Brady eventually could serve his suspension in 2016

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The appeal hearing for Patriots quarterback Tom Brady’s four-game suspension begins this week. It presumably will end this week, either on Tuesday the 23rd or Thursday the 25th. But the conclusion of the hearing will represent the beginning of a broader effort to get a final decision on Brady’s status before Thursday, September 10, when the Patriots host the Steelers to start the season.

Article 46 of the labor deal requires a decision on Brady’s appeal to be issued “as soon as practicable” after the hearing ends. For Cowboys defensive end Greg Hardy, “as soon as practicable” has translated to a delay of 23 days and counting. For Brady, whose appeal is being handled personally by Commissioner Roger Goodell, it’s unclear how long it will be until a decision is issued.

If Goodell does anything other than wipe the suspension off the books entirely, Brady and the NFL Players Association presumably will fight the outcome in court, challenging the outcome of the arbitration under a very high legal standard that will make it difficult but not impossible for Brady to prevail.

But what if Goodell takes a month to issue a decision and the court in which the legal attack is pursueddoesn’t move quickly enough to resolve the case by September 10? At some point, Brady will have to decide whether to make a StarCaps-style effort to delay the implementation of the suspension until the case ends.

A successful effort to suspend the suspension could in theory result in Brady missing games not at the start of the season, but in November or December.

Once the hearing ends, Brady and the Patriots will have to plan for the possibility that a final ruling from court won’t come before September 10. Ultimately, there’s a chance Brady will be available for Week One and beyond, but eventually not available for a chunk of the season later in the calendar.

The Patriots may not prefer that outcome, which could prompt the team to advise Brady to miss the games while continuing the fight for exoneration. But Brady surely won’t be wired to stand down, putting the Patriots in the position of having to have Jimmy Garoppolo ready to go at any given moment once the season begins.

There’s also a chance Brady won’t miss any games this year. If the lower court rules against him and he persuades an appeals court to continue to prevent the NFL from suspending him until the case is final, Brady eventually would miss games not in 2015 but in 2016.

221 responses to “Brady eventually could serve his suspension in 2016

  1. From a brand management perspective – it could be catastrophic for him to be a part of dragging it out.

    I expect he’ll settle on 2 games, accept it and move on

  2. He won’t miss any games. It’s pretty much been proven there was no tampering with the footballs.

    Sorry CRYBABIES! You have nothing!

  3. WaWa – here goes the crybaby Pat’s fans – let’m loose!
    He wouldn’t cooperate and let them see relevant text messages, presume he’s guilty then and give him a longer suspension!

    #belicheat #tainted!!

  4. Apropos to this: The Science News just published an article entitled “Deflategate Favored Foul Play Over Science”, yet another torpedo to the credibility of the S.S. Wells Report.

  5. Ha!That would much up things for them trying to plan things out. That’s what he gets though.He must be a real slow reader not to talk to somebody-ugh.

  6. Wouldn’t it be cool if Brady actually acted like a professional and took his punishment for what has been metted out by the commissioner’s office.

  7. Just make sure the national news programs pick up the storyline. They say any press is good press, let’s find out. Bet non sports fans would be interested that this thing went on the whole year. We’ll see how Brady’s image holds up to that.

  8. Brady will be on the field because Roger and Bob worked out a pr plan behind the scenes. The nfl isn’t going to let anything be decided by fairness when it can let the bosses get what they want.

  9. It would be worth it just to see the haters cry if Brady plays all 16 gms and the Pats somehow repeat.

    I wonder if Goodell could put Brady on the exempt list out of spite. Or threaten to do so, if the NFLPA threatens to take it to court. Make him sit until the case is resolved. He seems to have broad discretion in that regerd.

  10. Prepare yourself for a full aquital.. Everything about the case on the League’s side smells..
    Bottom line is Brady didn’t do anything wrong other than not turning over his cell phone.(personal cell phone) Fine him 50K and end it!

    In the law perception is NOT reality.

  11. Brady also donated the 170K speaking fee to charity-Best Buddies. He gave the entire amount to Best Buddies!!!!
    Maybe the Clintons should try it?

  12. It’s obvious to all with a working brain that the balls were deflated by nature, not by anybody else. Science proves it. What a shame (or should I say sham) it came to this.

  13. Would there have ever been a greater athletic walk off than if Brady were to have the suspension delayed, go back to back for championships and never come back?

  14. Unbelievable. Get DUI away from the game and you can’t go near the team for a month. Manipulate the game to suit your needs, and they defer punishment.

    Good to see the NFL has its priorities in order.

  15. .
    Goodell made the media look like abject tools during this fiasco. The tide has started to turn and most have realized they’ve been had. Goodell will not have a friendly ally there.
    .

  16. We will know the decision quickly. He did cooperate, that is two games. That will never change. And he was not candid. He can’t change his story now. That is at least 1 game. And I can’t see the comissioner dismissing the Wells Report. I believe he serves all four games and drops it.

  17. There’s zero reason now for him to serve any suspension at all. The statistical “evidence” in the Wells report has been demonstrated to be inaccurate and unreliable at this point by multiple independent sources. If the balls weren’t actually deflated, there’s no crime. If there’s no crime, you don’t get to punish someone for that crime. The only thing between the now demonstrated reality that the balls most likely weren’t deflated and Brady being completely exonerated is Roger Goodell’s ego. That’s it. Everything else is window dressing.

  18. Honestly, I’m curious? Where are these * you people keep telling me about? I can’t find them anywhere. I’ve examined every Super Bowl trophy, all literature about their championship seasons, and I can’t find one *. Anywhere.

  19. Throw him and the cheatiots out of NFL. They can go play in Syria- nobody care if they cheat there- Cheating is not the American way- this team is an annual disgrace.

  20. As a Pats fan, I’m not getting my hopes up. I think the evidence shows Brady’s innocence. Or is at leased not good enough for ‘more probable than not’. But, the NFL, not understanding the science part of it, found the Pats guilty the night of the AFCC gm. Then they got their hired gun(Wells), who’s proven to be biased, to back up the verdict. Then the hired gun got his biased hired gun(Exponent), to twist the facts. The result was the most biased, unprofessional peice of trash I’ve ever seen. It’s been blown up by everyone outside of haterville. Problem is, Goodell’s probably too stubborn to cave, even while the whole story falls apart. He would look even more stupid than he already does.

    As far as taking it to court goes, I don’t see the point. The NFLPA bargained those rights away. They gave Goodel the power. He can do whatever he wants, excessive or stupid as it may seem. Judges don’t want to get involved in Union stuff anyway. They’d probably just throw it back to Goodell.

    The Pats would probably be better off having the suspension known, when they can plan for it. It’ll probably only cost them 1 gm in the big picture. The best hope is Goodell wants to look reasonable and reduces it to 2. Any further fight would probably be fruitless.

  21. “The balls were deflated by nature”
    Am I the only non-delusional Pats fan?
    They were deflated by the deflator in the only bathroom @ Foxboro that doesn’t have a video camera.
    The deflator also said he used the urinal in that bathroom (even though there is no urinal.)
    After the game, TB calls The assist equipment Mgr 6 times. Never talked to him before, never again.
    Love the Pats, but if I’m not an idiot.
    TB is a great player, but not a perfect person.
    Just take the 4 and let it go. Innocent people cooperate.

  22. Kraft didn’t give much endorsement for Brady this week…….

    “We’re part of a system and we’lol follow be rules. And it’s our hope in the opening game here, that we’ll have the privledge of having everyone on field that deserves to be starting that game. I know that’s what our fans want and I want

    He’s with the 31 Pats soakers

  23. Mike, you are a lawyer and you allegedly have read the Wells report. What is your serious thought that this holds up? The fight is getting it to court. If it gets there, Brady wins.

    It being refused to be heard happens quickly and that is the only way any of this holds up.

  24. Every envious hater hopes he misses all 4 because that’s the only way their sucky team stands any chance of winning.

    Bottom line.

    TOMMY > your qb

    THE PATS > your team

  25. “The balls were deflated by nature”
    Am I the only non-delusional Pats fan?
    They were deflated by the deflator in the only bathroom @ Foxboro that doesn’t have a video camera.
    The deflator also said he used the urinal in that bathroom (even though there is no urinal.)
    After the game, TB calls The assist equipment Mgr 6 times. Never talked to him before, never again.
    Love the Pats, but if I’m not an idiot.
    TB is a great player, but not a perfect person.
    Just take the 4 and let it go. Innocent people cooperate.
    ——–
    Can’t tell if you’re joking or not, but every point you made is wrong

  26. Tee hee 🙂

    So adorable watching these fans of inferior teams discuss Tom Brady the indisputable greatest quarterback that ever graced an NFL football field. 🙂

    It’s like a chihuahua discussing a Rottweiler!

    🙂

    #weownu
    #WeAreBetterThanYouAtEverything
    #UrTeamIsNothingAndUWillRememberThat
    #UrTeamIsTrash
    #kisstherings

  27. tedmurph says:
    Jun 20, 2015 5:20 PM
    It would be worth it just to see the haters cry if Brady plays all 16 gms and the Pats somehow repeat.

    I wonder if Goodell could put Brady on the exempt list out of spite. Or threaten to do so, if the NFLPA threatens to take it to court. Make him sit until the case is resolved. He seems to have broad discretion in that regerd.

    ******************************************************************************************************************

    With that secondary I’d be surprised if the *P*A*T*S* are capable of repeating as AFC East Champs without Brady for 4 games!!

    P*A*T*S* fans are in for a rude awakening, every team in the division has gotten much much better besides the P*A*T*S*!

    Lost Revis, Browner, Arrington, Dennard, Wilfork, Vereen, Ridley etc…..

    But I’m sure Ole Sweatshirt can coach up Logan Ryan and Bradley Fletcher to produce Revis and Browner type of results right??? LMAO……..

    Meanwhile I don’t know if you’s have paid attention to the fact that the AFC EAST has basically replaced the NFC West as the the best defensive Conference in the NFL!!!

    And Yes P*A*T*S* Fan Boys your defense, IS the divisions WEAKEST LINK.

    GOOD BYE.

    And save the jealousy/hater comments, I’m a fan of

    BIG BLUE

    AKA

    G-MEN

    AKA

    P*A*T*S* KRYPTONITE!!!!!!

  28. limakey says:
    Jun 20, 2015 6:12 PM
    Thisgod, you are a very brave Pats fan.

    —-

    A Jets homer = a “brave Pats fan”?

