Goodell: “There is no timeline” on Brady’s appeal

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NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell won’t commit to a date by which he will decide on the appeal of Tom Brady’s four-game Deflategate suspension.

Goodell said today that the decision on Brady’s appeal will take as long as it takes.

There is no timeline. We want to make sure we have a fair and open process,” Goodell told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.

At some point, Goodell needs to make up his mind. The AFC Championship Game in which Brady is accused of playing with deflated footballs was six months ago. Brady’s appeal hearing was four weeks ago. The league’s own rules say an appeal decision is supposed to come “as soon as practicable.” What is the holdup?

“We are focused on it,” Goodell said. “We are obviously being very thorough and want to make sure we consider all aspects of his appeal. We will make a decision as quickly as possible.”

There’s no word on how soon “as quickly as possible” is.

275 responses to “Goodell: “There is no timeline” on Brady’s appeal

  1. Is there a timeline for announcing penalties for the league office staff that let this happen or are they getting a free pass?

  2. Maybe at some point this knucklehead of a commissioner will get around to hearing Le’veon Bell’s appeal which was submitted ages ago.

  3. “Fair and open process”…11 of 12 Roger!..Start with the 11 of 12..tell us who put out that lie and why it has never been corrected, then you can talk of “Fair an Open”.

  4. the best conclusion would be put all penalties on hold and conduct testing during the year.

    if it shows that ambient temperature has no impact on game ball pressure, then fine the colts and patriots for playing with balls below 12.5 psig.

    stop the charade already

  5. kurdishpats1 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 12:38 PM

    We have rings.
    —————————————————————
    66% as many rings as Pitt, 80% as many as SF and Dallas.

    The chair is placed for you at the grown up table but your invitation hasn’t been sent yet.

  6. If nobody can see what Goodell is doing they are blind and it’s something I kinda figured would happen. He is delaying this as long as he can then he will announce it like 2 weeks before the season starts so Brady can appeal and play. Kraft is Goodells boy and this is all going to turn out just like spygate nothing but smoke and mirrors.

  7. I don’t understand how Goodell still has a job. I get that he’s made a lot of money for the owners over the past few years, but you could have put just about anybody in charge and they probably could have accomplished the same thing. He comes across as completely incompetent in everything that he does. He has zero ability to just make a decision and stick with it.

  8. Hey Brady lovers – check out Mike Sando’s ESPN insider article. He talked to 35 NFL GM’s, league executives, coordinators – all high ranking people and they ranked Aaron Rodgers as the best QB in the game. A couple studied every play by both QB’s last season and said it wasn’t close.

  9. Who’s “we”? Didn’t Goodell make a big deal out of having the ultimate word?

    This is just a slimy stall tactic to make it trickier for Brady to appeal. There is literally no evidence that any shenanigans actually occurred. The science doesn’t hold up. The one text where the guy calls himself the “deflator” came in May of 2014. The only thing holding this thing up is Goodell’s ego and a need to protect himself with “the shield.”

  10. I have no doubt Rodger has tried the “For the continued success and growth of the game………… to help produce revenues to benefit all the former players with enhanced medical care………….. a small sacrifice for a game that has been so good to you………… it will not damage your legacy…………. its a compromise where we will admit there is no proof of any intentional wrongdoing…..
    Don’t buy into it, Tom. Burn him. The information on your phone would be interesting. What’s on his would be jaw dropping.

  11. He’s stalling because he’s painted himself into a corner. On the one hand, he’s got legions of fans that were convinced by his own office that something happened. On the other hand, he has the scientific arguments showing that nothing happened, and a Super Bowl MVP who is pretty pissed off and demanding that he be exonerated.

    This is why amateurs shouldn’t play at being real judges. They don’t do a good job. Goodell has no background in law, and he keeps making up his own rules. He thinks he’s acting in the league’s best interest, but he’s let a trivial matter blow up in his face and dominate the news for six months. He should have nipped this in the bud in January, but he let the Pats-haters in his office have free rein. And they made a mess of things.

    He can’t stall forever.

    What really baffles me are the continual leaks from the league office about the timing of this announcement. First it was going to be early last week. Then late last week. Then at the end of the month. And then late this week. And now there is no timetable.

    Even the Supreme Court can adhere to a timetable, Roger. Stop pretending that your stalling act has any value to it other than your childish refusal to face the music. Whatever you say is going to piss people off. Deal with it.

  12. Brady will walk with a half game ban and $45 fine.

    after all hes the cover boy for the new and improved effeminate NFL.

    #UGGS4all

  13. Joke. Should have been done 4-6 months ago (i.e., within 1-2 days or at worst a month or two after SB 49).

    I know there are lots of Patriots haters out there – great success and haters of that team are highly correlated, just ask the fans/people associated with past dynasties like Steelers, Cowboys, Packers, etc. 49ers, Dolphins, etc. – but the lack of fairness, arrogance, incompetence, and bias in the league office should concern fans of all 32 teams.

  14. “if it shows that ambient temperature has no impact on game ball pressure…”

    Submit the result to a science journal ASAP. The gas laws are several hundred years old. They don’t need to be validated. The relevant law is older than the United States, by a good 75 years.

  15. Goodell says, “We will make a decision as quickly as possible.”

    Didn’t he get into trouble the last time he delegated his power to others. He needs to make the decision.

  16. Oh wait…we’re not talking about the Saints here…nevermind, rescind the suspension.

  17. Roger just do what you must so Brady can go to court and have someone with a brain actually listen to facts rather than craft a report to meet what you want the outcome to be. God he is incompetent.

  18. The timeline on AFC Championship Sunday was precise. Goodell’s minions were laying in wait….awaiting the signal from the Indy sidelines after they secured a NE football, inserted a needle, and created a desired PSI pressure that would trigger an immediate ambush. The coordination between the Indy GM and league officials was choreographed and precise. Trial and conviction occurred at halftime and all that was left for Goodell to hire a corrupt attorney/investigator willing to manufacture evidence that confirmed their predetermined conviction.

  19. What is left in the process Roger? No part of the process was fair and open. This is code for polling the the loud troll Patriot haters. He should have a decision prior to camp.

  20. “We” says the one guy in the NFL office supposed to be removed from the investigation, appeal, and initial punishment. We as in “me” I would guess.

    I’m sure he misspoke again, like when he said he didn’t see the Rice video.

  21. jtbsteeler says:
    Jul 21, 2015 12:48 PM

    haha. The ruling will come down after the 4 games are up! eat it

    You say that as if Brady and the NFLPA need to wait for the Commissioner’s permission to go to court. This is going to court unless Goodell vacates the penalty completely, and he doesn’t have the “guts” to do that. By now he knows that Brady is innocent and the science backs that up.

  22. jtbsteeler says:
    Jul 21, 2015 12:48 PM
    haha. The ruling will come down after the 4 games are up! eat it

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    Sorry – suspension cannot go into effect until appeal process is completed/judged upon. Even if he announces suspension is still in place on September 9th (not that this will happen), Team Brady/Kessler have a judge on speed dial for temporary injunction to allow him to keep playing until court process is played out.

  23. When does the investigation into the souvenirs and “game balls” Brady inscribed, autographed and gave to Jastremski and McNally to “help them out” multiple times begin?

    Please note these words were a direct quote from Tom Brady himself.

    What exactly did Mr. Brady mean by the quote “help them out” anyway?

    Was it that Jastremski and McNally were so underpaid that they couldn’t afford to buy shoes (kicks) for themselves and families?

    (Doubtful)

    Was it that Jastremski and McNally were so underpaid that they couldn’t afford to buy a football of their own?

    (Doubtful)

    Or was it that Jastremski and McNally were so underpaid that they were selling the souvenirs and “game balls” to augment their income and Brady happily went along with it?

    (More probable than not)

    Go ahead Patri*t fans… let’s see you spin the words of Brady’s own statement.

    UH-OH !!!!!!!

  24. Why is he suddenly concerned with “a fair and open process?” where was the concern when the league set up a failed sting operation and slandered Bradys name to the public with leaks they knew were false?

  25. Make your decision and unless it’s full exoneration, Brady will see you in court Goodell

  26. The “best recollection ” of an NFL referee had to be discounted in order for the science of the Wells report to still fail but it at least came closer to proving any cheating took place.

  27. jhein23 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 12:45 PM
    Hey Brady lovers – check out Mike Sando’s ESPN insider article. He talked to 35 NFL GM’s, league executives, coordinators – all high ranking people and they ranked Aaron Rodgers as the best QB in the game. A couple studied every play by both QB’s last season and said it wasn’t close.

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    Cool story bro. Who walked away with the ring?

  28. The NFL is in a no win situation. By fining the Pats and going after Brady they will have to start measuring the balls this season. When that happens how will they explain this witch hunt when the balls act like everyone knows they will… Crazy stuff.

  29. @jhein23 Dude just leave this alone cause your basically starting another dumb arguement with that. This doesn’t even have anything to do with the article at all so just leave it alone dude

  30. free tom brady by the way

    hurry up drop the 4 games to 1….then brady gets to “do” the nfl itself….he has already “had his way” with the teams in the league….now he will “finnish it off” with the nfl getting “it” in a court of law…sue goodell for 30 or 50 mill

    oh man I love brady…..I don’t know who your QB has been for the past 15 years but mine has been tom ******* brady baby!!!!! kicking in heads and taking down names……

    every time brady walks in a room they should be playing bad to the bone baby!!!!!! or the song who do you love…..brady has a rattle snake for a neck tie baby!!!!!!

  31. “We want to make sure we have a fair and open process.” – Goodell.

    See? Everything’s cool. And you guys were worried…

  32. “We are focused on it” – says the guy who is in the news for meeting with politicians for a few days & giving speeches in Western PA. It would be nice if he, you know, focused on it for more than maybe a few moments a week to answer questions about it and say how he is focusing on it but not actually doing anything.

  33. Goodell’s waiting for the time that damages the Patriots the most. The way he uses phrases like “integrity” and “transparency” makes me cringe. Whatever the result of #Deflategate, please make Goodell disappear.

  34. ***Hey Brady lovers – check out Mike Sando’s ESPN insider article. He talked to 35 NFL GM’s, league executives, coordinators – all high ranking people and they ranked Aaron Rodgers as the best QB in the game. A couple studied every play by both QB’s last season and said it wasn’t close.***

    Did they discuss this during the Super Bowl half time show when they were all available?

  35. “When does the investigation into the souvenirs and “game balls” Brady inscribed, autographed and gave to Jastremski and McNally to “help them out” multiple times begin?”

    If they are going to investigate giving signed merchandise to locker room staff, maybe they should investigate all 32 teams. It is a common practice for players to give out signed merchandise to team staff members. This is not unique to Brady or the Pats. It is one of the perks of working these low paying jobs.

  36. In other words, Goodell wants to take enough time to give the appearance of a fair and open process.

    Goodell talks a good game about transparency when there clearly is no transparency ever in the NFL.

  37. denverdude, there is no rule or law against giving gifts to locker room personnel. I have no idea why you’re adopting a suspicious, accusatory tone, but what Brady did is pretty common in the NFL. NFL stars often sign footballs, photos, etc., and given them away freely to locker room guys. And nobody cares if those guys turn around and sell them.

    Unless you work for the IRS, that is.

  38. To put this into perspective.

    The “best recollection” of and nfl referee whether he used a gauge with a curved needle versus a straight needle is totally discounted.

    However his recollection of every ball as to what the starting measurement was is taken as fact.

    Ted wells belongs in jail.

  39. Fair and open process? LOL

    Witch hunt.

    Faulty report.

    Questionable science.

    Lack of proof.

    All thus far leading to a suspension. Yeah fair and open indeed.

    Of course he is going to drag it out because he knows it will end up in court and he’ll lose again. He’s just biding his time because the actual punishment ends up being the amount of time it takes him to release the decision because at this point what new information could he be looking at? NONE.

    Mr. Goodell make the decision you coward.

  40. ” He should have a decision prior to camp.”

    He should have had a decision prior to the Super Bowl. Back in January people in the NFL office knew that the Pats were innocent. But rather than admit it, they planted lies with Chris Mortensen.

