Kromer apparently will claim self-defense, sort of

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Bills offensive line coach Aaron Kromer has been arrested for punching a minor during a dispute over beach chairs and threatening to kill the boy’s family, if the boy told police about the incident. (No, you really can’t make this sh-t up.)

As usual, there’s another side to the story, possibly pushed by the guy who faces the loss of money, employment, and/or liberty.

“A source” (with no more specificity than that) tells Alex Marvez of FOXSports.com that the claims made against Kromer “may not be completely accurate.”

“It was dark out. He couldn’t see the people,” the source told Marvez. “The kids were belligerent and threatened him. Bottom line, they stole his property and he couldn’t identify them because it was dark out and they threatened him.”

It’s possible the source was Kromer himself. If so, it’s hard to accept such a self-serving account at face value. Indeed, Kromer is a big guy — six feet, four inches and 215 pounds, according to the booking report. How “threatened” was he by a group of minors?

It seems like Kromer (or “the source”) is claiming self defense. Actually, it’s more like the “fog of war” privilege, where things were happening and it was vague and it was dark and Kromer just happened to see well enough to punch someone.

The explanation from Kromer/the source/whoever also doesn’t address the troubling claim that Kromer threatened to kill the boy’s family if he told police. Which sounds a lot like what someone would say if/when that someone knows he’s suddenly facing the loss money, employment, and/or liberty.

It’s unclear how this will play out. The quote from the source to Marvez, however, hardly will operate as a silver bullet to prevent any and all charges.

119 responses to “Kromer apparently will claim self-defense, sort of

  1. One of Rex Ryan’s guys. Big shock. Surprised he didn’t tell the kids that his murder of their family would be the greatest murder of all time.

    Having fun yet, Bill’s fans?

  2. These high profile people are just so dumb lately they should know better than to get in these types of predicaments. You think if the kids stole property from him then he could have just called the police then. He really should have known better.

  3. Bills fan here……. this guy already had baggage before this incident. Hope the team fires him and gets a new person in place before training camp.

    No offensive line coach in the league is worth this headache…. let alone a nobody like this.

  4. Really. We are supposed to believe he was willing to risk his life for lawn chairs? Are they made of solid gold with diamond and ruby accents, passed down by his grandfather who smuggled them out of Europe during the War – because that is the only way that makes sense.

  5. Meh… Seems like you’re completely buying the story of some dude/kid and discrediting Kromer. Total he said, he said. Not sure why you’ve decided the kid who got punched is right when Kromer’s story sounds as plausible as the one against him. Ill chalk this one up as I don’t know who’s right and I don’t care, but I’m not just gonna believe some kid.

  6. ” … but I’m not just gonna believe some kid.”

    And I’m not just gonna believe some 6-foot-4, 215-pound man who may have punched a minor.

  7. I don’t intend to justify Kromer if he did what he is said to have done, but it looks to me like you are presenting this story as if he was certainly responsible of some wrongdoing, and as the only credible sources/sides are the “minors” involved in this mess.

  8. There are always three sides to every story…His, theirs, and the truth. If these kids where trespassing he probably should have called the police. Maybe Kromer thought if he told them to leave they would just go then it turned ugly. Look, there are 13yr old “kids” who look and are as big as grown men. I’m sure there is equal blame on both sides. We live in an ‘entitled” society today. These kids felt they where “entitled” to do whatever they wanted and Kromer felt “entitled” to protect his property and kick them out.

  9. Cut the guy some slack. Just because he is involved with the NFL doesn’t mean he’s guilty. Who knows to facts? Let a jury figure it out

  10. I love reading this kind of stuff. Looking at other people opinions. Any clown, minor or not and with the crazy “I gotta a gun midgets” anything is possible. Now you take my chairs you are going to be questioned. It’s this lack of respect now a days with Facebook, Twitter, that promotes nothing but Me, me, ME. Todays world is a joke. Bring back the 60’s and 70’s.

