Hall of Fame voters won’t hold Deflategate against Brady

AP

The Baseball Hall of Fame has become a joke in recent years, with many of the greatest players in recent history, from Pete Rose to Barry Bonds to Roger Clemens, kept out over off-field issues. Fortunately, the Pro Football Hall of Fame will not follow that path.

The rules for the football Hall of Fame have always clearly stated that the voters are to consider only on-field accomplishments, and that’s exactly what Pro Football Hall of Fame voters will do in the case of Tom Brady. Although some might say that Deflategate should brand Brady as a cheater and keep him out of Canton, that’s not the view of the voters.

Richard Deitsch of SI.com reached out to eight Hall of Fame voters and found that they’re not going to let Deflategate outweigh the fact that Brady is a three-time Super Bowl MVP, two-time regular-season MVP, two-time first-team All-Pro and 10-time Pro Bowler.

About the closest any voter came to suggesting that Deflategate will cost Brady any Hall of Fame votes was Rick Gosselin of the Dallas Morning News, and even he opened his comments with, “Brady is still going into the Hall of Fame.” Gosselin just thinks Deflategate could cause Brady to have to wait a year rather than being a first-ballot Hall of Famer.

Even that would be wrong. Brady has done enough on the field that he belongs in the Hall of Fame. Deflategate doesn’t change that.

171 responses to “Hall of Fame voters won’t hold Deflategate against Brady

  1. Lol, this guy and his coach have been cheaters for over a decade now, yet no one seems to care. Taping walkthroughs, tuck rule, tampering with head sets, taping sideline signals, illegal formations, manipulation of the injury report and rules, deflating footballs in order to reduce fumbles, the list goes on and on and ON.

    Absolutely hilarious, this league is a complete joke.

  2. The fact that he used fully inflated footballs to dismantle the Colt’s in the second half of the game, and then went to work against a Seattle D that is pretty incredible with fully inflated footballs highlights exactly why this won’t be an issue to most voters.

  3. That’s only 8 of the 46 voters. Surely many (or most) of the others will take blatant cheating into account. How would Brady have fared if he followed the rules? We’ll never know. His legacy is forever tarnished by that question, as were Bonds, McGwire, Armstrong, etc.

  4. He has a lot of career left. I have a feeling that this whole “scandal” will lose a lot of its steam once football starts again and people actually have something to talk about.

  5. I completely disagree with this line of thought.

    Spygate, Deflategate, there is a pattern of cheating surrounding not only Brady, but the entire Pats era under Billicheat.

    Neither of them should be allowed anywhere near enshrinement. The price of cheating and/or attempting to cheat should be severe. These are not off field issues, these are attempts to gain unfair advantage.

    Neither of these two cheating ass clowns should even be in the league right now, let alone considered for enshrinement.

  6. So something he didn’t do won’t be held against him? Wow, good for you Hall of Fame voters, good for you.

  7. NFL HOF is already a joke. It is a popularity contest, and it lost its luster years ago.

  8. The fact that this is even a post over a “more probable than not” conclusion (according to Wells) of somehow going to great lengths to remove 0.45 PSI from a football is laughable. I’m out.

  9. When on-field accomplishments are altered or aided by cheating, it deserves some discussion. Brady will undoubtedly get into the HOF but he has also unquestionably benefitted from cheating.

  10. Roger Goodell and all his minions who have fouled up everything they have done over the last few years needed something to save their jobs….. the life long pr guy comes up with a plan of bait and switch a psi sting, even though no one in the 80 years of the NFL has ever cared about this… let’s go after the Patriots again..how easy….as slimey and arrogant and one so lacking in integrity as Goodell is… it worked, and the lemmings follow..absolutely the single most despicable thing the NFL could do or ever will do…intentionally ruin someones legacy to protect their own jobs.

  11. So does that mean that Adrian Peterson will be voted in? Or would Sapp have been voted in before his recent legal issues? I find that hard to believe that voters wouldn’t take other things into consideration.

  12. Jesus christ do people really think that Brady will not make it to the hall of fame on the first ballot?? Hahah man c’mon.. They already have his measurements for his jacket.

  13. Pete Rose should be reinstated . He has paid his dues ten times more than the current crop of roid users and should be in the HOF. Besides, have you seen his wife. He should get in for convincingly her to marry him.

    And Tommy should get in as well. I can guarantee a lot of players have pushed the rules to get an edge. They just didn’t get caught. …

  14. JSpicoli says:
    Jun 29, 2015 12:13 PM
    NFL HOF is already a joke. It is a popularity contest, and it lost its luster years ago.

    _______________

    Still better the the MLB hall by miles.

  15. #1 what OJ did was off the field and well after his playing days- it had nothing to do with his game play. #2 if any of you actually read this article they are referring to one line is “its his heart and drive that make him a HOF player and not the air in the ball”………thats like talking about Barry Bond or A-Rod and saying “its their heart and drive that make them HOF players and not the PED’s in their system”. Can any of you patriots fans say its any different? Lance has some of the most heart of any athlete ever- that doesn’t negate his cheating.

  16. It’s funny, the league wants you to become a good upstanding citizen and play by the rules….. Yet do not punish the guilty. Perhaps Tommy boy always played with deflated footballs and that made him a better QB? Possible? Slightly…. However anything is possible. The coach is a known cheater, Brady is a known poor winner… League is pathetic.

  17. I love all the “cheater cheater” and “tainted” morons. The fact that the HOF voters won’t hold if against Brady should tell you something. Every fan who’s truly un biased knows that nothing happened and that Goodell and the NFL are just trying (pathetically) to cover their asses. Jealousy and envy bring out the worst in people. Sad. And it’s always the usual suspects. Don’t you guys have anything else in your life but football and jealousy? It’s just a game.

  18. “Yeah, but the people will always know he cheated!”

    – Trolls who ACTUALLY believe their opinions mean something or that people care.

  19. This is a little premature. If Brady appeals to a real court – and evidence is disclosed within discovery (phone records, text, emails) it could paint a whole new light on Brady’s deception, and his efforts to cover it up by withholding information in the leagues investigation

  20. Brady was generally aware that nothing whatsoever was done to the footballs, other than playing a game with them in 48 degree rainy weather

  21. Brady is a lying cheater just like his coach. Their team gained a significant advantage playing with deflated footballs – namely, a reduced fumbling rate ever since Jim McNally was installed as the deflator in 2007. The data does not lie. Check it out on the blog page at Sharp Football Analysis.

  22. IT SHOULD MATTER – the guy is a proved serial cheater. He should not get in. He is a Liar and a Cheater…And he has no remorse for the multiple things we know about – there has got to be tons of other ways the Patriots have cheated that we Don’t know about yet….#Deflatriots. #Bradyisafraud #Belicheat #Asteriskville

  23. The fact that this is even discussed is a travesty. The smearing of TB12 has saddened me. But then I think thta TB12 and Belichick have won a lot and all those wins have come at the expense of somebody. While it is not right to frame your opponent if you can’t beat him on the field, one could see why the opponents would do just that to give it back to the Pats at least in some way. That’s just the world we live in.

