Terrell Suggs: Tom Brady’s legacy isn’t tarnished by Deflategate

Patriots quarterback Tom Brady is receiving support from a surprising colleague: Ravens linebacker Terrell Suggs.

Suggs says Brady, who is suspended for the first four games of the season for Deflategate, still has a sterling reputation in the NFL for what he’s done on the field.

The guy is a winner,” Suggs said, via ESPN. “He’s won with whatever kind of personnel that he’s had. So I don’t think it really tarnished it.”

Suggs indicated that the media have made Deflategate a bigger deal than it deserves to be.

“But you know, you need something to write about,” Suggs said. “Everybody needs something to write about and needs something to talk about. It’s always something. I’m leaving that alone. They have people who handle that. I am going to stick to what we got to do here.”

Brady had nothing but praise for Suggs when asked about him in January, and now Suggs is returning the favor. These two guys who have battled so many times on the field have formed mutual respect over the course of all those battles.

167 responses to “Terrell Suggs: Tom Brady’s legacy isn’t tarnished by Deflategate

  1. True. Also the Washington Post put out an article yesterday supporting the AEI Report and adding some choice quotes from the authors. Apparently the Wells Report switches math formulae at one point, a “mistake you’d see in a freshman physics class.” And from that, 50 more pages of errors.

  2. ZERO proof at all in the $5 Million Well$ Report that Brady did any one thing wrong.

    It takes a great deal of envy and a heavy dose of intellectual dishonesty to believe otherwise.

    The Pats will STILL be better than your team and Brady will STILL be better than your QB regardless of the fantasy you choose to entertain in your darkened little mind.

  3. Suggs was told by Captain Sippycup (Harbagh) to not say anything negative in fear of the upcoming lawsuit.

    We all know that this started with Baltimore and their whining.

    Brady is going to torch this stinking dumpster of a biased league and it’s going to be biblical.

    Kiss the rings

  4. Of course. The dirty little secret is that there is a TON of cheating going on in sports. It’s happening in every sport, and the Wells report had major league holes in it.

    Of course now we have had a bigger incident that should put things into perspective by the morons who thought deflategate was a big deal. That issue…the St. Louis Cardinals hacking of the Astros.

    If true, deflategate even if it was proven would be a 1 on a scale of 10 and the hacking would be a 9 or 10.

    Of course this is just sports, and in the real world, all of Obombu and Bush’s Neo-Con crimes and fraudulent practices are the real concern people should be mad about. But games and bread. Too bad the games and bread are filled by people who can’t even get this worthless crap right.

  5. Sizzle always tells like it is. HOF is waiting for him after he gets another Ring this year Courtesy of January Joe and an offense that is going to MAUL people! Can’t wait

  6. Wow, kind of unxpected but respect goes out to Suggs… he was given the perfect chance to bash an AFC rival and he took the high road.

  7. Yes it is tarnished. The guy was called The Deflator because he was fat? COME ON MAN

  8. Suggs’ long familiarity as an AFC rival has clouded his judgment. Every single Brady accomplishment has been thrown into question and tainted since the DeflateGate scandal exposed his cheating. The Patriots fumbles/turnovers are going to be sky high this season as using non-tampered footballs causes their abnormally low turnover rate to correct back to the median. And Patriots homers will still pretend his blatant ball tampering didn’t matter all these years.

  9. Of course his legacy is changed he’s a cheater on more than 1 occasion he got caught. Sure there’s probably a lot of cheating going on but it’s not cheating until you get caught he got caught. If this was baseball it would keep him out of the hall of fame. At careers end he will be introduced as 2 time cheating hall of fame QB Tom Brady.

  10. Brady doesn’t care about deflate gate. The best thing he could do is not fight the suspension. He is a winner. Pure and simple.
    He’s laughing all the way to the Hall of Fame.
    I respect him for what he is… a winner.

  11. Suggs never said a kind thing about the Patriots before. Clearly he knows that the whole sting (his coach helped get started) was BS.

  12. Suggs will get a pair of Uggs in the mail. I applaud the dude for being chill on Brady, for once.

  13. A guy using the name Muslim Ponder doesn’t believe in science.

    That actually makes a lot of sense.

  14. Agree with Suggs. Although Tom was not cooperative he and the NE Pats are winners. As a Ravens fan it’s easy to see that NE is the gold standard of sports organizations along with Pittsburg, GB and a Ravens organization that’s still maturing as an elite organization. What do elite teams have in common, leadership stability, in the front office, coaches, on the field and a franchise QB. They don’t fish during FA, allow their players to move on rather then over pay them and draft well.

  15. Of course it’s tarnished. The man cheated, then refused to obey the CBA and cooperate, in an effort to hide his cheating.

    The man has no place in the NFL and though he’ll eventually make it, he should have no place in the Hall.

  16. muslimponder says:
    Jun 18, 2015 6:45 PM

    The Patriots fumbles/turnovers are going to be sky high this season as using non-tampered footballs causes their abnormally low turnover rate to correct back to the median. And Patriots homers will still pretend his blatant ball tampering didn’t matter all these years.
    =========================

    Props to Suggs for telling it like it is. Now for Mr. Pounder er Ponder….I’ll wager that the Pats turnover rate will stay the same or probably improve without Ridley carrying the rock.

  17. vbe2 says:
    Jun 18, 2015 6:56 PM

    The man cheated, then refused to obey the CBA
    _____________________

    I am looking at the CBA – can you tell me which page says that players are required to hand over their personal cell phones to the league?

    I have a feeling Kessler may have an issue with that logic.

  18. Nobody with a brain is suggesting that Brady isn’t a great football player. And maybe tarnished isn’t the proper word. When you’re talking about the all-time greats like Willie Mays, Joe Montana, Michael Jordan, those conversations go on fifty years after they retire. Certain players get elevated to God status. That’s why the Brady thing is talked about so much. The Barry Bonds thing got so much attention because he was getting into the Willie Mays conversation. And Bonds hasn’t been found guilty of anything. But still, Bonds will always take a back seat to Mays. Brady was getting into the alltime conversation too, and now that’s real quiet. Now it’s just a matter of Brady being a top ten guy, or top 20. I can’t control the way people think, but that’s just how it is.

