Police report: Aaron Kromer punched boy in eye after chair argument

AP

In offering a form of a self-defense defense, a source close to Bills offensive line coach Aaron Kromer (or, maybe Kromer, who knows) said he was responding to a group of kids stealing his beach chairs.

The report just issued by the Walton County Sheriff’s Department mentions that, among other new details.

The report which was just tweeted out in chunks says that Kromer and his son approached the three minors (whose names were redacted and ages not listed) yelling at them about the chairs. The report said Kromer then pushed one of the boys to the ground and punched him in the left eye before threatening to kill his family and returning home.

At that point, Kromer’s son reportedly talked to the boys and helped them look for the fishing pole which was thrown into the ocean.

So while dad was (allegedly) angry and abusive, the son appeared to realize somebody needed to do something to make things right.

Most of the document which was released was redacted, but the report did state that two witnesses backed up the statement that Kromer hit one boy.

We still haven’t heard much from the Bills or anything from the league on Kromer’s status.

170 responses to “Police report: Aaron Kromer punched boy in eye after chair argument

  1. But you wonder why these young punk kids have no discipline these days. Don’t go into people’s property and steal. Simple stuff, except for dummies defending these teenagers out at 2 in the morning. Kromer did nothing wrong. If their parents disciplined them, they wouldn’t be doing stupid stuff like stealing and expecting to get sympathy, and for all the “call the police” clowns, I bet you call the police if somebody yells loud close to you. But that’s the pansy world we live in where punks steal and then call the police when they get their come uppins.

  2. Still lots more to be told, but wouldn’t be shocking if Kromer might have had a few beverages during the day, to cloud his judgement in flying off the handle.

  3. Rex Ryan guarantees he would have punched all three boys with one punch if he was there

  4. So in the AFC East you have teams where coaches beat up minors, coaches that trip opponents when they run by the sideline, and another team that has coaches and players cheat and seems to encourage it. Looks like the Dolphins are the only team that has any class in that division.

  5. realfootballfan says:
    Jul 13, 2015 11:06 AM

    But you wonder why these young punk kids have no discipline these days. Don’t go into people’s property and steal. Simple stuff, except for dummies defending these teenagers out at 2 in the morning. Kromer did nothing wrong. If their parents disciplined them, they wouldn’t be doing stupid stuff like stealing and expecting to get sympathy, and for all the “call the police” clowns, I bet you call the police if somebody yells loud close to you. But that’s the pansy world we live in where punks steal and then call the police when they get their come uppins.

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    Threatening to kill one’s family over beach chairs makes sense to you?

  6. This story should read.

    Three Males (Criminals – age and size unknown) potentially carrying Fishing Knives Steal the property a law abiding citizen.

    Rather than call the police who may not arrive in time over stolen property the Law Abiding Home Owner confronted the Male criminals. A minor confrontation occurred and the three Male Criminals learned a valuable life lesson. Do not Steal.

    The property was returned and the males continued fishing and did not go to jail for Theft. The Home Owner went back to bed and continued to live his law abiding life.

    ___________________

    On a side note Does any parent want the Police Involved if their sons stole some property and they got punched from the person who they stole the property from?

    The kids can go to jail, have a police record or worse the Cops can shoot them. Take your life lesson and move on.

    We live in such a protected society in these times its ridiculous for anyone over 40 to hear how we treat children.

    If this happened 25 years ago. The parent who have punched out the other eye after they heard the story from the teens.

    Now the Criminals are the victims? Was a police report filed for the theft of the chairs? Did the cops even care?

  7. djg209 says:
    Jul 13, 2015 11:13 AM
    realfootballfan says:
    Jul 13, 2015 11:06 AM

    But you wonder why these young punk kids have no discipline these days. Don’t go into people’s property and steal. Simple stuff, except for dummies defending these teenagers out at 2 in the morning. Kromer did nothing wrong. If their parents disciplined them, they wouldn’t be doing stupid stuff like stealing and expecting to get sympathy, and for all the “call the police” clowns, I bet you call the police if somebody yells loud close to you. But that’s the pansy world we live in where punks steal and then call the police when they get their come uppins.

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    Threatening to kill one’s family over beach chairs makes sense to you?

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    Scaring a punk into staying away from your property that said punk was trying to steal make sense to you.

  8. For all of you are saying that Kromer did nothing wrong, there is nothing wrong about defending your property. But threatening to kill somebody’s family–yeah, that’s wrong. That’s stupid. That’s against the law.

  9. Hard to buy any self-defense argument when the son stuck around after to help these kids. If they were so threatening you would think sonny boy would have gone home with dad.

  10. I’m not sure if I’m more disturbed by Kromer punching a kid, or that he (allegedly) threatened to kill the kid’s family if he told anyone. (Which in my opinion proves Kromer’s acknowledgement of wrongdoing.)

    That takes things to another level. And unfortunately, you have to take such threats seriously these days.

  11. Can you imagine if a player punched a kid in the eye? My goodness.

    Lots of folks coming to the defense of an adult who should know how to handle a situation involving minors. They need to start testing these coaches for roids.