    🙂

  29. The Patriots fans are riding those thumbs down buttons like the mechanical bull at Gilley’s bar.

  30. With that secondary I’d be surprised if the *P*A*T*S* are capable of repeating as AFC East Champs without Brady for 4 games!!

    —–

    The World Champions appreciate your concern but they will be just fine. 🙂

  31. Brady needs to man up and take his medicine. If he wanted no suspension, he should have cooperated with the investigation.

  32. Go ahead Brady, bring it to Court where the NFL can and will subpoena your phone and phone records. The NFL needs to call his bluff.

  33. I must say. Slapping Patriot Hater around on this board the last 4 months has been so much FUN!

    And the offseason isn’t over yet!! 🙂

  34. Brady will be exonerated.

    Even a feeble minded (name your turd-team) fanboy knows it was an NFL-execs(aka Jet’s fanboy)-screw-job.

    The haters can’t take it…

    LOL

  35. gr365 says:
    Jun 20, 2015 5:21 PM
    Prepare yourself for a full aquital.. Everything about the case on the League’s side smells..
    Bottom line is Brady didn’t do anything wrong other than not turning over his cell phone.(personal cell phone) Fine him 50K and end it!

    In the law perception is NOT reality.
    —————-
    You must be a Pats fan.

    You do realize that the appeal on Tuesday has NOTHING to do with the courts right? It is between the NFL and Brady (and through him the NFLPA). If you think the NFL is going to say whoops we screwed up and do away with the suspension you’re nuts.

    Should Brady take this to actual court, the argument will revolve around whether or not the NFL has the right to suspend him under these circumstances (ie CBA agreement violation, etc). Whether or not Brady/the Pats deflated footballs will have little to nothing to do with any potential court case.

    Sorry bro but the court of public opinion outside of the Boston area has already been adjourned and your boy is guilty as sin.

  36. I’ve got a problem with that and I’ll take exception with anyone who doesn’t. While it’s understandable that the NFLPA and Brady intend to exercise their rights to appeal, at what point does the integrity of the game suffer irreparable damage? I can hear the Patriots fans teeth grinding from all the way out here on the West coast. I was at one time, of the opinion that this matter was so insignificant that it didn’t warrant a seven figure investigation. What’s changed that is first of all TT himself not to mention bloviating Patriots fans. Only in America can you find people who’s adoration for something is so distorted, so completely perverse, that they’ll spite the very thing that once brought them joy, professional football, with a football, deflated or not, on a football field. Just another sign of the apocalypse.

  37. But the timeline curvature just happens to fall inline with the testing of the Colts balls. What other ‘buts’ and “what if’s” will we get subject to? Dream away.

  38. You know what would be funny?

    Is if the haters wore “*” shirts to Brady’s HOF induction.

    Haha, that would be funny right? Wait……

  39. 28-24 🙂

    Malcolm Butler ripping the hearts out of Patriot Hater Nation was a thing of beauty wasn’t it? 🙂

  40. bobbyd12 says:
    Jun 20, 2015 6:24 PM
    Go ahead Brady, bring it to Court where the NFL can and will subpoena your phone and phone records. The NFL needs to call his bluff.

    Try and keep up little guy, pretty much EVERY sports law attorney has said if it goes to court Brady wins “hands down”

  41. It will be fun to see his face after he sits out the first 4 weeks & realizes all the lawyers milking his pocket book accomplished nothing. And the Pats fans…oh my, all the posts about how Brady (the baby of the NFL) was railroaded. Going to be fun to watch ☺

  42. Pat homers… 4 games WAS reasonable considering the history of this tainted franchise.

    Stop your pathetic crying and man up. Live with it… you have no choice.

  43. Don’t look now STILLlolatpatshaters, Patriots fans have been hemorrhaging for at least that long. How long can they go? I see a mass exodus from the bandwagon that is Patriots nation in the not to distant future. TT will be 38 before he plays another down. Tic Toc

  44. Sorry bro but the court of public opinion outside of the Boston area has already been adjourned and your boy is guilty as sin.

    I’ll let you in on a little secret “bro” the opinion of people out NE DONT MATTER!!

    those people don’t buy there tickets, don’t buy there merchandise don’t watch them.

    In short! you don’t matter. You are just a nameless faceless person on the internet who thinks he speaks for the entire football watching world.

    In truth you just another jealous CRYBABY who’s team isn’t as good as NE and people like you need an excuse.

  45. I wonder what the World Champions are doing on this fine day today? 🙂

    Do you think the World Champions just watch and admire those 4 RADIANT BEAMING SHINY trophies? Or their very own GLEAMING SHINY LUMINOUS rings?

    I think they are doing both. I hope the team keeps them polished. That is very important you know.
    Discuss.

  46. Belicheat.

    ****

    Pretty much says it all.

    Since it’s pretty clear that there’s no moral compass with the Patriots, we need to be reminded of what’s above every.single.time.

    Belicheat, along with Brady, will be forever known as cheaters except for the chowderheads for whom they can do no wrong.

    They’re the ones who are wrong.

  47. Should Brady take this to actual court, the argument will revolve around whether or not the NFL has the right to suspend him under these circumstances (ie CBA agreement violation, etc). Whether or not Brady/the Pats deflated footballs will have little to nothing to do with any potential court case
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    WOW, a lot of people will be jumping from bridges if Brady takes this to court.

    If Brady takes this to court it will, in fact be about, the FACTS.

    Judges will not tolerate the antics of Goodell & Well$.

    US Courts are not subject to NFL Rules. The NFL, however, is subject to US Court Rulings.

  48. All these new reports are very amusing. They have only added variables to fit their intended results. Which is what many Pat fans have said of the Wells Report. And every one of these agencies do have an agenda. The Wells Report did the investigation, they have the texts, they have the lack of candor of JJ, TB, and JM. And this was never about just one game.

  49. 4 games for what the rule book says is punishable with a $25,000 fine. For him that’s $2M per game
    x 4 games…..they’re suspending him 4 games and essentially fining him $8M. And fining the team
    another $M and taking their 1st and 4th round picks…………..

    For a transgression IF guilty that is punishable by a $25,000 fine.

    What ?

  50. flash1287 says:
    Jun 20, 2015 6:34 PM

    I’ll let you in on a little secret “bro” the opinion of people out NE DONT MATTER!!

    those people don’t buy there tickets, don’t buy there merchandise don’t watch them.

    In short! you don’t matter. You are just a nameless faceless person on the internet who thinks he speaks for the entire football watching world.

    In truth you just another jealous CRYBABY who’s team isn’t as good as NE and people like you need an excuse.
    —–
    You are right-I don’t matter in the grand scheme of things. I do not have a “team”, I’m just more of a football fan in general. Who “matters” more is more of an existential argument which is beyond my pay grade, so does it really matter?

    I do however know the difference between “their” and “there” so if you wish to make an intelligent argument, perhaps you should go back to the drawing board

  51. STILLlolatpatshaters says:
    Jun 20, 2015 6:29 PM
    28-24 🙂

    Malcolm Butler ripping the hearts out of Patriot Hater Nation was a thing of beauty wasn’t it? 🙂
    ******************
    Not sure why you bring up the Superbowl score. SB had really nothing to do with deflategate.
    Mentioning it doesn’t make you appear very reasonable.
    I really don’t see any of the usual Seahawk posters posting anything.

  52. Pats fans forget about the commissioner’s exempt list. While the courts are deciding in thee NFL’s favor, Brady could very well be sitting out, then 4 more games when the suspension is withheld. He may miss a whole season or more.

  53. Not sure why you bring up the Superbowl score. SB had really nothing to do with deflategate.
    Mentioning it doesn’t make you appear very reasonable.
    I really don’t see any of the usual Seahawk posters posting anything
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    On the contrary, SB XLIX has EVERYTHING to do with Frame-Gate.

    Brady breaking (surpassing) NFL SB Passing Records with NFL Approved Rule 17 footballs under the Highest NFL scrutiny in NFL history is EXHIBIT B in the lawsuit against the NFL.

    EXHIBIT A is the AFCCG – (hint) 28-0

  54. Let me remind PFT that Troy Vincent, the guy who issued the preliminary finding of guilt in this case, said the NFL would make its decision in a couple of days. It took over four months for the NFL to report its findings and its penalty.

    At every stage, the NFL has slowed down the process, leaked inaccurate reports if not outright lies through the media, used procedural maneuvers to exploit the CBA, and kept details about its own actions under virtual seal while Goodell stonewalled the process and the truth.

  55. biggestsaintsfanever64 says:
    Jun 20, 2015 7:00 PM
    Pats fans forget about the commissioner’s exempt list. While the courts are deciding in thee NFL’s favor, Brady could very well be sitting out, then 4 more games when the suspension is withheld. He may miss a whole season or more.

    —-

    Only if the team requests him to go on that list. 🙂 That list is there to give a team some roster flexibility under unusual circumstances.

    The commissioner doesn’t unilaterally decide to put players there. Sorry! 🙂

  56. Roger Goodell loves to use the word integrity. It’s unclear to me that he knows what it means. But, he is about to have an excellent opportunity to demonstrate that he has some integrity. When multiple (actually) independent investigations are saying that your statistics are not only flawed, but involved doing something other than what you said you did (this is how scientists call you a “liar”), it is time to admit you made a mistake. Goodell and his cronies have unjustifiably smeared the legacy of one of the NFL’s greatest players. Goodell now has the opportunity to demonstrate his integrity by fully exonerating Brady for what are now obviously imagined crimes. I don’t expect him to do that because I don’t think he knows what integrity is.

  57. Pats fans forget about the commissioner’s exempt list. While the courts are deciding in thee NFL’s favor, Brady could very well be sitting out, then 4 more games when the suspension is withheld. He may miss a whole season or more.

    If you did this with Hardy and Peterson you should do it with Brady!

  58. I spoke with a former court reporter of over 25 years about this case today. He told me the American public’s lack of understanding of the law and civil procedure is astounding.

    We both agreed that Brady’s exoneration is a certainty absent the NFL getting a bag job in court. It happens, but not normally to guys of Brady’s stature.

  59. This all begins and ends with Brady. No one made him do this and no one made him lie about it. He made that choice. Can’t blame the NFL for the Pats lack of candor and for refusing to cooperate fully. However, I do agree with the Pats not letting Wells have another shot at JM. He is a walking diaster for TB. JJ was a stand still diaster but JM, he is the weak link. Which is why Brady denied knowing him

  60. That right Mr. Kraft . . . use your high dollar lawyers to avoid the punishment to your bottom line, while taking the working man $120 for each end zone seat.

