Could a deal be done in the Tom Brady case?

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In any case of player discipline, a negotiated compromise is possible at any time. So in what arguably is the highest-profile instance of player discipline in league history, could a deal be done?

To get there, both sides would have to find an acceptable middle ground. But with Commissioner Roger Goodell apparently intent on never again being accused of not going far enough when it comes to player discipline and with Brady apparently intent on fighting any suspension through every available legal channel, a middle ground may not exist.

Here’s perhaps the only thing that could work: The conversion of Brady’s four-game suspension to a four-game fine.

He’d be punished significantly, with a financial loss of $1.88 million. Which means the league could claim it didn’t go easy on Brady. And Brady would be able to play, so the player could claim that he took the deal not because he’s guilty, but because the NFL gave him the chance to play, even if it means playing 25 percent of the season for free.

That still may not be enough, for either side. The league necessarily would be casting doubt on the multi-million-dollar efforts of Ted Wells, and Brady necessarily would be giving tangible ammunition to those who believe that he’s guilty of cheating.

The bigger problem is the lingering impact of the Ray Rice debacle on Goodell. After nearly losing his job for going too light on Rice and hearing barely a peep of criticism when Goodell gets his knuckles rapped by someone truly independent who reduces or scuttles his suspensions, Goodell arguably has nothing to gain and everything to lose by voluntarily allowing Brady to play in every game of the 2015 season.

180 responses to “Could a deal be done in the Tom Brady case?

  1. NO DEALS!!! Let Brady give up his phone and then if nothing is discovered, then you can talk. Brady knows he is guilty but his ego won’t let him admit it. 4 games, he is lucky, it should have been the season.

  2. Years of his statistical performance are at question and the NFL punted on discipline that would have addressed the real issue- the Patriots cheating in playoff game(s) which led to a Super Bowl victory.

    A fine in this case is an extension of the long-running farce in which the Patriots pay for the privilege to cheat.

    Any team in the NFL would happily pay a 1 million dollar fine to win a Super Bowl. Any top-tier QB would pay a million dollars for a Super Bowl win as well.

  3. Alternative deal: Brady receives something approaching exoneration for deflation, but a two game suspension for not cooperating. Brady wants a chance to claim his name is cleared; Goodell wants Brady to miss games.

  4. Cannot see Brady going for anything less than complete exoneration on the football pressure issue and maybe a 50K fine for failure to cooperate … It is his personal integrity that he is fighting for and he seems adamant in defending as does his legal team. Additionally I believe Kraft needs that exoneration for the team.

  5. Double whammy for Brady, now instead of time off he has to work for free. That’s stuff non-union people may be caught doing.

  6. I love that the biggest NFL stories of the offseason are about deflategate. Cheaters vs. Blowhards was the best Super Bowl matchup of all time, and also the worst. Green Bay and Indianapolis should play for the Lombardi next we can all move on.

  7. Anything short of the stated punishment will be a loss for the NFL. If Brady did not bring anything new, as reported, to the hearing and Goodell reduces it, then the whole thing was a shame.

    No such offer to replace a suspension with a fine, has been extended to anyone else. It should not be an option for Brady.

  8. Whichever way it goes, Goodell has to go. I don’t know of anyone who sincerely thinks he’s doing a good job or represents the league well.

    “Protecting the Shield”? He’s done more to tarnish the league than anyone, and has become a joke of a commissioner.

  9. There is no way Roger the dodger vacates the suspension. With his bogus sting, and more bogus Wells “report”, he has backed himself into the proverbial corner. The only way for this to end is to go to court and let a real judge rule on the facts.
    Nothing was done to the balls. This is nothing but a witch hunt against the team Roger’s beloved Jets can’t beat on the field.

  10. How does that hurt him severely? He and his wife probably spends that amount of money on a weekend getaway. Hold your ground Roger. You simply cannot allow the Patriots to get off easy each and every time. What he did was breaking the rules. Just like smoking weed. Be a damn man for once in your life and own up. But I guess you can’t expect that from someone that wears and is endorsed by Ugz

  11. Two things about the Wells report:

    — doubt has already been cast on it, and there is no way around that for either Wells or the League. If things get into court there is a chance a judge will say re-do this whole thing, NFL, because there is no evidence of human ball deflation.

    — Goodell can reduce the penalty on Brady and leave the penalty on the Patriots untouched, simply by remaining quiet about the science that suggests no balls were ever deliberately deflated in the AFL Championship game and focusing, instead, on the ball boys tweets evidence. That was used to punish the team — a huge punishment, really — and that part can be left alone in the name of the Wells investigation.

    The League does not have an interest in going to court with Brady. It does have an interest in his playing in all the games, a financial interest.

    My guess is that Goodell is sounding out owners. He does have the option of dropping Brady’s suspension and hitting him with a fine — and he would not be repudiating Wells altogether, because of the team penalty. This course of action would probably keep the NFL out of court with Brady’s team. Goodell has an interest in that. Even the start of a court case is not great for Goodell and the League.

    In any event, I am willing to bet that Wells never runs another investigation for the NFL. So vindicating him completely cannot be the top priority.

  12. the only negotiation brady will except is a complete admittance by the nfl that he didnt cheat, they can claim he didnt cooperate by not handing over his phone

    he will except nothing less because the science proves there was no deflation of footballs.

    now the haters can cry anything they want but the facts are that balls werent deflated, and anything else someone wants to claim is secondary to the evidence that no balls were deflated

    its the equivalent of calling a guy a murderer while the victim is still alive

    but a guy called himself the deflator, but a guy went to the bathroom, but the kraft foundation paid aei, but brady wouldnt give his phone up, but the pats fumbled less…….

    all arguments that were either proved wrong or needed assumptions on what they meant and all irrelevant as the facts showed NO DEFLATION!!!!

  13. “now the haters can cry anything they want but the facts are that balls werent deflated, and anything else someone wants to claim is secondary to the evidence that no balls were deflated”
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    This isn’t criminal court where evidence is excluded for procedural reasons. Something fishy was going on in that bathroom, enough for McNally to lie repeatedly about. And nothing would be done to those footballs without Brady’s consent.

  14. These kids with, The Phone, The Phone, he didn’t give up the phone. Let me get you in on a little secret, if that have the other two’s phones then they have every conversation Brady had with them. I know, astonishing isn’t it..

    Tom Brady, arguably the best QB to ever go under center, told two guys to break NFL rules and deflate footballs after the ref inspected them? Come one, use your heads not team affiliation heart.

    There is no way in hell that Brady compromises to anything. He didn’t do it, and like his play on the field, he will fight it until the clock runs out.

    As fans of the NFL, we all should be ashamed on how this has been handled from the get go. Not because it’s the Pats or Brady but rather because this could be your team, your star player, and effect your season should the NFL get away with being able to discipline any player on such fabricated, made to fit, framed evidence.

    Not only Roger but all 32 Owners should be ashamed of themselves for an investigation that they all know wouldn’t hold up in any civil court. They’ve treated the fans as fools for the almighty dollar and yet we the fan don’t care.

    There is no way on this earth Brady compromises anything and the author knows it.

  15. That would be the dumbest move possible….if he did that every player would want that deal….what he will do is say Brady had compelling evidence to help his case and he will lower his suspension to 2 days….

  16. Get a grip, sports fans.It’s been clear from the beginning that the NFL’s farcical kangaroo court is destined to be embarrassed in federal court. For those if you who haven’t noticed, Tom Brady plays to win.

  17. There will be no deal. To continue to bring up side issues such as Rice, Peterson and Farve, does not address deflategate. Tom Brady has continued to deny everything when there is clear evidence that contradicts what he is saying. He did not cooperate fully and he was not candid. There will be no deal.

  18. There’s not one troll here who could tell the difference in the footballs in question.

  19. As a Ravens fan, Tom should play. Why punish the great NE fans. If a fine does it so be it.

  20. The NFL is already shopping for a new “Ted Wells”. Maybe they are bout to throw Mr. Wells under the bus and do right by Tom Brady.
    Hope so.

  21. It would be better for the NFL if Brady plays every game. Even the colts/jets fans would tune in like it was the Super bowl if he plays week one. Goodell can use the AEI report as scientific proof to disprove the people who are just flat out jealous of the pats. He should also say after careful consideration it is impossible (not probable) to prove what someone is “generally aware of.”

  22. So if you are a rich QB you can take a fine instead of a penalty?!

    That’s absurd. The NFL would get crucified for allowing a cheater to buy his way out of a real penalty- suspension.

    Goodell would be laughed out of his position. This will NEVER happen

  23. Goodell was nowhere close to losing his job. Saying he was in order to strengthen your point is disingenuous.

    I think Goodell loses more credibility by accepting the bogus report than he does by backtracking on the punishment. He wasted the league’s money on the investigation (that is done and it was reasonable to expect a professional and logical product) but after seeing the results it makes no sense to double down on its conclusions. Suck it up and admit the report does not support the conclusions at the requisite level of certainty necessary for the suspension of a player. Conduct a season long study of the ball pressure tendencies (after ensuring positive control and accuracy) and if there is evidence that the Patriots may not have cheated (they didn’t) then rescind the fine and restore the draft picks. There is no reason to stick to your guns on an obviously flawed premise.

