Report: NFLPA to go to federal court if Brady remains suspended for any games

AP

Cowboys defensive end Greg Hardy is still mulling whether to take legal action after arbitrator Harold Henderson reduced his suspension to four games last week and that’s not the only potential court case that the NFL could face in the future.

We’re waiting to find out NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell’s ruling on Patriots quarterback Tom Brady’s appeal of his four-game Deflategate suspension and that ruling could also open up a door to the courthouse. ABC and ESPN legal analyst Ryan Smith reported, via NFLPA sources, that the union plans to mount a challenge to the league in federal court in the event the appeal ruling results in any suspension for Brady. Albert Breer of NFL Media adds that if there is a lawsuit, that it will likely be filed in either Minnesota (where Judge David Doty has issued labor-friendly rulings in the past) or Massachussetts.

There’s no word on whether they would pursue a preliminary injunction that would put a hold on the suspension while the court case plays out. Such an injunction would allow Brady to play in Week One, but would leave open the possibility that he’d be suspended later in the year or in 2016 in the event that the court’s ruling doesn’t go his way. Given the way things went for the league in past trips to court regarding suspensions, that might be a risk he’s willing to take.

As in the Hardy case, there would be other ways to pursue a legal challenge to a suspension that don’t include an injunction. One thing all avenues share is the ability to extend the fight over an issue that’s been hanging over the heads of the league, the Patriots and Brady for six months.

218 responses to “Report: NFLPA to go to federal court if Brady remains suspended for any games

  1. Wow…just like that Greg Hardy threat…I’d be real intimidated if I were the NFL…

  2. Brady will be on the field vs. Pittsburgh after the banner is revealed. That is what everyone wants, most particularly the NFL.

    It’s a shame that Goodell has let the ruling drag out, again. Overall, this should have been a 1 day issue which has turned into a 6 month drama where everyone loses.

  3. But…but…CRYBABY NATION said Brady wouldn’t go to court because of his phone.

    What a surprise CRYBABY NATION will be wrong AGAIN!

  4. Yeah! Take it to the limit Tom… The Emperor has to be over-turned again. Of course the NFLPA is aching for an excuse to force Goodell to accept a nuetral arbitrator. Vincent gives 4 games??? Troy you can’t do that. You must think the fans are stupid?
    Talk about collusion, OK Troy I want to give 4 games, so you sign it and if there’s any issues? I’ll be there to be the Arbitor.. We can’t lose…
    Let’s see how brave Roger really is?

  5. Good luck in court. Maybe they’ll make it so the legacy and franchise aren’t forever stained with scandal too. Oh and maybe they’ll change public perception so that pats brats dont have to live on message boards to validate their own existence too.

  6. paultagliabue says:Jul 15, 2015 9:40 AM

    Yeah turn over your phone and go to court

    No way fool! It’s about the process and how unfair it was to Brady. No phone….Keep up!

  7. mikermiker says:Jul 15, 2015 9:43 AM

    Good luck in court.

    Brady will win… Read the Wells report, the science proves nothing!!!! AEI and others have trashed that report with good reason. Hate if you want, but there’s no proof of any wrongdoing…

  8. My biggest fear is that if Brady hands over his phone, not only does the suspension get upheld, but then he’s proven to be a liar and it kills his legacy. I hope that doesn’t happen. Just be thankful it’s only a short suspension.

  9. Take them to court and make Goddell and Wells turn over their phones.

    Court, you know, where defendants actually have RIGHTS?

  10. As much as I am sick of this witch hunt, I am going to read every article on the demise of this agenda driven, inept nfl leadership.

    I also hope that the 32 silent, blind men are also undressed.

  11. “forever stained with scandal”

    Spygate:
    Every team was allowed to film from the end zone prior to 2007. The Pats AND the Jets were found to be doing it after the rule changed. The Jets were not punished whatsoever. The Pats got a record fine and draft picks taken away.

    Deflategate:
    $5 million dollars of league money couldn’t show that the balls in the AFCCG were deflated post-inspection, let alone that anyone in NE intentionally schemed to do so.

    Be a man: admit you can’t sleep at night knowing how dominant the Patriots have been for the last 15 years, and that the only “stain” is the guilt you feel for rooting for anyone else.

  12. There’s nothing on Brady’s phone because he didn’t do anything.

    However, it’s going to be great to see what Colts equipment manager Sean Sullivan has to say under oath. According to Grigson, he told him “it’s well known around the league… Patriots take air out of the ball post-inspection with needle”. Then he suggested that “it would be great if someone would be able to check the air in the game balls as the game goes on so that they don’t get an illegal advantage”.

    How in the world would the Colts ballboy know this, especially based on how the Wells report concludes this went down? And how amazing is it that the NFL did exactly what he suggested?!

    Let’s get this guy plus Grigson, Kensil, Blandino, Goodell, Mortensen, Walt Anderson and everyone else involved in this farce on the stand. That is the scandal.

  13. Given that the league has not even proven any artificial deflation took place, I’d say Goodell, Kensil and crew are going to look awful silly in Federal court. A court where Brady’s attorneys will dissect the Wells report with a scalpel. If Goodell has an ounce of sense, he will overturn the suspension and re-instate the Pats’ draft picks before he ends up with an entire omelette on his face.

  14. This is not what Steeler and Bills fans wanted to hear this morning. Most Patriot fans want this to go to Federal Court as Goodell has presided over a witch hunt followed by his kangaroo court.Goodell does not have the balls to admit he wasted five million $ of the owners money more probably than not and admit his mistake.

    Lets hope this could be the beginning of the end for Goodell.

    Love the fans of other teams that criticize Pats fans but there they are on every post spewing their hatred because their teams have been owned for over a decade going on two.

    Free Brady!

  15. Deflated footballs…WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT DEFLATED FOOTBALLS!

    This should have been a fine, a cut it out and everyone moves on. The league office just can’t help but embarrass themselves. This is DUMB.

  16. Everyone thinks that Tom has some damning evidence on his phone and he’s terrified to give it up to the league…

    Yeah, he had this elaborate ball-deflation scheme that he used his phone to construct with part-time game employees that he sees 8-10 times a year. Yes, Brady is the “El Chapo” of ball deflation.

    He’ll win in court and the rest of the league will whine again, because that’s the only way they can actually take down Tom. Throwing false accusations at him and suspending him over nothing…

    Beat him on the field, stop hiding behind goodell to take down the Pats…

  17. Brady’s one of the most competitive men alive. Anyone who doesn’t think he won’t do everything in his power to prove his innocence and protect his legacy doesn’t know Tom Brady.

  18. Sure mister super hero, play the legal game. If you are innocent, prove it like everyone else. If not, then take your punishment like a man. Until then, you just a little OJ.

  19. brady should of been fined in the first place. 4 games for supposedly knowing about something that may have happened? brady gets the same punishment as a guy who tried to kill his GF? what world do we live in?? this country is unbelievable….

    hopefully, they call the ” deflated ” footballs to the witness stands. just imagine that…..bizarro world.

  20. I would like to see the NFL shut down for one year. Let these guys go get a job at Walmart, and let the fat cats go back to their board rooms. No problem, anyone with half a brain can keep themselves occupied for a Sunday afternoon. I for one think it would be worth it.

  21. Partiots cheat, Tom Cheats, Bill Cheats, fans accept the culture of cheating, owner covers for all by trying to butter up the commish with lavish parties and golf outings.

    Patriots are a disgrace to the NFL.

    Let’s see the pats go one year without an allegation, one year.

  22. The Bogus “11 of 12” league statement to Mortenson is the smoking gun that will take down the entire NFL front office as well as Mortenson and ESPN… a clear concerted effort to slander and defame.

  23. There is plenty of circumstantial proof and the lack of cooperation is among it.

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    gr365 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 9:49 AM
    mikermiker says:Jul 15, 2015 9:43 AM

    Good luck in court.

    Brady will win… Read the Wells report, the science proves nothing!!!! AEI and others have trashed that report with good reason. Hate if you want, but there’s no proof of any wrongdoing…

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  24. I love the haters that say “Yea Brady…go to court and you’ll have to turn over your phone!”

    Ummm, I’ll go out on a limb and say that Brady and Kessler already know that, so your comments are not breaking any news to them. The phone thing could absolutely just be a precedent/NFLPA issue and not an attempt to hide anything.

    The more interesting question is do we get to see Kensil, Grigson, and Goodell’s texts and emails?

  25. I dunno. It’s a slam dunk, of course, for the NFLPA, but I’m gonna miss hearing the state judges going, “It’s a stupid system run by a stupid man.” 50 times. How will we be entertained if Goodell isn’t allowed to be Goodell?

  26. This is not about seeking the truth and doing the right thing or protecting the integrity of the game. It is about the NFL covering their butts once again, and the built up hate and frustration from the other NFL markets. How else can you explain how many haters jump on these boards every time there is an article posted on the Patriots?

    Maybe your team is not the reigning Super Bowl champs and your QB is not considered the GOAT. But do you really think it is right to ignore the facts and continue this witch hunt against Brady just because you don’t like him?

    Remember, nothing in the Wells Report indicates that Brady wanted the balls BELOW 12.5 PSI or that he instructed anyone to do anything AFTER the balls are checked by the refs.

  27. Guilt/innocence is not what will be debated in court. The suspension by Vincent is the matter to be considered. The cba gives the power to Goodell and he delegated it to Vincent. Brady violated the section of the cba that requires players to completely co-operate with investigations by the league. That is what the court case will be about, not the investigation.

  28. Go get ’em Tommy! You are innocent of all charges, the science proves it conclusively. Take them to court if any suspension remains. #DefendTheWall

  29. gr365 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 9:49 AM
    mikermiker says:Jul 15, 2015 9:43 AM

    Good luck in court.

    Brady will win… Read the Wells report, the science proves nothing!!!! AEI and others have trashed that report with good reason. Hate if you want, but there’s no proof of any wrongdoing…

    ****

    The AEI report was thoroughly debunked, by a Patriots fan lol. DeSarno proved the Exponent numbers worked, first time he ran them. Brady’s entire case is resting on the shaky memory of Walt Anderson. AEI can go back to helping Donald Trump get elected, hahahaha.

  30. He needs to quit with this total farce! Want to protect your “legacy”? Man up and quit assuming everyone else is an idiot and buying the crap you are slinging.

  31. seals1 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 10:04 AM

    Partiots cheat, Tom Cheats, Bill Cheats, fans accept the culture of cheating, owner covers for all by trying to butter up the commish with lavish parties and golf outings.

    Patriots are a disgrace to the NFL.

    Let’s see the pats go one year without an allegation, one year.

    so 07 and 14 count as every year. Me thinks you need to try and troll harder, the shine from four super bowl rings might be blinding you

  32. Once again typical PFT commenters are too dense to understand complex situations.

    Deflategate doesnt go on trial, the NFL’s work policies do. You wouldnt hear from anyone on deflategate whatsoever.