    When is the NFL going to have an open investigation of all the false leaks that are anonymously passed on to Mortensen, Schefter, and all those guys?

  41. Goodell,
    Do fans a favor and wait to rule on it the Monday of week 1, that way Brady can’t get that injunction to play. Screw him, the Pats and their fans, these people deserve it.

  42. whispersd says, “On the other hand, he has the scientific arguments showing that nothing happened”

    But what about the football that was tested and was found to be under pressure. I realize that most of the footballs agree with the ideal gas law, but NOT all of them do. One football WAS 2 pounds PSI below legal limits.

    So, the scientific evidence (if it can even be called that), does NOT show the “nothing” happened. It just shows that not as much wrong doing happened as the NFL leaked to ESPN.

  43. “Go ahead Patri*t fans… let’s see you spin the words of Brady’s own statement.”

    We don’t have to; you already have….to fit your narrative.

    What’s truly shocking is that you’ve confirmed that Tom Brady is the only professional athlete to ever in the history of professional sports, sign memorabilia and give it to the employees of the team he works for.
    This is a SHOCKING discovery by the ever-intrepid denverdude7.
    Thank God you’re here to interpret all of this. My stars! What would we do without you?

    Believe what you want, Haters.
    2015 NE Patriots
    Superbowl Champs….again

  44. The NFL is not risking a 100 million dollar plus defamation lawsuit just because every media outlet and team in the NFL hates the pats. Brady will slaughter the Steelers like he always does and with a regulation football as he did in the super which he won MVP and led the greatest come back ever in the greatest game ever played.

  45. How is this for a fair punishment

    Brady is no longer a patriot 29 teams have a chance of selecting him from a random draw, colts and packers are excluded they already have a qb

    So which of you haters would not want him on your team?

  46. He had $44 million last year, he is paid to make the tough decisions and obviously paid to make the wrong decisions, just hand down the appeal and be a man. If that means 31 others teams and their unreasonable fans are pissed off or if it means that Brady’s camp takes you to court, either way, just get it over with. No one has made more of mockery out this entire process then the league.

  47. All I hear is, I don’t know what I’m doing. I screwed up again. I can’t do anything right. How do I make $44 million? Hahahaha.

  48. Hey Brady lovers – check out Mike Sando’s ESPN insider article. He talked to 35 NFL GM’s, league executives, coordinators – all high ranking people and they ranked Aaron Rodgers as the best QB in the game. A couple studied every play by both QB’s last season and said it wasn’t close.

    Well, which one won the Super Bowl?

    And Aaron Rodgers is actually on record saying he tries to cheat by getting overinflated footballs by the refs, unlike Tom Brady, which is only on record saying he wants the footballs to be inflated to the low end of what the NFL requires.

  49. Whenever Goodell says “fair and open process” it’s like watching a foreign film dubbed in english…..the lips move but they don’t sync up with the words.

    The guy is an incompetent idiot who is stalling because he’s trying to negotiate a settlement with Brady and the NFLPA because he realizes the tide is turning and media peeps like Florio and King are shining a suspicious light on him and this “fair and open process”.

    It boggles the mind that Robert Kraft continues to prop up this incompetent clown.

    Boggles the mind…..

  50. Pats fans were so sure that Kraft would not take the fines laying down….then he laid down. Pats fans now think brady’s posturing and threats to go to court are real. smh @ silly fans…

  51. jhein23 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 12:45 PM
    Hey Brady lovers – check out Mike Sando’s ESPN insider article. He talked to 35 NFL GM’s, league executives, coordinators – all high ranking people and they ranked Aaron Rodgers as the best QB in the game. A couple studied every play by both QB’s last season and said it wasn’t close.

    *******************

    Hey Brady hater – who cares?

    Did all of these high ranking executives say that Brady was a meaningless scrub?

    Of course they didn’t, because he’s the one of if not the greatest to ever play the position.

  52. jhein23 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 12:45 PM
    Hey Brady lovers – check out Mike Sando’s ESPN insider article. He talked to 35 NFL GM’s, league executives, coordinators – all high ranking people and they ranked Aaron Rodgers as the best QB in the game. A couple studied every play by both QB’s last season and said it wasn’t close.

    ——————————-

    Who cares. I’ll take four Super Bowl rings over one thank you very much.

  53. I can’t even imagine that if you’re a fan of one of the other 31 teams, you can even still support Goodell. He is taking you all for fools!

    Everyone was at his throat this time last year. So he cooks up a story on the most hated team in the NFL and you all buy it, hook line and sinker.

    This “We’ll take our time with the decision” tactic employed by this man is deplorable. Science proves that nothing happened, and like sheep, the other fans just repeat the same dogma, “what about the deflator texts?”

    If science proves nothing happened, what do the text messages matter? Ask yourself that question. Please. Goodell is awful for the NFL. He must go.

  54. There was nothing fair about the sting operation, the campaign of anonymous lies to the media, the unwillingness of ANYONE with the NFL to correct those lies, Gardi saying they have a preliminary finding of guilt, then hiring Wells as a hired gun and a $5 million price tag that screams ‘we are hitching our punishment to this report’.
    Goodell approving the ridiculous Vincent punishment and then standing in himself as the arbitrator in the appeal of his OWN decision just prior.
    Yeah, that’s all fair.
    If nothing else, have the guts to record PSI this season and tell us the results rather than hiding them.
    Of course they can’t be trusted to be truthful with the data, anyway.

    If you say that the Patriots footballs were too far below PSI for those conditions, then prove it this season.

  55. this guy don’t know what he is doing, easy yes or no. the players association when contract time come strike and get rid of this guy.

  56. What exactly did Mr. Brady mean by the quote “help them out” anyway?

    If you can show me where Brady actually said this Ill take you as more than just a troll.

    JJ told jastremski that he would try to get Brady to sign some stuff for him because, as brady said, he didn’t have much contact with “burt” and thus never got the chance to do what Brady does to almost all of the low level employees: give them memorabilia because a signature from brady is about what they make per week for the team. Not so hard to grasp if you are actually thinking, not that you’re interested in facts anyway

  57. “We want to make sure we have a fair and open process,”
    – Roger Goodell, working on his standup routine during Open Mic night in Pittsburgh…

  58. If the “proof” was as air tight as the haters claim, than this decision would have been made already. It’s obviously not so this bafoon doesn’t know what to do. He should simply let the team penalties stand and remove Brady’s penalties. Only haters will whine because they don’t want the Pats winning their usual 11-12 games and cake walking it into the playoffs. Too bad.

  59. Kingmj4891 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 1:01 PM
    Troll have ruined what used to be a good football site.

    ********************
    Totally agree. This site has become a war zone. Patriot fans vs. Patriot haters with a few unbiased comments mixed in. Enough already people. Remember that the topic is air pressure in a football. Something that has never mattered until the Patriots became involved.

  60. jhein23 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 12:45 PM
    Hey Brady lovers – check out Mike Sando’s ESPN insider article. He talked to 35 NFL GM’s, league executives, coordinators – all high ranking people and they ranked Aaron Rodgers as the best QB in the game. A couple studied every play by both QB’s last season and said it wasn’t close.
    ——————————————

    Oh good for Aaron. Glad to hear he is the best. What size was his Superbowl ring last year? Oh, right, he didn’t win. Enjoy 35 guys thinking you’re the best Aaron. Maybe Tom will let you polish his ring.

  61. Hey Brady lovers – check out Mike Sando’s ESPN insider article. He talked to 35 NFL GM’s, league executives, coordinators – all high ranking people and they ranked Aaron Rodgers as the best QB in the game. A couple studied every play by both QB’s last season and said it wasn’t close.

    Aaron Rodgers is the best QB in the game. Not many people would dispute that but so what? Brady played in the Superbowl. Rodgers watched it on TV… again

  62. Goodell is so bad at this that he’s making Brady into the good guy.

    Adam Silver needed 24 hours to announce he’d be taking a team from an owner and Goodell needs 6 months to figure out how to handle under inflated footballs.

    This is a JOKE.

  63. Roger, this is so apparent what your doing! Delay, delay and delay some more.
    Brady can’t respond or go to Court until the sham is ended and a decision is made on the appeal. The tamtrum goodell is having now, will cost him his job soon!
    Next time hire a Lawyer as Commish and at least the discipline will go faster!

  64. rob1729 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 1:02 PM

    Is it common for ball boys to go to ESPN and complain about free merchandise? Thats what they were “going to ESPN” about right? I mean ESPN would def care about signed merchandise lol. Or do you think something more important was going on? like a cheating scandal??? Seems more likely that they had real dirt on Brady other than giving away merchandise.

  65. I’m laughing at all you people. The NFL is a soap opera for dudes. This is not an exercise in fact finding or truth-seeking. This is about fantasies and rooting interests. Just like those who root against Brady on game day are going to root against him in court. It’s all about what we WANT to believe and what we think we can convince others.

  66. oiler1980 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 12:57 PM
    The NFL is in a no win situation. By fining the Pats and going after Brady they will have to start measuring the balls this season. When that happens how will they explain this witch hunt when the balls act like everyone knows they will… Crazy stuff.

    League apparently has no intention of measuring balls this season. See tweets from @FootballZebras saying there was no mention of it at an officiating clinic this weekend.

    It’s all just been a witch hunt. They have no interest whatsoever in a “fair and open” process.

  67. IDIOT GOODELL IS STALLING!!! He’s trying to stay in the good graces of the by GOD patsies, the darlings of the NFL!!! Brady’s suspension WILL be dissmissed just watch, cheaters get off scott free again!!!

  68. key2heat says:Jul 21, 2015 12:42 PM

    Brady cheats on his prego wife and cheats in football

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    Really? Better blow that out!

  69. In Tom Brady’s mind he wasn’t cheating; he was having the balls prepared to his standard. He broke a rule, so he should be punished: a fine and one game. That’s fair and reasonable unless you are a Brady sycophant or a Brady hater; if you’re the former he should be made a saint because he’s being persecuted, and if you’re the latter, y’all want his career ruined, and that’s shameful.

    Goodell showed preferential treatment above and beyond to the Pats over Spygate. Destroyed evidence to boot. When he ruined the Saints for obfuscating, ( just as he did before Congress on concussions) and employing a pay for play scheme that crossed the line, he did so with Mr. Kraft’s complete encouragement and support, so I really think the chickens came home to roost for Kraft. I have much sympathy for Brady and none for Kraft.

  70. Translation: We want to push the decision as close to the start of the season as possible to make litigation less appealing.

  71. It would be interesting to see advertising revenue in this years offseason vs. other offseasons. Having a controversy at this time of year as likely been incredibly profitable for the league (probably NBC Sports also!).

  72. Forget America’s team ,the NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS are the WORLD’s team! Read it and weep!

  73. The reality is there isn’t a single owner that wants the level of scrutiny that NE is currently under. Their tepid reaction indicates that they are concerned that if they make waves they’ll be next on Emperor Goodell’s hit list.

  74. redrew says:
    Jul 21, 2015 12:53 PM
    The timeline on AFC Championship Sunday was precise. Goodell’s minions were laying in wait….awaiting the signal from the Indy sidelines after they secured a NE football, inserted a needle, and created a desired PSI pressure that would trigger an immediate ambush. The coordination between the Indy GM and league officials was choreographed and precise. Trial and conviction occurred at halftime and all that was left for Goodell to hire a corrupt attorney/investigator willing to manufacture evidence that confirmed their predetermined conviction.” *************And without even accusing the Colts of altering the ball- The Colts claimed they measured that ball because it seemed under-inflated… when in fact, even according to the Wells Report, the ball was well within the expected PSI limits all 4 times it was measured!!!! Don’t tell me there was no fix going on!

  75. shrimpingainteasy says:
    Jul 21, 2015 1:26 PM

    How long are we going to hear the pompous, ridiculous accent having, NE fans cry when he upholds the four games.

    ———

    I’m expecting him to uphold 4 games. I don’t think Brady has given Goodell much of a choice if Brady is unwilling to accept even 1 game (if you believe the rumors). How could it benefit Goodell to reduce the suspension if Brady isn’t willing to accept it anyway?