  12. “Stole his property” is a harsh way to describe kids finding some chairs left by the boardwalk and using them while they fish. Did he ask for them back, or just flip out? That’s the question……

  13. “realfootballfan says: But you wonder why these young punk kids have no discipline these days”

    Dude, it’s freaking beach chairs. You sound like the kind of guy that will shoot kids for taking a short cut through your property.

    If it was my I would have told the kids to put it back when they are done and ask next time. I’m not going to get in a twist some chairs.

    The guy needs to lose his job over this.

  14. @ jchipwood

    Yeah the dolphins are the class of that division. Its not like they had a bullying problem with the O-lineman and the team. I mean we only had to listen to how they were the class of the division for months during that little time frame

  15. I dont know what the big deal is… Who here wouldnt do the same thing?

    A group of punks stole his property and he gave one of them a shiner! The ‘kill your family’ statement was in the heat of the moment… who hasnt been in a fight where you’ve threatened to kill someone?

    That being said, I hope the Bills get rid of him. Not because of this incident, but because you dont throw your QB under the bus. Why anyone hired him after the debacle with the Bears is mind blowing.

  16. barsfordays says:
    Jul 13, 2015 11:07 AM
    He punched a kid? Big man big man. Will probably get suspended 1 or 2 games. The whole year if he smoked a joint though…. lmao!
    ___________________________________

    Who knows? These “minors” may look like a 17 year old version of JJ Watt.

    …OR I guess they could be a 13 year old nerd. Point is we don’t know the facts surrounding this.

  17. Yeah, ok, realfootballfan.

    Please show me where anyone is saying anything about those poor boys just wanting to steal a chair…anything. It’s not there.

    A grown man approached young men and decided that the only way to handle the atrocity bestowed on him was to shove to the ground, punch and threaten death on the families. Defending that is just silly.

    Plenty of really good parents have good children that make poor choices from time to time. A poor choice from a child is not then worthy of a much worse choice by a grown man. Such a poor choice that his own son stayed back to help the situation.

    I promise you, that if you or anyone else tried to handle a situation like this with one of my children it would end very very poorly for you….well except for the fact that it wouldn’t be the cops getting called. I guess you’d like that part..

  18. Can’t wait for the morons to turn this into a chance to bash Rex Ryan. Gotta love the trolls who say “shut up til the season starts” when Rex answers questions which he’s asked- but ironically have no issue proclaiming how terrible the Bills are before the season even has started

    Let’s all wait for the season to start. And that justice is found for all parities involved in this incident- because all sides are guilty to some degree it would appear. Kromer more so than anyone else.

  19. redrobots44 says:
    Jul 13, 2015 11:20 AM

    “Stole his property” is a harsh way to describe kids finding some chairs left by the boardwalk and using them while they fish. Did he ask for them back, or just flip out? That’s the question……
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    I don’t recall seeing a statement that the chairs were by the ocean.
    This is the same kind of mentality where people say “you should have locked your car doors if you didn’t want your valuables stolen.”
    The onus is on people to not do bad things. Taking what isn’t yours is bad. Why do you think “Bait Car” is not only legal, but a TV show?

  20. So in the AFC East you have teams where coaches beat up minors, coaches that trip opponents when they run by the sideline, and another team that has coaches and players cheat and seems to encourage it. Looks like the Dolphins are the only team that has any class in that division.
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    I was with you until that last sentence…….(Suh)…..

    Best Regards

  21. Kromer is a coach for the Bills… With that said he’s not going to win much of anything so I guess he figured he better just go ahead and win a fight with a minor to get one in the “W” column…

  22. For people defending Kromer. You don’t go around assaulting people. You especially don’t go around assaulting minors. A grown man assaulting women or children never looks good.

    I’m not even sure how Kromer can claim this is self defense. He never indicated the minors attacked him in everything I’ve read.

  23. All I can say is THANK GOD he was not a responsible gun owner and had his gun with him. With this rage who knows what might have happened.

  24. I hope there’s more to it than what has been reported. I think we have a right to protect ourselves and our property. But threatening their lives and the lives of their families. Thats over the top. Was at a school safety symposium a couple of months ago. They taught that if you hear anyone threaten to kill somebody, don’t even think about it, call 911. Unfortunately recent history has shown those are no longer idle threats.

  25. It does show a bit of the hypocrisy in our laws. In many states, if someone even wanders accidentally onto your property, you can immediately shoot them without reprisal. But if you actually confront someone who has taken something that’s yours and don’t permanently injure them in any way, you become the bad guy.

    Of course, we still don’t know the full story of this case, but it’s interesting.

  26. “We still haven’t heard much from the Bills or anything from the league on Kromer’s status.”

    Come on, Bills and NFL. If there’s one thing we’ve learned over the last few years, it’s that when investigations aren’t rushed and opinion-makers don’t rush to judgment, the public doesn’t get worked into a frenzy. The media needs the public to be in a frenzy, or they don’t get to have jobs. It’s really simple.

  27. I wonder if the Bills have “buyer’s remorse” now?

    Seriously, Kromer clearly has a problem appropriately handling his emotions. Last season he also had to make a “tearful apology” to the Bears after bashing Cutler “anonymously” to the media – of course, what he bashed Cutler for was his failure to audible out of the very same crappy dumb run plays HE HIMSELF (Kromer) had called to begin with.

