do the independent job he was hired to do but instead turned from information gatherer to judge to justify his outrageous salary & findings to the person who hired him….
    We as fans feel betrayed & shafted by the league & no matter how many ways it tries to bring us down the Patriots just keep ripping it up…
    To see all the trolls & haters that are so jealous posting on here more than all the other topics combined is PROOF that THEY know this to be true……

  235. “No way in hell we fire these two guys in the middle of this mess (or indefinite suspension). ”

    They were suspended because the NFL asked the Patriots to suspend them. The Pats aren’t allowed to use them again until Troy Vincent checks off on it.

    It is yet another one of the games that the NFL is playing – to pretend that the Patriots fired these guys of their own accord.

    About the only thing that the league office knows how to do these days is play games with the media.

  236. “It seems as if the longer time goes by, the more pesky crazy Pats fans become. ”

    —————————————-

    Pats fans are just fine. We only react to the absurdity spouted off by pesky bashers.

    Get it straight.

  237. So let me get this straight the NFL mishandled something? No kidding Rice AP McDonald to start with oh and in 06 HC Mangini was caught spying on the Pats he turned the Pats in one yr later for spying on his Jest If I wanted this nonsense I’d watch C Span and the British House of Commons That is straight up funny at times

  238. Ben Roethlisberger may have committed yet another alleged sex crime. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports that the Georgia Bureau of Investigation uncovered a claim that the Steelers quarterback “made unwanted advances” to a young woman in the same town where his second alleged sexual assault took place in March.

    According to GBI documents, Roethlisberger was hosting a party at his house when he is said to have pulled down his pants. At this point, he allegedly told a woman that she could “do whatever” she wants. One week later, Roethlisberger is claimed to have “forced his hand up the young woman’s skirt,” the AJC writes.
    —————————————————–
    RENO – The civil lawsuit filed by a former Harrah’s Lake Tahoe casino host claiming Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger raped her while he was visiting Lake Tahoe for a celebrity golf tournament in 2008 has been resolved.
    McNulty filed the suit in Washoe District Court in 2009, claiming Roethlisberger lured her into his penthouse suite and forced her to have sex. The suit also named a list of Harrah’s employees, claiming they covered up the alleged sexual assault.
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    There were allegations involving ‘Big Ben’ in college as well. Lemme know if you have anymore questions slappy.

  239. Six, he will serve all four. He has no defense on his own words. He will never hand over any communications on this subject. There is no way out for him.

  240. ragujar says:
    Jun 13, 2015 10:07 AM

    Dewey: What about the Colts complaining about their footballs from their last game in a DOME?

    What about Tom Brady petitioning to control his footballs for road games??

    What about Tom Brady refusing to submit his phone?

    You can make an argument for every individual piece, but at some point, you need to acknowledge something happened.
    __________________________________

    The home team provides the locker room attendant and ball boys for both sidelines. SO if balls were deflated in the dome then the Colts staff had something to do with it.

    The reason for wanted to control footballs was because the league was using new footballs with ashen on them. Brady AND Manning petitioned to allow players to work the balls up for the week leading to the game. Refs were still responsible for checking them. But as we learned from the texts and the 16 psi balls in the Jets game the refs are far from consistent.

    Given the irrelevant information released from incognito’s phone in that investigation and then the texts between the equip asst and his mother that was not related to deflate gate would you have let the NFL near your phone?

    Wells even stated in his report that he could not confirm if tampering even occurred.

    If it is more likely than not that the deflation was due to atmospheric conditions then that ends your case in the absence of a smoking gun.

    Wells used a disreputable firm for the scientific analysis and disregarded the referees best recollection of which guage he used to make his case.

    The Wells report has been a smokescreen to distract people from the behavior of NFL executives in the aftermath of the AFCCG, which would have been far more damaging to the shield that all this has been.

  241. Ben Roethlisberger may have committed yet another alleged sex crime. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports that the Georgia Bureau of Investigation uncovered a claim that the Steelers quarterback “made unwanted advances” to a young woman in the same town where his second alleged sexual assault took place in March.

    According to GBI documents, Roethlisberger was hosting a party at his house when he is said to have pulled down his pants. At this point, he allegedly told a woman that she could “do whatever” she wants. One week later, Roethlisberger is claimed to have “forced his hand up the young woman’s skirt,” the AJC writes.
    —————————————————–
    RENO – The civil lawsuit filed by a former Harrah’s Lake Tahoe casino host claiming Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger raped her while he was visiting Lake Tahoe for a celebrity golf tournament in 2008 has been resolved.
    McNulty filed the suit in Washoe District Court in 2009, claiming Roethlisberger lured her into his penthouse suite and forced her to have sex. The suit also named a list of Harrah’s employees, claiming they covered up the alleged sexual assault.
    ———————————————————
    There were allegations involving ‘Big Ben’ in college as well. Lemme know if you have anymore questions slappy.

    Great use of the words alleged and may…….you do know what they mean? Come on Teddy Tough Guy claiming and not proving is what you and the Pats brats are complaining about the Wells report. A little pot and kettle for the big airbag….eh Teddy . Allegations are something you Pats fans are comfortable with except you have been penalized for doing something wrong….not so Ben little Timmy….oh by the way Lassie is at the front door and needs a walk.

  242. Repeat cheating and repeated attempts to get around the punishment. The Patriots are the smoke and mirrors team of the NFL that consistently shows no respect for league rules.

  243. This was ridiculous. A sting operation run with the skill of 3rd graders. Incredibly embarrassing but the NFL couldn’t do worse. Well, then the “Wells report” comes out. Four months of work, $5 million in charges from Wells, and an bunk scripted “Report.” A sting operation that the “Wells report” shows to a complete farce. Goodell actually doing a great job of fogging the issues that were front burner; concussions, the pathetic handling of the Ray Rice KO, the spousal abuses, PED use and a lot more. Tying up the media with a controversy over the PSI of footballs has been great for him. Mike Kensil is getting his revenge on Bill Belichick even though he actually looks like an idiot. By not getting fired, hiding behind Goodell, and standing behind a pathetically inept legal investigation, Mike Kensil has really come out shining. Riding the backs of Hatriot nation has been easy.

    It’s actually great comedy and watching fans of the other 31 teams-united as Hateriot nation-weeping as if they lost children, is pure gold. Making the Superbowl and NFL Championship even sweeter. Jets fans, who haven’t seen their team in the Superbowl since before man landed on the moon, become even more pathetic than normal. “Deflategate” is something for Jets fans and many others to hang onto. Beautiful.

  244. Have the Patriots actually hired a company to challenge the Wells Report? Or did their website expert just questioned the Wells Report expert findings?

  245. Harbaugh admitted calling the Colts about this on national TV.What more proof of a feeble sting operation do you need?

    Harbaugh stood there post-game insinuating the Patriots were cheating with their formations and the refs were too stupid to understand what was going on. Then he flipped out because Brady countered with his look it up in the rule book comment.

    Harbaugh reeks of egomania when he isn’t reeking of being a crybaby.

  246. As a football fan I’m kind of looking forward to seeing what Garoppolo can do but on the other hand it seems clear that there’s no evidence that Brady cheated at all, ever. Justice would be an overturning of the suspension but I can’t see Roger doing that, especially after Robert Kraft caved in on the entire issue. More likely there will be a reduction in the suspension and we’ll still see Jimmy G for a game or two.

    #fireGoodell

  247. I know at this point no one’s going to read this comment, but- the Wells report itself explains why it’s unreliable. In the beginning it talks about the testing environment for the psi and basically says the environment, temperature, the gauge accuracy, the time limitations, all of these things prevented truly reliable testing. However, Goodell needed the conclusion to be tampering so Ted Wells chose tampering.

  248. This is the story.

    All the stuff about out of context text messages and Brady not handing in phones, the point should’ve always been the footballs.

    Glad to finally see an independent group step forward and basically call the NFL a bunch of idiots.

    It’s why jocks cheated off smart kids in science class in school.

    This also proves that Wells was not asked to find out the truth. Wells was asked to find the Pats guilty.

    And he couldn’t even do that.

    If Goodell doesn’t do the right thing, the NFLPA has all the ammo they now need to get Brady’s suspension thrown out.

    Do the right thing, Roger. Vacate Brady’s suspension. Slap him with a $50K not giving up your phone penalty & let this issue be done.

  249. remembertheagenda says:
    Jun 13, 2015 9:40 AM
    So just ignore the guy that took the balls into the bathroom AFTER the balls were checked..

    And the fact that the team fired the guys whose texts pretty much confirm the deliberate cheating.

    And the fact that NONE of the Colts balls (even the ones they did measure) dropped significantly in PSI.

    #Guilty

    —–

    At least read the report the article is focused on before commenting.

    Also the texts were taken way out of context. Look for an article that compares the exact time of the texts and what was going on at that time. Logically they weren’t about deflating footballs after reading that.

