Brady’s lawyer says they made a “compelling case” at appeal hearing

Tom Brady had plenty to say behind closed doors as he spent all of Tuesday at the NFL offices appealing his four-game Deflategate suspension. Brady still hasn’t said anything publicly, however, and his lawyer made only a brief comment after exiting the appeal hearing.

I think we put in a very compelling case,” attorney Jeffrey Kessler told reporters after walking out of the hearing.

That case centers on two key points: The Ted Wells report is flawed and fails to prove that Brady violated NFL rules by ordering footballs to be deflated, and the punishment of a four-game suspension far exceeds punishments for similar rules violations.

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell will now decide whether he agrees that Brady’s side made a compelling case. If he does, he could reduce Brady’s suspension, or even rescind it entirely.

Brady wants the suspension rescinded entirely, and if Goodell doesn’t do that, Brady’s next step may be to sue the NFL, and attempt to make a compelling case in court.

122 responses to “Brady’s lawyer says they made a “compelling case” at appeal hearing

  1. OMG!!!

    Brady testified yesterday UNDER OATH.

    I thought that the trolls said that would never happen?!?!?!?

    Face reality: Brady did nothing wrong.

  2. Unfortunately Brady’s legal team made the compelling case to Roger Goodell who, like all members of his executive team and the Patriots Envy Club, has shown over and over again that he cannot handle the truth when it comes to the Patriots.

    The truth being, of course, that the New England Patriots Bill Belichick is the Greatest Head Coach of All-Time, Tom Brady is the Greatest QB of All-Time, and the Patriots are guilty of nothing but unfathomable greatness (and obvious humility).

    If Brady and his team can get a Judge to hear this case, and somehow legally get past the fact that the CBA gives Goodell far too much power, then all of us will finally get to watch the truth prevail with Brady and the Pats exonerated, and Goodell stepping down.

  3. Bring back Taglibue! Well, preferably Tags. If not him, then anybody who has a pulse. Remember fans of the other 31 teams, your team could be next on Goodells hit list. Actually, I should say fans of the 28 other teams since Goodell already screwed over the Saints, Cowboys, and Redskins along with the Patriots.

  4. Let me guess. Their case came down to “You’re a bunch of jealous haters” and “nyah nyah nyah nyah nah.”

  5. Goodell is so pig headed he will wait until Sept 6 and make the decision to uphold his own suspension.

    These scumbag owners need to start taking heat for keeping this scumbag as the commisioner.

    Thats who the media needs to start going after. This egomaniac Goodell has no intention of resigning like anyone with a conscience would. Anyone with any ethics would have resigned after the Bountygate debacle. This clown needs to be locked up in prison

  6. Brady taking this to court will only be a negative outcome for him, because the incriminating text messages on his cell phone he suspiciously withheld from the NFL investigation would be fair game and expose his long running systematic cheating.

  7. Did he allow them to look at his cell phone? If he didn’t then up hold the suspension

  8. Brady’s lawyer says they made a “compelling case” at appeal hearing / Brady’s lawyer says they made a “lied under oath” at appeal hearing

  9. Well I am shocked that Brady’s side stated that they presented a compelling case. I hope Brady came clean for his role in all of this,would have a lot more respect for him.

  10. Well what exactly would you expect him to say. It would have been far more entertaining if he said something like, “We cobbled together a farcical response that we presented over a 10 hour period in the hopes that he’d get so bored he’d lift the suspension just to get out of the room.”

  11. .
    It’s easy to understand the Patriots haters. If I wasn’t a Patriots fan I’d be sick of seeing them in the playoffs every year too.

    However, even if you loathe them, you must find the actions of Kensil, Vincent, Pash, Gardi, Blandino, Harbaugh, Pagano, Grigson, Mortenson, k

  12. Continued

    … You must find their actions reprehensible. Boomer Esiason had the story spot on from day one.
    .

  13. All they had to do was present the facts. NFL and Ted Wells did not. So who do you believe? The lying sham of a commish? Or a guy with probably more integrity than any other player?

  14. Wait …what….”compelling case”….fully cooperative….garbage Wells report…what the heck?

    Strike all this down, we need more ****

    I think Wells should have extended his investigation out three more months and made it a cool 10 million. That Wells guys though, he is laughing all the way to the bank while submitting a report a fourth grader “more probable than not” could have done.