  11. Guy in leadership role lost it over a couple of beach chairs, punched a kid, threatened murder?

    Fire him. Now.

    He’ll be luck if that all he gets.

  12. I’m not a Bills’ fan and I don’t know anything about Kromer; however, isn’t it possible that a bunch of self-entitled kids crossed the wrong guy and it didn’t end well for them? And, instead of a simple apology, we now have an arrest and someone possibly losing his livelihood?

  13. Punk kids shouldn’t have stolen his chairs.

    Grown man and a dad, shouldn’t have acted like an idiot and punched a minor.

    Almost a tie, but the kids win based on senseless violence.

  14. Three against one in the dark? Yeah, if one of them comes at me I’m knocking him out. Unfortunately you don’t get a chance to check IDs before you get jumped.

  15. This is beginning to sound like the media doing Travon part two. “boys” “How “threatened” was he by a group of minors?” Travon was six feet tall and 175 pounds not that photo of him as a kid you saw on TV and it starts right here.

    You question the counter story but don’t question what the thieves told police? What kind of world are you hoping to create when you blame the victim? The next logical step would be for articles about a rape beginning to question again how the woman was dressed when attacked.
    How many “boys”? How big were they? I know from experience confronting thieves in the dark is unnerving, especially when they outnumber you. They have already shown a willingness to commit a crime, how does one know what other crimes they are willing to commit? The idea is to chase them off without your stuff and hope it doesn’t go south from there.

  16. So let me get this straight. A guy who is 6’4″ and 215# shouldn’t be afraid of 3 good-sized kids (they were between 16 -17 years old) who he couldn’t see well in the dark and didn’t know if they had any weapons on them? Is that a joke? Not knowing who they were would certainly explain him bringing his adult son with him.

    And the theory is the kid is believable but Kromer isn’t? Because kids always tell the truth, especially ones who steal stuff and are out fishing after dark?

  17. There are always three sides of every story. Yours, their’s and the truth. I just don’t understand how anyone, can throw a punch in today’s world and not expect to be held fully accountable. Regardless of what led up to it, you just don’t do it.

  18. All I thought reading this story is “Florio certainly has his mind made up.”

    Hope this guy’s guilty because he’s certainly been found guilty in the court of public opinion.

  19. This is beginning to sound like the media doing Travon part two. “boys” “How “threatened” was he by a group of minors?” Travon was six feet tall and 175 pounds not that photo of him as a kid you saw on TV and it starts right here.
    —————————–
    Except that Trayvon wasn’t bothering anyone just walking down the street. Then he was chased down and murdered by a maniac. This guy may have been defending himself but according to people like you Trayvon did not have that right. So let him rest in peace.

  20. I have lived around this area for over 20 years. That part of the beach is pitch black at night. This will turn out to be high school kids. Walton and Okaloosa county’s both have a problem with kids on the beach at night drinking, drugs and sex.

  21. Now, sadly, an entire family has to be killed to fulfill the promise–all because the boy didn’t heed the warning Kromer had given. What a waste of innocent people…

  22. So we have to be skeptical of Kromer’s version but accept at face value the kid’s version where he threatened to kill their families.

    From the jump, the kid’s version seems illogical that he would react that harshly.

    The most likely scenario is these kids stole his chairs and he went to get them back and they refused and then told him to get lost.

    These are millennials we’re talking about.

  23. 6’4″ 215 is a tall thin guy. Big guy? Nah.

    ***********************************
    Agreed. Johnny Manziel is 6 2 and 205. Nobody considers him a “BIG guy”.

    These kids absolutely had to have been out of line.
    Hitting them and threatening them? If he did it, he’s still an idiot.

    But I doubt they were precious little darlings “walking home from 7-11 with a soda and some skittles minding their own business”….

  24. As the facts start to be revealed, this will end up going nowhere. The system doesn’t need a stupid case involving some punk thieves ruining another man’s livelihood.