  33. patsstinkoftaint says: Jul 15, 2015 10:21 AM

    gr365 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 9:49 AM
    mikermiker says:Jul 15, 2015 9:43 AM

    Good luck in court.

    Brady will win… Read the Wells report, the science proves nothing!!!! AEI and others have trashed that report with good reason. Hate if you want, but there’s no proof of any wrongdoing…

    ****

    The AEI report was thoroughly debunked, by a Patriots fan lol. DeSarno proved the Exponent numbers worked, first time he ran them. Brady’s entire case is resting on the shaky memory of Walt Anderson. AEI can go back to helping Donald Trump get elected, hahahaha.
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    Completely wrong. A small part of their method was debunked, the report was not affected by it.

  34. Just curious as to what the basis would be? The court case can’t really be about the Wells report being shoddy (it is) because the union agreed to allow Goodell to use his discretion to make the decision. That means there would have to be some procedural violation to sue over. If Goodell is authorized to make the decision, there is no grounds for a lawsuit simply because he made a decision the union disagrees with.

  35. The unintended consequence here will be when the judge orders Brady to release all of his phone, text and email records to the NFL – to substantiate his innocence.

    Hilarious….by trying to avoid the penalty Brady will be proven to be the (repeat) cheater that he is!

  36. patsstinkoftaint says:
    Jul 15, 2015 10:21 AM
    The AEI report was thoroughly debunked, by a Patriots fan lol. DeSarno proved the Exponent numbers worked, first time he ran them.
    _____________________
    Hmm, I think you forgot to include the rest of that report:

    “I still don’t place any faith in [Wells’s] conclusions,” DeSarno said.

  37. mjdkid100 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 10:28 AM

    Completely wrong. A small part of their method was debunked, the report was not affected by it.

    ****

    Typical Patriot rhetoric, “oh, a small part of their method, some tiny details, just like Spygate.” If the cameraman moved 20 feet there wouldn’t be a Spygate, right? LMAO.

    Look, AEI tried to say Exponent used some crazy methodology, then DeSarno came along and said, no it works just fine. Leaving you with hoping and praying Anderson used the logo gauge and Mort’s bad reporting (like that was the first time he blew a story).

    And don’t think that IF it goes to court the NFL won’t subpoena McNally and Jastremski’s financial records…… Kraft’s payoffs will be exposed. Believe me, Brady and Kraft will talk the NFLPA out of suing to cover their own hind ends.

  38. Chris says:
    Jul 15, 2015 9:54 AM

    There’s nothing on Brady’s phone because he didn’t do anything.

    However, it’s going to be great to see what Colts equipment manager Sean Sullivan has to say under oath. According to Grigson, he told him “it’s well known around the league… Patriots take air out of the ball post-inspection with needle”. Then he suggested that “it would be great if someone would be able to check the air in the game balls as the game goes on so that they don’t get an illegal advantage”.

    How in the world would the Colts ballboy know this, especially based on how the Wells report concludes this went down? And how amazing is it that the NFL did exactly what he suggested?!

    Let’s get this guy plus Grigson, Kensil, Blandino, Goodell, Mortensen, Walt Anderson and everyone else involved in this farce on the stand. That is the scandal.

    ———

    in the Wells report, it says the investigation team asked Grigson and Sullivan about the email claims, and this is what the report says (page 46):

    “During interviews, when asked to explain the source of their concerns about the
    Patriots game balls, Grigson, Sullivan, and other members of the Colts equipment staff
    referenced the Colts Week 11 game against the Patriots in Indianapolis. During that game, Colts
    strong safety Mike Adams intercepted two passes thrown by Tom Brady. On both occasions,
    Adams handed the footballs to Brian Seabrooks, an Assistant Equipment Manager for the Colts,
    on the sideline. Sullivan also examined the footballs because, as he described it, he always
    checks to see how other teams prepare their balls to “make sure no one is doing a better job.”
    Sullivan and Seabrooks said that the intercepted footballs appeared to be coated in a tacky
    substance and seemed spongy or soft when squeezed. They explained that even though they did not test the air pressure of the intercepted footballs at the time, based on their years of
    experience, the softness of the balls raised suspicions. They also cited unspecified chatter
    throughout the League that the Patriots prefer their footballs softer than other teams and that
    visiting teams should be on guard when playing at Gillette Stadium. They could not identify a
    specific source for this information or reference particular conversations.”

    They didn’t even test the pressure of the week 11 game balls – they felt soft. You can’t make this stuff up.

  39. willycents says:
    Jul 15, 2015 10:16 AM
    Guilt/innocence is not what will be debated in court. The suspension by Vincent is the matter to be considered. The cba gives the power to Goodell and he delegated it to Vincent. Brady violated the section of the cba that requires players to completely co-operate with investigations by the league. That is what the court case will be about, not the investigation.

    ____________________________________

    Actually, Brady fully cooperated with Ted Wells in the investigation. It is even stated in the Wells report. The only thing that he did not do was provide his phone. The CBA does not allow access to private phones. This is where the NFL is going to get slapped around. When they suspended him for conduct detrimental to the game, it was based on his failure to cooperate. But he did cooperate 100% until they asked for something they knew they had no right to ask for. If you take out the punishment for conduct detrimental, it goes back to an equipment violation which in the history of the NFL has never resulted in a suspension. The NFLPA will destroy them in court. Riger needs to stop making it up as he goes. It is not working for him.

  40. rolf1015 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 10:36 AM
    patsstinkoftaint says:
    Jul 15, 2015 10:21 AM
    The AEI report was thoroughly debunked, by a Patriots fan lol. DeSarno proved the Exponent numbers worked, first time he ran them.
    _____________________
    Hmm, I think you forgot to include the rest of that report:

    “I still don’t place any faith in [Wells’s] conclusions,” DeSarno said.

    ****

    Of course he doesn’t, he’s such a fan he has TATTOOS of the Patriots, lol. But what does he base that opinion on?….. Mort and Anderson, that’s about all you got.

  41. I’m not here saying Brady is innocent or guilty but my serious question is why did Kraft agree to a 1 mil fine and loss of draft picks if he truly believes Brady is innocent? Can anyone answer that?

  42. Did the whiney crybabies really think Tom “the greatest qb of all time” Brady would back down?

    You all saw the Superbowl(s) right?

    The NFL and their Pro-Jets regime will be revealed for all to see. The anti-Pats bias is as obvious as ever. And it’s going up in flames like a grease dumpster in Jersey.

    #kisstherings
    #werunthisleague
    #dontyoueverstopcrying

  43. FinFan68 says:Jul 15, 2015 10:29 AM

    Just curious as to what the basis would be? The court case can’t really be about the Wells report being shoddy (it is) because the union agreed to allow Goodell to use his discretion to make the decision. That means there would have to be some procedural violation to sue over. If Goodell is authorized to make the decision, there is no grounds for a lawsuit simply because he made a decision the union disagrees with.
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    Since Federal court is just about Labor law. My guess would be the NFLPA will argue that Brady was being wrongly punished by his employer. Either by proving no infraction happened. Or by using past precedent of NFL discipline to show the punishment was excessive and unprecedented. For not complying with an investigation: Brett Favre received a 50,000 fine. For not handing over game towels covered with stickem The Chargers were sent a warning letter. For heating footballs on the sideline the chargers and vikings were sent a warning letter. Their has never been a suspension handed down for an equipment violation or not complying with an investigation. Brady received a 4 game suspension which is the equivalent of a 2 million dollar fine based on faulty evidence and the term “more probable than not” by the investigator paid 5 million by the League. Never mind the 1 million and the 1st and 4th round picks the Team itself received.

    Go to court Tom.

  44. As a Dolphins fan and someone whose team would benefit from a Brady suspension I still have to say it’s nonsense.

    Hey, Goodell – you really want to stop the Patriots from all the cheating? Suspend Kraft for a year or two. That should do the trick.

  45. mikermiker says:
    Jul 15, 2015 9:43 AM

    Good luck in court. Maybe they’ll make it so the legacy and franchise aren’t forever stained with scandal too. Oh and maybe they’ll change public perception so that pats brats dont have to live on message boards to validate their own existence too.
    ——————————————
    Yet here you are. Every day on every patriots themed post whining like a little baby and trying to convince yourself that which anyone with an ounce of common sense knows to be false. Be gone with you troll!

  46. Sure mister super hero, play the legal game. If you are innocent, prove it like everyone else. If not, then take your punishment like a man. Until then, you just a little OJ.

    ****************************

    Wow where do you begin with such a stupid post! Play the legal game, it may be misused at times but it is the foundation of our daily lives you know the LAW!!!

    Comparing a football being under inflated with OJ Simpsons multiple criminal activities… you need anger management or anti-depressants.

    This is about fair representation and equal treatment. Guilty or not everyone is entitled to a fair and unbiased hearing to determine guilt. The day we get away from that basic principle society is done!

  47. What doesn’t everyone understand? The ballboy took the balls away from the ref once he checked the pressure. It’s explicitly stated he isn’t allowed to do this. Plus its the preponderance of evidence statute, this is not a murder case. A ballboy left with the balls giving him opportunity to tamper (regardless if he did or not).

  48. schmitty2 says:Jul 15, 2015 10:45 AM

    I’m not here saying Brady is innocent or guilty but my serious question is why did Kraft agree to a 1 mil fine and loss of draft picks if he truly believes Brady is innocent? Can anyone answer that?
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    Kraft had no recourse. The Patriots are part of the league. They had no one to appeal to. Just like the Redskins and Cowboys had no recourse but to accept draft pick loses when Goodell ruled they violated the salary cap in an “uncapped” year.
    Kraft vindication can only be acheived thru Brady.

  49. if brady DOESN’T go to court, it can only mean he has something to hide.

    there is no other reason NOT to go to court — any games would be a punishment for conspiracy in a crime that wasn’t committed (at least on the day in question).

    > the cba authorizes commissioner only (not junior assistant troy vincent) to issue punishment. this flimsy attempt to use straw man so goodell appears arm’s length from decision to hear the appeal is paper thin
    > the nfl allowed the 2-pound 11-of-12 lie to hang in the air for months, knowing it was factually false. allowing all the participants to be questioned by wells under that cloud meant they all testified under false pretense, and any sense of fairness suggests the whole thing should be thrown away.

    the league and goodell look worse and worse at every turn, strip away the layers and there’s nothing but personal jealousies and agendas. (talkin about you, mike kensil)

  50. patsstinkoftaint says:
    Jul 15, 2015 10:40 AM

    mjdkid100 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 10:28 AM

    Completely wrong. A small part of their method was debunked, the report was not affected by it.

    ****

    Typical Patriot rhetoric, “oh, a small part of their method, some tiny details, just like Spygate.” If the cameraman moved 20 feet there wouldn’t be a Spygate, right? LMAO.

