Troy Vincent criticizes union spending on legal fees

AP

Plenty of people have criticized the NFL Players Association for the amount of money it spends on outside legal fees. The last group that should be criticizing the NFLPA for the money it spends on outside legal fees is the group that has compelled those expenditures by repeatedly overstepping its bounds. And the last guy from the last group that should be criticizing the NFLPA for those expenditures is a former NFLPA president who once was in line to be the executive director.

But none of that has stopped NFL executive V.P. of football operations Troy Vincent from taking aim publicly at the NFLPA’s bills for outside lawyers.

“Look at the amount of money being spent on legal fees for a handful of people,” Vincent told Ashley Fox of ESPN.com. “It’s millions and millions of dollars, and we’ve got players that are hurting. We’ve got young men who don’t know how to identify a good financial adviser. Men are in transition who aren’t doing well, and yet $8-10 million a year is spent in court fees about who should make a decision on someone, who in some cases has committed a crime.

“Think about that logically. Wouldn’t it be better to spend our time and resources on the issues that are vital to our players — past, present and future — such as the players’ total wellness and growing the game together?”

But the NFL is forcing the NFLPA to spend that money, because the NFL routinely has gone too far in disciplining players — as evidenced by the ultimate outcomes in the Saints bounty scandal (where all player suspensions were overturned by former Commissioner Paul Tagliabue), the Ray Rice indefinite suspension (which was overturned by a former federal judge), and the Adrian Peterson suspension (which was vacated by a federal court).

For every dollar spent by the NFLPA on lawyers, at least that same dollar (if not more) is being spent by the NFL. So couldn’t the same criticism be directed at the league for forcing litigation by not properly interpreting and applying the rules that govern the relationship between labor and management fairly and properly?

It would be different if the NFLPA were tilting at windmills. Instead, the NFLPA is hitting the bull’s-eye, far more often than not. And that’s because the NFL: (1) insists on having final say over the internal appeals process under the Personal Conduct Policy and matters regarding the integrity of the game; and (2) repeatedly exercises that power in a way that requires the union to seek relief in court.

Here’s an idea for saving money: Adopt a clean and simple internal appeals process that entails final and binding arbitration before a neutral third party in every case of player discipline. Sure, the NFL would have to sacrifice the ability to do whatever it wants to do. But the NFL has demonstrated consistently that it’s not able to do whatever it wants to do in a way that meshes with that it is legally permitted to so.

By curtailing powers that the NFL has shown an inability to responsible exercise, both sides would save millions in legal fees that could then be used, as Vincent said, “on the issues that are vital to our players — past, present and future — such as the players’ total wellness and growing the game together.”

143 responses to “Troy Vincent criticizes union spending on legal fees

  1. Actually it’s none of his business…

    If he wants to run the union, I suggest he run for office in the NFLPA…

  2. Or maybe the NFLPA should bargain harder for arbitration rights.

    Those CBAs don’t sign themselves. The majority of players screw themselves over by voting for superstars who are only out for themselves.

    The NFLPA would be immensely more effective if the top earners were banned from leadership postions

  3. The NFLPA is “wasting” money on lawsuits because biased decisions that display constant abuse of authority tend to be overturned in court.

  4. It’s all coming crashing down for this NFL FO. They all see it, realize it and are lashing out at anything to deflect away from their ineptitude.

    Ah, the fall of these guys will be an absolutely delicious thing to watch.

    Got your popcorn ready?

  5. It is time to clean house on Park Avenue and get rid of these overpaid, underqualified insiders who are incapable of performing the most basic functions of their positions. The legal fees incured by the present administration is all the proof needed. This man who sits in judgment of the present situation in the Brady case had no right per the existing NFLPA contract to do so. There is not control of the most basic functions under Goodell.

  6. What a hard hitting interview. Can someone, anyone call this guy out for blatantly lying about being tipped off by the Colts before the AFC title game?

    And ask him if he didn’t read the Wells report just like he didn’t read the Mueller report?

  7. The guys in the NFL office are evil bureaucrats that remind me of the authoritarian dictatorships of the former Eastern European countries that aligned with the Soviet Unions.

  8. I think Vincent is trying to say that EXPENSIVE representation ended up in reversals in many situations, but in his world, he would rather do it with CHEAP representation. The thing is, going cheap probably would not have had the same results.

    The only thing I know is that OJ Simpson found and paid for the most expensive representation he could find, and look how that turned out.

  9. Vincent, Goodell, and co. are afraid of what’s going to happen when Brady sues the NFL after they uphold his suspension and are thus desperately trotting out lame arguments to try to avoid this reality.

  10. Every time someone in the corrupt offices of the NFL speaks they dig a deeper hole… THEY are the ones that created this fiasco…they are the ones that continue to drag it out.. a federal RICO investigation has to commence on Goodell and every owner except kraft.

  11. Troy, please tell us who leaked to Kravitz and to Mortensen, what did they say, and who in authority at the NFL authorized the leaks?

  12. That’s like the driver of a car who runs you over saying, “don’t sue me. Let’s work together to make driving better for everyone.”

    Wrong. In gonna sue you over and over again until you learn to stay in your lane and everyone I save will benefit.