  25. “How “threatened” was he by a group of minors?”

    Per one Mike Florio:

    “On this day in 1996, a nine-pound, one-ounce baby boy was born in Morgantown, West Virginia. Like today, it was a Sunday. And in the hospital room that night, we watched NFL highlights together, the nine-pound, one-ounce baby boy propped on my chest.

    Seventeen years and 230 more pounds later, that baby boy would crush my sternum if we tried to do it again.”

  26. These NFL dudes are some tough s.o.b.’s, A.Quarless 6’5 and 250 lbs needs to shoot a gun off to scare a couple of chicks and now Kromer at 6’4 215lbs has to wail on some kids. At least D. Suh stomps on other guys his size.

  27. “Indeed, Kromer is a big guy — six feet, four inches and 215 pounds, according to the booking report. How “threatened” was he by a group of minors?”

    Yes, because by using term “minor” instantly guarantees that all of the “minors” were what 5’0″ tall and 120lbs? I know I’ve never seen a 6’0″+ 220lbs+ 16 or 17 year old male. And I’ve most certainly NEVER seen more than one of them hanging out together… Good call there Mike!

  28. There are plenty of 6’4″ 200+ lb teenagers out there. No idea if any of these “victims” were large persons, but being under the age of 18 does not mean you are innocent or helpless.

  29. I have no idea why the legal process should continue given that it clear that Mike Florio already has convicted and sentenced the guy.

  30. Bob says:
    Jul 12, 2015 9:08 PM

    And I’m not just gonna believe some 6-foot-4, 215-pound man who may have punched a minor.

    ———
    And how big were the “minors” and how many of them were there?

    Many kids are basically full grown physically by 16 or 17. Hell, I stopped growing (at least vertically) when I was 15 and I’m way above average height.

    Let the process play itself out, but first take for me is that the group were acting like punks and went running for daddy when somebody called them on it.

  31. “How “threatened” was he by a group of minors?”

    So much of the younger generation, raised by the influence of social media, have no respect or consideration of others.

    I can easily imaging being threaten by a smart mouth group of thieving minors.

  32. Sounds like a bunch of bravo sierra to me and its going to cost Kromer a lot in the long run regardless of what is said here.

  33. How “threatened” was he by a group of minors?

    You make it sound implausible … Sure he is six four… But is size everything? Could Manute Bol fight? I’m pretty sure I could find some minors that would make most men feel threatened. But hey why wait for facts being judgmental is so much more fun without them.

  34. Man, you do not like the Bills, do you Florio. The family death threat sounds more like something made up by a juvenile looking to embellish the story. I don’t believe for a second that Kromer actually said that.

  35. I’m glad there are so many people here who understand that theft of lawn chairs is an offense worthy of the death penalty. If he’d shot the kids, it would have been justifiable homicide. (NOT)

    He was being an idiot. We live in an era where acts of stupidity can be punished by public humiliation and loss of employment.

    The sad thing is that if the Bills fire him, he could end up coaching kids.

  36. Well, the reality is surely somewhere in the middle. He may not be the devil everyone made him out to be initially.

  37. atlfan31833 says:

    So he is not credible but 3 thiefs are??
    ————-

    Exactly.

    We only know the following.

    Three guys under 18 stole another man’s chairs at night.

    The man who owned the chairs confronted them and instead of running away there was a fight. 3-1. The man won.

    That is all we know. The youths could all 6′ plus. The youths could all have rap sheets a mile long. The man could have been totally within his right, or not, we don’t know.

  38. If he punched a minor and threatened to kill his family, then coaching football should be the least of his worries. He deserves to be locked away and I don’t care what the situation with the chairs amounts to.

    No excuse, if the kids broke the law, then call the authorities. Full stop.

