Source: Greg Hardy will fight anything more than two games

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Cowboys defensive Greg Hardy isn’t pleased with his current circumstances, but he has not lost the will to keep fighting to change them.

A source close to Hardy tells PFT that Hardy will challenge in court an arbitration ruling that imposes anything more than a two-game suspension against Hardy for violation the Personal Conduct Policy.

Under the version of the policy that was in place at the time Hardy allegedly engaged in domestic violence, the standard penalty for a first offense of that nature was a two-game suspension without pay. After the Ray Rice debacle embarrassed the league and nearly brought down a Commissioner, the league beefed up its approach to domestic violence.

Hardy and the NFL Players Association contend that the NFL applied new rules retroactively to Hardy, and that Hardy’s suspension should be only two games, based on the rules in place at the time the conduct occurred.

“Greg has every intention of taking whatever legal steps are necessary,” the source said. “Nothing has changed on our end.”

The comments come in direct response to a report from Jason Cole of Bleacher Report that Hardy is “losing some of his will to fight,” and that Hardy may accept a reduced suspension to six or eight games without pursuing any further legal action.

“Greg has nothing to lose by fighting,” the source said.

The source added that the 41-days-and-counting delay in the issuance of a decision from hearing officer Harold Henderson has only strengthened the resolve to fight — and that it possibly has strengthened the case against the league, under the argument that Henderson has dragged his feet in order to make it harder for Hardy to get a final decision from a federal court before Week One of the 2015 regular season.

Regardless of what Hardy did or didn’t do or whether he does or doesn’t “deserve” what he’s getting, Hardy faced no criminal liability because the alleged victim failed to show up for the jury trial, due reportedly to a civil settlement. In past years, there’s a good chance Hardy would have faced no scrutiny of any kind from the league. In this case, the 15-game paid suspension in 2014 and the proposed 10-game unpaid suspension in 2015 flow directly from the league’s belated efforts to take domestic violence more seriously.

Do we condone what Hardy allegedly did? Absolutely not. If guilty, he shouldn’t be able to write a check to avoid conviction and incarceration. But the NFL also shouldn’t be allowed to change its rules on the fly simply because the NFL has realized in the face of intense public pressure that the prior rules didn’t go far enough.

Hardy continues to believe that, and he continues to be willing to fight against an effort by the NFL to apply new rules to conduct that occurred months before the rules changed.

74 responses to “Source: Greg Hardy will fight anything more than two games

  1. “Source: Greg Hardy will fight anything more than two games”

    He’ll fight anything alright…including women, children, elderly, etc.

    dirtbag

  2. On the bright side once this and the Brady suspension go down in flames in a courtroom, Goodell WILL be told his services as commissioner of the NFL are no longer required.

    #BookIt

  3. This clown is lucky that he isn’t sharing cells with Hernandez. Only pro athletes feel they are above the law

  4. jobotjones says: Jul 8, 2015 10:55 AM

    That’s funny because he probably deserves a minimum of 6 games.

    Nobody will disagree with that but as Florio correctly noted this is more about the NFL changing its rules on a whim like usual. This is the epic incompetence shown time and time again by the NFL under this commissioner.

    Hopefully this is the end of the line for this commissioner. Time to get someone who knows what he is doing in the job.

  5. I feel like every issue that comes up with the NFL ends with me thinking “how long could this really take?”

    It’s a joke at this point. The commish used to say it’s because they want to get it right…but they never have!

  6. Well lets just change the rukes as GODell sees fit … i mean he can do anything he wants … even ignoring a federal judge.
    Hmmm …. i hope to hell he (GODell gets 30 days for comtempt of court.
    Two games is the max he will get. It was the rule at that time so that what needs to happen.

  7. Probably having a general awareness of footballs being deflated is a much worse offense then punching a woman out cold in an elevator and whatever Greg Hardy did in the NFL front offices world. The only reason the NFL was able to get away with the pats framegate is because it was a way for Godell to restore his reputation by trying to destroy Bradys (because most people dislike the pats they sided with what was done). Godell also waited to rule on hardy because he didn’t want to lessen Hardys suspension and not Bradys b/c will be looked at as favoring domestic violence again.