  13. There are only so many times that the leadership in the league office can face-plant like this before the owners make some changes. Think of Vincent’s hypocritical comments as just another mile-marker on the road to new leadership in the NFL.

  14. .
    Are Goodell, Wells, Vincent, Kensil, Pash, Gardi, and Blandino the best people in the US that the NFL owners could assemble to run their league ???

    There’s where the problem lies . Lazy, greedy league ownership, too concerned with their own net worth to realize that they’ve ceded all their authority to run their billion dollar enterprise to a team of abject buffoons.
    .

  15. So let’s review here…

    Troy Vincent was in the locker room supervising the measurements of what was to become DeflateGate. Troy Vincent was the one that handed down the punishment (investigator and executioner).

    Troy Vincent was the one in the locker room screaming “Ahh HAAAA, we got them!” at halftime.

    Ok Troy, I can see why you would want the NFLPA to spend less right now. But it is too late friend. They are going to cost you your job. Goodell is going to skate, and you are going to take the blame. Enjoy the show. You shouldn’t have been so eager to help frame the Pats. And you DEFINITELY should have had the science that was going on explained to you. There were plenty of chances to put this one to bed. You blew it.

  16. If it cost many millions to lift Ray Rice’s suspension, which was moot because no one will give him a job; Adrian Peterson’s suspension, during which he got paid millions of dollars, and the the “Bounty” incident, in which other members were, after all, the targets, I would have to say that Vincent is correct. Rice and Peterson should have paid for their own representation. As is usually the case in high profile litigation, there are no winners but the lawyers. Sometimes it is just not worth it.

  17. You think money is being wasted and spent now? Wait til Brady hauls you all to court and busts this mess wide open…You know you got them on the ropes when they can’t shut up

  18. Actually he is right. Even when the courts struck down the Peterson “non-suspension” the NFL thumbed their nose and ignored the court. Instead of trying to get the NFL to do the right thing, they should see if they can get Goodell on income tax evasion like they did Capone. Pour all your money into that.

  19. The commissioners office and his useless minions never waste money do they? Mr. Vincent how about that $5 mil and counting on something as foolish as deflategate. Seems like you let that get away from you and seems more probable than not that the whole Well’s report is crap.

  20. If Goodell wasn’t a corrupt authoritarian sociopath the NFLPA wouldn’t have to spend the money.

  21. Shady Brady needs to waste millions of dollars to not turn over his phone again and have his lawyers conjure up more phony science projects, yeah that’s totally worth it.

    You’re a cheater, you were caught, take your medicine you petulant child.

  22. “Gooddell will not survive deflategate sham beyond 2016”

    Unfortunately, he will. He still has about 28-32 people left in the entire country who think he is competent and doing a good job. And unfortunately they are the only ones who really matter when it comes to his job security.

  23. I’ve got an idea. How about the NFL doesn’t suspend players (costing the individuals millions of dollars) with no opportunity for an independent arbitrator to hear the case (instead of giving all power and authority to the same guy that made the decision in the first place). Vincent’s criticism’s of the NFLPA are misleading, disingenuous, and downright treacherous as a former player. They all pay fees to be members of the NFLPA so that if they are falsely suspended they have someone to fight for them against an often corrupt, biased NFL. To say that the NFLPA shouldn’t fight for its members is to say that the NFLPA should not exist at all.

  24. What you’re paying for is due process, because the NFL sure didn’t provide it, acting like judge, prosecutor, and executioner.

    Vincent is scared that the whole scheme will unravel when due process is applied.

    Next time maybe you don’t spend 5 million on a Report that won’t stand the test of science and won’t hold up in a court of law

  25. I’ve got a little advice Troy: stop covering NFL execs butts, stop trying to be tough guys under the premise of “integrity”……just be FAIR and a lot of your problems will go away.

  26. rob1729 says:
    Jun 30, 2015 11:14 AM

    “Gooddell will not survive deflategate sham beyond 2016″

    Unfortunately, he will. He still has about 28-32 people left in the entire country who think he is competent and doing a good job. And unfortunately they are the only ones who really matter when it comes to his job security.

    ———

    he may not be “doing a good job” in the public’s eyes, but he’s “doing a good job” based on the job THEY want him to do.

  27. Here’s an idea for saving money: Adopt a clean and simple internal appeals process that entail final and binding arbitration before a neutral third party in every case of player discipline. Sure, the NFL would have to sacrifice the ability to do whatever it wants to do. But the NFL has demonstrated consistently that it’s not able to do whatever it wants to do in a way that meshes with that it is legally permitted to so.

    ————————————————————

    But you see that is common sense, Mike. No way the NFL adopts this policy.

  28. Just shut up.
    I’m still trying to figure out why the Patriots had draft plan cks taken away by this guy.
    Do all teams have draft picks taken away when their guys get caught with steroids?
    Patriots weren’t even caught doing anything.
    As for money, your people spent 5 million to ensure the verdict you wanted. What a joke.

  29. After Troy Vincent got caught on tape straight up lying to Adrian Peterson concerning his suspension why would anyone in the NFL PA even listen to a word he says?

