Transcript of Brady hearing won’t be released, yet

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Transparency apparently has its limits.

During the investigation and initial discipline phase of #DeflateGate, the NFL was committed to making all relevant information available for public scrutiny. Now that the process has progressed to an appeal of quarterback Tom Brady’s four-game suspension, the transcript of the proceedings won’t be released.

Yet.

“There is a confidentiality agreement in place,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told PFT via email on Tuesday night. This means that neither the NFL nor Brady will be disclosing the document containing everything said by all lawyers, witnesses, and Commissioner Roger Goodell during Tuesday’s marathon session in Manhattan.

The confidentiality agreement likely will go out the window, if/when Brady and the NFL Players Association file a lawsuit against the NFL challenging the outcome of the appeal process. At that point, the transcript will become Exhibit A to the civil complaint kicking off the court case. Unless the presiding judge agrees to seal all documents (and there’s no reason for any judge to do that, especially with the 243-page Ted Wells report already in the public domain), there’s a good chance the media eventually will have a chance to study a document much longer than the 243-page Ted Wells report.

Which, for that reason alone, should make anyone in the media think twice about hoping that the transcript eventually will be released. Or maybe we could just develop opinions on the transcript without, you know, reading it.

124 responses to “Transcript of Brady hearing won’t be released, yet

  1. “Which, for that reason alone, should make anyone in the media think twice about hoping that the transcript eventually will be released. Or maybe we could just develop opinions on the transcript without, you know, reading it.”

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    Love it…this pertains to all the haters….give their opinions without actually reading the article or knowing the facts.

  2. Heres whats funny: Someday 50 years from now some Pats fans grandchild will ask about Deflategate and when they ask why there was a guy nicknamed the “Deflator” the answer will be – “oh him? yea he was trying to lose weight at the time.”

  3. I would like to see this transcript.

    I would also like to see the transcripts of the Brady/Wells, McNally/Wells and Jastremski /Wells interviews.

    Releasing that information would be one way for the NFL to prove whether or not the Wells Investigation was conduced with a predetermined conclusion.

    I highly doubt any of these transcripts will be released though.

    #NoBradyNoBanner
    #GivethePicksBack

  4. Goodell has managed to paint himself completely in a corner. The Wells report holds less water than a sieve, so trying to uphold the suspension as-is will make him look like a fool, especially when the specious assumptions it makes get exposed in open court.

    Rescinding or reducing the suspension will make it look like he cut a quid pro quo deal with Kraft to get Brady off the hook and expose him to ridicule from all the Brady haters drooling with blood-lust.

    His best move at this point is probably to just throw Ted Wells under the bus with both arms and rescind not just Brady’s suspension, but also the draft picks and fines imposed on the Patriots franchise. Haters won’t be happy, but it gives him a convenient scapegoat by claiming that Wells mislead the league instead of trying to stick to his guns and getting humiliated yet again in court.

  5. Don’t need to see it. Didn’t need to see the Wells report. The team and in particular BB and Brady have a proven track record of cheating.

  6. The fact that the Patriots haters refuse to read the Wells Report In Context – let alone the joke of a Wells Report itself – tells you all you need to know. They confuse opinions with facts and still spout the “11 of 12” nonsense leaked by the NFL over the four months they KNEW the footballs were not deflated

    Goodell was banking on most NFL fans being too jealous and jaded of Brady and the Patriots to pay attention to logic when they embarked on this failed incompetent sting operation

    He hoped most NFL fans would be gullible enough to accept a theory that the laws of physics and best recollection of his own officials are irrelevant football in an effort to change the headlines from “Goodell is Incompetent” over the Rice and Peterson situations to “Goodell is a Genius”

    Goodell was right. Most NFL fans ARE that gullible.

    But when Brady takes this to court the “Goodell is Incompetent” headlines are sure to re-appear

  7. .
    At this point, the NFL might just as well create a transcript, release it to Chris Mortenson, post it on it’s own website, promote it on its own network, encourage other media outlets to trust its veracity, go on Charlie Rose and swear to it and wait for the sheep to say BAAAAA.

    Pulitzer Prizes for Journalistic Excellence to Boomer Esiason and Sally Jenkins.
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  8. I would think Brady’s phone would be Exhibit A…does each side get their own exhibit list?

  9. I’m sure the anti-Patriots crowd will read this transcript as thoroughly and diligently as they did the Wells Report. And by that I mean they’ll skip to the end, read the “conclusion” page, and then go on to make up the rest of the other “facts” as it suits their low-hanging fruit “cheaters”, “tainted”, and “asterisk” arguments. This whole process has become a sad commentary on the intelligence and critical thinking capabilities of the average American.

  10. jimmyt says:
    Jun 24, 2015 8:33 AM
    Don’t need to see it. Didn’t need to see the Wells report. The team and in particular BB and Brady have a proven track record of cheating.

    _______________________
    A history? Explain.

  11. Love that elbow thrown at Russo. He’s been a complete carnival barker on this whole episode.

    Here’s a question for Florio: is it normal for players to testify under oath in a mere NFL investigation? As we are constantly reminded, this isn’t a court. If Brady volunteered to this, or agreed to it as an extra step, that makes his testimony doubly credible. Lying under oath is a crime no matter where it is done. No way he is risking that here.

  12. jimmyt says: Jun 24, 2015 8:33 AM

    Don’t need to see it. Didn’t need to see the Wells report. The team and in particular BB and Brady have a proven track record of cheating.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That says everything you need to know about this whole controversy. Sensationalized news + Contrived Scandal + Morons = NFL News Machine

  13. “During the investigation and initial discipline phase of #DeflateGate, the NFL was committed to making all relevant information available for public scrutiny”

    Really? it took until the Wells report came out prove that Mort’s 11 out of 12 footballs” farce was wrong, and even Kraft had to sign a non-disclosure agreement to find out the real PSI 2 months after the halftime testing was done. I’m not sure how you determine that meets the standard of “the NFL was committed to making all relevant information available for public scrutiny”….it sure doesn’t in my book.

  14. “ctattles says:
    Jun 24, 2015 8:21 AM
    Heres whats funny: Someday 50 years from now some Pats fans grandchild will ask about Deflategate and when they ask why there was a guy nicknamed the “Deflator” the answer will be – “oh him? yea he was trying to lose weight at the time.””

    No, they will say that’s because his job included getting the game balls ready for use. Tom Brady, the greatest QB in the NFL, had very specific requirements for how he liked the ball. McNally’s job was to make sure the balls were all at 12.5 PSI for that game and when the balls came out of the box they were at 13, so one time a co-worker joked that his job was “the deflator.”