  24. Perhaps a few laughably ignorant voters will hold it against him but the majority of voters are intelligent and informed football people who won’t.

    He’ll have more than enough of support to get him in on the first ballot, and the same is true for Belichick.

  25. Spygate, Deflatgate, HGH, who know what other “gates” haven’t been exposed.

    Serial Cheater, Shady Brady ****

  26. The guy has accomplished a lot and should be in the Hall of Fame, but as the first poster said, there has been a history of messing with the integrity of the game. Fans would call it gamesmanship. Is that what you would tell a little kid or would you call it what it is? Cheating.

    The massive penalties and fines this team has faced tells you all you need to know. Put him in Hall, but lets not pretend this team hasn’t won with some pretty shady tactics.

    (Begin defending Brady and Patriots with obscure details, gamesmanship garbage, arm chair physics and everyone does it arguments in 3…2…1… Go!!)

  27. Brady is in HOF in first year. He will have asterisks. However they will say “not only did he accomplish what no other QB has accomplished, but he did so in spite of obstructions placed in his path by those at all levels of the NFL.”

  28. As much as I dislike the patriots as an organization, Brady may be the greatest QB ever. First ballot is the only thing that makes sense to me.

  29. So you’re saying off the field scandals and behavior doesn’t matter?

    So Darren Sharper should be getting a call any day now then?

    Please.

    If they determine it not to be a large factor that’s one thing, but spare us from the idea that they don’t factor scandals, allegations and just an overall “gut feeling” into the decision making.

    Otherwise Ricky Waters, Art Modell, Jimmy Johnson, and TO wouldn’t be questions.

  30. “Taping walkthroughs, tuck rule, tampering with head sets, taping sideline signals, illegal formations, manipulation of the injury report and rules, deflating footballs”

    They never taped walkthroughs that is a disproven myth. Hundred million dollar media companies like the Herald (or whatever they were worth at the time) don’t make retractions for things that are true.

    The tuck rule was a valid rule called correctly, so not sure how that qualifies as “cheating”.

    There is zero evidence of tampering with headsets other than whining and since comm goes out periodically in every NFL stadium by your logic every team is a cheater.

    Yes they tape one game illegally from the sidelines, but since it was not illegal to do so prior to the 2007 season wow, one game where they got info clearly visible to everyone in the stadium from an incorrect position. How horrible.

    Illegal formations ? Not. They were legal formations and used by the Lions and I think Browns earlier in the year and nobody said squat until incompetent Harbaugh flipped out instead of calling a timeout or coached his D to the standard of going to zone if you don’t recognize the formation. And the refs helped the Ravens screaming out “Don’t cover 34, 34 is not a receiver”

    Lolz at the injury report whining, as if every team doesn’t play with the injury report.

    Deflating footballs, the Wells report shows no such thing actually happened but I realize the poor edumacational system in the US today has not prepare you to understand ‘science” things like the Ideal Gas Law.

  31. When goodell punished the patriots and Tom Brady and claimed to be protecting the integrity of the game he did not punish them for cheating. Goodell punished the pats and Brady for winning. The NFL can’t stand to lose fans and if the pats keep winning other teams fans will stop watching. The best way to beat Brady is to keep him off the field. 31 other teams couldn’t do it so he NFL tried and failed to find another way.

  32. You’ve all officially lost your minds. You have watched him dismantle defenses for 15 years, and think that it had anything to do with cheating?

    Delusion. Pure delusion. He dominates because he reads defenses and delivers accurate passes better than anyone that has ever put on a helmet. He threw 50 TD in 2007 because of a general awareness that the referee misremembered what gauge he used and there was 0.4 psi missing from footballs.

    Do you see how ridiculous that sounds? 0.4 psi leaves a football with a simple 15 degree temperature swing. If a game starts at 72 degrees and ends at 57 degrees, the ball is 0.4 psi flatter!

    Is he a cheater because he’s played his entire career on a cold weather home team where balls are more likely to be significantly deflated due to temperature?

    At what point as a hater do you realize how stupid your argument is when it is centered around 1. 0.4 psi in a football and 2. filming of defensive coaching signals from the incorrect part of the stadium for 1 game?

    That’s why the Patriots win? Those 2 things? Not because they dominate teams up and down the field, win the battle in the trenches, make big kicks in crunch time, win all 3 facets of the game? It’s because they filmed in the illegal area back in 2007 for 1 game, months after a new memo had banned it. And they allegedly removed 0.4 psi from the football. Which still hasn’t even been remotely proven, in fact there is plenty of direct evidence that proves it false (logic regarding gauge use, October texts that CLEARLY state balls should be 13 psi, directly inside the legal range).

    Again, you’ve all lost your minds.

  33. ReligionIsForIdiots says:
    Jun 29, 2015 12:08 PM

    Lol, this guy and his coach have been cheaters for over a decade now, yet no one seems to care. Taping walkthroughs, tuck rule, tampering with head sets, taping sideline signals, illegal formations, manipulation of the injury report and rules, deflating footballs in order to reduce fumbles, the list goes on and on and ON.

    Absolutely hilarious, this league is a complete joke.-
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    Must be the most religious poster on PFT
    Taping walkthroughs—–Absolutely false, period.
    tuck rule—–Legal and called by the official, not the pats.
    Tampering with headsets—-Now you’re just making stuff up.
    Taping sideline signals—- yep, like everyone else was, except they arrogantly chose to film from the same location the Jets had illegally filmed from the previous year unpunished, and were, up until that point handed the biggest punishment in NFL history.
    Illegal formations—-Why do I even bother? They were and always were legal until the crybabies wailed loud enough because they had been outsmarted, again.
    Deflating footballs in order to reduce fumbles—-Oh I love this one! Totally debunked.
    Manipulation of the injury report—another beauty. The league has all teams film all practices to prove who was and wasn’t able to play if such accusations arise. The Patriots have NEVER been found to have manipulated the injury report.

  34. First off the science of deflategate is very much in question. To the point that there is a good chance they didn’t do anything to the balls. Funny how the haters have all the faith in the world for a commissioner that this time last year most were calling for his head because he is incompetent and subsequently it seems his underlings are both that and with an agenda against Brady and the Pats.

  35. ReligionIsForIdiots says:Jun 29, 2015 12:08 PM

    Lol, this guy and his coach have been cheaters for over a decade now, yet no one seems to care. Taping walkthroughs, tuck rule, tampering with head sets, taping sideline signals, illegal formations, manipulation of the injury report and rules, deflating footballs in order to reduce fumbles, the list goes on and on and ON.

    Absolutely hilarious, this league is a complete joke.

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    No walkthroughs were taped. That story was retracted and the journalist fired. But I’m guessing you already knew that.

    The formation were legal. The tuck rule was a rule.

    Deflating footballs has been far from proven as Wells continues to take a beating over his report.

    The sideline taping is Belichick’s doing, and he did it out of some paranoia that other coaches were slow to comply with the new Sherriff’s rule structure. And anyone can tape the sideline — just not from the location Belichick chose to film from.