    He tries to wrap himself in such sanctimonious concern about players when he himself has been the lap dog for a bungling front office headed by one of the least qualified commissioner I’ve ever witnessed. It has been manufactured scandal after scandal with this guy.

  30. Make the loser pay all court and attorney fees for both sides, that will slow everything down.

  31. If the NFL got things right the first time, there would be no legal fees charge defending the mistakes they made in the first place. The fact that the NFL hasn’t won a case in court shows you something. Hey Troy, most of that money was spent on the concussion case, since you’re so worried about “guys that need help”… loser

  32. That is unbelievable. Wells’ report cost millions in legal fees. The league could have taken the evidence from game day, disciplined the team and nothing would be different except for outbound money to third party attorneys.

  33. Troy Vincent should be a plaintiff in the concussion suit. Clearly he’s had some brain injury, or why would he say something so stupid.

    Pandering to the injured and older players is just so low class and so obvious. “Wah, don’t let Tom Brady sue us so we can raise the pension for surviving 60 year old ex-players can go from $1000 per month to $1020!”

    Maybe Troy is mad that Goodell is going to vacate Tom’s suspension? I don’t know, but man, these guys are clearly low Wonderlic score champs.

    We all know a fish stinks from the head down, so my guess is that Goodell is really as stupid as we think, and they just get dumber as you go down the ladder. Kensil must have an IQ of 55!

  34. mattwalshvideo says:
    Jun 30, 2015 11:13 AM
    Shady Brady needs to waste millions of dollars to not turn over his phone again and have his lawyers conjure up more phony science projects, yeah that’s totally worth it.

    You’re a cheater, you were caught, take your medicine you petulant child.

    You do see the irony in you calling someone a “petulant child” when you constantly post lame comments on every Patriot article?

  35. Problem is Goodell is a Patriots fan and knows about them bending the rules or in other words cheating. But when other teams catch them cheating Goodell is forced to play dumb and hire someone outside the league.

  36. Did Vincent never benefit from being a member of the union?

    And, sheesh, the reason the CBA sucks has nothing to with with the high paid players–they can afford to sit out. It’s the rank and file guys with an average career of three years who won’t strike for a better deal. And I can’t blame them.

    People are so quick to pile on the superstars. (Sound familiar?) If the ability to think independently and analytically was a pre-requisite to posting on this site, postings would fall by 80%.

  37. What an asinine comment for an NFL official to make. It is not your business to comment on how the NFLPA spends their resources. And, by the way, you and Goodell are forcing them to spend money defending their players from excessive penalties that you have imposed.

    I hope the NFLPA can use his comments to recoup some of their costs, that might keep Vincent and Goodell in line….

  38. Goodell is kind of out of control. He can’t seem to do anything without spending money on lawyers. Don’t forget it took Kraft to come in and help get the lawyers out to get the last CBA done. Tagliabue was able to operate without all the drama and Rozelle certainly had some legal issues, but they were a big deal. Not deflated footballs and player disciplinary hearings.

    Maybe it’s good for league revenues to have so much offseason drama, but it doesn’t seem to be purposeful.

  39. dcapettini says:
    Jun 30, 2015 10:59 AM
    If it cost many millions to lift Ray Rice’s suspension, which was moot because no one will give him a job; Adrian Peterson’s suspension, during which he got paid millions of dollars, and the the “Bounty” incident, in which other members were, after all, the targets, I would have to say that Vincent is correct. Rice and Peterson should have paid for their own representation. As is usually the case in high profile litigation, there are no winners but the lawyers. Sometimes it is just not worth it.

    _______________________

    You don’t seem to understand how unions work. To even say that Rice should have hired his own lawyer is a joke. The NFL broke THEIR OWN RULES when they punished him twice, the second time merely due to public backlash.

    That is what Unions do. They defend the good and the bad. Yes, it sucks when you have to defend someone like AP, but that is their job. They are there to stand up for workers rights. Not sure about you, but this entire oh let’s trust bosses to be fair doesn’t exactly have history on its side.

  40. jchipwood says:
    Jun 30, 2015 11:37 AM

    Problem is Goodell is a Patriots fan and knows about them bending the rules or in other words cheating. But when other teams catch them cheating Goodell is forced to play dumb and hire someone outside the league.

    ————

    So he handed the two biggest penalties in league history to the team he gives special treatment to?

    Just imagine if the Patriots were caught piping in crowd noise like the Falcons do you think the fine would have been the same? Now imagine the Vikings were caught deflating balls (as opposed to leaning them on heaters which would have the exact same purpose, to make the ball easier to grip). They likely would have gotten no punishment.

    The Patriots don’t get special treatment from the league.

  41. How sad is it that Troy Vincent, the guy who promoted the deflate-gate mess by leaking lies to Bob Kravitz and Chris Mortensen about the Patriots, is now complaining that the NFLPA does not go quietly in the night every time he, Goodell and Kensil shower NFL teams, NFL players and NFL fans with their individual and combined incompetence?

    The incompetence of this NFL Executive Team is money for this site, and lawyers, but it is terrible for all football fans.

