Chiefs, Justin Houston not at impasse or consensus, yet

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With less than a day remaining for working out a long-term deal between teams and franchise-tagged players, the Chiefs and linebacker Justin Houston are working toward a possible deal.

Right now, a source with knowledge of the process pegs the chances of a deal at 50-50, not because it’s a coin-flip proposition but because it remains unknown whether those two circles on the Venn diagram will at least kiss.

Houston knows what he needs to swap out the $13.1 million guaranteed salary for 2015 and the promise of a 20-percent raise (more than $15.7 million) for 2016. The Chiefs know what they are willing to pay. At some point within the next 21 hours, the two sides will move toward whatever their bottom line is.

If the current gap can be bridged, a deal will be done. If not, Houston will be on the books for $13.1 million in 2015.

The question then becomes when will he show up? Unlike Cowboys receiver Dez Bryant, Houston has remained silent on the potential consequences of not getting a deal done before 4:00 p.m. ET on Wednesday.

26 responses to “Chiefs, Justin Houston not at impasse or consensus, yet

  1. Hopefully they can reach a deal. Houston deserves a big raise, at the end of the day it has to work for both sides. Wanna see #50 remain in KC for years to come.

  2. tccoats says:
    Jul 14, 2015 7:11 PM
    So Houston is negotiating like an adult…..Bryant , not so much…
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    That’s because one of them does not have the team’s lofty super bowl aspirations riding on a deal or not. If Houston was going to make or break the Chiefs, he’d be a fool not to go the Dez route. It’s called business.

  3. Chiefs are a dynasty team just waiting for the 2015-2016 season to begin so that Andy can unleash this dominating force onto the league.

    Top 5 deense
    Top 5 offense
    Number 1 fan base
    Number 1 loudest stadium
    12-4 record
    Super Bowl champions without any cheating and asterisks

    #Back2Back2BackChampionships

  4. Whatever this contract ends up being, it’s going to be a mistake. His two previous years were 11 sacks and 10 sacks, all of a sudden in his contract year he gets 22 sacks. They’re going to pay him like he’s a 22 sack guy and he’s going to end up delivering 11 or so sacks per year, which isn’t bad, but on the contract he’s going to get, it will be a disappointment.

    The Chefs are not a dynasty waiting to happen, they’re a team with a decent defense, a pedestrian offense, a mediocre (at best QB) and a mediocre coach. And they just paid $11 million per year to a receiver who has surpassed 1000 yards once. Oh and they also have absolutely no cap space, well done Chefs! They’ll finish the year at 8-8, maybe 9-7, and fight with the Chargers over who gets to finish second in the division.

  5. kcchiefs19 says:
    Jul 14, 2015 7:12 PM

    Chargers 6-10, Raiders 7-9, Broncos 9-7, Chiefs 11-5
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    I don’t see Oakland winning seven games, and I’m a homer.

  6. I saw what I really hope you did there with that headline.

    Really, really hope.

  7. That’s because one of them does not have the team’s lofty super bowl aspirations riding on a deal or not. If Houston was going to make or break the Chiefs, he’d be a fool not to go the Dez route. It’s called business.

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    You do realize that after tomorrow, Dez can’t play except for the one year franchise tender. So sitting out games will only make him miss game checks. So making idle threats to the media is just childish. It’s called big boy business.

  8. tccoats says:
    Jul 14, 2015 8:20 PM
    That’s because one of them does not have the team’s lofty super bowl aspirations riding on a deal or not. If Houston was going to make or break the Chiefs, he’d be a fool not to go the Dez route. It’s called business.

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    You do realize that after tomorrow, Dez can’t play except for the one year franchise tender. So sitting out games will only make him miss game checks. So making idle threats to the media is just childish. It’s called big boy business.
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    Well then…the Cowboys better buck up if they don’t want to see their season tank before it even starts now huh

  9. justintuckrule says:
    Jul 14, 2015 8:26 PM

    Well then…the Cowboys better buck up if they don’t want to see their season tank before it even starts now huh

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    uh, NO, because Bryant won’t be missing any games…..I thought that was pretty clear, but to you maybe not so much…..

  10. Why would any young stud millionaire want to spend his salad years living and working in Kansas City, Missouri? That’s one of those places you only live in if you’re born there and don’t have the courage to leave.

  11. chargerssixteenand0 says:
    Jul 14, 2015 6:47 PM
    Chargers 16-0
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    Bwahahahahaha! Such a joker! Closer to 0-16. The Chargers won’t even be in San Diego within the next two years.