  19. tonebones says:
    Jun 18, 2015 7:16 PM
    Nobody with a brain is suggesting that Brady isn’t a great football player. And maybe tarnished isn’t the proper word. When you’re talking about the all-time greats like Willie Mays, Joe Montana, Michael Jordan, those conversations go on fifty years after they retire. Certain players get elevated to God status. That’s why the Brady thing is talked about so much. The Barry Bonds thing got so much attention because he was getting into the Willie Mays conversation. And Bonds hasn’t been found guilty of anything. But still, Bonds will always take a back seat to Mays. Brady was getting into the alltime conversation too, and now that’s real quiet. Now it’s just a matter of Brady being a top ten guy, or top 20. I can’t control the way people think, but that’s just how it is.

    You are wrong he is the G.O.A.T and when he wins # 5 or # 6 what are you going to say then?

  20. Brady will always be tarnished. He got a pass on Spygate but he won’t on this. He will sit his four games and drop it. He has no leverage.

  21. From Sally Jenkins a well respected writer from the Washington Post.

    All you need is the first paragraph…

    Tom Brady is said to be seeking total exoneration, and it appears he’s entitled to it. The idea that Brady and the New England Patriots intentionally deflated footballs for a competitive advantage has been discredited by everyone from sidewalk chemists to Web physicists to unlicensed ceramicists, not to mention your own common sense. But most importantly, it is utterly shredded in a new scientific analysis by the American Enterprise Institute, which shows the only inflation problem is in NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell’s head

  22. Almost made it a day without a deflategate headline. The nothing story chugs along. Can’t wait for Fraudger’s beat down, it will be legendary.

  23. vbe2 says:
    Jun 18, 2015 6:56 PM

    Of course it’s tarnished. The man cheated, then refused to obey the CBA and cooperate, in an effort to hide his cheating.
    __________________________________
    The CBA does not require you to turn over personal cell phones.

    And when Mueller did his investigation into the Ray Rice incident the NFL executives did not hand over personal cell phones. And nor did we hear of any of the phone records from NFL Execs who might have been responsible for leaking false psi levels to the media.

    I think Kessler is praying the Goodel upholds Brady’s suspension and is drooling over the idea of squaring off against them in court again.

  24. Like many players Suggs knows what goes on in the NFL and is smart enough to call it what it should of been. Basically this is a ‘minor’ equipment violation if that but Goodell’s underlings pushed this and now he’s backed into a corner. When you spend $5 million on an investigation you have to stand by it even if you know it’s wrong.

  25. Once the appeal and then possible court case (if Goodell doesn’t first come to his senses) have played out and Brady’s suspension vacated as all logical thinking people know it will be, then Brady will be without doubt the GOAT, even in the mind of tonebones.
    Bank on it.

  26. Kinda reminds me of the Brett Favre- Warren Sapp rivalry…always hated each other until they were a little older and more mature and the mutual respect started to show through. Props to Suggs for not taking the road a lot of his peers have taken. He sees through the media-league front office bs.

  27. People seem to forget that the Ravens winning ways were built on a Belichick foundation that guys like Ozzie Newsome readily acknowledge.

  28. Seriously Pat fans, do you really think TB, JJ and JM will testify under oath? Be honest, the Pats don’t want anything to do with JJ or JM. They will have their own lawyers and they will do what is in their best interest. And right now, on two key issues, they have it over Brady.

  29. @ReligionIsForIdiots says:
    Jun 18, 2015 7:20 PM

    You’re right, it’s tarnished by the tuck rule, filming walkthroughs, taping sideline signals, bugging headsets AND deflating footballs.

    Wow, when did Brady have time to do all of this?

    You are the perfect example of a Tool and a Troll who posts without having any FACTS whatsoever.

    Yours must be a very, very lonely life.

  30. Deflator Texts. Stole the balls from locker room. Ducked into bathroom, Lied about it…..

    Tom pleads the fif

    Lies in his 3 interviews

    The science is fine but they didn’t need it

    End of Brady…….always Shady

  31. It was also a shocker when Sherman shook Brady’s hand during the SB. Suggs will not even say Brady’s name, that’s how much he dislikes Brady. Same with Sherman. But deep inside they know that Brady is a great player. Even the fog of envy can’t hide that.

  32. It’s not a court criminal law proceeding

    It’s the rule of lowest common standard to find probable cause of wrong doing…….they, the wells report proved it.

    The science is relevant but not necessary…….they got all the proof they needed

  33. patstipoftheiceberg says:
    Jun 18, 2015 7:53 PM
    Deflator Texts. Stole the balls from locker room. Ducked into bathroom, Lied about it…..

    Tom pleads the fif

    Lies in his 3 interviews

    The science is fine but they didn’t need it

    End of Brady…….always Shady

    —–
    So apparently you didn’t read the Wells report either!

    If you did you would know he walked out of a room full of NFL personal with the balls and no one said anything.

    Then the video shows him walking by a game official and into the bathroom
    Never pleaded the 5th and never lied.

    If you are going to try and talk shiz, at least know what you are talking about.

  34. And yet, his rep is actually tainted forever. Did he even see the ESPN poll where 54% of Americans know Brady cheated?!!

    Sorry, truth hurts.

  35. ” If this was baseball it would keep him out of the hall of fame.”

    If this was baseball, it would be just the equivalent of doctoring a ball. We can ask Whitey Ford, Gaylord Perry or Dan Sutton (all having admitted to doctoring balls) how things are going in Cooperstown.

    It’s a few ticks of air in a ball, people. Not perjury and obstruction of justice after juicing your entire career.

  36. u4iadman says:
    Jun 18, 2015 8:12 PM
    And yet, his rep is actually tainted forever. Did he even see the ESPN poll where 54% of Americans know Brady cheated?!!

    Sorry, truth hurts.

    Yeah that was a poll of 500 people, hardly representative of “America”

  37. Flash, No matter how you look it, JM took the balls without permission, that is a rule violation. He said he used a urinal where there was no urinal. He has given varying accounts. And he was involved in another incident in 2004. He has zero credibility.

  38. The league tarnished its own reputation with that clown show sting operation and ensuing kangaroo court.

  39. limakey says:
    Jun 18, 2015 8:32 PM
    Flash, No matter how you look it, JM took the balls without permission, that is a rule violation. He said he used a urinal where there was no urinal. He has given varying accounts. And he was involved in another incident in 2004. He has zero credibility.