    This money could have went to inner city kids, Play60 or the countless other great causes these great players support.

    Someone in the League office needs to be held accountable, fans work hard to get money to support this sport/league and executives around and burn that up by throwing it at the first cow at the trough. Not the most fiscally responsible bunch.

    What a complete and utter joke…

  15. Between the NFL creating – and leaking false information about the under inflation of the tested games balls – and the bungled & highly flawed Ted Wells investigation, I think Brady has a legitimate chance beat the rap. Is it possible he’s really innocent?

  16. So what happens when they get the two ball boys up on the stand and take the oath ? Should be fun to watch, they will probably have to get they’re own lawyers.

  17. So Mr. Commissioner what do you do when it is more probable than not that a crime did not take place. But you were driven by your Patriot hating underlings to get the Patriots at any cost. Then you unleashed Ted Wells who it seems only mandate was to get the goods on the Patriots instead of the truth. He did and now you are tied to his $5,000,000 + report that has more holes in it than Bonny and Clyde after they were caught up to. You then punished the Patriots and Tom Brady as if they had committed a felony when it seems perhaps there was no violation at all. Will you do the right thing or stick with your multi million dollar but incorrect report.

  18. Given that the scientific evidence renders it extremely unlikely that any tampering took place, it should be well within the capabilities of less accomplished advocates than Kessler to have made a “compelling” case.

    The question is, does Goodell recognize, yet, that Wells got it wrong? And when he does, how will he handle it?

  19. “I think we put in a very compelling case,” attorney Jeffrey Kessler told reporters after walking out of the hearing.

    Combine that with Brady saying “I don’t think so” when asked if he is a cheater…….

    Long Live The *!

  20. This ridiculous story needs to go away…The incompetency all around is mind boggling. I thought Mark Cuban was talking down the NFL when he made is prophetic comments a season or two ago, Goodell is making him look like a genius.

  21. And predictably, Goodell will ignore all the facts and all the legitimate science, that excludes Wells hatchet job, and stick with his idiotic 4 game suspension and force Brady to take them to court because he thinks, erroneously, that he wont.

    Then Brady will say all bets are off and not only sue Goodell, Wells, and the NFL to get his suspension overturned, he will file civil lawsuits for defamation, because he has lost endorsement money. I would say $50 million to each entity to make sure these railroading ceases. And the judge will give Goodell, and Wells a tongue lashing they habe never experienced before

  22. Free Tom Brady.

    Goodell has zero scientific proof. Opinions about cell phone texts between two bafoons does not constitute cheating. The NFL is going to look very bad in court if TB12 isn’t exonerated.

  23. Does anyone believe Brady’s lawyer would say his client’s testimony stunk?

  24. While the public watches this…it becomes more and more evident the Goodell and his boys like Kensil have had an underlying motivation here.

    As time goes on…the REAL truth comes out, and sorry jet fans, you will be disappointed…as Brady had zero to do with all of this.

    Would LOVE to watch Brady sue for defamation..and watch the NFL owners scramble for a new Commissioner…and SQUIRM when the players get much more power than they hold now.

    Brady is the 1 player..who can accomplish that…and watch out when next player contract due

  25. They probably had to start with basic addition and subtraction and work up to high school physics from there. How do NFL refs not know that things expand or contract based on temperature? How?

  26. for Patriots Haters, the process and facts really don’t matter. The only credible result, in their minds, is one that skewers Brady and the Pats.

    Only Brady, Jastremski and McNally truly know what happened. I don’t, you don’t, nobody else does. Yet so many people spout off things like “guilty beyond a shadow of doubt” and “the facts prove he’s guilty”, and yet….there are really only a few known facts here, and about 98% of everything we read, hear or say is speculation.

  27. we’ve heard your ‘compelling’ arguments. “deflator” refers to a weight term, wanting to go to ESPN was just about ratting Tom out for giving them free stuff. Even tho Tom never spoke to JJ or JM he contacted them SIX times after the colts game to console them b/c he is just such a good friend to them. Science has proved or disproved cold air letting out that much PSI but it just so happened to occur in the first half and not the second. The patriots wouldnt let Wells interview JM a second time b/c it was interfering with their day to day lives, and the Patriots and Kraft care so much about JM’s well being that thats why they stopped the interview…………and then fired them a week later so they had zero obligation to ever answer questions from the NFL again. Oh and its completely normal for a man to take all the official balls into the one area without cameras after inspection, i mean no way he coulda taken a leak BEFORE the inspection occurred. All these random coincidences……or just one very basic answer, there was cheating involved.