    So your case is shoddy at best. But then you are the practitioner of America’s greatest religion yet … NFL Football. We all worship at a different altar but our faiths keep us from being objective.

  36. “The rules for the football Hall of Fame have always clearly stated that the voters are to consider only on-field accomplishments”
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    OK, but, we’re not talking deflating footballs during practice, in his living room, or his back yard. They were deflated for in-game situations, you know, “on the field”. Wouldn’t his “accomplishments” be enhanced by his cheating?

    I don’t follow how his (on field) actions are “exempt” and the NFL HOF is so upstanding for the “path they follow”.

    Kind of like saying the cost of living doesn’t include gasoline prices. Oh wait, bad analogy, never mind.

  37. Who really cares. Deflady will get in the HOF but the rest of the world will know him as “the cheater” who cheated the integrity of the game for years.

  38. Even if /when Tom gets all the Deflategate stuff dropped I am sure if you asked him -he would say that he hates an article is even written about this topic. Lots will put him in same conversation as Rose,Lance Armstrong,Bonds and others.
    Pats have a shady way of doing things and this is the trade off. Lots of teams and their fan base would trade $1.75 million in fines , draft picks, and a possible suspension for SB MVP for cheating if it got them 4 Lombardies .
    So if anyone sees or knows Tom ask him about this article ,which will soon have 300 plus responses, if he is relieved he will still be a first ballot HOF.
    Shameful if you ask me.

  39. I wouldn’t hold that against him any more than you hold things against the old Raiders or Steelers teams for “cheating.” I hold the fact that he took the girl I wanted against him though.

  40. Spygate, Deflatgate, HGH, who know what other “gates” haven’t been exposed.

    Serial Cheater, Shady Brady ****
    ________________________________________

    Wait…..wait, wait. WHEN was Brady accused of using HGH?!

  41. I am astounded by some of the comments.

    How does Brady get blamed for the Tuck Rule? It was the REF that made the call, not him. How is that cheating?

    That’s like when your teacher grades your test, and gives you credit answers you got wrong because they messed up. You aren’t going to tell them.

    Spygate had nothing to do with Brady. Even if it did, IT WAS ONE GAME, PEOPLE. One. That’s it.

    Deflategate is a sham as well. There has been no proof that he did anything at all.

    If people don’t think he belongs in the HOF, but support an ADMITTED cheater like Jerry Rice, then something is wrong.

  42. “The Baseball Hall of Fame has become a joke in recent years, with many of the greatest players in recent history, from Pete Rose to Barry Bonds to Roger Clemens, kept out over off-field issues. ”

    Taking steroids and other PEDs is not an off the field issue. It is an on the field issue. It is an on the field issue because the players use them to gain an illegal advantage on the field. Bonds and Clemens on the field stats are tainted by PED use…it is absolutely an on the field issue.

  43. It BOGGLES my mind that grown men ACTUALLY think that a deflated ball is what has made Brady great. Just absolutely the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Pathetic that people ignore the facts of the spygate crap too… Unbelievable to me that people read NOTHING but what fuels their own stupid, completely biased opinions.

  44. Not a fan of the guy but he should be in the HOF. At this point he could probably choke a puppy on live prime television and he is still getting in.

  45. Lol, this guy and his coach have been cheaters for over a decade now, yet no one seems to care. Taping walkthroughs, tuck rule, tampering with head sets, taping sideline signals, illegal formations, manipulation of the injury report and rules, deflating footballs in order to reduce fumbles, the list goes on and on and ON.

    Absolutely hilarious, this league is a complete joke.
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    Taping walkthroughs- didn’t happen

    Tuck rule- was created and used before 2001 plus NE didn’t even make that call in that game

    Tampering with headsets- no proof of that whatsoever

    Taping sideline signals- legal

    Illegal formations- were actually legal at that time, even the league confirmed it.

    Manipulation of the injury report- well done Sherlock, you caught them. This could well be the most serious affront to league rules ever conceived. Too bad it happened in 1986, well before the Belichick/Brady era.

    Deflategate in order to reduce fumbles- First off, that study about the fumbles has been debunked. And second off, the footballs were never deflated, which again debunks the study about the fumbles.

    And if the list actually went on and on and on, you would’ve listed it. The fact that it didn’t means that it ends there. You’re batting 0-7 on your accusations, maybe do more research. Because what you presented here is the actual joke.

  46. They reached out to only 8 voters? Were they all from the NE area or what? That’s kind of an important thing.

  47. God you haters are a joke. Keep spinning those false facts around in your head. 99% of you don’t even know what “spygate” is, you group a bunch of things together that have nothing to do with it. FYI, the 2001 so called walk through video was proven to be bullsh!t and video taping from the sidelines was legal up until 2007 when you could only do it from a certain spot (and is still happening). It’s more than obvious “deflategate” is bull as well. Anyone that’s willing to look at the facts without their hater glasses on can see that. So keep hating and forgetting about the things other teams have done, the Pats will keep winning.

  48. PED abuse is not considered an off-the-field issues in MLB or any other professional sport.

  49. The New England Asterisks ********************************************************************************************************************************************* – Must suck to have all those SB “victories” and not be able to enjoy them because everyone knows they are fraudulent – HAHA ********************************************************************************************
    Frauds

  50. Of course they won’t. Most voters (not all, but most) are intelligent and informed about the great sport of football and the NFL.

    All Patriot Haters are neither of course but that goes without saying.

    🙂

  51. If they do then they should hold salary cap scandal against Elway, steroids against Bradshaw, Pumping noise through the speakers for defensive advantage against Manning (it helped his defense and subsequently his offense), The referees in Big Ben’s first superbowl against him, Joe Montana played with Jerry Rice who used stickum, the fact that Dan Marino tried to sell his soul in Little Nicky for a Superbowl ring.

    All stupid reasons right? “Deflategate” fits in right there.

  52. To anybody who thinks the Sharp football analysis “proves” the Patriots have been cheating for ten years:

    a) you don’t know how to do statistics
    Sharp made a very silly mistake, thinking that, since fumbles per carry were normally distributed, carries per fumble should be, also. That’s a silly mistake.

    b) you don’t know how to do science
    Sharp wants to argue that “showing the fumble rate is not caused by random factors” means “showing that it’s caused by a decrease in air pressure in the footballs.” There are two major problems in this argument. The first is that he hasn’t shown that a decrease an air pressure can cause a drop in the fumble rate. The second is that he would also need to show that _only_ a decrease in air pressure can cause a drop in the fumble rate. To the second point, we know that this is not true. We have tons of evidence showing that fumble rates vary from player to player. We also have evidence showing that a given player can improve his ability to hold onto the ball (look at Tiki Barber’s fumble numbers over the course of his career – and he’s not the only one).

    So we have proven explanations that can be used, or a theory somebody just pulled out of thin air, and which has never been verified.

    c) you don’t know how to read rebuttals

    This stuff was all rebutted a long time ago. It’s weak to pull it out now as if it’s credible science or a convincing statistical argument. The only people who think Sharp is on to anything are people predisposed against the Patriots.