    No record of any incident with JM in 2004

  40. Matters not if its a sting. You don’t tell the multi time bank robbers you’re waiting for them in the bank vault

    Such sad ways of thinking and protection of cheating

  41. Just don’t let the facts get in the way of your pity party….

    “The AEI report concluded that the Patriots’ footballs “declined by about the expected amount, while the Colts balls declined less.” AEI found that the Colts footballs had an air pressure “significantly higher” than expected.”

  42. See, I have a hard time with the whole sting operation. This all happened because of an interception. Where is the proof they were going to weigh the balls at half time or after the game? If TB throws no int, then no investigation?

  43. The science is relevant but not necessary……
    —————————–

    Without the science there are no deflated footballs — and without those, there is no case at all.

  44. Suggs is not the brightest bulb in the display,

    but he’s a LOT smarter than the Brady-haters on here.

    12 Patriots footballs were at the pressure that you would expect them to be.

    /over

  45. You know he shares a minority opinion just by the mear fact they felt the need to report it. If it was the prevailing opinion…then it wouldnt be news.

    And for all the Patriot sympithizers stating the NFL should have notified the Patriots they were going to check the game ball’s air pressures: Why didnt the Patriots notify the officials that they intended to cheat? Then, they could have had a dialogue about it.

  46. u4iadman says:
    Jun 18, 2015 8:12 PM

    And yet, his rep is actually tainted forever. Did he even see the ESPN poll where 54% of Americans know Brady cheated?!!

    Sorry, truth hurts.

    ————–

    An ESPN poll suddenly represents the truth?

    Think about it… the fan base of 31 teams that hate the Patriots could only muster a 4 percent victory over 1 team’s fan base. You realize that the Patriots got 46% of that vote at the time when the issue was the most heated ever. If they reissue the same poll in 2016 Brady will get 80% plus easily.

  47. whitetrash69 says:
    Jun 18, 2015 8:24 PM

    Brady is a great QB but everything during the Belicheat era is tarnished, its undeniable…

    —————

    Saying something us undeniable doesn’t make it undeniable. As a matter of fact… I deny it!

  48. envybreedsidiocy says:Jun 18, 2015 6:39 PM

    ZERO proof at all in the $5 Million Well$ Report that Brady did any one thing wrong.

    It takes a great deal of envy and a heavy dose of intellectual dishonesty to believe otherwise.

    The Pats will STILL be better than your team and Brady will STILL be better than your QB regardless of the fantasy you choose to entertain in your darkened little mind.
    __________________________________

    Brady will go down as one of the best guys with an *asterisk* next to his name, and ALL of his accomplishments in history. So will Belicheat. Apart from the dishonesty, they’re swell guys. You Patriot lovers can defend it or rationalize it away all you want, but this is not a single incident we’re talking about. It’s a culture in your club-house. Period.

  49. “Tom Brady has three, I think, a questionable three. ”
    –Terrell Suggs, on Brady’s rings, 2011

    “Oh, you know, you’ve got the tuck rule incident and then you’ve got the videotaping of the other team’s practices. It’s just like, OK, what’s going on here? You know?”
    –Terrell Suggs

    Yeah, Suggs is a consistent judge of character, huh?

  50. vbe2 says:
    Jun 18, 2015 6:56 PM

    Of course it’s tarnished. The man cheated, then refused to obey the CBA and cooperate, in an effort to hide his cheating.

    The man has no place in the NFL and though he’ll eventually make it, he should have no place in the Hall.

    ——————-

    I guess you believe you should just comply to whatever someone asks you to do regardless of whether you believe it’s right or wrong. Full cooperation doesn’t necessarily mean going through someone’s personal affairs. Clearly there would have been no more texts or calls between the 3 guys that are accused to be involved because the NFL would already have them. Therefore why did Brady need to submit his texts?

  51. Suggs was told by Captain Sippycup (Harbagh) to not say anything negative in fear of the upcoming lawsuit.

    We all know that this started with Baltimore and their whining.

    Brady is going to torch this stinking dumpster of a biased league and it’s going to be biblical.

    Kiss the rings
    __________________________________

    Puh-leeeeze … kiss my *asterisk* is more like it.

  52. thetooloftools says:Jun 18, 2015 6:52 PM

    Brady doesn’t care about deflate gate. The best thing he could do is not fight the suspension. He is a winner. Pure and simple.
    He’s laughing all the way to the Hall of Fame.
    I respect him for what he is… a winner.
    __________________________________

    You seriously believe this crap? How do any of you Patriot lovers explain why Pete Rose, one of the greatest achievers in baseball history, is not yet in Cooperstown? The answer is simple, he broke the rules. Now, everything about Rose has the stench of cheating …. and I was a fan of his. Bonds, McGwire, and litany of athletes who cheated are denied the joy of having their name raised against the greatest in their sport. Brady may have had some success, but now the whole world knows how the Patriots (filming opponents illegally) and Brady (tampering with the equipment prior to who knows how many important games) have been outed as perhaps less successful than everyone thought if they had NOT been caught cheating. Doubtless there is more cheating in sports than has been revealed on this PFT site. Cards hacking into Astro’s SABRE system… but how does somebody up above justify that hacking ranks as a “9-out-of-1o” while Deflate-gate ranks as only a 1. Pure delusional, self-justification, and its all BS. The whole world, except for Patriots fans, all caught in their dream-world about how great you think your team is, knows you’ve been brought down a peg or two. If not, WHY did the NFL suspend Brady 4 games, and punish the team, plus fine them. Get with the reality of what’s just happened, Pats fans …. you’ve been outed.

  53. ravens2xworldchamps says:
    Jun 18, 2015 6:51 PM
    The whole patriots organization is filled with a culture of cheating.

    ———
    And yet other than taping from the wrong position on the field in the 1st quarter of the 1st game of the 1st season it became illegal to do so, you can’t name a single proven example of cheating. But go ahead and try.

  54. The tarnished boy.

    limakey says:
    Jun 18, 2015 8:32 PM
    Flash, No matter how you look it, JM took the balls without permission, that is a rule violation. He said he used a urinal where there was no urinal. He has given varying accounts. And he was involved in another incident in 2004. He has zero credibility.