  28. If it goes to court Goodell loses…badly. Then it’s the beginning of the end for him because he and his Park Ave Hooligans will get smoked. He won’t be here this time next year. Zero games, lift the suspension, you already screwed the team with the lost draft picks and fine. I hope it goes to court however, I want to find out who leaked the info to Mort from the front office, who was speaking to the folks in Indy setting up the sting, why the Commish did not go public when the NFL knew that false inflation info was leaked to ESPN, and best of all; how deep in the sting was the Commish before the SB, even though he has fully (and publicly) denied knowing anything about said sting (ha ha).

  29. While Goodell might make an attempt to plea bargain for himself to avoid court, short of exonerating Brady I think this moves to court – so Brady can have a more impartial arbitrator declare that Goodell, Wells etc are full of crap

    One has to wonder if Kessell has a game plan to call former Jets Prez Mike Kensil, Dean Blandino, who lied about an NFL sting and others, to press them on a league intent on attacking a QB and team that has angered fans and GMs by remaining Dominant for 15 years

  30. There are a lot of bad people running around this country causing misery, mayhem and even death to innocent people. Tom Brady is not one of them! Get this lynch mob mentality out of NFL Football. Oh…… and next time hire a commissioner who really knows the difference between the truth and self-righteous indignation. The league is too big and important not to have a leader with vision, fairness and a clearer idea of what the big picture should look like. So far 2015 is a miserable failure. Free Tom Brady & the New England Patriots.

  31. Cue the haters that will say regardless of testimony or outcome, Brady is still guilty.

    He swore an oath…I realize that promises and celebrities are an oxymoron, but maybe just allow the thought to enter your minds that Brady might be telling the truth on this.

  32. And now we wait. The haters must be chasing their tails right now not being able to stop and think about why they are chasing their tales. Ted Wells looked like his tail was between his legs wondering who hit his nose with a rolled up wells report*. He looked embarrassed after the meeting. Good luck to the defenders of the wells report*!

  33. No one in New England buys the weight loss bs.

    But we can read and we do believe in science

  34. At this point it HAS BEEN PROVEN without a reasonable doubt through legitimate science that the footballs in question WERE NEVER EVEN DEFLATED!

    Game. Set. Match.

    Any other shaky circumstantial evidence means nothing if it’s already been 100% established that NO DEFLATION EVER OCCURRED.

    IF THERE’S NO CRIME, THERE CAN’T BE A COVER UP.

  35. Goodell only has one out in this….and that is to get Wells to throw Exponent under the bus (it’s not really hard to do) and have Wells revise his judgment.

    Then everyone will blame Exponent, and Goodell and Wells come out as unscathed as possible.

  36. I hope Brady takes this to court. Because once he does he opens Pandora’s box with his cell phone records. It won’t matter what he deleted because the phone company keeps everything. I am not so sure Belichick wants Brady to rock the boat because it could lead to multiple people getting subpoena’s for their cell phone records.

  37. Yes…the science was faulty. No…there was not enough control in place to conclude anything from the game day activities. No…I don’t think it affected the outcome of the SB.

    Even so…you just can’t explain those texts! I’ve seen a lot of pro-Patriot arguments about every aspect of Deflategate, but I have yet to see anyone defend the texts. That alone should hang Brady out to dry. He should have just taken the punishment and thanked his lucky stars it wasn’t much worse.

  38. If Goodell goes to the season opener he better go inside an M1 tank. I think his “welcome” will be unprecedented in sports and if he plans to speak he will be drowned out.

    It is not just Patriot fans who have come to hate him he has alienated so many fans throughout his tenure it is time for a major change at the top in the NFL.

  39. Wouldn’t it be great if the final decisions were made based on truth instead of which lawyer presents the most favorable story line? Ahh… Back to reality!

