Is Hardy’s reduced suspension good news for Brady?

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With Cowboys defensive end Greg Hardy’s 10-game suspension reduced to four games, what does that mean for Patriots quarterback Tom Brady’s four-game suspension?

As a practical matter, arbitrator Harold Henderson’s decision to cut Hardy’s suspension from 10 games to four games makes it very difficult for Commissioner Roger Goodell to keep Brady’s suspension at four. Keeping Brady at four would invite the wrath of Patriots fans who believe Goodell has equated Brady’s conduct (whatever it was) to domestic violence, and it also would invite the wrath of those who believe Goodell has equated domestic violence to Brady’s conduct (whatever it was).

So Goodell now has no real choice but to reduce the suspension, most likely to two games. It still won’t be easy to do; ideally, Goodell needs to find a way to shorten the suspension without undermining the multi-million-dollar efforts of Ted Wells, the man Goodell hired to spend multiple millions of dollars investigating #DeflateGate.

Complicating matters is the disconnect between public reaction to Goodell being perceived as punishing a player too aggressively and Goodell being perceived as punishing a player too leniently. Goodell has now had four straight high-profile disciplinary decisions (the 2012 bounty scandal, Ray Rice’s indefinite suspension, Adrian Peterson’s suspension, and Greg Hardy’s suspension) overturned by a higher authority. And no one has ever suggested that this chronic inability to make appropriate decisions renders him in any way unfit for the job he holds.

Conversely, the failure to impose enough of a suspension on Rice nearly cost Goodell his job less than a year ago. Can he reduce Brady’s game to two games on his own, or does Goodell need to run his record to 0-5 by holding firm and forcing Brady to go to court?

Some will suggest that Hardy’s reduced penalty resulted from coordination between the league office and Henderson, a former league-office employee. But that type of coordination could result in a decidedly uncoordinated attempt by Goodell to tiptoe through the next — and perhaps most important — minefield he faces.

240 responses to “Is Hardy’s reduced suspension good news for Brady?

  1. don’t worry. ignorance of the law will in no way hamper Goodell’s ability to unfairly pick on the patriots and ignore the physics of the universe.

    Free Brady!

  2. It def is………………if there was a mandated punishment of 2 games suspension for deflating balls when Brady committed the infraction like there was with Hardy. Other than that its a completely dif. case. Hardy did something off the field and tarnished the image of the NFL- most of Hardy’s issues are in the hands of the law. What Tom did was tarnish the integrity of the game which is 100% just an issue for the NFL. The law should punish Hardy harder and the NFL should punish Brady harder

  3. It will be reduced to 2 games.

    Roger will claim victory, Brady will claim victory, and all football fans will finally stop hearing deflate-gate!

    That is the only real victory!!

  4. If anyone thinks the monarch goodell is going to reduce his own suspension then I’ve got a bridge in the desert to sell to you. #framegate

  5. Since its been proven that the Wells report is junk, and Brady isn’t even guilty, that should be all that is needed. No real comparison to the situations!

  6. It would me more surprising at this point if the NFL actually maintained a suspension length.

    What is the point of the initial suspension? Every player knows their suspension will probably get reduced or lifted, it takes the teeth out of the process.

    Brady will probably walk, thats how the NFL works… Slaps on the wrist.

  7. Hold on, Greg Hardy will miss 19 games total (this is including last year), how is Brady being suspended four games equal to nineteen?

  8. Why are people forgetting that Hardy sat for 15 games last year (even though he got paid)? Comparing Hardy’s and Brady’s punishments, regardless of Hardy sitting last year, is foolish. Two different crimes. I believe a 4-game suspension in 2015 for both is fair. We wouldn’t even be having this discussion if the incidents didn’t come to a head like this at the same time.

  9. Goody’ll just give Hardy’s old 10 gamer to Brady to placate the unwashed masses of NFL fans out there.

  10. Fine him 4 quarters. 1 quarter for each of the first 4 games.

    Even though I don’t think the balls were deflated, it’s a face saving move for the NFL.

  11. Now we know why it has taken Goodell so long to rule on Brady. He was waiting for the Hardy decision so that he could adjust Brady’s punishment accordingly. It has to be less than Hardy’s punishment.

  12. Actually lots of people have suggested that Goodell’s inability to adequately police the league make him unfit for the job. Fans split on whether or not Brady is guilty. Fans split on whether or not Brady’s punishment is fair. Fans seem to universally agree that Goodell is bad for the shield and the integrity of the game. Unfortunately he doesn’t answer fans of football. The man answers to a fraternity of drug-addled billionaire playboys whose real-life transgressions make wife-beating and allegedly letting a whiff out of a football seem like small potatoes. This fiasco isn;t going anywhere soon.

  13. Brady’s a cheater, and on top of that lied about it. His issue is not a legal matter, it speaks to the integrity of the game and he crapped all over it.

    The two issues are not equal. In a public sense what hardy may have done was far worse. In a football sense what Brady did was treason.

    Personally I think Goodell was being lenient with 4 games. If Brady had come clean I would have said 1 game suspended and 3 games loss of pay. But he continues to lie so I say let him rot for all 4 games. If had been up to me he would be sitting out 8 games.

  14. stevensd420 says:
    Jul 10, 2015 3:36 PM

    Hold on, Greg Hardy will miss 19 games total (this is including last year), how is Brady being suspended four games equal to nineteen?

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    Nope. He was exempt last season – still got paid. Nice try though.

  15. What Brady did,

    maybe being generally aware that someone (maybe) wanted to take an immeasurably small amount of air out of some footballs, but apparently didn’t,

    is obviously weighty stuff and should be punished appropriately.

    A stiff fine paid by the NFL to the Patriots would be about right.

  16. Not for Brady when Hardy is chasing him all over Cowboys Stadium, fifth game of the season…

  17. The cases have nothing to do with each other. The NFL was punishing Hardy under a policy that didn’t exist when his infraction occurred. Was cheating still illegal last year in the playoffs? Yes.

  18. Good point Steve…..
    Brady can hope it will help reduce his but Goodell probably will
    stand by the 4 games.
    Then Tom can take it the next step and take it to court.
    We will see if Beavis and Butthead are quieted like Matt Walsh was.
    Goodell is in a lose/lose situation whether Brady plays or is in streetclothes for the opener.
    Florio here would be an interesting topic/ headline for you,bet it would get 500 plus responses:
    Could Brady miss games and Goodell lose his job over Deflategate?

  19. The repeated and pervasive culture of cheating in New England should require Brady’s suspension be left at four games.

  20. You know, some of us are waiting for other rulings beyond Brady’s (Le’veon Bell’s anyone?).

  21. ZERO games out for Brady is the only acceptable resolution for this sham joke of an investigation. I can only hope the mindless fans that cry for his head one day find themselves at the wrong end of such a flimsy smear such as this.

  22. If anyone is suspended for deflategate, it should be league personell. Now that the science is understood after the joke known as the Wells report, it is clear there was no deflation.

    the real outstanding question on deflategate now is whether the wrong conclusions made in the Wells report were innocent or intentional.

    The texts are meaningless. Clearly the eff Tom attitude of “the deflator” show that Brady ripped these guys after the Jets game played with 16 psi balloons. Brady likely said “make sure the balls are at or near 12.5. If anything was done after ref inspection it was all Bevis and Butthead.

  23. I have to agree with scottbrowning2. Anyone that thinks that Goodell really cares what it’s fans think about him is kidding themselves. Goodell cares what the owners think of him. And he’s making them money hand over fist so even if *they* think he’s a twerp, he gets to keep his job. $6 billion a year is a lot of money.

  24. “I’d like to think one doesn’t have anything to do with the other.”

    Exactly, one is off-the-field domestic violence the other in-game cheating. Two different things all together.

  25. insightfulcomments says:
    Jul 10, 2015 3:46 PM

    The cases have nothing to do with each other. The NFL was punishing Hardy under a policy that didn’t exist when his infraction occurred. Was cheating still illegal last year in the playoffs? Yes.
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    Brady has been punished for something which may never have happened & there’s precisely ZERO evidence that it did happen. If he had tampered with the balls, he should have been dealt with like the Vikings and Panthers were for tampering with footballs – with a warning.

  26. Yes, why the focus on Goodell is 0-X for his suspensions not being reduced.

    It’s an expected practice.
    Player is suspended 16,000 games.
    Player appeals.
    Suspension reduced to 8,000 games.
    The shock would be when a suspension is upheld.

    System should be.
    Player suspended 8,000 games.
    Player appeals.
    If appeal is bogus and an obvious waste of time, suspension increases.
    If appeal is justified, as in has some merit worth discussing, but ultimately suspension is deemed just, it stays the same.
    If appeal shows the punishment does not fit the crime, then suspension is reduced.

    But as it stands it is silly to mention Goodell is “losing” because his suspensions get reduced.
    With the current system it is expected (in all sports BTW)

  27. If Brady feels he did nothing wrong – and looks more likely all the time that he didn’t – then he isn’t going to settle for a reduced 2 game suspension that still tarnishes his reputation.

    This thing is definitely headed to court, where the sham accusations of the AFC Championship game, and the woefully shoddy Wells Report, will be totally exposed as fraudulent

  28. Hard to compare the two when it’s still completely up in the air whether Brady or the Patriots actually did anything wrong.

    Wells tried to infer and speculate a bunch of random things to make it seem like they did, but comparing the suspensions assumes both are guilty and we still don’t know that for sure yet, and maybe never will.

  29. Agree with letsgobuffalo4 . The two cases are nearly unrelated. One is a case that took place of the field while the other is an incident that took place on the field. One had a policy in place at the time which the league ignored in the initial punishment, while the other did not.