  61. solo681 says:
    On the contrary, SB XLIX has EVERYTHING to do with Frame-Gate.

    Brady breaking (surpassing) NFL SB Passing Records with NFL Approved Rule 17 footballs under the Highest NFL scrutiny in NFL history is EXHIBIT B in the lawsuit against the NFL.

    EXHIBIT A is the AFCCG – (hint) 28-0
    *******************
    Nice taking my post completely out of context.
    NE Patriots fans are becoming the least reasonable fans out there. Can’t have a reasonable discussion with any of them it appears.
    Deflategate was just coming to the forefront of the news the week before the Superbowl.
    There was no “heightened” security around the game balls in the Superbowl, other than the normal Superbowl security.
    So your story is completely off.

  62. flash1287 says:
    Jun 20, 2015 6:28 PM
    bigblu73

    Eli Manning NYG “Kryptonite”

    ******************************************************************************************************************

    You’re absolutely right. Those 2 Superbowl MVP’s Eli has within the past 8 years is LETHAL!!!!

    NEW YORK FOOTBALL GIANTS
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    ’11

    MODEL OF CONSISTENCY AND CLASS

    NO SCANDALS

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    NO GREY AREA RULE NON-SENSE

  63. fanofsportsman says:
    Jun 20, 2015 5:08 PM

    WaWa – here goes the crybaby Pat’s fans – let’m loose!
    He wouldn’t cooperate and let them see relevant text messages, presume he’s guilty then and give him a longer suspension!

    ———

    Watch me cry.

    What relevant text messages? All messages to or from Brady and the other two ding dongs were already revealed from their text. What texts were relevant that they needed outside of those? They were just looking to go through all Brady’s personal texts to see if there was anything else related and it was easy for them to say he didn’t fully cooperate when he refused. Brady did cooperate, but wouldn’t go as far is to open up his personal life and set a bad precedent for the NFLPA. Gostkowski also refused to turn over his texts, but he isn’t being fined for not fully cooperating.

    These claims of lack of cooperation are McCarthyism.

  64. Regarding the exempt list… I forgot to mention that the player himself also has to agree to go on the list for his team to make the request.

    Goodell doesn’t get to decide on his own who goes there. Sorry Patriot Haters! 🙂

  65. @limakeys

    ” No one made him (Brady) do this and no one made him lie about it ”

    What specifically did he do and when specifically did he lie?

    Or are you just wasting your life away, gassing day after day on posts of another team, using initials like you’re somebody in the know. SMH.
    .

  66. He will play and Pats will dominate ..Buffalo get real..Jets please…Miami who …..Brady did nothing wrong Pats back to back!

  67. There was no “heightened” security around the game balls in the Superbowl, other than the normal Superbowl security.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Actually, you are taking FACTS and distorting them.
    WHY?

    You choose to BELIEVE your own imagination as opposed to factual evidence and observable occurrence.

  68. Ridiculous. They’re going to litigate this thing to death. Grow a pair, Roger. Brady is just making this worse and worse. If he had just admitted it from the beginning, he would have received a slap on the wrist and we would have just moved on. Now the punishment is deservedly much worse by forcing an investigation and doing a Lance Armstrong-style defense.

  69. openfieldtackle says:
    Jun 20, 2015 7:12 PM

    Pats fans forget about the commissioner’s exempt list. While the courts are deciding in thee NFL’s favor, Brady could very well be sitting out, then 4 more games when the suspension is withheld. He may miss a whole season or more.

    If you did this with Hardy and Peterson you should do it with Brady!

    —————–

    At least read about the exempt list before posting about it.

  70. The longer this drags on, the angrier fans outside of the delusional N.E. sink hole are going to get. And more and more signs like: TAINTED, and CHEATER are going to fill stadium after stadium whenever N.E. is on the road. That’s really not something that’s in the best interest of the NFL brand.

  71. Go ahead Brady, bring it to Court where the NFL can and will subpoena your phone and phone records. The NFL needs to call his bluff.
    —————-

    cracks me up how so many seem to think Brady and his legal team havent thought of this. You internet lawyer types obviously are smarter than the slug Brady hired ha ha

  72. It really just shows you how jealous SO many fans and GMs are of the Patriots..

    Goodell basically says “we’re just going to make believe our lead official and the Law of Physics didn’t prove that nothing happened to the footballs and suspend Brady anyways”

    … and the vast majority of fans have actually brainwashed themselves into thinking “yeah, that sounds logical to me!”

    Goodell-gate is taking place before your eyes and you haven’t even realized it yet – but Sally Jenkins at the Washington Post and the pot shots from AEI at Goodell are JUST the beginning

    Goodell is a commissioner out of control, unwilling to suspend wife beaters but then framing the greatest QB of all time… it’s really bizarre

    The final analysis will show that Goodell always acted in HIS personal self interest – not for the well being of the game.

  73. The biggest story about deflategate – the one nobody is talking about – is the absolute corruption of sports media. ESPN, the outfit who started this whole bonanza by first reporting and then giving full, 24-hour a day coverage of the bogus PSI data, has done nothing to correct their faulty reporting. They have also basically ignored all the emerging evidence that the Well report science was bogus. Aside from a short mention or two by Mike Reiss, the Patriots beat reporter, it’s been crickets from the “World Wide Leader.” The one meaningful thing they have done, of course, is to fire (and apparently muzzle) Bill Simmons for commenting negatively about Roger Goodell. This all goes back to the billion-dollar contracts between the NFL and ESPN. ESPN gets a privileged seat at the table…as long as they let themselves be guided a little bit by the NFL office. No one questions it, but it’s going on and is as obvious as can be.

  74. bobbyd12 says:
    Jun 20, 2015 6:24 PM

    Go ahead Brady, bring it to Court where the NFL can and will subpoena your phone and phone records. The NFL needs to call his bluff.

    ————–

    Why would he care? He will let them. That has nothing to do with why he refused before. If someone didn’t have the right to search your house, even though you didn’t do anything wrong, would you let them? If you would it would go against every lawyers advice ever.

  75. bigbenschancre says:
    Jun 20, 2015 7:27 PM

    That right Mr. Kraft . . . use your high dollar lawyers to avoid the punishment to your bottom line, while taking the working man $120 for each end zone seat.

    —————-

    The reason the end zone seats are $120+ is because people are willing to pay $120+. Since the goal of every company is to maximize profit I don’t think you can hold it against Kraft for charging what people will pay.

  76. nolasoxfan2012 says:
    Jun 20, 2015 8:10 PM

    The biggest story about deflategate – the one nobody is talking about – is the absolute corruption of sports media. ESPN, the outfit who started this whole bonanza by first reporting and then giving full, 24-hour a day coverage of the bogus PSI data, has done nothing to correct their faulty reporting. They have also basically ignored all the emerging evidence that the Well report science was bogus. Aside from a short mention or two by Mike Reiss, the Patriots beat reporter, it’s been crickets from the “World Wide Leader.” The one meaningful thing they have done, of course, is to fire (and apparently muzzle) Bill Simmons for commenting negatively about Roger Goodell. This all goes back to the billion-dollar contracts between the NFL and ESPN. ESPN gets a privileged seat at the table…as long as they let themselves be guided a little bit by the NFL office. No one questions it, but it’s going on and is as obvious as can be.

    ————

    That’s the best point ever.

  77. Tiger, your posts about the NFL dragging this out, that they said they would have an answer a few days after this blew up, really confuse me. Goodell did the Pats a solid by waiting and doing a full investigation. That allowed Tom to play in the super bowl. This was always an violation that was going to result in a suspension. Not saying you wouldn’t have won without him. But………….

  78. armchairqb says:
    Jun 20, 2015 5:34 PM

    Unbelievable. Get DUI away from the game and you can’t go near the team for a month. Manipulate the game to suit your needs, and they defer punishment.

    Good to see the NFL has its priorities in order.

    —————

    Are you actually saying drinking and driving is a lessor crime than deflating footballs? DUI is illegal and drunk drivers kill people! It’s not a sports rule.

  79. Most patriot fans are so delusional. If nature caused the ball fiasco, why was the ball boy fired?
    I’m curious as why an employer would terminate the innocent. If he’s so innocent why wouldn’t he sue?

    *crickets

  80. Nolasoxfan, You made a post about the corruption in sports journalist. And I absolutely agree. But sadly, it’s just not in sports, it is all across the board. Look at Brian Williams and other journalists who have been suspended or fired for their coverage of a story. What angers me is that they have sold out fairness and truth to compete with tabloids.

  81. “limakey says:
    Jun 20, 2015 8:20 PM
    Tiger, your posts about the NFL dragging this out, that they said they would have an answer a few days after this blew up, really confuse me. Goodell did the Pats a solid by waiting and doing a full investigation. That allowed Tom to play in the super bowl. This was always an violation that was going to result in a suspension. Not saying you wouldn’t have won without him. But………….”

    limakey, I would call the NFL’s actions and adherence to due process but you seem to think that due process is doing a citizen “a favor” when I thought it was about adhering to the rule of law.

    Aside form that perspective, your post actually exposed the true sentiments of the anti-Brady and anti-Patriots posters. It is figuratively killing you that the Patriots won the super bowl. It pains you that Brady came back from 10 points down in the 4th quarter and beat what we were told was the best defense in NFL history.

    You remind me of Goodell, who literally cowered off the podium after giving the Lombardi to Kraft and seeing the MVP trophy passed to Brady. You wanted the NFL to drive a stake through the heart of the franchise that beats the team you support over and over and over again because you know that as long as Belichick and Brady are leading the Patriots they will be a threat to win the super bowl.

  82. j0esixpack says:
    Jun 20, 2015 8:09 PM
    It really just shows you how jealous SO many fans and GMs are of the Patriots..

    Goodell basically says “we’re just going to make believe our lead official and the Law of Physics didn’t prove that nothing happened to the footballs and suspend Brady anyways”

    … and the vast majority of fans have actually brainwashed themselves into thinking “yeah, that sounds logical to me!”

    Goodell-gate is taking place before your eyes and you haven’t even realized it yet – but Sally Jenkins at the Washington Post and the pot shots from AEI at Goodell are JUST the beginning

    Goodell is a commissioner out of control, unwilling to suspend wife beaters but then framing the greatest QB of all time… it’s really bizarre

    The final analysis will show that Goodell always acted in HIS personal self interest – not for the well being of the game.

    —————————

    The only reason that Goodell is commissioner is because of his father. Thanks, Dad….