  15. elyasm says:
    Jun 24, 2015 8:23 AM

    His best move at this point is probably to just throw Ted Wells under the bus with both arms and rescind not just Brady’s suspension, but also the draft picks and fines imposed on the Patriots franchise. Haters won’t be happy, but it gives him a convenient scapegoat by claiming that Wells mislead the league instead of trying to stick to his guns and getting humiliated yet again in court.

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    In my opinion, Goodell’s best move is to get in cahoots with Wells, and have Wells throw Exponent under the bus (it’s not really difficult to do, either). That way Wells can formulate a revised opinion, and Goodell can point to that. And everyone will blame Exponent.

  16. Roger the Dodger will have an 18 page blank sheet when he releases the transcripts (in the spirit of Watergate)

  17. “He works very hard, and his intention is very good,” Kraft said of Goodell. “And he’s looking out for the long-term interest of the NFL. He has my full support.”

  18. Just wondering why Tom Brady and his team have never said “I DIDN”T DO IT”
    Why attack the Wells findings by saying it’s not credibile?
    Why say the NFL doesn’t have the authority to suspend him?
    Why say the suspnsion is inconsitent with past suspensions?
    Why not simply say, I am innocent of this.

    People who are innocent say they are innocent, they don’t hide. They go out of their way to prove their innocence. Brady and his team have gone out of their way to discredit the report. “If the needle doesn’t fit, you must acquit”

    Did the NFL and Wells screw up? Yes, they probably should have used stronger language in the report. And they probably should have turned over their findings to the police to have them investigate possible Bribery charges against Brady for bribing the deflator to, umm, lose weight…

  19. Question number one – were the Patriot balls in the AFC Championship game deflated?

    Science says NO. Case closed. All of the peripheral BS is just irrelevant noise.

  20. disorien says:
    Jun 24, 2015 8:58 AM

    Belichick is a modern day Red Auerbach. He is in the mind of players, coaches, owners, pundits and fans. Legendary..

    ———–

    My two favorite Red Auerbach quotes:

    – when asked “is winning everything?” Red responded “why else would you keep score?”

    and

    Red: “show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser”

  21. Between the fact that Russo is right in that King needs access to these sports figures, which would color his so-called journalistic integrity, and the fact that King is a well-known Pats-homer to begin with, I wasn’t impressed with the interview at all. Russo loses points on the screaming, even though that’s part of his schtick, but King seemed like the usual apologist you see here…willing to make one detail seem like the heart of the issue when it’s not, then knock the straw-man down and claim victory. I haven’t bothered with his site in a while because that’s basically what I figured it would be like until this entire issue is dealt with and he proved me right.

  22. The funny thing about Brady filing a lawsuit is that by the time it even gets to the courts, he will have already served his suspension. The only thing he might get is his fine back, but even a court of law would find him guilty, so that is unlikely.

  23. “paulrevereshorse1775 says:
    Jun 24, 2015 9:01 AM
    elyasm says:
    Jun 24, 2015 8:23 AM

    His best move at this point is probably to just throw Ted Wells under the bus with both arms and rescind not just Brady’s suspension, but also the draft picks and fines imposed on the Patriots franchise. Haters won’t be happy, but it gives him a convenient scapegoat by claiming that Wells mislead the league instead of trying to stick to his guns and getting humiliated yet again in court.

    ———-

    In my opinion, Goodell’s best move is to get in cahoots with Wells, and have Wells throw Exponent under the bus (it’s not really difficult to do, either). That way Wells can formulate a revised opinion, and Goodell can point to that. And everyone will blame Exponent.”


    The problem with that is Exponent did exactly what they were paid to do: Obfuscate the science. If they get blamed for this, I’d imagine documents would start leaking from Exponent showing that Wells asked for a guilty verdict at all costs

  24. This is convenient for the NFL. Anything remotely damaging to the league should not be out there in the public domain. But anything making the Patriots or Brady look bad is fair game.
    Remember they did not refute the Chris Mortensen report of 11 of 12 balls were 2 PSI under the limit. To date the NFL has not refuted that and they also ordered the Patriots not to disclose the actual half time PSI measurements before the Wells report was published.
    And we still have people out there believing that the NFL was not out to get the Pats. It is clear as day the NFL had an agenda all along.

  25. why not just say “I didn’t do this, I am Innocent”???

    why look for loop holes?

    why try to find errors in the process?

  26. Quit your crying. Take the 4 games and ride out. I want Brady exposed if he sues.

  27. Meanwhile in Denver, the Broncos are sad that they haven’t found a taker for the 15 million dollar man, Money Bags Manning.

  28. There similarities in the rush to judgments of media reading a conclusion page of the Freeh Report written against Joe Paterno and the Wells report written against Brady/deflategate are almost identical. Both written and paid for by respective parties with a predetermined outcome, both filled with weak facts, evidence and reasonable conclusions and both taken as the bible by fans and media who chose not to read the content yet laughed at and mocked by professionals and experts who actually read them.

    Control the media, control the outcome.

  29. The problem with that is Exponent did exactly what they were paid to do: Obfuscate the science. If they get blamed for this, I’d imagine documents would start leaking from Exponent showing that Wells asked for a guilty verdict at all costs
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    This is dumb. Wells would get paid regardless of the outcome. You act like there is no evidence whatsoever. I bet you believe Kraft’s ridiculous assertion about weight loss too?

    Kraft caving in also says a lot.

  30. “idranj says:
    Jun 24, 2015 9:20 AM
    why not just say “I didn’t do this, I am Innocent”???

    why look for loop holes?

    why try to find errors in the process?”

    You mean like when he said on Jan 22: “I didn’t alter the ball in any way…. ” I would never do anything to break the rules. I believe in fair play and I respect the league and everything they’re doing to try to create a very competitive playing field for all the NFL teams….I have no knowledge of anything. I have no knowledge of any wrongdoing…”

    Free your mind. Stop believing what others are telling you he said/didn’t say.

  31. Or this: “I like them at the way that I like them, which is at 12.5. To me, that’s a perfect grip for the football. I think that particular term, deflated or inflated, whatever norm you’re using, you could probably use. I would never do anything outside of the rules of play. I would never have someone do something that I thought was outside the rules.”

  32. There similarities in the rush to judgments of media reading a conclusion page of the Freeh Report written against Joe Paterno and the Wells report written against Brady/deflategate are almost identical.
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    Rush to judgement??? It took almost 5 months.

  33. “Q: We’re you surprised when you heard those footballs had been deflated by two pounds?

    TB: Absolutely. That was very surprising to me.”