  53. Someone else put it perfectly in one of the 26,568 deflategate threads: this is like insisting that someone is a murderer without a killing having taken place.

    The science proves the balls weren’t deflated.

    This is all about two things at this point:

    – Goodell salvaging his reputation
    – Football fans who can’t stand the Patriots PRAYING TO GOD that a nonsense, fabricated punishment sticks

    Come September, I will be on my couch, rooting for Tom and the Pats, laughing at you all.

  54. Brady > your teams QB
    Belichick > your teams coach
    World Champion Patriots > your team
    Patriot fans > your teams fans

    Facts are facts Patriot Hater. Didn’t say you had to like them. 🙂

  55. stexan says:
    Jun 29, 2015 12:25 PM

    PED’s are 100% onfield issues. And those who say “well deflating didnt really even help him, he would have done all the same stuff with fully inflated balls.” To that i say, well then i guess Barry and A-rod and Lance all would have done the same exact thing without PED’s right? I mean brady cheated, has been found guilty (despite patriots ‘theories’, as of now brady has been found GUILTY) and i dont know any person on earth who cheats if it doesnt really help you at all. You only cheat because #1 you dont think you can compete on the same level as others and #2 the cheating will improve your game. So anyone who cheats the rules to improve their play should be ineligible for hall of fame. Thats my 2 cents. As of right now brady is a confirmed cheater in the eyes of the NFL- any Pats idiot can say he isnt, that doesnt mean crap. Aaron hernandez fiance can spout out that he is innocent if she wants, but in the eyes of the ppl that matter- he is guilty.

  56. boltshawks says:

    This is a little premature. If Brady appeals to a real court – and evidence is disclosed within discovery (phone records, text, emails) it could paint a whole new light on Brady’s deception, and his efforts to cover it up by withholding information in the leagues investigation
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    Exactly why it will never get to court.

  57. abninf says:
    Jun 29, 2015 12:48 PM

    They reached out to only 8 voters? Were they all from the NE area or what? That’s kind of an important thing.

    You could click on the link and find out yourself. (Hint: the answer is no.) Also, the fact that one is from Dallas is mentioned above.

  58. There are several QBs in the HOF that have not won a legitimate Super Bowl so it’s not like TB will be setting a precedent. Oh, wait. He will. The first QB to have 4 tainted rings.

  59. He was great before QBs had control over their own balls. He was great after that. He was great when he had Randy Moss. He was great when he had random collections of non-name receivers. He was great against the Colts when the balls might have been a little low on air. He was even better when the balls were fully inflated in the second half. And he was best in this last Super Bowl when no funny business with the balls was possible.

    Greatest QB of this generation, hands down. No asterisks, no doubts, no “cheating”.

    I’m a Cowboys fan. Full respect to Brady, for consistent greatness through a huge variety of circumstances.

  60. For those who want asterisks there will be asterisks. None of this is handed down in stone. History is still written by the winners. And fans of Brady have a LONG LONG list of asterisks they can dole out to other franchise championships. My favorites include the Denver Broncos and New York Giants, each of which won their last 2 Super Bowls with a franchise QB that did not rightfully belong to them. (Denver also circumvented the salary cap and the Giants could be impugned for all that injury faking in their last SB win. The injury complaint seems ticky-tack, I know, but I bring it up because it’s on the same level as deflating footballs.

  61. tonyzendejas says:

    Someone else put it perfectly in one of the 26,568 deflategate threads: this is like insisting that someone is a murderer without a killing having taken place.

    The science proves the balls weren’t deflated.

    Come September, I will be on my couch, rooting for Tom and the Pats, laughing at you all.
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    The pool of delusion Deflatriots fans keep wading deeper into is amusing. It’s like watching MSNBC.

    The science is conclusive: The balls had to be intentionally deflated because after re-inflation, they lost no air in the 2nd half. So much for the “Ideal Gas Law.”

    You don’t think Brady had an advantage? Look at his fumble stats and basically every other personal stat before and after the 2007 deflation demarcation line. Numbers don’t lie.

    Come September, you will not be rooting for the Brady. He’ll be at home with an NFL logo apparel ankle bracelet on his leg.

  62. So if Brady is kept out due to this, will Luck be held out also if he has a Hall of Fame type career?

  63. So you’re saying off the field scandals and behavior doesn’t matter?

    So Darren Sharper should be getting a call any day now then?

    Now that would be interesting!! Will he get out of Jail to do his speech and get his Jacket?? Maybe the Warden can be his sponsor. So, so Sad.

  64. furious76 says:
    Jun 29, 2015 12:12 PM

    Neither of them should be allowed anywhere near enshrinement. The price of cheating and/or attempting to cheat should be severe. These are not off field issues, these are attempts to gain unfair advantage.

    ================================
    So does this mean you advocate that Elway, Montana, Rice, and Bradshaw come out of the hall? Or are you just a hypocrite?

    You can’t clear Montana because Rice admitted using stickum and there is no way Montana was unaware of that going on. In fact it sure looks like he threw Jerry’s way a record setting number of times.

  65. While I don’t like Brady and don’t completely exonerate him in the Deflategate issue/non-issue, he is great. That is unquestioned IMO.

    GOAT? Just stop. You can’t compare different eras, with different rules, lesser teams and diluted talent, different numbers of games, different payoff formats, etc.

    He is a Great of All Time. Not the greatest. But I think there is little argument that he is the greatest during the era he has played in. That is really saying something considering he played at the same time as Manning (and considering I think he is a girly baby). And yes, while Manning is criticized for not winning in the big spot, he has been a force to deal with Brady’s whole career. Brady has pretty much had his way with everyone throughout the period, especially Manning.

    So if you are “the best” in the game during the years you played, not only are you a HOFr, you are clear cut first ballot.

    I HATE to admit, but I agree with this article.

  66. rjc0327 says:
    Jun 29, 2015 1:08 PM
    So you’re saying off the field scandals and behavior doesn’t matter?

    So Darren Sharper should be getting a call any day now then?

    Now that would be interesting!! Will he get out of Jail to do his speech and get his Jacket?? Maybe the Warden can be his sponsor. So, so Sad

    ________________________

    Even if Darren Sharper was not a rapist he still would not be a HOFer.

  67. abninf says:
    Jun 29, 2015 12:48 PM

    They reached out to only 8 voters? Were they all from the NE area or what? That’s kind of an important thing.

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    That’s twice as many Colts footballs that were measured.

  68. Sure he’s still a hall of fame caliber QB, it’s just that he’s likely going to have an asterisk or two next to his name.

  69. they can always create a special room inside the building, called the “Hall of Shame”

  70. grumpyoleman says:
    Jun 29, 2015 1:07 PM
    So if Brady is kept out due to this, will Luck be held out also if he has a Hall of Fame type career?

    Absolutely. If the Wells report proves that Brady and the Pats equipment boys cheated, then it definitely shows that Luck and his equipment boys cheated.

    And we know that Ed Reed and Ray Lewis will never get in after spending years playing at PEDs Central.