  42. Yeah, because the Well$ Report was a better way “to spend our time and resources”. Deflategate should have ended after 2 or 3 days. It’s been like… 5 months now? A simple “we’ve made a mistake, let’s play football” could end all this nonsense. But Goodell and Vincent know how to spend time and resources right? Wow, I would really like to know how much the Jets and the Colts have paid… Let’s take a look at Goodell’s phone! I mean, it’s not one or two more millions that will change something, right?

  43. people need to go read up on how shady Vincent is: 1) stole confidential financial info of 41 agents when he was NFLPA guy and sent to his business partner, 2) tried to overthrow gene Upshaw as NFLPA head when Upshaw was his biggest supporter, 3) NFLPA board decided he was unqualified to be Union prez because of his lack of formal education and numerous personal business venture failures, 4) he created 7 business between 1998-2004 and all went bankrupt, 5) owed $200,000 to former investor that court forced him to pay back, 6) tried to cover up a sexual assault at a tanning salon in NJ that he owed, 7) former biz partner stole $150k from ex-NFL player, 8) lied on his resume with NFLPA about graduating from college then ahd to go back and get an online degree from Thomas Edison College in order to try and be NFLPA prez

  44. mattwalshvideo says:
    Jun 30, 2015 11:13 AM
    Shady Brady needs to waste millions of dollars to not turn over his phone again and have his lawyers conjure up more phony science projects, yeah that’s totally worth it.

    You’re a cheater, you were caught, take your medicine you petulant child.
    __________________
    Based on what? The NFL’s own evidence proves no deflation.

  45. YES!

    I am a Troy Vincent fan now!

    The NFLPA takes players fees, railroads these players into filing unfounded lawsuits against the NFL/Goodell/etc, that costs tens of thousands that go directly into the NFLPA (and their union buddies) pockets. They use all the cash they collect to go on lavish vacations and cars, etc because it’s “hard work” filing lawsuits on behalf of players who no clue what the lawsuit is about.

    Finally lawyers are getting ripped to shreds! I love it.

  46. Classic, Classic,,,Say whatever you like about Brady,,(Haters)

    The CBA currently in force, says only “THE COMMISIONER” may impose penalties and fines. He MAY NOT DELEGATE (as he did to Vincent) so guess what RG and TV both violated the CBA, and the penalty will not stand in court, regardless of the facts of the case,,,TV did not have that authority either implicitly or factually.

  47. The NFLPA has been winning these lawsuits. Shouldnt they get reimbursed the lawyer fees?

  48. thomasreilly says:
    Jun 30, 2015 11:45 AM

    What an asinine comment for an NFL official to make. It is not your business to comment on how the NFLPA spends their resources. And, by the way, you and Goodell are forcing them to spend money defending their players from excessive penalties that you have imposed.
    _________________________________

    What? This is EXACTLY what the NFLPA does to the NFL !!!!!!
    The NFLPA constantly gripes about not knowing enough about NFL finances as a league and from teams themselves, and they always complain to the media (an NFLPA enabler) that the NFL needs to waste more money on players (who would have to pay more union dues of course).

    Who is getting into whom’s business here?

    The NFLPA has forced the NFL to spend tens of millions to defend itself against frivolous lawsuits from the players. If I were Goodell, I would include a waiver in every NFL contract where a player is informed about the risks of playing in the NFL, and he waives any and all rights to sure the NFL, NFL teams, or equipment suppliers.

    Screw the players and their socialist union.

  49. I don’t think that winning battles is wasted money. That’s the point of the union, to stand up and fight for players.

  50. go research Troy Vincent’s NFLPA career and personal business ventures and you would see what a borderline criminal this guy is and conman.

  51. Acts of criminal brutality on women and children should not be defended by the PA. If they said, “you’re on your own if you do this…” there would be less of it and less money spent defending the indefensible.

    There is a point along the way where the media and the PA become so wrapped around indefensible “rights” that they forget that it is a privilege to play in our league and that victims have rights as well. There is better use for such money that currently is applied in a way that seems to reinforce unspeakable behavior.

  52. Troy Troy Troy oh how you look like a complete idiot. Why is there no internal or outside investigation of the NFL offices they are so crooked and biased it’s the most obvious corrupt sports organization around. Pete Rossell must be turning in his grave watching Goodell drive the Titanic right into an iceberg just because someone told him its unsinkable

  53. It’s amazing how the media and their pals in the NFLPA identify ONE bad apple in NFL management and somehow ALL people in NFL management and made out to be downright evil.

    BUT, when a player beats a woman, beats a child, knowingly takes illegal drugs, drives drunk, or is basically a menace to civil society, then the same standard is NOT applied by the same media and the same union to the players themselves. Apparently the union and their player are allowed to be “good” and have a few bad apples but the NFL isn’t?

    There is a long list of players who are bad people, yet the union defends them.

    There is no one to defend NFL management.

    This means that players can get away with MURDER (see Lewis, Ray), whereas if Goodell farts that leads to a lawsuit from the players.

  54. Of course he is critical. He was embarrassed at the Brady Appeal hearing. His demise is inevitable as Goodell will throw him under the bleachers when he overturns Wells and Vincent and blaming the whole thing on Vincent.