    Do you see the problem here? He was accused of personally deflating 11 balls by 2 PSI. He was responding to accusations that were UNTRUE!? and he said (essentially) “I have no idea what’s going on.”

    Now 6 months later, people are saying they thought he sounded wishy washy responding to charges that were a fantasy by someone in the league office. he denied knowing anything. what else was he supposed to do? he had no idea what happens to the balls after he releases them to the league hours before the game

  34. If Russo didn’t read the report then he probably doesn’t know that Brady went off on the ball guys- probably overboard- when the footballs were found to be way overinflated by the ref after having played a game against the Jets [coincidence or not that it was them].
    McNally calling himself a deflator once or maybe twice might be the vernacular used when it’s in the job description of inflating and deflating footballs. Not that crazy.
    Wells took the one text and repeated it some 50 times for effect in the report.
    That’s what they have on Brady, Russo.
    They certainly don’t have the footballs themselves, which were as expected when tested at halftime.
    4/10 of 1 PSI is what we’re talking about. That’s it!
    The fact that the Colts footballs had warmed longer the Pats’ footballs could account for that, um, not so huge amount of PSI.

  35. “ariani1985 says:
    Jun 24, 2015 9:23 AM
    The problem with that is Exponent did exactly what they were paid to do: Obfuscate the science. If they get blamed for this, I’d imagine documents would start leaking from Exponent showing that Wells asked for a guilty verdict at all costs
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    This is dumb. Wells would get paid regardless of the outcome. You act like there is no evidence whatsoever. I bet you believe Kraft’s ridiculous assertion about weight loss too?

    Kraft caving in also says a lot.”


    Exponent exists to come up with fishy scientific reports to support one side of a legal case. That’s who they are. That’s what they do. This is not controversial.

    Kraft caving says a lot, indeed. It says that as an owner he has no recourse other than to work to fire the commissioner. It also says he knew how strong Brady’s case is and that, ultimately, the truth will become so obvious to everyone that the charges will be dropped and the penalties on Brady and the team will have to be overturned. He did the smart thing.

  36. There will be nothing interesting to read in such a transcript.

    He can claim that he dindu nuffin, that the fired former Patriot employees dindu nuffin, and that the Wells report is incorrect because there is no video or eye witnesses.

    It won’t change a thing. Whining never does.

    No one remembers any particularly play he made because nothing stands out except the scandals.

    His legacy is the tuck rule scandal, the spying video scandal, and the equipment tampering scandal.

  37. shadywarrior says:
    Jun 24, 2015 8:42 AM
    I’m sure the anti-Patriots crowd will read this transcript as thoroughly and diligently as they did the Wells Report. And by that I mean they’ll skip to the end, read the “conclusion” page, and then go on to make up the rest of the other “facts” as it suits their low-hanging fruit “cheaters”, “tainted”, and “asterisk” arguments. This whole process has become a sad commentary on the intelligence and critical thinking capabilities of the average American.

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    This. And also, this entire narrative is a sad commentary on the independence and critical thinking capabilities of the American sports “press.” Far too many reporters and columnists immediately and unthinkingly cast their lot in with the official NFL word, for fear of upsetting the gravy train that gets them access to all the hot events and inside sources or upsetting self-hating fans who prefer to believe lies about a good team rather than ask hard questions of the mediocre football teams in their own markets.

    Exceptions like Florio and Riess and Jenkins have been refreshing simply by applying normal journalistic practices to the inflow of half-truths, lies and prevarications oozing out of 345 Park Avenue.

    And where is the accountability? The next time ESPN apologizes to its web site readers for the lies that have gone out under its reporters’ names will be the first time. It’s almost as if ESPN has gotten so bloated, so incestuously embedded as a P.R. arm of the NFL that it has entirely forgotten its duty to the truth. It is well past time for ESPN to review its policies for printing anonymous statements. If an ombudsman were still on the staff, he or she would be waist deep in items to tackle on this story.

    I don’t expect knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing partisan fans from other markets to ever look at this story objectively, but I do expect that from sports journalists. Even now, it’s not too late.

  38. The fact is that none of this nonsense would have happened if the Patriots footballs deflated at the same level as the Colts footballs. The science behind deflation took up more than half of the Wells report and if the texts were what really matters, why did Exponent, the testing firm, have the ENTIRE conclusion based on results that cannot be replicated using their methods. Was it intentional? In other words fraud or just incompetence? How can they so thoroughly screw up the entire scientific basis of the report and then conclude the Patriots cheated?

    You really need to forget the texts all that matters to PROVE tampering is a difference in deflation levels. However in this case there is a simple scientific explanation that fits all of the data – the Colts footballs WERE gauged later during halftime after they had a chance to heat up thereby producing a smaller drop in PSI than the Patriots footballs. That is it in a nutshell. Unlike the the Wells report it fits, physics, the fact that they ran out of time to gauge all of the footballs and it also fits what the Wells report glosses over, The 12th Patriots football, the one that was intercepted, was gauged by the Colts 3 times with a different gauge than was used by the refs. The PSIs all differed BUT all were 100% within the range projected by the ideal gas law. In other words PROOF of no tampering.

    Feel free to continue to believe that the Patriots cheated if it fits your bias, however the NFL hasn’t proved tampering because it can’t!!

  39. quizlingclinic says:
    Jun 24, 2015 9:16 AM

    The problem with that is Exponent did exactly what they were paid to do: Obfuscate the science. If they get blamed for this, I’d imagine documents would start leaking from Exponent showing that Wells asked for a guilty verdict at all costs

    ————

    one could certainly speculate that. I guess it would all depend on the correspondence between the parties. It seems clear that Wells’ team led Exponent down a certain road. For example, on page 44 of Exponent’s report, the first sentence under “Pre-Game Gauge: Logo vs. Non-Logo” Exponent indicates that Wells’ firm told them there was uncertainty over which gauge Anderson used pre-game, even though Anderson said the Logo gauge. And Exponent mentions this uncertainy two more times on the same page.

    I get the sense that in part, Exponent was covering their own butt in doing so. However it doesn’t say (or maybe I should say I don’t remember it saying) whether Wells’ team asked Exponent to try to determine which gauge was most likely used. Both reports mention that Wells asked Exponent to consider all possibilities.

    I tend to doubt that Wells’ team came right out and made an expectation of proving guilt by Exponent……I believe it is more likely that Wells’ team led Exponent in that direction without explicitly saying it.

    However, I can only speculate.

  40. Roger The Clown will either vacate the suspension or give him 1 game with some limp wristed mumbling about non cooperation.