  39. If those punks stole his property they all deserved to get punched….actually they all deserve to get shot!

  40. Trayvon wasn’t just walking home. He was walking up by the houses looking in windows and open garages. The area had several home burglaries, thats why Zimmerman was out patrolling
    Martin was not chased down. Zimmerman stopped following him when the dispatcher asked him to. Zimmerman was half way back to his SUV when the confrontation with Martin happened. Martin and Zimmerman had been moving in opposite directions. The evidence shows Martin had been hiding in some nearby bushes.
    If you want the facts – not the media narrative read the court transcript. These are what the police investigators testified to.

  41. Combine beating up children with Rex’s foot fetish and you’ve got a wonderful group of guys there in Buffalo.
    The “We will win the Super Bowl, I guarantee it!” is just around the corner…

  42. Not sure how the Bills organization will feel about this but from what I understand, some people don’t like it when you punch kids and threaten to kill them.

  43. The difference otissimo is that it was a lying thieving punk who had one punch that didn’t do enough damage to get him charged for a felony. So really, no one cares.

  44. When I was 16 I had a friend who was 6’8′ and a real tough guy. He would intimidate most of you reading this. I knew guys who were totally insane as “kids’ too. One friend joined the KKK over the summer in ’74. He was never the same. He could scare anybody. His brother, who joined with him was convicted last week of murdering an old friend down my old street just last week. That was in the early 70’s before America crumbled. On a dark beach, do you have to wait for an autopsy before defending yourself? He threatened to “kill” his family/ Says the guy who would otherwise be in a huge jam and now no doubt smells a huge payday? It wasn’t just one “kid”. It was a group{mob}. How about Redskins safety Shawn Springs? Should he have not been afraid of the “kids” who broke in his house? This website is getting more like TMZ every day. Some have already Lynched him. I might have slugged the MAN who robbed him and shouted and faced him down too. I bet they didn’t use any inflamatory language, right? “Dear sir, would you kindly put down my fishing pole. The chaps and I were just using these chairs because we were tired from working at the homeless shelter all day!”

  45. Remember last year when all the “kids” were playing the game “Knockout”? Walk up to a complete stranger and knock them unconscious. No need to fear “kids” these days, right?

  46. Here in FL, theses kids are lucky he didn’t shoot first & then watch the parents bury their kids. Everyone here is armed & if it’s dark, you take less chances.

    #Kromersavedthekidsfromthedark

  47. I’m a hardcore Dolphins fan and I can’t stand Rex Ryan. As much as I’d love to bask in Bill’s misery I can’t help but feel that Kromer’s side of the story is not getting fair exposure in the media. Somehow the little side of his story that I have read makes sense and it sounds like the media is sensationalize the story.

  48. Indeed, Kromer is a big guy — six feet, four inches and 215 pounds
    ———————————————-

    Being big went out when they invented gun powder!

  49. As I see it, responsibility must fall at the feet of Kromer. Why wouldn’t you believe the claims of a bunch of minors? Out alone at 2am in the morning stealing other people property seems perfectly logical to me.

    I cant imagine why Kromer would knock a guy down and punch him out.. I am sure this innocent minor offered politely to return Kromer’s chair.

    Fire Kromer..

    Hey! teachers! leave those kids alone!

    Bobo

  50. It was dark out, and he couldn’t see them… so he punched them? Unless his arms are really, really long, don’t you have to get close to someone to punch them?

    If I approach multiple people at night, can’t see them and possibly feel threatened… I don’t then get close enough to attack someone I can’t identify. Especially if I am planning to attack them with my fists, not having a weapon myself and not knowing if they do because I can’t see them.

    This story stinks, on multiple levels.