    And, as others have pointed out, we must also now banish Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, Steve Young, Bill Walsh, Chuck Noll, Terry Bradshaw, Franco Harris, Joe Greene, Jack Lambert, Lynn Swann, John Elway, etc., etc., etc., from the HOF due to their cheating years.

    Okay, okay, Lynn Swann should actually be banished because he truly does not deserve to be in the HOF but, really, as for Brady and the others (and maybe Luck one day), we need to give it a rest.

  71. I agree. Voters should “consider only on-field accomplishments.” Brady’s on-field accomplishments were achieved through various forms of cheating, including receiving knowledge of other teams’ signals in advance and ordering footballs to be deflated so the offense would have an unfair advantage. Now, tell us what you think of those “on-field accomplishments,” voters.

  72. Brady should put on his four rings and borrow a hall of fame jacket and show up to the first game (suspension or not) and lip-sync and dance to Taylor Swift for pre-game festivities. Cause the haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate.

  73. revelation123 says: Jun 29, 2015 1:14 PM

    Sure he’s still a hall of fame caliber QB, it’s just that he’s likely going to have an asterisk or two next to his name.


    Denoting him as the undisputed greatest QB of all time. 🙂

  74. lawrencetayloristhebestever says:Jun 29, 2015 1:01 PM

    There are several QBs in the HOF that have not won a legitimate Super Bowl so it’s not like TB will be setting a precedent. Oh, wait. He will. The first QB to have 4 tainted rings.

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    You must be thinking of your own QB, Eli. He (and Elway too) had more of an adverse effect on parity and integrity than any players in league history when they refused to go to the team that the system — tradition — performance — whatever you call it — designated as the rightful owners of their rights.

    This is why I’ll always respect Brady more than Eli. Brady took a joke franchise and turned it into a juggernaut. Eli threw a temper tantrum so he could go to a team with a championship pedigree.

  75. canedaddy says:
    Jun 29, 2015 12:11 PM
    That’s only 8 of the 46 voters. Surely many (or most) of the others will take blatant cheating into account. How would Brady have fared if he followed the rules? We’ll never know. His legacy is forever tarnished by that question, as were Bonds, McGwire, Armstrong, etc.

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    Seriously? you are going to put a pound of air missing from a football on the same level as rampant PED abuse? A little perspective please.

  76. The bigger joke is the farcical aquatic ceremony that is HOF Voting. There are 46 voters. The “Board of Selectors” is such a bogus group of people. The main sports beat reporter from each NFL city and 13 others vote for whoever they want. Theoretically, they vote for the best qualified. But in reality the best qualified for Canton is rarely the person who gets voted in. I’ve seen articles from the PFT crew about the bogus quality of the voting. The whole process is filled with high school quality drama and for that reason alone, I don’t pay any mind to who does or does not have a bust in Canton.

  77. letsgobuffalo4 says:
    Jun 29, 2015 12:17 PM

    #1 what OJ did was off the field and well after his playing days- it had nothing to do with his game play. #2 if any of you actually read this article they are referring to one line is “its his heart and drive that make him a HOF player and not the air in the ball”………thats like talking about Barry Bond or A-Rod and saying “its their heart and drive that make them HOF players and not the PED’s in their system”. Can any of you patriots fans say its any different? Lance has some of the most heart of any athlete ever- that doesn’t negate his cheating.
    ___

    So, what kind of “heart” made OJ a murderer? If you guys can tag Brady as “once a cheater always a cheater” how is it any different for OJ? Did he just become a killer overnight, or was it always there? In his heart.

  78. whywerule says:
    Jun 29, 2015 1:22 PM
    And we know that Ed Reed and Ray Lewis will never get in after spending years playing at PEDs Central.
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    Huh? Neither of those guys had any hint of PED use (unless you’re talking about the absurd and disproved deer antler spray nonsense).

    As for “PEDs Central” are you talking about the ’70s Steelers?

  79. widerightyouloseagain says:Jun 29, 2015 12:09 PM

    If a double murderer like OJ Simpson is still in the hall, than Brady should be too.
    __________________________________
    First of all, he was in the Hall before he committed the murders….big difference and I’m no fan of OJ. Stick to hockey, another bad draft for the Laughs.

  80. The NFL is becoming a joke. just the fact that this NE team is allowed to keep the SB wins says volumes.
    Cheating is cheating period.
    This team has constantly shown it can not win any other way and the NFL is fine with it.
    If I was a head coach seeing this I would do the same because if I win the SB there will be no repercussions what so ever.

  81. @restoreintegritytonfl

    I need to change my name to ‘restore integrity of american football fans’

    Whenever I see someone bringing up the Sharp article suggesting that the Patriots fumble rate backs up the accusation that the footballs were deflated, I know I am reading a comment from someone who is one of two things or both….

    #1 decided Brady was guilty 30 seconds after he was accused and is desperately trying to find anything that helps him prove it, whether it’s true or not. Whether it makes sense or not.

    #2 someone who doesn’t understand statistics, or science and simply accepts whatever conclusion fits what he wants it to say, even when he doesn’t understand it at all.

  82. LOL yeah ok… I don’t believe that for a second. Why shouldn’t off-field issues play a part? I know Safety is a difficult position to get HoF credibility, but I would think Darren Sharper would eventually get in based on his on-field work. No way a serial rapist gets enshrined though. C’mon! As for Brady, there’s no doubt he gets in, but you’re fooling yourself if you think this won’t effect votes. The reality is the cheating seems to be minuscule, and the case against him lacks evidence, so it won’t amount to much of a HoF hindrance.

  83. Brady will play another 10 years and win a few more Super Bowls. I’m sure jealous people will think he is on performance inhancing drugs and will be investigated for it after he pisses on the colts or the jets for the 700th time.

  84. lizzzy321 says:
    Jun 29, 2015 1:34 PM
    @restoreintegritytonfl

    I need to change my name to ‘restore integrity of american football fans’

    Whenever I see someone bringing up the Sharp article suggesting that the Patriots fumble rate backs up the accusation that the footballs were deflated, I know I am reading a comment from someone who is one of two things or both….

    #1 decided Brady was guilty 30 seconds after he was accused and is desperately trying to find anything that helps him prove it, whether it’s true or not. Whether it makes sense or not.

    #2 someone who doesn’t understand statistics, or science and simply accepts whatever conclusion fits what he wants it to say, even when he doesn’t understand it at all.

    —-

    So you pretty much just summed up every CRYBABY/Patriot hater.

  85. I believe the author needs to revisit his terms. When you do something to affect the outcome of a game — whether it be deflating footballs to make them easier to throw and hang onto or taking steroids in order to be able to hit the ball farther — that is the definition of an “on-the-field issue.”

  86. I think it’s OBVIOUS that Brady was involved in a pattern of trying to deflate footballs behind the backs of NFL authorities.

    And he followed that by attempting to cover his tracks.

    The texts, the concealment of the electronic evidence, the preventing of interviews, the excuse that the “Deflator” is known by that nickname solely because he is overweight, etc. C’mon. Anyone who is unblinded by homerism can see that.