    Either way… the Super Bowl MVP and undisputed GOAT quarterback WILL tell him to go pound sand and this WILL go to court to one and for all expose the rot and the stench in that front office. These people there need to be taught a lesson.

    Perhaps next time we’ll see a little more humility from the league, a little less insulting OUR intelligence as NFL fans, and more respect for US, the fans that pay their salaries.

  41. “The fact is that none of this nonsense would have happened if the Patriots footballs deflated at the same level as the Colts footballs.”

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    Exactly. Unfortunately all those footballs were in the same climate conditions. And then when you throw in the texts, and other evidence including disappearing with the footballs and text messages, it is clear that they tampered with them.

  42. .
    All this time we’ve been talking about Brady suing the NFL in federal court, when we should have been talking about Brady suing Exponent. Their erroneous report cost him 1.8 million in salary alone. Brady could obtain the Wells communiques via the discovery process and use it in any further action against the NFL, ESPN, ABC, other media outlets, Goodell, Wells, Vincent, Kensil, Blandino, Gardi, Harbaugh, Pagano, Grigson, Mortenson, and Kravitz,

    BTW – These league lackeys listed above are overpaid “Roger Groupies” who have big salaries, big titles but in actuality accomplish nothing at their jobs every day and make zero contribution to anything meaningful.. They’re nothing more than ” super zebras” who are owned body and soul by former PR man Roger Goodell, America’s Rasputin.
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  43. If Brady is indeed innocent of asking for illegal tampering, and if he and his team gave compelling answers and presented compelling supportive materials yesterday, then he and his team have Goodell in a vice that is stronger than many think — particularly if there is a full transcript of what went down yesterday.

    Many commentators write as if, once Goodell rules, Brady’s only options are fight it out in court for months, even years, and probably lose (because of the deference judges give to arbitration) OR just accept whatever Goodell does — likely some half assed compromise.

    But having never played the publicity card before now, that card remains a potent weapon for the Brady team. If even one game of a suspension remains, then media attention will reach another fever pitch at the Foxboro opener, complete with Pats fans carrying signs denouncing the NFL and a refusal by the Patriots and Mr. Kraft to unfurl the Super Bowl banner without Brady present (I think Kraft would have to refuse or lose face with fans.) Brady would have the option of using his off week to give a lengthy press interview making his case for innocence — not what the NFL wants at all for the opening week of the 2015 season!

    Would his team be able to release the hearing transcript just then — to show what Goodell had before him at the hearing? Even if not (and I would be surprised if they agreed to permanent silence beyond Goodell’s decision on the appeal), either Brady could just make his case through the media — OR he could file a case against the NFL and take it as far forward as necessary to get the hearing transcript on the public record, without necessarily taking it all the way.

    In fact, Brady could file the case, get a temporary injunction, play in the Opening Game, and then drop the case at any time after that. In short, going forward, Brady’s team has many more strategic options to get their message out and control timing than the NFL does, if the Brady team truly has a strong case for his innocence. The testimony “under Oath” yesterday suggests to me that they think they do have a strong case — and understand their options going forward very well.

    Good luck, Goodell. Your best option is to split the baby the way Kraft allows you to do: use the Wells report to justify the team sanctions you have applied but say that, after hearing Tom Brady, you think he was not guilty of tampering with the footballs or ordering it done and will simply fine him $100K for less than complete cooperation with the original Wells investigation.

    Do that, and all this will be over. A real leader would take one more step: institute a process going forward in which all parties get to submit full comments on an outside report BEFORE the League pronounces punishment. This is standard in all internal workplace arbitration processes.

  44. I got a question, if the New England Patriots weren’t the defending champs playing in NBC’s Thursday Night 2015 NFL Kickoff game, would PFT be so diligently defending the smiling liar, Tom Brady? Just throwing that out there…

    The TRUTH is, anyone who’s delusional enough to think Tom Brady is some angel who’s being railroaded just needs to reread those text messages exchanged by Jim “The Deflator” McNally and John Jastremski, as well as take a look at those calls logs between Brady and the “Deflator” right after the #Deflategate story broke.

    It’s funny this is is still a story in late June…Let’s put the blame on Tom “Terrific” Brady for being so concerned about his carefully crafted legacy being deflated. I think we can all learn a lesson from this. Sometimes it’s better to own something right away, rather than to keep digging a very deep hole…Tom’s basically standing in his own hole and putting the lotion in the basket.

  45. idranj says:
    Jun 24, 2015 9:20 AM

    why not just say “I didn’t do this, I am Innocent”???

    why look for loop holes?

    why try to find errors in the process?

    ______

    Would you have believed him if he had said it? Or would you still want proof? All the while calling him liar until he produced the proof?

    All the anti-Brady/Pats people wouldn’t believe him anyway, so why bother with that? It doesn’t fix a thing to do that.

  46. Is it really that hard to comprehend the Deflator comment?

    The Pats org completely misplayed this and should’ve stayed on the science only, however with the way the NFL misconstrues information or tweaks it to their benefit I sort of get it.

    That being said, whether it was McNally or Jastremski the job was to ensure the balls were at 12.5 psi. Rarely does a new ball out of the box come that low, rather they are a bit over inflated to 13.5 psi +. Go to your local sporting goods store and see for yourself. The job was to deflate the balls down to 12.5 psi, not against the rules.

    Now, where I think you that are anti Pats/Brady have a good point is this was probably also done AFTER the refs checked the balls.

    However, it is clear from the texts you want to keep going after, that Brady wants them at 12.5.

    I am sure that Brady was adamant about this to his equipment guys especially after that Jets game, to be sure these balls are checked after the Refs handle them and to deflate them back to 12.5 if they happened to be inflated above this.

    Is it a rule violation? Yep, as you are not to touch the balls after the Ref checks them, even if that means to rework them and keep them within the range that is described in Rule 17; but seriously to call this cheating is just laughable.

  47. Goodell needs to realize is he wants to appear strong, going along with a flawed report and lying to the public to save face isnt the way to do it. Standing up and admitting a mistake is.

  48. guachosporlife says:Jun 24, 2015 8:47 AM

    I don’t care what he says. I care what his cellphone says.

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    I don’t understand this argument whatsoever. They had both of the ball handler’s phones and went through them thoroughly. Who else would Brady have texted about this? No one, right? So, if there was nothing on either of those guys’ phones, why the heck would there be anything on Brady’s phone?

    Oh, yea, I forgot. Trolls and logic never go hand in hand.

  49. NFL will change whatever is in the document to cover it up… Brady will not even serve a game’s punishment…

    The longsnapper and the kicker will be the ones that deflated the balls… WAIT AND SEE!!!