  24. For those Patriot fans still clinging onto the fact he’s innocent – know this. There is not a chance in the world Brady appeals this and allows this to go to court.

    If it does – the attorney will bury Tom with humiliating discovery including a demand for all phone records, video depositions of dumb & dumber and Brady, and an email autopsy of the Patriots system and the 3 amigos.

    Real court is real. They will humiliate the golden boy

    He’s much better off settling, being suspended and continuing to claim his innocence – like his guilty owner.

  25. Serious question, when are the Broncos going to give their 2 Super Bowls back?

    Way worse than Bountygate, Deflategate, and what the Cowboys and Redskins supposedly did with their cap. Paying your two best players under the table might be an IRS issue as well. Facts.

  26. If Im Brady im suing Goodell and Wells for $30 million each for defamation. Im getting something because Im not guilty. And im not signing any non disclosure agreement either.

    I would want to expose these 2 jokers for the incompetent hacks they are.

    And Im playing week 1 and Im getting paid

  27. Goodell needs to realize that he will lose the court case and hurt his power and his league in the process. The NFL is like the Jaguars of the courtroom.

  28. I think Roger Goodell has done a good job. I have yet to read a post where someone has stepped up and said what they would have done as commissioner if they were faced with the same issues he has faced. Every commissioner is hated because either they ignore issues or they deal with issues.

  29. Quote Jeffrey Kessler (Channeling Erick Cartman)

    “I’ll Rochambeau you for it.”

  30. Can anyone who complains about Brady’s phone please bang their head against a wall? It would be so much more productive.

    You know, because since they went through the ball handlers’ phones and there was nothing from him, but there suddenly would be on his phone? I’m pretty sure you all have those marvelous inventions called mobile phones, and probably text/phone on them as well. How can you not realize what you are asking is so ridiculously stupid?

    You guys so blatantly give up on reality it hurts to read.

  31. Another reason goodell is going after the Patriots that hasnt been mentioned anywhere, is the lawfirm representing former players is based where?

    Yep you guessed it 15 miles from Boston in Higham, MA.

    Proves Goodell and the League Office is a bunch of vindictive little jokers.

  32. Let’s not lose sight of the fact that the entire reason this “scandal” exists in the first place is because the anti-Patriots bias of the former Jets in the NFL (documented so well in Kensil’s remarks and not just the leaks of false information about low PSI in Deflategate – but in fact NFL VP Dave Gardi issued a LETTER to the Patriots with false PSI info)

    Goodell changed the headlines and his popularity skyrocketed for showing Brady to be the cheater he is

    The only problem was – Brady nor the Patriots were cheating

    But that didn’t stop Goodell and Kensil et al

    All the circumstantial and direct evidence shows this was a botched sting and then frame job – but few beyond Mike Florio in the media are calling the NFL on it

    Nothing short of complete vincidation should appease Brady given what a sham set up all of this “Deflategate without the Deflated Balls” scandal is

  33. It’s not worth the keystrokes to have any sensible comment on a Brady thread as the lemmings who call themselves Pats fans will diss any contrarian message.

  34. The owners must absolutely love all of this offseason attention. Reads like a good mystery. All the while chuckling to themselves knowing that the raging debate is almost wholly irrelevant.

    There is no constitutional guilt or innocence at stake. Despite how this situation is getting played out and debated in the media. An employee of the owners is getting disciplined. That’s it. Nothing more. Happens thousands, if not millions, of times a day in other businesses across the country.

    Even if Brady files a legal action, the court won’t be deciding if the balls were deflated or not. Or whether the punishment was fair. Instead, the court would simply determine whether the league followed the CBA in handing down the discipline. Essentially a breach of contract action. And one that Brady has no chance of winning.

    A breach of contract matter that reads like a whodunnit. You can’t make this stuff up. And the owners reap the benefits while they chuckle to themselves.

  35. now the haters can cry anything they want but the facts are that balls werent deflated, and anything else someone wants to claim is secondary to the evidence that no balls were deflated”
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    This isn’t criminal court where evidence is excluded for procedural reasons. Something fishy was going on in that bathroom, enough for McNally to lie repeatedly about. And nothing would be done to those footballs without Brady’s consent.

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    the evidence is there was no deflation based on a report by science news, AEI who the NFL deffered to in bounty gate and anyone else who cared to really go through the wells report which included ignoring the refs testimony on which gauge they used and the statement on page 28 which says there is no evidence of cheating without making SEVEARL assumptions.

    so whatever you think happened in the bathroom is irrelevant if there was no deflation. and once there is no deflation its humorous that you think that something fishy went on in the bathroom other then a guy pissing, and the same guy walked the balls out of the packed room in front of every ref and high ranking NFL official on site, and the cameras showed all of this. normally he would have gone to the bathroom in the same room but as the cameras showed it was jammed with refs and nfl employees watching the nfc championship game. the only thing fishy is how so many haters can make assumptions to come to facts that aren’t proven and are desperate to lay blame to a case when the science shows no crime.

  36. I think the only thing we can all agree on about Deflategate, is that the vast majority of NFL fans are as just jaded, jealous, ignorant and gullible as Roger Goodell HOPED most would be.

    As such, he can have no fear that anyone will ever call for an investigation into the “investigation” itself

    (Hey, wait a second, didn’t Ted Wells publicly say he would be looking into the NFL itself? Whatever happened to that? 😉

  37. .
    @phinfan68

    Spot on analysis……. I would never risk my 44 million / year on the Wells Report. If I were Goodell, I would throw Exponent under the bus, save Wells, and get past this debacle asap.
    .

  38. The last paragraph gets to the heart of the issue. Goodell has screwed up things repeatedly and so severely that he has lost all credibility if not the very integrity he claims to be paramount. He has allowed his office to become a laughing stock to the point that no matter what he does in this case there will be significant questions about his real motives. The biggest tarnish on the shield under his watch has been his own doing. No matter what he does here it’s clear evidence that he needs to go. For $44 million the NFL can do better and a clean slate is needed to start repairing it’s image.

  39. Iamapatsfan, he was asked for all relevant texts and or emails related to deflate gate. That does not mean they were limited to to just JJ.

  40. He gets the same penalty as Favre for not turning over the phone. $50 K. That’s it….its the only thing that sticks.

    Do I think the ball boys did it? Absolutely. Do I care that much? No! The reason why is there is cheating in every game that goes unpunished. This is no different than plays where the refs swallow the whistle.

  41. patriotsdefense says:
    Jun 28, 2015 9:16 PM
    Goodell needs to realize that he will lose the court case and hurt his power and his league in the process. The NFL is like the Jaguars of the courtroom.

    ****

    Contrary to popular belief (especially on PatriotFanTalk), this is false. When the NFL loses, it is big news, which is why you have this belief. The league didn’t get where it is by repeatedly losing in court. Just ask the various Players Associations, if they would switch places with the NFLPA.

  42. I’m of the opinion this whole thing is an unmitigated disaster and farce. This whole thing should have ended once AEI demonstrated the balls weren’t deflated unnaturally. I think Roger Goodell and the NFL League Offices are now an absolute stain on American sports. They are going to push this thing against Brady as far as they can, not because they have the goods on him (which they don’t), but because they can legally and because it makes them look good in the eyes of other teams’ fans. Roger Goodell isn’t waiting until mid-July to produce his response to the appeals so he can gather more information. He’s waiting until then so he can maximize the pressure applied to Brady, hoping he will cave to avoid talking about it anymore and give Goodell a win. That’s it. Brady’s guilt or innocence honestly doesn’t matter to Goodell and his minions. This is all about power and getting a win versus the union. I sincerely hope Brady plays this out to the bitter end and forces Goodell to eat every shovel-full of crow he has coming.

  43. NO DEALS!!!

    Science shows Brady is INNOCENT, so him paying EVEN ONE DIME would be a travesty.

  44. Give me Dalton, a pair of hands catchers, a makeshift o-line, and I’m GOOD.

  45. Regardless of what Brady actually did, no commissioner can function effectively if players know they can thumb their nose at him. League has to establish commissioner’s role, and Brady has to understand this.

  46. Why would Brady wanna agree to play for free when he’s done nothing
    wrong to begin with!
    It’s pretty clear by now that the very expensive Wells report has been proven to be beyond flawed!
    The NFL needs to step up and admit that the evidence to prove any cheating , deflation or ball maipulation just doesn’t exist and that it appears the only person that deserves any blame is Mother Nature!

  47. I am sitting here lol at the people coming down on Brady for deflate gate—-how come there is no mention of the 3 out of 4 balls that tested under inflated—-funny how they over look the facts

  48. If I were Brady I would file a defamation lawsuit for 1 Billion. Im not a lawyer but have represented myself and won against real lawyers, and what the NFL/Wells has bungled this so bad That I could win against them in court!

    If you haven’t read the wells report then you have no clue .
    Like Why were only 4 balls tested POST game and HOW ON THIS PLANET the highest being 13.65 psi could that be ILLEGALLY HIGH WHY???????????
    Wells claims the balls at halftime were in the locker room 13 min at halftime using video to determine that but couldn’t determine when the post game balls were in the locker room!! DUH
    TED WELLS is a MORE ON that much is certain!