    Look, AEI tried to say Exponent used some crazy methodology, then DeSarno came along and said, no it works just fine. Leaving you with hoping and praying Anderson used the logo gauge and Mort’s bad reporting (like that was the first time he blew a story).

    And don’t think that IF it goes to court the NFL won’t subpoena McNally and Jastremski’s financial records…… Kraft’s payoffs will be exposed. Believe me, Brady and Kraft will talk the NFLPA out of suing to cover their own hind ends.
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    You have a great mind for fiction. You should write a book. “Deflategate-It’s All In My Head”

  51. schmitty2 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 10:45 AM

    I’m not here saying Brady is innocent or guilty but my serious question is why did Kraft agree to a 1 mil fine and loss of draft picks if he truly believes Brady is innocent? Can anyone answer that?<<<

    Because Goodell gives Kraft a seat next to him at the big table. EGO and POWER are far more important to Robert Kraft than the man he claims is like a son to him, Tom Brady. Kraft backed down from challenging Goodell because that would have weakened his stature with Goodell and the other owners.
    Being a part of THAT club is most important to Robert Kraft.
    And make no mistake, Kraft continues to do major damage to his reputation in New England.
    That picture of Kraft and Goodell strolling through the countryside last week was met with derision in NE.
    The Patriots lose a first round draft choice (10 year player) and a million bucks over 0.4 psi in a football and Kraft is going for ice cream with the incompetent commish who administered that punishment.
    Unbelievable!!!

  52. There are actually people who still believe Brady did nothing wrong? Do you guys still believe the “Deflator” was trying to lose weight too?

  53. patsstinkoftaint says:
    Jul 15, 2015 10:43 AM
    Mort and Anderson, that’s about all you got.
    ______________________

    So are you saying that you put 100% faith in the Wells report but completely dismiss the AEI report?

    Then tell me specifically what you got…?

    Where is it indicated in any of the reports that Brady wanted the balls BELOW 12.5 PSI or that he instructed anyone to do anything AFTER the balls are checked by the refs?

  54. schmitty2 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 10:45 AM

    I’m not here saying Brady is innocent or guilty but my serious question is why did Kraft agree to a 1 mil fine and loss of draft picks if he truly believes Brady is innocent? Can anyone answer that?

    ——–

    this is my opinion: first, Kraft never said he was going to sue the league (as much as haters like to claim he did) nor did he rule it out. When asked (several times) if he would, he always said he was considering all options.

    I think that Kraft didn’t want to alienate the other owners from him by suing the league that he is part of. It just would not have been a good situation for any of them. Furthermore, Kraft also said he supported Brady 100%….and I think he is doing exactly that, because Brady has a much better chance of winning in court. The court case won’t be about the evidence itself, it will be about NFL procedure and how the evidence relates to the fairness of the punishments handed down. Again, this is my opinion.

    I don’t think Kraft wants Brady to sue the NFL…..so it will be interesting to hear what Kraft has to say if it in fact goes that far.

  55. This kind of stuff makes me one step closer to not giving a damn about Brady or the NFL. I’ll spend my Sundays (oh wait! The NFL is on Monday, Thursday and occasionally Saturday too.) elsewhere. I gave up the self-centered NBA years ago and haven’t even missed it.

  56. Who wouldn’t love to see the word irony redefined this year?

    Brady starts the season on field, court case drags on, some time in late November judge recommends a one game suspension for lack of cooperation. Goodell mulls things over a bit, then applies it to their first game in January. Or maybe the AFCCG.

  57. scoocha says:
    Jul 15, 2015 10:55 AM

    What doesn’t everyone understand? The ballboy took the balls away from the ref once he checked the pressure. It’s explicitly stated he isn’t allowed to do this. Plus its the preponderance of evidence statute, this is not a murder case. A ballboy left with the balls giving him opportunity to tamper (regardless if he did or not).

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    So how does that warrant a 4 game suspension for Brady?

  58. Brady is the Roger Clemens of Football. Just keep lying cause they can’t prove it! Both punks.

  59. My comments are strictly for the Hardy case. In the event Hardy DOES appeal to Federal Court the NFL may also join in that appeal believing they are right in the 10 games. If that happened no one will be happy. That would take things back to square 1.

    In that event Hardy could find himself on the Commish’s exempt list until this is resolved. Given that the appeal hearing officer never really got into why the 10 games were given or what the basis was, or practically anything truly relevant.

    It would be interesting if the Appeal were to be held for BOTH sides in Federal Court on if the punishment is fair or not given the total amount of information in this matter.. that is probably something Hardy and his team do not want. Hence I would suspect Hardy will take the 4 games.

    If the NFL takes the position of exercising their right simultaneously to that of any NFL player to revisit the total punishment it may be setting a president that things do not necessarily get reduced but can be increased as well. That would decrease the amount of appeals and streamline these fiascos.

    Currently no one worries about increased discipline but can you imagine if it weer a possibility how [payers would think and hesitate before just automatically filing an appeal every time. If I were advising the NFL I would tell them to do this so a new baseline can be established for both sides.

  60. Good luck in court. Maybe they’ll make it so the legacy and franchise aren’t forever stained with scandal too. Oh and maybe they’ll change public perception so that pats brats dont have to live on message boards to validate their own existence too.
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    This makes me chuckle. Nobody lives on message boards to validate their own existence more than guys like this. Such desperation to cast aspersions! No sense. No logic. Pure desperation.

  61. they should see if the ball boys are getting paid under the table. Something is not right, because if I had lost my job to some shmo like Brady, I would be telling everybody. Some one is paying these guys to keep quite. Brady should be very careful about what he wishes for.

  62. .
    @patsstink

    For months you have spent your days and nights bloviating on another teams thread. If you don’t have facts, you just make stuff up. Have you no better use for your time on this planet?
    .

  63. I wonder what the percentage of responses here is of Pats fans. My guess is 90-95%. The rest of us don’t support liars to any degree.

  64. Look, AEI tried to say Exponent used some crazy methodology, then DeSarno came along and said, no it works just fine.
    ———————————————————
    If you read Desarno’s work then you also know that he ultimately concluded that the Wells Report was seriously flawed and undependable. He simply was able to replicate Exponents numbers…That does not validate their numbers. Science always has conflicting opinion and science depends on such conflicting opinions for advancement. However, on a day by day basis its pretty common practice to rely on prevailing scientific opinion…which is derived from the majority of expert opinions. Right now there is a clear majority of scientific opinion that supports AEI’s ultimate conclusion. It is not just AEI against Exponent. A vast majority of scientists, including DeSarno, have condemned the Wells Report findings.

  65. DeMaurice is a pansy and a community agitator in the style of our current “present”dent. Nothing he could ever threaten would make anyone even pay attention to him.

  66. Goodell played everyone like a fiddle in this one. No commissioner has been under siege like Goodell

    CTE denials
    Ray Rice
    Ray McDonald
    Greg Hardy
    Treating past domestic abusers with little or no punishment

    These were serious issues of which he was catching major heat and then he turned this psi thing as the crime of the century and took all the heat off of him.

    Notice how people now could give flying crap about Greg Hardy’s suspension being reduced but are up in arms about this – as if the psi is some sort of attack on the American way of life?

    You got to give him credit. He pulled it off like a skilled politician.

  67. The union is posturing and that is all.Let them take it to court,will only prove to get worse for Brady if a judge even hears it.This is an on the field violation and the players union would have to find some legal loop hole in order for a judge to hear the case.The players union gave full authority to Goodell.

  68. After the reduction of Hardy’s suspension to four games for domestic violence, it is hard to believe that Brady’s suspension will not be lifted.

    The incompetence of the league office continues to grow.

  69. aa1829 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 10:01 AM
    Sure mister super hero, play the legal game. If you are innocent, prove it like everyone else. If not, then take your punishment like a man. Until then, you just a little OJ.
    _____

    “If you are innocent, prove it like everyone else.”

    Ahhhh, the foundation that America was built on.

  70. whitetrash69 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 11:24 AM

    NBC is garbage! Keep taking deposits from kraft you corrupt slimeballs!

    ———

    looks like we have a cliff jumper

  71. The NFLPA wants to back Tom Brady to the hilt, go to the wall for him, leave no stone unturned, fight to the end and every other cliche you might add.

    But when Ritchie Incognito was on the ropes over Bullygate, the NFLPA just stood by and watched. Their silence was tantamount to hanging him out to dry.

  72. schmitty2 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 10:45 AM
    I’m not here saying Brady is innocent or guilty but my serious question is why did Kraft agree to a 1 mil fine and loss of draft picks if he truly believes Brady is innocent? Can anyone answer that?
    ___

    Because he had no recourse to do anything. He’d have to sue the league which would have been a gigantic futile battle. Brady has the NFPLA, so it is much much different.

  73. The NFL will reduce to zero and it has almost nothing to do with Brady.

    If the NFLPA and Brady go to court, the NFL will be exposed in the area of asset loss. The NFL views control of disciplinary action as a valuable asset. The NFL doesn’t want to risk losing control without getting a major concession from the NFLPA. Be it a larger chunk of the money pie or 18 games, the owners will want to monetize their asset. If they go to court and lose they get nothing for it, which is why it’s smart for the NFLPA to go to court no matter what.

    A week before the Wells Report dropped, the Missouri Supreme Court hammered the NFL and the NFL by-laws which are riddled with major contractions and inconsistencies in the area of player discipline. That ruling was a warning shot at the Commissioner’s power and gave the Brady team a clear path when they get to court. To sum it up, according to NFL by-laws no arbitrator can have any financial connection to any sports league, which would invalidate Goodell acting as an arbitrator.

    Get your popcorn ready.

  74. i love how all these patriots sheeple are so adamant that tommy boy didnt do anything wrong…so your telling me that these 2 ball boys did it all by themselves just because they wanted to? yeah ok

    i know its your team but sheesh, take the blinders off and stop being so gullable.

  75. schmitty2 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 10:45 AM
    I’m not here saying Brady is innocent or guilty but my serious question is why did Kraft agree to a 1 mil fine and loss of draft picks if he truly believes Brady is innocent? Can anyone answer that?

    It’s literally in the NFL bylaws that a team cannot appeal a league decision, so the only option Kraft had was a nuclear option (Federal court), which would bring back comparisons to Al Davis, and Kraft being a man who likes his legacy, really has no desire to be compared to that situation. But, that was his only option, and even then, given the wording of the NFL’s bylaws, Kraft would have to put forth a nearly impossible amount of effort for a court to even hear the case (Most courts do NOT like getting involved in private business/organizations matters, esp. when the rules have been agreed upon by all entities involved).

  76. Brady did tell his minions to deflate those balls, but don’t worry patsie fans he will NOT be suspended so Goodell can stay in good with the by GOD patsies, the darlings of the NFL!!!

  77. And Brady has yet to deny any wrong doing to this day. That says it all. There’s nothing incriminating about an innocent guy telling the world he’s innocent. He, his lawyers, and the NFLPA are taking the predictable route we all saw coming……trying to scapegoat the equipment staff and argue that the penalties should only apply to the equipment guys and not Brady himself.