  8. STILLlolatpatshaters says:
    Jul 8, 2015 10:45 AM

    The difference between Hardy and Brady is that Hardy actually has a good argument here. And u better hope Goodell doesnt leave, he is the reason the patriots werent punished harder for Spygate and the reason Bill wasnt suspended for deflategate. I believe the commissioner suspended Sean Payton 1 yr with the “ignorance isnt an excuse” thing, but all the sudden the patriots are caught cheating, Bill says he didnt know about it and now the commissioner says “ok well ignorance IS an excuse for you bill, your free to go”. Goodell changing things on a whim manages to always help the Patriots.

  9. Goodell and harold Henderson needed to be fired yesterday. These 2 clowns are a circus.

    The owners need to fire everyone in the League Office and start fresh. They all are a bunch of incompetent buffoons.

    Lets hope the FBI has a sting coming on the NFL. Would love to see the owners and everyone in that League office thrown in jail.

  10. Hardy might have a case, Brady doesn’t. I can just imagine what it will be like if Hardy wins a suit and Brady’s is thrown out…the lemmings here will be calling for Brady to sue the courts…LOL.

  11. .
    How often do players from MLB, the NHL, or NBA have to go into federal court to challenge their league’s disciplinary procedures?

    With Goodell it seems every case becomes a federal case. When will the owners realize that Goodell is a PR man and not a leader? Would you want Roger Goodell leading our troops into battle?
    .

  12. This isn’t about Hardy.

    Its all about Goodell arbitrarily changing rules that were negotiated as part of the CBA, which he does not have the authority to change on his own.

    If the players union was run with someone with a spine there would have been a strike last year when Goodell too matters into his own hands and ignored the CBA.

  13. Hardy didn’t just push her against a wall. He beat the crap out of her in the bathroom. He threw her down on a bed full of automatic weapons. He was convicted by a JUDGE! GO READ THE TESTIMONY! If it weren’t for stupid North Carolina law and paying off the victim, he would be rotting in prison! So anyone who argues his suspension be reduced because of garbage ” legal language” go spit!

  14. its very simple. The NFL cannot change the rules as they go along…..rather you like Greg Hardy or not, rather you think he deserves no punishment or suspended forever, it will go to court and a judge will overturn the suspension. the NFL CANNOT make up rules, then appoint the arbitrator that’s supposed to be a neutral party. Hardy will win.

  15. Lost appeals should carry a mandatory addition to the original suspension for wasting time.

  16. professorpigskin46 says:
    Jul 8, 2015 11:20 AM
    I have a compromise. How about he takes his suspension during the playoffs, just like the rest of the Cowboys.
    _________________________________________
    Beyond idiotic after the won the division and a playoff game. Maybe you should start watching games more.

  17. greymares says:
    Jul 8, 2015 11:44 AM
    Lost appeals should carry a mandatory addition to the original suspension for wasting time.
    ———–

    That’s once of the stupidest ideas I’ve ever heard. He’s a dirtbag, but even dirtbags get equal protection under the law. The NFL cannot change the rules retroactively.

  18. I love whenever PFT talks about the ray rice thing, they always put “nearly brought down the commissioner.” It’s so inaccurate, it’s not even funny. He was never in danger of losing his job. Either give us proof that the owners almost canned him, or move on from that overly sensational, but extremely inaccurate phrase.

  19. By the rule in place at the time of the Hardy incident, he is only supposed to get a probationary warning.

    The new rule that Goodell put in place after Ray Rice calls for six games, but he gave him 10 based on nothing.

    The NFL has to be tired of getting their rulings thrown in their face by federal courts. There’s probably a negotiation going on.

    If Hardy is holding at 2 games (which by rule is more than he should serve), then that’s what’s holding this up so long.