  83. bigblu73 says:
    Jun 20, 2015 7:27 PM
    flash1287 says:
    Jun 20, 2015 6:28 PM
    bigblu73

    Eli Manning NYG “Kryptonite”

    ******************************************************************************************************************

    You’re absolutely right. Those 2 Superbowl MVP’s Eli has within the past 8 years is LETHAL!!!!

    NEW YORK FOOTBALL GIANTS
    ’86
    ’90
    ’07
    ’11

    MODEL OF CONSISTENCY AND CLASS

    NO SCANDALS

    NO CHEATING

    NO GREY AREA RULE NON-SENSE
    ————–
    Just so I’m clear, was this written before or after you fell to the ground holding your right knee in agony? Or was it your left knee? Actually, do you even emember what knee it was?

    #phony
    #glasshouse

  84. seatownballers says:
    Jun 20, 2015 8:28 PM
    Most patriot fans are so delusional. If nature caused the ball fiasco, why was the ball boy fired?
    I’m curious as why an employer would terminate the innocent. If he’s so innocent why wouldn’t he sue?

    *crickets

    ————————————-
    If a tree falls in the woods and you’re not listening, it really does still make a sound.

    The ballboys talked about stealing team equipment in the published texts. Who knows what they talked about in the unpublished ones? There is a whole universe of possibilities out there for why the Patriots might fire them that don’t mean they deflated balls.

  85. FoozieGrooler says:
    Jun 20, 2015 8:38 PM
    Let him play.
    That will just open up that many more opportunities for opposing linebackers to end his career.

    ———————-
    Nice guy.

  86. Tiger, My point was that had the NFL did a snap judgement, based on the evidence they had, TB would have been suspended. The fact that the NFL realized this would have been a mistake to take action before a full investigation could be conducted. While not a Pats fan, I am an AFC fan and an AFC fan. I always root for AFC team in Superbowl, regardless who the team is.

  87. Most patriot fans are so delusional. If nature caused the ball fiasco, why was the ball boy fired?
    I’m curious as why an employer would terminate the innocent. If he’s so innocent why wouldn’t he sue?
    —————-

    another question that’s been answered numerous times already but…
    talking about stealing stuff? talking about messing with Brady’s balls, making them “balloons”…I also believe the league had something to do with it. They denied that but they have also denied concussions cause long term problems or seeing the Ray Rice video, they put out a lot of false info…But Brady is the liar here right?
    Funny, Kraft decides not to fight he’s obviously guilty…Brady is fighting it so…..You finish that one…

  88. seatownballers says: Most patriot fans are so delusional. If nature caused the ball fiasco, why was the ball boy fired?
    I’m curious as why an employer would terminate the innocent. If he’s so innocent why wouldn’t he sue?

    *crickets
    =================================

    Because the league insisted on it (they were suspended, not fired)… catch up. This is common knowledge.

    The Patriots confirmed this. Troy Vincent stated that the NFL has to give them the green light to lift the suspension

    It wouldn’t exactly be wise for the Patriots to refuse a mandate from a League office that is clearly out to get them – the false leaks from the NFL make that clear enough to anyone rational as well.

    I suspect those two WILL be suing the NFL – after all, the NY Times documented the types of activities they do and more in its 11/23/13 article “Eli Manning’s Footballs Months in the Making”

    Everything that article said about the Skiba Brothers football prep (including keeping the footballs with them at all times – including the restrooms presumably) were used as circumstantial evidence against the Patriots

    The NFL KNOWS that EVERY team employs guys like Jastremski and McNally just as the NY Times does – but they are knowingly twisting facts, ignoring the Laws of Physics as well as their own lead official all to come to a pre-determined conclusion.

    Any unbiased judge will affirm this, just as AEI and Sally Jenkins at the Washington Post did – making the haters all look like fools

  89. Joe, your post about JM and JJ are interesting. They have been suspended, but not fired. Where is the proof the NFL insisted on this? Robert Kraft only said it was for various reasons. But if the Pats truly believed that they were stealing, why not out right fire them?

  90. If that happens and he plays week 1 I am done with football. It’s so obvious to me that the patriots get all the breaks, get all the bounces, etc. it’s because Goodell and Kraft are best buddies.

  91. The only thing that will happen with Brady’s appeal is that Goodell will delay his final report until the last day possible. And he won’t completely exonerate Brady for a number of reasons why. Goodell is a narcissist and truly believes everyone is awaiting his words of wisdom as if he were Solomon the wise. So he lets them wait as if it is good for their character (and his adulation). He is consistent. Every action by Goodell has been delayed to extract a response that is not necessarily accurate or fair, but either expedient or the lesser of two evils ie take the penalties at the beginning of the season rather than risk it at the end.
    But that’s foolish and it won’t happen.The penalty can’t be increased so delay it to the end with the conviction that you won’t actually have to serve it because it will be thrown out of court.

    I believe the owners have got to be quiet fed up with having been drawn into this blood sport by their pit bull Goodell. The rules of their game together are that the owners don’t get bloodied. But now Goodell has allowed that to happen. Now you are starting to see more frequent comments by non-Patriot fans expressing concern for how their team hero may be at risk next. And if more and more people get on that band wagon, that’s no longer just a cost that can get offset by higher prices. That results in a devaluation of the franchise and that the owners won’t stand for. Because that they can’t recover. So the owners want this to stop. Now.

    The Patriots have Brady and Belichick, two of the toughest minds and compartmentalizers in the business. And Belichick can coach that into his team. He doesn’t have to worry about Brady. So there’s no downside in going for broke. And they should do it.

    Why? Because they haven’t done anything wrong. And at some point, the innocent have to say no I’m not going to plea bargain, I going to take my chances with a jury.

    Is that what Brady will do? Well that’s why we are not hearing anything from him. He is too busy getting ready for the season opener under center. What a game that will be.

  92. Even if by some miracle Brady beats his suspension his legacy will always be stained. He will be considered a great QB but cheating will always be on his resume, the shame is he could have been great without the cheating. It wouldn’t be appropriate to ignore the cheating and only acknowledge their “success”. Sorry Pats fans, but it is never going away, and cheating will likely be the first thing people think of when it comes to the Pats. Brady should consider retirement, seriously.

  93. dickshotdogs says:
    Jun 20, 2015 5:50 PM

    Honestly, I’m curious? Where are these * you people keep telling me about? I can’t find them anywhere. I’ve examined every Super Bowl trophy, all literature about their championship seasons, and I can’t find one *. Anywhere.
    ___________

    Then you’re just not looking. Here’s a citation directly from NFL.com:

    5) Tom Brady, New England Patriots*

    Despite being a proven winner (four titles, six total Super Bowl appearances) and one of the NFL’s ultimate clutch performers (46 game-winning drives in his 15-year career), Brady’s standing on this list is a reflection of the stench emanating from the Deflategate scandal (hence the asterisk).

  94. granadafan says: Jun 20, 2015 7:53 PM

    Ridiculous. They’re going to litigate this thing to death. Grow a pair, Roger. Brady is just making this worse and worse. If he had just admitted it from the beginning, he would have received a slap on the wrist and we would have just moved on. Now the punishment is deservedly much worse by forcing an investigation and doing a Lance Armstrong-style defense.””

    I hope this dolt Pete Rose’s himself right out of the league.

    seatownballers says: Jun 20, 2015 8:28 PM

    Most patriot fans are so delusional. If nature caused the ball fiasco, why was the ball boy fired?
    I’m curious as why an employer would terminate the innocent. If he’s so innocent why wouldn’t he sue?

    *crickets”””

    How about how they grasp onto the ball boys blaming it on the Ref’s. Yet all other texts are not as they seem.

  95. fanofsportsman says:
    Jun 20, 2015 5:08 PM

    WaWa – here goes the crybaby Pat’s fans – let’m loose!
    He wouldn’t cooperate and let them see relevant text messages, presume he’s guilty then and give him a longer suspension!
    __________________________________

    The problem with your claims is that Brady did cooperate. He sat for 5 hours on interviews. He refused to provide access to his personal cellphones and we know that statements Wels made after the report came out contradicted statements he made in the report.

    I don’t know of a good attorney out that would have advised a client to let their employer see their personal phones given the history of the employer leaking and misusing information obtained in investigations.

    And today the editors of Science News published their survey of scientists who all conducted their own experiments and found the rates of deflation within the realm of the ideal gas law.

    The Wells Report and investigation is completely falling apart. On the other hand what is coming into question more and more as a result is the integrity of the people “protecting the shield”.

  96. Roger will get the phone from him, say Tommie boy is pure as the driven snow and destroy the evidence personally just like he did with “Spygate”. Kraft already KNOWS the fix is in.

  97. Brady or no Brady, Patriots alias Cheats are not winning the AFC East this year.
    By the way, if by some hook or crook, Goodell lets his suspension go, Karma bitch will take over. Take your poison you cheatriot fans (LOL)

  98. IF brady serves first 4 we go 3-1 with Garopolo if not we go 4-0 and if they wait til 2016 we go 13-3 and get #5 If Brady doesnt play all year we STILL win the DIV buffalo has to learn how to play

  99. As long as Brady doesn’t listen to Kraft and fights this thing, we Pats fans and Brady will be fine.

    Drag Goodell and the NFL through the mud! Make it long and make it ugly.

    Brady has the stones and the resources to do it.

  100. C’mon, NFL, you GOTTA let Tom play in the opener. Do you really want to subject his poor backup to the kind of beating Cassel took from the Steelers in ’08 — the beating that Brady should’ve been taking instead? It’s not fair.

    And what about the rest of us fans? Do we really need to endure the kind of whining Pats fans did after that game? Because Brady wasn’t in there?

    C’mon league, even if Tommy is a cheater, think about the rest of us! Do we deserve to suffer?

  101. armchairqb says:
    Jun 20, 2015 5:34 PM
    Unbelievable. Get DUI away from the game and you can’t go near the team for a month. Manipulate the game to suit your needs, and they defer punishment.

    Good to see the NFL has its priorities in order.

    ….

    Hmm. Let’s see …

    DUI — could lead to a wreck with a carload of innocent people.

    deflated footballs — even if true, the footballs were handled thousands of times over the course of the season by refs, trained professionals who never noticed anything amiss. Also, per the scientific evidence, probably not true.

    Surprised to find myself saying this, but yes, based on how you have framed it, the NFL has its priorities in order on this one.

  102. Brady will be completely exonerated as anyone with a brain who actually bothered to check the evidence knows. The haters will crawl back to their holes and wonder why their team loses year after year.