  51. Look, none of you idiots know how old the kids are. As of 12:30 a.m. Eastern time, that information has not been released from the sheriffs department in Florida. Kromer was not alone, he had his son with him whom is also an adult. So now you have two adults vs. Three kids. Even if the kids were 17 and 200 lbs each, that doesn’t mean a thing. You guys can sit here and claim kids these days are bigger than adults back in the day, and there is some truth to that, but maybe 20% of the male population at age 17 is that size at best. Kromer went to the kids, with his son to confront them. Why not just call the police? If they come back after the police show up and make them leave, then beat their behinds. But have someone do it for you. Call 15 of your 17 year old nephews to do it. Don’t do it yourself when you have as high a profile job as you do. No matter how you chalk it up, Kromer did not handle the situation very well. If there was a threat of danger, he shouldn’t have brought his son with him, let alone went out there himself. I agree kids these days have no respect, no sense of self awareness, no care for people around them or their property, most of them are lazy and play video games rather than do any real work… But you have to be smarter than that of you’re Kromer.

  52. The minors were probably like the lord of the flies kids…kromer should have punched the punks !! Kids these days=violent

  53. Self defense against a kid huh. Not really buying it. This generation isn’t exactly intimidating. What did he do wave a selfie stick at you? Threaten to tweet in an aggresive manner or force feed you non organic foods? Sorry your just a tool coach.

  54. Did Kromer need to threaten to kill them if they told police if he truly believed his actions were justified? Wouldn’t he instead have threatened to go to the police?

  55. There’s no doubt about it he’s got to be guilty. No sense in finding out all the facts. He’s an NFL coach take him out and hang him.

  56. I really wonder if they were Kromer’s chairs at all, or if they were the complex’ chairs or the beach chairs or whatever.

    I watched Kromer as interim coach of the Saints. He basically tried to punch the other team in the mouth, losing game after game. That only works if you’re bigger than the other guy. No imagination.

    He seems like one of those position coaches that likes to ride the blocking sled and yell at his players – a muscle-brain. We don’t need these clowns in the game.

  57. An obvious idiot who needs to be held accountable however minors do need to be held more accountable in general. Minors know they can break the law and more or less get away with it. Parents put down your phones kids shouldn’t be raised by the TV/computer/video games they need you to be parents.

  58. What would have happened if Sean Taylor knocked the minors out who broke into his house?
    He’d be alive and probably in jail.

  59. My gut tells me that the “minors” or “boys” were 17 years, and 11 months old. Just my wild guess. (Otherwise, why not report the ages of the “boys”?)

    However, you can’t threaten to kill people. Stupid is as stupid does.

  60. “Except that Trayvon wasn’t bothering anyone just walking down the street. Then he was chased down and murdered by a maniac. ”

    A maniac on his back, with TM on his chest pummeling him to death?

  61. Same old tough guys on this site promoting/justifying violence against women (Johnson), children (Peterson) and now minors. Go back to burning ants with your magnifying glass or playing video games, but please don’t procreate.

  62. Is there anything more annoying than reading the smug, moral superiority of white Baby Boomers? They’re basically Puritans without the religion. They get their rocks off judging other people. It’s so tiresome.

  63. Somebody better start putting some boots up these kids butts. News to the parents of these kids, they’re not angels!!!

  64. “How “threatened” was he by a group of minors?”

    ——————————————-

    Really? Continuing to refer to them as “minors” as though they were little boys in knee pants with lollypops ignores the fact that groups of teens – regardless of their physical size – can be obnoxious and aggressive. Remember the “knockout game” trend that was all the rage?

    A group of teenagers can absolutely make a fully grown man feel threatened. “Threatened” doesn’t automatically mean that Kromer was cowering in the corner – it means he felt he needed to defend himself.

    Hey – I don’t know who was right or wrong, but it feels like PFT is painting this thing like Kromer was bullying a bunch of innocent kids, and that certainly was not the case.

  65. This is another case of the Liberal media assuming someone is guilty without having all the facts. And the sad part is most people don’t bother to question whether the media is right or not.