  20. greymares says:
    Jul 8, 2015 11:44 AM
    Lost appeals should carry a mandatory addition to the original suspension for wasting time.
    ______________________________________
    Why? The arbitrator was picked by the NFL… this isn’t neutral. 3rd party appeals are usually decided by a candidate pool and each side gets so many strikes to remove candidates that have a history of leaning one way or another. This happens all the time in the real world. Also, if Hardy loses the “appeal” and wins in court then the NFL will have to pay all his legal fees. Hardy has nothing to lose by fighting.

    The NFL tried to save face and levy a huge suspension for an incident that happened during an old set of rules. It’s a PR genius move by the NFL, but it’s not fair to the player, which is why Hardy will pursue legal action for anything more than a 2 game suspension, which is what should have originally been given.

  21. Florio seems to hold the NFL’s CBA in higher regard than the US Constitution. He’s comfortable with the Supreme Court changing law simply due appease (manufactured) public pressure.

    But not the CBA, oh no. The CBA is serious.

  22. letsgobuffalo4 says:
    Jul 8, 2015 11:19 AM

    STILLlolatpatshaters says:
    Jul 8, 2015 10:45 AM

    The difference between Hardy and Brady is that Hardy actually has a good argument here. And u better hope Goodell doesnt leave, he is the reason the patriots werent punished harder for Spygate and the reason Bill wasnt suspended for deflategate. I believe the commissioner suspended Sean Payton 1 yr with the “ignorance isnt an excuse” thing, but all the sudden the patriots are caught cheating, Bill says he didnt know about it and now the commissioner says “ok well ignorance IS an excuse for you bill, your free to go”. Goodell changing things on a whim manages to always help the Patriots.

    ____________________________

    Are you out of your mind? “Helping” the Patriots? The Pats have been fined more $$ and more draft picks than any team in history for: 1)having their camera in the wrong spot and 2)not tampering with footballs.

  23. Roger Goodell is such a piece of crap owner/person that many people are actually rooting for Greg Hardy.

    Great job Roger! The sad part is that he thinks he’s doing a great job.

    There has never been a more clueless figure in the history of professional sports.

  24. The NFL punishment system is a joke. It calls for immediate paid punishment via the Idiot’s Exempt List based solely on an allegation, then a 6 game suspension, the whatever the Idiot decides to deal out on top of that, then it gets appealed to one of the Idiots BFFs or to the Idiot himself. What a joke.

    If the Idiot had any stones, he would have said long ago that players have the right to a fair trial of any allegations, and based the punishment on the outcome of the legal system doing what it’s designed to do (and the NFL isn’t designed to do, nor shown any ability to do). If it’s 6 games, it’s 6 games, but this reckless “I’ll punish you with as many games as I want because I’m mightier than thou” the Idiot spews is ridiculous. The NFL is not a judicial system.

    Fire the Idiot.

  25. greymares says:

    Jul 8, 2015 11:44 AM

    Lost appeals should carry a mandatory addition to the original suspension for wasting time.
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    The only “wasted time” is the NFL’s fault. It literally takes them multiple months to make a decision on anything.

    When this CBA expires, the NFLPA should seriously consider a work stoppage if they can’t rein in some control from their dictator commissioner.

    The NFL NEEDS a consistent, fair and FAST discipline and appeals process.

    Take Brady for example, one could argue a good commissioner would’ve prevent this whole debacle from even happening in the first place. But that neither here nor there.

    The “alleged” crime took place on January 18th!!! and we’re not even close to a resolution yet. Who’s fault is that? The NFL took 100 days and $5 million dollars to come up with a bogus report devoid of any good science and loaded with bias. Then we had to wait another 2 months for the “appeal” process, and now we’ve been waiting 2 weeks for a decision from that “appeal”. My guess is we don’t get a decision about Brady’s appeal until training camp and then When Brady takes this to court it’ll drag well into the regular season.

    This entire thing should’ve been avoided or completely resolved by March 1st.