  76. ldfontenot says:
    Jul 21, 2015 1:37 PM
    In Tom Brady’s mind he wasn’t cheating; he was having the balls prepared to his standard. He broke a rule, so he should be punished: a fine and one game. That’s fair and reasonable unless you are a Brady sycophant or a Brady hater; if you’re the former he should be made a saint because he’s being persecuted, and if you’re the latter, y’all want his career ruined, and that’s shameful.******** It is also shameful to punish someone for something (and the team) didn’t do. So happy for you and your “mind-reading” abilities.

  77. Harve Gulch Cowboy says:
    Jul 21, 2015 1:08 PM
    Patriot fans have a lot of problems deciphering language that is self explanatory to the rest of us.
    =======
    Actually it is pretty easy to decipher. Let me translate it for you. It states that you are sore losers who, when your team can’t get it done on the field, would rather resort to whining, crying foul, and making stuff up.

  78. jhein, even as a Pats fan I won’t deny that A-Rodge is the top QB. Rodgers is a phenom. I have no issue with that statement what so ever.

  79. The people on here who constantly shout cheater remind me of the antivaccine and anti gmo nut bags that refuse to look at the evidence and just keep screaming their point.

  80. jetfanfolife says:
    Jul 21, 2015 12:47 PM
    Sorry I’m late Tom Brady let the air out of my tires (again)…

    And this is exactly what happens in the NFL, Teams aren’t good enough to beat them on the field so they try to beat them up somehow else….in your case, you’re obviously not bright enough to replace your bad tires, so you blame Brady!!

  81. jhein23 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 12:45 PM
    Hey Brady lovers – check out Mike Sando’s ESPN insider article. He talked to 35 NFL GM’s, league executives, coordinators – all high ranking people and they ranked Aaron Rodgers as the best QB in the game. A couple studied every play by both QB’s last season and said it wasn’t close.

    Wow – I just read this. Did you? Closely???

    Rodgers and Brady are tied for first.

    As a Pats fan, I would give Rodgers the edge right now given he is younger/in his prime while Brady is on back end, but for 1 game give me Brady over anyone in the game today and perhaps all time (only question is Montana or TB12).

    4>1 – sorry dude…

  82. No timeline in the sham that Goodell is calling an appeal process?

    Let us all hope that the timeline of Goodell’s reign in power, along with his jesters Kensil and Vincent, ends this calendar year.

  83. idothis2 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 1:11 PM
    Pats fans were so sure that Kraft would not take the fines laying down….then he laid down. Pats fans now think brady’s posturing and threats to go to court are real
    ========
    I think Pats fans WANTED Kraft to fight this hard, but it was never a realistic expectation. Some of Kraft’s earliest language indicated he would accept the ruling of the league. He got riled up at the magnitude of the punishment and has always maintained he didn’t agree with it, but only wishful thinking that he sues the NFL. It was reported almost from the get go that it was unlikely he would do that.

    Brady, on the other hand, has nothing to lose and everything to gain by pushing this all the way to court.

  84. jhein23 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 12:45 PM
    Hey Brady lovers – check out Mike Sando’s ESPN insider article. He talked to 35 NFL GM’s, league executives, coordinators – all high ranking people and they ranked Aaron Rodgers as the best QB in the game. A couple studied every play by both QB’s last season and said it wasn’t close.

    ———–
    That may very well be true….but it didn’t prevent the biggest choke job in the history of the NFL. If I were a Packers fan I would probably never get over that fiasco. Aaron may not either.

  85. shrimpingainteasy says:
    Jul 21, 2015 1:26 PM
    How long are we going to hear the pompous, ridiculous accent having, NE fans cry when he upholds the four games.


    accent having…..okay. We don’t expect fairness from Goodell, Brady will go to court and our voices will be heard loud, long and proudly! Go Pats!!! No Brady, no banner!!!!
    Go for 5!!!! (want me to keep going, I can!)

  86. rob1729 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 1:02 PM

    “When does the investigation into the souvenirs and “game balls” Brady inscribed, autographed and gave to Jastremski and McNally to “help them out” multiple times begin?”

    If they are going to investigate giving signed merchandise to locker room staff, maybe they should investigate all 32 teams. It is a common practice for players to give out signed merchandise to team staff members. This is not unique to Brady or the Pats. It is one of the perks of working these low paying jobs.
    *****************************************

    rob,

    You are 100% correct. However, to date, Brady is the only one to admit it in public. Tax evasion and possible fraud charges await Mr. Brady…

  87. even if you hate the patriots, which most people on this site do, can we all at least agree that it’s time for goodell to go? check that, we’re way overdue for goodell to go. without question, the worst commissioner in professional sports during my lifetime. a lot of people had their qualms with tabliabue, but at least he did a good job of keeping nonsense like this from dragging on for way too long. we all realize that not ruling on this keeps it in the news and is a ratings grab during the non news season, but for someone that preaches about protecting the shield and the integrity of the game, this guy does anything but. get rid of this guy now.

  88. “Go ahead Patri*t fans… let’s see you spin the words of Brady’s own statement.”
    ———————————————

    foolish, every professional athlete in world throws kicks and autographs the way of the locker /clubhouse guy, ball boys, etc.

  89. thesteelhurtin says:Jul 21, 2015 12:44 PM

    If nobody can see what Goodell is doing they are blind and it’s something I kinda figured would happen. He is delaying this as long as he can then he will announce it like 2 weeks before the season starts so Brady can appeal and play. Kraft is Goodells boy and this is all going to turn out just like spygate nothing but smoke and mirrors.
    —————————————————–
    Goodell’s is delaying because once it goes to court, Emperor Goodell loses control. Brady will win this game too! PatsFans want Goodell to make a decision. That’s all!

  90. davehamgood says:
    Jul 21, 2015 1:42 PM
    Forget America’s team ,the NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS are the WORLD’s team! Read it and weep!

    ________________________
    Really then you don’t travel much because you rarely see Pats gear outside of NE

  91. bullcharger says:
    Jul 21, 2015 1:45 PM

    How could it benefit Goodell to reduce the suspension if Brady isn’t willing to accept it anyway?

    My non-lawyer guess it that it may benefit Goodell in any court case Brady’s team brings if Goodell reduces the suspension to 1-2 games for “non-cooperation”. If Goodell keeps it at 4, and Brady’s team finds a Judge willing to hear the case, then Goodell and his henchmen are likely job hunting outside of the NFL within a year.

  92. letsgobuffalo4 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 1:26 PM
    Is it common for ball boys to go to ESPN and complain about free merchandise? Thats what they were “going to ESPN” about right? I mean ESPN would def care about signed merchandise lol. Or do you think something more important was going on? like a cheating scandal??? Seems more likely that they had real dirt on Brady
    ==========
    Brady’s name wasn’t even mentioned in the text about ESPN. Nor was what he would go to ESPN about. The “threat” was made directly to JJ. It was made in the off-season.

    You can choose to see this any way you like, but the reality is, it doesn’t say much of anything about anything.

  93. How do you know a commissioner sucks…

    When 100% of non-patriot fans think Goodell is favor of Brady/Pats and 100% of Patriot fans think Goodell hates everything Brady and Pats.

    How is this possible? because 100% OF NFL FANS do not trust the guy.

  94. 66% as many rings as Pitt, 80% as many as SF and Dallas.

    The chair is placed for you at the grown up table but your invitation hasn’t been sent yet.

    Let’s see ho many of the Steelers where Steroid driven and the one the refs gave them over Seattle. Oh yeah the HGH year too. San Fran cooked the books if I remember so did Denver so the Boys and the Patriots I think are deserving or did they Boys snort and inject their way to those too

  95. Hey Brady lovers – check out Mike Sando’s ESPN insider article. He talked to 35 NFL GM’s, league executives, coordinators – all high ranking people and they ranked Aaron Rodgers as the best QB in the game. A couple studied every play by both QB’s last season and said it wasn’t close.
    ———————————————————
    …And??? Aaron Rodgers has incredible game. I love to watch him play. What does that have to do with Brady’s innocence? Seriously, it is not hard to admire Rodgers talent, cheer for Brady, and believe that the NFL has spent all of its resources trying to cover up its own ineptitude rather than actually getting to the truth of any football tampering all at the same time. These are not mutually exclusive.

  96. “denverdude7 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 2:04 PM
    rob1729 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 1:02 PM

    “When does the investigation into the souvenirs and “game balls” Brady inscribed, autographed and gave to Jastremski and McNally to “help them out” multiple times begin?”

    If they are going to investigate giving signed merchandise to locker room staff, maybe they should investigate all 32 teams. It is a common practice for players to give out signed merchandise to team staff members. This is not unique to Brady or the Pats. It is one of the perks of working these low paying jobs.
    *****************************************

    rob,

    You are 100% correct. However, to date, Brady is the only one to admit it in public. Tax evasion and possible fraud charges await Mr. Brady…”


    Um, if anyone broke the tax laws it was the guys getting the gifts. And that assumes they sold the stuff and didn’t declare it as income. Brady can give away whatever he wants.

  97. As a Pats fan, I am fairly certain that Tom Brady would agree that Aaron is the best QB in the league. In turn, Aaron would agree that Tom is indisputably a winner (and Aaron is pretty impressive there too).

  98. sully25ah says:
    Jul 21, 2015 2:08 PM

    Going to ESPN was in the same convo in which they were complaining about Tom Brady and how meticulous he is about how to prepare balls. You pats need a text that specifically says “Tom brady asks us to deflate balls after the inspection to under the legal limit”. Anything else u consider ‘speculation’. If the convo goes “im so tired of Tom and how meticulous he is about these stupid balls. I should go to ESPN.” you would say “well those are two different sentences and technically we dont know who they are going to ESPN about. Now lets us common sense, something Boston lacks. But still, why go to a media outlet? what other possible reasoning is there? Id say lets just the ball boys……..but the Pats fired them and now the league has no access to them. How convenient. Lets let this go to court, lets see toms phone, lets put the ball boys on the stand under oath and see where this goes. We all want the truth right???? So why do pats fans want this dropped now and leave all this doubt. Lets air everything out and go from there.

  99. Brady was passing his way to the largest second half comeback in SB history, against the number 1 defense in the league three years running, while Rodgers was sitting at home doing whatever it is a dead eyed insurance salesman does in his free time. Kindly take that noise elsewhere.

  100. No timeline. This is not because the league cares about transparency or we would know who leaked faulty information about ball pressure and who jumped the gun leaking wrong/incomplete information in the Naqi report. We would be privy to testimony in Brady’s appeal. There would never have been a letter from the NFL to the Patriots prohibiting them from publicly defending themselves while being slandered during Wells’ investigation. We would know the truth about whether the Patriots dismissed the ball boys of their own accord or whether the NFL demanded suspension for them. We would not have Adam Schefter posting photos of league memos that run contrary to the NFL’s public statements about the duration of the appeal. There is nothing in this case that reflects that the league is in any way, shape, or form transparent. Memo to Roger Goodell: NOBODY buys your BS about integrity. At this point I am pretty sure that even those who have convinced themselves that Brady is guilty think the commissioner is full of excrement as well.

  101. @thesteelhurtin, I spend a lot of time in SE Asia and by far Patriots gear is the most represented, as is Yankees gear.

    Although both are dwarfed by anything Premier League.

  102. Hate. This. Commissioner.

    The decision has likely been done for some time. What he might as well say is, “When I’m damn good and ready.”

    Goodell is a joke.

  103. It’s absurd that this is taking so long. There’s no reason whatsoever to reduce the punishment… it’s clear to anyone with an open mind that Brady cheated in a playoff game, and he got off easy with a four-game suspension. Goodell has no choice but to uphold it, if professional football is to have any integrity. Any reduction would do serious harm to the game.