  49. “its humorous that you think that something fishy went on in the bathroom other then a guy pissing, and the same guy walked the balls out of the packed room in front of every ref and high ranking NFL official on site, and the cameras showed all of this. normally he would have gone to the bathroom in the same room but as the cameras showed it was jammed with refs and nfl employees watching the nfc championship game. ”
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    Read that again and see if you can find the contradiction.

    Hint: Did the refs find a wormhole that allowed them to be in 2 places at once?

    And again, this isn’t like criminal court where you ignore the drugs found in the car because you mistook a joint for a cigarette. There was reasonable suspicion to warrant an investigation, said investigation uncovered the restroom tomfoolery. Regardless of psi evidence, the NFL is still within their rights to draw conclusions from that tomfoolery.

  50. In federal court, Tom’s leadoff witnesses will be John Jastremski and Jim McNally who testify under oath that they did not deflate any footballs, and cooperated fully with the Wells investigation and answered every question truthfully. Both of these guys have been wisely counciled, and will be in line for an expected windfall settlement – which easily explains their silence. Their dismissal was for stealing athletic equipment, admitted to during the investigation, but completely unrelated to deflategate.
    Any respected authority on science could easily explain the loss in air pressure, and the footballs fell within the expected range. The case becomes surprisingly simple. Deflategate failed to exist, and was a product of a media driven firestorm.
    The fun part would be going after the leaks from the NFL, whether a sting existed, and who was involved. I’m still surprised the Wells report didn’t address erronious media leaks or the dismissed employee that was stealing footballs. However, when you think who is writing the check, maybe not that surprised. But there will be a weak link within the NFL . There will be a memo, text, or email. Just too many people involved, and Kessler is a shark.

  51. Brady’s legacy and career are forever tarnished already. Doesn’t matter what comes of this appeal.

    Too bad, so sad.

  52. It’s pretty clear that the Ideal Gas Law plus moisture account for 100% of the deflation, per numerous studies (except the now debunked Wells report).

    So if McNally tool air out, how is it possible that the air he took out was consistently such a small amount that all the measurements are consistent with the IGL and game conditions. If Brady truly wanted a 10.5 ball, McNally would have been aiming for 1.0 to 2.0 deflation, which he would have practiced. If McNally succeeded, that would have put the balls at 9.5 or lower.

    One other question regarding McNally and his inconsistencies. This is likely a low key guy from rural NH with (my assumption) a high school education holding a part-time job that is 90 minutes from home. Do you think this sort of person can confidently handle repeated questioning from a team of high priced NY lawyers in suits, while at the same time knowing this is issue is front page news in every media outlet?

  53. It’s great to see the haters continue with their dribble and are still clinging to Goodell for hope.

    Goodell and the haters are on their very own Titanic voyage.

  54. Brady’s legacy and career are forever tarnished already. Doesn’t matter what comes of this appeal.
    *********************
    jmethane,

    As Pats didn’t tamper with balls, however the outcome will be, it will tarnish anything on Pats and Brady, of course, not to those who have suffered and will suffer the misery.

  55. The only thing worse than the cheating Pats are the cheating Pats trying to play the victim.

    This is not a court case. Goodell has the authority through the CBA and the burden of proof of not “beyond a reasonable doubt” as it is in court.

    The burden of proof here is simply “more likely than not”.

    Only Pats fans think the text messages alone don’t satisfy that burden.

  56. NE fans are pooping their diapers & throwing stones at the haters who dare to use facts & truth. Instead, maybe NE fans should be angry at their team for constantly cheating.

  57. “One other question regarding McNally and his inconsistencies. This is likely a low key guy from rural NH with (my assumption) a high school education holding a part-time job that is 90 minutes from home. Do you think this sort of person can confidently handle repeated questioning from a team of high priced NY lawyers in suits, while at the same time knowing this is issue is front page news in every media outlet?”

    ****

    If he’s telling the truth, yes. Shouldn’t be a problem.

  58. jchipwood says:
    Jun 28, 2015 9:29 PM
    How many times do the patriots have to be caught cheating before patriot fans realize their team cheats?
    ***********************
    Pats fans will happily agree that the Patriots cheat when and if they get caught.

    Trouble is, they haven’t been caught.

    Anyone with a brain knows the Sypgate issue was a total non-event as far as cheating. Cheating requires an UNFAIR ADVANTAGE, but no one believes incorrect camera placement, in full view of other teams and media, was a material event based on what they gained (nothing) and the history of the NFL . Further, many argue it wasn’t even agst the rules.

  59. I know this much – I just can’t get enough of the moronic posts from the haters – talking about grasping at straws.

    Best FREE Laughter running straight for three months now.

    LMAO

  60. Goodell should call his bluff, let Brady run to a judge and get laughed out of the courtroom because by being part of the union he agreed to the CBA and its terms. Brady has the right to retire but its laughable that a judge would take this case. Florio has his law degree and all but seems to know very little about labor laws and how courts deal with employer-employee disagreements when unions are involved.

  61. In what bizarro world is a”deal… done” in which a defendant is granted the opportunity to work for free instead of the opportunity to sit on his couch for free?

    Yeah – I know Goodell has made some players work for free (eg Josh Gordon), but if I’m Tom Brady I’d tell the league to stick that zero-wage where the bossman vacations in Europe.

    Seriously, there has to be a limit to which even highly paid “employees” say yeah, no. And if highly-paid employees can’t even do that… well…

  62. voiceofreason01,
    Do you know that the psi of Colts balls was significantly higher than expected?
    I don’t think you know.
    Please stop making a fool of yourself, will you?

  63. Even people who are haters have to take a look at the Wells report and subsequent rebuttal of the findings, the methodology, and conclude that the case against the Patriots are dubious. I am hoping this goes all the way to a defamation of character law suit- this whole thing stinks to high heaven. The players union is chomping at the bit to get this in a neutral court.

  64. I don’t understand the line of thinking that the botched Rice and Peterson cases have some bearing on the decision for Brady’s suspension. If that’s really how the NFL is thinking about this that’s evidence enough that they have no business enforcing rules or discipline on players/teams. They should always bring in an independent arbitrator to determine penalties based on precedent and/or have predefined penalties for all rules violations.

    Also, the more I hear regarding the Brady situation (from admittedly biased and second-hand reporting), the more clear it is to me that there’s a good chance Brady actually didn’t do anything that would constitute cheating.

    It’s quite possible that the footballs were note deflated by humans, and that if they were, that he didn’t tell anyone to do it. If he gets a softer ball that for some reason he feels more comfortable with (it’s clear from other QBs that softer footballs also have disadvantages (i.e. more wobble, slower velocity, and so some prefer them hard like Rodgers) then why would he think he was breaking a rule by playing with a softer ball?

    If you were given a more comfortable chair to sit in than is standard for your office, would you think you were doing something wrong? Would you go to your boss and demand that your chair be more uncomfortable? I don’t understand why a few ticks of air pressure is something that the NFL deems hugely threatening to the integrity of the game, especially given the lack of protocols around handling footballs and the fact that individual teams practice and prepare footballs to their liking for game-use.

    Regardless of the truth, it’s obvious to all that the NFL is the most inconsistently (if we’re being kind) managed billion dollar enterprise that has ever existed.

  65. If the NFL had ANYTHING substantial it would have been leaked already. The league feeds off fans attacking each other regardless of who they root for thus taking the spotlight off of the ineptitude of Goodell. It’s a shame we don’t recognize that as a whole.

  66. I know this much – I just can’t get enough of the moronic posts from the haters – talking about grasping at straws.

    Best FREE Laughter running straight for three months now.

    LMAO
    ————————–
    I know you would be a billionaire if you were paid by the word posted on this subject…

    Patri*ts fans are delusional

    Best Regards

  67. Pats fans will happily agree that the Patriots cheat when and if they get caught.

    Trouble is, they haven’t been caught.

    Anyone with a brain knows the Sypgate issue was a total non-event as far as cheating. Cheating requires an UNFAIR ADVANTAGE, but no one believes incorrect camera placement, in full view of other teams and media, was a material event based on what they gained (nothing) and the history of the NFL . Further, many argue it wasn’t even agst the rules.
    ————————–

    Your team was caught CHEATING. Your owner admitted to it, and the team was penalized for it.

    Patri*ts fans are delusional

    Best Regards

  68. what most of the donkeys who commented here don’t get is that according to the best science the balls weren’t deflated.

    secondly on court and discovery and brady having to give up whatever the nfl asks, discovery is a two way street, simply put the nfl and wells adn exponent would have to provide whatever brady’s legal team requests.

    and on the subject of the delfator tweets, if the balls weren’t deflated then the tweets are irrelevant.

  69. I know first hand a person can see Brady’s guilt and not be a hater. I lost respect for him for being a cheater but I still like him for his overall playing, when not cheating. I also like the pats in general and think Belichick is one of the finest football minds of my lifetime. I also think he too is a cheater based on the fact he’s been caught cheating.

    It’s not hatred, its objectivity.

  70. Go to court. Who cares if they subpoena Brady’s phone? I would willingly give up Brady’s phone and have them subpoena Kensil’s, Goodell’s, and Walt Anderson’s electronic communications 3 weeks prior to AFC Championship game to present. It would be proven as an unbiased sting at a minimum.