  250. ampats says:
    Jun 13, 2015 5:36 PM
    No tears Frank, just the facts ( AKA ampatsoccupiesmymindandthoughts)

    Steeler fans are terrified of facing Brady Week#1 even the vegas line shifted a TD.
    —————————————-

    How many times have I posted how much I pray that Tommy Boy plays opening night? If nothing more than to avoid a repeat of the butthurt whining that came out of New England after the great Steeler beatdown of ’08.

    But once again the master of mistruth plays the hypocrite and invents his own narrative.

    I do applaud you for your brave front about the crying of “injustice though. Hold back those tears, be a brave boy!

  251. Show me one other team to cut their long term fumble rate in half in one off season with the same coach and QB.

    Colts had best fumble ratio from 2002-2010, Manning’s glory years. All the fumble numbers prove is that a pass first team with a HOF QB will have great fumble statistics.

  252. It was clear from the beginning that science was never going to convict or clear anybody. It only implicates. Those texts are very damaging. The explanations given for those texts destroyed the credibility of JJ and JM. Not that JM had much to begin with. Those texts also prove means, motive and opportunity to do this. Brady denied all.

  253. Seems the saints and the patriots are in the same class then.
    That sounds about right.

  254. AEI is hardly independent. Actually neither is Wells.
    Their conclusions are just based on the use of different equipment. Next we will hear about how they didn’t present documentation that shows they calibrate the gauges.
    AEI is biased towards the uber wealthy on the Conservative side of the aisle.

    Wells is biased towards Goodell and looked for any little tidbit he could find. Those texts from the former employees sure looks damning and now they have been terminated.

    The zealots will point to their teams as do nothing wrong because they are fans.

    It reeks of the NFL being tired of the Patriots. I’m certainly tired of them, as are fans of the 31 other franchises. As much as I despise the Patriot franchise it sure appears to be one big witch hunt.
    Marsha gets two games at most.

  255. dlonce says:
    Jun 13, 2015 8:10 PM

    AEI is biased towards the uber wealthy on the Conservative side of the aisle.

    ____________________________________

    Thanks for that information. I’m glad we’re hearing from an organization on the right side of things for a change.
    Usually it’s the whiny liberals who get all the publicity and air time.

  256. “More probable than not.” I still don’t get how you can fine a team $1 million, 2 draft picks, and a 4-game suspension for the starting QB based on that (50.1% sure vs 49.9% not sure). Either have 100% proof and punish or don’t. There shouldn’t be any doubt.

  257. tedmurph says:
    Jun 13, 2015 6:11 PM
    Roethlisberger is claimed to have “forced his hand up the young woman’s skirt,” the AJC writes.
    —————————————————–
    RENO – The civil lawsuit filed by a former Harrah’s Lake Tahoe casino host claiming Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger raped her while he was visiting Lake Tahoe for a celebrity golf tournament in 2008 has been resolved.
    McNulty filed the suit in Washoe District Court in 2009, claiming Roethlisberger lured her into his penthouse suite and forced her to have sex.
    ——
    There were allegations involving ‘Big Ben’ in college as well. Lemme know if you have anymore questions slappy.
    ————————————-

    Why yes “slappy” I do have a couple for you.

    1. Why didn’t you bother to mention this part of the legal proceedings:

    “The Nevada woman who in a civil lawsuit accused Ben Roethlisberger of sexually assaulting her last year boasted to a co-worker at that time of having consensual sex with the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback and said she hoped he had impregnated her, according to a sworn affidavit filed in court in Washoe County, Nev., late Friday.

    Shortly after telling former co-worker Angela Antonetti about the tryst during a celebrity golf tournament at Harrah’s Lake Tahoe, where both worked as casino hosts, the 31-year-old woman “expressed to me she was hoping for a ‘little Roethlisberger,'” Ms. Antonetti said in her affidavit.”

    2. Why didn’t you bother to mention the fact the the accuser sent out e-mails AFTER she filed suit talking about the nice dinner she had with Ben AFTER the alleged assault occurred? Or that her co-worker scolded the accuser for involving her in a “baseless lawsuit”?

    All you got tedmurph is “quacks like a duck” and “allegations” and hearsay. Not one bit of proof. You are the same “underinformed hater” you whine that others are being of with Brady.

    Oh by the way dude — settling a civil suit is not the same as admitting guilt. That’s why — duh — it’s done so much for the benefit of the (usually wealthy) accused. If someone really thinks they have a case they can prove, they file criminal charges.

    You are a slanderer tedmurph. And yet another Patriots fan hypocrite, never hesitating to assume, conjecture and accuse without proof — but whining about others doing it.

  258. If Goodell does not rescind the entire suspension, Brady will win in court. If there is a defamation suit against the NFL, Brady can settle if the NFL henchmen like Gardi, Kensil and others are fired. And he gets 125 million instead of 250 million.

  259. Superbowl, Brady will never testify under oath. Neither will JM or JJ. They have already given conflicting testimony.

  260. Here’s where fans jealous of the success of the Patriots insist that THEY are smarter than the independent firm hired with the approval of Paul Tagliabue and he NFL:

    “When correct tests are performed, the evidence points to a conclusion that is inconsistent with the Wells findings.

    “The Wells report conclusions are likely incorrect, and a simple misunderstanding appears to have led the NFL to
    these incorrect conclusions.

  261. Yes they will when they know they have science on their side.

    Also imagine Kensil, Gardi et all having to testify under oath on why they gave out false information and never corrected it?

  262. The fact is the balls deflation can be explained by science( Ideal gas law) and the use of two different gauges. The balls were not grossly deflated to indicate there was wrongdoing.

    It is too close to impose the kind of punishment Brady and the Patriots got. For all Brady has done for the NFL, he should have received the benefit of the doubt.

    But the NFL henchmen who some have ties to the Jets as well as a bunch of owners needed to take down the patriots because they win too much.

  263. Brady’s father appears to be right based on the evidence; this was Framegate from day one.

    What does it say about labor relations in the NFL and the other 31 owners that they would frame the best player in the history of the game?

    Men of extreme wealth with egos to match are sick of losing to Brady and Belichick and were willing to frame Brady to keep the Patriots from winning.

  264. None of this matters if the suspension is due to “Brady did not fully cooperate with the investigation”. I don’t think Brady was suspended for having anything to do with the balls. The suspension was based on lack of cooperation with the investigation.
    So why or who cares about the facts of the deflated footballs.

  265. i love the morons in our society. its how guys like obama get elected.

    “hammer all the science that you want, the ‘deflator is the story’

    unreal.

    dummy – science beats your “social jargin”

    my god, having to explain something like this to a human being is truly “deflating’!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    fire goodell! PLEASE

  266. “Anderson remembers that he used the Logo gauge before the game, but the Wells report, in a direct contradiction of that recollection, concludes that he used the NonLogo
    gauge before the game.

    “Wells, in a news conference after the report was released, has stated that his report’s results continue to hold and that “it doesn’t matter because regardless of which gauges were used the scientific consultants addressed all of the permutations in their analysis”

    “This statement is factually incorrect.”

  267. All the Patriots haters who, like Goodell and Wells, want to have the NFL competition committee re-write the Laws of Physics in order to slander the Patriots really need to read the following article:

    “Eli Manning’s Footballs Months in the Making” – NY Times, 11/23/13 describes the many roles of the Giant’s two full time “deflators” – noting that their role requires them to keep the game balls with them AT ALL TIMES

    If the Patriots “deflator” (his job, like the Giants deflators – involved deflating and inflating footballs as part of the break in process) keeping footballs with him at all times is proof of guilt than the Giants and likely all 30 other NFL teams need to be fined a 1st round draft pick too, as there are equipment managers throughout the NFL doing what the Patriots and Giants personnel are

  268. AEI is too late – sure the scientific evidence and “best recollection” of the official shows that there was NO DEFLATION

    But unfortunately the NFL Competition Committee has already re-written the Laws of Physics to ensure they can find the Patriots guilty

  269. tedmurph says:
    Jun 13, 2015 6:11 PM
    Roethlisberger is claimed to have “forced his hand up the young woman’s skirt,” the AJC writes.

    There were allegations involving ‘Big Ben’ in college as well. Lemme know if you have anymore questions slappy.
    ————————————————

    Congrats on falling into my trap, tedmurph, and stepping forward to illustrate my point perfectly.

    As you can see, tinfoil-hat ted has used such phrases as “is claimed to have” and “allegations involving” as proof that Ben was actually guilty of something (And even high-fived himself afterwards calling me some cutesy-sounding name as if he’d actually achieved something. Nice job there, uh, “slappy.”)

    Oh they proved something all right. They proved that when it comes to making unsupported claims and false accusations based on hearsay, Patriots fans are among the worst offenders.

    In other words, they’ve proved what I’ve been saying for weeks now.

    Thanks for proving my point, ted.

    Now all you hypocrites have a good night.

  270. “The AEI also paid scientists to say that climate change isn’t real.”

    Well this should be the only time this group supports A warming effect that deals in science.

    The pathetics don’t hitch their wagons to any savory characters that I have seen so far.