    This may be a publicity stunt from ole Goodell.. Keeps the NFL in the news until the season…

  50. “wilmyers09 says:
    Jun 24, 2015 9:54 AM
    Tom brady is guilty u cant even prove science 100% percent if this gets taken to court brady will lose badly”


    Actually that’s the nice thing about the science in this case. It’s centuries old and the league’s own measurements confirm that the balls deflated exactly the amount the science would predict.

  51. idranj says:
    Jun 24, 2015 9:20 AM

    why not just say “I didn’t do this, I am Innocent”???
    ————————————–

    Because that would be a false statement.

  52. “ariani1985 says:
    Jun 24, 2015 9:55 AM
    “The fact is that none of this nonsense would have happened if the Patriots footballs deflated at the same level as the Colts footballs.”

    ——————–
    Exactly. Unfortunately all those footballs were in the same climate conditions. ”


    No they were not in the same climate conditions. The pats had posession of the ball 2x more than the Colts did, and the Colts balls were measured at the very end of half time (after spendinding 15 min warming up.

  53. ctattles says:
    Jun 24, 2015 8:21 AM

    Heres whats funny: Someday 50 years from now some Pats fans grandchild will ask about Deflategate and when they ask why there was a guy nicknamed the “Deflator” the answer will be – “oh him? yea he was trying to lose weight at the time.”

    ———-

    What do your grandfather tell you about the NFL 50 years ago.

    Did he tell you about this?

    “In one of the earliest scandals in NFL history, two Pro Bowl members of the Green Bay Packers went from being the biggest stars of the league to the most disliked. Paul Hornung and Alex Karras both received suspensions for the 1963 season for betting on NFL games but fans and former NFL Commissioner Pete Rozelle were both forgiving, later reinstating both players and even allowing Hornung to enter the Pro Football Hall of Fame later on.”

    Probably not.

    No one will even talk about Deflategate again once it’s over and it will be forgotten soon enough.

  54. I can hear the Judge saying to Goodell these things;

    1.) This Court is not subject to the NFL.

    2.) You need to know the Rules

    3.) You cannot make up new Rules to cover your Incompetence.

    4.) You cannot make up punishments to coerce Players to accept guilt as a bargaining chip to reduce the fines/suspensions.

    5.) You have perjured yourself on National TV with – ‘I had no knowledge BS’ i.e. “This was not a sting operation…”

    6.) You most certainly did Delegate punishment to Kinsel and DO NOT even attempt to try that spin BS talk with me.

    7.) You will restore everything that you corruptly took from the NE PATRIOTS organization.

  55. wilmyers09 says:
    Jun 24, 2015 9:54 AM

    Tom brady is guilty u cant even prove science 100% percent if this gets taken to court brady will lose badly

    ————

    You said it… you can’t even prove the science in this case. However, that’s why Brady will win. The Wells report science is not solid enough.

  56. bobnelsonjr captures it perfectly

    Intellectually they can’t deny that the tuck rule was proven to be correctly applied as it had countless times before and after for the next 13 years the other owners chose to keep it

    The Haters also intellectually can’t deny that Spygate was about a rule about the location of cameras as signal filming continues today (assuming they understand what “retracted” means)

    And they’re having a tougher time now denying that the officials and Physics confirm there was no deflation

    But their ability to jealously delude themselves always conquers logic and common sense and it always will

    It’s quite amusing to see the depths of their jealousy!

  57. I don’t care what he says. I care what his cellphone says.
    I don’t care what Science says…I believe bits & pieces of the Well$ report.
    I don’t care what Brady says about not knowing…he already admitted he did it.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Observe the pattern set before us from the haters/willfully ignorant.

    Notice how basic it is – It is designed that way. So easy to control and direct.

  58. idranj says:
    Jun 24, 2015 9:20 AM

    why not just say “I didn’t do this, I am Innocent”???

    why look for loop holes?

    why try to find errors in the process?

    ————

    That’s exactly what Brady said.

    They didn’t believe him and already suspended him based on 51% belief he was involved.

    Brady had no choice but to show the errors in the process because that’s how you appeal a ruling. Saying he is innocent is irrelevant in an appeal. It’s not a loophole to show the investigation was flawed.

  59. I don’t understand this argument whatsoever. They had both of the ball handler’s phones and went through them thoroughly. Who else would Brady have texted about this? No one, right? So, if there was nothing on either of those guys’ phones, why the heck would there be anything on Brady’s phone?

    Oh, yea, I forgot. Trolls and logic never go hand in hand.
    ————————————
    You would make a horrible investigator. It’s all about cross-referencing to do your due dilligence. They could have deleted any messages from Brady and only turned over messages between themselves. It’s about filling in the holes so you know you have the complete picture.

  60. bobnelsonjr says:
    Jun 24, 2015 9:44 AM

    No one remembers any particularly play he made because nothing stands out except the scandals.

    His legacy is the tuck rule scandal, the spying video scandal, and the equipment tampering scandal.
    ———

    What is the “tuck rule scandal”? Do you mean people crying about the application of an obscure rule, a rule that had been used against the Patriots earlier in the same season?

    How is Tom Brady involved with “Spygate”? Was he operating the camera in the stands during the game?

    Everyone with any sense already knows that no equipment tampering occurred, so that one is out of the picture as well.

  61. It was so much easier back in the days of Spygate. Greedell sends up a couple of cleaners up to Foxboro. Then Roger instructs his goons to destroy all the evidence while still in Foxboro. Don’t even bother collecting it to bring back to the NFL’s New York office. Then, the NFL releases a brief statement that says nothing and nobody in the league office ever speaks about it again. Poof! Seven years of systematic cheating wiped clean in 3 days.

  62. Let’s be realistic here. This is the NFL we are talking about. They are going to leak some or all of this, and soon. They simply can’t help themselves.

  63. No, they will say that’s because his job included getting the game balls ready for use. Tom Brady, the greatest QB in the NFL, had very specific requirements for how he liked the ball. McNally’s job was to make sure the balls were all at 12.5 PSI for that game and when the balls came out of the box they were at 13, so one time a co-worker joked that his job was “the deflator.”

    _______________

    I can’t tell if you’re serious or joking…

  64. for the pats fans out there, lets focus on things we can do to keep Goddell and Wells’ bogus report in focus for the 2015 season. Remember that the ONLY reason this charade can even be possible is that the NFL has no data on ball pressure. We can change that.

    What if those attending games bring a football and post on this site the expected and actual pressures all season long? Week after week, Goddell will be reminded that his report was BS. Week after week, the Colts will look more and more like the whining losers they really are.

  65. so for you text message interpretation experts, how do you explain this one, about the over-inflated balls after the Jets game?