  55. Is an IQ below 50 a requirement to get hired in the League Offices?

    Hey Troy, let me fill you in on how stupid you are. The NFL fought tooth n nail not to compensate those players in your words said “are really hurting” what a frickin moron this guy is.

    Your scumbag boss forces the NFLPA to spend money on legal fees because he doesnt do the right thing and because hes an egomaniac, corrupt jackass, power hungry scumbag.

    If you are so concerned with those hurting players, why are you working for Goodell. He doesnt want to pay them a dime.

  56. footballgodtb12 says: Jun 30, 2015 11:00 AM

    You think money is being wasted and spent now? Wait til Brady hauls you all to court and busts this mess wide open…You know you got them on the ropes when they can’t shut up
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I wish I could like this a million times.

    NFLPA wouldn’t spend as much if the NFL didn’t constantly abuse it’s power and overstep it’s bounds. Brady spends his career defeating NFL teams, now its time to defeat the NFL itself.

  57. This Troy Vincent?

    from wiki:
    On February 26, 2009 the Players Association announced that they were investigating whether during his tenure as president Vincent disclosed confidential personal and financial information about a number of player agents. It is alleged that Vincent emailed this information to his longtime business partner Mark Magnum for the benefit of a financial services firm co-owned by the two men.

  58. It’s amazing how slanted a view of the world some of you have.

    The NFLPA does not pay for lawyers in criminal defense cases, players are on their own in that already.

    It stands up for players when the NFL abuses its power with make-it-up-as-we-go-along discipline.

  59. Troy did go back to school….some online school call Thomas Edison in NJ….and only after he realized he could not overthrow Gene Upshaw as NFLPA without a degree, although he did have on his NFLPA bio for a long time that he graduated from Wisconsin, that was until NFLPA forced him to change it….then when he failed to overthrow Upshaw because the NFLPA board ruled he sorely lacked the education and business IQ to run the union, he then stole confidential information from NFLPA about 41 top player agents and passed them along to his partner with the hopes of starting an agent business….that agent venture failed like almost all of his personal business ventures have going bankrupt….he has been sued & lost twice where he was forced to payback over $200k that he owed people…some how Goodell still hired him into the league office….. and now we have a guy who although being interviewed about the Ray Rice case on 60 Minutes decided he didn’t need to actually read the Mueller report AND admitted he didn’t read it…Now the latest is his role in deflategate….Troy Vincent is as far from intelligent and should be trusted by anyone in any situation…..anyone who defends him clearly does not know Vincent’s history

  60. The reason why the players lose these battles is because they don’t prepare to do battle during cba negotiation. They owners know that if they just hang out for a while, the players will cave and they always do. Why? Because too many players are over leveraged living the “High Life”. they don’t save money the way they should. In the end, they will take what the owners will give them and cry about it later (meaning now).

    Imagine what it would be like if they were prepared and could tell the league to go jump in the lake until they got an offer they liked? Prepared means, saving their money to be able to hunker down during the negotiation period. What would the negotiation be like if it’s OCTOBER and the owners are staring down the barrel of a lost season?

  61. If,Roger could put his ego aside perhaps there would be less litigation.
    Roger talks about the ” shield” yet his actions have caused more harm to the shield . I understand people will say the NFL is a business that has the right to be run as the owners see fit. That is fine but don’t rely on any public money. An independent arbitration would not harm
    Roger’s power in the long run. Make your rules, educate the players as to the expectations and the penalties. Don’t punish players for your mistakes and the sake of public relations and the shield.

  62. Why is anyone surprised by his comments?? He is just an underling of Badell…proving how corrupt this league is!!! NFSmell!!! They are all clueless!! ANd if/when Brady takes them to court, they will be out millions!! And who knows what might lie ahead if the Feds investigate it all!!
    NFSmell!!

  63. Problem:
    Roger GOD-dell

    Solution:
    Find ANY other human on this planet earth that is NOT SELF CENTERED, EGOTISTICAL, GREEDY, MERCENARY, ALL ABOUT ME (GOD-dell) type and willing to be capable of handing down rulings & punishments in a FAIR, SUITABLE, FITTINGLY, DECENTLY, and RESPECTABLE manner.

    Out with the ALL MIGHTY GOD-dell!!

  64. WOW when did it become wrong for a business to do business the way it wants. They are not breaking any laws. They are not running it in the ground, in fact they are making tons of money. Its just like a union to force companies to pay a stupid amount of money then want more. I say way to go Goodell and the NFL, go make some money.

  65. Mr. Vincent that is great hindsight, but why didn’t you bring up any of those points when you were in a position to get things changed????

  66. Top 10… Errrr…. 11 Ruthless Villanous Rulers—
    10: Attila the Hun
    9: Ivan the Terrible
    8: Benito Mussolini
    7: Mao Zedong
    6: Idi Amin
    5: Leopold II of Belgium
    4: Joseph Stalin
    3: Queen Ranavalona I of Madagascar
    2: Vlad Dracula
    1: Adolph Hitler
    & Roger “The Almighty” GOD-dell.

    I didn’t give him a number on purpose, just wanted to group him in with the worst of the worst.