    Having said that, Brady should be a first ballot HOF’er. Easy. Brady’s competitive spirit and the fact he’s truly the one key cog in a team for the ages. Brady is the one “player constant” in what I consider to be a dynasty. Name ANY one player in NFL history – who was the sole cog in Super Bowl Championships that spanned fourteen seasons. It’s NEVER happened.

    And his competitive fire burns relentlessly. And he has always been a GREAT teammate and person. Always.

    Brady’s career transcends any white lies and jaywalking-caliber transgressions he may have been complicit in.

  87. This is just in case some of Peyton’s transgressions ever come to light. You’re a fool if you think he’s as squeaky clean as the Shield portrays him.

  88. Goodell told the entire world on National TV that he was maintaining Integrity for the NFL & making sure that Unfair Advantage does not happen.

    Yet Goodell did not make a statement confirming the NFL’s own inquiry when, after the NFL inspected the AFCCG footballs at half time to validate Rule 17, Brady & the Patriots went on to scoring 28 points to the Colts 0. Goodell made no statement, with the world watching, about it’s own integrity and that of the game. The world waited for Goodell to say something of major importance – Did the Patriots violate NFL Integrity and If Yes, then why are they attending the SuperBowl as AFC Chaimpions? With no answer from Goodell everyone surmised that the Patriots cheated to get to the SuperBowl. By Goodell not adressing the obvious = Rule 17 NFL Approved Footballs resulted in a 45 -7 Patriot win, Goodell intentionally withholding the validity of the AFCCG, is actively CONSPIRING against the Patriots so that the World Audience are led to believe that the Patriots committed cheated. By cheating they committed theft by intentionally tampering with the footbalss, when that in fact, did not occur.

    In short form – Goodell did not confirm that the NFL acted with Integrity in the actions from Goodell himself and the NFL Office as they were actively involved with the footballs during the AFCCG and SuperBowl XLIX. The NFL watched over these games with the highest scrutiny ever in its entire history. Tom Brady and the Patriots vindicated themselves before National TV & the entire watching World with astounding victories using NFL Approved Rule 17 Footballs.

  89. ReligionIsForIdiots says:
    Jun 29, 2015 12:08 PM

    Lol, this guy and his coach have been cheaters for over a decade now, yet no one seems to care. Taping walkthroughs, tuck rule, tampering with head sets, taping sideline signals, illegal formations, manipulation of the injury report and rules, deflating footballs in order to reduce fumbles, the list goes on and on and ON.

    Absolutely hilarious, this league is a complete joke.
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    Taping walkthroughs–Debunked, never happened

    tuck rule–A proper interpretation of the rules by referees that the Patriots had no hand in whatsoever

    tampering with head sets–hearsay, never proven

    taping sideline signals–This did happen, exactly once after it was deemed illegal by the NFL on the first gameday after it was deemed illegal by the NFL, and they were punished substantially for it

    illegal formations–I assume you mean the Baltimore game, in which nothing illegal occurred

    manipulation of the injury report and rules–Despite hearsay to the contrary, the NFL has never found them guilty of this

    deflating footballs–Debunked, never happened.

    Got anything else?

  90. Keeping the winningest QB in league history out of the Hall for slight variations in ball pressure that haven’t even been proven let alone tied to actual tampering is such a stupid idea that there have to be Jets fans involved somewhere.

  91. “voters are to consider only on-field accomplishments

    Brady’s on the field accomplishments are mired in cheating resulting in an unfair playing field. So, his accomplishments can not be accepted as accurate or a true reflection of his talent when compared to others within his sport.

  92. @seahawkboymike

    ‘The science is conclusive’

    If you have not read the AEI report, than you don’t know what you are talking about. You are right in a way — the science is conclusive, that the balls were NOT intentionally tampered with. And further more there is clear evidence that the Wells investigators manipulated the data to make it appear that Brady was guilty.

    By the way – if you have not heard of the AEI. The AEI is a think tank who are not Patriot fans or even football fans. There job normally is to research and write about politics and where they see government agencies ‘overstepping’ They believed they saw the NFL ‘overstep’ in the Deflategate scandal and decided to review the Wells report and report their findings.

    They are qualified and neutral and paid by no one. Which is something that can’t be said for the Wells report.

    And btw – it’s only eleven pages long if you think you could read it and understand it. Consider the fact that when the NFL issued the Wells report, they had to know that very very few people would read a 273 page report and that they would have to accept their conclusions. Which I assume is what you did.

    You have to keep up with what’s current.

  93. There aren’t any institutions that have a bigger understanding of the harm done to the game by this commissioner and these owners. The HOF voters and administrators are historians and protectors of the game.

    They see how the great men who built this sport are being disrespected. They see how the rules are being manipulated to assist in court cases. They see future HOFers being slandered by the commissioner.

    For the record, no owners involved have been elected to the HOF since the lockout. And Bud Adams was on the short list when he was summarily dismissed in the midst of that abomination. In a way, These owners will always be remembered for that.

    There won’t be any hesitation to enshrine Tom Brady the first chance they get. Goodell, however, will have to settle for just being a bust himself.

  94. finsfansince1966 says:
    Jun 29, 2015 1:31 PM

    This team has constantly shown it can not win any other way and the NFL is fine with it.

    ——————–

    Really? Please explain. How have they cheated?

  95. Speaking of Shula, any update on that lawsuit by his former players for making them take illegal drugs just to stay in the game?

    #ClassAct
    #UndefeatedOrElse

  96. I am not a Brady fan or a Patriot’s fan or apologist at all, but it’s laughable to compare Brady demanding that footballs be deflated to Bonds and McGuire becoming freakishly large and more powerful then they ever were early on in their career with steroids to break long standing performance records. Same goes of Armstrong doing everything he could to continue doping.

    Likewise, I think the Baseball HOF should punish them for what they have done. It DID tarnish the game and give them a major on field advantage over the rest of the clean players in the game. I bet Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron would have liked to unnaturally double their muscle and strength too if they had opportunity.

    The only thing that shouldn’t be held against players when it comes to accomplishments is personality and off field issues. I doubt that Peterson WON’T get in. It will be up to the HOF voters to decide if people that were chronic jerks like Randy Moss and Terrell Owens deserve it despite their behavior. Had either of them been decent people and good teammates their careers would have been much better and they would have been shoe-ins.

  97. @ lizzzy321 says:

    By the way – if you have not heard of the AEI. The AEI is a think tank who are not Patriot fans or even football fans. There job normally is to research and write about politics and where they see government agencies ‘overstepping’ They believed they saw the NFL ‘overstep’ in the Deflategate scandal and decided to review the Wells report and report their findings.
    ————————–

    First off, if you are trying to sound informed, use the appropriate “their” not “there.”

    I will openly admit that I have not read AEI report. But if “their” purpose is as you have said “There job normally is to research and write about politics and where they see government agencies ‘overstepping’ They believed they saw the NFL ‘overstep’ in the Deflategate scandal and decided to review the Wells report and report their findings.”…by saying that, and if that is true, they had a “predisposed” outcome they were trying to achieve. They were “predisposed” to think the NFL and Gooddell had over stepped. I ask you, does that sound like an impartial or neutral way to review the facts and science to you? Not to me!