  271. scyankee9999 says:
    Jun 13, 2015 9:26 PM
    None of this matters if the suspension is due to “Brady did not fully cooperate with the investigation”. I don’t think Brady was suspended for having anything to do with the balls. The suspension was based on lack of cooperation with the investigation.
    So why or who cares about the facts of the deflated footballs.
    **************************
    So if you are innocent, you can be punished based on Goodell’s definition of “FULL” cooperation ?

    Normally a penalty on non-cooperation occurs when evidence shows guilt

  272. hivelocityimpactsplatter says:
    Jun 13, 2015 12:53 PM
    Read up on AEI, they are noted climate-change deniers and received over $1B from ExxonMobil. Their board includes CEOs of huge drug companies like Merck and Amgen.

    Clearly friends of Robert Kraft doing him a solid.
    ***************************
    Let’s assume you are correct – So What?

    Here’s the difference – no one has accused the AEI of making poor assumptions, changing history, selective use of available facts, and data manipulation. Wells has been exposed on all these issues and Roger & Troy were too dumb to see it initially. BIG DIFFERENCE

  273. Its like all the patriots homers from cold hard football fantasies have emptied out of there to join here.

  274. None of this matters if the suspension is due to “Brady did not fully cooperate with the investigation”. I don’t think Brady was suspended for having anything to do with the balls. The suspension was based on lack of cooperation with the investigation,

    In 2010 the NFL investigated Brett Favre for possible sexual harassment of a team employee. He refused to cooperate by turning over his phone. The NFL hit him with a $50,000 fine. In 2012 the Chargers were accused of using towels covered in Stickum. When asked to turn over their phones, the Chargers’ sideline employees refused. The Chargers were fined $20,000 for failure to cooperate. Stephen Gostkowski refused to turn over his phone to the Wells’ investigators. He was not fined at all.

    Keep in mind that the NFL already has every message between Brady and the NE ball attendants, since copies of these messages are found on the phones of both the sender and the recipient. The NFL doesn’t need Brady’s phone. Yet, somehow, his penalty for not cooperating is a four game suspension that would cost him nearly $2,000,000 in salary?

    Does the penalty fit the crime (yes, that is a rhetorical question)?

  275. FoozieGrooler says:
    Jun 13, 2015 10:09 AM
    Nothing on this earth will ever change the Pats reputation.
    And rightfully so, they earned every bit of it.

    You hit the nail on the head.

    The New England Patriots, circa 2001-????, are without question the greatest NFL team/organization of all-time.
    And they have earned that reputation with class, humility, resiliency, victories (duh!) and the greatest NFL fan base the league has ever seen.

  276. fanofpft says:
    Jun 13, 2015 10:54 PM

    “The AEI also paid scientists to say that climate change isn’t real.”

    __________

    Oh here we go. Climate change is real. In winter it’s cold summer hot spring and fall somewhere in between, At first of course it was “global warming” but since there is no evidence they started calling it “climate change”. If you want the links to the truth i’ll send them to you. The evidence in the warming case points to one simple fact. They lied.

    Just like Wells. No evidence that the balls were tampered with so he made it up to prove something that wasn’t provable.

  277. Let’s not overthink this….if the science concludes it’s more probable than not that the Pats did NOT deflate footballs prior to the AFC title game then nothing else matters. The texts don’t matter. The League, the Colts and probably the Ravens tried to sting the Pats then tried to make the evidence fit their narrative. I think they failed. Did the Pats ever take the top off the ball because certain referees’ ignore personal preference and pump them to 13? Probably….but the whole case is about the AFC title game and the league doesn’t have the goods.

  278. Wells Report:
    A 100 day/$5 million investigation comes back with a 243 page report that returns no proof of anything, and states in their “opinion” that Tom Brady was “generally aware” of an incident that may or may not have happened.

    AEI Report:
    In 16 pages, they completely refute the science and methods used in the Wells Report, and based only on the details that Wells included in HIS OWN REPORT, conclude that it is “unlikely that the Patriots deflated the footballs”.

    So this entire punishment is based on one man’s “opinion” without facts to support it.

    And he had a choice when stating this opinion – if he found no wrongdoing, then his client, the NFL, would have to deal with the wrath of 31 very angry teams, owners, and fans…not to mention the national media. He simply took the path of least resistance to appease the masses and his client, which is wrong on so many levels.

  279. Looks like some of the “mainstream” news outlets are picking up on the AEI report. MSN has a big article on it, and the gist of it is that it’s looking more likely that Brady plays week one.
    The tide is turning in Brady’s favor.

  280. I think it’s clear at this point. Pats fans have destroyed the haters here in regartds to #deflategate.

    BTW…THE LOMBARDI’S ARE SAFE

    BRADY IS THE BEST OF ALL TIME

    BELLICHICK IS THE BEST OF ALL TIME

    and

    THE PATRIOTS ARE THE GREATEST FRANCHISE IN NFL HISTORY

  281. The whole issue is whether NE tampered with the balls AFTER the referees inspection and approval. While there was certainly some pregame preparation of the footballs, nothing in the texts, phone calls, answers to press conference questions, etc. seems to indicate anything specifically happened post-inspection. And so we’re left looking at the science which indicates that nothing nefarious happened.

  282. No coverage of the AEI Report on NFL website.

    No coverage of the AEI Report on ESPN.

    No coverage of the AEI Report on USA TODAY.

    No coverage of AEI Report on National Prime Time News.

    So, Yes there is your evidence for a conspiracy to prevent Brady & the Patriots from getting back to the SuperBowl.

    It is directly connected to 2016 Prez Election Year & Hilary.

    Same connection as it was in 2008 & 2012 with the Patriots. In those SBs the Powers that B was working through the Giants to Defeat the Patriots.

    The symbolic meaning of those two teams in the SB are very CLEAR.

    Can you see it? Do you understand now what this Battle/War is all about.

    You have a choice America – Submit to Authoritarian Rule that eats away at your Freedoms until your are completely OWNED.
    Or
    WAKE UP – RISE UP and FIGHT.

    NYC = Giants Goodell OH-Blamaniac Hilary United Nations Control

    Boston = Birthplace of Our Revolution ‘Sons of Liberty’ , PATRIOTS , Rebellion against Tyranny FREEDOM

  283. SurfBandits says:
    Jun 14, 2015 11:26 AM
    @ampatsisahypocrite:

    You do know that Brady was not on the field for that game, Matt Cassell was the QB.
    ———————————————

    Oh gosh how could I not? The whining from Patriots fans about his absence has gone on non-stop since that day.

    You must not be very familiar with my posts. I’ve commented many times on this game. It was simply a matter of poor Cassell absorbing the beating that Brady would’ve had coming. Pats fans of course claim the outcome is different if Brady plays, which is hogwash for two reasons:

    1. The Steelers defense beat up the entire Patriots team that day, especial the Patriots o-line. Brady would’ve been pummeled, and we’ve seen what happens to Brady when he doesn’t have time for a cup of coffee back there (see: both Super Bowls vs. the Giants)

    2. Despite Pats fans’ belief, Brady’s presence vs. the Steelers doesn’t guarantee victory. In fact two of Tom’s worst games have been against the Steelers, where he’s been dominated and the Pats lost badly. (I know, I was present for one of them.)

    That day the Steelers were simply physically overwhelming, with a defense at its peak on the way to a championship. New England was simply roadkill on the road to a championship that year. With or without Tom Brady.

  284. limakey,
    You state that TB wasn’t candid with investigators and that this was a violation. The problem with that statement and conclusion is that it assumes that Wells’ preconceived conclusions were correct. In that scenario and in the smallness of Wells’ mind, anything Brady said in opposition, would be considered not being candid. Well it has already been shown repeatedly and I am certain will be proven in court, the only thing the Wells report proves is his gross incompetence as it relates to scientific matters. So if the foundation upon which your case is built falls apart, so does your case and any conclusions drawn from it.
    I’m sure that Wells is feeling the embareasent associated with the ridicule directed at him from his peers. But that is nothing compared to the indignities and injustice he has heaped upon Brady. Wells was deceitful in his preparation and publication of his report. I am confident he will pay the price for that deceipt.

  285. Rehashing your glory days as a Steelers fan when you beat a Patriots team missing the best player in NFL history. That’s one of the sadder things I’ve seen on here. Brady is 5-2 with an 18-3 TD-INT ratio career vs. Pittsburgh. You don’t look smart saying his absence doesn’t matter.

  286. The AEI changes nothing. It has always been about the cover up. It doesn’t change the actions of JM that night. Nor does it address the texts or TB’s denials and their lack of candor. Nor the belief that this only happened for 1 game.

  287. limakey,
    You state that TB wasn’t candid with investigators and that this was a violation. The problem with that statement and conclusion is that it assumes that Wells’ preconceived conclusions were correct. In that scenario and in the smallness of Wells’ mind, anything Brady said in opposition, would be considered not being candid. Well it has already been shown repeatedly and I am certain will be proven in court, the only thing the Wells report proves is his gross incompetence as it relates to scientific matters. So if the foundation upon which your case is built falls apart, so does your case and any conclusions drawn from it.
    I’m sure that Wells is feeling the embareasent associated with the ridicule directed at him from his peers. But that is nothing compared to the indignities and injustice he has heaped upon Brady. Wells was deceitful in his preparation and publication of his report. I am confident he will pay the price for that deceipt. A

  288. No coverage of the AEI Report on NFL website.

    No coverage of the AEI Report on ESPN.