    And Brady ain’t the GOAT. That would be the guy who won 4 in six years, not the guy who won 4 in 15 years. The former is the guy that called his own plays, had no helmet comms, and took hits like a running back without complaint. The latter is the guy who screams at officials for a flag every time he’s so much as breathed on by a defender, was benefited by a league that changed the rules to make QB’s practically untouchable after his knee was injured, and had a known savant in Ernie Adams breaking down defenses for him. Brady wouldn’t have lasted a single season in any era prior to the 2000’s. Biggest pansy in the history of pro football. A career dink and dunk short yardage artist. At best.

  78. The only person or persons that should be suspended is the officials. Seriously they allowed the Pats to cheat juring the whole game without doing anything about it.
    Imagine if one team got called for holding during the whole game and the other team was allowed to hold with no penalties … it’s the same thing.

  79. Leave it to a union to whine about anything it doesn’t like when things don’t go its way within the very agreement (CBA) it voluntarily agreed to. Instead of acknowledging it has bounds within that agreement, it simply runs to the courts to try to circumvent it. That is exactly why unions should be eliminated.

  80. I’d like to see T.V or any of the other league stooges given a pop quiz on the Wells report. Bet you most have not read more than the first 4 pages.

  81. For anyone clamoring for “proof” that Brady did something wrong- the NFL has never relied on “proof”. Here say has always been enough for them to declare that someone has displayed conduct “detrimental” to the league… especially when it is a high-profile athlete. Worst part is Kraft ‘accepted’ the punishment

  82. All this over some AIR?!?

    Fine him a game check and move on.

    Not a Pats or Brady fan but this is just gotten nuttier then squirrel poop.

  83. phuckbunchkin says:
    Jul 15, 2015 12:13 PM
    For anyone clamoring for “proof” that Brady did something wrong- the NFL has never relied on “proof”.
    _____________________

    Following the NFL logic, they should just stop drug testing. They can instead pick out players who “more probably than not” used illegal substances and suspend them on that basis alone.

    And while at it, they can also suspend any teammates who were “generally aware” of the player who used the illegal substance.

    It is the new NFL way, right?

  84. You people do know that going to court has nothing to do with the Wells report right? No phones will be handed over, the report will not be disputed. The court hearing will be to dispute the process. Like troy Vincent handing down punishment, and Roger being a witness and arbitrator. So stop thinking new evidence will be heard in court.

  85. I actually hope he plays all 16 games. That is the honest truth. I would rather TRY and beat Brady, otherwise it doesn’t mean a thing if you beat the 2nd string QB.

  86. bearclaw69 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 12:09 PM

    Leave it to a union to whine about anything it doesn’t like when things don’t go its way within the very agreement (CBA) it voluntarily agreed to. Instead of acknowledging it has bounds within that agreement, it simply runs to the courts to try to circumvent it. That is exactly why unions should be eliminated.
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    Eliminate unions. Yeah there’s a brilliant idea. Do some research, read the history of the American worker before unions were created. The popular assumption is that unions forced jobs overseas but in reality it was the American workers refusal to be treated like dogs and to make a living wage that forced the greedy corporations to seek the near slavery workers they depend on to make profits for the rich. These companies could have easily taken a little less profit and stayed here in America taking care of the same American worker who purchased their products. Instead they fled and continue to flee to the countries who offer the lowest cost and highest profits. That’s capitalism folks and at times it doesn’t look very pretty. Especially to those at the bottom of the totem pole.

  87. So sick and tired of all this talk about whether Tom Brady will be suspended or not. Coming form a die hard Steeler fan, I hope the whole thing is thrown out. I would rather see my boys beat the living crap out of the Patriots with Brady than listen to the boo hooing of the Patriot fans when we beat them without Brady saying that Tommy boy would have beaten the Steelers

  88. chadsmith013 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 11:58 AM
    i love how all these patriots sheeple are so adamant that tommy boy didnt do anything wrong…so your telling me that these 2 ball boys did it all by themselves just because they wanted to? yeah ok

    i know its your team but sheesh, take the blinders off and stop being so gullable.

    ——————-
    Actually, we are claiming that nobody did anything to deflate footballs…..and the scientific facts back up our claim. The Federal Court will see it the same way.

  89. If Goodell cuts it to 2 games, he has this one shot at appeasing Brady and the NFLPA.
    Goodell has to clearly state that the suspension is only for not being 100% compliant with Wells’ request.
    Goodell has to speak up about the flaws in the Wells report instead of ignoring that obvious reality.
    And he has to reference that the league could have done better in their processes (whatever they are) before, during and after the afccg. And at least a passing reference to their own false leaks that tore up super bowl week. We know that Goodell won’t come totally clean on that egregious act that was done against one of the teams. Buf he has to say something.
    If he does those things, maybe Brady let’s it go.
    I don’t expect Goodell to acknowledge these league faults, though.

  90. chadsmith013 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 11:58 AM

    i love how all these patriots sheeple are so adamant that tommy boy didnt do anything wrong…so your telling me that these 2 ball boys did it all by themselves just because they wanted to? yeah ok

    i know its your team but sheesh, take the blinders off and stop being so gullable.
    ———————————————–
    No. We’re telling you that nobody did anything wrong and the science proves as much. It’s haters and the jealous that fail to remove the blinders and are so gullible to believe anything in that bathroom tissue worthy Wells report.

  91. All I want to see is the 2 equipment men, in court, testifying UNDER OATH, with perjury hanging over them! Oh, and check the Caymen Islands for any recently opened bank accounts in their names……..I do hope Brady does take it to court!!!

  92. rolf1015 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 11:03 AM

    patsstinkoftaint says:
    Jul 15, 2015 10:43 AM
    Mort and Anderson, that’s about all you got.
    ______________________

    So are you saying that you put 100% faith in the Wells report but completely dismiss the AEI report?

    ****

    Believe it or not, no, I don’t have 100% faith in the Wells report, but there is enough circumstantial evidence for the NFL to levy a suspension….. this isn’t a murder trial. Montana put it best, pay up and move on, no better or worse than greasing up jerseys.

  93. My prediction is that Goodell goes for 1 game and states it’s for lack of cooperation – though if he’s smart he’ll do 0 games and hope Brady takes that

    If this goes to court, I expect they’d ask for and receive an injunction to stay it beyond this season

    Everyone seems to think that Brady “has to turn his phone” over to the court – these folks clearly don’t know what they’re talking about as Brady never needed to turn the phone over before – just an honor system on turning over relevant communications

    The bottom line though is that the NFL never showed the footballs were deflated. Why Brady’s cell phone is relevant to a rule violation that never happened is something the judge would quickly dispatch with.

  94. The scientific establishment is riddled with dogma, especially because of its ‘unscientific’ bias for the debunked philosophy of ‘materialism’, and it has become a corporate institution which will generally fund research only if its for the benefit of making money

  95. Wake up people. He will not have to turn over his phone in court. His phone is completely irrelevant. The court will not be ruling on whether he “cheated” or not, they will be ruling on whether the NFL looked at the evidence the had and then drew conclusions that made no sense to stick it to Brady and the Pats (they did).

    They will also look at whether the NFL violated any of the terms of the Collective Bargaining Agreement (they did by having Vincent hand down the punishment),

    It will NOT be a trial. There is no allegations by the state that Brady or anyone else broke the law.

  96. marianfl24 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 11:26 AM

    The union is posturing and that is all.Let them take it to court,will only prove to get worse for Brady if a judge even hears it.This is an on the field violation and the players union would have to find some legal loop hole in order for a judge to hear the case.The players union gave full authority to Goodell.
    ———————————————
    Well done! You yourself pointed out the loophole. “The players union gave full authority to Goodell.” Yet he turned it over to Troy Vincent. So let’s start there shall we?

  97. Goodell wanted all the text messages and e-mails about the Union.

    Come on guys, text messages and e-mails would have been found on JJ and JM phones… that’s how phones work…

  98. It’s all about Shady Brady protecting his legacy. He wants to be remembered up there with Manning, Elway, Montana, Rogers, and Big Ben. He don’t want an * by his name that he cheated.

  99. stixzidinia says:
    Jul 15, 2015 12:06 PM
    And Brady has yet to deny any wrong doing to this day. That says it all. There’s nothing incriminating about an innocent guy telling the world he’s innocent. He, his lawyers, and the NFLPA are taking the predictable route we all saw coming……trying to scapegoat the equipment staff and argue that the penalties should only apply to the equipment guys and not Brady himself.

    And Brady ain’t the GOAT. That would be the guy who won 4 in six years, not the guy who won 4 in 15 years. The former is the guy that called his own plays, had no helmet comms, and took hits like a running back without complaint. The latter is the guy who screams at officials for a flag every time he’s so much as breathed on by a defender, was benefited by a league that changed the rules to make QB’s practically untouchable after his knee was injured, and had a known savant in Ernie Adams breaking down defenses for him. Brady wouldn’t have lasted a single season in any era prior to the 2000’s. Biggest pansy in the history of pro football. A career dink and dunk short yardage artist. At best.

  100. stixzidinia says:
    Jul 15, 2015 12:06 PM
    And Brady has yet to deny any wrong doing to this day.
    ____

    Ummm…

    Q: When and how did you supposedly alter the balls?

    TB: I didn’t have any – I didn’t alter the ball in any way. I have a process that I go through before every game where I go in and I pick the footballs that I want to use for the game. Our equipment guys do a great job of breaking the balls in. they have a process that they go through. When I pick those balls out, at that point to me they’re perfect. I don’t want anyone touching the balls after that. I don’t want anyone rubbing them, putting any air in them, taking any air out.

  101. painsyndicate says:
    Jul 15, 2015 11:24 AM

    DeMaurice is a pansy and a community agitator in the style of our current “present”dent. Nothing he could ever threaten would make anyone even pay attention to him.
    ——————————————
    Sometimes it’s just too easy. “Nothing he could…would make anyone pay attention to him.”
    Apparently you did because here you are along with many other posters who are paying close attention and care enough to make your opinion known. Think man, think!

  102. Goodell has zero right to Brady’s personal phone and either does YOUR employer. He can ask. He can take a refusal as evidence of having something to hide, but that refusal alone is not enough to conclude anything. Especially when the laws of physics fully explain what happened in Foxboro that day.

    To the haters, answer this:

    * What will happen when the league tests all the game balls before and after the game in the upcoming season (they will) and finds that literally every NFL QB in history who played a game in temps significantly above or below room temperature is a “cheater?” then what? The league completley overreacted to a scientific phenomenon that they didn’t understand and now they need a way to put the toothpaste back in the tube. Suspending Brady even one game will only make it worse for the NFL, as they will have to suspend every QB next year and completely eliminate the first and 4th rounds of the NFL draft forever.

