Pierre-Paul refused to see Ronnie Barnes, Jessie Armstead

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There may yet be no overt hostility between the Giants and defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul. But the feelings currently are far from warm and fuzzy.

Per multiple league sources, Pierre-Paul specifically declined to see trainer Ronnie Barnes and former Giants linebacker Jessie Armstead (pictured). As one source explained it, they traveled to Miami without first contacting Pierre-Paul or otherwise determining that Pierre-Paul would see them.

Listed as a “Special Assistant” on the team’s official website, Armstead has become a liaison between the organization and the players. He specifically has a strong relationship with Pierre-Paul.

That relationship wasn’t strong enough to prompt Pierre-Paul to invite Armstead to the hospital for a visit.

The fact that the team sent Barnes with Armstead (and not coach Tom Coughlin or G.M. Jerry Reese) suggests that the trip primarily was aimed at learning more about the injuries Pierre-Paul suffered. From Pierre-Paul’s perspective, there’s currently no reason to cooperate with that effort.

If Pierre-Paul signs the one-year, $14.8 million franchise tender, the Giants control the situation completely. They can put him on the non-football injury list at the outset of training camp, and then they can keep him there at the start of the regular season, causing Pierre-Paul to miss at least six regular-season games.

At this point, it would be a major surprise if Pierre-Paul signs the tender before he’s cleared to play. If the Giants are willing to guarantee the full amount of the one-year salary regardless of his placement on NFI, that could persuade him to accept the tag.

The Giants can rescind the tender, and that’s still what Pierre-Paul would prefer. He’d become a free agent, able to sign a contract with any team.

Pierre-Paul’s lingering preference to no longer be tagged suggests that his injuries aren’t serious, and that he’ll be able to play at some point this year, perhaps earlier than later. The current concern, per multiple sources, is nerve damage that is believed to be short term in nature.

58 responses to “Pierre-Paul refused to see Ronnie Barnes, Jessie Armstead

  1. …a liaison between the organization and the players. He (Armsted) specifically has a strong relationship with Pierre-Paul.

    Based on the fact that JPP told him to kick rocks? Sound like a great friendship to me.

  2. I wonder if JPP intentionally did this to get out of the tender at this point. Granted that’s saying he is pretty dumb. In my defense though, he did blow a firework up near his hand, he can’t be that bright.

  3. Ask a firefighter, burns are nasty… skin grafts are worse…

    They take months and months to heal and the risk of secondary infection is omnipresent and severe.

    Cant help but feel for the dude, nobody ever said being Patriotic was easy, but maybe next yr stick to sparklers…

  4. I think at this point the only way he could sign anything is with one of his feet. There’s no way he wants to see anyone from the Giants right now, he probably has both hands all wrapped up in bandages.

  5. Ummm… The more interesting story here is that JPP is STILL in the hospital. I find it extremely hard to believe that he has “just burns”. Maybe all the skin melted off his hand? CJ Wilson lost a couple fingers; is he still in the hospital?

  6. Where’s all the Brady cell phone supporters. This is no different. JPP showing his hand is no different than Brady turning over his phone. JPP and his agent smartly know that the team will see that hand and make it out like his career is over in order to drive down his value to get him to sign that insulting $60M contract that’s been on the table since December.

    JPP and his agent are no dummies. Good for them. No good can come showing the Giants those hands.

  7. A bird in the hand is worth two in a bush.

    These finger/hand jokes can go on forever. And before anyone says it’s cruel, JPP has earned the ridicule. Don’t be a complete jackwagon.

  8. Marshawn Lunch says:
    Jul 8, 2015 5:12 PM

    Ummm… The more interesting story here is that JPP is STILL in the hospital. I find it extremely hard to believe that he has “just burns”. Maybe all the skin melted off his hand? CJ Wilson lost a couple fingers; is he still in the hospital?
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    Good point. I haven’t heard.

  9. Wasn’t it Jason Pierre-Paul who threw Prince Amukamara into an ice bath?

    What this guy consider’s entertainment is asinine to most reasonable adults.

    Incognito is more grown up than this clown.

  10. CJ Wilson lost a couple fingers; is he still in the hospital?
    _________________________________
    Surgeons just lop those puppies off, wrap em up and send you on your way. Actually a very simple procedure.

  11. ^let me rephrase. Using fireworks before a walk year makes you dumb beyond belief. So he’s a dummy in that respect. But not in how he’s handled his response to the Giants.

  12. “Aka his hand is really messed up and does not want to show anyone yet.”

    You’re supposed to read the post before you comment on it.

  13. So they tried to surprise visit him and are surprised that he didn’t want to see them? Come on now.

    This is just ugly all around.

  14. @justintuckrule

    This has absolutely nothing to do with Tom Brady’s cellphone.

    At no point in your comments did you even come close to what would be considered a rational thought about this article.

  15. Really… This has nothing to do with cell phones? You don’t say.

    Sorry you can’t go beyond the four corners of an article to engage in logical debate. I can’t help you.

    Brady wasn’t compelled to turn over his phone and everyone argued that doing so would only hurt him.

    JPP isn’t compelled to meet the Giants’ trainer (that’s what this article is about, right?) because he’s not under contract and has HIPAA rights regardless. Meeting with the trainer can only hurt him. See the parallel now?

    Everyone on here says, “business is business.” That’s the NFL mantra right? So why isn’t it “just business” for JPP to tell the Giants they can’t see him right now?

    He was stupid for playing with fireworks in the first place but he’s handling the fallout pretty wisely.

  16. Why would Pierre-Paul prefer having the tender restricted and becoming a free agent? Nobody is going to throw a big money deal at him this late in the offseason, we’re nearly arriving at training camp.