    No coverage of the AEI Report on USA TODAY.

    No coverage of AEI Report on National Prime Time News.

    So, Yes there is your evidence for a conspiracy to prevent Brady & the Patriots from getting back to the SuperBowl.

    It is directly connected to 2016 Prez Election Year & Hilary.

    Same connection as it was in 2008 & 2012 with the Patriots. In those SBs the Powers that B was working through the Giants to Defeat the Patriots.

    The symbolic meaning of those two teams in the SB are very CLEAR.

    Can you see it? Do you understand now what this Battle/War is all about.

    You have a choice America – Submit to Authoritarian Rule that eats away at your Freedoms until your are completely OWNED.
    Or
    WAKE UP – RISE UP and FIGHT.

    NYC = Giants Goodell OH-Blamaniac Hilary United Nations Control

    Boston = Birthplace of Our Revolution ‘Sons of Liberty’ , PATRIOTS , Rebellion against Tyranny FREEDOM

    ————————–
    I am embarrassed as a Patriots fan. Thank you solo for making all Patriots fans look like crazy Loons. Can you stick to the real facts in your arguments? Seriously. I am pretty sure I speak for other Patriots fans as well. We got this! The facts speak for themselves. Brady didn’t do it. Breathe.

  289. Well, I guess it’s nice to hang your hat on a game during the regular season.

    And you are right…2008 with Brady was no guarantee…but–that Pats team with Brady could have broken all sorts of records– again. The O was potentially better than 07. Sadly it didn’t go that way.
    So enjoy it. I guess. I for one would have enjoyed a Pats/Steelers AFC game. I’ve seen a couple now and well, I notice you don’t talk about those.

  290. I have no idea why I am reading a post about a Pats/Steelers regular season game from 7 years ago. But I am really looking forward to the next one….

  291. The AEI changes nothing. It has always been about the cover up. It doesn’t change the actions of JM that night. Nor does it address the texts or TB’s denials and their lack of candor. Nor the belief that this only happened for 1 game.

    ——————–
    You’re right! It changes nothing.

    Anybody with a free-thinking mind would have already known that the Well’s report was junk. Based on assumptions. Just like your assumptions that JM had any action other than going to pee. Or your assumption that this had been going on for a long time. Because, since you seem to believe in assumptions and the Well’s report, if it had been going on for awhile, how is it that balls got over-inflated at a home game in October while McNally was working. IF he had been doing this , as you assume, then the ball boys would have deflated those over-inflated balls, right??

    Your arguments are getting weak. You just keep repeating yourselves over and over without anything to back up your mouth.

  292. The Patriots bashers absolutely DO NOT want the truth.

    They would rather believe a completely flimsy report that was obviously created with a pre determined outcome.

    An outcome to protect the news media/NFL broadcast partners that created and hyped up this whole non scandal, to help save face. An outcome to make Goodell not look like he does Bob Kraft special favors. An outcome that satisfies the countless people who hate the Patriots and will assume foul play if they are exonerated.

    And they would rather ignore a truly unbiased report from a non profit that exists specifically for the purpose of executing fair investigations with no direct benefit to them.

    Bashers could have flat out, indisputable proof (as we do with the science) and they will ignore it. They will stick to the whole deflator nickname and draw the conclusion that the nickname means that this guy illegally deflates footballs after they are tested.

    We live in a society of mental midgets.

    Get ready for the entire punishment to be overturned.

  293. Anyone (who isn’t a football fan jealous of the Patriots) already knew that the Wells Report was a joke.

    The evidence relayed in the Wells Report actually exonerates Brady. Wells simply openly stated he assumed the OPPOSITE of the evidence uncovered – as the lead official himself states his “best recollection” is that no unusual deflation occurred.

    AEI states clearly that the Laws of Physics cannot be argued with and that the Wells Report is wrong.

    All those (including Wells) pointing to the “deflator” texts as being incriminating also conveniently ignore the context provided by the 11/23/13 NY Times article “Eli Manning’s Footballs Months in the Making” detailing the role of the Giants “deflators”

    A similar expose on the activities of the “deflators” and football preparers on EVERY NFL team should be conducted by PFT or some other independent source as it would be eye-opening for the hater fans to learn that their teams also employ “deflators” and that doesn’t mean that cheating is occuring.

  294. monique102274 says:
    Jun 14, 2015 1:08 PM

    Anybody with a free-thinking mind would have already known that the Well’s report was junk. Based on assumptions. Just like your assumptions that JM had any action other than going to pee. Or your assumption that this had been going on for a long time. Because, since you seem to believe in assumptions and the Well’s report, if it had been going on for awhile, how is it that balls got over-inflated at a home game in October while McNally was working. IF he had been doing this , as you assume, then the ball boys would have deflated those over-inflated balls, right?
    ========================

    Absolutely, and when one assumes…….

  295. limakey says:
    Jun 14, 2015 12:54 PM
    It has always been about the cover up.
    ————–
    This only came to be “about a cover-up” when the NFL botched their sting and came up empty with the facts. The cover-up is the NFL trying it’s best to save face in the eyes of the lemmings like you.

  296. The final line of the AEI analysis of the Wells report: “It is therefore unlikely that the Patriots deflated the footballs.”

    If I’m an NFL owner and read that, I’m asking myself how my league could spend $5 million for such a joke of an “investigation”

    Expect Wells to hold another press conference soon to defend HIS integrity after attempting to slander Brady and the Patriots

    The bottom line: Once science and the “best recollection” of the officials showed that NO DEFLATION OCCURRED there was no need for Brady or anyone else to provide any other info about a crime that never took place

    And there was NEVER a reason why Wells needed to pocket an additional $5 million, which one way or another, we as fans are forced to pay.

  297. joesixpack wrote:

    “The final line of the AEI analysis of the Wells report: “It is therefore unlikely that the Patriots deflated the footballs.”

    “The bottom line: Once science and the “best recollection” of the officials showed that NO DEFLATION OCCURRED there was no need for Brady or anyone else to provide any other info about a crime that never took place”

    —————————————-

    Amen brother!

    Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

    These people should be ashamed to the core. Not only for being spiteful of their rival’s success, but for supporting of the manipulation of evidence to penalize that same INNOCENT rival.

    They are not true fans of the NFL. I don’t know what you’d call them. But they don’t belong here.

    Repeat after me: “A crime that never took place.”

  298. There are some assumptions made in the AEI report that indicate a serious flaw in their analysis.

    1. Length of time spent testing pressure.

    It is reasonable to assume the officials engage in activities OTHER THAN testing footballs during halftime (relieving themselves, etc.) It is a huge stretch to believe they spent the entire halftime testing, and thus, allowing adequate time for the Colts’ balls to warm.

    2. Heat transfer

    Both leather and rubber have very low thermal conductivity values. In fact, they’re considered good insulators. Furthermore, other factors not accounted for include method of transportation (i.e. equipment bag acting as an insulator) and condition of footballs (water on the surface of the leather will absorb at least some heat energy before it is passed through the 2 layers of insulating material).

    Their claim that the pressure difference between the 2 groups of balls is due solely to greater exposure to higher ambient temperature of 1 group over the other is dubious at best.

  299. Everyone wants to point to the texts as “proof” of a scam. Except for the fact those texts happened in May of last year. If that’s the case and the “scam” was in effect way back then, how were the ball last October be 16psi? and the responses from that game don’t sound like “how did our scam not work?” In fact the words were “The ref’s screwed us” which concludes that they weren’t trying to illegally deflate the balls after giving to the refs

  300. The Wells report is in large part based on the science and the testing by Exponent. I am not a scientist but I know that in science to prove something, you would need to describe the methods and the results must be able to be replicated.

    The AEI did not do any testing and in fact it relied on the data in the Wells report and tried to replicate it. Below is directly from the AEI report.

    Our findings are as follows.
    First, the Wells report
    contains sufficient data to explore the question of
    whether the Patriots deflated their footballs using
    statistical techniques.

    Second, the Wells report’s
    statistical analysis cannot be replicated by
    performing the analysis as described in the
    report.

    Third, the Wells report’s results can (for
    the most part) be replicated when we use a
    different, flawed modeling approach that
    fundamentally differs from the approach
    described in the report.

    Fourth, the Wells report
    failed to recognize the importance of the logical
    link between two of its areas of inquiry: whether
    the Patriots balls were deflated more than the
    Colts balls, and whether the Patriots balls were at
    a pressure that could be explained without
    recourse to wrongdoing by the Patriots.

    Please reread the 2nd and 3rd findings in particular. The AEI report goes into detail as to the errors (intentional?) made in the report and reading between the lines it appears that Exponent instead of testing to see if there was tampering was looking for a way to PROVE tampering.

    How can any fair minded and unbiased person feel comfortable with a conclusion from a science report that is clearly wrong and cannot be duplicated and uses a flawed modeling approach that fundamentally differs from the approach described in the report.