    Kromer is a dolt.

    And from the sounds of it, the son seems more mature, reasonable and responsible than the father. Who is the adult here?

    One last thing – I can tell you this much: I don’t care who he is – had that man laid a hand on one of my kids in ANY way – or threatened me/my family directly or indirectly – he would’ve had much bigger problems than just some legal charges and bad press. Punk. (Probably “drunk” punk).

  28. Did I miss the part where these kids were officially revealed as punks by anyone of significance? Sounds to me these kids just wanted to hang out and do some late night fishing, they found a few chairs that were left out and used them. Next thing some football coach shows up, assaults them, threatens their families and storms off – later claiming self defense…A claim that has no validity considering the coach’s son stayed behind to give assistance to the kids after his father tossed their property into nearby water. The fact that people are defending this coach for not considering a better way to handle the situation may speak more about the people doing the defending.

  29. There was that report from a ‘source’/Kromer himself that it was night and it was hard to tell what was going on. Can’t have been that dark if two eyewitnesses could see him punch a kid.

  30. I get some of the sentiment that he was just reacting to having his property stolen as nobody wants to lose their items to thievery.

    However we live in a society that treats children a certain way until we deem them to be responsible enough to be adults. That’s just how our society operates. If we want to have a discussion about the merits of doing so, that’s fine. But Kromer lives in said society at the moment and we have decided as a community that minors are going to do dumb things and have built in a system of give and take to accommodate that. Which means that as a grown man you don’t get to go around punching kids in the eye socket over a stolen lawn chair while threatening to murder their entire family.

    And to the poster or posters who keeps bringing up the “fishing knives” that may or may not have existed as some kind of justification – so you’re saying these brutal chair thieves were armed to the teeth so it was justified that Kromer escalated the situation while also putting his own son in danger? Be careful about the straw men you set up with your arguments.

    Kromer should be fired. It’s 2015, not the Wild West.

  31. The last time I punched a kid (man-child, minor or 11 year old) in the face for stealing something that belonged to me —– NEVER.

    I guess I should be more aggressive when dealing with children?

    No laughing matter, of course. First it was Doug Baldwin Jr talking confederate flag in Pensacola Fl.
    Now its this knuckle head losing his control in Walton County.

    North West Florida can not catch a break.

  32. athwartships says:
    Jul 13, 2015 11:23 AM
    Nothing I have read justifies a grown man punching a child in the face.

    Those defending his actions are just ignorant.
    ********************************************
    Exactly, a grown man punched a child in the face.

    That’s it, and hopefully that’s all for Kromer in the NFL.

  33. kevpft says:
    Jul 13, 2015 11:33 AM
    It does show a bit of the hypocrisy in our laws. In many states, if someone even wanders accidentally onto your property, you can immediately shoot them without reprisal. But if you actually confront someone who has taken something that’s yours and don’t permanently injure them in any way, you become the bad guy.

    Of course, we still don’t know the full story of this case, but it’s interesting.
    —–

    Sounds like you are suggesting the Kroomer should have shoot these kids, instead of confronting them?

  34. If my teenage son and his friends were stealing from someone’s home at 2 am, I would rather the owner caught them and punched them in the eye than call the cops. Then again, I am not a good judge here, as there are many times I wonder if I would rather be dead than live in the current version of America.

  35. My son played HS football for Lake Travis in Tx. Some of those 16-17yo’s are some of the biggest humans I’ve ever seen. Google Lake Travis HS gym/workout room.

  36. Only one thing lets you think you can punch other people’s children, privilege…

    And not the kind of privilege he gets for working for an NFL team

  37. He sounds like the perfect O-line coach for the team that has now signed Richie Incognito.

  38. jchipwood says:
    Jul 13, 2015 11:12 AM

    So in the AFC East you have teams where coaches beat up minors, coaches that trip opponents when they run by the sideline, and another team that has coaches and players cheat and seems to encourage it. Looks like the Dolphins are the only team that has any class in that division.

    ———–

    must be why they went out and signed suh, then, huh?

  39. (1) How old were the kids?
    (2) Did this occur on his property?
    (3) Was anything stolen or not?
    (4) What was Kromer thinking? If he was preventing a theft he should have stopped it and called the authorities himself.

  40. athwartships says:
    Jul 13, 2015 11:23 AM
    Nothing I have read justifies a grown man punching a child in the face.

    __________________________

    Nowhere is it reported the punk was a child.

    Just like media make up facts.

    A grown man punched a punk who was stealing his property. If that was my kid I would have punched the other eye.

  41. The problem here is nobody cares that the three punks were breaking the law. But we as a society have to coddle our youth as they can never do anything wrong so they are the victim. The parents for these three punks did an outstanding job must make the whole country proud.

  42. From the report, nothing was stolen and the kids were not on Kromer’s property. Kids were just sitting in chairs that were left by the beach access.

    Talk about an overreaction. The fact that Kromer didn’t call police himself and his son went back to help them look for the fishing pole tells me Kromer was probably in the wrong.