  67. I cannot believe we’ve vested this much authority in any one individual let alone Troy Vincent. Troy Vincent not only played on teams that were rivals of the Patriots, but he’s clearly SUB-mental.

  68. I really admire Troy for thinking about the union and what its priorities should be.

    Here’s a crazy thought Troy, lets open the NFL books and take a look at how many attorneys the league has on staff. Lets determine if that’s money well spent. After that, we can examine how many ex-FBI agents and investigators are on retainer with the league. I’m sure you have no problem divulging that information so that people can make an independent informed decision about how the NFL is spending its funds. After all, its all about the fans right?

  69. “After Troy Vincent got caught on tape straight up lying to Adrian Peterson concerning his suspension why would anyone in the NFL PA even listen to a word he says?”

    —————————————————

    Don’t forget about Goodell lying through his teeth denying knowledge of the Ray Rice elevator video. Then the police confirmed immediately thereafter that they gave the NFL a copy.

    And we’re supposed to believe these guys over a star quarterback who has never done the slightest thing wrong over the course of 15 years, both on or off the field?

    The NFL screwed up in deflategate. The broadcast partners (ESPN, CBS, ABC, NBC and Fox to name a few) screwed up royally turning a completely trivial infraction (if it even happened at all) into the biggest news story on the planet.

    So protect everybody’s butts (the league, the broadcast partners, Belichick, Kraft and everybody else involved) and make Brady the fall guy.

    They couldn’t prove anything or disprove anything. Pretty obvious to see what happened here.

  70. “dryzzt23 says:

    This means that players can get away with MURDER (see Lewis, Ray), whereas if Goodell farts that leads to a lawsuit from the players.”

    The NFL code of silence in its executive office has been extended to prosecuting players to the max while never admitting any internal errors or missteps. They smeared Brady with malice and forethought and used leaks, lies, and cooked evidence to do it. Evidence that cost them multi-millions to manufacture.

    All Goodell had to say early on was “we screwed up; sorry” and deflategate – framegate would of dissipated in the wind quicker than the bad gas you reference.

  71. Troy…you are a total tool!!!
    Between & you & Goddell the NFL is a toal JOKE….lousiest management I’ve ever seen!!!

  72. I agree with what Vincent said…only substitute ‘ I object to spending 5 million dollars for a fraudulent report on a non-consequential phony scandal about deflated footballs’ when there are players hurting, etc, etc.

  73. There it is folks. This is the least insulting argument Vincent could scrounge up to cover his BFF: “shame on the NFLPA for spending money to combat our stupidity and witch hunting. The money could be going to ex-players who we, the league, are actively trying to to swindle.”

    How scared of Tom Brady do you have to be to still pretend to side with these shameless turds?

  74. Sounds as if the gravy train is slowing down towards a halt for a few individuals up there in the front office. Playing on borrowed time with someone else’s money. This is how it all starts, the chiefs start pointing their gnarly fingers at others and before too long they’re pointing at each other. Thank you Tom Brady, Indianapolis, and Mr. Wells.

  75. Putting someone remotely competent in Vincent’s role would save all of this money well before it’s ever spent.

  76. dryzzt23 says:
    Jun 30, 2015 12:36 PM

    It’s amazing how the media and their pals in the NFLPA identify ONE bad apple in NFL management and somehow ALL people in NFL management and made out to be downright evil.

    BUT, when a player beats a woman, beats a child, knowingly takes illegal drugs, drives drunk, or is basically a menace to civil society, then the same standard is NOT applied by the same media and the same union to the players themselves. Apparently the union and their player are allowed to be “good” and have a few bad apples but the NFL isn’t?

    There is a long list of players who are bad people, yet the union defends them.

    There is no one to defend NFL management.

    This means that players can get away with MURDER (see Lewis, Ray), whereas if Goodell farts that leads to a lawsuit from the players.
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    Do you really not understand the difference? When Irsay gets arrested or another owner/administrator does something stupid or illegal that does not reflect on all owners. When a league official such as Vincent comments on league policies, such as maintaining the “integrity of the game”, while calling out the opposition for daring to oppose the NFL- that is very different from an individual action. If Goodell disagrees with Vincent, he can very well say so. Or he can fire Vincent. I would not hold my breath waiting for either to happen.

  77. I am not sure when this changed, but the role of league commissioner was initially supposed to be someone looking out for the integrity of the game. Somewhere along the way the job definition changed. Does anyone really think Goodell has an interest in objectivity? That he is impartial? It seems in every sport the commissioner is now the agent/spokeperson for the owners. I don’t think Bud Selig could be seen as anything other than the rep for the other owners, and maybe that was when the veil of impartiality was cast off….
    A truly objective commissioner might be trustworthy as judge/jury/executioner, but the job description has clearly changed.

  78. What about the 1million you stole from the Patriots you jealous sack. Vincent is a loser, he never won during his playing career and he isn’t winning now. Go suckle at the NFL teat. I’m tired of hearing millionaires cry poverty.

  79. Unfortunately, they will be spending even more because a certain QB can’t accept the fact that he got caught cheating red handed.