  30. Why is no one asking for the release of the science data from exponent?

    Specifically the times inspected after the balls were exposed to 50 degree temperature

  31. bostonsportsrock says:
    Jul 10, 2015 3:33 PM

    Since its been proven that the Wells report is junk, and Brady isn’t even guilty, that should be all that is needed. No real comparison to the situations!
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    The Wells report is definitely missing pieces but I must have been in outer space when Brady was supposedly rendered “not guilty”. There is still circumstantial evidence that question his innocence.

  32. Apples and oranges. Brady and the Patriots were caught cheating (read the texts, doubters). Hardy is a dirtbag, woman beater who paid off his victim to cheat the legal system. The NFL is a private organization and if these guys don’t want to accept the rules, including the commissioners rulings, they can go get other jobs. They don’t have to play football.

  33. I’d assume they aren’t related but who knows? The evidence provided leaves me thinking an obstruction fine is the fairest penalty to Brady.

  34. The right thing for Roger to do is admit that that Exponent report is inconclusive about whether the balls were deflated for the Colts game, but there was enough circumstantial evidence to show that Brady was at least generally aware that the equipment guys were up to something at some point. One game for that and one game for lack of cooperation.

    I’m sure there will still be some suspension, but I’m not counting on Roger doing the right thing.

  35. “In a football sense what Brady did was treason.”

    Wow, exaggerate much? And its not even the right word to use. Treason is, by definition, the crime of betraying one’s country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.

    How was Brady , allegedly, trying to do any of those things?

  36. 12coltsfan12 says:
    Jul 10, 2015 3:32 PM

    110% Innocent. There was simply no air missing from the balls! Admit it!!

    -scientist & colts fan!
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    Scientists know there can’t be more than 100% innocence. Colts fan on the other hand….

  37. The 4 games suspensions do not equate. You can get $150 ticket for speeding, and you can get $150 fine for littering. The fine is the same, but it doesn’t mean the violation is. People who the suspension are for equal severity are stupid.

    The fact is, Brady’s violation was an attempt to cheat at a game and thereby affect the outcome. Hardy did nothing to warrant his suspension at all.

  38. patriotinvasion says:

    Hard to compare the two when it’s still completely up in the air whether Brady or the Patriots actually did anything wrong.

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    But the fact is, Hardy did nothing wrong. Charges dropped. Conviction overturned. No crime.

  39. Scientists know there can’t be more than 100%
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    FALSE

    Science can prove that an error can be off by 0.5% and far beyond 100%.

  40. grimreaper12 says:

    allegedly knowing about balls being deflated is far more serious than trying to kill a woman.
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    But no one involved tried to kill a woman.

  41. even as a Dolphin fan i would think this HAS to be good for Brady.

    i think the most he serves is 2. Possibly 1 or 0.
    how bad would it look if it was the same as Hardy’s?

    Look i want Brady to play all 16. If the Dolphins win that division (i know hold your laughter) i don’t want to hear any crying about Brady missing 4 games. Jets and Bills fans should feel the same way IMO.

  42. One has nothing to do with the other.

    Hardy’s incident, while a lot more serious in nature, was an off field issue.

    Brady’s incident questions his integrity as well as the integrity of the game itself.

    Brady’s suspension shouldn’t be based on Hardy’s suspension. Though the argument can be made that has been brought up many times that Goodell has a history of inconsistency when it comes to distributing punishment.

    Example:
    – Wes Welker fined $10K for making a snow angel after a TD
    – Joey Harrison being fined $7,500 for almost ruining someone’s career with a unnecessary hit to the knees.

    Before I get picked apart by Steeler fans, please note that the Steelers are my second favorite team and I like Harrison’s intensity when he plays the game. Just sometimes, he didn’t really think before acting.

  43. Some of you people are unreal.

    Let’s be clear about this: Hardy broke the law and beat a woman.

    Brady DID NOTHING WRONG. He didn’t tarnish the integrity of the game. He didn’t cheat. He simply played football. Better than any other QB last year.
    The only one who should be punished is Goodell for wasting the league’s money, wasting everyone’s time, and for making a mountain out of a mole hill.

    Why would he accept a 2 game reduction? He is innocent.

  44. Hardy was CONVICTED in court by a judge that reviewed ALL the Evidence. Hardy’s attorneys appealed to have a Jury decide. When that court date came Hardy was there but the woman he beat up was paid to not show up. That is why Hardy is not in jail right now.

    And you are going to compare Hardy with Brady as if Brady is a more serious offender?

    My God, people have lost all sense of Right & Wrong and of Justice vs Injustice.

    You have lost your SOUL America.

  45. BringBackTheFlex says:
    Jul 10, 2015 4:07 PM

    But the fact is, Hardy did nothing wrong. Charges dropped. Conviction overturned. No crime.
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    He was found guilty but it was overturned on appeal when the woman suddenly became a a world traveler and didn’t make it to court for the appeal. Where do you think she got the money from to go on so many vacations around trial time??

  46. As a colts fan since the jeff george era, i think a reduction is imminent, and deserved. The investigation was littered with holes, and a lack of evidence. The officials didnt have reliable data, and faulty equipment. Go ahead and suspend him for “not complying” only to reduce it…at this point, its not worth the effort. The more games brady plays before indy, the more chances he can get hurt.i just want to settle this game and win. And i also want better game-ball protocol. Better air measurement, psi readings documented, and all game balls being in posession of referees at all times.

  47. The cases are unrelated, other than it involves the personal conduct policy. These things should automatically go to court. It’s an illegal policy, with a single, disturbed individual making judgements. I don’t know how many cases it’s going to take but it sure is fun watching Goodell squirm.

  48. Under the logic suggested by this article, Goodell can never impose a penalty greater than 2 games in any situation because that would imply it was as bad as domestic violence.

    Obviously I think this logic is strained at best, regardless of what happens happens to Tommy.

  49. Brady should get 4 game suspension but Goodell will forgive the suspension!!! Goodell has to get on the good graces of the by GOD patsies the darlings of the NFL, JUST WATCH!!!

  50. Brady is the BEST and every other team/fan is jealous and afraid.

    This is your best chance at getting to the SB because, MAYBE, with Brady out 1 -4 games, your team wins.

  51. I don’t care what they do as long as Brady is home on his sofa for the banner ceremony. That will be the biggest punishment the NFL could give him.

  52. …and when all the dust has settled, and the NFL slinks out of court with the Wells report firmly wedged where paper of that sort belongs….. and Tom steps up to the mic and thanks his legal team, and the laws of physics for his total exoneration…. and then he steps aside to let Roger make the long awaited apology to Robert Kraft and the entire Patriots organization (Complete with $1,000,000.00 reimbursement check)…. and the NFL fan base thinks that finally… FINALLY… it`s over…..

    That is when I, and every Pats fan in creation will begin to lobby for the investigation of how this whole mess started in the first place. Who told the Colts about the balls…. who leaks the bad data to Chris Mortenson… Why, if they suspected something, did the league not stop it before it started?

    It`s not over… It`s NEVER over.

  53. Still haven’t heard one plausible explanation for the text conversation. NOT ONE. So, in my mind, until you can refute that, the suspensions stays. 4 games- should have been 10!

  54. Kraft asked Brady at the very beginning of this nonsense if he knew about this or had anything to do with it, and if he did, they would take their punishment and move on. Brady told him outright “no.” Why in the world would Brady put himself through this kind of ringer if he had really done it? Athletes have seen how these things shake out – the truth almost ALWAYS comes out. From A-Rod to Armstrong, athletes now should be savvy enough to know they need to just take their licks and move forward. Tom Brady is a very savvy and smart athlete, and I really don’t think he has the arrogance and self importance that a lot of you other fans think he does. He wouldn’t take it as far as he has if he did this.

    It’s almost surreal that people WANT to believe the worst in this man, yet downplay the behavior of Greg Hardy because it “doesn’t affect the integrity of the game” As if supporting a league where wife/woman beaters are allowed to play and participate reflects any kind of “integrity.” Unreal.

  55. Whether Brady cheated or not. He didn’t cooperate, there’s a fat guy who happens to be called the deflator, and he answered the question “Is Tom Brady a Cheater?” with ” I don’t believe so”. Brady will always be a tool either way and his memory is forever tarnished.

  56. Brady cheated
    Brady cheated

    We have no proof
    Well we have a guy called the deflator as our proof

    Oh yeah and we firmly believe it is possible to prove a negative

    But you need text messages

    Free Brady, end the sham

  57. I can’t believe the two cases are being compared. Brady deserves his for games. He earned them. The Commissioner has no reason to lower the games.

  58. Hardy broke the law away from the game, sat out 15 games last year & then 4 additional games this year in a situation that affected 1 person & is more of a issue with the law that the game. That in no way compares to Brady’s suspension of ONLY 4 games for cheating across multiple games & multiple years. Brady, more so than Hardy, should be permanently removed from the game.

  59. Godell reduced Greg Hardy suspension to 4 games who beat his girlfriend up. I can’t see him letting Brady have an equal suspension as Hardy b/c it would make The NFL look like they tolerate domestic violence and is on the same level as allegedly deflating footballs, but we will see.

  60. These are two different situations

    Hardy is guilty

    The evidence from the NFL itself on the level of football deflation actually PROVES that Brady is innocent

    What the heck is Goodell actually penalizing Brady for at this point? Refusing to provide his cellphone about something that never happened by the NFL’s own evidence and “best recollection” of its officials?

    Or perhaps refusing to “cooperate” in the NFL’s sting operation by not actually deflating footballs???

    Goodell is the one who has the most to lose here – Brady will easily get a court injunction and clear his name if Goodell doesn’t completely exonerate him

    If Goodell wants to stand by the Wells Report so be it – GoodellGate will be the next scandal as the NFL is shown to be biased in it’s approach to organizations, undermining the integrity of the game.

  61. Of course it’s good news for Brady. Actually, Hardy got lucky Brady was in suspension mode. Without him, Hardy probably would have been kept at 10 games. Now that he’s been reduced, there’s no recourse for Goodell to not reduce Brady’s suspension. It’s a question of criminal behavior versus the integrity of the game.