    Yet the Pathetics sheeple run lock step with text calms made blaming Ref’s for over inflation one game.

  55. flash1287 says:Jun 18, 2015 8:29 PM

    u4iadman says:
    Jun 18, 2015 8:12 PM
    And yet, his rep is actually tainted forever. Did he even see the ESPN poll where 54% of Americans know Brady cheated?!!

    Sorry, truth hurts.

    ——————-
    Yeah that was a poll of 500 people, hardly representative of “America
    ————————————————————–
    @ flash1287

    Ever heard of a mathmatical calculation called “statistics”? Well, the statistical accuracy of a poll of 500 people in a population of 300,000,000 has a margin of error of 3% (+ or -). The recommended sample size for a 99.9% accuracy to a given question is 1068. So, let’s assume worst case…51% agree Brady cheated. Given that, how can ANYONE state Brady’s reputation hasnt been tarnished? Because clearly it has!

  56. ravens2xworldchamps says:
    Jun 18, 2015 6:51 PM
    The whole patriots organization is filled with a culture of cheating.
    *********************
    If they did not cheat, how is that possible?

  57. limakey says:
    Jun 18, 2015 8:32 PM
    Flash, No matter how you look it, JM took the balls without permission, that is a rule violation. He said he used a urinal where there was no urinal. He has given varying accounts. And he was involved in another incident in 2004. He has zero credibility.
    ************************************
    who cares if he took the balls – he walked right by several NFL people.

    Keep in mind, he might be a low key guy with only have a high school education – I bet he was very nervous and intimidated by a bunch lawyers from NYC in dark suits

  58. u4iadman says:
    Jun 18, 2015 8:12 PM
    And yet, his rep is actually tainted forever. Did he even see the ESPN poll where 54% of Americans know Brady cheated?!!

    Sorry, truth hurts.
    ********************************
    no surprise – and 100% of those 54% know nothing about Spygate and haven’t read the Wells report

  59. After the joke of an appeal is heard and Roger Dodger denies it to justify the Wells hatchet job that cost 5 million Brady gooes to court and he plays opening night.

    Suggs will lose to Tom in the playoffs this year again.

    But hey Terrell Suggs way to speak the truth!!!

  60. patstipoftheiceberg says:
    Jun 18, 2015 8:03 PM
    It’s not a court criminal law proceeding

    It’s the rule of lowest common standard to find probable cause of wrong doing…….they, the wells report proved it.

    The science is relevant but not necessary…….they got all the proof they needed
    ————————
    The only part of this that matters is the science. The balls weren’t deflated as science has proved. Nothing else matters, if the balls weren’t deflated there is no crime.
    You frauds crying cheating were just grasping at anything to justify getting taken to the wood shed…..again by the Patriots. You need to let it go and hunt for a new fairy tale to believe in, this has been put to bed by science.

  61. abninf says:
    Jun 18, 2015 6:41 PM
    Yes it is tarnished. The guy was called The Deflator because he was fat? COME ON MAN

    —–

    You do realize that text of himself calling himself that was in March (or May, I can’t remember which one)? As in, like, exactly when there’s nothing football related going on? Specifically, he’s not handling any Patriot footballs, since, you know, there’s no football happening?

    But I guess context and timing doesn’t actually mean anything, right? Just look at that word! He must be cheating!

  62. Suggs is straight up. He’s been a memeber of 2 teams that have come into Foxboro and laid the wood to them in January. No one else can say that. NE has beat Bal 7 of 10 times since he came into the league but it’s been some bitter, tough battles.

    Terrell knows the path to SB glory goes thru Gillette Stadium. I’m hoping for another epic classic when my Pats face them again in Jan. ’16.

    Worthy opponents.

  63. Brady got caught cheating. Just serve the suspension and then get back to playing. Stop crying and denying.

  64. u4iadman says:
    Jun 18, 2015 8:12 PM

    And yet, his rep is actually tainted forever. Did he even see the ESPN poll where 54% of Americans know Brady cheated?!!

    Sorry, truth hurts.
    =====================================
    Ironic, the network that started the Big Lie with a completely fabricated report is the one that you’re relying on for a poll. All that poll proves is that there are a lot of jealous gullible NFL fans out there.

    Sorry, truth hurts.

  65. From Sally Jenkins a well respected writer from the Washington Post.

    All you need is the first paragraph…

    Tom Brady is said to be seeking total exoneration, and it appears he’s entitled to it.

    This is the same ‘respected writer’ who still claims Lance Armstrong is innocent and he was man enough to confess (unlike Lady).

    LOL

    Great source.

    She apparently holds Tom and Lance in equal regard.

    As does over 70% of America according to the polls.

    Brady, Rodriguez, Armstrong, Bonds, Sosa.

  66. envybreedsidiocy : And YOUR team will still be regarded as cheaters by all the other NFL fans.

  67. I stopped reading after “Suggs says…”. Who cares what Suggs says? Does he represent the millions of football fans who believe that Brady cheated and lied to cover up his cheating? Hardly.

  68. Based on their past, I am actually shocked by this response. But also based on their past, the fact that Suggs would say this shows that its really not a big deal.

  69. Back with the fumble stats and filming walk through junk again…y’all keep saying proof and cheating, I don’t those words mean what you think they mean.

  70. The NE Cheaters are the scum of the NFL, and all their superbowl trophies are covered in mud. If they had a conscious, they would be embarrassed?
    And the sad part is they can’t understand why the other 31 teams hate their guts.

    If you doubt my words, look at their reaction to the eligible receiver ruse, that they were told is illegal. “But we only used it once.”

    Once again, their feeble response is” If you don’t have video of us doing it, then it didn’t happen. But anyone with a lick of sense, will understand that only their ball were underinflated. Just to show their mentality, or lack there of.

  71. Goodell can’t tarnish anyone’s legacy, his own is so badly tarnished. It doesn’t keep him from trying.

  72. Brady’s reputation as well as the Patri*ts reputation was already badly tarnished by their own actions.

    Nobody made them do the things they have done.

    The Patri*ts have earned the reputation they have now.

    True or not, a history of scandal and cheating will always follow this team.

  73. …Brady had nothing but praise for Suggs when asked about him in January, and now Suggs is returning the favor. These two guys who have battled so many times on the field have formed mutual respect over the course of all those battles.