  43. Sounds like they were using them pretty much directly behind his house. No need to threaten the family but the kid learned a good lesson that might actually save his life one day…… If it is not yours leave it alone.

    How old were the kids, punching a 16,17 year old smart mouth is one thing but 12, 15 years old is another. Sounds like these aren’t really bad kids, just borrowed a chair and were fishing. They should not have took them.
    He will be punished as he punished one and sure the parents will take care of the rest. Its over, move on, no big deal.

    This will cost him much, much more than the cheap lawn chairs did.

  44. Saying the kids “stole” the beach chairs is a bit of a stretch. They were using the beach chairs on the beach after the chairs had been left by the beach access. Its not like they took the chairs and were caught running off with them.

  45. As a Patriots fan, it would be easy for me to take a cheap shot at the Bills. I’m not going to do that. They embarrass themselves enough on the field whatever they play us.

    But if this were a Patriots coach, this would probably shut down the Internet. Funny how that works, huh?

  46. The article says, “Most of the document which was released was redacted, but the report did state that two witnesses backed up the statement that Kromer hit one boy.”

    Who were the two witnesses that backed up the statement that Kromer hit one minor? Did any other witnesses back up the statement that Kromer threatened to kill the minor’s family and, if so, who were they? Without the answers to these two questions, I don’t know how anyone can judge Kromer.

  47. So in the AFC East you have teams where coaches beat up minors, coaches that trip opponents when they run by the sideline, and another team that has coaches and players cheat and seems to encourage it. Looks like the Dolphins are the only team that has any class in that division.

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    Nope. Your Hall of Fame coach Don Shula is probably the most low class member of the entire hall. He is supposed to be in ambassador of the game. But as Bill Belichick is breaking all of his records, Shula spouts off and called him Beli cheat … then a few months later he publicly stated that they didn’t need to deflate footballs to win games.

    You call that class?

    Sounds more like a spineless, childish punk to me.

  48. So how did the kids fishing pole end up in the water? Did Kromer toss it in the drink? LOL!

    I will tell you this. If the guy punched my kid he would be ruing the day when I caught up with him…

  49. ***So in the AFC East you have teams where coaches beat up minors, coaches that trip opponents when they run by the sideline, and another team that has coaches and players cheat and seems to encourage it. Looks like the Dolphins are the only team that has any class in that division.***

    why do people seem to selectively forget the LolPhins purchased illegal audio of Bradys audibles and cadences from a third party source and ended up shutting the Pats out. Zakk Thomas at the time laughed on tv and even said “We knew everything that was coming.” How is that not the most egregious form of blatant cheating ever?

  50. kevpft says:
    Jul 13, 2015 11:33 AM
    It does show a bit of the hypocrisy in our laws. In many states, if someone even wanders accidentally onto your property, you can immediately shoot them without reprisal. But if you actually confront someone who has taken something that’s yours and don’t permanently injure them in any way, you become the bad guy.

    Of course, we still don’t know the full story of this case, but it’s interesting.

    ————

    That is just plain ignorant. In no state can you shoot someone for simply walking onto your property. Entering the home yes, stepping onto the grass? You cant possibly believe that…..

  51. None of us knows all the details, but were these kids fishing…FISHING, the hoodlums!…really trying to “steal” the chairs, or just using them without asking?

    It seems clear to me that neither party was in the right here. They may have been acting like punks, but he clearly over reacted. And no, my dad had a temper and wasn’t afraid to spank us growing up, but he would NOT have punched me in the eye if I’d done something similar with my friends.

    I don’t think Kromer should lose his job for this, and the kids shouldn’t be treated like innocent victims.

  52. ROFL i love the clowns trying to defend this guy. But they stole property!! But they were punk kids! But but but…

    Laughable.

    This guy threw away his freedom, money (once the lawsuit comes) and probably his career over a BEACH CHAIR. Unreal.

  53. Some of you are terrifying. Did you parents skip the “two wrongs don’t make a right” speech? Or are you all just internet tough guys?

    If someone is taking your stuff, record them and call the cops – it’s 2015.

  54. Bonerz’NPudz says:
    Jul 13, 2015 12:09 PM
    Finally a white guy doing something violent. Now MSNBC can stop sweating bullets!
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    What a ridiculous, ignorant comment. You’re right, white people are saints and are never violent. Sheesh.

  55. I will tell you this. If the guy punched my kid he would be ruing the day when I caught up with him…
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    Hopefully your kid would be ruing the day he stole someone’s property as well? Nah, he’s your kid, let him run amok and let someone else clean up your mess.

  56. Another report has listed the boys names, they are Matt, Tyrod and E.J with Matt being the one who got punched and E.J who’s fishing pole was thrown. Tyrod was seen running away since he is the fastest of the three boys.

  57. I’m a pats fan and I still don’t buy it.

    Who threatens to kill someone over a beach chair? Sounds like a an easy to coordinate lie to me.

  58. Where are all the Bills fans that comment on every Patriots article? Letsgobuffalo, I want to know your opinion on this!

    more probable than not they are embarrassed by this clown.

    the ridiculous comments that the kids were punks, imagine sitting in chairs left by the beach access fishing at 2;00 AM, fishing, we’re talking about fishing, never associated with punk activity.

    and another excuse, they may have been football kids, right, if they were this clown would not have even left his house.

    hit in the eye, thankfully he didn’t damage the kids eyesight.