  26. RegisHawk says:

    Jul 8, 2015 11:35 AM

    Hardy might have a case, Brady doesn’t. I can just imagine what it will be like if Hardy wins a suit and Brady’s is thrown out…the lemmings here will be calling for Brady to sue the courts…LOL.
    ——————————–
    Considering that it has been 100% proven through science that the footballs were never tampered with or deflated, I’d say Brady has a pretty compelling case.

  27. Most of you idiots don’t even know the details of this charge or have read the police report. You DO know that some of these “women” are smash and grab, gold digging, strait-up con artists right? The marks on this woman are all made in defense and its pretty plain to see… the first officer on the scene said in his report “for a girl her size and a man his size it doesn’t look like he wanted to hurt her.”

    She got what she was after (it wasn’t justice) so all you idiots who would blindly put a man to the firing squad based on accusations, I wish you would shut up.

  28. Considering that it has been 100% proven through science that the footballs were never tampered with or deflated, I’d say Brady has a pretty compelling case.
    —————————————————————-

    it hasn’t been 100% proven 1 way or the other, and the officials only measured the air pressure at halftime of 1 game, after they had been suspected and accused of doing it all year

    anyone reading those text messaged can deduce exactly what was going on there

  29. Lowest form of human GREG HARDY!!! He needs to get thrown out of the league. READ WHAT HE ACTUALLY DED TO THE WOMAN!!!
    20 YEARS FEDERAL WOULD BE THE ANSWER FOR HARDY THE CREEP!!!
    COWBOYS ARE THE ONES DESPARATE TO GET HARDY ON THE TEAM… THEY ARE THE PR CAMP FOR THE CREEP. THEY LOST MCCLAEN THEY ARE DESPARATE!!!

  30. hey professorpigskin46, the cowboys are an expansion franchise with more wins then your team that existed decades longer.

    you can always root for another strike shortened season to win another championship I guess.

  31. it is pretty clear fandom is taking precedent over the facts here.

    the facts are Hardy called 911 because he couldn’t get this women to leave his place.

    the facts are that he has been forced to miss 15 games already, for charges that were thrown out.

    the DA had the womens sworn testimony, if they felt they had a case, why throw out the charges?

  32. This story was always just Jason Cole carrying water for someone again. I don’t remember the last time he was right when he had an unnamed “source”.

  33. Hardy didn’t just push her against a wall. He beat the crap out of her in the bathroom. He threw her down on a bed full of automatic weapons. He was convicted by a JUDGE! GO READ THE TESTIMONY! If it weren’t for stupid North Carolina law and paying off the victim, he would be rotting in prison! So anyone who argues his suspension be reduced because of garbage ” legal language” go spit!
    ___________________________________

    “I didn’t see anything.”

    — Lawrence, who testified she heard Hardy “bodyslamming” Nicole Holder.
    ————————————————————
    “She said, ‘He hasn’t seen crazy yet.’”

    — Laura Iwanicki, Holder’s friend and co-worker, on what Holder told her while they were out the night of May 12.
    ————————————————————
    “I plead the Fifth.”

    — Laura Iwanicki, on if she snorted cocaine with Holder that night.
    ————————————————————
    “You didn’t even break a fingernail, did you?”

    — Chris Fialko, Hardy’s attorney, cross-examining Holder.
    ————————————————————
    “Uh, I did break a fingernail, a toenail.”

    — Nicole Holder.

  34. This would be amazing if he got 2 games for assaulting a woman and Brady got 4 games for not deflating footballs and the Pats lost 2 picks for not deflating footballs.

  35. It’ll never get to that point, guys like this always implode before they get the opportunity to show the world what upstanding citizens they are.