    Jastremski: I just measured some of the balls. They supposed to be 13 lbs… They were like 16. Felt like bricks

    Is 13lbs supposed to be code for 11 lbs? If it was their practice to deflate them after testing, wouldn’t the expectation be that they would be less than 13 lbs? And if they did deflate these balls after the occicials added air, then how much over 16 lbs were they before that?

    Why is this stuff overlooked?

  66. Yes, I am a Patriots fan. But my investment in this issue extends well beyond that. I know it’s like to be railroaded and to be on the opposite end of a mob memtality, which is what we have here. We have sensationalism and careerism in the media — journalists who feel they lose out professionally if they don’t turn out a story — and a scandal at that — as fast as possible. As bad as the lack of investigative journalism is the lack of objectivity, as 99% of all professionals involved in adjudication or reporting are fans of other teams. In other words DeflateGate is where fantasy football meets junk science.

  67. castleanthrax says:
    Jun 24, 2015 10:04 AM

    However, it is clear from the texts you want to keep going after, that Brady wants them at 12.5. I am sure that Brady was adamant about this to his equipment guys especially after that Jets game, to be sure these balls are checked after the Refs handle them and to deflate them back to 12.5 if they happened to be inflated above this.
    _____________________________________

    When Walt Anderson performed the required testing before the game, he found it necessary to add air to at least two of the footballs. This means two of the footballs had less that 12.5 psi when delivered to Anderson. Since the objective of ball preparation is consistency, it seems almost certain that the remaining footballs were near or perhaps marginally over 12.5 psi to begin with. That being the case, there would be no need to let any air out of the footballs.

    Some have suggested that a needle may have been used on the two footballs that had air added, but why bother? If the ball attendant knew which balls had been adjusted by the official (and he would have to know to insert a need in just those two balls), put those footballs in the bottom of the bag and don’t use them. It has been documented that some of the footballs were never put into play.

  68. “wilmyers09 says:
    Jun 24, 2015 9:54 AM
    Tom brady is guilty u cant even prove science 100% percent if this gets taken to court brady will lose badly”

    Yeah, that wacky science that you can’t even prove 100%…. that got us to the moon, created modern medicine, and made it possible for you to spew that absolute drivel on an outlet that reaches tons of people. Yeah.

    This is where I’d usually explain that science is really just an approach to procuring knowledge, meaning that all conclusions can be tested and verified, therefore makeing your “point” moot… but you don’t care about facts so nevermind.

  69. They didn’t believe him and already suspended him based on 51% belief he was involved.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    51% has now been proven beyond any reasonable doubt to be a FALSE.

    Well$ & the NFL cannot prove they have 51%, not even close to that.

    Goodell is correct in saying that the NFL does not need the same level of the US Courts. However, that does not give the NFL a signed blank affidavit from players/coaches/teams for Goodell or anyone else to fill in and produce so-called convicting evidence.

    Goodell has, numerous times throughout this scandal, declared – “I am for the Integrity of the Game/NFL.” Ironicly, Goodell has done the exact opposite of his claims and driven the NFL’s integrity off a cliff. He has made it a punch line for all to feast on. His name will soon be heard on Geiko commercials;

    Rodger Goodell is an Idiot – Everyone knows that.

  70. Why do the Haters ignore the fact that the Patriots openly admit that part of “the Deflator’s” job was to repeatedly deflate and re inflate footballs

    Just read the NY Times article “Eli Manning’s Footballs Months in the Making” to verify that all teams employ “Deflators”

    Yes there was a text in which the guy was told to “deflate and give me that jacket” in a clear reference to weight loss – but it seems like they didn’t read beyond that one comment and think they found a smoking gun

    Roger Goodell obviously thinks the majority of NFL fans are very gullible – thus far he’s correct

  71. Jun 24, 2015 11:05 AM
    “wilmyers09 says:
    Jun 24, 2015 9:54 AM

    Tom brady is guilty u cant even prove science 100% percent if this gets taken to court brady will lose badly”

    The science doesn’t have to prove 100% that there was no tampering. The standard in this case is “more probable than not.” If one organization says science can’t explain the deflation, and many other reputable organizations say the science does explain it, it is more probable than not that many got it right and the one outlier got it wrong.

  72. j0esixpack says:
    Jun 24, 2015 11:15 AM

    Why do the Haters ignore the fact that the Patriots openly admit that part of “the Deflator’s” job was to repeatedly deflate and re inflate footballs

    because they said this;

    “Mr. McNally is a big fellow and had the opposite goal: to lose weight. ‘Deflate’ was a term they used to refer to losing weight,” the Patriots counter-report says.

  73. @letmefeelyourlove

    I think we are saying the same thing…Sure a couple may have been below 12.5 psi and Anderson added air back in. This is standard protocol. Just because McNally may have gone below 12.5 a bit (we don’t know by how much) that does not mean Brady wants them deflated below 12.5 psi. You confirm that the rest were either at 12.5 or just above, again this is my point.

    However, as noted in the Wells report some Ref added way too much the balls in the Jets game up to 16 psi.

    My overall point is that McNally was more than likely instructed by Brady to double check the balls after the Refs are done. I don’t see anywhere in the reports or SOP that has been shared, that McNally or any other equipment manager is standing over the shoulder of the refs checking these.

    McNally very well may have gone to the bathroom to check on them (again this is a rule violation, I don’t dispute this) to be sure they were not significantly inflated beyond 12.5 psi. In this case it seems Anderson kept the 10 right where Brady wants them.

    So for the AFCCG there was no need for McNally to deflate any air out of the balls after Anderson was complete. So what are we really talking about here with this whole mess?

  74. RegisHawk says:
    Jun 24, 2015 8:41 AM

    I would think Brady’s phone would be Exhibit A…does each side get their own exhibit list?
    ———————————————————-
    True, for what’s not on it. Like any evidence at all that he ordered anything but the balls being set at his preferred pressure within the legal limits. What part of if they have the texts from the 2 ball guys they have Brady’s side too? What part of no proof at all that tampering even occurred? What part of Wells and Exponent falsifying science data to shamefully try and prove their foregone conclusion of guilt? Look, they fined Favre 50 grand for not turning over his phone when his “crime” was sexting from his phone. I mean seriously? 4 games for Brady not turning over his phone? C’mon man. 50 grand, heck, 100 grand but suspension? Be real.

  75. I’m starting to really like Mike Florio! This column and the one he did calling for an investigation into the NFL leaks! Keep going, Mike!

  76. You know the NFL is a shady operation when they make people sign NDAs. I would tell the NFL they can shove their NDA where the sun doesnt shine.