    It reminds me of a scientist many years ago that claimed to be able to achieve fusion at room temperatures. When the scientist’s peers studied the data and tried to replicate it, the fusion claim was PROVEN to be fraudulent.

    That is what AEI did to the Wells report, it proved it was fraudulent and PROVIDED scientific evidence that can explain what ACTUALLY HAPPENED to the footballs- nothing.

  301. Rootpain, TB denied he knew what happens after he selects the game balls. He also denied knowing who JM was and what his job was. JM said he did know who he was and JJ said TB knew who JM was and what his job was. In other words TB knew the person who was there when the ref’s inspected the balls, what actions ref took and who handled the balls after ref. So why did TB lie about this?

  302. limey: Why did Brady lie?

    planet earth: It’s been explained to you 700 times that everybody called him Bird and he had no idea who Jim McNally was or what he did.

    limey: But, why did Brady lie?

  303. Ted, I have been very clear, that both JM and JJ said Tom did know him but more importantly, TB knew what JM’s job was. I know why he lied, but I can’t wait to hear your response. But than again, no Pat fan has ever answered that question. Not one has had the courage to admit that TB is lying about a significant key issue.

  304. Rootpain, TB will sit all four games and this will not go to court. There is no way TB, JM or JJ testify under oath. And TB will have to turn over cell phone.

  305. I truly can’t believe what Goodell has done to the legacy and reputation of one of the greatest quarterbacks and ambassadors in the history of the game — all over an allegation of tampered air pressure in a football without any proof.

    Indeed the only “proof” is that NO DEFLATION OCCURRED AT ALL!

    Look for Brady to easily win a Defamation case against the NFL if he brings one and for Goodell to find himself in the role of “consultant” to the next Commissioner – who will do the OPPOSITE of whatever Goodell recommends.

  306. OK what grounds did everyone have accusing the Pats of cheating when things can be explained reasonably ? OK I give you the cell phone but seriously if your job wanted your phone would you give it up? Or would you call on legal counsel first?

  307. goingthextramile: The worst case scenario for the Jets is the league fines them for Woody Johnson speaking about Darrelle Revis while he was under contract with the Patriots. There will be no draft picks awarded to the Patriots or swapping of draft picks either. BOOK IT.

    goingthextramile: I’m telling you, the Patriots aren’t getting out of DEFLATE-GATE without serious penalties. You’ll see when the Ted Wells report comes out.

    tedmurph: @goingthextramile:
    Your wrong on both counts. I’ll remind you next week.

    Two months later….

    tedmurph: Trade Brady for PRivers and let Brady go to LA with the Chargers. I’ve had enough of this crap. Tag Rivers next yr, then go with Garoppalo.

    Another month later…

    tedmurph: Ted Wells is not only full of it, he looks like a porn star from the 70’s.

    Can’t wait for tedmurph’s next meltdown.

  308. solo681 says:
    Jun 14, 2015 12:25 PM

    So, Yes there is your evidence for a conspiracy to prevent Brady & the Patriots from getting back to the SuperBowl.

    It is directly connected to 2016 Prez Election Year & Hilary.

    Same connection as it was in 2008 & 2012 with the Patriots. In those SBs the Powers that B was working through the Giants to Defeat the Patriots.
    ———————————————

    Well if this one doesn’t take the conspiracy cake.

    You’re aware my friend that one of the most widespread conspiracy theories in existence is how things were fixed to allow the “Patriots” to win it all after 9/11? Even down to how the Tuck Rule was applied to allow the Patriots to escape defeat against the Raiders. In fact this is probably THE conspiracy theory. (If you don’t know this, you should really get out more.)

    The Patriots. The red white and blue. All of that for the good of the country. Signed and delivered by the NFL.

    So you are on some pretty shaky ground to be pointing the conspiracy theory finger back at someone else.

    But again, this is just the hypocrisy of the most hypocritical fan base there is.

  309. limakey says: Joe, TB will not file a defamation suit. He has no grounds.
    =============================

    If you don’t think Brady’s reputation has a dollar figure associated with it, you are kidding yourself

    He currently has the “best recollection” of the lead official and now the AEI Study confirming that the Wells Report actually produced evidence exonerating him – not convicting him

    Wells simply assumed the OPPOSITE findings of the Lead Official’s recollection and the Laws of Physics to reach his preordained conclusions

    It’s a pretty slam dunk case.

    And anyone who asserts that the Patriots do indeed employ a “deflator” will find their hopes of convicting Brady “deflated” when they discover that the Giants and every other team also hire equipment personnel who’s job it is to repeated deflate and inflate footballs (among other things) to break them in to the specifications of their QBs

    Read the NY Times 11/23/13 article “Eli Manning’s Footballs Months in the Making” if you doubt this.

    An expose on the “deflator” procedures for every other NFL team would be VERY interesting reading (though not for those who DESPERATELY wish they could write off the Patriots unprecedented success with the false allegation of cheating)

  310. limakey – for someone who writes so much about Deflategate it seems you’ve failed to read any of the articles:

    #1: It was stated clearly that Brady didn’t know JM by his name, JM – so it should be expected when he was asked who JM was he didn’t know. Ask the wrong question and you’ll get the wrong answer

    #2: Despite your insistance that Brady should have handed over his phone and would have to in court, Brady was never asked to turn over his phone. Those who say such things clearly don’t know what they are talking about

    #3 as stated earlier, the NY Times article “Eli Manning’s Footballs Months in the Making” from 11/23/13 document the “deflator” role played by TWO full time NY Giants employees – and others on EVERY NFL TEAM

    The fact that the Patriots have a “deflator” on staff isn’t quite the smoking gun all the Patriots haters think it is – but the bottom line is that NO DEFLATION TOOK PLACE in the AFC Championship Game according to the lead official and the Laws of Physics…

    So the “proof” is that no wrong doing occured yet Brady’s reputation was sullied by Wells and Goodell. Slam dunk defamation case win IF Brady wants to rub salt in on a wounded Roger Goodell at further risk to his continuing career

  311. One small fact overlooked by the Haters and the Media

    The allegation that the “deflator” took the footballs into the Men’s room and was able to perfectly “deflate” 12 footballs in 90 seconds is at the heart of all of your belief that wrong doing occurred DESPITE the “best recollection” of the official that he used the gague that showed NO DEFLATION OCCURED

    But let’s just say it did

    The officials themselves had ALL of halftime to simply place a gague in each football and measure the PSI

    They were UNABLE to do all 12 of the Colts Footballs with over 10x that much time.

    So why exactly do you think that the Patriots “deflator” (who has counterparts on EVERY NFL TEAM) can perfectly deflate 12 footballs in 90 seconds when the NFL Officials can’t simply MEASURE the PSI in 10x that amount of time????

  312. Joe, again, both JJ and Jim said Tom knew who he was. So either they are lying or TB is. So who is it? And what is more crucial that he denied knowing what JM’s job was. Do you seriously believe that after 15 years in the league, TB doesn’t know what happens to the game balls after he selects them? And it is convenient for TB to deny knowing JM’s name when there is a text about JM’s name being brought up.

  313. limakey says:
    Jun 14, 2015 3:06 PM

    But than again, no Pat fan has ever answered that question. Not one has had the courage to admit that TB is lying about a significant key issue.
    ________________________

    The exact quote in the Wells Report is as follows:
    Brady claimed that prior to the events surrounding the AFCCG, “he did not know McNally’s name”

    As stated by others, that is because he, and everyone, referred to McNally as Bird. This has also been confirmed by former players who also did not know his name, only knew him as Bird.

    JJ’s text messages also referenced JM this way in the Wells Report:

    Bird
    (603) 321-xxxxx

    Would it be safe to assume your real name is not limakey and people on this board would not recognize your real name if someone asked?

  314. @goingtheextramile:

    So glad, you have the free time to collect my posts. I think they’re awesome too. You even found a couple where I was wrong. Do you have the one s where I was right, or did you run out of memory on your AOL account?

  315. Rolf, just because Brady claimed he didn’t know what JM’s name was, doesn’t mean he is telling the truth. However, his denial of knowing what JM did on game days is the real issue. Why deny this?

  316. I know there’s this guy “limakey” who is obsessed with everything Patriots

    If someone told me his real name and asked if I recognized that name I’d say “no”

    So obviously I too am guilty of deflating footballs in some warped form of logic that ignores the fact that the Laws of Physics says they actually weren’t deflated, as confirmed by the “best recollection” of the lead official

    Circumstantial evidence that the Patriots employ a “deflator” makes my guilt a slam dunk even though the NY Times documents the detailed activities of “deflators” employed by the NY Giants and every team in the NFL

    Does all this “logic” make sense to anyone? It shouldn’t – but it’s the way this guy “limakey” thinks (and again, I wouldn’t recognize his real name if anyone asked me – so I’m GUILTY!!!)

    You haters really make it too easy!