    Those two seem to have buried the hatchet off-the-field over the last year. They are both nearing the end of their careers, and Suggs certainly knows that in the Ravens games against the Pats the Ravens defense has been facing the Greatest QB of All-Time, Tom Brady. And Suggs and his team have to be proud of the fact that they have gotten the better of the Pats a couple of times in very big games.

    Good to see two old war horses bury the hatchet, at least off-the-field.

  74. Now with sidewalk chemists and Suggs clearing way for Brady ,he and Pats have nothing to worry about. Orginazition given a pass on Spygate and now Roger can easily drop Brady’s four game suspension.

  75. I am looking at the CBA – can you tell me which page says that players are required to hand over their personal cell phones to the league?

    Somewhere it talks about failing to cooperate but can you blame Tom for not handing over his cell? I can only imagine the pics and vids of Giselle on there. The nfl is just mad they could not get their hands on those. Maybe try the Cloud.

  76. Well as of right now he is guilty and has been handed a punishment, so Pats fans stop saying he’s innocent. Thats as believable as saying Aaron Hernandez is innocent- there was an investigation and millions spent to find out facts, which concluded he is guilty. As for his legacy, everyone has their own opinion- why would the GOAT need to cheat? How much did this help him? Well im going to wait til the end of this yr. If his cold weather stats plummet this yr and his team goes back to fumbling at a normal rate- then i think this has a major affect on his legacy. If his teams fumble ratio was cut in half due to deflated balls then how many more loses do they have since ’07? how many less playoff appearances or home field advantage in the playoffs? That affects his legacy in a HUGE way. Now if his cold weather stats remain the same and fumbles remain the same- then ill eat my words and say the cheating didnt help much. Ofcourse ill think less of him, but i wont think less of his talent.

  77. Q: What are all the haters going to do when next year the Patriot fumble data is not that different?

    A: Ignore it.

  78. And to all Pats fans……..STOP DEFLECTING! “well well well the NFL handled this the wrong way”. Maybe they did, but thats not the issue here, thats separate. Right now the issue is the patriots cheating. No matter how the NFL handled it, there are still txts from ball boy, brady refusing to show phone, brady contacting the equipment guy 6 times after the game, the incredible drop in fumbles, the ball boys txting about going to ESPN about brady (seems wierd to go to them just b/c he likes his balls a certain way within the rules). But he was found guilty, as of now he is guilty so cry to your moms that he’s innocent. But in the eyes of the NFL, he is 100% guilty right now.

  79. The sting is not raised as an issue to absolve the Patriots of guilt, rather it is noted to identify the state of mind of the prosecution from the start of the investigation. The NFL went into this believing in the Patriots guilt, not with an open mind. As such, they misread the facts when they saw that the Patriots balls were below 12.5 psi at halftime. After that, everything they did reflected their preset bias and to cover for their own missteps. They not only pursued the Patriots (not facts) they sought their own vindication.

    They stopped measuring the Colts balls that were also below 12.5 psi. They looked not for facts, but for support of their accepted theory. They leaked lies to get public opinion on their side and to put pressure on the Patriots. They invested the NFL’s reputation and multi-millions into proving the Patriots guilt and every time the facts said they were innocent they disregarded those facts.

    All that lead to Framegate which is supported by virtually all scientific and independent testing and reviews. Now, the NFL is left with what most prosecutors do when they have a weak case. They don’t drop it, they overcharge trying to force the target of the investigation to cop a pleas to take the prosectuion off the hook but Brady is not coping a plea,

  80. “u4iadman says:
    Jun 18, 2015 8:12 PM
    And yet, his rep is actually tainted forever. Did he even see the ESPN poll where 54% of Americans know Brady cheated?!!

    Sorry, truth hurts.”

    Nearly 8 in 10 Americans believe in angels.

    40% of Americans who believe humans lived alongside dinosaurs.

    Americans, by and large, believe a lot of crazy stuff.

  81. patstipoftheiceberg says:
    Jun 18, 2015 9:01 PM
    Matters not if its a sting. You don’t tell the multi time bank robbers you’re waiting for them in the bank vault

    Such sad ways of thinking and protection of cheating

    ———————-

    The NFL has talked to everyone about the integrity of the game. To NOT tell the Pats there was a complaint before the game and then allowing supposedly under inflated footballs to be used in the AFCCG as part of a sting operation directly effects the integrity of the game that the league is so desperately trying to defend. As a matter of fact, it’s worse. So yeah. If it mattered that much, then you tell the Pats beforehand.

  82. Brady ordered the balls deflated. When the scandal broke, he called the ball guy a hundred times to make sure he wouldn’t snitch. When the NFL asked for Brady’s phone, he refused to hand it over. Nothing is going to change these facts. And if any Patriots’ fans are reading this, here are the **** for your trophies and rings.

  83. Suggs appears to be a non-conformist. When everybody else is heaping glory on Brady, he leads with the different rules. When everybody is dumping on Brady, he switches.

    We all know people like this. There are worse things.

    At least he isn’t a cheater.

  84. Harbaugh started this? Are you kidding? Completely delusional. Truth must really hurt.

  85. TebowedOutOfThePostSeasonAndNeverToReturn says:
    Jun 19, 2015 8:30 AM
    Brady ordered the balls deflated. When the scandal broke, he called the ball guy a hundred times to make sure he wouldn’t snitch. When the NFL asked for Brady’s phone, he refused to hand it over. Nothing is going to change these facts. And if any Patriots’ fans are reading this, here are the **** for your trophies and rings.

    Wrong, you must be still dreaming…go back to bed jealous hater.

  86. swagger52 says:
    Jun 19, 2015 8:33 AM
    Suggs appears to be a non-conformist. When everybody else is heaping glory on Brady, he leads with the different rules. When everybody is dumping on Brady, he switches.

    We all know people like this. There are worse things.

    At least he isn’t a cheater.

    If Goodell doesn’t reduce the suspension to 0 games, the courts will.

    Where’s the proof that Brady cheated? I’m waiting……

  87. swagger52 says:
    Jun 19, 2015 8:21 AM
    Suggs is just commenting on the media. Yes Brady cheated, but the media is a circus.

    Yeah, you have nothing!!