  62. Brady should have been suspended for at least a year, and possibly for life. Nobody should get away with blatant cheating. Goodell was more than fair for reducing the suspension to only four games. The Patriots have been caught cheating and punished multiple times. Obviously the penalties they’re receiving are not harsh enough. They should not been allowed to participate in a super bowl in which they got caught cheating to get to. I hate to criticize Goodell, but he was way too light on the penalty. The game is too important for the commissioner to practically look the other way when someone gets caught cheating in a championship game.

  63. Banned from the game? For being accused of being almost “bad” as George Brett? Sorry PED’s are a real cheating problem this, even IF true, isn’t nearly as egregious. I know the blind angst is impossibble to overcome but let’s start at least pretending to have an IQ on the north side of 75.

  64. The only good news is for Brady’s suspension be overturned completely. There is absolutely zero proof that he asked or demanded that footballs be inflated or deflated to a certain PSI. No physical evidence points to cheating. And not giving up a personal cell phone isn’t enough to find him guilty either.

    When its all said and done, the NFL and many members of the sports media better hope Brady doesn’t sue for defamation.

    No, I am not a Pats fan.

  65. Tarnished boy is the model not the example. Everyone gets 4 games. Although it should have been more in his case.

  66. jnasty5000akajungguns says:
    Jul 10, 2015 4:28 PM
    Still haven’t heard one plausible explanation for the text conversation. NOT ONE. So, in my mind, until you can refute that, the suspensions stays. 4 games- should have been 10!

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    He called himself the deflator because he deflated footballs. A neutral observer might infer that his job was getting them down to the 12.5 psi level allowed by the NFL, and preferred by Brady, before inspection. Then, when comparing this interpretation of the text message to the actual game ball measurements at halftime, which extrapolated to approximately 12.5 psi, would logically connect the two pieces of evidence. Thus, no rules were broken.

    To infer that this text means that Tom Brady asked him to wait until after the referee inspection, then run to a bathroom and quickly (and accurately) take a small fraction of a psi out of each football to make the balls illegally below the limit in order to gain a competitive advantage, is kind of absurd. Without scientific or anecdotal evidence to back up this conclusion, it does not make sense.

  67. The only thing that is comparable in these 2 situations is the fact they overlap from a timeline perspective. Brady had already began cheating when Hardy hurt his girlfriend. Other than that, these issues 2 issues have nothing in common & are each deserving of their own deserved harsh punishment. Hardy deserves the punishment he has received (15 games + 4 this year) & is paying a reasonable price for his actions. Brady on the other hand is getting off WAY TOO EASY! The NFL ONLY suspending Brady for 4 games is an insult to the fans, players & owners of all other 31 teams. His actions have affected countless games across numerous years (as stated in the text messages). Hardy had a momentary loss of reason whereas Brady made a premeditated choice to create a conspiracy to cheat & continued his activities over a long period of time, effecting an unknown number of games. Both infractions are deserving of harsh punishments. Anything less than 4 for Brady would be a total joke.

  68. Hardy was CONVICTED in court by a judge that reviewed ALL the Evidence. Hardy’s attorneys appealed to have a Jury decide. When that court date came Hardy was there but the woman he beat up was paid to not show up. That is why Hardy is not in jail right now.
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    The judge reviewed all the evidence and the defense was not able to cross examine or rebut any of the “evidence” or testimony. That is why the jury trial is automatic if the defendant doesn’t like the outcome.

    And, that judge was female AND a DV activist. After reviewing the “evidence” and hearing the testimony she was so convinced that a horrible crime was committed and Hardy almost beat this woman to death that the judge sentenced Hardy to 60 days suspended.

    Ridiculous. Also, DV cases are prosecuted with or without the “victims” testimony. There was no evidence to go to trial.

  69. What a great Super Bowl. Balls not deflated, so we can’t use that excuse. Walt Anderson doesn’t know which PSI guage was used but stated 1 gave higher and the other gave lower readings. Brett Favre didn’t turn over his cell phone during an NFL investigation and was fined $50,000. Peter King gave stats showing almost identical stats on home and away games. Important because the home team controls game balls and Brady’s fat guy didn’t travel on road games to do his “supposed” deflate scheme. What should a hater do now. I know, why did he have that nickname. Yeah Crucify Brady. No team in NFL history has ever cheated before from what I have read here. I could go on but click on my name and you will find more

  70. He was found guilty but it was overturned on appeal when the woman suddenly became a a world traveler and didn’t make it to court for the appeal. Where do you think she got the money from to go on so many vacations around trial time??

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    You need to do a little more research and not just trust sports headlines to do your thinking for you. DV cases are prosecuted with or without the victim’s testimony. The fact is, there was no evidence of this horrendous beating she took at the hands of a man twice her size. The DA look at all the evidence and immediately dropped the charges so he didn’t waste taxpayers money on a case he couldn’t win.

  71. Let’s be clear about this: Hardy broke the law and beat a woman.
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    Evidence please. The DA didn’t have any, do you?

  72. tonebones says:
    Jul 10, 2015 4:52 PM

    Brady should have been suspended for at least a year, and possibly for life. Nobody should get away with blatant cheating. Goodell was more than fair for reducing the suspension to only four games. The Patriots have been caught cheating and punished multiple times. Obviously the penalties they’re receiving are not harsh enough. They should not been allowed to participate in a super bowl in which they got caught cheating to get to. I hate to criticize Goodell, but he was way too light on the penalty. The game is too important for the commissioner to practically look the other way when someone gets caught cheating in a championship game.
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    WOW IF you are serious, I would love to know your favorite team so I can look up how they have destroyed them in the past.

  73. The rantings of those who take it for granted that the Patriots are cheaters (Evidence? I don’t need to stinkin’ evidence!) made me think back to a story I read many years ago.

    Some guys organized a race from a bar in one suburb of Boston to a bar in another suburb about 25 miles away. There were just two rules.

    Rule 1: Participants could travel by foot, roller blades, unicycle, bicycle, skate board, kayak, canoe, or any other form of transportation as long as it was not motorized.

    Rule 2: The first person to reach the finish lines was automatically disqualified … for cheating!

  74. Great, so repeat offender/batterer of Women is now equal to smoking dope. Cannot make this up.
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    You just did. If the DA had any evidence he would have charged Hardy. He did not.

  75. Brady has had the benefit of cheating since 2001…..once he retires, it will all come out just what a fraud he really was…..can’t wait to see what the Patriot fans have to say then. Ask Doug Flutie, he knows some of the truth. Ask Ernie Adams…. He knows all of it and set that genius plan up! I actually hope Brady does not get suspended. I want them caught in their next cheating scandal…. Which I’m sure is already in progress as I type this.

  76. how about 4 Colts balls falling under the minimums during the halftime measurement? how convenient they ran out of time to measure the rest. Pats balls were slightly under the min due to Ideal Gas Law – not by 2+ PSI as falsely reported yet never retracted. NFL quick though to retract false report of 4 hr appeal

    Why did Brady know exactly what pressure he was allowed to have (12.5) and tell ballboys (in a text prior to AFCCG) to bring the rule book if they had an issue?

    Besides, the so called non-cooperative action for not turning over his phone is a fine. Look up Favre texting his junk as an example – oh wait, he was a NYJ at the time so give him minimum punishment allowed.

    And per union policy, they don’t turn over personal items. With all the false leaks anyway from NFL office (run by ex-Jets BTW) I don’t blame him either.

  77. For those saying that Hardy’s & Brady’s suspensions “are the same”, I think it would be perfectly acceptable for the NFL to reduce Brady’s 4 game suspension to zero if (and only if) they then added Brady to the Commissioner’s Exempt list for the first 15 games of next season. According to your (flawed) perceptions, that would mean Brady wasn’t punished. That would be fine, wouldn’t it Patriot fans?!

    Brady deserves a full season suspension, as does Belicheat!!

  78. letsgobuffalo4 says:
    Jul 10, 2015 3:30 PM
    It def is………………if there was a mandated punishment of 2 games suspension for deflating balls when Brady committed the infraction like there was with Hardy. Other than that its a completely dif. case. Hardy did something off the field and tarnished the image of the NFL- most of Hardy’s issues are in the hands of the law. What Tom did was tarnish the integrity of the game which is 100% just an issue for the NFL. The law should punish Hardy harder and the NFL should punish Brady harder

    I take it you have failed to read anything including the FULL text messages that where taken out of context and occurred in the offseason. There is no sign of guilt in any of the reports the NFL is crying over Tom not handing over his PERSONAL phone and email. He has no right to give that info to the NFL . This is clearly a old Jets and cry baby Colts issue in the NFL offices. He should be exonerated of everything it’s s joke that the refs didn’t know they should be watching got this that alone screams of a sore loser with a personal agenda

  79. It amazes me how many pathetic Bills fans that post on Patriot’s stories. Losing 4 Super Bowls in a row really has left a mark. Yes, nobody ever tried to steal signals in NFL history haters, only the Patriots. That is why it is called crygate.

  80. It is good news for Brady*! Because when Hardy comes back and is sacking Matt Flynn or Garapolo he won’t even have to be in the stadium to watch it!

  81. Former NFL QBs have come out and said NOTHING happens to the balls without the QBs full knowledge. Brady is guilty. He got off easy. And instead of taking his slap on the wrist medicine he does what he does best — whine and posture. This dog and pony show has gone on long enough. Put the hammer down and move on already.

    (The bigger question is: What will happen to all these bandwagon Patriots fans once Brady is finally done and their team returns to the relative obscurity it earned for so many decades prior to these two cheaters arriving?)

  82. We all want a lawsuit – Tom Brady v. Goodell & NFL. It would be outstanding. The first thing it would do would be to delay any suspension and then see Brady go after Goodell. This has to happen.