  71. Unfortunately nobody remembers all the court losses, Roger almost always loses.

    The league lied over and over about the PSI numbers, Gardi and others, trying to force a confession.
    They thought it was OK to lie/exaggerate if it could get what they wanted.
    Remember the “Hey Robert Kraft, we found a football deflated to 10.1 so just confess now” letter.
    Disgraceful, and a shame the Floria is literally the only writer outside of Boston that has called them out for that unforgivable
    act of cornering one of their member franchises.

  72. Goodell told the entire world on National TV that he was maintaining Integrity for the NFL & making sure that Unfair Advantage does not happen.

    Yet Goodell did not make a statement confirming the NFL’s own inquiry when, after the NFL inspected the AFCCG footballs at half time to validate Rule 17, Brady & the Patriots went on to scoring 28 points to the Colts 0. Goodell made no statement, with the world watching, about it’s own integrity and that of the game. The world waited for Goodell to say something of major importance – Did the Patriots violate NFL Integrity and If Yes, then why are they attending the SuperBowl as AFC Chaimpions? With no answer from Goodell everyone surmised that the Patriots cheated to get to the SuperBowl. By Goodell not adressing the obvious = Rule 17 NFL Approved Footballs resulted in a 45 -7 Patriot win, Goodell intentionally withholding the validity of the AFCCG, is actively CONSPIRING against the Patriots so that the World Audience are led to believe that the Patriots committed cheated. By cheating they committed theft by intentionally tampering with the footbalss, when that in fact, did not occur.

    In short form – Goodell did not confirm that the NFL acted with Integrity in the actions from Goodell’s himself and the NFL while they were actively being involved with the footballs during the AFCCG and SuperBowl XLIX. The NFL watched over these games with the highest scrutiny ever in its entire history. The Patriots vindicated themselves before National TV & the entire watching World with astounding victories using NFL Approved Rule 17 Footballs.

  73. Brady, the quarterback, had to know the footballs were non-standard. He does not want to be cross examined on the witness stand regarding this fact. Plus, he didn’t comply with sharing the contents of his phone and, therefore, was uncooperative in the investigation. Kessler is a good attorney, but you better believe the NFL will have a couple good ones too. A four-game suspension seems justified in this case.

  74. hivelocityimpactsplatter says:
    Jun 28, 2015 8:44 PM

    “now the haters can cry anything they want but the facts are that balls werent deflated, and anything else someone wants to claim is secondary to the evidence that no balls were deflated”
    ============

    This isn’t criminal court where evidence is excluded for procedural reasons. Something fishy was going on in that bathroom, enough for McNally to lie repeatedly about. And nothing would be done to those footballs without Brady’s consent.
    ______________________
    You’re right that this isn’t criminal court, but this is still planet Earth and basic common sense tells us that nothing fishy was going on in that bathroom. We know this for 100% certainty because the footballs weren’t deflated. So even if something fishy was happening it was completely irrelevant to the football inflation of NE’s footballs. The premise to your entire comment is wrong, and it doesn’t matter how many times McNally accidentally calls a toilet a urinal.

  75. Goodell told the entire world on National TV that he was maintaining Integrity for the NFL & making sure that Unfair Advantage does not happen.
    Yet Goodell did not make a statement confirming the NFL’s own inquiry when, after the NFL inspected the AFCCG footballs at half time to validate Rule 17, Brady & the Patriots went on to scoring 28 points to the Colts 0. Goodell made no statement, with the world watching, about it’s own integrity and that of the game. The world waited for Goodell to say something of major importance – Did the Patriots violate NFL Integrity and If Yes, then why are they attending the SuperBowl as AFC Chaimpions? With no answer from Goodell everyone surmised that the Patriots cheated to get to the SuperBowl. By Goodell not adressing the obvious = Rule 17 NFL Approved Footballs resulted in a 45 -7 Patriot win, Goodell intentionally withholding the validity of the AFCCG, is actively CONSPIRING against the Patriots so that the World Audience are led to believe that the Patriots committed cheated. By cheating they committed theft by intentionally tampering with the footbalss, when that in fact, did not occur.
    In short form – Goodell did not confirm that the NFL acted with Integrity in the actions from Goodell’s office while they were actively being involved with the footballs during the AFCCG and SuperBowl XLIX. The NFL watched over these games with the highest scrutiny ever in its entire history. The Patriots vindicated themselves with astounding victories on National TV and with the entire watching World.

  76. Haters! You were out coached and outplayed! End of Story! Greatest Coach and QB of all time! Next year one for the Thumb! Tommy goes home to win his 5th! Keep spewing your jealousy if it makes you feel better! You and your teams have “a loser’s mentality” I’ll enjoy seeing our 5 trophies at 1 Patriot Place Foxboro MA.

  77. He’s already losing that game money so why would the loss of money that could be given back as a team bonus teach him a lesson ??

  78. If the “integrity of the game” was so important then why did the league office allow an entire half of football in the AFC Championship Game to be played with what they suspected to be underinflated footballs?
    Answer: The sting and smearing of the Patriots was more important to them than the integrity of the game.
    That is all you need to know.

  79. Brady testified for hours under oath. He wants exoneration. Never known him to blink.

  80. If Im Brady im suing Goodell and Wells for $30 million each for defamation. Im getting something because Im not guilty. And im not signing any non disclosure agreement either.
    ===========================
    I disagree with threatening to sue those two. I don’t think Brady is guilty–at least I haven’t seen any direct evidence against him–it just that Goodell and Wells have nothing to gain and much to lose if they lose a lawsuit. If Brady threatens a suit, the Goodell can’t just drop the case (it would be an indication that Brady was right) . Best for Brady to make in known publicly that he won’t sue–that will give Goodell the okay to drop it.

    Then we can get back to football.

  81. Goodell has the authority through the CBA and the burden of proof of not “beyond a reasonable doubt” as it is in court.

    The burden of proof here is simply “more likely than not”.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Goodell does not even have “more likely than not”. – NOT EVEN CLOSE.

    There is ZERO evidence in the Well$ report or any where else.

    There is OVERWHELMING Evidence that Brady & the Patriots did not violate Rule 17 – and the World was watching and witnessed it. As will the Judge who will sit over this case should it go that far.

  82. “The premise to your entire comment is wrong, and it doesn’t matter how many times McNally accidentally calls a toilet a urinal.”
    ==============

    Then Brady won’t back down and he’ll easily win multiple lawsuits. Anything less is the equivalent of guilt, by your own logic. We’ll find out soon enough.

  83. Now that it’s been established by numerous credible scientific outlets (about 20 in all) that there was NO DEFLATION when the Laws of Physics are accounted for, there is one monumental question remaining

    HOW DID BRADY RE-INFLATE THE FOOTBALLS BEFORE HALFTIME???

    Because we KNOW from the Wells Report that they were deflated – and yet the official readings show they weren’t

    It’s quite a mystery. I think we need another investigation.

    That Tom Brady is JUST THAT SNEAKY

  84. RE LEE says:
    Jun 28, 2015 10:54 PM
    Brady testified for hours under oath. He wants exoneration. Never known him to blink.

    ****

    Well, except those 2 times against Eli and the Giants…….

  85. Florio, stop making excuses for Goodell and his guys, the ones that rushed to judgement and then called Brady a liar and a cheat. They did that through leaks, lies, and the manipulation of a media all too willing to be their errand boy.

    I have done conflict resolutions for some of the largest corporations in the US and almost always try to find a middle ground. A big part of my advice is getting clients not to take things personal (they always do) and avoid going to trial (which is long, costly, and you feel like you lost even when you win).

    This is different. The NFL made it personal. From the start, the exonerated Kraft and Belichick and laid this story on Brady with absolutely no evidence, just because they trusted their own instincts. Well, after almost six months the facts (the ones we know, because the NFL is hiding much of the facts) clearly exonerate Brady and the NFL looks more than dumb; they look dirty.

    The NFL has all of the cards because the CBA gives them that advantage but Brady isn’t folding his hand. Stop trying to tell him he can’t win because he isn’t listening to you.

  86. I love the excuse Pats fans came up with for why the one guy was called the deflator. “He was called the deflator because officials over inflated balls and Brady just wanted him to deflate the balls to the lowest legal limit”. It is a great excuse, it really is. The problem is, that just isn’t the truth, because if it was, then why didn’t the Patriots just say that instead of the dumb excuse they used about the guy being called that because he was trying to lose weight? They didn’t have as much time as you guys to think up a better excuse, that is why. I give you guys credit though, it is just a shame that your great excuse is a contradiction to what the Pats said.

    Goodell shouldn’t have suspended Brady for 4 game for deflating footballs though. He should have suspended him for the whole year for a failure to fully cooperate. Brady would have no argument for that and it would have been within Goodell right to do so, although they wouldn’t have been able to penalize the Pats for that. The MLB did the same thing to ARod. ARod didn’t get suspended for the year because of PEDs, he got suspended for impeding the investigation.

    Brady might have a case because Goodell suspended him for the wrong thing, but regardless what Pats fans want to think and others to think, Brady cheated. The NFL/Wells just didn’t do a good enough job to prove it 100%. It does seem like the NFL/Wells had a predetermined outcome, and I think that is why they didn’t do a good job investigating the thing. They were very sloppy.

  87. How about this for a compromise – Goodell sees that they have no proof of anything and realizes that they have never tested footballs for air pressure at halftime of any previous game, so they have no idea what the ‘expected range’ should be in a cold weather game.