  104. Why should Goodell have to lower the penalty without all the facts? Seems to me if the Pats want a “fair” decision then Goodell needs any and all evidence to make that happen. Its hypocritical to say “we refuse to give you evidence, but we want you to come up with a fair ruling”. Lets keep the penalty and go to court. No politely asking for Tom’s phone and getting denied. No politely asking to speak to the ball boys and having Kraft say no. If the ball boys are put on the stand under oath and Tom’s phone is searched through and after everything is said and done they say he is innocent then fine. But no NFL fan should accept an innocent verdict without all the evidence. Pats fans and non Pats fans should want a trial so the FULL TRUTH comes out. No more speculation of “well what JJ ‘meant’ in that text was….” lets hear it straight from his mouth on the stand under oath. Sounds fair to me.

  105. One game. Assessed after the HOF game. And a fine.

    And your team can keep your championship trophy.

    or, better yet, he requires an asterisk after the listing of the NEP as the Super Bowl winners and after any listing of Brady in NfL statistics.

  106. Hey Brady lovers – check out Mike Sando’s ESPN insider article. He talked to 35 NFL GM’s, league executives, coordinators – all high ranking people and they ranked Aaron Rodgers as the best QB in the game. A couple studied every play by both QB’s last season and said it wasn’t close.

    Rodgers is a damned good QB. If it wasn’t for him the Packers would be 7-9 every year. No shame in Rodgers being a better QB.

  107. canedaddy says:
    Jul 21, 2015 2:26 PM
    It’s absurd that this is taking so long. There’s no reason whatsoever to reduce the punishment… it’s clear to anyone with an open mind that Brady cheated in a playoff game, and he got off easy with a four-game suspension. Goodell has no choice but to uphold it, if professional football is to have any integrity. Any reduction would do serious harm to the game.
    _____

    ^Yet another guy who didn’t bother to read the Wells Report or WellsReportContext. Just reads headlines and tweets and thinks he knows all. Sad.

  108. It seems like Goodell is trying to stall this as long as possible to force Brady to take the full punishment. He’ll probably spend the next few months humming and hawing, then come to the inevitable conclusion to uphold the full penalty. If he takes long enough, Brady’s legal team might not be able to get him exonerated before the start of the regular season, which could push the actual suspension to the back half of the season while forcing TB to miss games during the appeal process. I really hope that’s not the case, but I don’t see how Goodell can possibly save face as ‘the hammer’ without forcing Brady to take the full penalty.

  109. bradyakagod says:
    Jul 21, 2015 1:09 PM
    The NFL is not risking a 100 million dollar plus defamation lawsuit just because every media outlet and team in the NFL hates the pats. Brady will slaughter the Steelers like he always does and with a regulation football as he did in the super which he won MVP and led the greatest come back ever in the greatest game ever played.
    —————————————————

    You might want to check the record on that. Actually, two of Brady’s worst losses ever came at the hands of the Steelers. He also escaped the total-team pounding of 2008 and let his poor backup take the beating instead. Are they putting LSD in the Boston Harbor water? You seem a bit out of reality here.

  110. If Goodell reduces it to two games will Patsie fans cry half as much? I doubt it.

    I think they will wine and moan until Brady’s sleezy lawyers find legal loopholes to reduce the penalty for cheating to zero games.

    Brady should really pay some sort of penalty for having the balls deflated the way he did.

  111. ndesharnaisnjdjp says:
    Jul 21, 2015 2:21 PM
    @thesteelhurtin, I spend a lot of time in SE Asia and by far Patriots gear is the most represented, as is Yankees gear.

    Although both are dwarfed by anything Premier League.
    ________
    Google most hated NFL team world wide. Spoiler alert it’s the pats

  112. jhein23 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 12:45 PM
    Hey Brady lovers – check out Mike Sando’s ESPN insider article. He talked to 35 NFL GM’s, league executives, coordinators – all high ranking people and they ranked Aaron Rodgers as the best QB in the game. A couple studied every play by both QB’s last season and said it wasn’t close.
    —————————————
    So how many rings does Rodgers have?

  113. He must be getting a cut from all of these click bait articles.

    The Deflatriot tradition has been built on a legacy of cheating and rule bending. It dates all the way to the 80ies with the snow plow cheat.

    Why is it so hard for you homers to understand that it is past time to be held accountable?

    No one is above the law. Butch up for once.

  114. foolish, every professional athlete in world throws kicks and autographs the way of the locker /clubhouse guy, ball boys, etc.”””””

    Yet I have not seen even one article stating this after all this time.

    And then there is all the electronic / phone contact to them right after the story broke.

  115. It annoys me to no end all these people that are convinced Brady cheated… Please tell me what HE did in the the ACF playoff game that convinced you he cheated.

    Show me the page in the Wells report that points that out?

    You have a text exchange from two equipment guys from at least 3-4 months prior that in no way had anything to do with that game. WHICH CAN BE TIED TO FACT TOM LIKES THE FOOTBALL AT 12.5PSI AND GET PISSED WHEN ITS NOT TO HIS LIKING!!!

    You have a leaked story from ESPN that was dead false.

    AND

    Brady wouldn’t turn over his phone.

    TELL ME NOW … WHERE IN ALL THAT DID TOM CHEAT????

  116. “ampatsisahypocrite says:
    Jul 21, 2015 2:47 PM
    bradyakagod says:
    Jul 21, 2015 1:09 PM
    The NFL is not risking a 100 million dollar plus defamation lawsuit just because every media outlet and team in the NFL hates the pats. Brady will slaughter the Steelers like he always does and with a regulation football as he did in the super which he won MVP and led the greatest come back ever in the greatest game ever played.
    —————————————————

    You might want to check the record on that. Actually, two of Brady’s worst losses ever came at the hands of the Steelers. He also escaped the total-team pounding of 2008 and let his poor backup take the beating instead. Are they putting LSD in the Boston Harbor water? You seem a bit out of reality here.”


    Regular season Brady is 5-2 V Pitt, 68.31 completion %, 18 TDs, 3 ints, and a 109.7 passer rating. He’s only been better against one team: Atl, who he has only played 4 times.

    In the playoffs he’s 2-0 (both games in Pitt) with even better #s.

  117. ***jhein23 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 12:45 PM
    Hey Brady lovers – check out Mike Sando’s ESPN insider article.***

    LOL… you just exposed yourself as an espn fanboi.

  118. jhein23 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 12:45 PM
    Hey Brady lovers – check out Mike Sando’s ESPN insider article. He talked to 35 NFL GM’s, league executives, coordinators – all high ranking people and they ranked Aaron Rodgers as the best QB in the game. A couple studied every play by both QB’s last season and said it wasn’t close.
    *********************************************************

    Rodgers is excellent, no doubt. His down field throws are laser like. However these things cited in the article are not the only barometers of excellent QB play. Some things are intangible and hard to measure. I can’t see the wind, but I know when it is there. The same goes for clutch, inspirational leadership that elevates the performance of everyone around you. Brady has that in spades over any other NFL QB….and it’s not even close. 9 AFC Championship games, 6 Super Bowls, and 4 Super Bowl Trophies in 13 seasons played (he did not play his rookie year, or in 2008 when his knee was blown out on a dirty hit by Bernard Pollard). Those numbers are no accident, and speak for themselves. Too many players played above and beyond their ability when playing with Brady to ignore. Rodgers has longer to play, and may catch up, but he likely will never match those numbers. Don’t get it twisted. Rodgers is a dangerous QB, well above all the rest, and at this stage of their careers, Rodgers has more potential since he can likely play longer. That may be a factor for the people making the evaluations. However, for my money, I’ll back Tom and be happy, regardless of the results. Dude is a winner.

  119. .
    It seems most of the anti rational thought (aka anti Brady) comments are coming out of four cities :

    1. Buffalo – Brady is 24-2 versus them.

    2. Pittsburgh – Brady put up 55 points on them in their last meeting.

    3. Miami – Perennial AFC East doormats.

    4. Seattle – 28 – 24

    It must be sad that your only hope of winning is by rooting for suspensions and injuries.
    .

  120. patriotinvasion says:
    Jul 21, 2015 2:45 PM

    i read the whole report and i think common sense leads to one conclusion- there was cheating. Goodell had the same common sense, so did Ted Wells. Its funny how unbiased ppl who make millions of dollars dont know as much is completely biased fools from Boston. There is a reason there was a punishment- its b/c the evidence makes Brady look guilty. But to be fair we dont know what the ball boys meant about “going to espn”, we dont know what “deflator” meants. We dont know why Brady contacted them 6 times after the game. We dont know whats on Brady’s phone. Until we get that info then its all speculation. So lets go to court. Why are patriots fans to afraid of court and saying this should be dropped now by Goodell. Ummmm we dont have some of the most important info. The pats blocked Wells from a second interview with the ball boys to ask what they meant by certain statements, ofcourse Tom wont show his phone. Im tired of hearing Kraft trying to explain what the ball boys ‘meant’. Lets hear from them directly, on the stand, under oath. Period. No more debating. The only way we get the real truth is if Goodell keeps the punishment as is and Brady takes this to trial. If goodell keeps this as is and Brady has been bluffing about court like Kraft well then we know he’s guilty.

  121. bradyakagod says:
    Jul 21, 2015 1:09 PM
    The NFL is not risking a 100 million dollar plus defamation lawsuit just because every media outlet and team in the NFL hates the pats. Brady will slaughter the Steelers like he always does and with a regulation football as he did in the super which he won MVP and led the greatest come back ever in the greatest game ever played.
    —————————————————

    You might want to check the record on that. Actually, two of Brady’s worst losses ever came at the hands of the Steelers. He also escaped the total-team pounding of 2008 and let his poor backup take the beating instead. Are they putting LSD in the Boston Harbor water? You seem a bit out of reality here.

    _________________________
    I think maybe you should do a little record checking yourself. Brady’s career numbers against the Steelers are All-Pro: 7 games, 5-2 record, 68.3% completion, 330 yards/game, 18 TDs vs. 3 INTs, 109.7 rating. Not too shabby.

  122. realnflfan2015 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 12:47 PM

    I’ve hated a lot of rival fans, but it was a “good” hate.
    A respectful hate
    Patriot fans… I don’t hate them, I feel sorry for them.

    Don’t feel sorry for us Bro!
    We are doing just fine with 6 super bowl appearances and 14 years.
    What’s your team done?? Oh right. You don’t have a team. Your an NFL FAN.
    Too many disappointments with your last few teams I’m guessing.

    Hahaaaa. I Feel SORRY for YOU!!

  123. It will come out late Friday afternoon, when everyone is in weekend mode. Kind of like what a politician does when he wants to announce something he knows will be unpopular.

  124. Goodell will say “Tom, no worries. Bob and I have already worked it out. Your suspension? Gone. The draft picks and fine? Ha! Do you really think I would do that to you guys? I only did that to appease the media and the fans. You keep doing what you’re doing. I got your back.”

  125. One thing that keeps troubling me but is glossed overnight by the Pats internet defense team is why Kraft folded as fast as a greased accordion at the owners meeting. The Defense team never addresses the why of the quick fold? I bet Rodger and his minions have an ace that ole Kraftie doesn’t want to see the light of day….what say ye of the lemming like Internet Defense Team?

  126. @ampatsisagenius,

    “you might want to check the record on it,”

    Brady is 7-2 vs Steelers lifetime losing 34-20 in 2004 and 25-17 in 2011. Are those the two “worst” losses in Brady’s career?

    What happened last time the played in Foxboro, I believe it was 55-31 the “worst” loss in Steelers history.

    Are those the facts you wanted us to check Frankie?

  127. letsgobuffalo4 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 2:18 PM
    Going to ESPN was in the same convo in which they were complaining about Tom Brady and how meticulous he is about how to prepare balls.
    =======
    Go read the Wells report for once. It is on page 10. Item number 7. The date of the conversation was May 9th 2014:

    McNally: You working?
    Jastremski: Yup
    McNally: Nice dude….jimmy needs some kicks….lets make a deal….come on help the deflator
    McNally: Chill buddy im just f***in with you……im not going to espn…….yet

    End of text. So letsgobuffalo4 – where exactly is the reference to preparing footballs? So not only am I claiming that you are speculating out of context, but I gave you the page and the item number to go validate it.

    It is quite obvious that you never read the Wells report, and are quoting what you would like it to say.