  103. stixzidinia says:
    Jul 15, 2015 12:06 PM

    And Brady ain’t the GOAT. That would be the guy who won 4 in six years, not the guy who won 4 in 15 years. ….. Brady wouldn’t have lasted a single season in any era prior to the 2000’s. Biggest pansy in the history of pro football. A career dink and dunk short yardage artist. At best.
    =====
    I would put Montana even with Stickum Rice ahead of Bradshaw and his steroids. Neither though have been in 6 super bowls winning 4 and 9 afc championships winning 6 in 13 years.

    As for toughness. No quarterback of old could stand up to the punishment that the larger, faster players of today would dish out on them if played under old rules.

  104. Doesn’t mean he didn’t ask the ball guys to do it.And to this day he has not denied asking the ball boys to deflate the balls.Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that “The Deflater” was not in reference to his weight.In federal court they can get to those texts,emails,and the ball boys.

  105. “tixzidinia says:
    Jul 15, 2015 12:06 PM
    And Brady has yet to deny any wrong doing to this day. That says it all. There’s nothing incriminating about an innocent guy telling the world he’s innocent.”


    I see this lie repeated often. He said this the week of the superbowl:

    ” I have no knowledge of anything. I have no knowledge of any wrongdoing… I’m very comfortable saying that. I’m very comfortable saying that nobody did it, as far as I know…. I would never do anything outside of the rules of play. I would never have someone do something that I thought was outside the rules.

  106. “There’s no word on whether they would pursue a preliminary injunction that would put a hold on the suspension while the court case plays out.”

    Why on earth would they NOT file for such an injunction, if their goal is to get the suspension to zero?

  107. “marianfl24 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 12:56 PM
    Doesn’t mean he didn’t ask the ball guys to do it.And to this day he has not denied asking the ball boys to deflate the balls.”


    More lies

  108. patsstinkoftaint says:
    Jul 15, 2015 12:40 PM
    Believe it or not, no, I don’t have 100% faith in the Wells report, but there is enough circumstantial evidence for the NFL to levy a suspension….. this isn’t a murder trial.
    ______________

    But how does any of the so-called circumstantial evidence suggest that Brady should be suspended? Are you referring to the texts? A guy mentions his nickname in a text and therefore we suspend Brady?

    How about the text in the Wells Report which actually came from Brady himself to JJ. They basically ignored this one:
    “You didn’t do anything wrong bud”

  109. @patriotsdefense

    ” why the NFLPA should take them to court no matter what ”

    Spot on analysis….. You have a impotent commissioner (?) trying to defend the Rice, Peterson, and Hardy decisions against the backdrop of the Wells fiasco and the Missouri court decision. If a smart lawyer were to tie a package together, perhaps as a pattern of ” rules of the shop” violations, he could bloody Goodell and the NFL significantly.

    One thing the NFLPA knows for certain is that despite Goodell having his own network, an owned network (ESPN), his own website, and army of lackeys whose jobs depend on Roger Goodell, they will win the PR battle. Goodell cannot possibly defend all his actions when viewed as one body of work.
    .

  110. Brady has no grounds to appeal. If they do, please share the strategy. Flawed procedure? The court will say you agreed to it, settle it at your level.

    Get outta my courtroom! The NFLPA is just blowing smoke. They should step aside and let that genius Don Yee represent Brady.

  111. rolf1015 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 1:04 PM
    patsstinkoftaint says:
    Jul 15, 2015 12:40 PM
    Believe it or not, no, I don’t have 100% faith in the Wells report, but there is enough circumstantial evidence for the NFL to levy a suspension….. this isn’t a murder trial.
    ______________

    But how does any of the so-called circumstantial evidence suggest that Brady should be suspended? Are you referring to the texts? A guy mentions his nickname in a text and therefore we suspend Brady?

    How about the text in the Wells Report which actually came from Brady himself to JJ. They basically ignored this one:
    “You didn’t do anything wrong bud”

    _____
    Or the texts from Brady to JJ saying he wanted the balls at 13 PSI or 12.5, what about those? Are you assuming that was code for “give me a bean bag?”

    This is the thing: Wells assumed the worst in everything, even when there were obvious more likely explanations. When there was no way to spin it to the negative, he just ignored it.

    Ever wonder why there was nothing in the report quoting Brady? They interviewed him for 5 hours, why is none of that info in the report?

    Obviously because he adamantly denied the allegations (a useful detail in any objective report) and including the transcript of the interview would make the claims that he didn’t cooperate even more absurd.

  112. “qdog112 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 1:09 PM
    Brady has no grounds to appeal. If they do, please share the strategy. Flawed procedure? The court will say you agreed to it, settle it at your level.”


    Well for one thing the CBA says only Goodell can hand down punishments. in this case he had a former player (Vincent) hand down the punishment so Goodell could hear the appeal. That is a direct violation. That’s just for starters

  113. Solution is easy if it goes to court and the injunction allows him to play. Then when it gets knocked down or upheld the NFL reserves the right to pick the games to sit out…..The Playoffs see how that would fly pick your poison. There are going to be games pay me now or pay me later.

  114. I honesly think the league WANTS this to go away or for there to be an injunction.

    By the middle of the season there will be a ton of people testing balls before/after games and they will find that, indeed, the natural laws of phyisics apply to the NFL. If Brady is suspended and then they find out that EVERYONE “cheats” by not being able to overcome PV=NRT then what?

    That would be an even bigger nightmare for the NFL and Brady would have a slam-dunk defamation case

  115. butwhatabouttheintegrityofthegame says:
    Jul 15, 2015 9:54 AM

    Brady is the goat. Anyone who says different is a jealous hater who is just making excuses for their team
    ————————–
    I can’t make excuses for the 49ers or Chiefs because I’m not a fan of either team, but if it’s all the same to you, I’m going to continue sitting over here in Montana’s corner.

  116. NFL and Ted Wells in court: We have no proof, but he probably did something.

    Some judge: Get out of my court and stop making up rules as you go along. It’s unprofessional and should not be tolerated. You lose again.

    The only winner in any of this will be Jeffrey Kessler. He will have two big wins in a row against Roger. The money truck will no longer be making any deposits to Ted Wells.

  117. jchipwood says:
    Jul 15, 2015 11:41 AM

    Why have the Patriots been docked two first round picks the last decade?
    —————————————————–

    To create parody in the league.
    The NFL is about keeping all 32 teams relevant. That is what is best for the bottom line. So when you have one team who year in year out is one of the best teams in the league, sometimes the higher ups will try and knock them down a notch to make the other teams look a little better. Whether thru rule changes or felony punishment for misdemeanors. The most blatant example was after the Pats continuously destroyed Peyton and the Colts. They changed the rules for DB’s and WR contact that had been in place for decades to give the Colts a chance.

    No one can argue that the Patriots have been the most dominant franchise in sports in the last 15 yrs.

  118. My prediction is that they sue for the sole purpose of getting an injunction to allow Brady to play the season opener. After that, the case can be thrown out and he can serve the 4 game suspension, but everybody – NFL included – wants him there for the first game.

  119. cadlow says:
    Jul 15, 2015 1:33 PM
    jchipwood says:
    Jul 15, 2015 11:41 AM

    Why have the Patriots been docked two first round picks the last decade?
    —————————————————–

    To create parody in the league.

    ————————–

    Oddly enough, this answer makes more sense than if you had used “parity”.

  120. Robert Kraft lost a lot of respect with Patriots fans for standing by Roger Goodell and not Tom Brady. To me, this tells me I need to know about Robert Kraft and loyalty to a man who made him hundreds of millions and was loyal to him. Tom Brady was always doing the Krafts and the Patriots favors with franchise friendly deals. I could never picture any great owner doing this to the cornerstone of his franchise. If there are three New England athletes you don’t screw with, it’s Bobby Orr, Larry Bird, and Tom Brady. Unfortunately, Kraft and all of his New England ties, let down one of them. No forgiveness for that.

  121. Free Jim McNally and John Jastremski, let them speak the truth on deflating!

  122. “AquaHawk_12 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 1:44 PM
    Free Jim McNally and John Jastremski, let them speak the truth on deflating!”

    —-
    they have spoken at length with NFL investigators and Wells.

  123. As impatient as I am for the day when Brady is lifted of the suspension, the longer this goes on, the worse for Goddell. Having him exposed in court, once again, in such a big spotlight, will be great.

  124. Solution is easy if it goes to court and the injunction allows him to play. Then when it gets knocked down or upheld the NFL reserves the right to pick the games to sit out…..The Playoffs see how that would fly pick your poison. There are going to be games pay me now or pay me later.
    ===
    How quickly do you think courts work? If this goes to trial it will be six months before it’s heard and another two before a decision is published. And even if the court upholds some portion of the suspension, the NFL doesn’t get to choose which games TB is suspended. He’s simply suspended for the next game.

  125. pastabelly says:Jul 15, 2015 1:41 PM

    Robert Kraft lost a lot of respect with Patriots fans for standing by Roger Goodell and not Tom Brady. To me, this tells me I need to know about Robert Kraft and loyalty to a man who made him hundreds of millions and was loyal to him. Tom Brady was always doing the Krafts and the Patriots favors with franchise friendly deals. I could never picture any great owner doing this to the cornerstone of his franchise. If there are three New England athletes you don’t screw with, it’s Bobby Orr, Larry Bird, and Tom Brady. Unfortunately, Kraft and all of his New England ties, let down one of them. No forgiveness for that.
    __________________________________
    That actually is a very good post and spot on. After Jim Kelly, Larry Bird is my favorite of all time. Loved the guy, and nobody messed with him either.

  126. It’s perfectly acceptable to hold on to Montana as your GOAT, sure he won fewer playoff games and fewer conference championships than Brady but he was still the best of his era, just as Brady, Unitas and Graham were the best of theirs.

  127. This….

    quizlingclinic says:
    Jul 15, 2015 1:10 PM

    This is the thing: Wells assumed the worst in everything, even when there were obvious more likely explanations. When there was no way to spin it to the negative, he just ignored it.

    Ever wonder why there was nothing in the report quoting Brady? They interviewed him for 5 hours, why is none of that info in the report?

    Obviously because he adamantly denied the allegations (a useful detail in any objective report) and including the transcript of the interview would make the claims that he didn’t cooperate even more absurd.

    And this….

  128. Brady has been a named plaintiff in some of those labor and antitrust cases. He’s not afraid of seeing the NFL in court, and in fact it’s possible this whole silly farce was to pay him back for prior lawsuits. Another brilliant strategy from the failed Jets employees somehow in charge of the league’s welfare.

  129. And this….

    deweygroup says:
    Jul 15, 2015 10:41 AM

    Actually, Brady fully cooperated with Ted Wells in the investigation. It is even stated in the Wells report. The only thing that he did not do was provide his phone. The CBA does not allow access to private phones. This is where the NFL is going to get slapped around. When they suspended him for conduct detrimental to the game, it was based on his failure to cooperate. But he did cooperate 100% until they asked for something they knew they had no right to ask for. If you take out the punishment for conduct detrimental, it goes back to an equipment violation which in the history of the NFL has never resulted in a suspension. The NFLPA will destroy them in court. Riger needs to stop making it up as he goes. It is not working for him.