    Compromise is that he completely vacates these phony charges against Brady and Brady does not drag Roger and his minions through the courts which would expose the real fraud committed by the NFL (documenting incorrect PSI numbers, not correcting the erroneous ESPN report, numerous leaks, etc.).

  88. Goodell has been in bed with this team and owner since day one if not ask your wife how many times you can be caught cheating before you lose it all

  89. The guy telling the truth doesn’t necessarily win in court, even if all of the evidence supports him. In contract law, the contract rights can supersede the truth. A judge could think the Wells report is a joke and the evidence against Brady is virtually non-existent but rule in favor of the NFL because the NFL acted within its rights under the CBA.

    I once lost summary judgement because the court ruled the managing director of a company didn’t have the authorization to bind the company to an agreement. The court ruled we should have gotten the company’s board to approve the deal.

    The place where Brady can win is in a defamation suit because he has clearly been damaged (the NFL is making that a fact in evidence) and because he was damaged not only by procedures allowed through the CBA but by leaks, lies, and the payment of large sums to non-independent “investigators” and “experts” to cook the books (which are not allowed under the CBA). If a judge doesn’t dismiss a Brady defamation suit in state court in Massachusetts he wins hands down.

    Maybe the CBA requires Brady to file in a venue that favors the NFL but I doubt it.

  90. Brady might have a case because Goodell suspended him for the wrong thing, but regardless what Pats fans want to think and others to think, Brady cheated. The NFL/Wells just didn’t do a good enough job to prove it 100%. It does seem like the NFL/Wells had a predetermined outcome, and I think that is why they didn’t do a good job investigating the thing. They were very sloppy.
    =============================
    Wasn’t it discovered that the Colts also had balls that were deflated? See, that’s the funny part of your little story–that fact that the more Wells dug, the more he found out it wasn’t Brady and the Patriots who cheated–it was the Colts.

    And wouldn’t it be even funnier if you were a Colts fan? Oh, the irony . . .

  91. usg1 says: I love the excuse Pats fans came up with for why the one guy was called the deflator. “He was called the deflator because officials over inflated balls and Brady just wanted him to deflate the balls to the lowest legal limit”
    =======================

    Um – not even close

    If you read any of the comments, let alone the WellsReportinContext you’d actually get the arguments right

    His job was to deflate footballs, not at game time but in a lengthy prep process of deflating and reinflating them, with deflation the first thing he (and every “Deflator” in the NFL do) – be sure to read the NY Times “Eli Manning’s Footballs Months in the Making” for a day in the life of a Deflator (the Giants Deflator states clearly he doesn’t let the balls out of his sight on game day – including I’d bet a 100 second bathroom break in which some still think he could deflate ALL the footballs perfectly when the officials couldn’t simply CHECK the Colts footballs during ALL of HALFTIME)

    If you even read the Wells Report itself you’d also know that Brady’s preferred PSI is 13.0 – not the lowest legal limit.

    That was evident in the text messages discussing how the OFFICIALS coincidentally in a Jets home game overseen by Mike Kensil, cheated by giving Brady footballs at 16.0 PSI

    I welcome smack talk – but you’re just so far off what the actual arguments are you take the fun out of it

  92. A deal was made a while ago. The minute the team announced they wouldn’t appeal the punishment, you knew a deal had been reached. The suspension will be overturned. And this will all be forgotten in 3 months.

  93. Can Goodell help pick out the Jury members for the upcoming court date?

    He can pick unbiased NFL people like:

    Mark Brunell
    Troy Aikman
    Kurt Warner
    Jerry Rice
    Eric Mangini
    Chris Mortensen
    Harbaugh
    Ray Lewis
    Chris Carter
    Emmannuel Sanders

    My BAD – Goodell has already done this – on TV.

  94. When you read the Well’s report– I’m a lawyer and have to read documents like it daily so I decided to read it–it’s stunning. It reads like a freshman english class paper. Who did Wells get to write it???!!!! It reads like the worst legal report I have ever seen.

    The fact that the science doesn’t show the Patriots to be guilty of anything aside, it can be nothing but a half-hearted, scripted legal report that won’t stand up to 15 minutes of courtroom examination. No, I think Brady’s best move is to go to court if Goodell comes back with anything but complete removal of all penalties.

  95. It doesn’t matter what the fine is or what Tom’s suspension is, his name will forever be associated with cheating and all Super Bowl appearances and Super Bowl wins by the New England Patriots are under suspicion.
    That’s just the way it is…………….

  96. Adrian Peterson was lost for 15 weeks for spanking his boy a little too hard. It can be argued that it actually cost his team a playoff spot because they finished 7-9. I think an accusation of cheating weighs much more to the league than what AP did. Fans pay real big money for football and if cheating was involved then they did not get what they paid for.

  97. Any compromise that leaves the impression that Brady is guilty is unacceptable.

    The league needs to admit (or be proved wrong in court) that there is zero evidence of tampering.

    Brady’s reputation will be cleared and the league will be forced to withdraw the $1m and 2 draft picks from the Patriots. Kraft withdraw knowing that the other owners wanted to the process to play out. The didn’t want anything that appeared as special treatment for the Pats.

    If they want to fine Brady for not turning over the cell phones, fine, it’s stupid and petty given Wells was likely doing this just to fish for anything that looked suspicious and not due to any probably cause.

    But its important the label of cheating be cleared up.

  98. No compromise. If it’s anything less than full exoneration for Brady (and it won’t be), Brady needs to take it to court, expose the Wells report for the sham that it is, expose Ted Wells as a paid hitman and legal laughingstock and put the career of Roger Goodell out of its misery.

  99. Now there has to be a way to get Brady off on his involvement. Look NFL should just say he is Tom Brady and move on. Ok he lied and cheated but that is not as important as the fact he is Tom Brady. Now any other football players would be punished and the league would have settled this already. We they hold off for a few more weeks people will have forgotten all about Deflategate.

  100. Goodell will rescind EVERYTHING ON BRADY.

    Why?

    Now that the Wells teport has been proven to be a fraud, Goodell knows that the NFL and he will lose BIG TIME when Brsdy takes this to court. Also, it will set a precident where players will appeal fines and suspensions directly to the courts instead of wasting time with the NFL.

    Brady Haters, you are just going to have to hope the Jets and Colts find some other way to frame Brady for some other fake rules violation

  101. Unless he gives up his phone, all you Brady lovers can put it in your pipe and smoke it. Unless he gives up his phone, he has something to hide and he should be fined and suspended. Plus, if they find conclusive evidence he did pull a fast one, he should be suspended for the entire season, lose hie entire salary and the Pats should be clipped a 1st round pick this year and next. If you want to clean up the league and your image, that’s the only solution on both sides.

  102. Again, no way in hell does Goodell have to drop the hammer on Brady because he didn’t go far enough in the Ray Rice case.

    Yet, you know, people being more up in arms about Rodger Goodell not going all Judge Dredd on Ray Rice when the US Department of Justice is the real culprit there. He at least got a punishment from the NFL, the DoJ let him off without even a slap on the wrist.

    Yet you never hear about that.

    Unless Brady beat the hell out of his wife sometime ago, a fine is perfectly acceptable. Aaron Rodgers got a $25k fine when the Packers got caught over-inflating balls. There’s precedent.

  103. I doubt Tom Brady dir anything other than ensure the balls were at 12.5,the rule book sates that the fine is $25,000 if a ball is tampered withI can not figure out where these BS penalties came from.

  104. This whole thing is a farce, 1st it was 11 of 12 under inflated by as much as 2lbs. Then it was 1 of 12 under inflated by a few tenths of a lb? The wells report has nothing conclusive, the referee didn’t notice anything wrong and also touched the ball every down. The NFL has became a joke, again ESPN and other media outlets ran with a story with no evidence.
    Go Cowboys

  105. No Brady, No Banner.

    Any chance in the world Goodell dares to show up in Foxboro on opening night?

    Bob Kraft must really feel pretty dumb right about now with the AEI and more science reports rolling out.

  106. After saying that Brady’s cooperation in providing additional information would be integral to any decision to reduce the suspension, I doubt it.

  107. This whole thing is such a joke. You need a lot more than “probably” or “maybe,” to tarnish the legacy of the best QB to ever play the game. This whole guilty till proven innocent thing is ridiculous. Does anyone actually think Brady would trust two random guys making $15/hr to not leak that he was cheating, if he was? The hate against Tom and the Pats comes from a place of jealousy and nowhere else, it’s pathetic. TB12 is a winner and a standup guy in the community, leave him the hell alone. Sucks that every fan can’t have a guy like that to root for…every team in the league has committed infractions at some point or made a mistake or two, but the trolls out there cry because the Pats win more consistently than any other organization. The steelers head coach trips a guy intentionally streaking down the sideline. The whole Seahawks D is on steroids. Brandon Browner couldn’t even play the beginning of last year yet he just won the superbowl. The hatered for the Pats is insane and irrational, if you didnt back losers you’d appreciate success in sports and in life. You same haters probably believe in socialism. Doesn “everyone deserve a trophy” ? Maybe next year they can pass out banners to every team for trying and the Colts can hang it in their stadium.