  128. “Nofoolnodrool says:
    Jul 21, 2015 3:31 PM
    One thing that keeps troubling me but is glossed overnight by the Pats internet defense team is why Kraft folded as fast as a greased accordion at the owners meeting. The Defense team never addresses the why of the quick fold? I bet Rodger and his minions have an ace that ole Kraftie doesn’t want to see the light of day….what say ye of the lemming like Internet Defense Team?”


    He had no rights. He is ownership/management. He knew Brady would smoke Goodell in court. This way he gets to keep good standing in the owners club AND the penalties will ultimatly be overturned, as when Brady proves there was no deflation everything will be dropped. Win Win

  129. So lets’ get this straight…

    Commish Goodell receives the Wells Report, and from that 5 million dollar turd makes a decision to fine Brady for being generally aware of a more probably than not scheme to deflate game day footballs in about 5 days.

    He later sits and listens to Brady’s appeal of the same said decision for 11 hours, and supposedly receives written statements from the two sides. Who wrote the NFL’s position statement? It was his decision alone. Did he write a statement to himself? In any case it has taken him over a month and he still is not saying when he’ll make a decision on the appeal?

    You couldn’t make this stuff up.

  130. Please read the 19 January, 2015 official letter sent to Mr. Kraft from the senior vice president of NFL operations (David Gardi) that informed the Patriots that an investigation will be conducted.

    1. FACT: On page two, the letter states the following: … “each of the Colts’ game balls that was inspected met the requirements set forth.”
    READ THE LETTER!

    Accordingly, that statement turns out to be totally not true. Page 8, of the Wells report confirms that 3 of the 4 Colts’ footballs were in fact deflated.

    What happened next? The press/public were led to believe the Patriots must have cheated and DEFLATEGATE RAN WILD. In essence, everyone was led to believe (via that letter, leaked or otherwise) that if all the Colts’ footballs were within the permissible PSI ranges and the Patriots footballs were not; the Patriots must have cheated.

    Additionally, who made the decision at halftime to STOP testing the Colts’ remaining 8 footballs at half-time (only four balls tested, 3 found deflated)?

    2. What do I believe actually happened? Simply, the NFL went in at halftime to measure the PSI of each football for both teams and when they realized the Colts’ footballs were deflated, someone must have said: “OOPS” we have a problem. That is, both teams have deflated footballs and thus, someone directed to stop testing the remaining 8 Colts’ footballs.

    3. How is this possible for the comments listed in paragraph 2?

    Again simply, the NFL had no clue about the Ideal Gas Law (IGL) prior to commencing their actions in this matter. We all now know that atmospheric conditions will naturally deflate the PSI of footballs. Bottom line: to properly execute the IGL, PSI for EACH football must be taken at the same time prior to the start of the game and also at the same time during half-time and thus, determine correct PSI numbers. Some MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENTS know this!

    4. Why wouldn’t Brady turn his cell phone in? …… WOULD YOU PROVIDE YOUR CELL PHONE TO FOLKS THAT ARE NOT TRUTHFUL (19 Jan. letter)???

  131. “One football WAS 2 pounds PSI below legal limits.”

    Only if you used the wrong gauge. It was 10.9 psi using the correct gauge.

    Over-emphasizing outliers leads to bad science. Of the 11 balls tested, 3 were below the “good” range of 11.32-11.52 psi, 5 were in the range, and 3 were above the range.

    We don’t even know how accurate these gauges are. There’s good reason to believe that the same ball will produce varying results from the same ball. That was the case with the intercepted ball.

    The NFL handled the measurement process poorly. You cannot fix that after the fact.

  132. “Hey Brady lovers – check out Mike Sando’s ESPN insider article. He talked to 35 NFL GM’s, league executives, coordinators – all high ranking people and they ranked Aaron Rodgers as the best QB in the game. A couple studied every play by both QB’s last season and said it wasn’t close.”

    Aaron Rodgers vs. Seattle last year: 0-2
    Tom Brady vs. Seattle last year: 1-0

  133. tigerlilac says:
    Jul 21, 2015 3:28 PM
    Jaguars fans slamming Tom Brady? Dude, that’s just pathetic.
    ———————————————————-

    Jags are losers but at least they don’t cheat. Cheaters are lower than losers.

  134. His slip of “fair and open process” reveals the whole story and their true intent throughout the duration of this circus. 11 footballs says that a dozen legal interns immediately started working on compiling legal memoranda the day the Wells report came out, all in anticipation of going to federal court. The NFL does not care about evidence, the merits or uncovering Brady’s truth. The NFL made their decision before Brady walked through the door – the lengthy appeal itself was theatre and a mere formality (a checkbox for the “fair and open process.” All they are doing now is figuring out how to structure their written decision, their PR campaign what to cite in the CBA and other relevant authority in order to be able to demonstrate to a judge that they exhausted the process. The NFL is disgusting.

  135. Yes, as sully says, the “go to espn” comment was in a conversation that had nothing to do with Brady. It had to deal with whether Jastremski was willing to risk his job by getting shoes for McNally. McNally needs the shoes to work out to lose weight, hence the reference to “deflator”.
    Jastremski does not seem to actually indicate at any point that he’s going to give McNally shoes. Honestly, I don’t see any grounds for Jastremski to be suspended. He seems to want to keep humoring McNally without every actually “producing the goods”.

    Ted Wells thinks this is evidence of a quid pro quo. Wells has a very vivid imagination.

  136. Pats fans will be immensely disappointed when Goodell upholds the 4 game suspension. Then Kraft and the control freak Belichick will nudge Tom to take his 4 game punishment at the start of the season to put an end to the distraction and get the suspension behind the team. Can you smell what I’m booking? BOOK IT! 🙂

    #BradyKnew #TheDeflator

  137. Great points Davidceltic, if the nfl goes to court any 1st year law student and 1st year physics student will beat them down in 5 minutes.

    By the way, I would question Goodell about why he didn’t turn over his phone to prove he had no idea the Ray Rice video was at NFL headquarters.

  138. “Nofoolnodrool says:
    Jul 21, 2015 3:31 PM
    One thing that keeps troubling me but is glossed overnight by the Pats internet defense team is why Kraft folded as fast as a greased accordion at the owners meeting. The Defense team never addresses the why of the quick fold? I bet Rodger and his minions have an ace that ole Kraftie doesn’t want to see the light of day….what say ye of the lemming like Internet Defense Team?”


    He had no rights. He is ownership/management. He knew Brady would smoke Goodell in court. This way he gets to keep good standing in the owners club AND the penalties will ultimatly be overturned, as when Brady proves there was no deflation everything will be dropped. Win Win

    Is that you answer? As a member of the Pats Internet Lemming Defense Team you should be ashamed at that weak answer? Try again skippy this isn’t my first rodeo.

  139. Roger is smart. Here’s why:

    He’s putting it off as long as you can to get closer to the start of the season. Therefore, courts won’t be able to get this on their docket fast enough to have the suspension blocked; if they were going to block it at all.

    But Brady is stupid. Because if it ever went to court, his cell phone records will be subpoenaed. And he would be proven a cheater AND A LIAR to the world.

  140. “But to be fair we dont know what the ball boys meant about “going to espn”, we dont know what “deflator” meants. We dont know why Brady contacted them 6 times after the game. We dont know whats on Brady’s phone. Until we get that info then its all speculation. So lets go to court. Why are patriots fans to afraid of court and saying this should be dropped now by Goodell. Ummmm we dont have some of the most important info. The pats blocked Wells from a second interview with the ball boys to ask what they meant by certain statements, ofcourse Tom wont show his phone. Im tired of hearing Kraft trying to explain what the ball boys ‘meant’. Lets hear from them directly, on the stand, under oath. ”

    The kind of rant from somebody who cannot be bothered with details.

    a) the NFL is the party that wants to avoid going to court. Brady is quite happy to go to court. No Pats fan is afraid of court. Goodell is the one stalling here, not Brady.

    b) they were not ‘ball boys’. One was an equipment manager who worked full time, the other was a locker room attendant. Wells wanted to have a 2nd interview with the locker room attendant, all after he’d had 3 interviews with other NFL officials. The third interview consisted of an NFL official shouting at him and calling him a liar all day. After that, McNally was reluctant to spend any more time with the NFL people. He agreed to do one more interview, this time with Wells, and only do anything after that if new developments came up. There were no new developments. Wells asked for a 2nd interview. Based on their agreement, the Pats asked him what new developments justified yet another interview.

    Wells simply didn’t respond. He didn’t really want another interview. He wanted something to charge the Patriots with. And even when refusing the interview was perfectly in line with the agreement that was in place, Ted Wells acted all affronted. He acted like the refusal was intransigence on McNally’s part, and not a reasonable response to a demand on Wells’ part to deviate from the agreement that was in place.

    It’s the same kind of thing that happened with Brady’s phone. By March, the investigators knew they weren’t getting anywhere. So they essentially created a rules violation by continuing to make more and more demands of the people being investigated. It’s a cheap trick, and a tried and true path to ginning up a ‘non-cooperation’ charge. At some point, anybody and everybody is going to say enough is enough. So if you want to charge somebody with something, you just keep harassing the guy until he reaches that point. For Brady it was the phone. He knew that the NFL already had all the text messages from Jastremski’s and McNally’s phones. The extra demand was nothing more than harassment. And if he’d “cooperated” they’d have pushed again.

  141. ^And you have no clue they used 2 gauges with a standard of it has to pass one of them. Although it is spelled out in the report.

    I was going over the chart again and see that 6 pats ball readings are under by over 1 1/2 psi. While the three from the Colts are slightly over by 1/2 psi.

  142. Playing amateur lawyer, Goodell thinks that he can stall the start of BRADY VS NFL lawsuit (Those cap letters will look good in an August front cover of SI for sure) initiated, since justice delayed is justice denied. Guarantee that Brady will start the season with court protection- it really doesn’t matter if Goodell continues to stall like the deer caught in headlights that he is, or just lops of one game but nothing more (what I expect from such a weasel). The NFL owners HAVE to know that this is coming, with the sports media saying that the outcome of the Federal trial could be that NFL becomes the first major sports league with all disciplinary matters handled by independent group. Watch Mara, Jones, others FINALLY solve the crisis, starting with kicking out Goodell.

  143. letsgobuffalo4 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 2:18 PM
    sully25ah says:
    Jul 21, 2015 2:08 PM

    Going to ESPN was in the same convo in which they were complaining about Tom Brady and how meticulous he is about how to prepare balls. You pats need a text that specifically says “Tom brady asks us to deflate balls after the inspection to under the legal limit”. Anything else u consider ‘speculation’. …..Lets let this go to court, lets see toms phone, lets put the ball boys on the stand under oath and see where this goes. We all want the truth right???? So why do pats fans want this dropped now and leave all this doubt. Lets air everything out and go from there.

    ___________________________________

    You keep missing the point of “facts” with this entire line of thinking. Obviously the texts are damning and alarming. Obviously there are big holes in the logic of the report. But even a candid confession from McNally doesn’t prove the balls were deflated below the limit.

    The facts from the Wells investigation showed that the balls at halftime were within the acceptable range of PSI allowed in the rule book. If the balls were deflated under the legal limit post-inspection, then why are the ball pressure readings inconclusive? Can you (or should you) suspend a player for an inconclusive procedural violation?

    Feeding your hypothetical “air everything out” scenario, McNally says under oath in court that he deflated footballs post-inspection. Were they below the limit? You still don’t know, because the fact is no one wrote down the pre-game measurements. Sure, if there was a post-inspection manipulation of the footballs then the organization violated procedure, and Brady should be fined for this, but no legitimate league protocol was in place to actually enforce this rule.

  144. “We want to make sure we have a fair and open process.”
    ===

    I don’t think he understands the meaning of three of the last four words of that sentence.

  145. canedaddy says:
    Jul 21, 2015 3:49 PM
    tigerlilac says:
    Jul 21, 2015 3:28 PM
    Jaguars fans slamming Tom Brady? Dude, that’s just pathetic.
    ———————————————————-

    Jags are losers but at least they don’t cheat. Cheaters are lower than losers.
    ————————–
    Oops, not so much. Here are your Jags steroid cheaters.
    LB T.J. Slaughter (2002)
    DT Marcus Stroud (2007)
    LB LaRoy Reynolds (2013)

    Continue to be irrelevant and have nothing to add to a conversation.