  83. Hardy is an idiot but he served 19 games and didn’t cheat at football.

    Brady however is a deceptive cheater who has been breaking a documented rule for who-knows-how-long?
    One can argue that the most important tenants of the game is PROTECTING THE FOOTBALL. Brady cheated by tampering with the most important aspect of the game – the football. You Patriot fans who defend this are either willingly ignorant and equally unethical, or just paid shills from an online reputation management firm that has been hired by Kraft Corp ™.
    Either way, enjoy the Garoppolo era.

    Brady’s image has been forever tainted by cheating against his opponents – the highest offence.

  84. I am a Patriots fan and I believe that Brady should be punished IF and only IF it can be proven that the footballs were tampered with.

    The Wells report jumped through numerous hoops and ignored contrary evidence to conclude it was more likely than not that the equipment guy let some air out of the footballs in the 100 seconds he was in the bathroom and Brady was involved.

    The wells report concluded this weak conclusion of guilt despite:

    – The Intercepted ball was gauged by the Colts 3 times and found to be not deflated and in the range of the ideal gas law.

    – The ref said per his best recollection he used the Logo gauge, Wells report said he didn’t.

    – Only four Colts footballs were gauged at halftime but the Wells report admits they ran out of time. The Wells report also said the Colts footballs were gauged right after the Patriots footballs, before they had a chance to warm up. The change in deflation from the Patriots footballs vs the Colts Footballs is greatly impacted by when the footballs are gauged. Common sense says that the only way there was not enough time was if the Colts footballs were gauged at the end of the half – when they were warmer and had less PSI loss than the Patriots footballs.

    – If there was actual air loss it was no where near 2 lbs PSI as had been reported and it is not even clear in the report how much the footballs could have been deflated because it was so little – a fraction of 1 PSI – MAYBE.

    – AEI could not replicate the results in the Wells report by using their methods. If AEI is correct, the science in the Wells report is either fraudulent or the testing was incompetent. I have seen one source saying AEI is wrong BUT they agreed that the Wells report science cannot be relied upon. Other than the firm billing $5 million for the report, where is the INDEPENDENT confirmation of the accuracy of the Wells report.

    So with all these open issues I think it is fair to say that it is very likely that no tampering occurred. So why should Brady be punished, his legacy tainted and bforced to become the butt of jokes? Brady needs to be completely exonerated and if Goodell/Wells got it wrong, they need to take responsibility for their actions like every other NFL player who is punished.

  85. jnasty5000akajungguns says:
    Jul 10, 2015 4:28 PM

    Still haven’t heard one plausible explanation for the text conversation. NOT ONE. So, in my mind, until you can refute that, the suspensions stays. 4 games- should have been 10!
    —————-

    There will never be an explanation, because the texts weren’t a conversation. They strung together a bunch of texts that had occurred over a long period of time, and tried to make people think that it was a single conversation. Congratulations for falling for it.

  86. Brady is holding up five in that pic. Tack a game on for acting like an arrogant buffoon over this whole deal.

  87. I fully agree Brady should have been suspended 1 season. He knows that his major mistakes were that he equated his misdeeds and thought he would receive the same punishments. But even he knows he got off lucky.

  88. The Hardy ruling called out precedent as the basis of decision.

    I do not believe Brady tampered himself or ordered the tampering of footballs and neither do objective and intelligent football fans… But even if he did… the precedent of a penalty was set by the penalties to the Vikings. Which was absolutely nothing.

    Therefore… based on today’s decision that must be the precedent for this as well.

    I’m sure a judge will be happy to make note of that when Brady’s lawsuit is filed and the suspension is thrown in the trash can where it always belonged.

    🙂
    🙂

  89. Brady deserves a full season suspension, as does Belicheat!!


    Sincerely,

    A fan of a team who isn’t and never will be good enough to beat them fair and square on the football field so I want to see my team play the Patriots without them

    🙂

  90. Deflategate has ruined my appreciation of sports related news. The biggest loser in this whole mess is the fans. We won’t stop hearing about deflategate. Ever. It’ll die down a little after this next season is over, but it’ll never fully go away. And it’s such a non issue. It had no bearing on the Superbowl! It had no bearing on that “game” the Colts played against the Pats. And it will have no bearing on next season, but it’ll be all anyone talks about until a bigger story replaces it.

    Greg Hardy will serve much more time away from football than just 4 games. So the whole premise of this “article” is bogus. #EnoughAboutDeflategate!

  91. (The bigger question is: What will happen to all these bandwagon Patriots fans once Brady is finally done and their team returns to the relative obscurity it earned for so many decades prior to these two cheaters arriving?)

    Gotta love Raven ‘fans’. The historic Colts skipped town in the middle of the night because the city wouldn’t build a stadium, and got another mercenary team(Browns) because their city wouldn’t build a stadium. Now they build statues and defend criminals as ‘charm city’ almost gets burned down. Bandwagon fans? LOL.

  92. limakey says: Jul 10, 2015 5:40 PM

    I fully agree Brady should have been suspended 1 season.


    Sincerely,

    A fan who is extremely frustrated that my team can never beat Brady because they can’t be bothered putting in the work and effort to do so, so I hope the league helps us beat them by keeping Brady off the field

    🙂

  93. citizenstrange says: Jul 10, 2015 3:39 PM

    Well, if you add in the 15 games Hardy was suspended for last year it is really 19 games

    —-
    He was on the exempt list and got paid while there. That is not a suspension.

    🙂

  94. @ trollaikman8 says: Jul 10, 2015 5:34 PM

    “You Patriot fans who defend this are either willingly ignorant and equally unethical, or just paid shills from an online reputation management firm that has been hired by Kraft Corp ™.”
    _________________________________

    Writer hits the nail dead center…great input trollaikman8!

  95. I love the picture of Brady holding up five fingers to represent that he is going for SUPERBOWL VICRORY RING #5

    Ring 5 for SB50

  96. “We will see if Beavis and Butthead are quieted like Matt Walsh was.”
    ====================================
    Matt Walsh is a fraud – a disgruntled former employee who tried to gain some fame and a quick buck.

    If this case goes to court, “Beavis and Butthead” will not be testifying as the case will be based on what evidence the NFL claims to have had on hand when it made it’s decision to suspend Brady and deny his appeal. This amounts to the Wells’ report and all it’s flaws and Brady’s refusal to turn over his private cell phone.

  97. “The repeated and pervasive culture of cheating in New England …”

    ——————————————-

    Can anybody come up with even MORE creative descriptives to describe how the Patriots are awful cheaters?

    “repeated and pervasive culture of cheating”

    ROFL … Now I’ve heard it all!

  98. The DA look at all the evidence and immediately dropped the charges so he didn’t waste taxpayers money on a case he couldn’t win.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The DA never dropped the case.

    Hardy lost the case at bench level and appealed to a Jury. The DA accepted and took Hardy to court. Hardy PAID the woman to not show up and testify against him so the DA, at that point, dropped the case.

    And YES, there is evidence that he beat a woman.

    Get ALL the FACTS before you blabber.

  99. ROFL … Now I’ve heard it all!

    LOL! It’s like poetry!

    Such eloquence from Patriot Hater’s emotions! 🙂

  100. Funny how pats fans are all over the comments in the “cheating” articles. Must be because they have a lot of experience and knowledge from worshipping perennial CHEATERS!

  101. “aljack88 says:
    Jul 10, 2015 6:05 PM
    “We will see if Beavis and Butthead are quieted like Matt Walsh was.”
    ====================================
    Matt Walsh is a fraud – a disgruntled former employee who tried to gain some fame and a quick buck.

    If this case goes to court, “Beavis and Butthead” will not be testifying as the case will be based on what evidence the NFL claims to have had on hand when it made it’s decision to suspend Brady and deny his appeal. ”

    REALLY? The 2 people who sent all those text messages, and the patriots refused a SECOND interview with, won’t even be testifying? PATS fans are truly delusional.

  102. The Wells report is definitely missing pieces but I must have been in outer space when Brady was supposedly rendered “not guilty”. There is still circumstantial evidence that question his innocence.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    We the People, are ALL rendered INNOCENT when there is no evidence to prove us guilty.

    The NFL is obligated to have a enough evidence to at least pass the 50/50 guessing game. Fact is they don’t even come close to the false guilty opinion of Well$.

    Please get yourself a brain, wind it up and use it.

  103. Troll, I think most Pat fans refuse to acknowledge what the Wells Report did prove. Which is Brady did prefer under inflated balls. He knew the total process and knew if he did get caught, the flaws in the system could never 100 percent prove it.

  104. Did I say “False” opinion of Well$ ?

    I’m sorry.

    I meant “PAID” for opinion of Well$.

  105. Goodell could do the remarkable, admit the deflategate investigation was impossibly flawed and state how things will go in the future, thus letting everyone off the hook (including Wells and every other NFL suit who doesn’t want his cell phone and computer hard drive subpoenaed).

    It would be a graceful and elegant solution, and so one Goodell certainly will not do.

  106. Which is Brady did prefer under inflated balls.


    Except there is no tangible documentation, no quote, no proof, not a quote anywhere from anyone who says Tom Brady prefers throwing underinflated footballs. 🙂

    Other than of course from the minds of Patriot Hater who wants that to be the case.

    I know Patriot Hater likes to make up stories and fairy tales because they live in fantasy world. Us intelligent fans of the World Champion Patriots prefer only the truth and the facts.

    #FactsAreFacts
    #TruthIsTruth
    #TruthHurts
    #PatriotHaterCantHandleTheTruth
    #WellTheyCant

  107. I wonder what the excuses and spin will be from Patriot Hater will be when Brady starts game 1. 🙂 I can’t WAIT to find out. 🙂

    Hope they have plenty of tissues for the occasion!

  108. I love the picture of Brady holding up five fingers to represent that he is going for SUPERBOWL VICRORY RING #5


    And once he gets it… and he will…that is his record to own forever.