  66. jingo2015 says:
    Jul 12, 2015 9:02 PM
    Meh… Seems like you’re completely buying the story of some dude/kid and discrediting Kromer. Total he said, he said. Not sure why you’ve decided the kid who got punched is right when Kromer’s story sounds as plausible as the one against him. Ill chalk this one up as I don’t know who’s right and I don’t care, but I’m not just gonna believe some kid.

    ———————————————–

    This is it exactly. Neither side was “right” in how they acted, and there are no angels here. Let’s get all the facts before we pass judgement on anyone.

    The internet lynch mob mentality is really obnoxious, solves nothing, and usually gets a lot wrong. But by the time all the facts are out the masses have moved on and whatever half-truths and misinformation was reported at the very start will be held as “truth” in the public mind.

    It’s the dumb & ugly side of our 24 hour news cycle.

  67. It was so dark that it couldn’t see the people, but he could see what they were doing with his chairs? He felt threatened so he challenged them, and fights them instead of calling the police? Good luck with your next job standing on a blocking dummy at a local HS.

  68. Google “man beaten by teens” …sounds more like three punks in the dark got more than they bargained for…what are three “boys” doing out that time of night and messing with things that are not theirs…

  69. Size means nothing in a fight especially when your outnumbered. Not saying what he did was right, but to insinuate that he should not have felt threatened in that situation because he was the largest person standing is somewhat ignorant considering nobody yet knows the exact details of that situation.

  70. Florio wrote, “Kromer is a big guy — six feet, four inches and 215 pounds, according to the booking report. How “threatened” was he by a group of minors?”

    You’re part of the problem, Mike. I’m a former LEO, and I’ve seen many dashboard cam videos of LEOs losing their lives to much smaller individuals. There was a Texas LEO back in the late 90’s who stood 6’5″ and weighed 250 lbs. Three very diminutive gentlemen (who’s lawful status in the country was not lawful), quickly and rather easily overpowered him, took his gun and shot him with it. The entire encounter probably lasted 10 seconds.

  71. Kromer is a big guy — six feet, four inches and 215 pounds, according to the booking report. How “threatened” was he by a group of minors?
    …………………..
    That’s just not true, at all.

    Strength in numbers. 3 teens could still beat up a man of that stature. When I was 16 I was 6′ 200 lbs. So I would have been a close match for a man like Kromer just on my own. 2 of my best friends were similar size. 3 of us combined absolutely could take town a 6’4″ 215 lb man, and he would have had every reason to feel threatned if the 3 of us indeed had threatened him. And indeed, we were minors.

    It’s not like you’re given some toughness right of passage when you turn 18 that makes you invincible to “minors”.

  72. luther6 says:
    Jul 13, 2015 7:16 AM

    Is there anything more annoying than reading the smug, moral superiority of white Baby Boomers? They’re basically Puritans without the religion. They get their rocks off judging other people. It’s so tiresome.
    ——————————————————-

    Whats more annoying is a hyp0critical moron to pulling out the race card while casting judgment himself. Go away!

  73. I like the conclusion some come to calling these kids punks. Its not like they broke into a home and stole valuable items. Based on what was released thus far these kids were sitting there fishing for Gods sake. Kromer confronted them and threw one of the fishing poles in the water. Granted the kids shouldn’t have been using them but if they didn’t give them up he should have just called the police. If it comes out he knew the kids were minors he is toast for hitting one of them.

  74. themeccalambeaufield says:
    Jul 13, 2015 9:52 AM
    luther6 says:
    Jul 13, 2015 7:16 AM

    Is there anything more annoying than reading the smug, moral superiority of white Baby Boomers? They’re basically Puritans without the religion. They get their rocks off judging other people. It’s so tiresome.
    ——————————————————-

    Whats more annoying is a hyp0critical moron to pulling out the race card while casting judgment himself. Go away!
    …………………………….
    Huh? What about his statement had anything to do with race? Baby boomer is a generational sect. Puritans is an adjective which, in the context in which it was here used, can be applied to any race.