  108. So Goodell is worried he isn’t tough enough because he went easy on women and child beaters? So he’s going to get tough when there is definitely scientific evidence that perhaps there was no violation at all. So the Patriots and Tom Brady have to pay the price for his prior incompetence? God what an idiot he is!!!

  109. It is like that old Fram commercial, Roger you can exonerate Brady now and keep your job a bit longer, or you can go to court later and loose your job, a boat load of money and maybe even go to jail for fraud.

  110. Goodell is either completely out of control and he is ruining the league by exposing every single league problem, or he is a genius for turning a deflated ball story into huge attention and ad revenue through the summer months. This story is makng the NFL big bucks.

  111. It bothers me when people do not read the actual report and then so adamantly argue things.

    For instance – Tom Brady’s texts from his phone are already known because the investigators had the other two phones. This is moronic.

    If you read the report, you would know that McNally had selectively deleted texts – I say selectively because it was obvious that he had texts on his phone older than 6 months – so he picked certain texts to delete.

    Wells brought in a Cyber Forensics team to attempt to recover these deleted messages. They retrieved some, but not all of them. Hence the need to look at specific texts on Tom’s phone. Wells did not ask for the actual phone, just the texts.

    Simple.

    Florio, please write a story about the fake friend the Patriots trumped up. Its shameful.

  112. Enough of DeflateGate already !!!

    Let the suspension stand as is and let Brady take it to court.

    This way, Brady, Jastremski & McNally can explain what happened to all those practice balls Brady inscribed and autographed.

    I for one would love to see Brady cleared and his suspension vacated only to be charged with fraud when it’s discovered all those practice balls were sold by the Deflator as game-used balls.

  113. The only deal that is going to get Goodell out of this debacle is one he makes with Wells to throw Exponent under the bus. That would depend on whether Wells directed Exponent to come up with results that implicated Brady/Patriots, or whether he merely led them in that direction, without a direct order. I tend to think it was the latter.

    Wells could get another opinion on Exponents’ calculations on his own dime (which more probable than not would agree with AEI’s) and then claim their is no proof of deflated footballs, and change his conclusion to “inconclusive”.

    This gives them all an out except Exponent, because they get to point their finger at somebody else.

  114. All he had to do was give access to his phone. The answer to many questions regarding this matter can be found there. Brady had nothing to worry about if there was nothing there. No need to worry about your reputation if your personal actions did not tarnish it in the first instance. Unfortunately it is too late, take him to court Roger, the NFL’s integrity is on the line now. We will find out what is on his phone then. Call Brady’s bluff.

  115. I will respect this witch hunt under two conditions:

    1. Put every team under the same microscope
    2. Acknowledge that there were violations with greater impact on parity and integrity than this unproven ball deflating scheme, such as teams that won Super Bowls after circumventing the cap or that arranged to draft players that did not belong to them (e.g. E. Manning, Elway)

  116. What I’d like to hear if Goodell goes to Brady with a deal.

    Brady: Now the price of an equipment violation is $25,000, am I right?

    Goodell: That’s right.

    Brady: Now why would I ever consider paying more than that?

    Goodell: Because I intend to squeeze you.
    I don’t like your kind of people…………..
    now let’s just say that you’ll pay me because it’s in your best interest to pay me.
    But I want your answer in the mail by noon tomorrow. And one more thing, don’t you contact me again, ever. From now on you deal with Pash.

    Brady: Roger, you can have my answer now, if you like.
    My offer is this; Nothing. Not even the fine, which
    which I would appreciate if you put up personally.

  117. “My offer to you is this: nothing. Not even the fee for my top selling jersey license, which I would like you to put up personally.” – Tom Brady

  118. Stop with all the BS already.He broke the rules and should be punished,weather he is or not,no one knows. I prefer to wait for decision rather than sit and speculate.

  119. The fine route would be ridiculous. It’s like giving us ordinary people a $.10 fine for going 120 in 35 zone.

  120. mattypbillsmafia says:
    Jun 28, 2015 8:28 PM
    Dumbest thing I’ve ever read. 4 game checks doesn’t hurt Tom at all.

    ———————–

    Not to mention that a $1.9 million dollar fine is a stupid-crazy punishment for something as minor as the pressure in a football. It’s disproportionately harsh for a guy who has never been in trouble before – especially given the lack of quality evidence that suggests that he’s guilty.

  121. No deal until the Pats give back all the trophies and rings. You can’t make deals with cheaters.

  122. here’s why there is no deal for roger…..JJ and JM

    the WORST possible outcome for Roger is that he reduces the fine and then one of these guys admits to deflating to balls. He can’t take a chance as long as there is a sliver of chance, they altered the balls in any way…

    here’s why roger needs to be fired….he went all in trying to prove guilt with science – and as it turns out – his science was bogus (i think we can ALL agree on that by now). If this was an honest investigation, he would have concluded that science can not prove or disprove innocence (he would take a minor hit for not measuring and documenting the balls). He could then rely on texts and bathroom breaks to levy the fines and suspensions.

    Had he done this, he would then be able to honestly look at science and determine (without bias) whether or not the balls were deflated unnaturally. He could have taken all summer to do that.

    Now – here is what is going to happen – next year there is going to be a boatload of football deflation data. Every week, we are going to see (at a minimum) amateur youtube videos showing real pressure data vs temperature. It will be clear next year (before the loss of the draft picks) if 11lbs of air in a ball in normal or not.

    will this keep the wounds open??

  123. Dear David Wells and Rodger Goodell,

    Here’s 3 glaring things WRONG in the Wells football pressure report:

    1. TEMPERATURES: The start/end temperatures used in the Wells report for the ideal gas law calculations are all wrong and favored the tampering argument, the room temp measurements used in the Wells report are completely bogus, they were measured on February 7th when no one was in the locker room, on game day there were 12 or more officials in the room, plus attendants moving air around and adding body heat. The room temperature had to be greater than ambient temperature 72-74 degrees, this is a big mistake. Haven’t you ever been to a party and it got warm inside the room because people add heat? Also, the field temperature at halftime was more like 45 degrees, not 48 degrees as used in the Wells report according to the National Weather Service, again slight mistake, favoring tampering. These mistakes just simply add up to the level of overall inaccuracy used in the Wells investigation.

    2. VAPOR PRESSURE LOSS: The fact is air is not an ideal gas, air also has water vapor in it, the water molecules in the air would take up less space in colder environments and add additional vapor pressure loss, this is pretty simple stuff on a scientific basis. Plus it was raining, thus more water vapor in the air on that day. You never even considered that air is not an ideal gas and would lose more pressure than an ideal gas in colder environments…

    3. COLTS FOOTBALLS: Most of the conclusions in the Wells report basically said, since the Patriots footballs lost more pressure than the Colts footballs, the Patriots must have tampered. Come on man, the ideal gas law calculations alone using the correct temperature changes account for a 1.2 psi drop at a minimum. No investigation was done as to why the Colts footballs didn’t lose enough pressure??? Maybe they were kept warm on the sidelines by a nearby propane heater and you didn’t figure that out or even investigate it. Plus, the Wells report clearly said wet football’s consistently measured lower than dry footballs and the Wells report never included which footballs were measured for the Colts, wet or dry?

    See Page 200 of the Wells report it says: “both teams footballs should have lost 1.0 to 1.2 psi” due to just a 19-23 degree temperature change (67-71 down to 48). The reality was the footballs went from room temp 72-75 degrees to a 45 degree field (more like 27-30 degree change) in heavy rain in the first half. We know from the ideal gas law calculations they should have lost 1.2 at a minimum due to temp alone.

    Seriously, the level of inaccuracy and lack of true science and research done in the Wells report wouldn’t pass a high school science fair entry, I’m not kidding. Basic science says: Any football that loses 25 degrees in temperature will also lose 1.0 psi, that’s a fact. So WHY didn’t the Colts Footballs lose a minimum of 1.0 psi too? The fact is, it is not possible for them not to have lost the same amount, thus the Wells report conclusions are NOT possible… its facts of science, not whose team you root for that we should consider. The conclusions in the Wells report just don’t pass the smell test, it’s like you were looking for an answer and pulled some information together to support your conclusion, without really considering if that conclusion was even possible?

    QUESTION: So here’s the real question to you? We all know real scientists always test their conclusions. If the Patriots had tampered, would not all of the pressure measurements at halftime been much lower than what you recorded? Assuming the Patriots took out just 1.0 psi and had 1.2 psi of loss due to the temperature change, plus 0.3 psi of vapor pressure loss; that means all of the measurements had to be around 10.0 psi at halftime and none were that low, come on guys it’s not that hard. Tampering is just not possible in this case unless the Patriots took out just 0.1 to 0.3 psi out of each football which is negligible, that doesn’t make any sense.

    SOLUTION: All you have to do is inflate a few well broken in NFL footballs to 12.5 psi, take out 1 psi each with a needle, then get them really wet in cold water approx. 45 degrees, and drop them from 75 degrees F to 45 degrees F in a temperature chamber for 1 1/2 hours, and they all would have measured much lower than any of the measurements taken at halftime to prove the Patriots could NOT have tampered, come on its not that hard to figure out…

    Bad, bad science work in the Wells report, I grade it: D-

    If you think the Patriots cheated, then please help us with this dilemma, please enlighten us on exactly how much the Patriots cheated? I’ll refrain from commenting on how illogical you sound. Without any emotion or fan based hatred, please help us solve it. Question: Did you actually read the Wells report and the many rebuttals such as the AEI report with real science proving the Wells report was seriously flawed. See Page 200 of the Wells report it says: “both teams footballs should have lost 1.0 to 1.2 psi” due to just a 19-23 degree temperature change (67-71 down to 48). The reality was the footballs went from room temp 72-75 degrees to a 45 degree field (more like 27-30 degree change) in heavy rain in the first half. We know from the ideal gas law calculations they should have lost 1.2 at a minimum due to temp alone.