  130. kaninny says:

    Jul 15, 2015 1:19 PM

    Solution is easy if it goes to court and the injunction allows him to play. Then when it gets knocked down or upheld the NFL reserves the right to pick the games to sit out…..The Playoffs see how that would fly pick your poison. There are going to be games pay me now or pay me later.
    ——————————–

    Yeah, because I’m sure the NFL wants to bench it’s marquee player and face of the league for a playoff game. Goodell is stupid but not even that stupid.

    Even if it dragged on through the entire regular season the NFL would just push the suspension to the start of the 2016 season.

  131. pastabelly says:
    Jul 15, 2015 1:41 PM

    Robert Kraft lost a lot of respect with Patriots fans for standing by Roger Goodell and not Tom Brady. To me, this tells me I need to know about Robert Kraft and loyalty to a man who made him hundreds of millions and was loyal to him. Tom Brady was always doing the Krafts and the Patriots favors with franchise friendly deals. I could never picture any great owner doing this to the cornerstone of his franchise. If there are three New England athletes you don’t screw with, it’s Bobby Orr, Larry Bird, and Tom Brady. Unfortunately, Kraft and all of his New England ties, let down one of them. No forgiveness for that.

    ——

    I don’t think you know Kraft or the Patriots’ fan base very well, despite your claims otherwise.

    Yes, Patriots fans wanted Kraft to go after Goodell and the NFL executive offices. But by doing so, that is contrary to Kraft’s style. As many an article questioned after the Wells Report was released “Will Kraft go rogue on the league?” Going rogue just isn’t his style.

    Kraft clearly stated it this way at the owners meeting in May: “I’m going to accept reluctantly what he (Goodell) has given to us, we won’t appeal.” “I can try to end it or extend it, and I have given a lot of thought to both options.” “At no time should the agenda of one team outweigh the collective good of the full 32.”

    I don’t know how someone translates those comments into “standing by Goodell and not Tom Brady”….but you apparently have.

    In fact Kraft has said he supports Brady 100%. Us Pats fans….yeah we wanted Kraft to go after Goodell and the NFL execs, but most of us understand why he didn’t.

  132. And Brady ain’t the GOAT. That would be the guy who won 4 in six years

    Bradshaw??? The GOAT??? No,no,no,no…..Your comments are invalid if you believe that.

  133. Right! It would be like a cop pulling you over because he thought you were not were someone else, then realizing you are not the bad guy they were looking for, he demands that you strip naked and agree to a cavity search. You refuse and are charged with obstruction of justice.

    He had no right to ask for that phone. he knew it. But he did it anyway knowing the Brady would refuse and that could be used to make the less-informed haters think that it is meaningful

  134. billswillnevermove says:
    Jul 15, 2015 2:14 PM

    After Jim Kelly, Larry Bird is my favorite of all time. Loved the guy, and nobody messed with him either.

    ——–
    do you remember that time Bird threw the ball at Bill Laimbeer’s head?

  135. paulrevereshorse1775 says:Jul 15, 2015 2:36 PM

    billswillnevermove says:
    Jul 15, 2015 2:14 PM

    After Jim Kelly, Larry Bird is my favorite of all time. Loved the guy, and nobody messed with him either.

    ——–
    do you remember that time Bird threw the ball at Bill Laimbeer’s head?
    __________________________________
    I do remember that very well, I remember pretty much every game he played. He hated Laimbeer. That dude was as dirty as they come. I also remember when Bird mixed it up with Dr J too.

  136. Larry Bird…..one of the best trash talkers ever. Loved that team, although they were one ugly bunch. Bird, McHale, DJ, Chief, Walton……ugly.

  137. billswillnevermove says:
    Jul 15, 2015 2:48 PM

    I do remember that very well, I remember pretty much every game he played. He hated Laimbeer. That dude was as dirty as they come. I also remember when Bird mixed it up with Dr J too.

    ——

    good memories. Like when Bird picked off Isaiah’s pass to Laimbeer. Funny that the video of that play always has radio announcer Johnny Most’s play call accompanying it. That was Classic Johnny Most…..he hated Laimbeer too. Laimbeer was one of those players I hated because I wished he played for the Celtics. He’d never get away with throwing elbows like he did in today’s NBA

  138. quizlingclinic says:
    Jul 15, 2015 1:47 PM

    “AquaHawk_12 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 1:44 PM
    Free Jim McNally and John Jastremski, let them speak the truth on deflating!”

    —-
    they have spoken at length with NFL investigators and Wells.
    —————–

    And that is helpful how? Where is there public statement on what they did? Not the watered down version of the Patriots or NFL.

  139. “AquaHawk_12 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 3:10 PM
    quizlingclinic says:
    Jul 15, 2015 1:47 PM

    “AquaHawk_12 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 1:44 PM
    Free Jim McNally and John Jastremski, let them speak the truth on deflating!”

    —-
    they have spoken at length with NFL investigators and Wells.
    —————–

    And that is helpful how? Where is there public statement on what they did? Not the watered down version of the Patriots or NFL.”


    The NFL is the one who silenced them.

  140. paulrevereshorse1775 says:Jul 15, 2015 3:08 PM

    billswillnevermove says:
    Jul 15, 2015 2:48 PM

    I do remember that very well, I remember pretty much every game he played. He hated Laimbeer. That dude was as dirty as they come. I also remember when Bird mixed it up with Dr J too.

    ——

    good memories. Like when Bird picked off Isaiah’s pass to Laimbeer. Funny that the video of that play always has radio announcer Johnny Most’s play call accompanying it. That was Classic Johnny Most…..he hated Laimbeer too. Laimbeer was one of those players I hated because I wished he played for the Celtics. He’d never get away with throwing elbows like he did in today’s NBA
    _________________________________
    Yeah, you can’t blow on person in today’s game, it’s why LeBron goes to the line all the time…..Jordan use to get mugged all the time (although I must say, he traveled almost every time he touched the ball). I loved Johnny Most….that call is classic…..And……Now there’s a steal by Bird! Underneath to DJ, who lays it in!!…Right at one second left!! What a play by Bird! Bird stole the inbounding pass, laid it up to DJ, and DJ laid it up and in, and Boston has a one-point lead with one second left! OH, MY, THIS PLACE IS GOING CRAZY!!! I will never forget that!! And joker65………yeah, Bird was a trash talker, but he always backed it up….he would tell you he was going to make the shot over you and he would………smartest basketball player to ever play the game.

  141. all of you guys ripping the Wells report would be the exact same guys praising Wells had he said there was no evidence of any wrong doing..

    #sheeple

  142. My best friend was a Lakers fan, and we would play one on one on his 8 foot hoop. He was Magic, I was Bird. Some of my best times ever.

    Bird walks into the All-star locker room one year before the three point contest and asks everyone “whos coming in second?”

  143. all of you guys ripping the Wells report would be the exact same guys praising Wells had he said there was no evidence of any wrong doing..

    And if Wells had said he didn’t do anything wrong, would you still be calling Brady a cheater? My guess is yes, so don’t be hypocritical.

  144. scoocha says:
    Jul 15, 2015 10:55 AM

    What doesn’t everyone understand? The ballboy took the balls away from the ref once he checked the pressure. It’s explicitly stated he isn’t allowed to do this. Plus its the preponderance of evidence statute, this is not a murder case. A ballboy left with the balls giving him opportunity to tamper (regardless if he did or not).
    ——————————

    If the ballboy was doing something wrong, or out of the ordinary, why wasn’t he stopped during the trek through the stadium, where he was seen by numerous people?

    Why wasn’t something done when they discovered the game balls were missing?

    They played a half of a conference championship game, and no one acted as if anything was out of the ordinary?

    The simple answer is that there wasn’t anything out of the ordinary, and the ballboy simply did something he had done countless times before, which was to carry the footballs down to the field.

  145. “chadsmith013 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 3:35 PM
    all of you guys ripping the Wells report would be the exact same guys praising Wells had he said there was no evidence of any wrong doing..”


    You mean if he didn’t ignore the science and didn’t focus on disjointed, unrelated texts sent months before the game in question where context was intentionally left out, we’d be praising him/the report? Yes, you are correct. Your point?

  146. Report:
    Lance Armstrong and Mark McGuire didn’t cheat.
    Gaylord Perry never threw a spitter either……..

  147. The lack of intelligence on this topic on this site and of court procedures is stunning.

    And, joker, Wells did say that the results were inconclusive. If the results are inconclusive and Belichick and Kraft are exonerated, how in the hell do you suspend Brady, fine the team, and dock the team draft picks?

    Makes no sense to me.

  148. all of you guys ripping the Wells report would be the exact same guys praising Wells had he said there was no evidence of any wrong doing..
    ===
    That’s how the relationship between assertions of wrongdoing and evidence of wrongdoing works. If you assert that there was wrongdoing without evidence you get ripped. If you assert that there was no wrongdoing while showing there wasn’t evidence of wrongdoing, you’re doing your job.

    Likewise… If you assert wrongdoing and show evidence of it, you’re still doing your job, but that’s not what happened here.

  149. Joker65…….I remember Bird asked who was coming in second…. What was even better when he let that red, white and blue ball go, the one you got an extra point if you made it…..as Bird let the shot go…. He held his finger up as number one and walked away! Classic Larry Bird! Funny…. My best friend was a Magic fan and me a Bird fan…. We use to go at it all the time. Good ole days man!

  150. So will this be on the dockett before or after the $billion suit from Kraft that all the deflatriot fans promised??

    LOL

    Should have raised more than $3,257.32 or had more than 13 guys show up at your “rally”.

  151. ampats says:
    Jul 15, 2015 9:55 AM
    This is not what Steeler and Bills fans wanted to hear this morning.
    ————————————————

    Still clinging to your “opposing fans cowering in fear” fantasy? How many times do I have to tell you how much I want your racist QB to play (and I read someone on the Internet say that about him, so it must be true, right?)

    If the Steelers put pressure on Brady, he’ll wilt like the couple or three games they’ve owned him. If he has time for his usual cup of coffee back there, then it might be a long evening. So be it. But if you think anyone’s “afraid” of having Tommy in there, guess again.

  152. sully25ah says:
    Jul 15, 2015 12:55 PM
    =====
    I would put Montana even with Stickum Rice ahead of Bradshaw and his steroids. Neither though have been in 6 super bowls winning 4 and 9 afc championships winning 6 in 13 years.

    As for toughness. No quarterback of old could stand up to the punishment that the larger, faster players of today would dish out on them if played under old rules.
    ————————————————-

    A prime example of the clueless modern fan trying to spin the past to make his guy look better. Now for the facts:

    1. Trying to diminish Montana’s career by linking him with ONE receiver who might’ve used stickum is ridiculous. Jones, Taylor, Frank and all the other guys Montana threw to didn’t use the stuff. But nice try anyway.