  75. Those “kids” were lucky he only hit them. In FL, where everyone carries a concealed weapon, you steal someones beach chairs at nite and then threaten them….9 time outta 10 you will be shot rightfully. People get shot in road rage arguments just for walking up to the car…..and are not prosecuted bc its deemed self defense.

  76. iloveagoodnap says:
    Jul 13, 2015 10:27 AM
    themeccalambeaufield says:
    Jul 13, 2015 9:52 AM
    luther6 says:
    Jul 13, 2015 7:16 AM

    Is there anything more annoying than reading the smug, moral superiority of white Baby Boomers? They’re basically Puritans without the religion. They get their rocks off judging other people. It’s so tiresome.
    ——————————————————-

    Whats more annoying is a hyp0critical moron to pulling out the race card while casting judgment himself. Go away!
    …………………………….
    Huh? What about his statement had anything to do with race? Baby boomer is a generational sect. Puritans is an adjective which, in the context in which it was here used, can be applied to any race.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The part where it says, “white.”

  77. So Kromer obviously got some advice from an attorney… “Say it was dark, you couldn’t tell they were kids.” Don’t be a real man, or take responsibility, or even apologize or anything.

    Only the lowest lowlife would take the side of an adult who attacked a teen. I’d like to see how the idiot posters here would respond if these were THEIR kids.

  78. Oh yeah…”Minors” are so gentle these days. Just refer to the Ferguson video footage.

    As if Florio wouldn’t be wetting himself if surrounded by a group of “minors”.

  79. Trayvon wasn’t just walking home. He was walking up by the houses looking in windows and open garages. The area had several home burglaries, thats why Zimmerman was out patrolling
    Martin was not chased down. Zimmerman stopped following him when the dispatcher asked him to. Zimmerman was half way back to his SUV when the confrontation with Martin happened. Martin and Zimmerman had been moving in opposite directions. The evidence shows Martin had been hiding in some nearby bushes.
    —————————–
    So you were in the passenger seat of Zimmerman’s truck? That story didn’t make any sense then and it still doesn’t make sense. Unless Zimmerman could be in three places at once.

  80. If it was too dark to see anything how’d Kromer even know they were his chairs? Somehow he was able to tell from some distance away they had his chairs but when he approached them from close-up he couldn’t see anything? He needs to work on that story just a bit.

  81. If AP can lynch his kid. Rice & Hardy punch women that weren’t doing something illegal I’m sure he only deserves a few games.

    Hopefully the kid learned his lesson. If his parents disciplined him may he wouldn’t be out at night stealing things.

  82. Riekki, the cops testimony, the dispatcher audio tape and the evidence show Martin and Zimmerman were heading in opposite directions when Zimmerman lost sight of Martin. The evidence shows Martin was hiding in bushes nearby the sidewalk Zimmerman was walking back to his SUV on. The evidence shows Martin had been on top of Zimmerman and had grabbed Zimmerman’s gun exactly as Zimmerman said. Zimmerman had also done 2 walk thrus with 2 different sets of detectives before he was told Martin had died. Zimmerman’s walk thrus were the same both times.
    The facts may not support your wished for narrative, but those are the facts as presented to the court by the State itself, not the defense lawyers. Zimmerman did not get on the stand because the DA had already presented Zimmerman’s case so well it was unnecessary. Don’t want to believe that…fine. Your unwillingness to accept the truth makes it no less the truth.

    A couple of other facts the garbage media somehow left out when they tried to libel Zimmerman as a racist. He worked on Obama’s presidential campaign – starting in the primaries in 2007. Obama’s staff described him as one of their best volunteers. He was a big part of their Hispanic outreach program. So apparently they had no problem with him being Hispanic. He had been tutoring black and Hispanic youths so they would do better in Middle and High School.
    Oh yeah, he is still registered as a Democrat. I have no idea why, but he is.

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