    Nobody…AND I MEAN NOBODY… is getting 5 rings as a starting quarterback again in our lifetimes. Ever.

    EVER.

    Patriot Hater should feel honored and priviledged to witness such greatness, such a paragon of excellence in their lifetime. Don’t hate. Appreciate! 🙂

  109. The Wells Report is not impossibly flawed. It was very clear and supported their conclusion. What is amusing is that some fans think that testing for the deliberate deflation of footballs should be compared to DNA testing. This is the first time such testing has been done. And all the other reports or experts “debunking” the Wells Report have been debunked and we’re not used by Brady.

  110. .
    @limakeys

    You’ve got to be the worst paid poster I’ve ever read. Your latest version of events :

    ” Patriots fans refuse to acknowledge what the Wells Report did prove. Which is Brady preferred under inflated balls. ”

    So, Goodell spent 5 million dollars to find out Brady’s preferences? Tell your pal Roger, that I’ll let him know that Aaron Rogers prefers his balls to be slightly over inflated for half the price.
    .

  111. hehateme2 says:
    Jul 10, 2015 5:00 PM

    I’ve never read such delusional excuses from any fanbase. Ever.

    It’s disturbing on many levels.
    ~~~~~~~~~~
    I’ve never read such delusional rants from haters of any fan base. Ever.

    It’s disturbing on many levels.

  112. Tee hee 🙂

    To think Patriot Hater ACTUALLY BELIEVES their team is good enough to belong on the same field as the World Champion Patriots!

    Ha ha HAAAAAAAW. Poor deluded souls…. 🙂

  113. “STILLlolatpatshaters says:
    Jul 10, 2015 7:27 PM
    Tee hee :)”

    Man. you live on this PFT discussion board don’t you? Get some fresh air.

  114. helmetcatch says: Jul 10, 2015 7:36 PM

    “STILLlolatpatshaters says:
    Jul 10, 2015 7:27 PM
    Tee hee :)”

    Man. you live on this PFT discussion board don’t you? Get some fresh air.

    —-
    NAH ITS TOO MUCH FUN HERE WHY WOULD I LEAVE? 🙂

  115. The DA look at all the evidence and immediately dropped the charges so he didn’t waste taxpayers money on a case he couldn’t win.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The DA never dropped the case.

    Hardy lost the case at bench level and appealed to a Jury. The DA accepted and took Hardy to court. Hardy PAID the woman to not show up and testify against him so the DA, at that point, dropped the case.

    And YES, there is evidence that he beat a woman.

    Get ALL the FACTS before you blabbe
    =======================================
    You Clown the DA did drop the case ” YOU GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT ‘ if there was enough evidence to DA or the state won’t need her to testify he could’ve used the transcripts from the bench trial, but because the DA had his doubts of winning a jury trial he drop the charges, how Henderson read her report to police and her trial transcripts and saw what the DA saw her not being believable, But we need to move on .

  116. Brady’s denials and Pats fans support are earily similar to Bill Clinton’s denial of a relationship with Lewinsky and Dems blindly choosing to ignore the irrefutable evidence. Everyone eventually had to accept the truth in that case and the same thing will happen here.

  117. limakey says:
    Jul 10, 2015 4:38 PM
    I can’t believe the two cases are being compared. Brady deserves his for games. He earned them. The Commissioner has no reason to lower the games.
    ———————————
    Of course he has reason, the footballs were never deflated as science has proven. The only thing you can nail Brady on is cooperation and the league has already set presidence for that and it’s a $50,000 fine as Favre received. Brady won’t sit 1 game.

  118. gbrooks88 says:
    Jul 10, 2015 7:52 PM
    if there was enough evidence to DA or the state won’t need her to testify
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I see you are still BABBLING on& on.

    The DA was ready to prosecute until the KEY WITNESS decide to ‘NOT SHOW UP’

    Hardy was ALLREADY CONVICTED on EVIDENCE – Not Hearsay.

    Hardy won the Appeal as the Key Witness Refused to Testify against him.

    Anyone with a basic understanding of these facts realize WHY the DA dropped the case – except for you the Babbler.

  119. Gary Tanguay- Comcast Sports Net

    What a Disgrace

    I’m going to throw up in my mouth. I am so ashamed to be a fan of the National Football League.

    Greg Hardy — a despicable human being — just had his 10-game suspension, for beating a woman, reduced to four on appeal.

    Yes, four games. Just like Tom Brady received for allegedly ordering that air be released from footballs. (I’ll get to Brady in a minute.)

    In the name of humanity, how can the NFL reduce — by more than half! — the suspension of a man who, according to police reports, slammed his ex-girlfriend on pile of automatic weapons that were spread across a bed? The only reason he avoided jail time was because the victim didn’t show up in court.

    Hardy should be locked up, along with Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson, but, due to the legal system, they’re not. At the very least, they should not be allowed to play in the NFL. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is a complete scum-bag for giving Hardy a job. The same can be said for Vikings owner Ziggy Wilf with Peterson. My word, is there no decency in the world?

    Now, to Brady. One would think his suspension will be reduced to at least two games based on the Hardy decision. But two games? In other words, pounding on a woman is only twice as bad as (allegedly) letting some air out of the footballs?

    No.

    Based on this decision, BRADY’S suspension should be reduced to ZERO. If not, it means Roger Goodell feels physical assaulting a woman is the same as low PSI.

    This is a bad day for the NFL. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but actions like this will be the demise of this league.

    WOW !!!!!!

  120. @limakeys

    ” Patriots fans refuse to acknowledge what the Wells Report did prove. Which is Brady preferred under inflated balls. ”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Wrong Again.

    The texts show that:
    #1.) Brady requested the footballs to be 12.5 – 13.0 psi = Rule 17 Legal

    #2.) The Refs had OVERINFLATED the footballs to as high as 16.0 psi = ILLEGAL Tampering with NFL Footballs by Refs

    #3.) If the FBI were to investigate this, Goodell & the League would be facing serious Corruption Charges.

  121. Nepatriot, The balls were deflated. Brady was not candid, which means he lied and he did not fully cooperate, after given extraordinary means of private protection regarding all electronic communications. And you can’t compare Brady and Brett. Two totally separate issues.

  122. Poor poor Patriot Hater 🙂

    It is SO true that denial isn’t just a river in Egypt!

  123. To anyone suggesting that Greg Hardy missed 19 games, well true, you’re forgetting the fact that he was still paid for all 16 of the Panthers games last year. So, in essence, Brady, if the suspension stands at four games, will be docked 2.5 mill about, well Hardy will actually have made his entire salary from a year ago, plus will get a bump from the Cowboys if he can stay healthy for playing in 10 plus games. Kind of sad that throwing your ex girlfriend on a bed with all your ARs resting on it and threatening to kill her and body slamming her into a bathtub is even on the same level as a supposed infraction that can’t even be proven because the lead investigator decided to pick and chose what the head refs best recollection was. Sad and disturbing!!!

  124. Oh man, Limakey,

    I go out of the office for an afternoon, come back and found you have binge commenting all afternoon. Geeze, Lima, I’m sorry.
    Let me help you here. We have gone past the issue of the validity of the Wells report. Other than negotiating how much of a refund Well’s is going to issue for that turkey, that thing has gone bye bye.
    The texts too Lima, the boys at Wells have already acknowledged that the time frame of the disparate messages were so far apart, they have to refer to their respective date measured in lightyears. Just not a relevant thread. Yes the boys are getting their hands slapped for bypassing the normal protocols for requesting signed stuff. But that is minor. And you cant penalize Brady for doing what all fans ask of him, to sign some stuff.
    Anyway, please Limakey, I see this issue upsets you. But it will all be ok. They will get rid of Goodell soon and the league will be fun again.
    In fact, its still not to late to switch teams over to the Patriots. You’ll get to watch Brady play under center opening night all the way through winning the SuperBowl and Brady winning the MVP. Come on Limakey, you know you want to.

  125. You want an explanation for the texts? How about out of context.

    You know why they just refer to the same text message over and over, because it was the only one they could find that could be made to look bad.

  126. ” It still won’t be easy to do; ideally, Goodell needs to find a way to shorten the suspension without undermining the multi-million-dollar efforts of Ted Wells, the man Goodell hired to spend multiple millions of dollars investigating #DeflateGate.”

    Are you delusional?

    He paid the guy’s firm $5MM +. He owes him nothing. Wells threw a turd into the punch bowl with a report that a novice can tear to pieces.

    All Goodell has to do is say that on further review the “more probable than not” standard was not met. We apologize to the Patriots, Bob Kraft, and Tom Brady. That said, we reiterate that that the NFL acted in good faith throughout this process and we believe this resolution is in the best interest of all concerned parties.

    Only the yahoos would object.

  127. “limakey says:
    Jul 10, 2015 8:53 PM
    Nepatriot, The balls were deflated. Brady was not candid, which means he lied and he did not fully cooperate, after given extraordinary means of private protection regarding all electronic communications. And you can’t compare Brady and Brett. Two totally separate issues.”

    Can you prove that the balls were deflated beyond the level that the ideal gas law dictates would happen? Because I can prove the opposite. Can you prove that Brady lied or did not fully cooperate? Because the Wells report itself says that Brady cooperated fully.

    Must be nice to be so naive that you believe something despite facts to the contrary.

  128. limakey says:
    Jul 10, 2015 8:53 PM
    Nepatriot, The balls were deflated. Brady was not candid, which means he lied and he did not fully cooperate, after given extraordinary means of private protection regarding all electronic communications. And you can’t compare Brady and Brett. Two totally separate issues.
    ————————-
    Limakey, no they were not deflated beyond science of a cold wet day. Don’t neglect that the Colts balls were also under inflated. The science bares this out and Goodell has to vacate the suspension or a court will, there’s no getting around it prepare to wipe your hater tears.