  103. It’s funny how the Super Bowl score, and the AFC championship score, are brought up so often. The crux of this penalty was the Patriot’s cheating, not just in certain games, but over a period of time (i.e. you keep doing it until someone complains, and they check you). So, the nail biter in Baltimore, and the squeekers which netted them home field advantage, are what you look for when thinking how the integrity of the game was affected. The Patriots have never had an ‘all time great’ team. They’ve always eeked out their championships (with a little extra help). So, the 28-0 argument is so easily swatted down.

    Brady will take his medicine, and appreciate that a system quarterback is actually considered a GOAT by some in the Boston region.

  104. The outcome at this point doesn’t really matter.Anyone who is not a Pat’s fan will think Brady cheated,period.BTW,his punishment is for lack of cooperation more than anything else.If he had nothing to hide he would have already turned over his texts and emails in the very narrow scope that they were asking for.Yes,other teams/players have cheated,but why is it that Pat’s fans seem to think that excuses what Brady has done ?? It’s simple,you got caught breaking the rules so man up.

  105. limakey says:
    And this was never about just one game.

    ____

    No, its about 15 years of dominance displayed by the Pats where the owners/fans of all 31 other teams couldnt keep up. “Wah! The Pats keep beating us! We don’t know what to do!” The other billionaire owners huge egos couldnt take it anymore.

  106. Just suspend him, and be done with it. No one except New England fans care. I’ll bet he knew something, and so did his cell phone. This is old news, and not very interesting anymore.

  107. Have you noticed that Ted Wells, a guy the NFL marched out early and often in the deflategate process as Mr. Independent, has gone into witness protection program?

    Florio, can we get another thread with the Wells’ Stazi photo?

    Or, better yet, put one of those “Where’s Waldo” hats on him and ask readers to pick him out of a crowd.

  108. the science says he’s innocent

    vacate the suspension and let’s move on

  109. Keep taking about brady is he suspended or isn’t he may not even matter,has anyone been paying attention to buffalo because they are not the same team they use to be, i think they are going to be really hard to beat,just sayin.

  110. A respected science journal has joined with AEI and others affirming that a 4th grade science project could prove the footballs weren’t deflated, mocking Goodell and Wells

    Watch as GoodellGate begins to inflate

  111. The science doesn’t have to say Brady is innocent. The applicable standard here is “more probable than not.” With all the scientific studies casting doubt on the Wells Report conclusion that the deflation cannot be explained by the Ideal Gas Law, the question becomes, “Is is more probable than not that the Wells Report scientific analysis is correct?”

    Since the studies refuting the Wells Report science seem to greatly outnumber those in support, the probability that the Wells Report got it right seems to fall well short of “more probable than not.” That being the case, the Wells Report fails based on its own standard of proof

  112. the8man says:
    Jun 21, 2015 12:04 AM
    As long as Brady doesn’t listen to Kraft and fights this thing, we Pats fans and Brady will be fine.

    Drag Goodell and the NFL through the mud! Make it long and make it ugly.

    Brady has the stones and the resources to do it.

    ****

    please, PLEASE come back here when Brady caves so we can all mock you. He won’t want to delay his inevitable suspension, he won’t want to go through discovery, he won’t want cross examination, and he won’t want all the dirt the NFL has on him getting out to the public. Fold like a cheap suit.

    #wheresthaturinalagain?

    #shouldveusedadummyphone

  113. The NFL has Brady. Science does not excuse his lies and his cover up. As I have said before, these new reports are amusing. They have only introduced variables or possible variables to get the results they want. Same thing Pats fans have accused the Wells Report. You can’t have it both ways.

  114. It amazes me how many people still believe the TOTALLY FALSE Mortenson report. The facts show, the balls were not deflated before the game.

  115. limakey says:
    Jun 21, 2015 11:21 AM
    The NFL has Brady. Science does not excuse his lies and his cover up. As I have said before, these new reports are amusing. They have only introduced variables or possible variables to get the results they want. Same thing Pats fans have accused the Wells Report. You can’t have it both ways.

    So…..what “lies” and what “cover up” was Brady a part of?

  116. twopaw513 says:
    Jun 21, 2015 11:29 AM
    It amazes me how many people still believe the TOTALLY FALSE Mortenson report. The facts show, the balls were not deflated before the game.

    ****

    Unless you accept Walt Anderson’s best recollection. See, he recalls the balls being inflated to 12.5 (except 2) but he was using the logo gauge, which means they were ACTUALLY closer to 12, below legal limits. He reinflated the 2, which McNally had to “fix” in the bathroom while he was using the “urinal”.

    #havefunnotgoingtocourt

    #cantcoverupthecoverup

  117. Balls were at worst deflated 0.4 psi IF you believe Ted Wells and ignore the multiple variables pointed out by AEI and other studies.

    So to believe this, you have to be willing to assume the following things:

    Brady has had a scheme in place for his ball boys (only in home games because that’s when McNally had the chance) to sneak the balls into a bathroom and release 0.4 psi from each ball. This scheme also DIDNT happen against the Jets as recently as October if you read the text messages. You also have to assume based on the text messages that his ballboys don’t know what PSI Brady likes the balls at since they said the balls were supposed to be 13 psi.

    But he called himself the deflator so clearly they are 100% guilty on all charges, right?

    Listen, we get it haters, Goodell and the NFL hung you guys out to dry by reporting false information for months. These boards used to be filled with haters throwing science at Pats fans, saying nature only accounts for half of the PSI loss, because you all thought they were deflated 2 PSI. Now that we know the actual facts, haters are clinging dearly to multiple circumstantial pieces that are useless without actually deflated footballs.

    Its OK to admit you were wrong.

  118. seatownballers says:
    Most patriot fans are so delusional. If nature caused the ball fiasco, why was the ball boy fired?
    I’m curious as why an employer would terminate the innocent. If he’s so innocent why wouldn’t he sue?

    *crickets

    ————————————

    If you’d read the Wells Report and the Wells Report in context, you’d know the answer to that. The two employees were discussing seeking signed items from players which goes against either team or league rules. It is true, however, that players often give stuff to the part-time staff throughout all lockerrooms, just as a thank you.

    This in fact, is what the guy was referring to when he talked about going to ESPN, however the Wells Report set up the texts to look like it was discussing deflation of footballs.

  119. Brady claimed he did not know who JM was and what his job was. He claimed not to know what happened to the balls after he selected them. He claimed he doesn’t know who carries the footballs and delivers them to the sidelines. JJ testified otherwise, saying Tom did know who JM was and what his job was. And don’t go there with the nickname, that was in the rebuttal.

  120. Senator Arlen Specter investigated the Patriots and found that cheating had been going on since Belichick came to New England in 2000. (Yes, this means all their Super Bowls have a big asterisk.) It’s probably time for another investigation. Goodell’s been covering up for them for years (destroying evidence, light punishment for Brady, etc.). It’s pathetic.

  121. “luther6 says:
    Jun 21, 2015 12:20 PM
    Senator Arlen Specter investigated the Patriots and found that cheating had been going on since Belichick came to New England in 2000. (Yes, this means all their Super Bowls have a big asterisk.) It’s probably time for another investigation. Goodell’s been covering up for them for years (destroying evidence, light punishment for Brady, etc.). It’s pathetic.”

    Proof? Oh you don’t have any, color me surprised.

  122. NFL.com and ESPN are giving the AEI report, the NYT, the Washington Post and Science News deflategate stories the silent treatment.

    PFT has allowed mention of the Science News piece only in posts but has not given it a thread, nor did it give he Sally Jenkins piece a thread. Heck, PFT gave the delusional rants of Carlos Dansby two posts and left them up on the main mast for the better part of two days. One was Dansby claiming a 47 – 7 rout was due to the Patriots cheating. He should be playing for the Colts.

  123. The haters are funny – they know they can’t deny the Laws of Physics so they’ve now saying “But Brady lied and covered up the….. fact that the balls weren’t deflated!”

    Seriously – if nothing happened what is there to cover up?

    Do some haters still not understand he knew this guy as a nickname? Or that Eli Manning’s “deflators” work 4x as much as these guys (and I’m sure they text about it too.)

    If they’re so into “lies and coverups” why did NFL VP of Operations Dean Blandino lie about when he knew about the allegation? The Wells report affirms that Blandino was lying, even if Wells went back on his promise that he would investigate internal NFL leaks that were clearly made by anti-Patriots factions in the NFL as they were false and damaging to the Patriots.

    Ohhh- but they don’t want to TALK about THAT 😉

    Goodell’s own claims to know nothing of what is clearly a sting (which Blandino also lies about) may have him found to be openly lying to the public as well

    GoodelGate continues to inflate. The integrity of the game is at stake when the Commissioner has no integrity.

    If Goodell is smart he reverses course and issues an apology in light of a 4th grade science experiment demonstrating that $5 million is the price Goodell is willing to pay for a report that defies logic and unjustly penalizes the Patriots.

    But Goodell is NOT smart. That’s clear. Only the extreme haters are still trying to deny the Laws of Physics here.

  124. And Brady said he did not know who had contact with the officials, so why did Brady personally tell JM to tell the ref his preference for pressure? Brady has no way out. He will sit four games and should be greatful it’s only 4.

  125. Scientist Michael Naughton (expert in condensed matters physics, Buffalo Bills fan) lent his expertise to the matter when the controversy initially blew up.

    Naughton’€™s lab at Boston College inflated a football to 13.5 psi at 72 degrees F. Then they stuck it in a fridge and measured the pressure at 42 degrees F (slightly cooler than the low on game night of 47.7 degrees F, the average of measurements from two weather stations near Gillette Stadium).

    The pressure dropped to 10.5 psi.

  126. rootpain says:

    I believe the owners have got to be quiet fed up with having been drawn into this blood sport by their pit bull Goodell.

    *********

    In reality, when the owners all got in a room together during the last owners’ meetings, it was Kraft (not Goodell) who came out humbled and he finally accepted the penalty handed down to the Patriots by the league. What this suggests is that the other 31 owners have had enough of the Patriots bending/breaking the rules and told Kraft to just take his medicine this time.

  127. bushwoodcc says:

    The problem with your claims is that Brady did cooperate. He sat for 5 hours on interviews. He refused to provide access to his personal cellphones and we know that statements Wels made after the report came out contradicted statements he made in the report.

    I don’t know of a good attorney out that would have advised a client to let their employer see their personal phones given the history of the employer leaking and misusing information obtained in investigations.

    **********

    For the millionth time, Wells did not ask for access to Brady’s cellphone. He asked Brady and his representative to provide printouts of any text messages that were relevant to the case.