  146. Was it that Jastremski and McNally were so underpaid that they couldn’t afford to buy shoes (kicks) for themselves and families?

    (Doubtful)

    Was it that Jastremski and McNally were so underpaid that they couldn’t afford to buy a football of their own?

    (Doubtful)

    Or was it that Jastremski and McNally were so underpaid that they were selling the souvenirs and “game balls” to augment their income and Brady happily went along with it?

    (More probable than not)
    ===
    Oh. Look. It’s the tax evasion angle. News flash: it’s not Brady’s problem if JJ and JM were selling things he was giving them to supplement their income. If there’s undeclared income, it’s undeclared income by JJ and JM, and they’ll be the ones to pay the piper (IRS) on that. That doesn’t affect Brady.

  147. davidceltic says:
    Jul 21, 2015 3:41 PM
    3. How is this possible for the comments listed in paragraph 2?

    Again simply, the NFL had no clue about the Ideal Gas Law (IGL) prior to commencing their actions in this matter.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Are we sure that the NFL had no clue..???

    Maybe it was part of the Plan to begin with. It would not be beyond the scope of the corruption at NYC headquarters for Goodell to knowingly use the cold weather in Foxboro for his advantage to frame Brady & the Patriots.
    Think about it- Goodell firmly believes in his own egotistic narcissistic authority that his decisions are not to be questioned – this is FACT. Since the NFL has no set specific written scientific/accurate procedure for measuring & recording football psi, then, in FACT, it makes it just too easy to frame Brady by #1.) manipulating data #2.) hiring an unethical lawyer to come to a pre-determined guilty verdict #3.) hiring an unethical study/analysis group (Exponent) for the pre-determined data results that support the guilty verdict.

    Goodell, being so high on himself, never anticipated that he & his plan would be exposed for the Frame job that it is. He has no where to turn now but to stay true to his egomaniac power lust and dig in firmly by not admitting to the lack of evidence for his extremely unjust punishment handed down upon Brady.

    WE the PEOPLE – Don’t be so naive & trusting.

  148. But what about the football that was tested and was found to be under pressure. I realize that most of the footballs agree with the ideal gas law, but NOT all of them do. One football WAS 2 pounds PSI below legal limits.
    ===
    Three factors could cause you to see that drop.

    Firstly, some footballs were wetter and colder than others. Secondly, some were tested earlier in the half-time measuring period. Finally, two different gauges were used. If you test a ball that’s 12.0 PSI pregame with the gauge that was reading 0.5 PSI high (meaning it reads 12.5 PSI when measuring that ball) and then you test it when it’s cold at halftime with the accurate gauge, you’ll record about a 2.0 PSI drop.

  149. nepatriot1 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 4:20 PM
    ————————–
    Oops, not so much. Here are your Jags steroid cheaters.
    LB T.J. Slaughter (2002)
    DT Marcus Stroud (2007)
    LB LaRoy Reynolds (2013)

    Continue to be irrelevant and have nothing to add to a conversation.
    —————————————————-

    Actually they’re not “my” Jags… I’m not a Jacksonville fan. But I do respect them more than the Patriots. Every team including New England has a few PED suspensions. Deflating balls to get a competitive edge is taking cheating to the next level. It’s breaking the rules to get a direct on-field advantage, and it clearly made a big difference for Brady… if not, why would he risk his reputation by cheating?

  150. They have no proof of Tom Brady’s involvement and there are scientific studies which refute the Wells Report. He didn’t even follow his own policy by having Troy Vincent decide on the penalty phase. In court, the deck is stacked against Goodell. Maybe his end game is negotiating a deal with Brady to keep the $1 million fine for lack of cooperation but end this fiasco with no finding of guilt on Brady’s involvement.

  151. You are 100% correct. However, to date, Brady is the only one to admit it in public. Tax evasion and possible fraud charges await Mr. Brady…
    ===
    That’s not really how Internal Revenue Code works on gifts.

    Yes, there is such thing as a gift tax and the gifter (Brady) pays it, but there’s a $12,000/year exemption, and if JJ or JM are married, TB12 has two exemptions because he can technically give gifts to JJ or JM’s wife as well. That’s $24k. Additionally, if JJ or JM have kids, cousins, or friends, TB can give each of those people up to $12K of gifts. It doesn’t matter if it was initially given to JJ or JM if TB’s intent was to give it to the third-party.

    What about income if those people sell the memorabilia? That income belongs, and must be reported by, to those people. It doesn’t belong to Brady.

    I suppose that they could be kicking money back to Brady, and yeah, that would be illegal if unreported, but I doubt very much that that is happening.

  152. canedaddy says:
    Jul 21, 2015 4:41 PM
    nepatriot1 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 4:20 PM
    ————————–
    Oops, not so much. Here are your Jags steroid cheaters.
    LB T.J. Slaughter (2002)
    DT Marcus Stroud (2007)
    LB LaRoy Reynolds (2013)

    Continue to be irrelevant and have nothing to add to a conversation.
    —————————————————-

    Actually they’re not “my” Jags… I’m not a Jacksonville fan. But I do respect them more than the Patriots. Every team including New England has a few PED suspensions. Deflating balls to get a competitive edge is taking cheating to the next level. It’s breaking the rules to get a direct on-field advantage, and it clearly made a big difference for Brady… if not, why would he risk his reputation by cheating?
    —————————-
    Ahhhhhh, so you’re a fraud. “All teams,” you’ve decided. So steroids are ok because all teams do them? Your certain the Patriots deflated balls, even though all of the science says other wise. You see what you want to see.

  153. canedaddy says:
    Jul 21, 2015 4:41 PM

    Deflating balls to get a competitive edge is taking cheating to the next level. It’s breaking the rules to get a direct on-field advantage, and it clearly made a big difference for Brady… if not, why would he risk his reputation by cheating?

    ____________________________________

    You’re claiming that ball pressure provides an on-field advantage greater than taking steroids? That is very provocative but I’m not aware of any evidence in favor of that. Where is the “next level” cheating here? To me it’s just different.

  154. Nofoolnodrool says:
    Jul 21, 2015 3:31 PM
    One thing that keeps troubling me but is glossed overnight by the Pats internet defense team is why Kraft folded as fast as a greased accordion at the owners meeting. The Defense team never addresses the why of the quick fold? I bet Rodger and his minions have an ace that ole Kraftie doesn’t want to see the light of day….what say ye of the lemming like Internet Defense Team?”

    Its been explained a bunch of times, just go back and read them. My guess, you don’t read anything you don’t like or agree with or maybe you get about 2 words into it and go onto the next one. Its pretty simple to figure out actually, if you use the cognitive side of your brain.

  155. A posting on the DarkNet reports the scheduled date circled on Goodell’s calendar for Goodell to release his decision exonerating Brady is the Monday after Brady has missed all of the he games he was originally suspended for.

    That way Goodell keeps making Irsay and the Colts and Johnson and the Jets happy while keeping Brady out of the games he is suspended for and yet clearing Brady’s record.

  156. larryodavid says:
    Jul 21, 2015 4:53 PM

    You’re claiming that ball pressure provides an on-field advantage greater than taking steroids? That is very provocative but I’m not aware of any evidence in favor of that. Where is the “next level” cheating here? To me it’s just different.
    ________________________________

    It directly affects the on-the-field action. Using an easier-to-grip ball is like having to go 9.5 yards for a first down or having wider goalposts than your opponent. PEDs have a less direct impact… the player who’s taking them might be a little faster/stronger, and that might give him an edge in a one-on-one matchup.

  157. He’s putting it off as long as you can to get closer to the start of the season. Therefore, courts won’t be able to get this on their docket fast enough to have the suspension blocked; if they were going to block it at all.
    ===
    It’s called a temporary injunction and you can get one as quickly as you can call the court… especially if the person you’re suing has been slow-walking you. Courts hate that.

  158. But Brady is stupid. Because if it ever went to court, his cell phone records will be subpoenaed. And he would be proven a cheater AND A LIAR to the world.
    ===
    No, they won’t, because the suit will be solely about the NFL’s process, the facts of TWR, and the CBA. The only discovery will be on the NFL.

  159. jhein23 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 12:45 PM

    Hey Brady lovers – check out Mike Sando’s ESPN insider article. He talked to 35 NFL GM’s, league executives, coordinators – all high ranking people and they ranked Aaron Rodgers as the best QB in the game. A couple studied every play by both QB’s last season and said it wasn’t close.

    ————-

    No question Rodgers is the most skilled QB in the league at the moment. He has a better arm then Brady and his mobility is excellent.

    That said, Brady still gets better results. Brady is better in the clutch. When behind in the 4th quarter, Brady is still the best in the league at pulling out wins. Rodgers is in the Cassell/Orton level. He just isn’t very good if he’s behind late in the game. That’s exactly what the stats show, and the sample is pretty big. Go look it up. Brady get’s about 2 more wins a year than Rodgers and that is because he steals them in the 4th quarter. Rodgers makes too many mistakes in that spot.

    Brady miracles have gotten him the first or second seed in the playoffs for 5 years straight. None greater than 2013 when Brady stole victories from New Orleans, Cleveland and Denver.

    Rodgers hasn’t shown he can do that. Instead he lost to Buffalo this year in a game he should have won, had to play on the road in Seattle and didn’t make it to the big game.

    Rodgers is amazing, but I’ll take Brady in the 4th.

  160. realdealsteel says:

    Jul 21, 2015 3:54 PM

    Roger is smart. Here’s why:

    He’s putting it off as long as you can to get closer to the start of the season. Therefore, courts won’t be able to get this on their docket fast enough to have the suspension blocked; if they were going to block it at all.

    But Brady is stupid. Because if it ever went to court, his cell phone records will be subpoenaed. And he would be proven a cheater AND A LIAR to the world.
    ———————–
    realdealsteel is stupid. Here’s why:

    If Goodell stalls, Brady is still playing, he’ll get a temporary injunction and he won’t serve any games until this is finally resolved in federal court.

    Do you really think Brady is afraid of his cell records being subpoenaed? If that’s the case tell me why he cooperated for the initial 5 hour interview? Also, why did Brady voluntarily testify under oath at his 11 hours appeal?

    Guilty people don’t generally volunteer to go under oath for an 11 hour appeal.

    It’s been 100% proven through basic science that DEFLATION never happened, at all. The balls were not deflated at all, so all the shoddy circumstantial evidence means NOTHING.

  161. Harve Gulch Cowboy says:
    Jul 21, 2015 1:08 PM
    Patriot fans have a lot of problems deciphering language that is self explanatory to the rest of us.

    =================

    Not only does Boston and the Patriots area ( Maine,N.H,Vt.Ma,R.I, Ct) have a great sports fan base, we’re also #1 in College rankings, #1 or #2 in the nation on K-12 rankings (If it’s not Mass, then NH or Vt takes over). So, deciphering language isn’t an issue like in the West, South,mid-west etc…
    Now, go decipher See Spot Run. Run Spot, run!

  162. A posting on the DarkNet reports the scheduled date circled on Goodell’s calendar for Goodell to release his decision exonerating Brady is the Monday after Brady has missed all of the he games he was originally suspended for.

    That way Goodell keeps making Irsay and the Colts and Johnson and the Jets happy while keeping Brady out of the games he is suspended for and yet clearing Brady’s record.
    ===
    That doesn’t work. Players are allowed to play while appeals are being held. If Goodell waits until the day after NEP’s fourth game to announce the appeal decision, then Brady would have played all four games.

  163. canedaddy says:
    Jul 21, 2015 5:02 PM
    larryodavid says:
    Jul 21, 2015 4:53 PM

    You’re claiming that ball pressure provides an on-field advantage greater than taking steroids? That is very provocative but I’m not aware of any evidence in favor of that. Where is the “next level” cheating here? To me it’s just different.
    ________________________________

    It directly affects the on-the-field action. Using an easier-to-grip ball is like having to go 9.5 yards for a first down or having wider goalposts than your opponent. PEDs have a less direct impact… the player who’s taking them might be a little faster/stronger, and that might give him an edge in a one-on-one matchup.
    —————————–
    Got it. Something you consider as cheating and provides a big advantage (although science has proven never occurred)and other examples of cheating are ok cheating because everyone cheats that way. Pathetic.