    They’ll be lucky to win 8 games in 2015. I don’t know what dream boat you’re on, but maybe you should share so we can all live in la la land…

  12. atwatercrushesokoye says:
    Jul 14, 2015 7:52 PM
    Whatever this contract ends up being, it’s going to be a mistake. His two previous years were 11 sacks and 10 sacks, all of a sudden in his contract year he gets 22 sacks. They’re going to pay him like he’s a 22 sack guy and he’s going to end up delivering 11 or so sacks per year, which isn’t bad, but on the contract he’s going to get, it will be a disappointment.

    The Chefs are not a dynasty waiting to happen, they’re a team with a decent defense, a pedestrian offense, a mediocre (at best QB) and a mediocre coach. And they just paid $11 million per year to a receiver who has surpassed 1000 yards once. Oh and they also have absolutely no cap space, well done Chefs! They’ll finish the year at 8-8, maybe 9-7, and fight with the Chargers over who gets to finish second in the division.
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    I’m going to roll on the floor laughing as the donks finish another mediocre season where they maybe make the playoffs but lose big when/if they get there, giving them more poor draft picks because they have an over the hill QB. Once manning is gone, what do you have? Nothing. You’ll be in cap hell next year, with no starting QB, where as the Chiefs will have almost everything next year they have this year, and loads of cap room. Do a little research. Houston isn’t just a sack master, he’s an amazing run stuffer as well. You clearly are just another trolling donkey fan. The donkeys are done. They had their chance. It’s going to be a time new AFC west leader for several years. Live with it.

  13. MostlyRight says:
    Jul 14, 2015 9:56 PM
    Why would any young stud millionaire want to spend his salad years living and working in Kansas City, Missouri? That’s one of those places you only live in if you’re born there and don’t have the courage to leave.
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    Really? I don’t even live in Missouri, but I can tell you have never been there. It’s actually a very beautiful state and Kansas City is a fun place to be. I’ve been there a lot. There are positives and negatives no matter where you go, but that is just an idiotic statement.

  14. Lets Get It Done Chiefs. I think we could have a breakthrough year on our hands, but we need #55 to get it done. Go Chiefs!!!

  15. This is when I am glad we have John Dorsey and Andy Reid in town. Two Smart guys. Not like some of the jokers we have had leading our Chiefs in the past.

  16. kcchiefs19 says:
    Jul 14, 2015 7:12 PM

    Chargers 6-10, Raiders 7-9, Broncos 9-7, Chiefs 11-5

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    Unfortunately I don’t think my Raiders are ready to contend to win the AFCW. But the rest of the field looks relatively mediocre and it looks like a toss-up between them. I don’t think the division winner will be better than 9-7 and it could also be the case where they are 8-8 (it’s happened before). No Wildcards from the AFCW- again.

    The Burros are significantly weaker because they replaced a quality HC like Fox with a mediocrity like Kubiak (all due to Elway’s ego). San Diego looks stagnant and I don’t see how the Chiefs improved – Maclin is no better than Bowe, they had Houston’s 22 sacks last year and Charles is a stud but has a lot of wear on the tires.

  17. “Maclin is no better than Bowe”

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    Let’s see… You may have something there….

    Dwayne Bowe —> Touchdowns: 0
    Jeremy Maclin –> Touchdowns: 10

    That’s literally 10x more Touchdowns than Bowe had.

    Yeah, Maclin is no better than Bowe.

  18. colorbarsdesign says:
    Jul 15, 2015 11:15 AM

    “Maclin is no better than Bowe”

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    Let’s see… You may have something there….

    Dwayne Bowe —> Touchdowns: 0
    Jeremy Maclin –> Touchdowns: 10

    That’s literally 10x more Touchdowns than Bowe had.

    Yeah, Maclin is no better than Bowe.

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    Of course you fail to account for the fact that Nick Foles is a much better QB than Alex Smith ever was and Maclin had Foles throwing to him while Bowe was handicapped with Smith last year. Bowe has had big seasons (like 15 TDs in 2010) before having Smith as his QB.

    I’m more than willing to predict that Bowe will have more TDs thrown to him by the Cleveland QBs in 2015 than Maclin will get with having Alex Smith as his QB in K.C.

  19. Bowe has had big seasons (like 15 TDs in 2010) before having Smith as his QB.

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    Yeah, because Matt Cassel blows Alex Smith away! LOL!
    Yeah, because a certain scheme has nothing to do with how good a player performs.
    Yeah, because since his 15 TD season (FIVE YEARS AGO!) he’s been on a tear!