    If Brady is innocent, he could have said that there were no relevant texts, because he didn’t do anything wrong, nor does he have any knowledge of any wrongdoing. Instead, he just refused to provide anything.

    If Brady is guilty, you can see why he would do that. At the time, he and his legal team likely didn’t know what texts Wells already did or didn’t have. If he provided printouts of fewer texts than the investigators had, he’d clearly be shown to have withheld evidence. If he provided more than the investigators had, he would potentially be giving them incriminating evidence that hadn’t come to light yet (and maybe never would otherwise).

    Now that the report has been released, Brady has an opportunity that he didn’t have before. He can now “cooperate” by providing printouts of the texts that were already in the Wells report – and then continue to dispute the interpretation of those texts. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the way things go, and it’s the basis for Goodell reducing the suspension to 2 games as a “compromise” for Brady’s “increased cooperation”.

  128. j0esixpack says:
    Jun 21, 2015 12:50 PM
    Scientist Michael Naughton (expert in condensed matters physics, Buffalo Bills fan) lent his expertise to the matter when the controversy initially blew up.

    Naughton’€™s lab at Boston College inflated a football to 13.5 psi at 72 degrees F. Then they stuck it in a fridge and measured the pressure at 42 degrees F (slightly cooler than the low on game night of 47.7 degrees F, the average of measurements from two weather stations near Gillette Stadium).

    The pressure dropped to 10.5 psi.

    ****

    So wait, his experiment doesn’t follow Ideal Gas Law. Is it possible other factors were involved, in both cases? In fact, I will bet you no manner of experiments will give you consistent results because they can’t know all the various factors involved. Nothing Exponent, or AEI, or the Academy of Clown Science, or anybody else you drag into this is going to prove anything definitively, they can’t even get consistent results.

    When you look beyond the fray of competing sciences, all you see are lies and cover up.

    #nobradynobannerisjustfine

    #defendthewalllmao

  129. .
    To end this nonsense :

    The findings in the Wells Report cannot be duplicated in any lab by any scientist. If the findings cannot be replicated, the science is junk.
    .

  130. What if Brady was completely exonerated, having been proven to be completely innocent? Would you be sad? If yes, why?
    Well then plan for it. Because its coming. Planning for it may soften the blow.

  131. Rootpain, that will never happen. He lied and he is caught. However, what about you? What if he goes to court and loses, will you accept his guilt? And what if he cops to it? How are you going to feel?

  132. If Tom gives up cell phone and other communication anyone besides me think it may cost Belichick games as well?
    The whole thing is sad. He could have gone down as a good QB in everyone’s eyes but Pats bent rules over and over and it stains his career. Season opener will be a circus for Roger/NFL whether he plays or not.

  133. “limakey says:
    Jun 21, 2015 2:35 PM
    He lied and he is caught.”

    limakey, I am assuming you are not a bad guy, just someone who is obsessed with the Patriots.

    May I refer you to Les Misérables, by Victor Hugo, a story that describes the impact on an individual who is consumed by his belief in the guilt of another. It doesn’t end well for him. Other great works of fiction have similar themes including Hawthorne’s The Scarlet Letter.

  134. Jaxon, Brady will never hand over his cell phone or emails on this. He will not be offered the same protection as last time. But, just in case I am wrong, no matter what comes out, there can be no more punishment given out to the Pats or Brady.

  135. No worries folks. All fair minded people will recognize that its TB12 under center opening night, as it should be.
    Goodell will be forcd to sit down and be a good little lap dog by the 32.
    Wells will have to convince his esteemed colleagues how he was forced into this position without them laughing in his face. Then again, being lawyers, they will be begging Wells for the secret to getting paid $5MM for a piece of trash report.
    So life will go on as usual. We will continue to absorb the costs of these shenanigans. And on occasion, be a little entertained by a football game or two.

  136. I’m gonna laugh when he his suspension is upheld, and all the loser Patsy fans start crying, ranting, and claiming there is no proof, when the investigation already found proof, thus leading to the punishment, hahahaha. No playoffs for the Pats this year

  137. If Brady* loses in court and appeals, I would expect the commissioner would place him on the exempt list (like Peterson, Rice, and Hardy)) pending appeal.

    The team and the NFLPA have no recourse. He could sit out with pay all of 2015.

    Rule says “The Exempt List is a special player status available to clubs only in unusual circumstances. The List includes those players who have been declared by the Commissioner to be temporarily exempt from counting within the Active List limit. Only the Commissioner has the authority to place a player on the Exempt List; clubs have no such authority, and no exemption, regardless of circumstances, is automatic. The Commissioner also has the authority to determine in advance whether a player’s time on the Exempt List will be finite or will continue until the Commissioner deems the exemption should be lifted and the player returned to the Active List.”

    Peterson, Rice and Hardy sat out all of last year without being suspended.

  138. tobis81 says:
    Jun 21, 2015 4:15 PM
    I’m gonna laugh when he his suspension is upheld, and all the loser Patsy fans start crying, ranting, and claiming there is no proof, when the investigation already found proof, thus leading to the punishment, hahahaha. No playoffs for the Pats this year


    Sorry I don’t think you will get that opportunity.

    Pretty much every sports attorney has said if it goes to trial Brady will win “hands down”

    So it will be the crybaby haters like you who start crying when the team your for loses to NE

  139. Flash, funny, most attorneys I have heard is that Brady will sit all four. Unless he turns over the electronics that are related to deflate gate.

  140. “Peterson, Rice and Hardy sat out all of last year without being suspended.”

    Peterson admitted to beating his child with tree branches; Rice was on tape dragging his unconscious fiance out of an elevator after he clocked her with his fist; and, Hardy was found guilty in court of assaulting a female and communicating threats.

    Is it my imagination or did a poster to PFT equate what Brady did with these acts by saying Brady could sit out all of the 2015 season if he chooses to exercise his rights under US and state law and challenge the commissioner’s finding?

    It is not enough that Goodell and the NFL tried to coerce Brady to cop a plea by giving him a four game suspension for something no other player has ever even been suspended for even one game, we have fans of other teams that want Brady taken off the field for a whole season if he exercises his civil rights.

    What a country.

  141. Limakey,
    Thanks for asking. I’ll assume your question is serious.
    How I would feel if Brady lost in court for intentionally deflating or aiding to deflate footballs for a competitive advantage would depend on the circumstances of the loss. I make that specific distinction because as far as I am concerned, if it is proven that there was no attempt to deflate the footballs by anybody, then there is no case against Brady, period.

    So if the court finds in Goodell’s favor solely based on him having authority under the CBA, then I would be frustrated and upset. Because that doesn’t resolve the issue. I have no faith what so ever in Goodell, his methods, his absolute lack of integrity and morals. And especially his scientific acumen. And I feel the same way of those he surrounds himself with in the league office as well as Wells. And of the motives of the 31 owners. So if Brady were to lose on that basis, I would be upset.

    If he lost based on an independent and competent review of the information provided, I would be stunned. Again I am only concerned with whether Brady participated in any way with respect to intentionally deflating or aiding to deflate footballs for a competitive advantage. I’m not trying to parse words here. If he knowingly did anything or turned the other way while it was being done, then that is inexcusable. If he was found guilty of that, I would be stunned and disappointed.

    I am only interested in whether Brady cheated. So if he lied about cheating then he cheated. If he lied about telling his guys to cheat and they cheated then he cheated.

    If he said he didn’t know McNally but did know some guy named Bird or Burt, that’s nothing. I don’t care. If he called Jastremski to ask whether he cheated and was told no, then there’s nothing. I don’t care.

    If he cops to something then it will depend on what he cops to. If he cops to knowing something prior to the the game, then he’s a cheat and deserves the punishment. If he cops to knowing something after the game ie if Jastremski told him McNally  deflated balls after the refs final check, and was asked that specific question by Wells and denied it, then I would be disappointed and stunned. He would deserve a penalty, but not the four games. And the team penalty should stand.

    But I don’t believe he actively participated in any way. And I don’t believe he found out about anything afterwards. Because I don’t believe anything happened. And if no intentional deflating took place, then the only things that happened during the game were that the Colts got whipped and the NFL learned about atmospheric affects on footballs.

  142. it is all one big conspiracy against Brady by Goodell, the NFL, Wells investigators, exponent, the colts, the ravens, the jets, all jealous haters, everyone outside the boston area, all other 31 owners, Belichick and Kraft are in it a little to, the CIA, The FBI, al queda and seal team six have all conspired against Brady and only die hard pats fans can see the truth of this reality, pshhh.

  143. patsstinkoftaint says: So wait, his experiment doesn’t follow Ideal Gas Law.
    =====================================

    It does in this Universe.

    Goodell and the haters seem to think that the Commissioner and the Competition Committee have the authority to re-write the Laws of Physics when they favor Brady, just as they do with every rule in the NFL rulebook

    If anyone CAN’T see that the Wells report has absolutely no credibility or basis in science – or even the word of their own officials – well, then I just feel sorry for them that their hatred runs that deep

    Meanwhile the Wells Report – although he lied about looking into the NFL’s own activities including biased leaks of false information – inadvertently caught senior NFL officials in lies about what they knew, when they knew it, causing them to deny a sting operation in their panic while being caught in a lie

    Goodell has one chance after Tuesday to distance himself from this mess, but I think he’s in too deep.

  144. mguittar2014 says: Jun 21, 2015 4:44 PM

    If Brady* loses in court and appeals, I would expect the commissioner would place him on the exempt list (like Peterson, Rice, and Hardy)) pending appeal.

    The team and the NFLPA have no recourse. He could sit out with pay all of 2015.

    Rule says “The Exempt List is a special player status available to clubs only in unusual circumstances. The List includes those players who have been declared by the Commissioner to be temporarily exempt from counting within the Active List limit. Only the Commissioner has the authority to place a player on the Exempt List; clubs have no such authority, and no exemption, regardless of circumstances, is automatic. The Commissioner also has the authority to determine in advance whether a player’s time on the Exempt List will be finite or will continue until the Commissioner deems the exemption should be lifted and the player returned to the Active List.”

    —-
    Hmmm… that is almost the exact wording from the Player Personnel manual…I said almost because curiously missing was the very first sentence.

    “The Exempt List is a special player status available to clubs only in unusual circumstances.”

    🙂

    If Brady goes on the list it’s only because the Patriots asked the league to put him there. It’s a roster designation, like injured reserve.

    It pays to be informed, kiddies! 🙂

    #PatriotHaterOwnedAgain
    #ILoveSlappingPatriotHaterAroundItsFun

  145. 28-24.

    You didn’t forget already did you Patriot Hater?