  59. Kromer must have a very strong arm to toss the fishing pole in the ocean, as the closest ocean is a few hundred miles away.

  60. where does it say they stole the chairs, they were sitting in them fishing.

    more probable than not, when they were done, they were going to return them.

  61. The thieves are probably lying about the threat to kill their families. They’re obviously not the type to be trusted. If I was a cop I wouldn’t believe a word they say.

  62. metalman5150 says:
    Jul 13, 2015 11:47 AM

    kevpft says:
    Jul 13, 2015 11:33 AM
    It does show a bit of the hypocrisy in our laws. In many states, if someone even wanders accidentally onto your property, you can immediately shoot them without reprisal. But if you actually confront someone who has taken something that’s yours and don’t permanently injure them in any way, you become the bad guy.

    —–

    Sounds like you are suggesting the Kroomer should have shoot these kids, instead of confronting them?

    ==================

    Wrong, metalman. I’m not suggesting anything. Nor should anyone else, without even knowing what really happened. I happen to think those “shoot first” laws are bad and dangerous, and I’m not one of those “punk kids got what they deserved” types, either.

    What I said is what I meant – there’s an inconsistency in our laws that reflects and inconsistency in our ideas of right & wrong and what punishment is for.

  63. djg209 says:
    Jul 13, 2015 11:13 AM
    realfootballfan says:
    Jul 13, 2015 11:06 AM

    But you wonder why these young punk kids have no discipline these days. Don’t go into people’s property and steal. Simple stuff, except for dummies defending these teenagers out at 2 in the morning. Kromer did nothing wrong. If their parents disciplined them, they wouldn’t be doing stupid stuff like stealing and expecting to get sympathy, and for all the “call the police” clowns, I bet you call the police if somebody yells loud close to you. But that’s the pansy world we live in where punks steal and then call the police when they get their come uppins.

    ——————————–

    Threatening to kill one’s family over beach chairs makes sense to you?

    ————————

    Frightening, isn’t it? Look at how far we’ve come……

  64. beavertonsteve says:
    Jul 13, 2015 12:19 PM
    I will tell you this. If the guy punched my kid he would be ruing the day when I caught up with him…
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    Hopefully your kid would be ruing the day he stole someone’s property as well? Nah, he’s your kid, let him run amok and let someone else clean up your mess.

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    Firstly, show me some evidence that the kids “stole” anything?

    Secondly, if I was to hit a kid over a beach chair I would expect the kid’s parent to hold me to account.

    Kramer obviously sees himself as some kind of a “tough guy”. I would love to see how tough he acts with me instead of a kid.

  65. When asked for comment, Rex Ryan asked, “So what size shoe does their mother wear, and has she had a pedicure recently?”

  66. Fortunately, posters like beavertonsteve usually don’t have girlfriends, much less the opportunity to conceive children.

    So he’ll never understand that if these were his kids, he’d already be threatening to sue Kromer. Regardless of anything they did.

  67. redrobots44 says:
    Jul 13, 2015 11:20 AM

    The second u take something thats not yours its stealing. I cant hop in a corvette cuz its just sitting there and when the owner finds me i say “oh this is yours? ok here you go”. They took something that wasnt theres, thats stealing no matter how you spin it. He had every right to get his property back, if they stole then im guessing they are nice kids who apologized quickly and handed back the chairs. We’ll find out more, but lets not jump to saying these kids are innocent and the victim.

  68. stop saying “kids” there older teenages who are close to adult hood and should take responisbility for their actions of stealing

  69. A smart man would resign his position, say he is seeking professional help then enter into an anger management program. Bob, weave and stay ahead of the press then bounce back next year at a small college.

  70. badmoonrison says:
    Jul 13, 2015 12:30 PM
    The thieves are probably lying about the threat to kill their families. They’re obviously not the type to be trusted. If I was a cop I wouldn’t believe a word they say.

    but i’m sure you 100% believe brady played with footballs below 12.5 psig.

  71. I will wait for facts before passing judgement. How old and what size are the
    “Kids” Big difference between a 12 year old and a 17 year old. D Tackle on the football team ? Did the kids show agressive behavior
    when confronted about the missing chairs.
    Were the chairs taken from a porch or patio,
    or left down on the beach ? Were the klds or the coach drunk ?

  72. The average freshman college football offensive lineman is 303 lbs and 6′ 3″. At 17 years old, let’s assume they were all this size. Still children? My booty would run run, get the gun!

  73. Those kids were probably fans of a division rival … they had it coming to them

  74. I’m inclined to believe that these “minors” (who knows how old or big they are – they could be 230 lbs each for all we know) probably smarted off or threatened Kromer. The idea that Kromer punched some polite innocent “kids” for sitting in his chair, threw their poles in the water, then threatened to kill their family just doesn’t seem plausible to me, unless these “kids” smarted off or threatened Kromer. Does Kromer have any history of violence?

  75. @redrobots44
    You and anyone else here spinning scenarios..
    Do you have ANY idea what happened?
    Not, you don’t, we don’t.