    That tells me they dont want anyone to know how truly corrupt they are. They define corruption. FBI go investigate Goodell, and the NFL owners ASAP.

  77. Not only did Brady not have anything to do with how much air was in the balls, neither did the ball guys. Never happened and everyone knows it never happened. Just like the refs never actually measured the PSI before games. Only crimes committed were by Goodell’s chumps and now he’s covering it up for them.

  78. Did they talk about the Refs and Jets cheating by over inflating the balls to an illegal 16 PSI?

  79. I can hear the Judge saying to Goodell these things:

    The Courts do not interfere in collectively bargained rules regarding arbitration. Whatever you have decided stands. Case dismissed.

  80. Harve Gulch Cowboy says:
    Jun 24, 2015 10:11 AM
    I’m just waiting for the two equipment guys to testify under oath.

    That is EXACTLY what I want to happen! I hope he does take it to court 🙂 The Pats fans just might get a huge awakening!!! They would not cover for Brady and risk jail for perjury 🙂
    I’m concerned Goodell will not stand his ground on this one, as he should. No person can tell me Belichick did not know about this. I’ll bet Sean Payton is quite interested, since “ignorance is no excuse”. Has anyone considered that there might be communication to Belichick on his phone????

  81. castleanthrax says:
    Jun 24, 2015 11:25 AM
    So what are we really talking about here with this whole mess?
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The real scandal is the Abuse of Power by Goodell, Kinsel & others who have an insatiable hatred & uncontrolled jealousy toward the Patriots. They really do not want them year after year, in the playoffs upsetting the apple cart of the teams (Colts) that the NFL wants to see in the SuperBowl. Goodell made this CLEAR with his bogus claims of NFL Integrity. He also made it CLEAR that the 31 owners want PARITY = We want our team going to the SuperBowl enough of these Patriots already.

  82. “brendafortheboyz says:
    Jun 24, 2015 12:05 PM
    Harve Gulch Cowboy says:
    Jun 24, 2015 10:11 AM
    I’m just waiting for the two equipment guys to testify under oath.

    That is EXACTLY what I want to happen! I hope he does take it to court ”


    Any court case would be able whether Goodell and the league violated the collective bargaining agreement. It would not be a deflategate trial. No crime is alleged.

  83. “The NFL has every single text and call Brady made as it relates to McNally and Jastremski, since the NFL got both of their phones. What do you honestly think their going to find on that phone? My bet is nothing.”

    ———————————————————-

    So, you sure seem to know a lot about Brady and whom he speaks with, confides in, asks advice from. Just these two guys? Really? Man, is world is incredibly finite. There could be dozens of voice or text messages between TB and the two clowns’ private phones, TB’s agent, lawyer, coaches…. Wells had, possibly, just the tip of the iceberg, which would explain TB’s resistance to sharing evidence.

  84. “RegisHawk says:
    Jun 24, 2015 11:53 AM
    I can hear the Judge saying to Goodell these things:

    The Courts do not interfere in collectively bargained rules regarding arbitration. Whatever you have decided stands. Case dismissed.”


    Except they do get involved in these issues when the CEO violates the agreement. For one thing, the agreement says only the Commissioner has the right to penalize a player. In this case (amazingly) Goodell had Vincent (an underling) penalize the Pats/Brady.

  85. I wonder if a senator with a large middle class will go after the NFL and their antitrust exemption. Goodell is making it too easy with this phony wall street report.

    Election season is coming and both the NFL and Wall Street decided to grab the attention of the NFL Fans, but also the public, with their never ending telenovela.

  86. Harve Gulch Cowboy says:
    Jun 24, 2015 10:11 AM
    I’m just waiting for the two equipment guys to testify under oath.
    ______________________________

    Both of these guys were interviewed multiple times by NFL Security and again by Wells.

    If you didn’t get them to admit to anything in those settings you aren’t going to trip them up in court when they’ve been prepared for testimony by a lawyer of Kessler’s level.

  87. I don’t care if the NFL loses in court. I want this to be drawn out and keep a high profile. It will deter teams from ever thinking about cheating again.

  88. What people can’t seem to realize is that even if the Patriots and Brady did “let a little air out” of the balls due to Brady liking the feel or making up for the lax process of the referees, it is:

    a.) Not automatically an evil and deceitful attempt to cheat the game (evil face and rubbing hands). Likely just part of all QB’s getting the balls the way the like them.

    b.) Not that big of a deal – we’re talking about a difference in approximate 0.5-1 PSI difference in a ball that the league is fine allowing a 1 PSI buffer on (12.5-13.5). Only a big deal because everyone is tired of getting dominated by the New England Patriots. 100% fact.

  89. “RegisHawk says:
    Jun 24, 2015 11:53 AM
    I can hear the Judge saying to Goodell these things:

    The Courts do not interfere in collectively bargained rules regarding arbitration. Whatever you have decided stands. Case dismissed.”


    Except they do get involved in these issues when the CEO violates the agreement. For one thing, the agreement says only the Commissioner has the right to penalize a player. In this case (amazingly) Goodell had Vincent (an underling) penalize the Pats/Brady.
    _________________________________

    And when the plaintiff is trying show punishment was disproptionate and/or without merit.

    In such cases the only thing the courts require is that you exhaust your arbitration as defined under the CBA before taking it to the courts.

  90. The NFL has already handled this in a stupefyingly dumb manner to date, so no predictions are safe at this point.

    But I don’t yet believe that the NFL is quite dumb enough to not see that this is their big chance to wrap this up quietly and move on. If the result of this hearing is anything but a sharply reduced punishment and mild admonishment to all parties involved, followed up by some kind of tweak to the ball-handling policy, I’ll be surprised.

    The alternative is for the NFL to start its next season with its top player suspended and its own champion team hobbled – for the rah-rah of a new season to be dragged down by an old story coming back to life. And then again at the next draft.

    Surely the NFL office isn’t THAT dumb. Right?

  91. And the haters CONTINUE to reference the one instance in which “deflate” was taken out of context by Wells in a desparate attempte to affirm his pre-determined findings

    Deflate also refers to his job duties as the Patriots admit – there is nothing to hide if you know anything about the NFL and clearly the haters do not

    Read the NY Times story about the Giants Deflators who work for Eli (and yes, they keep the prepared footballs with them at all times)

    Do you guys just simply refuse to read or accept anything that refutes your pre-determined opinions?

    If so Ted Wells may have a job for you

  92. kingpel says:
    Jun 24, 2015 12:42 PM

    I don’t care if the NFL loses in court. I want this to be drawn out and keep a high profile. It will deter teams from ever thinking about cheating again.