    2. Speaking of never using the stuff, Bradshaw never used anabolic steroids (which would cause a muscleboundness no quarterback would want anyway). He did mention once getting a cortisone shot, which was legal and still so, although today most athletes have moved up to Toradol as the anti-inflam of choice. Way to just outright lie here, dude.

    Fact: both Montana and Bradshaw are 4-for4 and never lost the big one. Deal with it.

    3. Last, and best of all, is how you actually put down the toughness of guys who played in the era before today’s coddled-and-pampered NFL existed. You have it backwards — I doubt many of today’s players (especially offensive ones) could have hacked it in the game of yesterday when it was still legal to just WHACK someone.

    Back then your linemen couldn’t HOLD, son, so believe me, most of the QBs who play today would be roadkill and probably be looking for another line of work. Especially guys like Tom “Cry to the Referees if a Defender Even Breathes on Me” Brady.

    Do some historical research — trust me, guys like Lambert and Butkus laugh at how soft the game has become.

  153. Brady makes the call if this goes further. The union always wants to take it to the next level because it is in their best interest. But that does not mean it is the players best interest.

  154. Funny how pro Patriots comments have about 2/3 to 3/4 thumbs ups. Anti Patriots comments have the opposite.

    Funny how the only people that bash the Patriots and Patriots fans are fans of the Patriots biggest rivals that routinely get the floors mopped with them.

    Funny how you RARELY hear bashing from fans of the Falcons, Cardinals, 49ers, Bears and all the other markets that are NOT Patriots rivals and have NOT lost Super Bowls to them.

    Funny how that all works … huh?

    🙂

  155. ampatsisahypocrite, it’s true yesterday’s NFL is decidedly different than the NFL of today but to say that “I doubt many of today’s players (especially offensive ones) could have hacked it in the game of yesterday when it was still legal to just WHACK someone” and “Back then your linemen couldn’t HOLD, son, so believe me, most of the QBs who play today would be roadkill and probably be looking for another line of work” is absurd. Today’s players are bigger, faster and stronger and that is a fact. Today’s player would be just as good regardless.

  156. stillers213 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 11:10 AM

    I remember way back when the NFL was about playing football games.

    ————————————

    Comment of the year.

    I don’t care what side of this fight you’re on, this is an absolute fact.

    Football is the greatest game ever created. Not just sport, but greatest game of competition ever. And the NFL is football at it’s highest level.

    I signed up to be a fan of football and the NFL. Not all this crap. Collusion, ball pressure, beach chairs, salary cap violations, PED’s.

    What has the media and society devolved our great pastime into?

    Save this nonsense for TMZ and the National Enquirer!

  157. dave399 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 5:57 PM
    Funny how pro Patriots comments have about 2/3 to 3/4 thumbs ups. Anti Patriots comments have the opposite.
    ———————————————-

    What can we say? We don’t have an army of unemployed chowderheads with the time on their hands to do nothing but inhabit these boards. And knee-jerk thumbs-down anything that doesn’t smack of pro-Pats propaganda.

    —————————————————–
    pbinpb57 says:
    Jul 15, 2015 6:02 PM
    ampatsisahypocrite, it’s true yesterday’s NFL is decidedly different than the NFL of today but to say that “I doubt many of today’s players (especially offensive ones) could have hacked it in the game of yesterday when it was still legal to just WHACK someone” and “Back then your linemen couldn’t HOLD, son, so believe me, most of the QBs who play today would be roadkill and probably be looking for another line of work” is absurd. Today’s players are bigger, faster and stronger and that is a fact. Today’s player would be just as good regardless.

    —————————————

    Just as it’s absurd for the other guy to have posted about how “tough” players have it in today’s protected-and-pampered league. Sorry, but “bigger faster and stronger” doesn’t matter when “bigger faster and stronger”has to hold up on hitting like the guys of yesterday never had to. I think you need to go back and look at old highlights. See what was allowed back then versus now. Not only that, but how many of today’s WR’s would put up the same numbers (or have their careers last as long) if they could be whacked all the way down the field, instead of just the first 5 yards?

  158. I seriously don’t see Brady pushing this. He will be humiliated in court. Nor will he take any chance of having JJ or JM testify under oath. He wants the same punishment as Farve got. He will argue the deflating rules were not applied to him, but to club personnel, and if they do apply to him, he wasn’t told of the punishment before hand.

  159. ampatsisahypocrite,
    I agree with you that the game has changed, especially on the Defensive side of the ball, but don’t you think that today’s player would adapt? Of course they would and they would come to play. I’m 58 and have been a football fan all my life and I do remember the “old days”. Cheers

  160. Dave,
    The thumbs up and down numbers are funny looking….I noticed it a few month ago. They almost seem as if someone was manipulating them or if someone paid someone else to manipulate them.

  161. @chuckshontaspads says:
    Jul 15, 2015 10:05 AM

    The Bogus “11 of 12″ league statement to Mortensen is the smoking gun that will take down the entire NFL front office as well as Mortensen and ESPN… a clear concerted effort to slander and defame.
    ““““““““““““““““““““““`
    You’re right if Mortensen has to give up that source…OUCH! Be afraid NFL be very afraid!

  162. limakey says:
    Jul 15, 2015 6:38 PM
    I seriously don’t see Brady pushing this. He will be humiliated in court. Nor will he take any chance of having JJ or JM testify under oath. He wants the same punishment as Farve got. He will argue the deflating rules were not applied to him, but to club personnel, and if they do apply to him, he wasn’t told of the punishment before hand.
    ———————————————–

    Dude, like it’s been said over and over, (ad nauseam) taking the 345 Park Ave clan to court is all about the punishment.

    To quote patriotsdefense:
    ” A week before the Wells Report dropped, the Missouri Supreme Court hammered the NFL and the NFL by-laws which are riddled with major contractions and inconsistencies in the area of player discipline. That ruling was a warning shot at the Commissioner’s power and gave the Brady team a clear path when they get to court. To sum it up, according to NFL by-laws no arbitrator can have any financial connection to any sports league, which would invalidate Goodell acting as an arbitrator.”

    Keep fanning those flames my friend.

  163. Hope this goes to court. Brady should be on paid leave until resolved just like Hardy & Peterson were.
    ===
    You mean the Exempt/Commissioner’s Permission list? The court would probably enjoin placing Brady on that list, and I’m not actually sure that that can be done unilaterally. Both Hardy and Peterson were said to have agreed to be placed on the E/CP list. I doubt Brady would agree.

    In any case, the comparison to Hardy and Peterson is specious. Both were placed on the E/CP list prior to criminal trials. The former was suspended for ten games – later reduced to four – after his plea deal. The latter was suspended for six games and until April, 15th 2015 on November 18, but the suspension was overturned by Judge Doty in February.

  164. it’s true yesterday’s NFL is decidedly different than the NFL of today but to say that “I doubt many of today’s players (especially offensive ones) could have hacked it in the game of yesterday when it was still legal to just WHACK someone” and “Back then your linemen couldn’t HOLD, son, so believe me, most of the QBs who play today would be roadkill and probably be looking for another line of work” is absurd. Today’s players are bigger, faster and stronger and that is a fact. Today’s player would be just as good regardless.
    ===
    Given that today’s players are bigger, faster, and stronger than players of yesteryear, today’s players would kill the players of yesteryear if they were playing under the rules of yesteryear. That’s what happens when big, fast, strong players play against players that aren’t as big, as fast, or as strong.

  165. @patsstinkoftaint

    AEI Report has NOT been debunked. In fact you should check out Science News as well if you want to have real FACTS!

    And for your reading pleasure may I suggest Sally Jenkins who writes in the Washington Post.

  166. @chuckshontaspads says:
    Jul 15, 2015 10:05 AM

    The Bogus “11 of 12″ league statement to Mortensen is the smoking gun that will take down the entire NFL front office as well as Mortensen and ESPN… a clear concerted effort to slander and defame.
    ““““““““““““““““““““““`
    You’re right if Mortensen has to give up that source…OUCH! Be afraid NFL be very afraid!

    ——————————————

    Absolutely agreed! Why hasn’t this been DEMANDED yet?

    If Mortensen doesn’t give up his bogus source of information, then Mortensen himself should be held accountable and be dealt with personally.

  167. Just as it’s absurd for the other guy to have posted about how “tough” players have it in today’s protected-and-pampered league. Sorry, but “bigger faster and stronger” doesn’t matter when “bigger faster and stronger”has to hold up on hitting like the guys of yesterday never had to. I think you need to go back and look at old highlights. See what was allowed back then versus now. Not only that, but how many of today’s WR’s would put up the same numbers (or have their careers last as long) if they could be whacked all the way down the field, instead of just the first 5 yards?
    ===

    Stop trying to argue that older players were tougher than modern players. They weren’t. They were only allowed more contact. Under any given set of rules – modern, 1960s, 1980’s – the bigger, faster, stronger guy will win. The modern rules evolved precisely because that level of contact was becoming dangerous with bigger, stronger, faster players.

    A 2010 team wouldn’t have to throw the ball against a 1985 team. Look at the change in OL/DL size. The modern team would just run the damn ball down the field.

  168. Pb, the past three cases were about off field issues. Child abuse, domestic violence do not alter the scores or the stats of any football game. Just like Farve sending those texts, they had nothing to do with cheating.

  169. If Mortensen doesn’t give up his bogus source of information, then Mortensen himself should be held accountable….
    ———————–
    Very true but I doubt that we will ever learn the source and that’s a shame (or sham).

  170. Judge : Mr. Goodell, the second half of the AFCCG was played with NFL Approved Rule 17 footballs with the result = PATRIOTS 28 to Colts 0. Mr. Goodell, Why did you not exonerate the PATRIOTS at that point?

    Goodell : The sting operation backfired on us.

    Judge : Mr. Goodell, you leaked false information for two weeks leading up to the SuperBowl, WHY ?

    Goodell : That was our second attempt to undermine the PATRIOTS.

    Judge : Wth NFL Approved Rule 17 footballs and under the highest NFL scrutiny, the PATRIOTS defeated the #1 Defense in the League and perhaps NFL history – Why did you not exonerate the PATRIOTS at this point?

    Goodell : We were hoping the Seahawks would win (whimper) but that also FAILED.

    Judge : Why no statement of Integrity from your office concerning the SuprBowl XLIX and for the PATRIOTS? What did you do next?

    Goodell : I hired Mr. Well$ in a fourth attempt to discredit the PATRIOTS.

    Judge : Mr. Goodell, Why do you feel it necessary to discredit the PATRIOTS.

    Goodell : For NFL Parity & to protect the Sheild – I AM the SHEILD !!!!

    Judge : OK, I’ve heard enough !!! Take Mr. Goodell to the psyche ward and have him thoroughly evaluated.