  36. portnoychunk says:
    Jul 8, 2015 12:04 PM

    Is ur head that far into the sand? The pats didnt “misplace” a camera and “accidentally” tape someone elses team. The “weather” didnt deflate balls in New England for the first time in the history of the NFL. This isnt a big coincidence. Spygate should have been a forfeiture of the SB since they cheated to get it and Bill should have been suspended a year for that. A measly fine and draft pick was getting off EASY. This time around you get off easy again. Based on a second infraction you SHOULD have another super bowl taken away, brady suspended for at least a year and Bill banned for life for a second major cheating infraction. You have gotten off light and STILL have the biggest cheating punishments in NFL history. Get real with this “we are innocent! we just keep being in the wrong spot at the wrong time” crap. Eventually you have to see the patriots for what they are- a pretty good team who cheats to win. Bill was head coach of the brown for 5 yrs and got ONE winning season. He sucked. He came to NE, cheated his way to a few super bowl, couldnt get another one until a new cheating scandal. What a coincidence.

  37. COWLOSERS TODAY WE ALL BREATH AND SPEAK 21ST CENTURY!!! NOT 1990’S OKAY!!! You took the crooked game from The Leons last year and everyone that ever watched a game knew the game was already set up for Jerruh the owner who accepts any player anyway he can.
    Cowlosers have not been relevant for 3 decades. Take a snap shot of those old old old years and keep them somewhere no body wants to see.
    Your team takes anyone just so they can have hope. HARDY SHOULD BE LOCKED UP FOR 20 YEARS!

  38. hairpie2 says:
    Jul 8, 2015 1:04 PM

    Your comparing apples and oranges. In real life hitting a woman is much worse than cheating. But the NFL isnt the law, they are a business and are punishing ppl on how they affect their business. Some off field issue isnt as bad as tainted the whole integrity of the game. And 31 teams fans, the commissioner who has always been in the Patriots corner (and who Kraft decided to give 44mi/yr to b/c he is so good at his job) and a third party, million dollar investigation all say the patriots are guilty. I guess EVERYONE is wrong and just u fools who support the patriots are right lol. Kraft cant support every decision Roger has ever made and then when Rogers hand is forced to punish Kraft all the sudden he isnt fair. Thats the definition of Hypocrite. “you do so well ill give u 44 million/yr, but if you EVER punish me then ill say your terrible at your job”.

  39. The CBA allows Goodell to rule on the case. The CBA allows Goodell to appoint a 3rd party arbitrator IF he chooses to.

    He isn’t required to, so the fact that he is letting it go to an arbitrator is further than he has to go .

    At the time of the Hardy’s indiscretion, the CBA had no set punishment schedule for the personal conduct code. Therefore any length of suspension is allowed under the CBA.

    If Hardy were to have received a 6 game suspension, he could use the argument that the NFL was using the new system for an old crime. However, by giving him 10, it is different from the new system.

    Hardy and Rice are different in the fact that Rice had already been given a suspension and then had it lengthened. This is Hardy’s first suspension on this infraction.

    Hardy agreed to go on the Exempt list until his case was resolved. After his case was determined he was on the list until his NFL sentencing was laid out.

    Whether or not the court found him guilty is irrelevant as guilty or not he put his hands on that woman and the NFL is punishing people that do any action similar to that now.

    Unfortunately for Hardy, his stupidity and the nations want for a pound of flesh is what is hurting him the most here.

    He does have something to lose, if you appeals and his suspension is upheld, it could cause him to miss any post season, which would be a big detriment to him and the Cowboys team.

  40. ***Is ur head that far into the sand? The pats didnt “misplace” a camera and “accidentally” tape someone elses team. The “weather” didnt deflate balls in New England for the first time in the history of the NFL. This isnt a big coincidence. Spygate should have been a forfeiture of the SB since they cheated to get it and Bill should have been suspended a year for that.***

    i cant stop laughing at this. ^^^

  41. hairpie2 says:
    Jul 8, 2015 2:13 PM

    And i cant stop laughing at the fact that the pats lost ANOTHER first round pick and Brady is out 4 games. Only ppl who dont feel confident they can compete on the same level as others cheat………so what does that say about Brady??? I mean sure Lance Armstrong fans can say he still woulda won without PED’s, Bonds and A-rod fans can say they would have been just as good without cheating too. But ummmm, if the players felt that way, then why cheat???