    ==================

    Do you realize how much money is involved in professional football? NOTHING will ever deter teams from ever thinking about cheating again.

  93. Forgive me if this has been said before …

    But if Goodell throws out all punishment and the transcript is never released … cue the conspiracy theories a la Goodell destroying the Spygate tapes.

  94. Regarding the whole deflate thing … search “deflate weight loss -Patriots” (The minus sign eliminates the following word from search results. You’re welcome for the free lesson.)

    There are 622,000 results that all pertain to weight loss. Most of them were created LONG before the AFC Championship game.

    And how many of you jocks out there have ever used the word “deflate” or “inflate” when it comes to air in a ball? I for one have never done so.

    If the ball needs more air I will say something like, “pump the ball up” or if there is too much, “let some air out”. The words inflate or deflate have never one single time crossed my lips when it comes to that subject.

  95. Except they do get involved in these issues when the CEO violates the agreement. For one thing, the agreement says only the Commissioner has the right to penalize a player. In this case (amazingly) Goodell had Vincent (an underling) penalize the Pats/Brady.

    Except that Goodell has already stated that Vincent did so at his direction. So no case there.

  96. And when the plaintiff is trying show punishment was disproptionate and/or without merit.

    In such cases the only thing the courts require is that you exhaust your arbitration as defined under the CBA before taking it to the courts.

    Except that the best parallel we have to a player cheating would be going back to the Karras/Hornung betting scandal, in which both players were suspended for a year. So Goodell is actually being lenient.

  97. The Haters think they have found a smoking gun given the one instance in which “deflate” clearly refers to “the deflator” trying to lose weight

    It’s a smoking gun alright – a smoking gun that the Haters know very little about football and will only read and accept things that support their pre-determined belief, just like Wells:

    » On the texts between the Patriots attendants: “Perhaps most revealing, then, is that not a single text states that: (i) Brady wanted footballs set below 12.5 psi; (ii) there was a plan to deflate footballs after the referee inspected them; or (iii) there was any actual such deflation. Nonetheless, the report assumes that every text reference to inflation or deflation of footballs suggests there was a plot to improperly deflate footballs after the referee’s inspection. In reality, there is simply no basis to assume that conclusion.”

    “First, the report ignores the information the investigators gathered that Mr. Jastremski’s duties in football preparation in fact routinely involve deflating every football at least twice. Every team in the League has developed a standard operating procedure for the preparation of new footballs for game play. The Patriots standard procedures are described in part on pgs. 37-40. Omitted from that description, but as Mr. Jastremski explained, is that the very first thing he routinely does when he opens a new box of Wilson footballs is to take a bit of air out of them. That makes them easier to prepare. The second time he takes air out of footballs is when he sets them for Mr. Brady’s pre-game review and selection

  98. There could be video of brady himself with the needle in the balls -and you homers would still be in denial.
    Pathetic!

    Wow, delusion runs high in Beantown!

  99. dave399 says:
    Jun 24, 2015 1:24 PM

    I play lots of sports and the only terms i use are inflate and deflate. Have you EVER used or heard someone use the term “deflate” in regards to weight loss? B/c i have never once in my life heard that, so while in “deflategate” its suspicious to say the least that he would use that term. Now what about him saying he should go to ESPN about Brady? Do you honestly think a guy getting free stuff from brady is going to rat him out for giving him free stuff??? That makes no sense as well. Now also Brady never contacted these guys, didnt even know the one guys first name, but after the game contact them SIX times?!?!?! now all the sudden he is their best friend? That also doesnt make sense.

  100. bushwoodcc says: Jun 24, 2015 12:41 PM
    Harve Gulch Cowboy says:
    Jun 24, 2015 10:11 AM
    I’m just waiting for the two equipment guys to testify under oath.
    ______________________________

    Both of these guys were interviewed multiple times by NFL Security and again by Wells.

    If you didn’t get them to admit to anything in those settings you aren’t going to trip them up in court when they’ve been prepared for testimony by a lawyer of Kessler’s level.””””””

    The same security interviews that the pats told Wells to pay no mind to. Id like an explanation of this in court.

  101. RegisHawk says:
    Jun 24, 2015 1:25 PM
    Except that Goodell has already stated that Vincent did so at his direction. So no case there.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If you read the statement Goodell gave about this you would realize that Goodell came full circle in his statement and did, in fact, delegate to Vincent the punishment.

    Kessler & a Judge would have fun with Goodell in a REAL Court Hearing.

  102. These haters stillthink the balls were tampered with. If you told them that Brady was in ISIS, they would believe that also.

    Its comical

  103. letsgobuffalo4 says:
    Jun 24, 2015 2:01 PM
    dave399 says:
    Jun 24, 2015 1:24 PM

    I play lots of sports and the only terms i use are inflate and deflate. Have you EVER used or heard someone use the term “deflate” in regards to weight loss? B/c i have never once in my life heard that, so while in “deflategate” its suspicious to say the least that he would use that term. Now what about him saying he should go to ESPN about Brady? Do you honestly think a guy getting free stuff from brady is going to rat him out for giving him free stuff??? That makes no sense as well. Now also Brady never contacted these guys, didnt even know the one guys first name, but after the game contact them SIX times?!?!?! now all the sudden he is their best friend? That also doesnt make sense.

    He only contacted one you moron, he never lied about that. Why not do some research first. You cant even find one lie or one smoking gun, other than a text message with the word deflater that happened in the offseason. Nice try idiot.

    Not one ball was tampered with. NOTHING HAPPENED. This is a witch hunt for morons with a simple mind

  104. Except that Goodell has already stated that Vincent did so at his direction. So no case there.
    ==
    That will be for a judge to decide.

  105. swineflooo says: Jun 24, 2015 3:40 PM

    These haters stillthink the balls were tampered with. If you told them that Brady was in ISIS, they would believe that also.

    Its comical”””

    2 PSI (under) is no lie.

  106. Kessler & a Judge would have fun with Goodell in a REAL Court Hearing.

    Except that it will never come to that.

  107. Goodell, Kinsel and others have a decision to make –
    Plan A.) Continue with their plan that has been backfiring on them since the AFCCG,
    or
    Plan B.) Man up and admit that the NFL has not satisfied the Burden of finding REASONABLE grounds for the suspensions against Brady.
    or
    Plan A & C.) Face Kessler & a Judge with ALL of the EVIDENCE (Well$ Report, AEI Report, AFCCG, NFL False Report of 11 of 12, SB XLIX, etc) at the Judges disposal who is NOT subject to NFL propaganda and who is familiar with how witch hunts operate.

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