    Judge : Mr. Well$, hand me your report….

    Well$ : Your Honor, I must tell you that there is no evidence in the report to prove Brady & the Patriots deflated the footballs.

    Judge : Then why did you come to the conclusion that Brady “More Likely than Not” knew something?

    Well$ : $5 million BIG ONES – That’s why !!!!!!

  171. limakey says:
    Jul 15, 2015 7:22 PM
    ‘Pb, the past three cases were about off field issues. Child abuse, domestic violence do not alter the scores or the stats of any football game.”
    —————————
    Again…it’s about the punishment and the 345 Park Ave’s conflict of interest.
    =======================================
    ” Just like Farve sending those texts, they had nothing to do with cheating.”
    —————————-
    You mean alleged cheating. Still hasn’t been proven, but it has been debunked.
    Cheers

  172. limakey says:
    Jul 15, 2015 7:22 PM

    Child abuse, domestic violence do not alter the scores or the stats of any football game.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Playing with NFL Approved Rule 17 footballs alter the scores & stats of the game and here is PROOF: AFCCG second half results PATRIOTS 28 – Colts 0

    Want more PROOF : Supebowl XLIX, Tom Brady brakes NFL SB PASSING Records against the #1 Defense in the League with NFL Approved Rule 17 footballs.

    Brady is DEFINITELY GUILTY of something = G.O.A.T.

  173. Pb, there is no conflict of interest. He has the power to hear cases and hand down judgments. The union agreed to that. And again, the issue of punishment. The court will deal with this case only. The past, for off field crimes will not even be discussed. This is not about comparing child abuse and domestic violence and circumventing a rule that gives an unfair advantage.

  174. ampatsisahypocrite says:
    Jul 15, 2015 5:40 PM
    sully25ah says:
    Jul 15, 2015 12:55 PM
    =====

    A prime example of the clueless modern fan trying to spin the past to make his guy look better. Now for the facts:

    1. Trying to diminish Montana’s career by linking him with ONE receiver who might’ve used stickum is ridiculous. Jones, Taylor, Frank and all the other guys Montana threw to didn’t use the stuff. But nice try anyway.

    2. Speaking of never using the stuff, Bradshaw never used anabolic steroids (which would cause a muscleboundness no quarterback would want anyway). He did mention once getting a cortisone shot, which was legal and still so, although today most athletes have moved up to Toradol as the anti-inflam of choice. Way to just outright lie here, dude.

    Fact: both Montana and Bradshaw are 4-for4 and never lost the big one. Deal with it.

    3. Last, and best of all, is how you actually put down the toughness of guys who played in the era before today’s coddled-and-pampered NFL existed. You have it backwards — I doubt many of today’s players (especially offensive ones) could have hacked it in the game of yesterday when it was still legal to just WHACK someone.

    Back then your linemen couldn’t HOLD, son, so believe me, most of the QBs who play today would be roadkill and probably be looking for another line of work. Especially guys like Tom “Cry to the Referees if a Defender Even Breathes on Me” Brady.

    Do some historical research — trust me, guys like Lambert and Butkus laugh at how soft the game has become.

    ===============

    Well I am not certain how ancient you are, but I have been a fan for 40 years. In fact I don’t diminish Joe Montana – He is one of my favorite players of all time and my choice for GOAT until Brady came along. But I did watch Joe throw the ball, and who was his number 1 target? Jerry Rice. So if Rice was using stickum (and he says he was) then Joe both knew it, and threw to him plenty of times. The two won 2 super bowls together. But hey – cheating is cheating as you all keep saying – so this was cheating because stickum was illegal. Do I think it made the difference in Joe Montana being Joe Montana? Nope. But if people are going to call Brady a cheat for this allegation of deflated footballs, you can’t pick and choose.

    Bradshaw admitted to using steroids and clarified that he used them only for healing. You only have his word for what he did and didn’t take as there was no testing. They don’t let players use steroids to heal faster today so it still isn’t a level playing field. So again cheating is cheating and you can’t pick and choose.

    Now, if you think that athletes today don’t benefit from technological advances in training gramps you probably need to learn to use your computer for more than just trolling the message boards.

    you almost have your moniker right – drop the ampats and you are right on. Just another hypocrite.

  175. I kinda like Brady. Many of the trolls appear to be a few fools using different usernames. If so, I feel sorry for such losers.

    Kudos to those who make the effort to be objective – regardless of POV.

  176. Goodell knows he can’t win because he retroactively cha nged the rules to cover his own ass and his approach won’t stand up in federal court or the NLRB, and he went in wanting to punish Brady (not my description, that of the Washington Post’s Sally Jenkins), not to find any real information.

    What’s taking Goodell so long is he’s trying to create some kind of out to cover his own ass.

  177. sully25ah says:

    Bradshaw admitted to using steroids and clarified that he used them only for healing. You only have his word for what he did and didn’t take as there was no testing. They don’t let players use steroids to heal faster today so it still isn’t a level playing field. So again cheating is cheating and you can’t pick and choose.
    ———————————————

    No, today’s players use stuff like Toradol, which is WAY more advanced than ol’ cortisone. So if anything today’s players have an ADVANTAGE over the players of Bradshaw’s era. Simply by, as you say, the evolution of medicine.

    Sorry, there’s no “cheating” here. You just needed to troll Bradshaw and try to invent cheating so you could “level the playing field” with Brady. That’s the true leveling going on here, only it’s false and completely made up on your part. Cortisone wasn’t ever cheating, what, I guess some athlete then shouldn’t use his asthma puffer — because that would be using steroids too and uh, “cheating”?

    You know, hearing people whine about how uninformed and biased people are ripping on Brady for cheating — then seeing the same people turn around and do it to other players… it’s TRULY the ultimate in “hypocrites.” Congrats dude.

  178. This is precisely the threat you would make if you’re guilty and know that a for-profit business like the NFL would lose more money by taking it to court than it would by expunging the suspension. Well-played NFLPA. Well-played.

    That being said, please take this to court regardless. That way the hidden Brady texts will be subpoenaed and we can more easily find out how much of a cheater Brady actually is or isn’t.

    If Brady isn’t guilty, then everyone should know it. If he’s not a cheater, then he’s easily in the running for the greatest of all time.

    If he is guilty, then everyone should know that as well. If he is guilty, then perhaps everyone saying his career should be viewed with an asterisk are correct.

    Regardless, it’s only the homers and haters who want anything but the truth. So for the integrity of the game, take this to court please.

  179. No, today’s players use stuff like Toradol, which is WAY more advanced than ol’ cortisone. So if anything today’s players have an ADVANTAGE over the players of Bradshaw’s era. Simply by, as you say, the evolution of medicine.
    ==
    Toradol is an NSAID, you git. The NS stands for “Non-Steroidal”, which means it works completely differently than cortisone. Nobody cares if an NFLer takes Advil, Aspirin, or sodium naproxen, either. Heck… No one cares if they get cortisone injections – which are still a steroid and still allowed.

    The question about those 70’s Steelers teams is what non-corticosteroid steroids they were taking. Bradshaw wasn’t specific when he admitted to having taken “steroids”, so he left a lot up to interpretation/assumption. Was it just cortisone, or was it something else?

  180. Regardless, it’s only the homers and haters who want anything but the truth. So for the integrity of the game, take this to court please.
    ===
    And how will you sleep when a judge laughs at your preferred position and rules against where you’ve made your bed?

  181. Just an FYI…

    When the NFL announced the New England’s discipline for Deflategate, it said that Patriots owner Robert Kraft informed the league that the two staffers had been indefinitely suspended by the team.

    Asked directly at a press conference at the spring NFL owners meetings whether the NFL requested the suspensions, Goodell said no.

    Kraft was recently asked by The MMQB’s Peter King why he suspended McNally and Jastremski while claiming his organization’s innocence, but the owner refused comment for what he said was a variety of reasons.

    The Pats suspended them indefinitely, of their own volition. This implication that the league “ordered them” is just fluff to cloud the issue, like the analogies that get put forth comparing this case to others.

  182. ampatsisahypocrite says:
    Jul 16, 2015 3:13 PM

    Sorry, there’s no “cheating” here. You just needed to troll Bradshaw and try to invent cheating so you could “level the playing field” with Brady.
    ======
    Bradshaw said on The Dan Patrick Show “We did steroids to get away the aches and the speed of healing. My use of steroids from a doctor was to speed up (healing after) injury, and I thought nothing of it…”

    What’s the matter hypocrite? You don’t like it when someone uses only part of the story to make a point?

  183. The Pats suspended them indefinitely, of their own volition. This implication that the league “ordered them” is just fluff to cloud the issue, like the analogies that get put forth comparing this case to others.
    ===
    Try to keep up. There was a later report from the NFL indicating that, yes, they had requested that those staffers be suspended, and that they could not be reinstated without the league’s permission.

    I bet you still think 11 of 12 footballs were 2 PSI low and that the SeaHawks are about to score a TD to win the SB, too?

  184. Try to keep up. The story I quoted is from one day *after* the stories about the NFL ordering it done. It is the most recent one.

    I bet you still try making comparisons to Greg Hardy’s case, too?

  185. NB: If you quote, you must cite, otherwise it’s just plagiarism. But I found it anyway…

    The story I’m looking at is May 19, 2015. Adam Schefter posted it his FB page and it got picked up by Boston.com among others. Yes… Goodell denies it the next day, but if you believe ANYTHING coming out of the NFL, you deserve to be taken for all you’re worth by a con man. Through this process they have lied, dissembled, leaked and lied some more.

    Which scenario do you think makes more sense:
    1) Two PT team employees are suspended by the club in the off-season and may only be reinstated by the league,
    2) Two PT team employees are suspend by the league in the off-season and may only be reinstated by the league.

    No club – nay no employer – would issue a suspension that they didn’t have the power to lift. Claiming that that’s what NEP did is absolutely asinine, considering that the NFL and ONLY the NFL can lift the staffers’ suspension.

  186. Also… Remember that the League has used gag orders* on the Club in order to game the media, so even if NEP wanted to say, “We suspended them because the NFL told/asked us to,” they may not be able to make that statement.

    *Like the one over the actual air pressure when the 11 of 12 2 PSI low number was flying around.

  187. I like how you go from requiring quotes and cites (which aren’t likely to get through) to throwing out facts in favor of “what you believe”. Quite the dichotomy you’ve got going there.

    The Patriots suspended the 2 people indefinitely. The story got out that it was at the request of the NFL. The NFL then came out and said that that was not the case, but that they have requested that the Patriots not reinstate the 2 people without their approval. This is probably the origin of the rumor that the NFL ordered them fired, but Pats-homers are unwilling to see clearly.

    Also remember…the team themselves would require that their employees sign Non-Disclosure Agreements (NDAs) as a security protocol, so having them suspended keeps them as employees for the purposes of the NDA remaining in force.

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