  40. While the NFL on the field is a great product the off the field stuff is making the league tough to follow. Goodell is a complete joke as a commissioner with zero integrity and zero consistency in his actions. He is like a pendulum swinging back and forth. The hiring of Ted Wells and his lark of an investigative process just makes matters worse. An independent investigation paid for by the league is by nature not independent.

    Every organization in the league would be much better off if lead by a player/person with the character of Tom Brady.

  41. Yeah..cause people never lie under oath……SMH

    Goodell should a questioned the 2 deflators. Just offer them more money than the Pats did to keep quiet

  42. Owners will now turn up the heat on Goodell to try to find a nominal penalty against Brady and the Pats to prevent this from going to a higher court. Tom relishes the fight. Kessler undoubtedly utilized the AEI report, and made references to past Goodell penalty gaffes resulting in overzealous, biased initial judgments (Bountygate, Peterson.. now Deflate/Framegate). And then there’s the Jets ferrets within the NFL Death Star following their own agenda, stealing game balls and attempting a frame by not telling both teams in advance. The NFL doesn’t want this dirty laundry aired, and in the end neither does Goodell, because if it the er, NON-deflated football hits the fan, he doesn’t even get to make a semi-graceful exit .

  43. lostsok says:
    Jun 24, 2015 6:05 AM

    Let me guess. Their case came down to “You’re a bunch of jealous haters” and “nyah nyah nyah nyah nah.”
    ———-

    That’s more substantial than what the NFL’s case came down to.

  44. seattlesue427 says:
    Jun 24, 2015 9:22 AM

    Even so…you just can’t explain those texts!

    and yet the Wells report still tried to, by taking them out of context, using speculation and assumptions.

    Wells doesn’t know what exactly they mean anymore than anyone else does. Including you and including me.

  45. I wish Goodell had the stones to suspend that cheating punk for a full season or longer. Other players have been suspended for a year for smoking weed and other off-the-field stuff… shouldn’t on-the-field crimes that affect the integrity game be taken even more seriously?

    The Pats should have been stripped of their title, no question. They wouldn’t have beat the Ravens if the playing field were level and both sides had to use fully inflated balls. (Let’s not pretend Tommy only started cheating the next week.)

    It’s disgusting that Brady is even putting up this phony appeal rather say, “Hey, I got caught cheating, I’ll take my medicine.”

    The only bright side to all of this is that everyone outside of New England now fully understands that everything the Patriots have achieved is ill-gotten and not worthy of recognition.

  46. Even so…you just can’t explain those texts! I’ve seen a lot of pro-Patriot arguments about every aspect of Deflategate, but I have yet to see anyone defend the texts. That alone should hang Brady out to dry. He should have just taken the punishment and thanked his lucky stars it wasn’t muc

    Really which text specifically should hang Brady?

    “Deflate and give someone that jacket”
    “They screwed us the ball was at 16psi”

    They are taking out of context and you can’t judge sarcasm from a text. “I’ll go to ESPN”

  47. Pats fans are funny. Tom is fully exonerated because he testified under oath and apparently it is impossible to lie during this process.

    Nobody has ever lied under oath to save their bacon…ever.

  48. skeldaddy says:
    Jun 24, 2015 5:33 AM
    OMG!!!

    Brady testified yesterday UNDER OATH.

    I thought that the trolls said that would never happen?!?!?!?

    Face reality: Brady did nothing wrong.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Was this oath administered by an officially recognized officer of the Federal, State or Local court system? Because if it wasn’t, then it is basically the same as saying, “We were just studying, mom. I swear.”

  49. man people are stupid. When somebody voluntarily testifies under oath, they have nothing to hide. This whole text message BS is so annoying. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO CAN ALTER THE BALLS WERE THE TWO GUYS WHO THE NFL ALREADY RETREIVED THEIR PHONES. ANY COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THEM AND BRADY HAS BEEN REVIEWED. Stop saying that him not turning over his texts is the smoking gun, it makes you sound like an idiot.

  50. “I completely failed in presenting my case, and my client is sure to lose.”

    Said no lawyer, ever.

  51. And can PFT crybabies stop with the “everybody outside of NE” crap.

    They just ran another poll on NFL Network last night and 86% said this would NOT affect Brady’s legacy.