    One of the best players on the team you root for and perceived Brady hater (Suggs) stands up for Brady and tells it like it is. It is an over blown story created by false leakes and you don’t have a way to spin it.

  88. We know Tom Brady wanted balls deflated OR inflated to the PROPER PSI because the NFL officials couldn’t be relied upon to get it consistently right. That’s the takeaway from the “incriminating” texts. Is that tampering or illegal? Perhaps in the technical sense of the words but he did nothing outside the spirit of the rules. It’s in the report. I’m not convinced Roger even read it.

  89. Suggs ought to just not talk too much about right and wrong and his perception of justice before somebody points out that he threw bleach on anther person, Character guy.

  90. TebowedOutOfThePostSeasonAndNeverToReturn says:
    Jun 19, 2015 8:30 AM
    Brady ordered the balls deflated. When the scandal broke, he called the ball guy a hundred times to make sure he wouldn’t snitch. When the NFL asked for Brady’s phone, he refused to hand it over. Nothing is going to change these facts

    ———————————————————————–
    So it’s now a fact that Brady called Jastremski a hundred times? I counted 5 or 6 calls totaling about 25 minutes.

    Guess we read different reports.

  91. You Pat’s fans are so dense ! This has very little to do with the actual deflation,period !! It is the total lack of cooperation on Brady’s part.He refused to turn over text/emails and for that alone he can be punished.In the collective bargaining the union accepted this so now they and the players must live by it .

  92. TebowedOutOfThePostSeasonAndNeverToReturn says:
    Jun 19, 2015 8:30 AM

    Brady ordered the balls deflated. When the scandal broke, he called the ball guy a hundred times to make sure he wouldn’t snitch. When the NFL asked for Brady’s phone, he refused to hand it over. Nothing is going to change these facts. And if any Patriots’ fans are reading this, here are the **** for your trophies and rings.
    “““““““““““““““““““““`
    Just looked in the NFL Guide and there are no asterisks by any of the Patriot SB Trophies.
    Talk about having no FACTS…

  93. of course brady cheated,

    if you ignore the science
    ignore the fact that the NFL started with a predetermined conclusion
    if you make several assumptions on why a guy called himself the deflator
    if you run with a fumble story but ignore how easily it was proven to be false on every level
    if you rely on a tweet that states the bob kraft is related to the kraft foundation which funds aei and ignore the following tweet retracting the story as a mistake
    and then rely on the high intellect and well studied info of the average fan who is desperate to see brady go down as their team has just spent the last 15 years being the patriots JV practice squad you must come up with one conclusion and one conclusion only, which is the patriots and brady are clear cheaters

    I think that should settles the debate and no need for pats supporters to debate hard proven evidence of cheating

  94. You Pat’s fans are so dense ! This has very little to do with the actual deflation,period !! It is the total lack of cooperation on Brady’s part.He refused to turn over text/emails and for that alone he can be punished.In the collective bargaining the union accepted this so now they and the players must live by it

    ———————————————————

    there is no need for brady to cooperate since there was no evidence against him

    there was no need for brady to hand over his phone as they had the phone of everyone he might have texted

    there was no reason to hand over his phone when the NFL was clearly out to get him irrelevant of evidence

    there was no need for him to hand over his personal phone when the NFL was leaking tons of information to the media which included more false stories then accurate ones, and the nfl was determined not to correct any of these leaked misinformation

    and if this was about not cooperating then how did they go from the last 2 fines of non cooperation which were a 20 and a 50 thousand dollar fine, to a 4 game suspension, 1 million dollar fine, lost of a first and 5th round pick

    I would bet anything that you were calling them cheaters a month ago based on the evidence and now that the evidence is proven to not exist you are now claiming its only about not cooperating

  95. marianfl24 says:
    Jun 19, 2015 9:45 AM
    You Pat’s fans are so dense ! This has very little to do with the actual deflation,period !! It is the total lack of cooperation on Brady’s part.He refused to turn over text/emails and for that alone he can be punished.In the collective bargaining the union accepted this so now they and the players must live by it

    ———————————————————————-
    If you want to go with a punishment that fits the ‘crime’ of not turning in your personal cell phone, gotta be 5ok max (precedent set by Favre situation). Suspended at all for not turning in his cell phone is unreasonable.

    If you want to make it about the phone, 50k.

    If you want to make it about deflating footballs, prove in light of all of the scientific reproducible evidence that any infraction occurred.

  96. marianfl24 says:
    Jun 19, 2015 9:45 AM
    You Pat’s fans are so dense ! This has very little to do with the actual deflation,period !! It is the total lack of cooperation on Brady’s part.He refused to turn over text/emails and for that alone he can be punished.In the collective bargaining the union accepted this so now they and the players must live by it .

    Really!! “His total lack of cooperation” Wells himself said Brady sat and answered every question for almost 6 hours. The only thing he didn’t do was give them his Personal cell phone.

    How do you know Brady was advised by his agent or the players association not do do that because it would set a bad precedent?

    Answer- you don’t know.

    But that deserves a 4 game suspension and a fine over a million dollars?

  97. people who actually believe in “deflategate”

    grown men who wear player Jerseys, refer to their team as “us”, and think 1 PSI prevents the team they root for from winning the superbowl

    beat writers for the jets and colts who think belichick is the devil because he won’t give them easy front page material to write about

    ESPN who caters to the people above so they can continue to watch and give them ratings.

  98. @marianfl24

    Yes, players can be disciplined for a lack of cooperation with an investigation. But, does the penalty imposed on Brady fit the crime?

    Brett Favre was fined $50,000 for not turning over his cell phone during an investigation into reports that he had send lewd pictures to a female team employee. The San Diego charges were fined $25,000 when their sideline employees refused to turn over their cell phones when the team was investigated for using towels laced with Stickum.

    Doesn’t the penalty here (a four game suspension and the loss of nearly $2,000,000 in earnings) seems excessive based on past penalties?

  99. You guys really aren’t falling for this crap from Suggs are you?

    #notbuyingit
    #gagorder
    #harbaugh
    #ICantTalkAboutDeflategate
    #BradyLawsuitIsComingUhOh

  100. This is the same Suggs that ran by the Pats locker room yelling that they were “arrogant cheating f–s” and now he’s saying this?