    😉

  317. j0esixpack says:
    Jun 14, 2015 4:29 PM
    One small fact overlooked by the Haters and the Media

    The allegation that the “deflator” took the footballs into the Men’s room and was able to perfectly “deflate” 12 footballs in 90 seconds is at the heart of all of your belief that wrong doing occurred DESPITE the “best recollection” of the official that he used the gague that showed NO DEFLATION OCCURED

    But let’s just say it did

    The officials themselves had ALL of halftime to simply place a gague in each football and measure the PSI

    They were UNABLE to do all 12 of the Colts Footballs with over 10x that much time.

    So why exactly do you think that the Patriots “deflator” (who has counterparts on EVERY NFL TEAM) can perfectly deflate 12 footballs in 90 seconds when the NFL Officials can’t simply MEASURE the PSI in 10x that amount of time????

    ———————-

    ALL of halftime? You mean they didn’t have to use the bathroom? Get a drink? Maybe discuss things about the game they were officiating? Are you honestly trying to say they had nothing better to do than a task they normally wouldn’t perform? Or is it possible they were trying to cram that task into the half dozen other things they usually do at halftime, and indeed ran out of time?

    Also, look at the numbers, they weren’t “perfectly” deflated, the numbers were all over the place….. exactly as they would’ve been if somebody left a room that had a bathroom, went to an entirely different bathroom, and hastily released air from a bunch of footballs before he could get caught.

  318. Joe, I have been nothing but respectful of all the posters here. I have not belittled or called anyone names. Nor have I called Patriot Nation any names. You love and respect your team and are fiercelying loyal. I get that. I am not a Pats fan nor am I hater. I love the game itself. Just because I have pointed put flaws in Brady’s story, doesn’t give you the right to respond in an uncivil manner.

  319. limakey, so if Brady does not know Bird’s real name then how would he then know the game day duties of a name he does not know? They did not ask him about “Bird’s” game day duties.

    If I asked you if you know Jack Jones, and you say no – then I proceed and ask you what Jack Jones does, the answer will obviously be that you don’t know. Not following your logic here.

  320. “The AEI report concluded that the Patriots’ footballs “declined by about the expected amount, while the Colts balls declined less.” AEI found that the Colts footballs had an air pressure “significantly higher” than expected.”

    The AEI report shows that not only is there no smoking gun, there is no deflation incident at all. If there was intentional deflation, then the Patriots footballs would have measured much lower than they actually did.

    So all this talk about trying to interpret the text messages, McNally’s bathroom stop, Brady not knowing McNally’s name, etc. has really become pointless.

  321. Rolf, Apparently JJ said otherwise, that TB did know who JM was and what his job was. JM said TB told him directly to tell the ref’s what pressure he wanted the balls at. I think there was an instance when TB wanted the ref to read that rule. And this goes against what he said in his presser. He didn’t know anything about anything.

  322. hivelocityimpactsplatter says:
    Jun 14, 2015 2:33 PM
    There are some assumptions made in the AEI report that indicate a serious flaw in their analysis.

    1. Length of time spent testing pressure.

    It is reasonable to assume the officials engage in activities OTHER THAN testing footballs during halftime (relieving themselves, etc.) It is a huge stretch to believe they spent the entire halftime testing, and thus, allowing adequate time for the Colts’ balls to warm.

    ========================================

    Do you realize that even the Wells report states that they only tested 4 colts footballs BECAUSE THEY RAN OUT of TIME!!! How do they run out of time if they tested it right after the Patriots footballs.

    The AEI report looked at the Exponent data and judging by the Colt Footballs PSIs, the levels were TOO High and could not have been at the levels under the Ideal Gas Law UNLESS they were inside and heated up. That is a huge conclusion in the AEI report.

    At halftime, the refs checked Patriots footballs, reinflated Patriots footballs and then tested Colts until there was no more time. That is obvious to anyone with no bias. In addition, it is clear that the two refs testing the footballs at halftime swapped gauges when the Colts footballs were tested. One gauge always read .40 PSI higher and the different ref had it for the Colts tests. The swap was not noticed and was not intentional however, it only logical that it occurred if the Patriots footballs were tested and then inflated BEFORE, the Colts footballs. No other reason makes sense.

    Nice try Skippy!

  323. At some point you people need to realize limakey is simply trolling. There is no other reason to continually post the same nonsense that’s been perfectly explained for over a month and makes total sense. There cannot be someone out there with the ability to create a username and respond to a PFT article that cannot understand the simple logic involved with this ridiculous assertion about Brady lieing.

    Brady doesn’t know anyone named JM.
    Therefore Brady doesn’t know JMs job.
    Investigator asks Brady if he knows JM or what his job is.
    Brady truthfully answers no.
    Brady knows Bird, but not Birds real name.
    When investigators ask Bird if Brady knows him, Bird truthfully answers yes.
    The question wasn’t “does Brady know your legal name?”

    That’s literally what happened.

  324. limakey, if Brady didn’t know the name Jim McNally then any references to him by that name afterwards are irrelevant. Of course JJ knew his real name, but Brady knew him as Bird. Brady knew what Bird’s job was, but they did not ask him about Bird, only a name he did not know.

  325. So let’s take a moment to put this all into perspective.

    Goodell admitted in his Super Bowl press conference that this is the first time the NFL has ever measured the PSI at halftime of a game. Which means they have no idea as to what the PSI should be in an outdoor game played in January.

    The Wells Report tries very hard to support an opinion that some type of intentional deflation must have occurred based on the allegations, and what their scientific studies say the PSI should be.

    And now AEI comes in and states that based on the data from the Wells Report itself, the Patriots’ footballs “declined by about the expected amount”.

    So the data in the Wells Report itself does not support the conclusion of the Wells Report. I guess we really have come full circle with all this.

  326. lima is laughing at you guys

    He knows he is pulling your chain and getting you to bite.

    Do not pay attention to limabeans when they speak. They associate themselves with MIXED VEGETABLES. You can find them in the frozen section.

    Now for the rest of the Sheeple :

    Two FACTS that Goodell and his followers refuse to acknowledge:
    #1.) The entire AFCCG when Brady & Patriots completely DISSOLVED any suspicion of a Rule 17 violation.

    #2.) The entire SB XLIX when Brady broke NFL PASSING Records with Rule 17 Approved Footballs against the #1 Defense in the entire league – perhaps in the history of the NFL as well.

    Why do you think Goodell wants you looking in any other direction then those two games?

  327. lima is laughing at you guys

    He knows he is pulling your chain and getting you to bite.
    —————————————————
    Exactly right. But, one has to wonder how someone can spend all day, every day getting his jollies doing this. Not sure who the joke’s really on.

  328. limakey says: Just because I have pointed put flaws in Brady’s story, doesn’t give you the right to respond in an uncivil manner.
    ==============================

    Ummmm

    You actually haven’t

    Your last and final “smoking gun” that you were SURE proved Brady’s guilt was just EASILY debunked in about 4 lines of text

    Sorry if pointing out the numerous fallacies of your arguments seems disrespectful – but you’re not making logical sense

  329. limakey – answer truthfully:

    I expect you would recognize my screen name if you heard it.

    Would you recognize my real name if you heard it?

    If the answer is “no” then that must prove you’re guilty of SOMETHING, right?

    Why is this concept so difficult for you to understand? That’s kindof embarrassing!

  330. I am not the one who said that TB did in fact know who Jim McNally was or what his role was. It was JJ. I am not the one who denied who JM was, or the fact he handles the balls after the ref does. TB did. Not my fault the evidence is TB is lying. And that is what he will face in his appeal hearing. So I guess TB will prove JJ and JM are the liars?

  331. johnheisman says:
    Jun 14, 2015 6:14 PM
    hivelocityimpactsplatter says:
    Jun 14, 2015 2:33 PM
    There are some assumptions made in the AEI report that indicate a serious flaw in their analysis.

    1. Length of time spent testing pressure.

    It is reasonable to assume the officials engage in activities OTHER THAN testing footballs during halftime (relieving themselves, etc.) It is a huge stretch to believe they spent the entire halftime testing, and thus, allowing adequate time for the Colts’ balls to warm.

    ========================================

    Do you realize that even the Wells report states that they only tested 4 colts footballs BECAUSE THEY RAN OUT of TIME!!! How do they run out of time if they tested it right after the Patriots footballs.

    ——————-

    They likely ran out of time because they didn’t start testing the second they got back to the lockerroom, as they probably had a couple other things to do 1st.

    nice try though, junior

  332. I have a bad short term memory so I f I hear a name I may not remember it unless I hear it alot. Maybe TB heard the equipment guys nicknames alot more than their real names so he forgot them

  333. “”Ted, I have been very clear, that both JM and JJ said Tom did know him but more importantly, TB knew what JM’s job was. I know why he lied, but I can’t wait to hear your response. But than again, no Pat fan has ever answered that question. Not one has had the courage to admit that TB is lying about a significant key issue.”””

    Lima, so what if Brady said he did not know JM? He knew him as Bird.

    But it really does not matter because the Science shows the footballs were within range of ideal gas law, especially if you go by what the ref said about using the logo gauge. When physical evidence proves no wrong doing what does it matter what was said months ago or about JM?