    The tide has turned crybabies. It’s only the same lame handful of the regular PFT commenters that troll every Patriot article

  52. #1 AEI didnt ‘prove’ anything, they said they couldnt duplicate the Well’s reports math. Their OPINION is that weather “could” have done this. At no point whatsoever did they say its impossible for a person to have deflated balls.

    #2 If this is just weather related, how have we never heard of this before? Every QB on earth can tell the difference with 2 PSI less. So lets take Lambeau Field, way colder than NE. Never once has Aaron (who loves fully inflated balls) grabbed a ball in the 3rd or 4th quarter, felt the obviously lower PSI and said “hey can we refill these? they are getting low”. Never once has that ever happened. Eli deflated a ball to 10.5 to check it out, his response “theres a difference, a noticeable difference”. Every qb can tell the difference, yet no QB has ever asked to refill a ball due to the weather deflating it. Wierd.

  53. Those of you who are so sure of Brady’s guilt –
    Aside from the obvious problems with physics that the Wells report has, does it bother you that the NFL “leaked” a lie about the pressure being 2 pounds low? How can that not make you question everything that they are claiming?

  54. I am a huge Tom Brady fan! He is the best QB all time in my opinion. Also I don’t like the Patriots I am an Eagles fan.

    Did Brady do it? Yeah, he probably did

    Should he be suspended? Hell no because I bet the majority of the teams do it. They are just using him as a fall guy when I bet about 90% of QBs in the league have it done.

    People need to stop hating on the Patriots they win and they have class. Unlike Dallas or Seahawks which are good teams just no class. Patriots won regardless of ball pressure lol and for that guy that tries to post fumble stats from the ball pressure your an idiot lol. You make me laugh. Everyone wants Patriots to look bad because the punk our teams all the time and always win.

  55. exhelodrvr says:
    Jun 24, 2015 11:01 AM

    It was a false report yes. Just like when we hear about a player being traded and it doesnt happen. NFL cant control every bit of news that is released. Did they screw up? YES. Does that have ANY affect on the patriots cheating? NO. Does that one report make the balls boys refer to themselves as deflators? Or talk about going to ESPN about brady? Did it make Tom refuse to show his pone? NO. All your doing is deflecting from the main issue. If this punishment was based off the initial report of 2 lbs under then ok, be mad. But a completely separate investigation that lasted 3 months determined Brady to be guilty. So quit crying about one initial report that has no bearing on the case.

  56. letsgobuffalo4 says:
    Jun 24, 2015 10:52 AM
    #1 AEI didnt ‘prove’ anything, they said they couldnt duplicate the Well’s reports math. Their OPINION is that weather “could” have done this. At no point whatsoever did they say its impossible for a person to have deflated balls.

    #2 If this is just weather related, how have we never heard of this before? Every QB on earth can tell the difference with 2 PSI less. So lets take Lambeau Field, way colder than NE. Never once has Aaron (who loves fully inflated balls) grabbed a ball in the 3rd or 4th quarter, felt the obviously lower PSI and said “hey can we refill these? they are getting low”. Never once has that ever happened. Eli deflated a ball to 10.5 to check it out, his response “theres a difference, a noticeable difference”. Every qb can tell the difference, yet no QB has ever asked to refill a ball due to the weather deflating it. Wierd.

    Wrong AEI said they could not duplicate the science. If you can’t duplicate it then it is flawed.

    Second

    NONE of the balls were 2 psi below. So the Eli Manning test doent matter none of the Patriots balls were at 10psi.

  57. The public tuned out on this topic a week after the report came out. The damage is done. My mom (and millions like her) now thinks Brady is a cheater because that’s what they told her on Good Mourning America.

    Brady’s legacy will forever be tainted regardless of how many games he is suspended. He needs to just put it behind him and move on. He’s still one of the best of all time, has more money than God, and is married to a supermodel. He will be fine.

    The majority of sports fans thought the Patriots were cheaters before all this happened, and deflategate only further cemented that fact in their minds. Nothing is ever gonna change that at this point. Pats fans still have the banners though, and the players still have their rings. So ultimately what does it matter that the majority of fans think they Cheated? Just move on already!

  58. letsgobuffalo,
    The league should have made a statement immediately that that was inaccurate information. Clearly they let it sit because they thought that it helped their case.