    I’m not defending or accusing.

    Just saying it’s silly to say things like “Just using them while fishing”..

    Do we know that?
    Or did they take them, walk off with them and he came across them clearly having taken them (hence stealing them) and got pissed?

    Let’s neither dismiss his (alleged) threats nor minimize or otherwise explain away their (alleged) actions with the chairs.

  76. This ones pretty cut and dried. In the old days, Tag would’ve made a single phone call to the Buffalo owner and Kromer would be out of the league before the mainstream press could say, “What do you plan on doing about this.”

    The fun part comes when Goodell sticks his nose into it. The NFL lawyers could tell him how to handle it, but it’s too much fun to watch him screw things up beyond all recognition, and it’s too profitable to clean up his mistakes.

  77. It’s unfortunate that Aaron Kromer let these young kids get under his skin, because while stealing is wrong so is taking the law in your hands. Aaron Kromer, has a responsibility to Buffalo Bills owners and his team mates plus his son was also in danger from a reaction that could have been far worse. Putting his son in an uncomfortable situation and handling it poorly. Calling the police and buy new chairs would have been the best way to deal with dumb action of some kids, he can afford it. Losing his temper in public with some kids shows that he may have to manage his temper.

  78. we are only hearing one side of the story here, the kids that were stealing his chairs and threatening him at 2AM at his residence stated that Kromer said “I will kill your family if you say anything”…..that is not fact. For all we know these minors could be as big or bigger than Kromer

  79. The way some of you are condoning a 6’4″ 280 pound man punching a kid over alleged theft (his words) of beach chairs and “defending your property”, I’m surprised you didn’t advocate shooting the kids with guns

  80. “realfootballfan says:
    Jul 13, 2015 11:06 AM
    But you wonder why these young punk kids have no discipline these days. Don’t go into people’s property and steal. Simple stuff, except for dummies defending these teenagers out at 2 in the morning. Kromer did nothing wrong”

    Wait….Kromer did nothing wrong? A 48 year old punching a minor in the face for taking his chair??
    The kid may not be innocent – but that’s a long way from Kromer doing nothing wrong.

  81. Kromer wasn’t defending his family, his home, his car, or anything remotely valuable. He was defending beach chairs. Does he have a right to be upset, to confront these kids about it? Sure. Are some beach chairs worth getting into a physical altercation and threatening to kill someone’s family over? Only if they were gold or diamond encrusted… and even then, it’s stuff. Stuff can be replaced.

  82. Threatening to kill one’s family over beach chairs makes sense to you?
    ————————–
    Does the word “allegedly” makes any sense to you?

  83. “Wait….Kromer did nothing wrong? A 48 year old punching a minor in the face for taking his chair??
    The kid may not be innocent – but that’s a long way from Kromer doing nothing wrong.”

    ———————————————————-

    He confronted 3 “minors” at 2 AM stealing his property and the “minors became “belligerent” towards him and one “minor” ended up getting hit.

    I would like to see you in that situation, at 17 I was 6-2 220lbs, a legal minor that could inflict major harm. Kromer was well within his rights to defend himself, his property, and his family.

  84. Message to punks: mess with the wrong person and you might just get planted like a tulip.

  85. kennyx says:
    Jul 13, 2015 11:23 AM

    who hasnt been in a fight where you’ve threatened to kill someone?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Me. I have never been in a fight where I threatened someone’s life. Because I am not a wild animal.

    Let’s look at this situation critically.

    Yes, these chairs did not belong to the teenage boys in question. The fact that it was 2 AM, and the chairs were in a place that was easily accessible, not likely to be used, and easily returned could very well have factored into a decision to (in the mind of a teen) borrow them. But, let’s assume that the kids were not “borrowing” the chairs but keeping them. Quickly browsing the website of a popular retailer, beach chairs run between $10 and $30. So at most you are looking at theft under $100.

    Was the response of Kromer in proportion to the crime? Personally, I would say that the use of physical violence, as well as a possible threat of life, is slightly out of line with the severity of the act it was in response to. It is unreasonable in modern society to just start throwing punches, especially over something as insignificant as using some chairs without asking.

  86. “At that point, Kromer’s son reportedly talked to the boys and helped them look for the fishing pole which was thrown into the ocean.”

    That doesn’t make any sense at all if these kids were being threatening and outright stole the chairs. However, according to the sheriff’s reports the chairs had been left at one of the entrances to the beach unattended. If you’ve ever been to that area stuff gets left at the beach all the time and people will use the deserted stuff.

  87. Before I jump to conclusions how old are these “boys” exactly? I know the media loves to coddle 17-20 year old men by referring to them as harmless little “boys”.

  88. ecarlso8 says:
    Jul 13, 2015 1:45 PM
    “Wait….Kromer did nothing wrong? A 48 year old punching a minor in the face for taking his chair??
    The kid may not be innocent – but that’s a long way from Kromer doing nothing wrong.”

    ———————————————————-

    He confronted 3 “minors” at 2 AM stealing his property and the “minors became “belligerent” towards him and one “minor” ended up getting hit.