    #DontBeGullible
    #harbaughGagOrder

  101. tigerlilac says:
    Jun 18, 2015 7:46 PM
    People seem to forget that the Ravens winning ways were built on a Belichick foundation that guys like Ozzie Newsome readily acknowledge.
    =========================================

    You do realize the Ravens won a Super Bowl before the Patriots ever did right?

    You do realize that the Patriots took Scott Pioli from the Ravens in the late 90’s right?

  102. I can’t blame Harbaugh for ordering Suggs and the rest of his team not to pile on the Patriots and Brady.

    Their hands are FILTHY in this whole mess… and it will all come out in the lawsuit if they are not careful. 🙂

    As Romey would say on his show…UH OH! 🙂

  103. “But when we analyzed the data provided in the Wells report, we found that the Patriots balls declined by about the expected amount, while the Colts balls declined by less. In fact, the pressure of the Colts balls was statistically significantly higher than expected. Contrary to the report, the significant difference between the changes in pressure of the two teams’ balls was not because the pressure of the Patriots balls was too low, but because that of the Colts balls was too high.

    How could this be? The report’s own findings suggest an explanation: At halftime, N.F.L. officials measured the pressure of “only a sample” of the Colts balls (four out of 12) before they ran out of time; the second half of the game was about to begin. This implies that the Colts balls sat in the warm room where they were to be measured — and thus increased in pressure — for almost the entirety of halftime before being measured.

    All of the 11 available Patriots balls, by contrast, were measured at halftime, which suggests that they were measured earlier, when they were colder — and thus lower in pressure. Although this explanation contradicts the Wells report’s conclusions, it fits all the evidence.

    There are other factors discussed in our study that undermine support for the Wells report’s conclusions. For example, there is considerable uncertainty concerning the actual pressure of the footballs. The N.F.L. official who checked the pressure before the game used some combination of two pressure gauges to measure the Patriots and Colts balls, but it is not known which particular combination.

    One of the gauges, as the report notes, records pressures that are higher than the other. If the official used that gauge to measure the Patriots balls (but not the Colts balls) pregame, then those balls may well have started out with too little air, which could explain a later appearance of intentional deflation. The report, however, does not consider that possibility.

    Our recommendation? When the N.F.L. hears Mr. Brady’s appeal of his suspension later this month, it should proceed with the knowledge that the Wells report is unreliable.”

    UNRELIABLE – THATS WHAT YOU’RE BASING YOUR OPINIONS ON HATERS. UNRELIABLE INFORMATION.

  104. “The fact that the average pressure of the Colts balls was significantly above the prediction of the Ideal Gas Law, while that of the Patriots balls was not, is inconsistent with the findings of the Wells report. Our conclusion that the warming of the balls during halftime is the key factor overlooked in the Wells report is supported by the observation that the readings of the intercepted Patriots football, measured separately from the other Patriots balls, came in almost precisely at the prediction of the law. Under the hypothesis asserted by the Well report, the odds of this Patriots ball matching the Ideal Gas Law prediction were between 1 out of 3 and 1 out of 300. It is therefore unlikely that the Patriots deflated the footballs.”

    FACTS: those pesky little things that get in the way of Haters insanity.
    Believe what you wanna believe out there.

  105. For the sake of argument, let’s say that the Wells Report got it exactly right when it concluded that “it is more probable than not that Jim McNally (the Officials Locker Room attendant for the Patriots) and John Jastremski (an equipment assistant for the Patriots) participated in a deliberate effort to release air from Patriots game balls after the balls were examined by the referee,” and also got it right when it concluded that “it is more probable than not that Tom Brady (the quarterback for the Patriots) was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities of McNally and Jastremski involving the release of air from Patriots game balls.”

    Here’s my question. What rule has Brady violated? Clearly, tampering with footballs would be a violation of the rules, but where is the rule that says it’s a violation of the rules to be generally aware of a violation of the rules? (And if being generally aware of a violation is a violation, would being generally aware of a person being generally aware of a violation also be a violation?)

    The NFL spent a reported $5,000,000 for the Wells report and it can’t even identify any rule violation by Brady!

  106. Ozzie Newsome credits Belichick and his model / methods for laying the foundation of the Ravens success. Just watch the 30 for 30 re the Browns in 95′.

    Ozzie couldn’t have been any more clear on it.

  107. If Brady gets off based on a technicality then more power to him for embarrassing Goodell. If that happens then Goodell either deliberately executed a sham investigation to protect Kraft or he’s so incredibly incompetent that he failed to bust Brady with the mountain of evidence that points to guilty. Goodell has to go, he’s allowed one team to constantly jeopardize the integrity of the entire league for too long. Kraft also should go, he vouched for Goodell, adds no value to the NFL and in fact is causing rapid depreciation. Maybe move the Pats to LA under new ownership, all I know is one organization is the issue and must be dealt with.

  108. whitetrash69 says:
    Jun 19, 2015 11:46 AM
    If Brady gets off based on a technicality then more power to him for embarrassing Goodell. If that happens then Goodell either deliberately executed a sham investigation to protect Kraft or he’s so incredibly incompetent that he failed to bust Brady with the mountain of evidence that points to guilty.

    ———————————————————————-
    I guess you can say that a law of physics proving that the PSI levels were in spec for a starting inflation of approximately 12.5 PSI is a technicality. It just happens to be a technicality that proves nothing sinister happened at all so the rest of your mountain of evidence means….nothing sinister happened at all.

  109. whitetrash69 says:
    Jun 19, 2015 11:46 AM
    If Brady gets off based on a technicality then more power to him for embarrassing Goodell. If that happens then Goodell either deliberately executed a sham investigation to protect Kraft or he’s so incredibly incompetent that he failed to bust Brady with the mountain of evidence that points to guilty. Goodell has to go, he’s allowed one team to constantly jeopardize the integrity of the entire league for too long. Kraft also should go, he vouched for Goodell, adds no value to the NFL and in fact is causing rapid depreciation. Maybe move the Pats to LA under new ownership, all I know is one organization is the issue and must be dealt with.