  129. kev86 says:
    Jul 10, 2015 10:06 PM
    Pats fans like to think all other fans are “haters”. Crybabies.
    —————-
    Pats fans know that other fans are so blind with jealousy and hatred that even when you’re shown the science you won’t acknowledge the truth, that this is a sham. I suspect that you’re one of those climate denier tools, no matter how much evidence you’re shown you can’t face facts. Pats=innocent.

  130. Limakey, the Patriots own so much realestate in your head you can’t think straight. I don’t know what fraud team you support but we in New England appreciate all the attention you pay to us.

  131. Many of you say ther was no policy in place for Brady but there was for Hardy. That’s not true. The policy in place called for a $25,000 fine. Last year when there were ball violations in two games, the league warned the teams to stop.

  132. Is deflating some footballs worse than beating women? I think not, and Brady should be allowed to play in the season opener.

  133. Tom cheated? How? when? What are you talking about? Tom,himself, has done nothing and has never been found guilty of doing anything wrong,so I don’t follow you at all.Frankly if he is suspended,first game is at Gillette,I would show solidarity and NOT take the field.Take the forfeit.Cost? Millions! and the media would have 3 hrs. of NO FOOTBALL GAME! The Patriots will win the East again anyway,so who cares?

  134. “kev86 says:
    Jul 10, 2015 10:06 PM
    Pats fans like to think all other fans are “haters”. Crybabies.”

    If you take the time to voice your opinion on deflategate without knowing all of the relevant information, you are a hater. Anyone that has read and absorbed all of the information here knows it is a joke. The science proves there was no deflation but how could a football lose air pressure without someone sticking a needle in it? The science proves there was no deflation, but because a guy called himself the deflator once 8 months prior to the investigation then they must be guilty? The science proves there was no deflation, but the guy went to the bathroom with the balls so he must have been deflating the footballs that were not deflated? The science proves there was no deflation, but Brady didn’t turn over his cell phone so he must have been involved in a scheme to deflate footballs that were not deflated?

    Do you see yet why you an IQ under 75 is necessary to believe this sham?

  135. i am a brady hater. he blows cause he is so good. but how in the hell do you even place BRADY in the same sentence with Hardy who had over 84 counts of battery and sexual assautl against him? SO since deflating a ball is NO WEAR NEAR AS BAD AS RAPING AND BEATING A WOMAN — which gets a 4 game suspension yall think Brady should get off Casey anthony FREE? why not add more personalities that have NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS HALL OF FAMER GREAT QB. who still blows. all yall are pathetic. way to go NFL to show the value of a woman. oh I am sorry the chic never made it to court—wonder how much she got paid. She is worhtless, for all the women she could of stood up for. No body got caught so it never happened…..ok. Play on and keep being a wonderful role model for children. thank you NFL.

  136. Poor old Roger, players do wrong and he gets as much flack as they do. Dammed if he does dammed if he dosnt I guess it comes with the job and the money. Regarding the Brady suspension I beleive the evidence is at best sketchy regarding the Colts game but what I think Wells found out was that some form of deflation of game balls and nothing to do with attempted weight loss has been occurring at the Patriots for sometime as the correspondence between the ball guy and equipment guy suggested and at the heart of this is Brady for obvious reasons. That said I beleive Bradys suspension is a tad harsh allied with the other punishments the Patriots have been dealt. One game for deflation and one game for lack of cooperation.

  137. Still have yet to get a decent answer when comparing the situations to the Vikings and Panthers. Brady may or may not have known balls were being tampered with and gets a 4 game suspension.

    Vikings and Panthers are both caught attempting to alter the footballs to increase or decrease pressure levels and they get warnings?

    So to sum it up, Brady more probably than not knew about practices attempting to adjust the pressure of footballs and gets 4 games…. Two organizations get caught doing so for sure and get nothing.

    Let’s pretend for a second that Brady actually did knowingly call for air to be let out, why is it that he was not warned as the other teams were??? If we’re talking about precedent here, doesn’t seem to add up.

    Just like one person to come on here and please logically explain this situation without bringing up Spygate.

  138. There is no comparison in the two cases. Hardy put a single person in jeopardy outside of the game, had to deal with the criminal aspect of the law, and that went in his favor due to some loopholes. His suspension is complementary to his off field behavior. I don’t think he should have gotten down to four games, but that’s me. Brady on the other hand, undermined the entire game, mocking the integrity of it for all and seems to have lied about it. There is no criminal law issue to address. So his punishment is only related to what he did to the game…which must be harshly punished. 4 games is more than fair. Brady should be happy with that…other QBs would probably have gotten six, and perhaps even cut from the team.

  139. “Pats fans like to think all other fans are “haters”. Crybabies.”

    You are right about one thin, “Pats fans like to think”. Amazing how many people in the NFL offices, the media and fans in general don’t.

  140. How this guy has a job is beyond me. He doesn’t rule with an even hand and everything he does is knee jerk and from a PR standpoint instead from a rational logic based perspective. No tact and hasn’t a clue on how to handle a crisis. To think he was once a lawyer is just mind jarring. This guy should of been topped awhile ago.

  141. How this guy has this job is beyond me….To think he was once a lawyer is just mind jarring….
    Goodell has not practiced as an attorney, and does not have a law degree.

    But it is mind jarring that he still has his current job. Even more mind jarring to me that the owner of my favorite team, the Pats, apparently still supports Goodell.

  142. Are you kidding me? This is little Tommy Brady.. he’ll end up with what I always thought he’d get ZERO game suspension…

    The NFL is a joke.. and it’s hypocritical….

  143. The funniest part of the whole offseason has been reading the ranting of delusional Pats fans. Apparently, a team that has won one SB in ten years is the bestest ever and forever and everybody’s just jealous and the QB who has never been able to accurately throw intermediate or long passes is the bestest ever and forever and everybody should apologize and the Pats are gonna SUE everybody anyway!!!! (ahem) BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

  144. You’re right it is hypocritical, Brady 4 games/Favre $50,000. No justice, on top of that 4 games for a rapist and abuser/4 games for an unproven allegation of intentionally releasing .3psi out of a football. Hypocritical and way off base.

  145. I wonder if a SB MVP will ever have this kind a negative attention during an off-season ever again? Sure Tom appreciates the support his fans give him posting messages on internet articles. Bet he loves that -on PFT site alone -he has thousands of posts defending him but on same hand must hate that he is in the middle of an embarrassing situation that has thousands of posts.And having that “Free Brady” rally at Gillette Stadium where 50 fans showed up gave him a warm,fuzzy feeling too I am sure.
    Free Brady camp will either get to take the angle of ” see I told you so” if it gets reduced to zero games, or I read above something like: ” even if he did “😊 have a role in this ,the precedent was set by Minnesota and Carolina who apparently also had ball boys bounce into a bathroom unsupervised with game balls and “use urinal on the left”.

  146. DID NOTHING WRONG?
    What Brady did was a tarnish to the game itself.
    No excuse for cheating the system repeatedly
    Brady should have gotten at least a 4 game suspension
    Brady has had the benefit of cheating since 2001
    When Belacheat is gone so will be their winning football hopes

  147. ravfans says:
    Jul 11, 2015 9:24 AM
    DID NOTHING WRONG?
    What Brady did was a tarnish to the game itself.
    No excuse for cheating the system repeatedly
    Brady should have gotten at least a 4 game suspension
    Brady has had the benefit of cheating since 2001
    When Belacheat is gone so will be their winning football hopes
    ———————–
    The science proves otherwise. Since the balls weren’t deflated what exactly has Brady tarnished. A Ravens fan is whinning about tarnishing the NFL? I’ve heard it all now.

  148. What’s this Patriot Hater? You STILL THINK YOUR SORRY TEAM IS AT OUR LEVEL??????

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  149. solo681 says:
    Jul 10, 2015 6:28 PM

    The NFL is obligated to have a enough evidence to at least pass the 50/50 guessing game. Fact is they don’t even come close to the false guilty opinion of Well$.
    ________________________________________

    The Wells Report not only lacks credible evidence to support it’s conclusion, it also shows little or no understanding of the mathematics involved in probability theory.

    When dealing with two separate events, determining the probability of both is determined by multiplying the probability of the first times the probability of the second. For example, what is the probability that a coin that is flipped twice will come up heads both times? Since the probability of heads is 50%, to determine the probability of both it is necessary to multiply 50% times 50%. The result is 25%, and that is the probability of getting heads two times.

    With regard to deflategate, two things must be true for Brady to be guilty (if being “generally aware” of something is even a rules violation to begin with). The ball attendants must have deflated the footballs, and Brady must have been aware of this happening.

    The Wells report doesn’t quantify how probable it was that these two events occurred. So, let’s say it is twice as likely as not that the attendants deflated the footballs and it is twice as likely as not that Brady was aware of this. Assuming these very high probabilities, the next step is to multiply 66.67% times 66.67%. This yields a product of 44.45%. So, the probability of the balls being deflated and Brady being aware of this is less than 45%. In other words, it is “more improbable than not” that Brady is guilty.

    Why does the Wells Report fail to perform the math required when dealing with probabilities? Could it be because it would undermine the report’s conclusion? I sure don’t know. But regardless of the reason why, the failure to do the essential math represents one more fatal flaw in the report.

  150. bucsorbust says:
    Jul 11, 2015 5:22 AM
    There is no comparison in the two cases.

    You should have stopped after one sentence. You were fine up to that point.

    You should also stop being a fan of Warren Sapp.

  151. letmefeelyourlove says:
    Jul 11, 2015 10:22 AM
    So, the probability of the balls being deflated and Brady being aware of this is less than 45%. In other words, it is “more improbable than not” that Brady is guilty.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Less then 45% would equate to Brady being “MOST PROBABLY = NOT GUILTY”.

    I think you worded the end result wrong?