  164. smasonsmith says:
    Jul 21, 2015 5:05 PM

    But Brady is stupid. Because if it ever went to court, his cell phone records will be subpoenaed. And he would be proven a cheater AND A LIAR to the world.
    ===
    No, they won’t, because the suit will be solely about the NFL’s process, the facts of TWR, and the CBA. The only discovery will be on the NFL.

    ————

    Even if they could be subpoenaed it wouldn’t show anything more. All the texts to and from Brady to the locker room guys were already revealed. If he did it, I doubt he was texting anyone else about it. There would be no reason. That’s the point of why he refused to give the league access. He already cooperated fully and it would set a negative precedent for the players. Brady wouldn’t go to court if he was afraid of more text messages coming out.

  165. “It directly affects the on-the-field action. Using an easier-to-grip ball is like having to go 9.5 yards for a first down or having wider goalposts than your opponent. ”

    You understand that this is nothing but a theory Right?

    There’s a theory that there’s an advantage to using a ball that’s under-inflated by 0.25 psi, and there’s a theory that Brady arranged for this to happen and there’s a theory that the Pats’ success is due to this, but not one of these theories has been demonstrated, right?

  166. “Deflating balls to get a competitive edge is taking cheating to the next level. It’s breaking the rules to get a direct on-field advantage, and it clearly made a big difference for Brady… if not, why would he risk his reputation by cheating?”

    Do you know what a circular argument is?

    If so, please recognize that you’ve yet to actually demonstrate that Brady cheated, or that anybody associated with the Patriots cheated.

    I love how when, confronted with the evidence that the pressures were only off by a miniscule amount, some people still insist that there must have been cheating going on, and that it must have been important, because otherwise cheating wouldn’t have been going on.

    The far simpler explanation, that we shouldn’t take the numbers that seriously due to (a) lack of controls, and (b) the fact that the Pats’ pressures were pretty much where they should have been – both of these things are discarded.

    Would be nice if people would agree that the only person demonstrated to be a liar here is the NFL source that told Chris Mortensen that “11 of 12” footballs were 2 psi low or more.

  167. Limakey,
    I know you believe that Brady is guilty and deserves the penalty. But tell me honestly, do you believe that Goodell has a legitimate reason for delaying his Brady appeal response?

  168. I think Thomas knowingly broke the rules when he secreted his cellular telephone from the Commissioner and let some underling fellows lose their careers and stalwartly fall on their swords for his good, not their own. He should be a proper gentleman and admit his shortcomings and offer up to the league, the fans, the press and lo, himself, his culpability in this sorted matter and accept his come uppance like a good old chap. What doth thou thinks?

  169. Goodell needs to be careful “examining all the evidence in this appeal”.

    It’s like someone heading to the gallows taking a good look at the rope.

    This is Goodell’s Waterloo.

    BYE BYE ROGER DODGER!!!

  170. Goodell is Dorito Dink.
    As for those gloating that Rodgers is the best QB according to ESPN we don’t care. We got the ring. We are the champions. We’ll keep Brady. Your QBs will grow old and will never catch up with Brady. You losers wish Brady would get hurt so your pathetic teams can catch up because sham scandals did not do the job. Parity without Brady. Maybe your teams would get a reprieve for four games. Then the slaying begins…

  171. I think Thomas knowingly broke the rules when he secreted his cellular telephone from the Commissioner and let some underling fellows lose their careers and stalwartly fall on their swords for his good, not their own. He should be a proper gentleman and admit his shortcomings and offer up to the league, the fans, the press and lo, himself, his culpability in this sorted matter and accept his come uppance like a good old chap. What doth thou thinks?
    ===
    That you’re not The Bard, Chaucer, or even Marlowe, so use modern English.

  172. canedaddy says:
    Jul 21, 2015 5:02 PM
    larryodavid says:
    Jul 21, 2015 4:53 PM

    It directly affects the on-the-field action. Using an easier-to-grip ball is like having to go 9.5 yards for a first down or having wider goalposts than your opponent. PEDs have a less direct impact… the player who’s taking them might be a little faster/stronger, and that might give him an edge in a one-on-one matchup.

    ________________________________________

    Your claiming that being artificially faster and stronger than your opponents is not a direct on-field advantage? This seems obviously false.

    Moreover, I would think it is less obvious (or even true) that reducing ball pressure is a distinct on-field advantage.

    Regardless of any degree or level of rule violations (including steroids), it still needs to be proven. You can’t suspend someone for steroid use without a positive test. In Brady’s case it was not proven that he deflated footballs.

  173. I hope the Judge sets an indefinite Timeline for Goodell’s community service for his part in the Coercion, Slander & Defamation against Brady.

  174. infectorman says:
    Jul 21, 2015 1:08 PM

    “Go ahead Patri*t fans… let’s see you spin the words of Brady’s own statement.”

    We don’t have to; you already have….to fit your narrative.

    What’s truly shocking is that you’ve confirmed that Tom Brady is the only professional athlete to ever in the history of professional sports, sign memorabilia and give it to the employees of the team he works for.
    This is a SHOCKING discovery by the ever-intrepid denverdude7.
    Thank God you’re here to interpret all of this. My stars! What would we do without you?

    Believe what you want, Haters.
    2015 NE Patriots
    Superbowl Champs….again
    *************************************
    infectorman,

    Where did I write that Brady was the only one doing this? Nowhere that’s where.

    That being said, Brady is the only who has admitted it though so it has now become public knowledge.

    Also, why is it that the number 1 defense argument for Patri*t supporters always seems to be that everybody else is doing it too? Everybody else didn’t get caught. The Patri*ts did. Or, in this case Brady admitted to it.

    Also, if DeflateGate didn’t happen then why are Jastremski and McNally suspended and/or fired?

    I’ve heard other Patri*t supporters say it’s because of theft of team property and equipment. Would that be the same equipment Brady inscribed, signed and gave to them?

  175. jhein23 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 12:45 PM

    Hey Brady lovers – check out Mike Sando’s ESPN insider article. He talked to 35 NFL GM’s, league executives, coordinators – all high ranking people and they ranked Aaron Rodgers as the best QB in the game. A couple studied every play by both QB’s last season and said it wasn’t close.
    ——————————————————
    You left out the part where Brady has four rings to Cheatin A. Rogers one. A couple out of 35 huh? Let’s see. Rogers head coach and GM probably the two. The players voted Rogers the best QB in the league and Brady second best. One guy is 38, the other 31. One guy played with a wealth of offensive talent, the other, not so much. Look, Rogers is the most talented qb at this time but until he builds the kind of resume that Brady has Brady takes a back seat to no one.

  176. Although the Patriots haters will always have Goodell’s back now, there’s no question that Goodell himself has tarnished the shield

    Truly, if you ever wanted proof that Goodell himself is a threat to the integrity of the game, all you have to look to is the hysteria he created with his hand crafted “deflated ball scandal”

    That is, the one in which the balls actually weren’t deflated

  177. Rootpain, I think there could be several reasons for the delay. We don’t know if Tom did provide more evidence that they need to look into. Also, perhaps there was new information in Brady’s final notes. For example, perhaps he admits he did lie about McNally because his lawyer gave him told him to. Well his new lawyer has given him different advice. So does this explain his lack of candor and does it come off the table?

  178. letsgobuffalo4 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 2:18 PM

    sully25ah says:
    Jul 21, 2015 2:08 PM

    Going to ESPN was in the same convo in which they were complaining about Tom Brady and how meticulous he is about how to prepare balls. You pats need a text that specifically says “Tom brady asks us to deflate balls after the inspection to under the legal limit”. Anything else u consider ‘speculation’. If the convo goes “im so tired of Tom and how meticulous he is about these stupid balls. I should go to ESPN.” you would say “well those are two different sentences and technically we dont know who they are going to ESPN about. Now lets us common sense, something Boston lacks. But still, why go to a media outlet? what other possible reasoning is there? Id say lets just the ball boys……..but the Pats fired them and now the league has no access to them. How convenient. Lets let this go to court, lets see toms phone, lets put the ball boys on the stand under oath and see where this goes. We all want the truth right???? So why do pats fans want this dropped now and leave all this doubt. Lets air everything out and go from there.
    ——————————————————-
    Here’s a little of that common sense you seek. The Pats didn’t fire the ball boys. They have been suspended at the NFL’s request. If the league has no access to them that must be the leagues fault, not the Pats. Now again, as a Pats fan let me say this as clearly as I can so it can make common sense to even those in Buffalo. Pats fans want Tom Brady to go to court. We want the facts to come out in public. We want to hear the ball boys testimony. We want it ALL! And why do we want this so badly? Yeah genius, because we think Brady is absolutely innocent and the victim of a slanderous, trumped up criminal action by league officials and members of opposing teams. We DARE Goodell to punish Brady in any form. We can’t wait for the trial to begin and for the haters to choke on it when Brady is vindicated.

  179. limakey – you nor anyone on this board knows why there is a delay or anything about what Tom and his lawyers discuss. You’re hypothetical reasons are no more valid than me saying the possible reason for delay is that Goddell is perhaps deciding to admit this was all a sham is deciding to resign and donate his $40M salary to Brady for damages he caused….

  180. Disorien, I was asked by another poster, Rootpain, what I thought the delay was. And I answered honestly, what I thought. I think it is only fair that if Tom did bring new evidence or if he was given bad advice it should be considered.

  181. No Limakey and other doubters, Brady will be vindicated. You may not change your minds. But that’s ok because so far, only a few of you have indicated what it would take to convince you of his innocence. Pretty open question for there not to be any response. Based on that relative lack of objectivity, many doubters will remain. But more importantly, Brady’s reputation will be sanitized, he will win one or more Super Bowls and MVPs and he will enter the HoF on the first ballot. And Goodell? He will win none of these.

  182. Limakey,
    While I’ll admit you did respond to my specific question about the legitimacy of Goodell’s delay in responding to Brady’s appeal, I was hoping for more objectivity. After all it was Goodell who offered that a response would be coming shortly, two weeks ago. All the information was received and read at the time (or why else would he offer the timeline). And now to say we will announce our decision when we have made it (his use of plural subject, not mine) is again, disingenuous. I thought you might have at least agreed with that. But alas, not. Oh well, that doesn’t prevent you from having a change of heart in the future and becoming a Patriots fan. All are welcome.

  183. Imodan, Brady will never be vindicated. If any of the games are lifted, it does not prove his innocence.
    ====
    And this… This is the problem for you and your fellow travelers – and for the league. There is literally nothing than anyone can do or say that will convince you that Brady did nothing wrong. That is a completely anti-factual position to take, but it is why he will sue for defamation.

  184. Rootpain, you know the respect and the honor I have for you, but I just don’t see it happening. Winning more games or another Superbowl will never change a thing. Deflategate will haunt him for the rest of career and life. There are HOF voters who will be convinced of his guilt but who will say it’s no big deal. Others will say it is a big deal.

  185. Roger is trying to figure out how to credibly justify the Wells Report’s findings that the Laws of Physics applies to the Colts balls – explaining why it’s OK they were under 12.5 psi

    … with the notion that the Laws of Physics DON’T apply to the Patriots footballs, explaining why it is NOT OK they were under 12.5 psi

    Good luck Roger. Only gullible hater fans will believe that.

  186. Imodan, I understand why Pat fans want this to go to court. You want JM and JJ on the record. But what if Tom Brady does not? There is undeniable proof that JM and JJ gave conflicting evidence compared to Brady’s. So what is going to be proved in court, in Brady’s favor?

  187. @denverdude7

    I don’t care what Brady said about siging gear and hookin people up.

    You’re the one who brought it up as if it was some kind of capital crime.