    So please help us understand how the Patriots cheated, if ALL the footballs should have lost 1.2 due to temp change alone, not including the Patriots cheating, not including vapor pressure loss, and not including the effect of the rain. Just help us with the math, how much should the footballs have changed due to the environmental conditions(?), and how much of the psi drop was the Patriots cheating(?)? Just help us with the math, that’s all I ask?

    When you look at it that way, trying to test “your conclusion” it doesn’t work. If the Patriots cheated all the footballs would have dropped by 2.5 psi at a minimum (1.2 temp effect + 1.0 cheating + 0.3 vapor press loss = 2.5 of total loss), not including the effect of the rain, which the Wells report said the wet footballs consistently measured 0.2 psi less than dry footballs.

    Then the final question is: Why didn’t the Colts footballs drop by the same 1.2 psi, according to the Wells report that’s NOT possible, again it doesn’t add up… The Colts footballs had to lose 1.2 psi too, they certainly didn’t defy the laws of nature for the first time in history…

    Again, just help us with the math and tell us by exactly how much the Patriots cheated, that’s all I ask?

  124. Like the NE Patriots or not do NFL fans realize this is the most trumped up controversy since the Saints bounty ‘scandal’.

    If the people in charge are remotely serious about this then I guess you must retroactively wipe out any past accomplishments of the Raiders, 49ers or Jimmy Johnson’s Cowboys.

    The only difference is we didn’t have the internet back then.

    It’s as old as sports itself. You want to take down the team that wins.

    Saints win the SB? Look what happens after that. Goodell, in his infinite stupidity, set back at what was starting to look like a flagship organization for years to come, by needlessly and mindlessly suspending Sean Payton.

    Fortunately Paul Tagliabue was the arbiter in the players suspensions and correctly overturned the suspensions.

    Goodell, I’m sure, vowed not to be embarrassed again.

    The NFL is so huge, every Sunday and playoff weekend has the feel of a holiday, that it is hard to imagine it crashing and burning in our lifetime but I do believe Roger Goodell is going to make a run at it.

  125. The Patriots have been hit for the two largest fines and punishments in NFL history yet the bozos still claim they get preferential treatment and get away with cheating. All I can assume is the haters and the jealous won’t be happy until they get Brady’s, Belichick’s and Krafts heads handed over to them on a platter and for obvious reasons. Can’t beat them, smear them.

  126. Reading some of these homers, I bet that tin foil sales have broken records in Boston!!

    I’ve never heard more stupid excuses. Good for a laugh however.

  127. sopadegato says:
    Jun 29, 2015 3:35 AM

    Again, no way in hell does Goodell have to drop the hammer on Brady because he didn’t go far enough in the Ray Rice case.

    Yet, you know, people being more up in arms about Rodger Goodell not going all Judge Dredd on Ray Rice when the US Department of Justice is the real culprit there. He at least got a punishment from the NFL, the DoJ let him off without even a slap on the wrist.

    Yet you never hear about that.

    Unless Brady beat the hell out of his wife sometime ago, a fine is perfectly acceptable. Aaron Rodgers got a $25k fine when the Packers got caught over-inflating balls. There’s precedent.
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    I’d like to see where you found evidence that Aaron Rogers was fined for over inflating footballs. Seriously, never heard about that.

  128. No way Brady accepts to play for free because he doesn’t have to, he’s not guilty of anything. The legal and PR tide had turned against Goodell. Goodell’s moronic attempt to force parity by penalizing Brady and the Patriots failed at the starting gate. He should have known it will fail because his attempt to cause the Patriots to lose the Super Bowl by distracting the team during their crucial Super Bowl preparations failed miserably.

    Goodell has only succeeded in violating the integrity of the game that he holds in such high regard. Except that the only thing that he holds in such high regard is himself. And because of that, he again has undermined his own efforts to try and force parity and maintain league integrity. And will ultimately lose to the NFLPA the autonomy currently provided a legitimate commissioner under the CBA. He fails full circle once again.

    Goodell can’t accept that Brady may be telling the truth. Goodell knows from experience that under these conditions, he himself would lie, cheat and otherwise obscure the truth in order to meet what he believes to be the higher goal. And therefore concludes that everyone else would do the same, including Brady. And of course, Goodell won’t accept the possibility that maybe Brady is more capable than him. Maybe Brady has more integrity than him. Maybe Brady is just more skilled than him and doesn’t need to lie, cheat or otherwise obscure the truth.

    Well too late now, Goodell. The Patriots have outsmarted you. All of them have; Brady, Kraft and Belichick. Cause now they have time on their side. They have mental toughness on their side. They have resolve on their side. They have righteousness on their side. And they have the law and the legal team to enforce it on their side.
    Money is not an issue for Brady. He has shown for many years that he will renegotiate his contracts for the benefit of the team. How many others in the League are willing to do that. How do you fight that Goodell. You can’t, because Brady has shown repeatedly he is willing to do whatever it takes legally to get the job done. While you, on the other hand, have demonstrated that you are only willing to do whatever it takes to have your will enforced, integrity and legality be damned.

    So Patriot fans it comes to this. We have nothing to worry about. Brady has done nothing wrong. He has a team of supporters in place to deal with this issue. And he will do what he needs to do legally to win his fifth ring this year.

    For me, I’m looking forward to Sally Jenkins’ full disclosure Best Selling book on how this came to be. I can see the book title in mind, “Roger Goodell is a Liar.” Where can I preorder?

  129. BoulderPhinfan says:
    Jun 29, 2015 9:37 AM

    if he gets anything less than 4 games I’m done with the NFL
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    Being a phin fan would be more than reason enough for me to be done with the NFL.

  130. How about the league admit that the Patriots did nothing wrong, exonerate Brday, Eat the Wells report for what it is… An unsubstantiated effort to catch the Patriots cheating when there is not proof they did.

    Give back the draft picks, apologize to Bob Kraft, and Goodell resign.

    That would be Justice.

  131. “Goodell arguably has nothing to gain and everything to lose by voluntarily allowing Brady to play in every game of the 2015 season.” So leave the suspension as is!

  132. NO DEALS. If you care even a little bit about the integrity of the game, do NOT reduce the penalty for this dirty cheater. Four games was a ridiculously light penalty to begin with… he should have been suspended for a full season and the Patriots should have been stripped of their title.

  133. The Pats have a bye week in week four, so the four game suspension actually includes the week 5 game vs. Cowboys. That gives the Cowboys an advantage since all other NFC East teams will play the Pats with Brady.

    I am against anything done to favor the Cowboys. So, a deal to reduce the suspension to 3 games seems fair. Or, make the suspension for the four games vs. the NFC East. That is fair for every team and division.

  134. Dear Roger,

    If you offer me the same non cooperation fine you gave Favre and no suspension then we have a deal.

    Otherwise…see you in court and get ready for you and your Jet buddies in the league front office to get annihilated.

    Sincerely,
    Super Bowl MVP and GOAT Tom Brady

  135. scotthyde nails a number of the major issues above. Basically at no point are we told by the NFL what
    a) they think should be the amount of deflation that would be expected
    b) why the Patriots lost more than that
    c) why the Colts didn’t.

    The truth is, as the AEI report stated, that the Patriots’ pressure loss was pretty much what would be expected. The Colts’ pressure loss is inconsistent with the same temperature, but is consistent with the balls being tested much later during the halftime period. A later gauging is also consistent with the statement that only 4 of their balls were gauged because they “ran out of time”.

    In the category of “what doesn’t prove anything” we have the text messages. Let’s say somebody wrote a text message last May talking about how he liked driving fast, in which he referred to himself as “Speedy Gonzalez”. Let’s say this guy drove past a speed camera in January that showed him driving the speed limit. Does the text message trump the camera? Obviously not.

    At some point you have to prove that somebody actually did something wrong, and didn’t just talk about doing something wrong (though the NFL hasn’t even reached that much lower standard).

  136. The more I read the more it is clear that the Patriots didn’t do anything wrong. They had motive and opportunity for sure but as long as prevailing scientific opinion maintains that their balls were at the expected pressure there is no crime. The problem is we can’t have a consensus with prevailing scientific opinion because the NFL destroyed the only evidence which could definitively incriminate Brady and the Pats or exonerate them. The real crime here is with the NFL hindering its own investigation. Now, because of public outrage, either Brady’s head rolls or Goodell goes on the chopping block. I think Roger the Dodger needs to throw somebody else under the bus. Perhaps he comes out with a statement such that “We can neither conclusively incriminate nor exonerate the Patriots because of Mike Kensil’s contamination of the evidence and because office leaks from xxxx have interfered with our investigation. These parties are hereby removed from the NFL and the punishments levied are rescinded.” In this manner the Pats fans get their player, the Pats haters can gloat that the Patriots were never officially exonerated, Roger Goodell appears decisive, Brady plays, and the public gets a good blood-letting by directing their outrage towards a party who is actually and demonstrably guilty of something.