  17. At the risk of showing ignorance however, it’s not like he is a WR or CB how bad could he be without a finger or two… heck my shop teacher did fine with seven.

  18. If he worked for or was a potential hire for me like he is for the Giants, he’s gone. He owes them anything they want to know about his health and possible employment with the team. Being a free agent isn’t as cool as it looks, ask Evan Mathis.

  19. What is JPP hiding?

    THIS is why NFL teams need protection from evil greedy players.

    JPP would willingly defraud the Giants by signing a contract without disclosing his injury. Then when the Giants sue JPP after finding out the extent of the undisclosed injury, ESPN/PFT will cry for JPP and say “oh the billionaires want their money back” or some crap like that to make JPP out to be the “victim”.

    Screw JPP. Cut him. He is a tainted player IMO. Greedy, evil, and selfish.

  20. Ok JPP, the Giants can play your game of “hide & seek”.
    The Giants have your contract ready to sign…come to NY/NJ to sign it…..BUT

    You are not allowed to see it, you can only sign it.

    What do you mean that you need to know/see what you’re signing? Since when? After all Mr. PP, YOU refused to disclose your injury so isn’t turnaround just fair play?

  21. He is still probably on pretty serious pain meds. I wouldn’t meet with anyone if I were on anything more than ibuprofen. Especially if my employer decided to drop by uninvited.

  22. JPP is not currently employed by any team in the NFL. He doesn’t have to let anybody in if he doesn’t want to.

    Might not be the best idea to freeze them out, but he is under no obligation until he cashes a check under contract.

  23. I don’t care if he wants to have fun lighting fireworks on the 4th of July, but he’s not even a good player. What do the top 5 defensive players make on the team? Not $15 million. He’s not even close to being in the top 5, and the defense sucks as a unit.

  24. Brady’s personal cell phone has nothing to do with him being able to play and the league has no right looking at it. JPP has every right under HIPPA to keep this quiet I’m a Pats fan and JPP can and should do what he needs to to protect his career. The Giants just have to wait and see. Personally let him walk he doesn’t want to be there so why waste almost 15 mill. On him

  25. Who’s paying for all of the medical expenses? JPP, Giants, or the NFL? How does that work with players and injuries outside of football operations?

  26. these players are crazy idiots to be doing stuff like this, completely crazy

    youve got a talent, a contract, a chance to be set for life…. then you don’t have enough sense to not use explosives with your HAND ….. wow

    he deserves whatever hell is coming to him

  27. Clearly JPP has a short fuse, the Giants have to take care not to light a match to the situation and make it all blow up. The whole thing has to be handled carefully; I suggest they drop it and get away, then just keep their fingers crossed!

  28. JPP will sign the franchise tag contract,then show up to training camp with a fake hand like Carl Weathers had in Happy Gilmore.

  29. Smart move by JPP. It doesn’t sound like the Giants were showing up to see if he was ok but rather to check in on a commodity with a lingering contract. By denying the visitors he still controls his future even if his hand is blown off or whatnot.

  30. DrSteveBrule says:
    Jul 8, 2015 6:31 PM

    Who’s paying for all of the medical expenses? JPP, Giants, or the NFL? How does that work with players and injuries outside of football operations?
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    JPP had a health insurance plan and he liked it. Alas, he didn’t get to keep that plan…or his doctor.

  31. Hell, if I knew I had one mil on the line I wouldn’t leave the safety of my house let alone handle explosive materials.

  32. Jpp would like to give the Giants the “finger “, the problem is one hand is bandaged up and the other hand is missing his middle finger .,.

    Zing …

  33. If his injuries aren’t permanent and he gets the Giants to rescind the tag – that’s some nice stategery by JPP’s agent.

    I have no sympathy for NFL teams in this situation (or generally, in their dealings with players). If you wanted to monitor the player – you should have had him under contract. Or hey, how about arranging a visit instead of just showing up? Any agent who lets a team inspect his client at a time like this is crazy. JPP has been an elite pass rusher and the Giants have low-balled him on a long term offer and now they want him to sign the Franchise Tender. If the Giants get emotional and pull the franchise tender – they have failed their fans.

    Make no mistake- as long as the injuries are not permanent, there is big money waiting for him on the open market. JPP is still just 26 – Mario Williams got $50M guaranteed in 2012 at age 27 (and it was a good signing by the Bills). Revenue and TV money have gone up since then and yet, by all accounts, the Giants were barely offering half of that for a long term deal. Now they want him to put his career on the line for less than 1/3 and hope he doesn’t blow out a knee.

    Don’t get me wrong- this money is all ridiculous to me, but in context of the risk of playing in this league without guaranteed deals- I side with the players. Hope he heals fast and he gets all he can.

  34. “Clearly JPP has a short fuse, the Giants have to take care not to light a match to the situation and make it all blow up. The whole thing has to be handled carefully; I suggest they drop it and get away, then just keep their fingers crossed!”

    Really? Everything is reversed now where people think that employers should be scared to confront their own employees.

    Employees USED to value the fact that they had a job. Now it is as if employees are “entitled” to that job.

    Jobs are the property of the EMPLOYER.
    JPP is not entitled to his position, it is a privilege, not a right. JPP should be happy that he is an NFL player b/c he won’t be for long if he keeps this up.

    JPP injured himself OFF THE CLOCK, therefore HE, and HE ALONE, is responsible for paying medical expenses for his injuries.
    His idiocy should not cost the Giants a penny.

  35. He blew the tips of his fingers off. He has severe burns and i’m sure still in pain and still having surgeries. He is also very sedated. I would ask people to see me a little later too.

  36. I have to disagree with those who say that his play would not be affected by the loss of some fingers. An Offensive lineman, maybe but not a defensive player. A defensive lineman must be able to grab the blocker. Strong hands are an imperative.

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