    THAT is the biggest problem with this, and is much more significant than what happened, or didn’t happen, with the pressure in the footballs.

    Brady surrendering his phone:
    1) Was not necessary, since the messages were already available from the phones on the other end
    2) Sets a horrible precedent for the league’s treatment of players in future investigations. As one of the premier players in the league, he is aware of the weight that would be attached to him doing that, and the RIGHT thing is for him to not surrender his phone.

  59. flash1287 says:
    Jun 24, 2015 11:09 AM

    Just b/c they couldnt duplicate it doesnt mean its impossible. And also, even if they said weather can alter a ball- did they say 100% the exact temperature difference equaled the exact PSI drop? NOPE. Also, yes one ball was a full 2 PSI lower, the rest were under legal limit, just not a full 2PSI. How do pats fans have so much to say without ever actually reading any reports? Drew Brees was on a talk show and they handed him balls, he gripped them and said the EXACT psi. Wierd how QB’s can tell u the exact PSI but brady doesnt notice any difference, even tho the ball boys said he was EXTREMELY picky about how his balls were.

  60. flash1287 says:
    Jun 24, 2015 11:09 AM

    And again, if there was a noticeable drop in PSI in NE then at Lambeau it has to be even more since its so much colder there. And yet Rodgers has never once mentioned any ball every being below the full 13.5 PSI that he loves. They know exactly how they like their balls, any change at all they know about, not one single QB has said otherwise. Somehow Brady didnt notice the deflation of the balls due to “weather” and then he claims he never noticed when the re-inflated them. He claimed he never even heard about this deflation thing until the NEXT day. No one mentioned to him about all this?!?! He couldnt feel a deflation then re inflation? Seems odd for a guys who’s life depends on these balls

  61. “Just b/c they couldnt duplicate it doesnt mean its impossible”

    Which do you think is more likely –

    1) That they wouldn’t be able to duplicate the temperature/pressure combinations in a controlled, lab environment or

    2) That the very vague Wells report, which acknowledges a number of inconsistencies and items that they aren’t sure of, is incorrect

  62. exhelodrvr says:
    Jun 24, 2015 11:24 AM

    #1- u think the league is ‘against’ the pats and tryinig to frame them? Kraft is the biggest Goodell supporter out there and has been the FIRST to back him in every punishment he has given out. He also was one of 3 owners to fight to give him 44 mil/yr. And you think they are ‘out to get the pats’? Take the tin foil off ur head.

    #2- i dont care if they had JM or JJ’s phones, what if Tommy boy texted someone else involved? Another equipment guy, or even Kraft or Bill. There could have been others involved- in which case Tom has every reason to hide his phone

    #3 this “precedent” thing is the biggest load of BS ive ever heard. Its Lawyer crap to cover his clients buttt. If your innocent then u have nothing to hide, period. You COOPERATE with the investigation. No need to deny or hide anything.

  63. Just b/c they couldnt duplicate it doesnt mean its impossible.
    ===
    Actually, that’s exactly what it means. That’s how scientists and researchers call one another mistaken or liars.

  64. #2- i dont care if they had JM or JJ’s phones, what if Tommy boy texted someone else involved? Another equipment guy, or even Kraft or Bill. There could have been others involved- in which case Tom has every reason to hide his phone
    ===
    Any phone that Kraft or BB have (especially if a NEP-owned phone) would have been examined by Wells. They’re team employees like JM and JJ, thus the league can compel them to surrender your phone.

  65. smasonsmith says:
    Jun 24, 2015 11:36 AM

    no one knows what temperature the air was when the balls were inflated. Its IMPOSSIBLE to say weather did or did not cause this. If this was a simple science formula we would have an answer one way or the other, not “well i think it could happen” and “no i dont think the weather could have done that”.

  66. So all these people are WRONG when they said AEI and then Science magazine and head smart labs all proved the science used in the Wells report was wrong.

    based on more than 100 pages of mathematical analysis of ball pressurization . . . that turns out to be erroneous. The AEI’s report totally rejects the finding that the footballs used by the Patriots in the AFC championship game had a significant drop in air pressure compared with those used by the Colts. But the truly damning sentence is this one, buried in its erudite phrasings and equations: “The Wells report’s statistical analysis cannot be replicated by performing the analysis as described in the report,” the AEI concludes
    Basically, the math didn’t add up. It’s a standard principle in science: If you can’t replicate a set of results, then there is a problem with it. A flaw or a fraud is at work. Either you made a mistake, or you made it up.