  152. Anyone that believes Brady is Guilty is just a jealous loser without a Brain to comprehend rational thought?

    In my opinion Goodell has 2 choices, vacate the suspending completely or uphold the 4 games. If he vacates we’ll all know that he has come to his senses and wants to end this farce of an investigation now. If he chooses to uphold, it will confirm to the masses what an idiot he really is. Then Brady and NFLPA will be granted an injunction in court and Brady will not miss any games. We all know once this gets to court the NFL will lose.

  153. I’m just waiting for the Lifetime movie about a guy who ends up losing a $40 million a year job because he couldn’t admit 1 psi of air naturally came out of some footballs. I’d swear the human race was a cosmic joke if I wasn’t stuck smack dab in the middle of this mess. And poor Tom Brady, a god amongst mortals, has to put up with you swine. #wereontooblivion

  154. Nobody…AND I MEAN NOBODY… is getting 5 rings as a starting quarterback again in our lifetimes. Ever.
    ===============

    And to think, he’d still have to win 2 more Pro Football Championships to equal Otto Graham.

  155. It will be good for Goodell if Brady settles for less than four game suspension. Brady wants full exoneration. He did not testify under oath for less than that. He put his freedom on the line. That says a lot about his conscience and intention.

  156. People forget and the NFL that Favre would NOT hand over his cell and he ONLY got fined 25,000 dollars for his incident with a woman. So why is Brady not getting the same? Brady also did not have same self admitted drug and alcohol as Favre. It’s understandable how Brady feels, is it not?

  157. pastabelly says:
    Jul 10, 2015 5:34 PM
    We all want a lawsuit – Tom Brady v. Goodell & NFL. It would be outstanding. The first thing it would do would be to delay any suspension and then see Brady go after Goodell. This has to happen.
    ==============

    Yes, and the other thing it would do is open up the Patriots to DISCOVERY in public records. I’m sure Belichick wants that as much as “we all want a lawsuit”.

  158. BringBackTheFlex says:
    Jul 11, 2015 12:19 PM
    Nobody…AND I MEAN NOBODY… is getting 5 rings as a starting quarterback again in our lifetimes. Ever.
    ===============

    And to think, he’d still have to win 2 more Pro Football Championships to equal Otto Graham.

    ——————————————————-
    Graham has 3 NFL championships.

    The other 3 were from the pre-merger AAFC where there was only 6 other teams in that league at the time.

    Apples and oranges 🙂

  159. Graham has 3 NFL championships.

    The other 3 were from the pre-merger AAFC where there was only 6 other teams in that league at the time.

    Apples and oranges 🙂
    ========================
    No, it’s not. The AAFC merged with the NFL and Graham just continued winning championships. 10 straight years to Championship games, 7 Championships.

    He won them with the Browns in the AAFC and he won them with the Browns in the NFL. Hardly apples and oranges. The teams were merged intact.

  160. First off, big Patriots fan here. Of course just like many people, yes mostly patriots fans, think the punishment is way over the top as it relates to other disciplinary offences committed by other players. But, I don’t see his suspension changing. Here’s why. Goddell has messed up bad in handling in the other major suspensions and team owners are looking at him hard tight now to “get this right” in their opinions. If Goddell reduces Brady’s suspension, he will have to answer to all the owners and public opinion of course. Unless Brady and his legal team have brought more information, I just don’t see things changing even a little bit. It shouldn’t be that way, but that’s just how I see it. Not much doubt this is going to court.

  161. Absolutely nothing to do with one another!
    In addition scumbag missed all but 1 game last season making it 19 games.
    Tom is part of an organisation that just doesn’t respect rules and keep getting caught. A reduction would not teach anything and the Pats will continue to disrespect the league.

  162. Yes, and the other thing it would do is open up the Patriots to DISCOVERY in public records.


    People love to say that but in fact it would do no such thing. 🙂 Not an appeal of Goodell’s decision anyway.

    The investigation is complete. Wells wrote his report and that’s what they have. Case closed. The court will not have the case re-investigated hearing an appeal of Goodell’s decision.

    Where they MIGHT want Brady’s phone is if Brady and Kessler decides to launch a defamation suit instead which is very possible. That is an entirely different case. And that is where Kessler and Team Brady would no doubt request discovery on the communications between Wells, the league front office, the Ravens staff and the Colts staff.

    And I suspect what they find won’t be pretty. It really is in the best interest of the league that it doesn’t go that far.

    🙂

  163. Tom made the mistake of thinking he would get the same punishment as Brett. Two totally different set of circumstances.

  164. In order to make Brady’s punishment 2 games less than Hardy… all the NFL has to do is make Brady miss 15 games with pay and then miss 2 games without pay.

    Presto! Two games less than Hardy.

  165. asthmafield says:
    Jul 12, 2015 11:56 AM
    In order to make Brady’s punishment 2 games less than Hardy… all the NFL has to do is make Brady miss 15 games with pay and then miss 2 games without pay.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I.Q. TEST #1.) Which NFL Player below did NOT assault a woman or child:

    A.) Ray Rice
    B.) Adrian Peterson
    C.) Greg Hardy
    D.) Tom Brady

  166. solo681 says:
    Jul 12, 2015 3:26 PM
    asthmafield says:
    Jul 12, 2015 11:56 AM
    In order to make Brady’s punishment 2 games less than Hardy… all the NFL has to do is make Brady miss 15 games with pay and then miss 2 games without pay.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I.Q. TEST #1.) Which NFL Player below did NOT assault a woman or child:

    A.) Ray Rice
    B.) Adrian Peterson
    C.) Greg Hardy
    D.) Tom Brady
    =====================

    Which player did NOT insult a woman or a child… but instead assaulted the integrity of the game?

    That would be D.) Tom Brady

  167. asthmafield says:
    Jul 12, 2015 5:04 PM

    Which player did NOT insult a woman or a child… but instead assaulted the integrity of the game?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Answer: Rodger Goodell

    ================================

    Stop INSULTING your brain.

    But you’re a hater and that limits your IQ, so we understand.

  168. Put aside the Greg Hardy suspension and the fact there no shortage of actual evidence that shows assault and domestic violence. Ponder this:
    If Brady’s absurd suspension is reduced by one, two or three games does that make it any less absurd (aka no definitive proof of involvement in a violation that can’t even be proved to have happened)?
    And what will the reasoning (or lack thereof) be by the NFL Kangaroo Court: that there are varying degrees of ‘generally aware’? Really?
    Roger Goodell intentionally took a trip down the rabbit hole and he’s going to find there’s no easy way back. Can’t wait to see the inane ill-logic coming soon.

  169. solo681 says:
    Jul 12, 2015 5:40 PM

    Stop INSULTING your brain.

    But you’re a hater and that limits your IQ, so we understand.
    ===========================

    Wow. It’s impossible to come back with anything after having been burned so incredibly bad by you. I mean… how on Earth can I have anywhere close to such a witty and well thought out response?

    I bow to your stellar debate skills. Very, very impressive.

    With guys as smart as you pulling for him, Brady is in good hands, believe me.

  170. Brady will be vindicated in court where ACTUAL evidence is examined properly and then win his 5th ring. The jealous losers out there should take a look at Troy Vincent the con man and crook who lied about his degree and went bankrupt 6 times, and Mike Kensil, former Jet and long time Pats hater who instigated this farce. Goodell doe not want these clowns on a witness stand.

  171. “Put aside the Greg Hardy suspension and the fact there no shortage of actual evidence that shows assault and domestic violence. ”

    See, right there you lost all credibility. If there was evidence “actual evidence” they wouldn’t have dropped the charges.

  172. They better not reduce anything. Brady broke the rules. Then he covered it up. You pats homers can spin it all you want, but the guy only got 4 games, you already got too lucky. Brady shouldn’t have been “free” for at least a season. Hardy was a dummy, his junk should be handled in court. Brady cheated the game, has been for at least one season, and then lied about it. No pats fan that cannot admit this deserves any respect from fans of any other team. Goodell can either tick off the fair weather pats fans or just disgust the rest of the league.

  173. asthmafield says:
    Jul 12, 2015 7:02 PM
    With guys as smart as you pulling for him, Brady is in good hands, believe me.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Brady is not in trouble.
    The real issue remains the same as when this all started = Goodell and his unethical, errant and corrupt use of authority.

    The real sad part is the blinding power of hatred.
    Substantially hinders the mind to think and reason or to accept factual evidence that does not agree with the hate/jealousy.

  174. So Goodell now has no real choice but to reduce the suspension…

    Uh…no he won’t.

  175. folkcrusader says:
    Jul 10, 2015 3:40 PM
    Brady’s a cheater, and on top of that lied about it. His issue is not a legal matter, it speaks to the integrity of the game and he crapped all over it.

    The two issues are not equal. In a public sense what hardy may have done was far worse. In a football sense what Brady did was treason.

    Personally I think Goodell was being lenient with 4 games. If Brady had come clean I would have said 1 game suspended and 3 games loss of pay. But he continues to lie so I say let him rot for all 4 games. If had been up to me he would be sitting out 8 games.

    _______________________________________

    I don’t understand how people believe Brady’s 4 game suspension is too lenient. Saying Brady should have come clean is crazy.

    Is it too ludicrous to believe that Brady may have actually not deflated any balls and that he is actually telling the truth? He was under oath during his appeal..science proves the balls weren’t deflated..there are zero texts that specifically state Brady asked for balls to be below 12.5 psi.

    You seem like a great fit for Goodell’s team saying he should be suspended 8 games. Get over it. Don’t pin a player for doing absolutely nothing wrong. He was under oath during his appeal and unless we have not been notified of Brady doing any wrongdoing (which would have been leaked) then why can’t you believe him. Seems like you are just another moron who just ignored all of the stories proving the Wells report was a complete hack.

  176. People seem to think that Brady’s 4 games and Hardy’s 4 games are some sort of fair comparison.

    If you speed past a school zone you can get a $150 ticket for speeding. If you are walking down the street and toss a gum wrapper, you can get a $150 ticket for littering. Are speeding and littering the same type of violation? No. But they have the same penalty. Are you going to argue that to a judge? Good luck.