    Also, were Tom Brady’s phone and text records made available to AEI. Because factual testimony in the Wells report from others text records with Tom Brady indicate that was a medium of exchange that different people who handled balls used. Tom Brady was in a few of those texts. So to complete an investigation Mr. Brady was asked to provide his records (with an almost unheard of level of latitude to produce). as we know he refused.

    “They are qualified and neutral and paid by no one.” Yet they were trying to to expose an over stepping they felt had occurred. Again using your words, they sounds pretty bent on finding something wrong before entering “their” investigation.

    Sorry, maybe you are not qualified to speak on this also, if you have spoken incorrectly on what AEI does and “their” role.

  98. Sure, put him in the Hall. Just put an asterisk next to him. Just like there will be asterisks next to New England in the list of SB winners.

  99. Sure, put him in the Hall. Just put an asterisk next to him. Just like there will be asterisks next to New England in the list of SB winners.

  100. The 2013 season, though the Patriots eventually lost, adds to Brady’s winner reputation. No QB can carry his team that far with players he had. Nobody. Even if he is denied to be put in the HOF, his truth will live on.

  101. He deserves to be in the Hall…but his failure to man up with regard to McNally and Jastremski will forever be tied to his reputation. Until this issue surfaced he was clean and had he simply apologized for what he had conspired to do my opinion of him would have remained as high as ever…too bad.

  102. Anyone who wouldn’t vote for this guy is blindly biased against him or the team. I won’t even say they’re dumb because dumb people are smarter than that.

  103. Stunning how people compare the GOAT to rapists, roid users, serial betters on games they were in, and a whole host of ridiculous offenses.

    Even if he did what you are accusing him of (which he didn’t) that raises to the same treatment as a rapist? You people are just bonkers.

  104. Brady will make it. But I’m trying to think of anyone else from his teams that will make it, other than their short-term rental of Randy Moss. Pretty pathetic for a “dynasty”. By comparison, the 70’s Steelers put 9 guys in the HOF, and the 80’s-90’s San Francisco teams put in 8 plus a few rental players.

  105. OJ Simpson is in, Jim Brown is in, Lawrence Taylor is in, Michael Irvin is in. And you are gonna keep a cheater out ? C’mon man !

  106. What about Elway? Why is he in the Hall of Fame? Guy accepted payments under the table so they could help out the rest of the roster.

  107. Hey all I’m saying is noted cheaters like Stickum Rice and the 49ers, Bradshaw and the roid using 70s Steelers, and Salary Cap Elway and the Broncos all got in without any issues, just to name a few. Where is the crusade against them?

  108. Brady is the hall of fame.
    Where he walks the HOF walks with him.

    The only question is when other, lesser, players will be allowed to share in the glow of his ineffable light.

  109. A lot of people keep coming up with “Brady the greatest QB ever.” Hold on a minute. What about Dan Marino, Brett Favre, Johnny Unitas., Otto Graham, Fran Tarkenton, Steve Young, Peyton Manning, John Elway, Joe Montana, Bart Starr, Joe Namath, Drew Brees, Troy Aikman, Jim Kelly, Roger Stauback, Terry Bradshaw and others. Just to throw out that Brady is the best ever in disingenuous. You’re throwing a lot of QB’s under the bus. I suspect many of these posters are way too you to remember many of the above and only read about them. I saw them all. Just how in the hell do you put them on a list with the top name being the “greatest ever?

  110. this gives Haters one more thing to hate about.

    See above for examples

  111. Tom Brady should not get first ballot. I find it impossible that the voters will not struggle when comparing his actual stats against the other greats. And you can’t ignore spygate either. He wasn’t involved but her certainly benefited from it.

  112. Oh he benefited from spygate!?? Lmao why is his winning percentage better now?the proof is that he benefited more post spygate

  113. iamkillerfin says:
    Jun 29, 2015 12:51 PM

    The @$$ hasn’t even retired yet!!! But when he does the patsies will suck again like the 70’s, 80’s, & early 90’s!!!
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    The Patriots of the mid-late 70s were a dominant team, and missed a Super Bowl only because of a phantom interference call

    The Patriots of the 80’s went to a Super Bowl, losing only to that vaunted Bears defense.

    The Patriots did in fact suck for a couple of years in the late 80s-early 90s. Show me a team that NEVER sucked??? But then Bob Kraft fixed that by bringing in Bill Parcells and Drew Bledsoe, who took the team to another Super Bowl.

    The Patriots have had sporadic streaks of bad teams, but they have also had great teams in every decade you mentioned.

    Get educated about a team’s history before you shoot off your mouth, son.

  114. “Brady will make it. But I’m trying to think of anyone else from his teams that will make it, other than their short-term rental of Randy Moss. Pretty pathetic for a “dynasty”. By comparison, the 70’s Steelers put 9 guys in the HOF, and the 80’s-90’s San Francisco teams put in 8 plus a few rental players.”

    Inadvertently, you just proved why Brady is the greatest quarterback of all time AND why Belichick is the greatest coach of all time.

    4 rings and counting over 14 seasons from, at best, a single HOF player.

  115. PFT seems to be on a campaign of making excuses for Goodell and his role in deflategate – framegate and in pretending the impact on Brady and damages to him are less than what people might think. I call bs.

    The NFL publicly attacked Brady in an ugly smear campaign. Despite having no evidence it leaked to the media stories of Brady’s guilt and that Brady was a liar. In truth, the NFL was lying and creating evidence to cover its own missteps. They have dragged out the smear campaign for almost 6 months while they have tried to force Brady to cop a plea.

    PFT, please stop with the excuses for the NFL and start calling it out. Tell the NFL to end this charade and exonerate Brady.

  116. HOF in Baseball means WAY more.

    Football is the ultimate team sport. Most of you mouthbreathers wouldn’t even know who Jerry Rice was except the team that drafted him ran Montana/Young and the best part of Garcia out there his first 12+ years.

    In baseball a player has to have 5 skills and he bats ALONE. He pitches ALONE.

    HOF MLB much more telling than NFL. It’s in the nature of the game.

  117. I for one can’t wait until the NFL season starts, so all you toads with all your cheater regurgitation can craw back into that place that you hide when the Patriots win. As they have done for the last fourteen seasons.

  118. lizzzy321 says:
    Jun 29, 2015 1:28 PM

    @ hivelocityimpactsplatter

    Tom Brady has never been accused of steroid use
    ===============

    Neither did I, it was a simple statement that steroids are an on the field issue, it has nothing to do with Tom Brady which was my point in criticizing the content. They never should’ve been in the same article. Quit being so sensitive or learn reading comprehension….. Or both.

  119. tonyzendejas says:
    Jun 29, 2015 4:48 PM
    “Brady will make it. But I’m trying to think of anyone else from his teams that will make it, other than their short-term rental of Randy Moss. Pretty pathetic for a “dynasty”. By comparison, the 70’s Steelers put 9 guys in the HOF, and the 80’s-90’s San Francisco teams put in 8 plus a few rental players.”