  334. Or maybe the NFL handled this so badly that what people percieve as the Pats lying may actually be a non issue and the balls coming from having been inflated at room temp to being brought into the cold is why they deflated. Also no one is talking about the Colts and the report that their equipment people were seen with a needle on the sidelines during the game. Via the rules at that point ONLY the Refs are supposed to be the only one’s carrying the needle

  335. Super, in the Wells Report, TB said he did not know who Jim McNally was, what his job was or if he had contact with game officials. Because of the statements made by JJ and JM and other evidence, they did not find this plausible. The nickname was brought up in the rebuttal.

  336. The Deflator’s texts have proven to be #1.) taken out of context #2.) not connected to the AFCCG #3.) exonerate Brady as they state 12.5 psi – 13.0 psi #4.) irrelevant at this point because of the FACTUAL evidence that absolves Brady

    But some people do not understand why and they are playing ‘pin the tail on the donkey’.

  337. #1.) When you apply a text from May as if it were said the day of the AFCCG

    #2.) When you quote only parts of the text and paste it to an assumed conclusion.

    #3.) Leaving out important parts of the text like the news media did. Many articles on the web and on TV left out that the Deflator texted = Brady wants the footballs 13.0 psi.

    That is the ‘out of context’ I am referring to.

    There is no rule violation for Inflating or Deflating footballs, as long as they stay in the 12.5 psi – 13.5 psi range.

  338. limakey says: Super, in the Wells Report, TB said he did not know who Jim McNally was, what his job was or if he had contact with game officials. Because of the statements made by JJ and JM and other evidence, they did not find this plausible. The nickname was brought up in the rebuttal.
    ============================

    Finally YES! Thank you!!!!

    Now was that REALLY so difficult to comprehend that Brady knew him by his nickname?

    He’d no more know “Bird” by his real name than we would of you.

    THANK YOU for finally accepting logic!

    And as you point out, the fact that Wells couldn’t find this common sense concept plausible PROVES he was attempting to reach a pre-determined conclusion.

    Nice to have you on board. Go Pats!

  339. Rings, once the ref does his inspection, nothing should be done to the balls. Even if the ref screws the qb. Altering the ball after ref’s inspection is a violation. Never did I associate the texts with the AFCC game. I thought it was clear the dates of the texts.

  340. limakey says: Rings, once the ref does his inspection, nothing should be done to the balls. Even if the ref screws the qb.
    ==============================

    Correct and excellent point… and the evidence (if not the conclusion) of the Wells Report now does two things

    #1 – As has now been affirmed the scientific evidence and “best recollection” of the official, included in the Wells Report showed that NO deflation occurred

    #2 – The Wells Report includes text messages regarding a circumstance during which the officials, in a game the Patriots were playing against Mike Kensil’s former team, set Brady’s footballs at whopping 16 psi

    When the NFL does their investigation into that game, along with their internal investigation into the false leaks and scandal of giving $5 million to Wells for that joke of a report, it will be interesting to find out how THAT happened!

    But I’m not going to hold my breath expecting an investigation into the “integrity of the game” if it makes Goodell look bad rather than the Patriots at this point

  341. Joe, JJ gave evidence that TB knew who he was and what his role was. TB denied, in the Wells Report that he knew who JM was and what his job was. The rebuttal only gives a weak out for TB as to knowing his name. But not what his game day activities were. And while WA gave his best recollection, JM’s best recollection was he used a urinal where no urinal was.

  342. limakey says: Joe, JJ gave evidence that TB knew who he was and what his role was. TB denied, in the Wells Report that he knew who JM was and what his job was. The rebuttal only gives a weak out for TB as to knowing his name. But not what his game day activities were. And while WA gave his best recollection, JM’s best recollection was he used a urinal where no urinal was.
    ================================

    You’re not really making too much sense any more

    Look – I’ll make it easy.

    1.) All of the players knew this guy by the nickname “Bird”

    You can choose not to believe that… but here’s the kicker

    2.) The balls weren’t deflated – that’s the conclusion of the AEI report and the “best recollection” of the lead official.

    The Wells report disregards both science and the statement of its lead official

    So what is it again is it that you’re up in arms about?

    Nothing happened!

    I’m not sure where the urinal comes into play… you’re now stating that the video of him going into the rest room doesn’t exist now???

    The fact that he took them to the urinal proves that the Patriots equipment guys do the same thing that the Skiba Brothers do for Eli Manning (I’m sure you’ve read that article by now, no?)

    So you’ve got more PROOF that doing such a thing is standard operating procedure

  343. And yes, this is the same Joe Skiba from the Giants sued along with Eli Manning for selling fake Giants memorabilia

    … so the only equipment managers and QBs in the NFL we’ve discussed thus far who actually DO have a criminal/civil violation record are Eli Manning and Joe Skiba

    (Funny how people don’t even know about a scandal involving Manning selling shirts as fake “authentic worn by/used by” – if Brady did that can you imagine the HUGE outcry??)

  344. limakey says:
    Jun 14, 2015 10:13 PM

    JJ gave evidence that TB knew who he was and what his role was. TB denied
    _____________________

    Seems like you continue to miss (or should I say avoid) the point – TB only knew him as Bird, and according to the exact quote in the Wells Report TB said that “he did not know McNally’s name”, which means he would obviously not know the role of a name he did not recognize.

    You also said in another post that the nickname was brought up in the rebuttal, but that is not true – it was also in the Wells Report, exact quote:
    “Jastremski generally refers to McNally by his nickname “Bird”.

  345. limakey: Logic, reason, critical thinking, facts…

    DOES

    NOT

    COMPUTE

    JM knows Brady, Brady doesn’t know JM, explanations make sense but can’t be right because they do not match my preconceived assumptions. I KNOW! I’ll just repeat the same process again! If I say it again it may come true!

  346. you mean the same Wells group that was hired by big tobacco to write a report that smoking doesn’t cause lung cancer and by the NFL that constant concussions don’t cause dementia created a report that may be “unreliable” just like in their bountygate report? Well I am shocked! Flabbergasted! Next you will tell me the Wells group simply takes large sums of money and will write a report to support any stance their client wants…

  347. AEI also said AGW was a farce despite more than 97.2% of the World’s scientists who study climate agreeing that it is real and has a more than 90% chance of being caused primarily by man’s activity.

    They’re a right-wing spin machine. DUH!

  348. AEI is the respected research firm approved by Tagliabue, an actual RESPECTED Commissioner of the NFL, and approved by the NFL itself to review Bountygate.

    They debunked the underlying premise of Bountygate and Tagliabue rescinded the penalties he could.

    Conveniently now that they’ve exonerated the Patriots, all those who quietly accepted AEI’s previous findings are desperately trying to discredit them – even going so far as to fabricate an association with Robert Kraft

    AEI was not on anyone’s payroll for this report, unlike Wells who decided to ignore the Laws of Physics and the “best recollection” of the lead official, both of which confirmed NO DEFLATION OCCURRED so that he could pocket $5 million in a continued investigation.

  349. Sorry chowderheads, but there are other scientific reports that have been released that support the Wells report. So those hoping for Shady to start game one are in for a disappointment.

  350. steelercrazy says: Sorry chowderheads, but there are other scientific reports that have been released that support the Wells report.
    ===================================

    Such as?

    Roger Goodell and the NFL Competition Committee doesn’t have the power to re-write the Laws of Physics just because they prove Brady innocent you know 😉

    Wells openly admits that Anderson confirmed he used the gague that showed there was no deflation.

    Although he accepts Anderson’s “best recollection” in every other instance – using that best recollection for most of his “definitely maybe” determination he selectively chooses to assume the OPPOSITE of that best recollection when it exonerates Brady

    As with the AEI study, any impartial review will find that the evidence contained in the Wells Report actually exonerates Brady, even if Wells does backflips to reach the opposite conclusion!

  351. Also, Brady, failed to cooperate, clear violation of NFL policy that he agreed to abide by.

    Brady text message states how he likes the balls deflated. Ball boys normally inflate so referring to themselves as deflators is a contradiction to who they actually are, unless of course they’re actually deflating!

    Sorry Chowderheads, look for the suspension to be upheld!

  352. I don’t get the whole issue of whether tb knew jm. What would it matter if they had lunch every day together?

    The trolls desperately, desperately, desperately need this witch hunt to be true. Otherwise they have no valid excuse for their own team’s shortcomings.

    Their continued postings equate to a digital voodoo doll.

    I have to laugh. (Caddy shack bill Murray voice)

  353. Gostkowski also refused to cooperate and yes the balls are under his purview as well yet he was not suspended no it is the other owners who’ve had enough of whatever staffs they hire fail most times against the Pats So they got their puppet Goodell to act

  354. teelercrazy says: Also, Brady, failed to cooperate, clear violation of NFL policy that he agreed to abide by.

    Brady text message states how he likes the balls deflated. Ball boys normally inflate so referring to themselves as deflators is a contradiction to who they actually are, unless of course they’re actually deflating!

    Sorry Chowderheads, look for the suspension to be upheld!
    =============================

    The Wells Report actually has evidence and the statement of the lead official that NO deflation occurred.