    I would like to see you in that situation, at 17 I was 6-2 220lbs, a legal minor that could inflict major harm. Kromer was well within his rights to defend himself, his property, and his family.

    ——————-

    Defend himself? Did one of the kids attack him? Did one of them pull out a weapon? And if he thought these kids were a danger then why did he leave his own kid out there with them to look for the fishing pole?

  89. Just watch….Just like AP hitting a kid…
    Hit a kid, you get slap on the wrist.
    Be accused of just threatening a women, pay millions in legal fees and miss games.

  90. “ecarlso8 says:
    Jul 13, 2015 1:45 PM

    He confronted 3 “minors” at 2 AM stealing his property and the “minors became “belligerent” towards him and one “minor” ended up getting hit.

    I would like to see you in that situation, at 17 I was 6-2 220lbs, a legal minor that could inflict major harm. Kromer was well within his rights to defend himself, his property, and”

    Please. Yes, I’m sure a guy like Kromer was just backed into a corner by a minor and had to defend himself!

    And no, punching anybody, minor or not, for stealing or using your chair is not within his rights.

  91. There is nothing wrong with protecting your property from thieves. There is nothing wrong from scaring kids trying to steal from you.

    There is something horribly wrong about a grown man punching a minor in the face and then threatening to kill his family.

    If somebody thinks this is the story with which to take a stand against the wussification of our culture… take a little more time going over the details.

    We send female teachers to jail and keep them on a registry for sleeping with an 16 year old boy in her class who craves just that sort of thing. You think a 6’2 man hitting a boy is okay???

    I am not justifying statutory rape. I am pointing out that a law involving an adult and minor was broken. Stop defending this man.

  92. Also, I love the people taking the thieves’ word that Kromer threatened to kill them. Bet you’re the exact same people that when your snotty nosed kids tell you that the teacher was wrong even though they were the ones disrupting class, you’re the clowns who go to the school and complain. SMH, and you wonder what’s wrong with this country. It started with this generation that decided being their kids’ friend was more important than teaching them lessons. Oh you know who you are. You can have sex in the house as long as I know about it. You can smoke weed in the house as long as I know about it. You can steal and I’m going to press charges on the guy you stole from instead of giving you a kick in the rear for not only being out too late but stealing from somebody else. Sad, pathetic country we live in where this kind of behavior is emboldened.

  93. realfootballfan,

    It could also be that we are the kind of parents that teach our children that violence is not how we solve our problems, that expect our children to be truthful and have them face consequences when they are not, and trust our children not to engage in irresponsible behavior.

    Perhaps you should not be so quick to assume that the story of someone who would result to physical violence over something so inconsequential as a beach chair is being honest before you pass judgments on anyone that disagrees with you.

  94. This type of behavior is the hallmark of a Ryan team. Any of them, Buddy, Rex and Robbie…. idiots.
    You tough guys go ahead and defend this moron coach but ask yourselves… right, wrong, whatever…. would you risk a multi-million dollar career over some 14-15 yr old punk and a beach chair? And them threaten to kill his family if the kid snitches you off? Coach did nothing wrong but threatens a freakin’ kid?
    Some of you talk big and bad but the truth is you would expect to go to jail for this type of irresponsible behavior. Especially ignorant to a man with a son seeing hid Dad make a terrible and very costly decision. Coach is done, finito!

  95. It’s a sad comment on society when you can’t punch a kid in the eye and threaten him for stealing. Progress stinks!

  96. Punks deserved it I’m sure. Teens today have been wussified and they all need a man-up beating, certainly so when punking out and stealing others property.
    Threatening to kill the parents is rather absurd and overboard though.

  97. You “defend your property, he did nothing wrong” people are so ridiculous. He punched a KID and threatened to kill his family over some beach chairs. When I think of people making that argument I envision the “THEY TOOK ER JOBS!” type. Fake, old, fat, redneck, tough guys out there.

  98. I am willing to bet that the kid that got punched threw in the …..”he said he was gonna kill my family if I told” as he pleaded his case to the cops. I am sure he also said that he was just sitting there quietly fishing at 2AM minding his own business. We have only heard one side of this story so quit judging the situation of the story given by the kid who started the whole thing.

  99. Beach Chairs.

    No one “stole” anything. The kids went down to fish at 2am, which is not unusual, saw some chairs there and then used them. What was Kromer doing out at 2am? Was he fishing? Why did his sons help get the pole back?

    The people on this site are downright scary. The overuse of force and wanna toughness is embarrassing for any adults on here. These “back in my day…” posts about kids being held responsible are absurd…

    Back in my day people could borrow some beach chairs they found at the beach access area and it didnt result in a police report, assault on a minor, and throwing someones property into the water.

  100. khenien says:
    Jul 13, 2015 3:38 PM

    #1 we cant say he is right OR wrong at this point til we get the facts

    #2 if the kid was 17 and looked 23 (which is very common these days) then id cut the guy some slack for sure

    #3 we have no idea how the kids were toward him. If he wanted his chairs back and they were punk kids giving him crap and they looked in their 20’s then heck yea hit them, they stole your stuff! Lets wait to see what comes out tho before we say he is guilty or innocent. If the kids were like 14 then the guy deserves to be thrown in jail.