  42. ***a third party, million dollar investigation all say the patriots are guilty.***

    uuum, no. the investigation actually exonerates them. Read the report.

  43. ***And i cant stop laughing at the fact that the pats lost ANOTHER first round pick and Brady is out 4 games.***

    if Belichick spurned the Jets for Buffalo, youd be having the same problems as Pats fans.

  44. hairpie2 says:
    Jul 8, 2015 2:24 PM

    HAHA your kidding right???? What was Well’s official answer to the investigation???? Oh yes, that more probably than not there was tampering with the footballs and that Brady was aware of it. How on earth does that exonerate Brady????? Based off that report he got 4 game suspension. Patriot fans are the only ones who seem to think the report helps them lol. Fools.

  45. And no if Bill went to Buffalo we wouldnt be in the same spot. We wouldnt have won 3 SB’s right away………only because our owner isnt besties with the Commissioner and our owner wouldnt allow our head coach to cheat like a low life. Ralph actually had morals, unfortunately there are owners like Kraft and Jerry Jones who have winnings teams- but they sacrifice their dignity and morals to get those wins. Any owner should fire a head coach who either cheats or doesnt know that he cant tape other teams. Either fire him for being a cheater or for being the most ignorant coach of all time.

  46. The NFL punitive system is inconsistent and really just doesn’t make sense. Once someone has been charged with a crime and enters the criminal system, then it should be a matter of, if they aren’t in jail, they can play.

    People should be allowed to get on with their lives and careers after they serve the punishment the judicial system assigns them. And in no way am I making light of his serious charges but who the NFL think they are?

  47. letsgobuffalo4 says:
    Jul 8, 2015 1:49 PM

    Is ur head that far into the sand? The pats didnt “misplace” a camera and “accidentally” tape someone elses team. The “weather” didnt deflate balls in New England for the first time in the history of the NFL. This isnt a big coincidence. Spygate should have been a forfeiture of the SB since they cheated to get it and Bill should have been suspended a year for that

    =====
    Yours is obviously in the sand. Spygate – Taping location memo went out in 2006. Had no impact on previous superbowls no matter how much you wish it did.

    Remember when buffalo lost the first of their 4 Super Bowl appearances to the Giants….and the hoodie? Man that was a great defensive game plan. Isn’t it in the hall of fame………

  48. ***HAHA your kidding right???? What was Well’s official answer to the investigation???? Oh yes, that more probably than not there was tampering with the footballs and that Brady was aware of it. How on earth does that exonerate Brady????? Based off that report he got 4 game suspension. Patriot fans are the only ones who seem to think the report helps them lol. Fools.***

    Wells own answer contradicted the evidence that was collected. Are you going to read it or just keep making up funny things on the internet that i can show my friends?

  49. “Hardy faced no criminal liability because the alleged victim failed to show up for the jury trial”

    Why does the media keep repeating this inaccuracy? Courts will pursue DV cases with or without the “victim” IF there is evidence. There was none, and her testimony conflicted with the evidence AND her own statements.

    The law was changed to help battered women and end the “Assault-charges dropped by victim-can’t press charges” cycle.

    IMO the NFL is dragging it’s feet so it doesn’t have to say there is not enough evidence to suspend Hardy. They want Hardy to MAKE them dismiss the suspension so they look tough on DV.

  50. greymares:
    “but it’s not fair to the player”
    ————————-

    It’s not fair to the player because the charges were dropped.

  51. Guess he better get ready to fight because the only one that will get less than a 4 game suspension will be untouchable Tom Brady & he’ll walk completely so Goodell will stay in the good graces of the by GOD patsies the darlings of the NFL!!!

  52. BringBackTheFlex: maybe you should Quote the correct poster. I never said ” it’s not fair to the player ” and can’t think of any situation where I would give that Quote.

  53. Don’t hate the player, hate the game. Just like OJ. We all know he did it, but don’t hat him cause he used the system, LEGALLY” and beat you. And Hardy had help. The victim took the $$$$. In my opinion, she allowed him to get away with it.

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