    No you didn’t.

    We won’t let you.

    You WILL not forget how Malcolm Butler (that is, World Champion Malcolm Butler to you) took it all away from you dopes. Awww. Don’t cry now. 🙂

  146. rule says “The Exempt List is a special player status available to clubs only in unusual circumstances. The List includes those players who have been declared by the Commissioner to be temporarily exempt from counting within the Active List limit. Only the Commissioner has the authority to place a player on the Exempt List; clubs have no such authority, and no exemption, regardless of circumstances, is automatic. The Commissioner also has the authority to determine in advance whether a player’s time on the Exempt List will be finite or will continue until the Commissioner deems the exemption should be lifted and the player returned to the Active List.”

    —–
    Ah so I misread it, you did quote the club part, you just decided to ignore it 🙂

    No don’t thank me. I am always too happy to educate and inform the uninformed when it comes to the National Football League. 🙂

  147. Rootpain, thank you for your response. Just as deeply you believe he is innocent, I believe he is guilty because of the texts and his denials. I never thought any qb would ever do something like this, let alone TB. I am so disappointed in him.

  148. Jaysmack,
    I wasn’t aware Seal Team Six was involved as well. That implicates the President. I guess Brady will have to think twice next year when he gets the 2015 Super Bowl champs invite to the White House.

  149. j0esixpack says:
    Jun 21, 2015 6:06 PM
    patsstinkoftaint says: So wait, his experiment doesn’t follow Ideal Gas Law.
    =====================================

    It does in this Universe.

    ****

    Do the math, LMAO!!! Remember, this was in direct reference to Michael Naughton’s experiment. Nowhere in this universe will you lose 3 psi from that change in temp. The fact that you don’t know this speaks volumes about your defense of Brady!!

    #patriotmath

    #echochamberscausebraindamage

  150. If anyone CAN’T see that the Wells report has absolutely no credibility or basis in science – or even the word of their own officials – well, then I just feel sorry for them that their hatred runs that deep


    “Deflate and give somebody that jkt”

    Wells: “This was another reference to deflating footballs”.

    Facts: This text had absolutely squat to do with deflating footballs.

    Logic: If this WAS about deflating footballs what logical human being would actually say it like “deflate! And give someone that jacket”. LOL.

    I don’t know what’s funnier. The fact the NFL paid big, big money for such equine excrement or the fact Patriot Hater has their tongues sticking out like eager little kittens lapping it all up in big lumps.

  151. patsstinkoftaint says: Do the math, LMAO!!!
    ============================

    I think I and most everyone else is going to side with the ACTUAL scientist on this one… specifically the guy who’s not afraid to use his ACTUAL name

    … as opposed to a screen name that shows just how obsessed he is with the Patriots and how much of his pitiful self esteem is tied to finding that the Laws of Physics that explain there was NO DEFLATION – are wrong

  152. EXHIBIT C to the Judge/Jury in Brady vs NFL

    Very Interesting Diagnosis of 28-24

    If we give the Colts all of the points scored in the 1st half of the AFCCG #1.) to satisfy the haters accusations of CHEATING by the Patriots and #2.) eliminate any unforseen anomalies

    The Final Score would be PATRIOTS 28 = Colts 24

    SB XLIX Patriots 28 – Seahawks 24

    Therefore we can conclude with the following: #1.) Regardless of the air pressure in footballs Tom Brady & the PATRIOTS = WIN.
    #2.) ZERO Evidence of Rule 17 violation Unfair Advantage.
    #3.) Belief of Guilt in the absence of any Corroborating Factual Evidence is just a BLIND Belief Prejeducie against Brady that is absolutely VOID of JUSTIFICTION or Cause for Discipline/Fines/Suspensions

    Swallow that Crybabies.

    How say the Crybabies?

  153. Anyone else think it’s curious how silent M&J – the two ballboys – have been on this whole thing. In fact I think it’s extremely interesting that we haven’t heard a word from them.

    I mean… the likes of TMZ would LOVE to break this story like they did with Ray Rice. You really don’t think TMZ hasn’t offered two low level employees an opportunity and payday of a lifetime to tell their story about cheating in the Patriots? Of course they have. Anyone who thinks otherwise is comically ignorant.

    And yet… those guys didn’t take their offer. I mean it’s not like the Pats could do anything about it if they did. They are suspended. They have no loyalty to the Patriots. So what’s stopping them? Hmmm?

    Why the radio silence?

    #iknowwhy
    #PatriotHaterWontLikeTheAnswer
    #PatriotHaterCantHandleTheTruth
    #TruthIsTheTruth
    #FactsAreFacts
    #TruthHurts

  154. j0esixpack says:
    Jun 21, 2015 7:31 PM
    patsstinkoftaint says: Do the math, LMAO!!!
    ============================

    I think I and most everyone else is going to side with the ACTUAL scientist on this one… specifically the guy who’s not afraid to use his ACTUAL name

    … as opposed to a screen name that shows just how obsessed he is with the Patriots and how much of his pitiful self esteem is tied to finding that the Laws of Physics that explain there was NO DEFLATION – are wrong

    ****

    Seriously, using similar conditions he came up with a loss of 3 psi, when no ball involved in Deflategate lost HALF that much. The reason you believe that experiment somehow invalidates the Wells Report is the same reason you’re going to be shocked when Brady’s suspension holds and he doesn’t sue.

    I’ll side with mathematics, you can side with experiments that all give different results, LMAO.

  155. Patsstinkoftaint, apparently all employees sign non disclosure agreements when they are hired. MF wrote about this. What is curious is why they haven’t been fired by the Pats. If I was allegedly stealing and threatening to go ESPN, pretty sure I lose my job.

  156. Limakey,
    OK so assuming this goes to court and is heard by an independent qualified judge, what information would have to be presented to convince you that Brady didn’t cheat. Or what explanations of the texts or explanation of his denials would convince you that he didnt lie?

    I’m just wondering whether you are open to the possibility that Brady may have been blindsided and even bewildered when first asked about the now proven to be greatly exaggerated deflation levels. Or that there is some other innocent explanation for why he may have appeared to some, such as yourself, to be lying.

  157. patsstinkoftaint just admitted the footballs weren’t deflated and doesn’t even realize it

    Pretty much just like the evidence (if not the conclusion) of the Wells Report affirms

    Send your complaints to the editors of another scientific journals affirming the Wells Report doesn’t hold up – tell them an amateur scientists who hides behind a non de plume disagrees

  158. ****

    I’m sure Kraft has given them some nice cush jobs with security and they chose that over a 1-time payday and eternal hatred in their communities.


    Nah. They would take the 1-time payday 10 times out of 10.

    And who says they’d have to stick around. 🙂 If that was me I’d take my millions, move to the Keys and enjoy my NFL fame from the beach.

  159. cosmicconvoy says: Jun 21, 2015 8:20 PM

    The NFL will be so much better without Brady.

    Sincerely,
    31 teams not named the New England Patriots

    Fixed it for you!

    🙂

  160. Y’all can deny reality if you wish…but Tom Brady IS taking this deal to court regardless of what Goodell says on Tuesday.

    That changed from a possibility to a certainty once the name Jeff Kessler appeared in this whole tale.

  161. Rootpain, I think Brady sought legal advice on this issue on the day it broke. And I think he was advised exactly what to say in his presser for the most part. I think at that time, his main focus was being able to play in the super bowl. I get that. I think when the Wells investigation happened, he was told that he has to stick to his original story, he knows nothing.

  162. STILLlolatpatshaters says:
    Jun 21, 2015 8:28 PM
    ****

    I’m sure Kraft has given them some nice cush jobs with security and they chose that over a 1-time payday and eternal hatred in their communities.


    Nah. They would take the 1-time payday 10 times out of 10.

    And who says they’d have to stick around. 🙂 If that was me I’d take my millions, move to the Keys and enjoy my NFL fame from the beach.

    ****

    you’re woefully uninformed on how much gossip mongers actually pay for stuff. Wouldn’t even hit 6 figures. For somebody who claims to understand science……

    #urnotwickedsmaht

  163. j0esixpack says:
    Jun 21, 2015 8:25 PM
    patsstinkoftaint just admitted the footballs weren’t deflated and doesn’t even realize it

    ****

    I’d love to hear what fantasy path of logic you took to come to THAT conclusion.

    By posting that guy’s experiment, you just proved that you can’t replicate the loss of pressure by Ideal Gas Law alone, as stated by the Wells Report. It actually demonstrates the flaws in the AEI report. A half dozen experiments are producing a half dozen results.

    IF IT IS SCIENCE, WHY ISN’T IT CONSISTENT??

    Here’s an experiment for you: find a dictionary, look up the word “incongruent”

    As in : We ran many experiments, but the results were incongruent, so we looked at the other evidence, the lies, the texts and phone calls (remember those?) the lame attempts to explain nicknames, the disappearing urinal, the inexplicable claims of ignorance, and most importantly the past history of rampant cheating to determine our punishment.

    #kesslerwontsaveu

    #bradywontevensue

  164. “an email between Goodell and Kensil, or some other clear indication that they were railroading the Patriots…”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Are you that blind?

    The CLEAR evidence is overwhelming at this point.

    The CLEAR evidence began at the AFFCG and snowballed to what it is now.

    That is why some of my posts ended with:

    WAKE UP PEOPLE !!!!!!

  165. patsstinkoftaint doesn’t realize he just agreed with the AEI debunking of the Wells Report that its findings are not backed by science and can’t be replicated – joining the growing dozens of REAL scientists pointing out what a farce the Wells Report is

  166. j0esixpack says:
    Jun 21, 2015 10:00 PM
    patsstinkoftaint doesn’t realize he just agreed with the AEI debunking of the Wells Report that its findings are not backed by science and can’t be replicated – joining the growing dozens of REAL scientists pointing out what a farce the Wells Report is

    ****

    Um, ok? I’ll play your silly game. The Wells Report is garbage, let’s focus on the other science.

    So, why did Naughton get a much larger loss of psi than AEI did? You know, 2 of the examples you use to claim Brady’s innocence. Why are they so different??

    #readingcomprehensionisnturstrongsuit

    #ushouldprobablystick2thebasics

  167. you’re woefully uninformed on how much gossip mongers actually pay for stuff. Wouldn’t even hit 6 figures. For somebody who claims to understand science……


    Nah. Evidence of cheating ain’t exactly what I would call “gossip”. 🙂 7 figures by a comfortable margin.

    And yet… crickets. Not even a peep for months.