  67. exhelodrvr says:
    Jun 24, 2015 11:33 AM

    we have NO idea what temp the air was when the balls were inflated. According to wells report they couldnt find a case where the temperature could deflate a ball that much in that time. Has AEI found a solution to this? Have they said “if balls were inflated with this temp air, and then outside air dropped X amt of degrees then the result is a 1.5 PSI drop”. Have they????? They seem to be sure WElls report is wrong but cannot come up with an actual answer. Also there were a lot of CORRECT things in Wells report. And ofcourse the most glaring issue- brady not cooperating. If this was a real investigation and an investigator came to your house and asked u questions and u kept pleading the 5th, your immediate a suspect.

  68. no one knows what temperature the air was when the balls were inflated. Its IMPOSSIBLE to say weather did or did not cause this.
    ===
    At which point this charade should have ended. If you don’t know initial conditions, you can’t begin to discuss what expected conditions after IGL transitions should be.

    That said: it’s probably a safe assumption that the balls were near room temperature (72 F) when Walt Anderson initially gauged them pregame with either the logo or non-logo gauge. If that’s the case and he used the gauge he remembered using, a simple scientific formula says that it was the weather. Go over to Rochester and ask someone smarter than yourself.

  69. smasonsmith says:
    Jun 24, 2015 11:55 AM

    Ok well in Well’s opinion temp coulndt have done it, in AEI’s it maybe could have. Neither proves a dang thing. Lets look at all the other evidence, texts, they fact that the ball boys wanted to go to ESPN about brady (for what reason!?!?!?), brady contacting them 6 times after the game even tho he never contacts them. The nicknames. THe refusing to show his phone. Plenty of other reasons other than science to show guilt. Now NFL made a ruling, its brady’s lawyer to figure without a doubt he is innocent. And saying “well we coulndt duplicate the science, which is just one part of the reason he is guilty” is not nearly enough.

  70. how can anybody after reading the report and getting to the faulty gauges and the curly moe and larry Refs that did the psi reading on ..oh which gauge …who knows , this BS should of been thrown out once they got to that part !!!!

  71. Ok well in Well’s opinion temp coulndt have done it, in AEI’s it maybe could have. Neither proves a dang thing. Lets look at all the other evidence…
    ===
    No. Just stop. If you can’t prove that any deflation occurred you can’t even attempt to prove a conspiracy or a cover-up. Wells/Exponent produced a poor report that can’t even prove that the balls were deflated. In fact even that report indicates that if WA used the miscalibrated gauge pregame, it’s more likely than not that no one did anything. The rest of that is pointless noise in light of the lack of an original crime.

    I get that you really, really, really, want someone to have done something wrong, but face it: no one let any air out of those footballs that day.

  72. letsgobuffalo4 says:
    Jun 24, 2015 11:59 AM
    smasonsmith says:
    Jun 24, 2015 11:55 AM

    Ok well in Well’s opinion temp coulndt have done it, in AEI’s it maybe could have. Neither proves a dang thing. Lets look at all the other evidence, texts, they fact that the ball boys wanted to go to ESPN about brady (for what reason!?!?!?), brady contacting them 6 times after the game even tho he never contacts them. The nicknames. THe refusing to show his phone. Plenty of other reasons other than science to show guilt. Now NFL made a ruling, its brady’s lawyer to figure without a doubt he is innocent. And saying “well we coulndt duplicate the science, which is just one part of the reason he is guilty” is not nearly enough.

    –/
    No not ONLY AEI also science weekly, Head Smart Labbs and an avid BILLS fan (self admitted) from B U. Not to mention every 7 th grade science teacher in the country.

    Stop referring to the text. Again how do you know ” I’ll do to ESPN” isn’t sarcasm? You don’t.

    And how is it out of the question that he contact them. (He only contacted one)
    He just found out there was some kind of investigation going on. Is it unusual that he would call and say “hey what’s going on” whether it’s 1 time or 10 times

    Is it possible his job was to DEFLATE the balls when they came out of the box?

    There isn’t one text that proves Brady told them to do anything.