  80. dryzzt23…..Jun 30, 2015 12:36 PM

    It’s amazing how the media and their pals in the NFLPA identify ONE bad apple in NFL management and somehow ALL people in NFL management and made out to be downright evil.
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    ONE???? I can think of at LEAST 3….Vincent, Kensil, Gardi ALL in NFL operations!!! Add in Badell…that is FOUR!!!
    I think it MAY be the other way….find a GOOD one in the upper management and??? I KNOW there are some…BUT..I think their lot is shrinking very fast!!
    The NFL is corrupt and close to criminal…and UNTIL these crooks GO…it will stink to the high heavens!!! NFSmell!!!

  81. Vincent played on the Bills and the Dolphins, two fierce and bitter rivals of the Patriots.

    Not to mention the Eagles, who lost to the Patriots in Super Bowl 39.

    And this guy got to deal them their punishment?

    REALLY?

    Love the Patriots or hate em, any reasonable person can see why Patriots fans have some seriously legitimate beef.

  82. Troy Vincent talking about integrity and morality when this is your record. This is the man making decision for a multibillion dollar organization? Wow, there are prisoners with a better record than this douche nozel. 1) stole confidential financial info of 41 agents when he was NFLPA guy and sent info to his business partner, 2) Undermined Gene Upshaw as NFLPA head when Upshaw was his biggest supporter, engaging in secret correspondence with Goodell 3) NFLPA board decided he was unqualified to be Union president because of his lack of formal education and numerous personal business venture failures, 4) He created 7 businesses between 1998-2004 and all went bankrupt, 5) He owed $200,000 to a former investor that court forced him to pay back, 6) He tried to cover up a sexual assault at a tanning salon in NJ that he owned, 7) former business partner stole $150k from a former NFL player, 8) He lied on his resume with NFLPA about graduating from college (Wisconsin) then had to go back and get an online degree from Thomas Edison College in order to try and be NFLPA president. 8) Lied to Adrian Peterson about what his suspension would be in order to get him to attend a meeting with Goodell at NFL headquarters (Peterson taped the conversation, which helped overturn the suspension in federal court).

  83. Mortensen needs to come clean and reveal who in the commissioners office leaked the false PSI information him. If he has any integrity as a reporter, this is the time to do it.

  84. dryzzt23 says:
    Jun 30, 2015 12:36 PM
    It’s amazing how the media and their pals in the NFLPA identify ONE bad apple in NFL management and somehow ALL people in NFL management and made out to be downright evil.
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    Is that you Roger?

  85. Years ago I took a course in Collective Behavior. We studied how mobs behave and how the quality of individual thinking can get eroded in a sea of public sentiment. We studied Kent State, the Kitty Genovese murder, Nazi Germany, the 1968 riots.

    I am fairly sure when all the dust settles someday, DEFLATEGATE will go down as a farce motivated by a hidden common desire among 31/32 of NFL fans to see the Patriots tarnished.

  86. Its straightforward. Troy Vincent knows Goodell and others are going down. So Vincent is trying to position himself. On one hand as potential Goodell replacement he can say well if I was commissioner I would be more aware of the costs of litigation and would rule more fairly eliminating all these exorbitant costs.
    Or when he looses his job with the NFL he is positioning for Executive Director by implying that with his recent experience, he knows both sides of the issue and would manage much more efficiently.
    He’s a loser along with the rest of the current head office hierarchy. Throw him out with the rest.

  87. Troy Vincent: Man these guys won’t do what we tell them

    Roger: You know what Troy, based upon the spirit of the rule, we should spend them into the ground

    Troy Vincent: Yes Roger! You’re smarters than me. OH BOY WE GOT THEM!

    ________________________

    So the NFLPA is wasting money… who is prompting them to do that? Pretty sure it’s you and you’re WE GOT THEM lies Troy.

    Troy VIncent everyone! Great CB, greater imbecile.

  88. SUMMER TIME FUN

    Deflation due to the elements of Nature/Science/Ideal Gas Law has been thoroughly covered. What has not been discussed is the obvious dilemma for the NFL from the other end of the Thermometer.

    What about footballs inflated/deflated in an Air Conditioned Room, let’s say 68 degrees, and the games could be in Miami, Phoenix or Houston with outdoor temperature around 90 degrees, added to that the footballs BAKING in the
    Sun could raise their temperature close to 100 degrees.
    PSI of those footballs at Half Time would be well over 13.5 psi.
    Possibly as high as 16.0 psi.

    These results would further the embarrassment of Goodell & the NFL. It would also solidify Brady’s innocence by highlighting two Monumental Facts:
    #1.) No Evidence of Deliberate Rule 17 violation
    #2.) Ideal Gas Law ( Weather = Wind Rain Cold Heat ) CONTROLS the fluctuation of psi levels of
    footballs during any given NFL football game. Sometimes causing Deflation below
    12.5 psi and other times causing Inflation above 13.5 psi.

    Can the next 8th Grade Science student provide for us this scientific experiment/analysis.

  89. Who is this guy anyway? A needed face? fricken clown errand boy ..NFL spends millions on suspect charged and can’t find end zone cameras..NFL is our version of Russia..few rich men controlling everything and dare anyone to go against thier shifting gray rules..