    Inadvertently, you just proved why Brady is the greatest quarterback of all time AND why Belichick is the greatest coach of all time.

    ==============

    Maybe. Or I just proved that cheating works. One or the other.

  120. Haters! You were out coached and outplayed! End of Story! Greatest Coach and QB of all time! Next year one for the Thumb! Tommy goes home to win his 5th! Keep spewing your jealousy if it makes you feel better! You and your teams have “a loser’s mentality” I’ll enjoy seeing our 5 trophies at 1 Patriot Place Foxboro MA.

  121. For those talking about flawed science…since when did reading text messages become a science experiment? I don’t know how strong the reading skills are coming out of school in NE, but I can say Iowa taught me everything I needed to know by 8th grade to tell that JJ & JM were clearly describing Brady’s complicit cheating. Silly Pats fans…leave the thinking to those of us with a macro-perspective of reality. If you don’t understand what that means, you dont belong in the group.

  122. ort comment

    @ smokehouse56 says:Jun 29, 2015 4:27 PM

    A lot of people keep coming up with “Brady the greatest QB ever.” Hold on a minute. What about Dan Marino, Brett Favre, Johnny Unitas., Otto Graham, Fran Tarkenton, Steve Young, Peyton Manning, John Elway, Joe Montana, Bart Starr, Joe Namath, Drew Brees, Troy Aikman, Jim Kelly, Roger Stauback, Terry Bradshaw and others. Just to throw out that Brady is the best ever in disingenuous. You’re throwing a lot of QB’s under the bus. I suspect many of these posters are way too you to remember many of the above and only read about them. I saw them all. Just how in the hell do you put them on a list with the top name being the “greatest ever?
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    Roethlisberger is better than the cheater also….

  123. “dumbaseinstien says:
    Jun 29, 2015 8:07 PM
    For those talking about flawed science…since when did reading text messages become a science experiment? I don’t know how strong the reading skills are coming out of school in NE, but I can say Iowa taught me everything I needed to know by 8th grade to tell that JJ & JM were clearly describing Brady’s complicit cheating. Silly Pats fans…leave the thinking to those of us with a macro-perspective of reality. If you don’t understand what that means, you dont belong in the group.”

    When were they describing complicit cheating again? When they referenced the 16 psi balls? Or was it when JJ said to McNally that the balls should have been 13 psi, completely legal?

    Why do the text messages show guilt when the actual evidence (the balls) show nothing happened? What was McNally doing in the bathroom if the balls weren’t deflated? Was he just peeing? Maybe?

  124. @dumbaseinstein

    For those talking about flawed science…since when did reading text messages become a science experiment? I don’t know how strong the reading skills are coming out of school in NE, but I can say Iowa taught me everything I needed to know by 8th grade to tell that JJ & JM were clearly describing Brady’s complicit cheating. Silly Pats fans…leave the thinking to those of us with a macro-perspective of reality. If you don’t understand what that means, you dont belong in the group.

    ———————-

    Which texts say he told them to tamper or deflate below the minimum? Really, which texts? The only text that mentions psi is the one from the Jets game when the psi was 16. Where was the tampering then? You can’t pick which to believe. If you believe the others, then you have to believe that one, too. The truth is, there are no texts that say that. And whatever brady may have texted or emailed JJ, it would have been on JJ’s phone, which they had full access to. The refusal to give up the phone is a union decision, and a pissing contest between the union and the NFL. Same as other cases, i.e. Favre.

  125. Oh, and another text from Jastremski says “Tom likes them at 12.5”, according to the Wells report. Not below 12.5.

  126. Good, it shouldn’t he’s a first ballot hof. However the hall voters have a poor track record with regard to holding things against other players.

    I don’t blame them for holding out on guys like Marvin Harrison, due to the position he put himself in & how suspicious he looks regarding his involment in that unsolved murder investigation. People like Darren Sharper should obviously never get in. Great player, but criminal scum now.

    O.J. was different as he committed his crimes years after his induction.

    Both Brett Favre & Terrell Owens are up for induction this year for 2016 & we all know they’ll overlook Favre’s addiction problems & embarrassing harassment/sexting scandal, but will more than likely punish T.O for his perceived team destroyer personality. In my opinion they should both go in first ballot together…. Favre a top 2-3 dominant QB of the 90’s & T.O top 2-3 dominant WR of the 2000’s.

    Both have personality issues & created drama, but both left everything out on the field & played the game the way it was meant to be played. Both were stat monsters, both were the epitome of tough & durable, able to perform in advanced age. Both made the game more enjoyable due to their larger than life personas.

    However, I fear only one will get in & it’ll be Favre & that’s a double standard in my eyes. They should go in together to make it an amazing 2016 hof class.

    Like I said earlier Marvin Harrison should be in as well, but I don’t blame the voters for holding him out, most people can go through life without being the prime suspect in a murder investigation. People are getting sick & tired of NFL players getting their names attached to crimes of a serious nature! ( Muder & Rape) to be precise.

  127. Are you joking… wait a year? No chance of that. That comment comes in the heart of the deflate gate controversy. After a few more years of playing plus 5 years of waiting Deflategate will be long forgotten and Brady will go in right away. If he doesn’t it will be a huge shock.

  128. I’ve tried several times to respond to the narrow minded statement that I like the Pats “because they win”, but for some reason the intellectuals that moderate this site keep deleting my response. I’ve been a Patriot fan since Jim Plunkett was the starting QB. Anyone who knows the history of the team is aware that they haven’t always been at the top of the league when it comes to winning.

  129. The most likely scenario even if Brady was knowledgeable about what ever the two numbskulls were doing was that the officials just blow the balls up to what ever level they feel like and don’t even check them with a gauge then when the ball boys get them they feel them and if they are way over inflated they let some air out. they wouldn’t have time to gauge check them again, but I am sure Brady would just want them at 12.5 like he said. The balls were right around there in the colts game, so it wasn’t like all of them were suspiciously at the same low PSI or something. If anything Brady was condoning breaking the rules to get the balls how he likes them, at 12.5. Still wrong, but not exactly game changing.

    If that is really what happened, Brady should have just owned up to it from the start and taken a fine. He should have said the balls sometimes come back at 16 which is ridiculous and the officials suck at managing the ball pressure.

    It would be long over now.

    It looks like Brady really didn’t know about it or he is just stuck in the cover up that he started at the beginning and he’s unwilling to change direction.

  130. bulcharger…

    You are joking right.

    You actually think the numbskulls tampered with the balls of their own accord?

    You actually think that Brady or the ball boys would fool around with ball pressure for the AFC championship game as the first time, that it wasn’t a process that they perfected?

    You are just like the pathetic Bills fans defending OJ.

  131. swagger52 says:


    You actually think the numbskulls tampered with the balls of their own accord?

    You actually think that Brady or the ball boys would fool around with ball pressure for the AFC championship game as the first time, that it wasn’t a process that they perfected?

    ——————————————–
    Unfortunately for you, “gut feelings” and “you really think” arguments are worthless.
    Trot out the facts, if you have any, to support your argument.

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