    Know what that tells you? They got representation. Expect their lawsuit against the league to be filed the moment Goodell tries to back away from the Wells report even just a tiny bit. UH OH!

    🙂

  168. STILLlolatpatshaters says:
    Jun 21, 2015 10:33 PM
    you’re woefully uninformed on how much gossip mongers actually pay for stuff. Wouldn’t even hit 6 figures. For somebody who claims to understand science……


    Nah. Evidence of cheating ain’t exactly what I would call “gossip”. 🙂 7 figures by a comfortable margin.

    ****
    Per International Business Times:

    “In 2012, the site reportedly paid $15,000 for photos of Prince Harry playing strip billiards in Las Vegas. More recently, the site was rumored to shell out a staggering $250,000 for security footage of Solange Knowles attacking Jay Z in an elevator”

    You win. I actually looked that up, lol. I wasted 30 seconds of my day debating someone who turns “gossip monger” (i.e. TMZ) into “gossip”. You can’t even read, but for some reason I feel compelled to demonstrate how wrong you are.
    Enjoy the next couple days of thinking this will all work out for your boy. I’d say I hope you are around when he caves, but you’ll probably twist that all into knots too.

    #bestregards

    #enjoythe4gamevacation

  169. Unless Brady admits to his involvement in the cheating and apologizes publicly then there can be no change to his 4 game suspension and it should begin in week one 2015.
    He should also have to make clear if and what he paid the “deflator” . Was it the couple of “pigskins” as was requested.
    He should also turn over his emails and texts to the league his story can be verified.
    If he goes to court he will get slaughtered as his emails and texts can be legally obtained……confirming his guilt.
    This guy is a cheater and a liar and should be treated as such. This will be his legacy.
    His arrogance in dealing with the matter should lead to a more severe penalty, not a reduction.
    As it is, he will forever be known as an embarrassment to the game and all those who have played it fairly.

  170. Per International Business Times:

    “In 2012, the site reportedly paid $15,000 for photos of Prince Harry playing strip billiards in Las Vegas. More recently, the site was rumored to shell out a staggering $250,000 for security footage of Solange Knowles attacking Jay Z in an elevator”

    You win. I actually looked that up, lol. I wasted 30 seconds of my day debating someone who turns “gossip monger” (i.e. TMZ) into “gossip”. You can’t even read, but for some reason I feel compelled to demonstrate how wrong you are.
    Enjoy the next couple days of thinking this will all work out for your boy. I’d say I hope you are around when he caves, but you’ll probably twist that all into knots too.

    #bestregards

    #enjoythe4gamevacation


    My my, you sound like you’re getting angry! 28-24 must have REALLY gotten under your skin 🙂 I can’t blame you, it really was emotionally devastating for Patriot Hater! Those scars will never EVER go away. 🙂

    And like I said… TMZ would LOVE to be the ones to expose cheating in the NFL – but it is comical that you call that just mere gossip. They and all media like them would LOVE to have those guys fess up to them and you know they are trying and they can and will pay top dollar for it. 7 figures easy. Except…. too bad there’s nothing to “fess”!

    Sorry you don’t like facts but that doesn’t make facts any less factual. 🙂

  171. As it is, he will forever be known as an embarrassment to the game and all those who have played it fairly.


    Nah, he will be known by us intelligent football fans as the undisputed, infallible, unquestionable, unassailable, incontrovertible, irrefutable greatest QB that ever played the game. 🙂

    Why? Because he IS, silly! 🙂

  172. He can’t hold Joe Montans’s jock strap. He was the greatest and he never thought about cheating to win. Lady Brady will be remembered for CHEATING and kicking at Ed Reed while he was flat on his back as the Ravens dismantled Brady and the Pats en route to the SB in 2012.
    He’ a cry baby, a punk and a lying cheater.
    He is only the greatest at three things….crying to the refs, cheating and lying about it.

  173. So Limakey,
    Are you saying (and I really don’t want to put words in your mouth, so take this as a question) that there is no type of evidence that could be presented in any type of independent forum that could persuade you that Brady is innocent of both active involvement or active concealment of another’s involvement in the deflation of footballs to gain an unfair advantage. In other words, from your perspective, Brady is guilty, period. Case closed. Is that what you are saying?

    If yes, then I find that to be scary. And the reason I do is because there has not been any actual, irrefutable evidence presented by Goodell’s team to support that position (keep in mind that in this scenario, I’m speaking futuristically and assuming this goes to court or some other unbiased, qualified, independent forum wherein the ruling would be in Brady’s favor).
    I understand the passion that we all have for our respective positions, from which we are also able to hide behind our anonymity. So from that perspective, to claim that there is no condition under which you could accept Brady’s innocence, and as I firmly believe that there is a much greater than 50% chance of Brady being found innocent of any involvement described above, I think you are in for some hard times. Brady is innocent and will be found so. And there is a high probability that he will win another Super Bowl this year and MVP. And it will be his critics who have pushed him over the top of his game this season to accomplish all that. That’s the type of guy he is.
    But enough for now. Sleep calls.

  174. The only clear evidence is that the Patriots tampered with game equipment.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    WOW, You must still be dreaming beacause….

    Goodell does not have any
    Well$ could not find any
    The texts only prove Brady is innocent – 13.0 psi
    Science proves Brady is CLEARLY innocent
    The AFCCG proves Brady is innocent
    SB XLIX proves Brady is innocent and the GOAT.

    WAKE UP

  175. Limakey,
    Are you saying (and I really don’t want to put words in your mouth, so take this as a question) that there is no type of evidence that could be presented in any type of independent forum that could persuade you that Brady is innocent of both active involvement or active concealment of another’s involvement in the deflation of footballs to gain an unfair advantage. In other words, from your perspective, Brady is guilty, period. Case closed. Is that what you are saying?

    —-

    Everyone knows if Brady really WAS guilty of what Patriot Hater hopes he is… NO Patriot fan would be defending him right now.

    Now what I think it is interesting is the fact that Patriot Hater is waving their pom poms desperately hoping that he is guilty. Personally as an intelligent fan of the sport I would never hope any top QB is guilty of cheating and violating the integrity of the sport, no matter how much I loathe the team he plays for. The sport and the game is much bigger than my hatred for any team.

    So it’s clear as day that Patriot Hater doesn’t really care about the sport of football. As a fan that loves the game I find that insulting to my superior intelligence.

    So Patriot fans – I applaud your effort to respond to the braying of Patriot Hater with facts and logic and intelligent football talk, but it’s clear that it isn’t worth the time or effort.

    So just do what I do instead. Treat their hee hawing like the trash that it is. And then get literally right up in their grill and run your mouth. Make that Super Bowl win STING. Kick them while they are down. 🙂 And when they’ve had enough, kick them again and again and again and again. 🙂

    Trust me, it’s FUN! 🙂

  176. Nah. Montana is the greatest, never lost a super bowl. Sorry, but hey, 2nd place isn’t anything to sneeze at.

    —-
    The “Montana never lost a Super Bowl” argument is persuasive on its own but it conveniently over looks a few things.

    Montana as a starter also lost 3 playoff games to the Giants, 1 AFC Championship game to the Bills and has 4 one and dones on his resume.

    Brady has the same number of rings, won more playoff games than Montana, thrown for more playoff TDs than Montana, appeared in more conference championship games (9) than Montana (6), and has just 2 one and dones on his resume and overall has done MUCH more with less than any other QB that ever played football. Take a look at the Patriots defense that played in the Super Bowl in 2011. One of the worst passing defenses I have ever seen in my life and yet there they were in the Super Bowl and #12 had a very large part of that.

    And the clincher – Brady has sustained his excellence for longer than Montana did.

    Brady = GOAT. Sorry! 🙂

  177. Wow, lots of Pats fans flooding the boards I see to up vote all pro Brady comments and down vote all negative Brady comment.

  178. Even if what they say is true. You are twisting words, but that’s nothing new. They don’t pay enough for someone to retire on, but hey, why stay on point? Those guys would have to move, and their families, cause loonies like you would probably firebomb their house if they came forward

    —–
    Sure they would. And they have.

    And yet those guys haven’t piped up. No interview with TMZ. Look at what TMZ did with the Ray Rice story.

    Come to think of it…no interview with ESPN either who probably is looking to pay just as much. No interview with CNN. Nothing at the national level. Nothing at the local level. No book deal. No off the record comments. Surely a juicy book about the highest profile QB of this generation cheating is just printing money.

    But none of that happened. Just…radio silence. So surely two low level ball boys must have an excellent reason to turn down all these golden parachutes to make them set for life…since they clearly have salacious tales of cheating that must be exposed to the world.

    Right? 🙂

    #hmmmm
    #veryinteresting
    #TheyGotNothing
    #UGotNothing
    #UKnowUGotNothing
    #WeKnowUGotNothing

  179. I realize that Pats fans think that little tommy would never do this. But ask yourself a couple of questions and then try and remote your blinders and answer them. (1) did this employee just decide on his own to deflate the ball with no other input from anyone else? (2) if Brady is innocent why would he refuse to turn over his phone? If he did nothing and his phone records indicate that it would have been over. So either his phone records will provide evidence of his involvement or they will show something else he doesn’t want out there. I know it doesn’t make sense to Pats fans since they are just accepting of the continued cheating by the Pats as part of the game. And I don’t want to hear that everybody does these things. Because if that was the case then why are they the only ones getting caught?

  180. I can’t see how anyone says he did n’t do anything wrong. He didn’t cooperate with investigation, has been doing this for years, it was proven in the Wells Report that he’s involved with cheating, ANNNNDDDD they’ve been caught cheating before and had it shoved under the rug by the Comissioner. Painfully obvious he benefits from underinflated footballs or esle he wouldn’t do it.

    If Rory McIlroy was caught using hollow core golf balls, and claimed ignorance would his caddy be suspended ??? If an NBA player was wearing illegial sneakers that improved performance would he be suspended???

    Just because they’ve had a good run recently doesn’t make them above the law.

  181. Doubtful the courts will take this up anyway, likely they tell Brady that the NFL is a private business and that the issue is of no concern to them.

  182. STILLlolatpatshaters says:
    Jun 22, 2015 10:47 AM

    Nah. Montana is the greatest, never lost a super bowl. Sorry, but hey, 2nd place isn’t anything to sneeze at.

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    The “Montana never lost a Super Bowl” argument is persuasive on its own but it conveniently over looks a few things.
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    Montana played against much stiffer competition, no way Brady makes it through that gauntlet with the same results. Guys like LT and Manley would’ve eaten him alive. Not to mention all his receivers would be hospitalized if they tried running that offense back then.

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