  177. wetookavote says:
    Jul 11, 2015 9:16 AM

    The funniest part of the whole offseason has been reading the ranting of delusional Pats fans. Apparently, a team that has won one SB in ten years is the bestest ever and forever and everybody’s just jealous and the QB who has never been able to accurately throw intermediate or long passes is the bestest ever and forever and everybody should apologize and the Pats are gonna SUE everybody anyway!!!! (ahem) BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

    ——-

    I love how the uninformed fan is still bagging on Brady and his short passing game, as if that’s a bad thing.

    Funny how that short passing game was exactly the right matchup and the right tactic to use against the likes of the LOB. Rivers was the first to try it against them and it worked. Brady executed it on a much bigger stage and it was the biggest comeback in SB history.

    LOL indeed.

    🙂

    #FaceItTheWorldChampionsAreBetterThanUrTeamInEveryWay
    #UrTeamJustIsntOnOURLevel
    #UrTeamDoesntBelongOnTheFieldWithUS

  178. Brady did nothing wrong. Hard to admit to something that you didn’t do. 🙂

    Poor poor Patriot Hater. The bunch of little weaklings otherwise known as your favorite team can’t beat the Super Bowl MVP and the World Champs fair and square so you desperately want the league to do something about it.

    #WhatABunchofWussies
    #BradyDespisesUrWussyTeamAndLovesSmashingThemForFun
    #YesHeDoes

  179. Just so Patriot Hater knows.

    Super Bowl MVP Tom Brady hates each and every one of your teams with a passion and takes great pleasure in giving them the whipping that each and every one of them deserve.

    Don’t cry now.

    🙂

  180. Tee hee. 🙂 I still see Patriot Hater still thinks the Commissioner Exempt list is a suspension list that the commissioner can arbitrarily decide to place players for an indefinite time. After being told many times that it is not anything of the kind.

    Intelligent football fans are already aware that all Patriot Haters know nothing about football or the NFL. It’s funny how they still want to prove their lack of knowledge over and over again. Just not very bright I guess.

    🙂

  181. Patriots are just lucky that Pete Carroll crapped the bed or they would have lost their 3rd straight super bowl appearance, lol.

    Belichick better be glad that he is a really good coach because he sucks at finding talent. That roster minus Brady is very, very mediocre.

    Enjoy it while you can.

  182. letsgobuffalo4 says:
    Jul 10, 2015 3:30 PM

    Hardy did something off the field and tarnished the image of the NFL- most of Hardy’s issues are in the hands of the law. What Tom did was tarnish the integrity
    ====
    Men who beat on women and children have no integrity. People who defend men who beat on women and children have no integrity.

    The NFL already has no integrity. It is a league of liars and cheats and always has been.

  183. The way to stop this sort of thing is to codify what penalty is for what infraction–and then follow the code established. In the Brady case, part of the issue is that there is a penalty established for what Brady is accused of doing. It is a $25,000 fine. Period. No suspension. But Goodell, wanting to throw his weight around and wanting to have a friendly press where he sits in New York Jet City, decided to drop the bomb on the Jets’ hated enemies.

    It worked half way. Bob Kraft has almost unendingly deep pockets, and his top-drawer scouting operation allows him to weather the loss of draft choices, so he was willing, in the interest of peace, to let the penalties imposed on the Patriots stand. Also, since the investigation specifically found that neither Kraft nor Belichick knew what was going on, there’s no personal issue of honor for him; since it was obvious that the deflation had no role in the Patriots’ massacre of the Colts, which got worse, not better, for the Colts once all balls were properly inflated, it doesn’t detract from the Super Bowl win.

    But for Brady, there is a personal honor issue. He’s saying he never told anyone to cheat, to deflate the balls below the required minimum. So he’ll go to the mat on this one, and if I were a betting man–which, as a pastor, I’m not–my money would be that if this goes to court, Brady wins it like a Super Bowl and the league will be lucky if it doesn’t have to pay him money. A lot of embarrassment coming, mostly as a result of trying to appease the insane New York media.

  184. From the actual Wells report:

    Pg. 228 sect 13: in sum, the data did not provide a basis for us to determine with absolute certainty whether there was or was not tampering as the analysis of such data ultimately is dependent upon assumptions and information that is not certain.

    They actually don’t even know there WAS tampering, duh.

  185. “They actually don’t even know there WAS tampering, duh.”

    They don’t have to be absolutely certain. This isn’t a criminal trial. It’s more along the lines of a civil suit. Preponderance of the evidence is enough. It doesn’t have to be absolute certainty.

    Basically, something happened and Brady was not forthcoming about it.

  186. BringBackTheFlex says:
    Jul 13, 2015 12:53 PM
    This isn’t a criminal trial. It’s more along the lines of a civil suit. Preponderance of the evidence is enough. It doesn’t have to be absolute certainty.
    Basically, something happened and Brady was not forthcoming about it.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You are half correct and yet totally off in your conclusion.

    Correct: Even in a Civil Lawsuit there is a basis & foundation for ‘Preponderance of Evidence’.
    Without such I could sue you for slander or anything I wish.
    LOGIC & REASON still prevails as any Judge & Jury would agree.
    With all the evidence that has been made available to the public in this scenario, even I could defend Brady & win in a civil lawsuit against Goodell & the NFL.

    The EVIDENCE is overwhelmingly in Brady’s favor if you have done an unbiased analysis of the FACTS, including the Well$ Report and the Text messages.

  187. BringBackTheFlex says:
    Jul 13, 2015 12:53 PM

    Basically, something happened and Brady was not forthcoming about it.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The FACTS have been revealed to the public and something did happen.
    It is called NATURE/SCIENCE/Laws of Physics.

    Goodell has nothing on Brady except Slander and Misrepresentation of Office.

    The American people are being tested in this setup by higher powers to see how easily their ‘Perception of Reality’ can be manipulated and controlled. This is being watched very closely behind the scenes at higher levels of authority. Open your Mind and Think beyond mere football.

  188. Ken, a fine is just one of the possible punishments. Brady banked a fine, and he lost. Brady threw away his honor with the press conference, his interview with Bob Costas and his not being candid with the investigation and, apparently to the comissioner. No one forced him to do any of these things. His honor is gone just like first ballot HOF.

  189. limakey says:
    Jul 13, 2015 5:29 PM

    Ken, a fine is just one of the possible punishments. Brady banked a fine, and he lost. Brady threw away his honor with the press conference, his interview with Bob Costas and his not being candid with the investigation and, apparently to the comissioner. No one forced him to do any of these things. His honor is gone just like first ballot HOF.

    —-

    There are enough informed, intelligent and objective HOF voters to ensure Tom Brady is elected as a first ballot HOFer by a landslide.

    As he should be.

    And that remains true even if one day he does say he deflated footballs. But he did no such thing so that is moot.

    If 4 time Super Bowl champion, 3 time SB MVP and 2 time league MVP Tom Brady retires today he gets elected on the first ballot. Period.

    Facts are facts. You might not like them but that doesn’t make them any less factual.

    🙂

  190. There is no way the HOF voters can ignore this. They will have to consider the facts on why he did it, how long he did it and how to compare his stats against those who did not have the balls altered to their advantage. I didn’t say they will keep him out, but I seriously doubt he get that rare honor of a first ballot. His accomplishments are forever tarnished. Like it or not. And I dare say there will be voters who will never vote for him because of this.

  191. limakey says:
    Jul 10, 2015 6:33 PM

    Troll, I think most Pat fans refuse to acknowledge what the Wells Report did prove. Which is Brady did prefer under inflated balls. He knew the total process and knew if he did get caught, the flaws in the system could never 100 percent prove it.
    ==================
    You might as well just stop making up lies dude. We all have access to the same public information and none of it spells out any of the crap you post.

  192. ” Preponderance of the evidence is enough. It doesn’t have to be absolute certainty.

    To get a preponderance of the evidence, you have to have some evidence to start with. There is plenty of evidence that supports Brady: the measured pressures are consistent with the gas law and the temperature of the day. The text messages show that Brady wanted the officials to know the rules about air pressure. The post-game ball measurements show that extra air was put into the balls at halftime, which inflated the Pats’ footballs above the 13.5 psi max. That’s also consistent with the fact that the Pats’ balls were gauged during halftime when they were cold. The Colts’ footballs, on the other hand, did not increase in pressure between halftime and the post-game measurement. That’s because they were much warmer when they were gauged than the Pats’ balls were, presumably because they were gauged 10 minutes later or thereabouts, after warming up in the locker room.

    “Basically, something happened and Brady was not forthcoming about it.”

    Really, you think it’s reasonable to say somebody should be punished based on the standard of “Basically, something happened”? That’s absurd. Even the Spanish Inquisition had to explain exactly what b.s. allegation they were using when they convicted people of heresy.

    Is “something happened” that the balls were tampered on 1/18? The measurements from that day say that didn’t happen. Is “something happened” that somebody from the Pats’ camp tampered with footballs on other days? There is no evidence of such behavior, and indeed, on the day of the Jets’ game, there is clear evidence to the contrary. Is “something happened” that Brady told somebody to cheat? There is no evidence of that.

    The Wells report is an intelligence test. If you accept it at face value, you’ve failed.

  193. I.Q. TEST #1.) Which NFL Player below insulted every Man, Woman, and child by CHEATING FOR YEARS?

    A.) Ray Rice
    B.) Adrian Peterson
    C.) Greg Hardy
    D.) Tom Brady

    That would be D.) Tom Brady

  194. AH I would have to agree.

    D) Tom Brady form a sports standpoint is the only one of these 4 that even belong on this list

    He is the same as Pete Rose & Chicago Black Sox

  195. Brady deserves more than 4 games. You pats homers are lucky it’s not a season ban. Please tell me again that the wells report is false and the deflator is just on a diet…. I could use a good laugh.

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