    Yeah one problem, there isn’t any evidence that “points to guilty”

  110. whitetrash69 says: Jun 19, 2015 11:46 AM

    If Brady gets off based on a technicality then more power to him for embarrassing Goodell. If that happens then Goodell either deliberately executed a sham investigation to protect Kraft or he’s so incredibly incompetent that he failed to bust Brady with the mountain of evidence that points to guilty. Goodell has to go, he’s allowed one team to constantly jeopardize the integrity of the entire league for too long. Kraft also should go, he vouched for Goodell, adds no value to the NFL and in fact is causing rapid depreciation. Maybe move the Pats to LA under new ownership, all I know is one organization is the issue and must be dealt with.


    Look at those tears! 🙂

    I wouldn’t even move your Steelers to LA I would just fold them if I was commissioner. They and only they are 100% to blame for PEDs in the NFL and clearly they’ve proven when forced to play at their true talent level without cheating… even Tim Tebow destroys them. They have 0 legit titles and 6 fraudulent ones. So what’s the point of that franchise even existing?

    I mean let’s be serious now. Enough is enough. Get them out of the NFL NOW.

  111. tigerlilac says:
    The Ravens organization was built by Belichick in Cleveland. Art Modell destroyed that franchise with the move to Baltimore but philosophies Belichick implemented stayed with the front office staff and coaches that made the move. That’s not my opinion, that is from those individuals speaking on the record.
    ========================================

    Interesting. Yet the Patriots can’t build good defenses on the level of the Ravens

  112. I said IF, there’s no guarantee a judge would even take this case if Brady tries to go that route. Deflategate is just a part of a long pattern of behavior of the Patriots under Kraft’s ownership. Kraft has been exposed for the unethical person he is… He not only retained but promoted a coach after being caught cheating, his teams are constantly involved in these situations, he vouched for Goodell to be hired, vouched for a murderer claiming he believed his innocence, left his wife on her death bed to run off with a girl that could be his granddaughter, acts insulted that his organization would be accused of cheating, and then went back on his word about ending the rhetoric by pumping propaganda. The proof is in the pudding and that’s only the public knows. The culture of cheating of the Pats has no place in the NFL.

  113. ravensbmore52 says:
    Jun 19, 2015 12:39 PM
    …..

    Interesting. Yet the Patriots can’t build good defenses on the level of the Ravens

    Interesting. Yet the Ravens cannot win Super Bowls as often as the Patriots.

  114. whywerule says:
    Jun 19, 2015 1:03 PM

    Interesting. Yet the Ravens cannot win Super Bowls as often as the Patriots.

    =========================================

    Interesting. Yet the Ravens don’t have to cheat to win their Super Bowls.

  115. Bills fans do know that saying the pats are cheaters doesn’t make your pathetic organization any better, right?

    They think that if they can make up enough stuff and call it “fact” that it will change the past and the wide right will have been right in.

    Sorry Bill’s fans, your team is terrible

  116. ravensbmore52 says:
    Jun 19, 2015 1:25 PM

    Interesting. Yet the Ravens don’t have to cheat to win their Super Bowls.

    ———————————————————-

    Buncha PED abusers. That truly is competetive advantage.

    Cheating!!!

    Not to mention the Ravens are neck and neck with the Cowboys in having convicts on the team.

  117. @whitetrash60whatever

    What “Mountain” of evidence are you talking about?

    A few texts and a pregame trip to the John? I’ll agree it all looks suspicious, but cmon!!

    What a complete EPIC REACH on your part. Did you read anything I cut and pasted from the AEI report above?
    An unbiased, neutral outfit, with ZERO agenda that basically obliterated all of the “science” in the Wells report?

    What a joke. You just want to believe their guilty against a MOUNTAIN of evidence to the contrary!

    All you know is N O T H I N G

    Hate on, Bra

  118. All teams who won a Superbowl please step forw….NOT SO FAST, PATRIOTS!

  119. So those of you calling Brady a cheater really believe that he instructed someone to deflate footballs to BELOW 12.5, and do so AFTER the refs check the balls?

    Can you provide anything at all that specifically substantiates this?

    And please, don’t sway from this topic and come back with “the texts”, “the nickname”, “the bathroom stop”, etc. as you continue to avoid this very key point.

  120. Yes he ordered it, Every HOf has stated that he controls this. the ball guys didn’t go rogue.

    Just own it Brady accept it and America might forgive you.

    For a stuck up pretty boy, he’s failed at humility 10 times over.

  121. Rolf, the proof is every single ball the Pats submitted for inspection that had to be inflated to legal limits. Like the two balls submitted in the AFCCG. That is your proof that Brady likes under inflated balls.

  122. limakey,

    I think you missed the point. Even if it is true that Brady likes underinflated balls (not just balls inflated to the legal minimum), that doesn’t constitute proof that he instructed the ball attendants to release air from the balls after the officials have completed their inspection.

    If that’s the best you can do …

  123. ravensbmore52 says:
    Interesting. Yet the Patriots can’t build good defenses on the level of the Ravens…

    LOL, that Ravens defense was so good that NE came back TWICE from 14 points down…Yep, that’s a great defense in crab cake city!

  124. dumbaseinstien says:
    Jun 18, 2015 9:24 PM

    You know he shares a minority opinion just by the mear fact they felt the need to report it. If it was the prevailing opinion…then it wouldnt be news.

    ++++

    Actually, Mack, the support for pro-Brady comments on this site are typically between 3:1 to 5:1 (sometimes more).

    Anti-Brady comments usually are supported at a rate of about 3:5; I haven’t seen one in quite a while that has even achieved parity.

    Look and see for yourself if you don’t believe me, but pro-Brady opinions are the majority, by a large margin.

  125. What I don’t get is why Pats fans want to pore over the minutiae of thousands of conflicting stories and varying reports, to defend their guy, instead of enjoying summer and feeling good about a SB win. This will all get sorted out one way or another, and then we’ll watch as 32 teams try to reach the mountaintop again. Yes, right now the country thinks Tom Brady is someone who will do whatever it takes to gain an edge; usually people would respect that and call him a winner. But Pats fans are such blowhards that everyone else seems to delight in riling them up and tearing down their guy.

    Just leave it be and everyone else will lose interest, and things will go back to normal. Keep being classless loudmouths and bad winners (ie rubbing it in to Seahawks, Colts, Ravens fans) and people will keep at Brady, until the point where the collective consciousness sorta just remembers him as a cheater, and his legacy will actually be tarnished.

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