  90. What bothers me most is how this hatred of the Patriot’s and Brady has distracted NFL fans of how incompetent Goodell has been. I’ve hated Goodell and didn’t trust him when he started throwing out random fines and penalties. Being on the cover of Time magazine only made his ego grow even larger. He never followed any previous precedent and I am sure many people here have found his discipline against your team or players to be unreasonable and unjust? Only you can answer that question. Whenever a neutral side decided on whether his punishment was just, Goodell almost always lost. He is a train wreck as a commissioner. After the Ray Rice decision and cover up, he was on his way out the door. Somehow, the PSI of football was never important but presented a great way to distract NFL fans because of hatred of the Patriots. Just like the Yankees in baseball, Cowboys in football or whoever is on top of any sport(Lebron is another great example), everybody looks for a reason to shoot them down. Realize that Goodell and the NFL are using Tom Brady to distract you from his past incompetence. Ray Rice being the last example but what fans now consider not as big an issue as this highly flawed report by Wells. If Walt Anderson did his job, he never would have lost sight of the footballs for the first time in his NFL career, so he says, yet in the Wells report, he was praised. Wells praised a guy for not doing his job right. There are so many flaws in this report but I won’t get into the details that many have said and have been reported here. Just realize, the hatred you have against Goodell by non Patriot fans has been alleviated because of what is really a joke of a scandal. Don’t fall for this scandal and realize how New Orleans and so many other players have suffered under the incompetence of Roger Goodell’s justice and he should be fired!

  91. slvrnblk72 says:
    Jun 30, 2015 11:06 AM

    Chargers are still the 1963 AFL Champs
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    Thank you 1984 champs. How’s it feel being irrelevant for 30 years?

  92. I disagree Goodell has been incompetent. Because not one detractors has ever had the courage to say what should have been done. So how many games should a wife or girl friend beater get? How many games does a player get for leaving welts on their four year old get? How many games does a player get for deliberately trying to take opponents out of the game, even if he doesn’t suceed?

  93. limakey says:
    Jun 30, 2015 8:24 PM
    I disagree Goodell has been incompetent. Because not one detractors has ever had the courage to say what should have been done. So how many games should a wife or girl friend beater get? How many games does a player get for leaving welts on their four year old get? How many games does a player get for deliberately trying to take opponents out of the game, even if he doesn’t suceed?

    Wife beaters should be thrown out of the league.

    Child abusers should be thrown out of the league.

    Alcoholic drug addicts should be thrown out of the league.

    Players who deliberately injure other players should be thrown out of the league (see Suh stomping on Rodgers).

    Goodell, Kensil and Vincent should be thrown out of the NFL for their calculated slander and stunning incompetence at managing these and other situations.

  94. Limakey,
    I’m starting to wonder if you are not Goodell, himself, writing under the guise of anonymous names we all use. Cause your recent posts protecting Goodell make no sense whatsoever. Goodell is a narcissist. He really doesn’t care what anyone else thinks is an appropriate punishment. He only wants everyone to accept any decision he makes as being the best decision possibly conceived. He won’t admit he is wrong about anything. He doesn’t understand that he himself is the biggest threat to the Integrity of the Shield that he blathers on about. He not only deserves to be fired. He deserves to be personally sued for the many abuses of power he has enacted. And if in fact you are Goidell, do us all a favor and get some psychiatric help.

  95. These Deflategate posts are among the windiest, wild haired rants I have ever seen. We get it, Patriots’ fans. You think Tom Brady is a god and you don’t care that he cheated. You want to argue junk science to exonerate your beloved King. Lots of wackos do that, too. Here’s some science for you: Text messages are recorded on cell phones.

  96. Rootpain, he did admit that he got it wrong in the Rice case, and has worked very hard to correct it. But again I why is the Commissioner of a sport being put into the position of having you disappointing employees for beating their children or their wives or their girlfriends?

  97. Limakey, true Goodell did apologize but this was AFTER the massivd criticism and wouldn’t have had to apologize if he didn’t penalize Rice TWICE. Goodell put HIMSELF in this situation

  98. Dunston, I think the NFL got a raw deal on the Rice case. It still baffles me on who and how and when each tape was released. It is obvious that those tapes were sold one by one to make the most money on them. Those tapes should have only gone to law enforcement. There would have been more of an out rage if Rice would not have been punished a second time. Commissioner had no choice.

  99. whywerule says:
    Jul 1, 2015 6:04 AM

    Yes, they should be thrown out of the league (or at least an indefinite suspension (minimum of one year) that they would have to appeal to be reinstated after a year), but unless those punishments are written into the CBA and the codes of conduct and discipline, the NFL cannot impose them, because an arbitrator or a federal judge will throw out those bans. It seems like there was a lot of lying going on about who knew what and when with the Ray Rice situation. Even so, the punishment could not have exceeded what was in the agreement with the players’ union. No question that Goodell should be fired (should have happened a long time ago) but it has been demonstrated time and time again that as much as the NFL front office may want to (and as much as the outraged public may want them to), they cannot unilaterally change the disciplinary policy at a whim.

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