  101. How much you want to bet the threat to kill the family came after one of the kids said their dad would beat up Kromer or some other typical spoiled kid “I’ll tell my dad” comment.

    I want to hear the whole story but again let’s not forget who was started this whole mess by trespassing and stealing…

  102. Wasn’t there to see what interaction took place between the parties, one can infer but without being there or KNOWING all the facts you really can’t say. Therefore will not comment for or against.

  103. Maybe Kromer can go with the Adrian Peterson excuse in that I was raised that way and witnessed my dad do the same thing.

    For those of you going with the punk kids comments you are failing to realize there was enough evidence that the officers felt justified in arresting Kromer and not the kids. Nowhere does it state they were menacing kids. Being that his son stayed to help I have to believe he knew the kids or what the dad was wrong. If they knew the kids I would have to believe he knew they were minors as well which will really be bad for assaulting him.

  104. I don’t recall seeing a statement that the chairs were by the ocean.
    This is the same kind of mentality where people say “you should have locked your car doors if you didn’t want your valuables stolen.”
    The onus is on people to not do bad things. Taking what isn’t yours is bad. Why do you think “Bait Car” is not only legal, but a TV show?
    ——————————————

    The fact this received more thumbs down then thumps up tells me a lot about the average PFT commenter.

    They are apparently punk teenagers who think they are entitled to pushing the limits and getting away as close to scot free as possible if/when caught.

  105. Let’s say that instead of a couple chairs being left at the access point, it was instead two $20 bills.

    How many of you ‘kids stole the chairs’ accusers would have picked up the two $20 bills and walked away instead of leaving them there and walking by?

    (sheesh…..I doubt if those kids were stealing the chairs they’ be using them on the beach. more likely they ‘borrowed’ them and were going to put them back when done with them – i’m not saying that is right, however it doesn’t seem logical they were stealing them)

  106. Fire Kromer and he will be pulling out his checkbook after trial unless this is settled out of court but Kromer is going to pay one way or the other.

  107. Kromer was aiming for the other eye but now that he’s on the Bill’s, it went “wide right”.

  108. He was brought in this past January. He will be fired shortly without ever coaching a game or full contact practice for the bills. Can’t blame the Bills for this one

  109. Here’s the truth:
    Many times renters leave their beach chairs near the public access walkway to the beach. These kids just grabbed a couple and took them maybe twenty yards to the edge of the surf. Mr. Big Shot comes strolling out at 2am, discovers his chairs gone then walks up to nearby teens and realizes they have his chairs. Remember, this is in the DARK. Mr. Big Shot has to literally walk up on the teens who have his chairs because it’s dark. That’s why I say the teens couldn’t have moved the chairs more than ten or twenty paces.
    This guy is going down, as he should.

  110. Alot of people are jumping to conclusions before getting all the facts. Just because the person is a minor doesn’t mean they’re a child. They could be 17. Some 17 year olds look like men (and women for that matter). Also supposedly it was dark and we don’t know what happened before the punch was thrown. I’m not making an excuse for the guy, I don’t know him. I’d just rather wait before convicting anyone.

  111. Now that the facts are coming out, can we hear from the “He’s just disciplining some punk kids because kids are punks”-truthers again?

    So… turns out, Kromer’s latest defense that “it was dark out” is a bit moot, since the kid he punched was his neighbor’s son. Which is why Kromer’s kid stuck around to help them find the fishing pole that crazy Kromer tossed.

    Which makes the “I’m going to kill your family” even more scary.

    This loser is going down.

  112. I really really hope that when he is punished for punching a kid that the people here defending his punching kid take note.

    You want to give any man the legal means to decide how to teach another kid (your kid) a lesson… with his fists… well get lost.

    That ain’t flying here.

    If you are defending corporal punishment in this instance as a means of education to “teach him a lesson”, I hope you’ve thought it through very carefully.

    Maybe I don’t like your kid listening to his music too loud on the bus. I want to teach your kid a lesson… punch. He walked on my lawn. punch. He cut me off in traffic. punch. Doesn’t matter that I caved in his eye socket or gave him a concussion. I was teaching him a lesson with my fists… which is a-okay according to a lot of pft posters.

    Or how about this:

    As adults it’s our responsibility to deal with disagreements in non-violent ways, especially when dealing with children.

    Nah… talking is for wusses. punch punch punch!!!

  113. realfootballfan says:
    Jul 13, 2015 11:06 AM
    But you wonder why these young punk kids have no discipline these days. Don’t go into people’s property and steal.
    _______

    My concern is more for people who cannot read. Days after the incident and you still haven’t read any of the details.

    The chairs weren’t taken from Kromer’s property. They were left at an entrance to the beach. Chairs and stuff get left at the beach all the time and get borrowed and re-used by the next people who come along without anybody getting punched out. And if these were some horrible kids stealing stuff why would Kromer’s own son help them try and get their fishing pole back that Kromer had thrown into the ocean?

  114. numberoneinthehoodg says:
    Jul 13, 2015 4:02 PM

    Did they catch any fish? What kind of fish?
    ————

    “Red Fish, Blue Fish,
    Served in a dish!”

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