  73. Why did the Pats suspend the equipment guys if everyone is innocent? No matter which way you twist it self entitled Pats fans this still doesn’t make any sense.

  74. The NE Cheaters are still using the “if you don’t have a video, than we didn’t cheat” defense’.

    Obviously they are delusional. Please explain how only the Cheater’s ball were underinflated? Yup, knew you weren’t smart enough to figure that out. In a court of law, it’s called circumstantial evidence, which is just another version of ” more probable than not”. For you NE Cheater fans who can’t read or reason, it means pointing indirectly at someone’s guilt, without conclusively proving it.

    But they are always in denial, or have their collective heads where there is a lack of sunshine or intelligent life.

  75. j huber says:
    Jun 24, 2015 12:32 PM
    The NE Cheaters are still using the “if you don’t have a video, than we didn’t cheat” defense’.

    -//

    Yeah, I actually haven’t seen that anywhere.

    But keep up the good fight little guy.

  76. Why did the Pats suspend the equipment guys if everyone is innocent? No matter which way you twist it self entitled Pats fans this still doesn’t make any sense.
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    The NFL suspended them, and only the NFL can reinstate them.

  77. Brady gets what Brady wants no matter if it’s right or wrong… Just ask the raiders.

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    Why do people think the Patriots has anything to do with the Tuck Rule? It was the refs that made that call, the Patriots were just the beneficiary of a very dubious rule and call.

    Also, you think Brady had anything to do with that call as a first year starter? That he had any influence at that point in his career? No way.

  78. #2- i dont care if they had JM or JJ’s phones, what if Tommy boy texted someone else involved? Another equipment guy, or even Kraft or Bill. There could have been others involved- in which case Tom has every reason to hide his phone
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    Heres the problem I have with this: Wells said that he was allowing Brady’s attorney’s to hand over the pertinent text messages. Well, how do you know what ones are pertinent or not without seeing the entire list of texts? Did he ask just for JJ and JM? Or did he also request any texts from BB and Kraft and any other employee of the Pats? How was this request made?

    You cannot determine what is pertinent without determining who you are saying is pertinent to the investigation.

  79. joker65 says:
    Jun 24, 2015 2:11 PM

    pertinent to deflating balls- does not matter who its to. Whether its to BB, or Kraft or tom’s own mother. Wells specifically said “i dont want your phone, i want your team to look through your phone and pull out ANYTHING pertinent to deflating or the preparation of the balls. If you come back and say there was nothing in there then ok, if you have something then tell us. Brady’s problem is what if they say there is absolutely nothing but Wells found something on his own? Then Brady’s camp is flat out liars. Or what if brady’s camp gave him info and it turns out its something Wells didnt have? Then they just helped Wells. So unless ur just being honest, then it could screw u either way. But the fact is, if you havent done anything wrong, then show ur phone. And pats fans stop saying that b/c they had JJ and JM’s WORK phones that they have every bit of info possible already. Thats prob the dumbest defense ive heard from pats fans.

  80. flash1287 says:
    Jun 24, 2015 12:44 PM
    j huber says:
    Jun 24, 2015 12:32 PM
    The NE Cheaters are still using the “if you don’t have a video, than we didn’t cheat” defense’.

    -//

    Yeah, I actually haven’t seen that anywhere.

    But keep up the good fight little guy.

    ———————

    Hey little buddy, he didnt mean that literally. What he means is there is a ton of evidence and you ppl dont seem to see the truth yet. So you basically need a text from JJ saying “i have been deflating balls after inspection below the legal amt b/c tom brady asked me to” or you need a video of it happening before u can see the truth. Plenty of evidence out there, u just keep making up crazy excuses. Like Deflator referring to weight. Ive never heard that before in my life.

  81. Thats prob the dumbest defense ive heard from pats fans.
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    It’s still better than, “No deflation occurred, but suspend Brady anyway.”

  82. Tom Brady is clearly innocent. Deflategate was a trumped up witch hunt and it will serve as the event that ultimately leads to Goodell’s departure.
    Tom Brady is simply the greatest QB of all time. He has carried himself both on and off the field with distinction. Ted Wells should be ashamed that he deliberately besmirched his good name and will face ridicule for the rest of his career.
    Nothing less than complete exoneration is acceptable.

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