  137. How about a compromise?

    The League drops the charges against Brady and in exchange, the Seahawks, Colts and Ravens each get a shiny gold participation trophy with the words “Great Job! At Least You Tried!” inscribed on them.

  138. Regardless of where things go from here, the fact still remains Tom Brady did not give up his phone to investigators. In fact, Wells Inc. didn’t even want Brady to give up the phone, just the texts between himself and the two schmoes from the Pats equipment staff. He didn’t do it.

    At that point, Brady put himself at the mercy of Wells and Goodell and what they ASSUME happened. Clearly if you’re completely innocent and have nothing to hide you give up your phone, texts, sexts, everything to clear your name. Tom didn’t, therefore we can assume he’s guilty. He dug his own grave and should be punished accordingly.

  139. Are you out of your mind !?!? The infraction carries a fine of
    $25,000…do you realize what a 4 game fine would be for him ?!!?!?

    Also

    Can someone tell me why on God’s earth do the officials
    hold absolutely no culpability whatsoever in all this ?

    They handle the balls every single play and don’t know ?

    So then how much of an advantage could possibly be gained ?@???@?

  140. canedaddy says:
    Jun 29, 2015 11:43 AM

    NO DEALS. If you care even a little bit about the integrity of the game, do NOT reduce the penalty for this dirty cheater. Four games was a ridiculously light penalty to begin with… he should have been suspended for a full season and the Patriots should have been stripped of their title.
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    What has Roger Goodell ever done to give even the slightest impression that he cares about the integrity of the game?

    The Great Deflategate* Farce of 2015 is about as far away as you can get from caring about the integrity of the game.

  141. I would be so disappointed in Brady if he accepted a deal like that. He’s be pulling a ‘Kraft’. Fight it all the way Tom!!!

    Also:kenbell97 says:
    Jun 29, 2015 1:03 PM
    Regardless of where things go from here, the fact still remains Tom Brady did not give up his phone to investigators. In fact, Wells Inc. didn’t even want Brady to give up the phone, just the texts between himself and the two schmoes from the Pats equipment staff. He didn’t do it.

    At that point, Brady put himself at the mercy of Wells and Goodell and what they ASSUME happened. Clearly if you’re completely innocent and have nothing to hide you give up your phone, texts, sexts, everything to clear your name. Tom didn’t, therefore we can assume he’s guilty. He dug his own grave and should be punished accordingly.


    You’re saying that you would have given up your phone to a boss who was obviously out to get you? You would not be too bright if you did that. The CBA does NOT trump the US Constitution. Brady was under no obligation to turn over his phone and for you to say that that construes his guilt is naive and simply wrong.

  142. daytontriangles says:
    Jun 29, 2015 1:02 PM
    How about a compromise?

    The League drops the charges against Brady and in exchange, the Seahawks, Colts and Ravens each get a shiny gold participation trophy with the words “Great Job! At Least You Tried!” inscribed on them.

    —-

    The Seahawks and the Ravens have too much pride and dignity to accept such a trophy. The Colts, on the other hand, have already cleared off a shelf for theirs!

  143. canedaddy says:
    Jun 29, 2015 11:43 AM
    NO DEALS. If you care even a little bit about the integrity of the game, do NOT reduce the penalty for this dirty cheater. Four games was a ridiculously light penalty to begin with… he should have been suspended for a full season and the Patriots should have been stripped of their title.

    —–
    I’ve been wanting to ask people who post this same garbage for a long time…..under what precedent would you suspend a player for a full season for a minor infraction which the rule book says should carry a $25000 fine? And in what universe does the NFL have the right to strip any team of their title? I hope any judge who you ever come up before doesn’t have your sensibilities…you’d go before him for a minor traffic violation and you’d be sentenced to life without parole.

  144. Where do these JA come up with this stuff???

    No Deals, Everything to be over turned and Rodger Agrees to resign at the end of July 2015, Tom settles out of court with Wells for $500 million.

  145. The NFL truly has the most meatball fans out there…I love football, but man, some of the though processes shared on here makes you weep for humanity, and this is just football. Can you imagine the life decisions some of these people posting make, and the thoughts they used to get there?

    Look, if you think he’s guilty–I would LOVE to see you or someone you love, accused of something, and have this level of garbage and assumption be the evidence on which you are tried, at your job, costing you your check regardless of monetary value, in court, and in public opinion…I suspect then you’d sing a much different tune. I don’t know if he did anything, what I do know is nothing they have as “evidence” shows without large degree of doubt that he did anything, or ordered anyone to do anything. That Wells report is comical in its conclusions. If it were you on the hotseat, you’d be the first one to pick apart that report because it’s a steaming pile.

  146. Brady screwed himself when he banked on his punishments being the same as Farve’s. How he compared to refusing to fully cooperate in an investigation regarding circumventing league rules that has a direct result of the outcome of the game and or the stats of that game versus sending a photo of your privates is beyond me. Perhaps a Pat fan can explain thid.

  147. Let him play! What difference does it make? The majority of fans believe he’s a cheat and would prefer the opportunity to tell him so at the games. Few deny his greatness as a QB. It’s his low character that we don’t like.

  148. Goodell does NOT want to be dragged into court to defend the ridiculous Wells report and the League office shenanigans leaking FALSE info to the media to make Brady look bad. Kessler will tear those clowns apart.

  149. stburke40 says:
    Jun 29, 2015 1:27 PM

    I’ve been wanting to ask people who post this same garbage for a long time…..under what precedent would you suspend a player for a full season for a minor infraction which the rule book says should carry a $25000 fine? And in what universe does the NFL have the right to strip any team of their title? I hope any judge who you ever come up before doesn’t have your sensibilities…you’d go before him for a minor traffic violation and you’d be sentenced to life without parole.
    ————————————————
    We’ve seen players miss entire seasons for off-the-field issues that had zero impact on the integrity of the game. I believe on-the-field misdeeds and cheating are much more serious, and should be dealt with accordingly.

    The playing field HAS to be level or the NFL is dead… no one wants to watch football where one side has an illegal advantage.

    It’s obvious that the Colts game wasn’t the first time Brady had the balls deflated so he could grip them better. It’s very likely that he’s been doing it for years, and there’s not much doubt it was done in the previous week’s game vs. the Ravens. You’ll recall how close that was … having a better grip on the ball than your opponents clearly could mean the difference between winning vs. losing.

    THAT is why Brady should be suspended for a full season… to send a message that no matter who you are, if you break the rules you will pay a heavy price.

    The same goes for stripping the Patriots of their title. This is their second offense when it comes to cheating. Evidently they need to be hammered hard to get the message that they have to follow the rules like everybody else.

  150. Far be it for me to shed some facts on this nonsense, but to all the haters.
    1) There is NO definitive proof that Tom Brady did any wrong doing.
    2) Jim McNally calling himself the “deflator” came from a text that he sent 8 months PRIOR to the AFCCG
    3) There are no texts, nor is there anyone that ever heard, or read that Tom Brady told Jim Jastremski to deflate footballs.
    Perhaps before all the ignorant people stand up and screams falsehoods as facts, they could actually find facts.
    Just because ESPN said it (as is evidence multiple times regarding this topic) does not make it fact!!

  151. I thought Goodell nearly lost his job because he lied about having seen the second video, not that he went to light on Rice to begin with.

  152. canedaddy says:
    Jun 30, 2015 12:08 PM We’ve seen players miss entire seasons for off-the-field issues that had zero impact on the integrity of the game. I believe on-the-field misdeeds and cheating are much more serious, and should be dealt with accordingly.

    The playing field HAS to be level or the NFL is dead… no one wants to watch football where one side has an illegal advantage.

    It’s obvious that the Colts game wasn’t the first time Brady had the balls deflated so he could grip them better. It’s very likely that he’s been doing it for years, and there’s not much doubt it was done in the previous week’s game vs. the Ravens. You’ll recall how close that was … having a better grip on the ball than your opponents clearly could mean the difference between winning vs. losing.

    THAT is why Brady should be suspended for a full season… to send a message that no matter who you are, if you break the rules you will pay a heavy price.

    The same goes for stripping the Patriots of their title. This is their second offense when it comes to cheating. Evidently they need to be hammered hard to get the message that they have to follow the rules like everybody else.

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    I read thoughts like this and really no longer have any response to it but derision. The complete and utter lack of critical thinking in this thought process is just abysmal. Sadly, it is this type of “thinking” that the NFL depends on.

    The stupidity disgusts me.

  153. nobs1106 says:
    Jun 29, 2015 2:30 PM
    Where do these JA come up with this stuff???

    No Deals, Everything to be over turned and Rodger Agrees to resign at the end of July 2015, Tom settles out of court with Wells for $500 million.

    ****

    Fantasy

  154. enoch1root says:
    Jul 1, 2015 8:21 AM

    I read thoughts like this and really no longer have any response to it but derision. The complete and utter lack of critical thinking in this thought process is just abysmal. Sadly, it is this type of “thinking” that the NFL depends on.

    The stupidity disgusts me.
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    Take off the blinders and embrace reality.

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