    NO!

    The only reason Matt Cassel threw as many touchdowns and Dwayne Bowe caught as many touchdowns in 2010 was because of the system Charlie Weis had in place. All very short passes to the end zone.

    And definitely no! Dwayne Bowe has been on a steady DECLINE since that ONE and ONLY year he’s ever had double digits in Touchdowns. So tell me, when were these “big seasons” you speak of?

    He’s only ever eclipsed 1,000 yards receiving 3 out of his 8 seasons in the league.

    Bowe is an AWFUL route runner and is widely known for dropping the ball as much as he catches it.

    And your man crush on Foles is a little overstated… Because A. Maclin played with MARK SANCHEZ half the season and did just as good if not BETTER with Sanchez than with Foles. CHECK THE STATS. So, maybe now compare Mark Sanchez with Alex Smith…. I’m sure MOST sane people would pick Alex over Sanchez.

    And back to Foles… Yeah, he’s so good… which is why he was traded. Pfffffffffffffffff!

    Nice try though.

  20. @colorbarsdesign:

    Firstly I have no ‘man-crush’ on Foles nor do I care about the Eagles…which is why I didn’t even really bother to check the Foles/Sanchez 2014 breakdown. And I don’t recall hyping Cassel although I don’t think Alex Smith has been much (if any) of an improvement (anymore than he’s better than Foles). I do however doubt that Maclin would’ve done any better with Alex Smith as his QB last year than Bowe did.

    Why not analyze Bowe’s career (first 6 years) before he was saddled with Smith and compare it to Maclin’s 5 years in the league (including his mega-season last year)?

    In Bowe’s first 6 years (without Smith) he averaged 13.8 yards per catch (which declined to 12.2 yards/catch under Smith). He averaged 6.5 TD receptions in his first 6 years (vs. 5 total TD receptions in his 2 years with Smith). And his three 1,000+ yard seasons all came when Alex Smith wasn’t his QB.

    As for Maclin, he averaged 13.9 yards per catch in his 5 seasons which is marginally better than Bowe without Smith. He averaged 6 TDs per year in his 5 seasons which is a bit less than Bowe without Smith. And Maclin had his first and only 1000+ yard season last year whereas you correctly mentioned that Bowe had 3 (all without Smith as his QB).

    So basically, I’ve shown above that statistically Bowe’s career without being saddled with Alex Smith as his QB is statistically very similar (if not better) to Maclin’s career. And as I said in my last post, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if Bowe surpasses Maclin in TD receptions this year….because despite the questionable QB situation in Cleveland, he is no longer handicapped by having Alex Smith as his QB.

  21. Man oh man… you are one delusional individual…

    But I guess when youre a Raiders fan, you wouldn’t know what a good QB looks like. You’ve taken too many JaMarcus Russells to the head.

    Again, when Bowe had his best season, his QB was MATT CASSEL. Matt Cassel is terrible (not sure if you are aware of that).. before that Bowe had QBs such as Damon Huard, Tyler Thigpen, Brodie Croyle, Tyler Brady Quinn, and Tyler freakin’ Palko (just to name a few)…

    So, when he had these “big seasons” it was with THESE scrubs. If you are insinuating that Alex Smith is not as good as these guys (based on Dwayne Bowe’s performance), you my friend are “doing it wrong”.

    You can skew the stats however you want to TRY to make your point.

    But the facts are the facts.

    Maclin is a better router runner than Bowe (no matter who the QB is)

    Maclin is a better pass catcher than Bowe (no matter who the QB is)

    Maclin is a better deep ball option than Bowe (no matter who the QB is)

    And based on this fact:

    In 11 games less than Bowe (due to his missed season), Maclin has…
    More Touchdowns
    More Avg. Yards per Reception
    Almost as many Receiving Yards (with a missed season)
    Almost as many Receptions (with a missed season)
    FAR LESS drops

    making Maclin a better overall PLAYER than one Dwayne Bowe.

    Want more proof…

    Let’s remove BOTH players best year (with the off chance that they were both fluke seasons)…

    The outlook is even WORSE for Bowe, because now we’re saying that in Bowes 5 seasons compared to Maclins 4 (because of the missed season)

    Bowe had 9 less touchdowns
    Bowe had 20 less average yards per reception
    Bowe had ONLY 523 more yards (with 1 extra season)
    Bowe had just 46 more Receptions on 117 more Targets (with 1 extra season)

    You can sit there and say it’s on Alex, but youre wrong.
    Bowe has been on these type of numbers for a VERY long time now (not including ONE freak season)

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