    So what is it Brady failed to “cooperate” about?

    And as someone who presumably READ the texts you are referring to you know exactly what PSI amount the texts say Brady prefers

    13.0 PSI

    Sooo… what is it you’re so upset about?

    Kindof seems like Steelers and their fans both have Roid Rage! 😉

  355. Okay, to the geniuses who make the argument that time ran out to test all the Colts balls because the ref’s probably had other things to do first like go to the rest room or talk about the game they were officiating let me throw this little tidbit out there. The game officials DIDN’T test the balls at halftime!! Kensil had at the ready the head of officials, and a couple other ref’s handy for the express purpose of doing it. They even switched gauges for cripe’s sake! It’s right there in the Wells Report you people refuse to actually read and comprehend! The sting was going to hell so they stopped, plain and simple. The Pats balls were tested, reinflated, and tested again before they started testing the Colts balls. Plenty of time for them to warm more than the Pats would have. There is no deflategate, it simply didn’t happen. However something very shady occurred among NFL league officials, ESPN, NFL Network and Ted Wells. The only true justice to be had here is that it comes to light what exactly and who exactly was involved.

  356. The report should have read, “Yes, the Patriots likely tampered with the air pressure, but given the final score of the game, the ball could have been completely flat and the Colts still would be hanging their participation banner.”

    It’s hard to rationalize 45-7 as anything other than a buttkicking.

  357. Limakey, sure Brady has grounds to sue for defamation. Look at all the hate on these sites.
    Hey it doesn’t matter what the colors of the jersey is that you and I root for. That’s all fun. But the commissoner of the league and his office cannot consciously accuse one of those who wear those jerseys as a profession of being a cheater, liar, or any other name that defames him without having proof. Not only does that action negatively affect Brady’s reputation, it seriously puts Brady and his family at risk of physical harm. Unfortunately, there are all manner of people out there that take this way too seriously. And if they saw Brady and his family in public, who knows what they might do to extract supposed retribution.
    Goodell and the other NFL executives who are behind the deflate gate controversy, and Wells for his obviously contrived conclusions, won’t be let off the hook in court. They went too far. Kessler will make that clear in his arguments before a truly independent and integrity-filled judge. And they will pay the price. It can’t end any other way. The line was crossed by Goodell and he will suffer the consequences.

  358. Fact: The lead official confirmed he used the gague that showed no deflation – and Wells assumed the opposite in order to arrive at his pre-determined conclusion

    Fact: Sources in the NFL have consistently been leaking false information intended to make the Patriots look bad and fan the flames of this faux “scandal”

    Fact: The actual measured PSI shows that no unusual deflation occurred

    Fact: Brady’s preferred PSI according to the texts is 13.0 PSI – not the minimum or lower. The texts also show that the officials in Jets games have cheated by over-inflating Patriots footballs to 16.0 PSI

    Fact: All other NFL teams employ “deflators” as the Patriots do as documented by the NY Times in “Eli Manning’s Footballs Months in the Making” eliminating this as “circumstantial” evidence

    FACT: Goodell believes that the majority of NFL fans are ignorant and gullible enough to ignore all of these facts and still join in the chorus of those who think the above facts actually show Brady to be guilty

    FACT: Goodell is generally right about the ignorance and gullibility of non-Patriots fans, as proven by most of the hater comments above

  359. What the Brady**** apologists ignore is that Brady**** refused to cooperate and lied, breaking two player conduct rules.

    That is why he is sitting for 4 games and why his appeal will fail.

    Apparently, to be a Patriots**** fan, you have to ignore reality.

  360. “Fact: The lead official confirmed he used the gague that showed no deflation – and Wells assumed the opposite in order to arrive at his pre-determined conclusion”

    False and a totally unsubstantiated conjecture.

    “Fact: Sources in the NFL have consistently been leaking false information intended to make the Patriots look bad and fan the flames of this faux “scandal””

    Completely irrelevant to the case and totally unsubstantiated conjecture

    “Fact: The actual measured PSI shows that no unusual deflation occurred”

    Provably false. The deflation defied the laws of physics.

    “Fact: Brady’s preferred PSI according to the texts is 13.0 PSI – not the minimum or lower. The texts also show that the officials in Jets games have cheated by over-inflating Patriots footballs to 16.0 PSI”

    Totally unsubstantiated conjecture coming from a player that not only has reason to lie, but actually lied.

    “Fact: All other NFL teams employ “deflators” as the Patriots do as documented by the NY Times in “Eli Manning’s Footballs Months in the Making” eliminating this as “circumstantial” evidence”

    Totally unsubstantiated conjecture

    “FACT: Goodell believes that the majority of NFL fans are ignorant and gullible enough to ignore all of these facts and still join in the chorus of those who think the above facts actually show Brady to be guilty”

    Totally unsubstantiated conjecture

    “FACT: Goodell is generally right about the ignorance and gullibility of non-Patriots fans, as proven by most of the hater comments above”

    Totally unsubstantiated conjecture

    Good job, disguising your opinion as fact. Is there a reality distortion field in the NE area?

  361. hivelocityimpactsplatter says:
    Jun 13, 2015 12:53 PM
    Read up on AEI, they are noted climate-change deniers and received over $1B from ExxonMobil. Their board includes CEOs of huge drug companies like Merck and Amgen.

    Clearly friends of Robert Kraft doing him a solid.
    ————————————————-
    I just researched your claim. They dont deny climate change, in fact they have stated “[I]t has never been true that we ignore mainstream science; and anyone who reads AEI publications closely can see that we are not “skeptics” about warming. It is possible to accept the general consensus about the existence of global warming while having valid questions about the extent of warming, the consequences of warming, and the appropriate responses. In particular, one can remain a policy skeptic, which is where we are today, along with nearly all economists.”

  362. Read up on AEI, they are noted climate-change deniers and received over $1B from ExxonMobil. Their board includes CEOs of huge drug companies like Merck and Amgen.

    Clearly friends of Robert Kraft doing him a solid.
    ————————————————
    I just researched your claim. The truth is, they dont deny climate change, in fact, they stated “[I]t has never been true that we ignore mainstream science; and anyone who reads AEI publications closely can see that we are not “skeptics” about warming. It is possible to accept the general consensus about the existence of global warming while having valid questions about the extent of warming, the consequences of warming, and the appropriate responses. In particular, one can remain a policy skeptic, which is where we are today, along with nearly all economists.”
    Also, they recieved less than 1b from exxon (i know thats semantics but get your numbers right ffs) and you know who else got paid by exxon? EXPONANT, you know the company who said that the pats deflated balls? well they also have former exxon employees who were paid to say that their oil spill was not bad for the environment. for example : L. Brun Hilbert, Jr., Ph.D., P.E., Dr. Hilbert has been consulting at Exponent since 1996 in the fields of mechanical and petroleum engineering, with special applications to engineering mechanics and geomechanics. But he ALSO Prior to joining Exponent, Dr. Hilbert was employed as an Engineering Specialist for Exxon Production Research Company. So even if the pats did pay AEI for their report. Arent they just leveling the playing field? you cant fault AEI without faulting Exponant which means that nothing happened.

  363. There’s two things that’s amazing about this case

    The way that Goodell has just chosen to ignore common sense, science and the word of his lead official – all of which show that the footballs had NO unusual deflation

    Goodell is making a mockery of the NFL – openly acknowledging that they have no proof – so they’ll assume the OPPOSITE and offer a “definitely maybe” finding – handing down a slanderous penalty when Brady quite literally did NOTHING

    But while this is all blatantly obvious to AEI (Tagliabue’s hand picked firm) Sally Jenkins, and the NY Times Editorial Board among others, look around the NFL and you’ll see jealous fans buying all of this BS from Goodell hook line and sinker

    It’s astonishing how gullible Goodell thinks they are – and even more amazing that HE’S RIGHT

    The Laws of Physics and the word of his top official both affirm that nothing happened – so Goodell says “we’ll assume the opposite” and the majority of NFL fans say “that sounds about right!”

    Amazing. Now you’ll NEVER have those hater fans admit they were so seriously duped – so they’ll be locked into this witch hunt conspiracy theory as long as they live

    Quite sad actually

  364. For all those people crying over the gauges, the Logo gauge tested higher than ALL the other gauges inspected, INCLUDING the gauges used by both teams to inflate the balls to begin with, prior to inspection. That’s why Exponent deduced that Walt Anderson used the non-logo gauge.

    Furthermore, if Walt used the Logo gauge during inspection, that would mean the balls submitted were below regs to begin with. So good luck hanging your hat, and Brady’s “innocence” on that. The doubt about psi alone is enough to look further and see the lies and cover up. Everybody focuses on the texts when in fact there was over an hours worth of phone calls as well.

    #4gamevacation

    #uhohfumblesrupagain

    #payupandmoveon

    #LegacyofCheating

  365. “you cant fault AEI without faulting Exponant which means that nothing happened.”

    ****

    Patriot logic at its finest, folks. If competing experts disagree, innocence! LMAO.

    #somanyexcuses

    #wherestheurinal?

    #dontholdurbreathonthebradylawsuit

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