    Bottom line is this:

    not one anti Brady /Anti NE poster has been able to answer this theory reasonably and without severe blind hate and/or jealousy:

    Maybe Brady did tell them to deflate the balls to the lowest legal limit because he was pissed about the Refs having zero oversight or rules to follow when it came to OVER inflated balls.
    Like 16 PSI overinflated as in the Jets game.

    Why do you think the deflator was razzing him to the other guy?
    You don’t know what happened so stop acting like you do!

  188. Seems like Goodell is a tad obsessed with Brady. It’s getting a little creepy. The hoopla started in January and he still is not done with this incident. No timeline? Brady distracts him so much that Le’Veon case does not ring a bell.

  189. denverdude7 wrote: When does the investigation into the souvenirs and “game balls” Brady inscribed, autographed and gave to Jastremski and McNally to “help them out” multiple times begin?

    Please note these words were a direct quote from Tom Brady himself.
    ———————
    Not denying that Brady gave the gifts described (as has already been pointed out, this is routine for NFL players), but where does this direct quote of “help them out” by Brady come from? It’s not in the Wells Report. Did you just make this up?

  190. ampats says:
    Jul 21, 2015 3:33 PM
    @ampatsisagenius,

    “you might want to check the record on it,”

    Brady is 7-2 vs Steelers lifetime losing 34-20 in 2004 and 25-17 in 2011. Are those the two “worst” losses in Brady’s career?

    Are those the facts you wanted us to check Frankie?
    ————————————————–

    Both games were smackdowns, and worse than even the scores indicated. I was there for the 2011 bashing, which yes, was one of Brady’s worst games — he couldn’t even pass for a measly 200 yards that game and his YPA was a paltry 5.7. Same with 2004, when Brady did break 200 yards passing (woo hoo!) but notched a pretty stinky 72.9 passer rating in the drubbing. Now why don’t you compare those numbers to his career averages, Sparky, and tell me how they stack up.

    So yes, I DO want you to check the facts, and continue your ongoing education provided by me. You’ll find that, yep, he sure did have two of his worst games ever against the Steelers. (And I won’t even get into the beatdown of 2008 he escaped and let the poor backup take in his place.)

    Now, while you were so busy butting in and so eager to shoot off your mouth — the point I was making to the original poster was that Brady doesn’t “always” beat the Steelers as he claimed. Get that, Sparky?

    Hey, thanks for jumping in where you weren’t invited bud, and getting schooled… adios.

  191. limakey says:
    Jul 21, 2015 8:14 PM
    Imodan, Brady will never be vindicated. If any of the games are lifted, it does not prove his innocence.
    ——————
    Right, the impartial reports have already vindicated him. Goodell just needs to do the obvious and drop this nonsense.

  192. jld62 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 10:10 PM

    denverdude7 wrote: When does the investigation into the souvenirs and “game balls” Brady inscribed, autographed and gave to Jastremski and McNally to “help them out” multiple times begin?

    Please note these words were a direct quote from Tom Brady himself.
    ———————
    Not denying that Brady gave the gifts described (as has already been pointed out, this is routine for NFL players), but where does this direct quote of “help them out” by Brady come from? It’s not in the Wells Report. Did you just make this up?
    *****************************************

    The quote was posted on this very website in the very first days of the scandal before Brady clammed up.

    One more question:

    If, as Patri*t fans would have you believe DeflateGate never happened and Brady gave the souvenirs to Jastremski and McNally then why are Jastremski & McNally suspended and/or fired?

    It would appear that going by the Patri*t excuse network that nothing happened at all. So why are two people effectively out of a job if nothing happened?

    One more rant since I’m already here…

    Please stop using the excuse that everyone else is doing wrong too. It didn’t work as an excuse when we were children and it doesn’t work now either.

  193. Dunston, I believe Brady is guilty. But I also believe that if he has produced new evidence, even in his final brief, then it deserves to be looked at carefully and considered.

  194. denverdude7 says:

    “If, as Patri*t fans would have you believe DeflateGate never happened and Brady gave the souvenirs to Jastremski and McNally then why are Jastremski & McNally suspended and/or fired?”


    Pay attention. The league sent a memo ordering the Pats to suspend the two clowns indefinitely. The league (incredibly) denied they ordered this, but the Pats burned them by releasing the memo. The League suspended them, not the Pats.

    Regardless, they deserve to be punished. Not for deflating balls (PV=nRT did that), but for stealing equipment from the team.

  195. limakey says:
    Jul 21, 2015 9:30 PM
    There is undeniable proof that JM and JJ gave conflicting evidence compared to Brady’s. So what is going to be proved in court, in Brady’s favor?
    ========
    Would you provide the undeniable proof that JM and JJ gave conflicting evidence? I don’t recall seeing that.

  196. denverdude7 says:
    Jul 22, 2015 6:39 AM
    jld62 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 10:10 PM

    denverdude7 wrote: When does the investigation into the souvenirs and “game balls” Brady inscribed, autographed and gave to Jastremski and McNally to “help them out” multiple times begin?

    Please note these words were a direct quote from Tom Brady himself.
    ———————
    Not denying that Brady gave the gifts described (as has already been pointed out, this is routine for NFL players), but where does this direct quote of “help them out” by Brady come from? It’s not in the Wells Report. Did you just make this up?
    *****************************************

    The quote was posted on this very website in the very first days of the scandal before Brady clammed up.

    One more question:

    If, as Patri*t fans would have you believe DeflateGate never happened and Brady gave the souvenirs to Jastremski and McNally then why are Jastremski & McNally suspended and/or fired?

    It would appear that going by the Patri*t excuse network that nothing happened at all. So why are two people effectively out of a job if nothing happened?

    One more rant since I’m already here…

    Please stop using the excuse that everyone else is doing wrong too. It didn’t work as an excuse when we were children and it doesn’t work now either.
    ——————————
    He didn’t do it as the impartial reports have proven.
    What’s comical is that a Broncos fan would call another team out for cheating. How can you honestly do this with the history of the franchise you support? It’s completely hypocritical. Whether you believe the Patriots did something or not, if your team has a checkered past, such as Denver, you have no leg to stand on, you just look foolish.

  197. ampatsisahypocrite says:
    Jul 21, 2015 11:05 PM
    ampats says:
    Jul 21, 2015 3:33 PM
    @ampatsisagenius,

    “you might want to check the record on it,”

    Brady is 7-2 vs Steelers lifetime losing 34-20 in 2004 and 25-17 in 2011. Are those the two “worst” losses in Brady’s career?

    Are those the facts you wanted us to check Frankie?
    ————————————————–

    Both games were smackdowns, and worse than even the scores indicated. I was there for the 2011 bashing, which yes, was one of Brady’s worst games — he couldn’t even pass for a measly 200 yards that game and his YPA was a paltry 5.7. Same with 2004, when Brady did break 200 yards passing (woo hoo!) but notched a pretty stinky 72.9 passer rating in the drubbing. Now why don’t you compare those numbers to his career averages, Sparky, and tell me how they stack up.

    So yes, I DO want you to check the facts, and continue your ongoing education provided by me. You’ll find that, yep, he sure did have two of his worst games ever against the Steelers. (And I won’t even get into the beatdown of 2008 he escaped and let the poor backup take in his place.)

    Now, while you were so busy butting in and so eager to shoot off your mouth — the point I was making to the original poster was that Brady doesn’t “always” beat the Steelers as he claimed. Get that, Sparky?

    Hey, thanks for jumping in where you weren’t invited bud, and getting schooled… adios.
    —————————
    Yah, you showed and “schooled him……..
    Brady owns the Steelers. 7-2, spin that however you want. Clown.

  198. Brady’s #s against Pitt are better than against any other team in the NFL other than ATL. And that’s less than half the sample size. Brady/BB OWN Pitt. Of course they are not perfect, and Pitt has had some very good teams over the last 15 years, but to spin it any way other than the Pats have owned Pitt since 2001 is ignorant.

  199. “There is no timeline” on Brady’s appeal. When is the timeline for a new commissioner?

  200. Translation: “God help me, I need another scandal so this will go away!”

    There is no proof that anything occurred. More likely than not? That doesn’t convey a lot of confidence nor does it lend credibility to a suspension. Hasn’t Roger embarrassed himself and the league enough? The owners better can this guy quick and contain the damage that has been done since he took office.

  201. The league should just announce the decision they already know how brady team will fight this if he goes to court no need to drag out a story about balls any longer.

  202. jhein23 says:
    Jul 21, 2015 12:45 PM

    Hey Brady lovers – check out Mike Sando’s ESPN insider article. He talked to 35 NFL GM’s, league executives, coordinators – all high ranking people and they ranked Aaron Rodgers as the best QB in the game. A couple studied every play by both QB’s last season and said it wasn’t close.

    _________________________________
    I have to agree with you, especially
    The way Brady shredded the Legion of Boom,
    Arguably one of the best defenses in NFL history,
    And set Super Bowl records, and helped his team
    Win the game 28-24…You’re absolutely right, it isn’t even close!

  203. Both games were smackdowns, and worse than even the scores indicated. I was there for the 2011 bashing, which yes, was one of Brady’s worst games — he couldn’t even pass for a measly 200 yards that game and his YPA was a paltry 5.7. Same with 2004, when Brady did break 200 yards passing (woo hoo!) but notched a pretty stinky 72.9 passer rating in the drubbing. Now why don’t you compare those numbers to his career averages, Sparky, and tell me how they stack up.

    So yes, I DO want you to check the facts, and continue your ongoing education provided by me. You’ll find that, yep, he sure did have two of his worst games ever against the Steelers. (And I won’t even get into the beatdown of 2008 he escaped and let the poor backup take in his place.)

    Now, while you were so busy butting in and so eager to shoot off your mouth — the point I was making to the original poster was that Brady doesn’t “always” beat the Steelers as he claimed. Get that, Sparky?

    Hey, thanks for jumping in where you weren’t invited bud, and getting schooled… adios.
    ———————————————————–
    the Halloween 2004 game was a thrashing, sure, half the Pats defense was injured and not playing. Besides, the playoff game that year was a bit more important wasn’t it? What happened there? Right.
    2008 Brady wasn’t even playing.
    It’s ok Steeler fans, you have a good offense, and a good defense. What you don’t have is the ability to adjust. Brady picks apart the Steeler’s scheme. I don’t see any different this year to be honest. You may win, but it will be a shootout, not a shutdown.

  204. One thing that will hurt the pats is the that TP has retired. Brady abused him over and over. That guy was a freak, but I’ve never seen a quality player who bought so hard on pump fakes and who followed the QBs eyes to such extremes.

    Also that Dick LeBeau is gone is bad for the Pats. As noted above, he had great defenses but never adjusted. BB toasted his defenses with in-game adjustments.

  205. Brady’s 101.8 passer rating in that 2011 25-17 loss to Pittsburgh ranks as his 4th highest in a loss. The notion that such a game could be among the worst losses of his career is absurd. Small wonder that a Steelers fan would omit this fact as it directly contradicts his ridiculous claim.

  206. Who cares what Brady’s passer rating is versus the Steelers?

    #1 They aren’t the big dog in the AFC North

    #2 The only stat that matters with Brady is what happens this year when the Patriots are playing with the same ball as everybody else.

  207. I wonder if Brady’s career stats will be recorded as pre and post deflategate? I hope so, that would be better than a 4 game suspension.

  208. jld62 says:
    Jul 22, 2015 12:00 PM
    Brady’s 101.8 passer rating in that 2011 25-17 loss to Pittsburgh ranks as his 4th highest in a loss. The notion that such a game could be among the worst losses of his career is absurd. Small wonder that a Steelers fan would omit this fact as it directly contradicts his ridiculous claim.
    ———————————————–

    What’s “ridiculous” is your use of a single raw stat taken at face value with no contextual application, in an attempt to turn a piece of manure into gold.

    I happened to be at that game, and saw how Brady was being harassed and frustrated all game. New England put up 17 points which doesn’t reflect the domination of their offense — one of those TDs on Brady’s “high QB rating game” came off a legendary EIGHT-YARD drive set up by an interception. In fact if not for New England’s defense holding the Steelers — who dominated the offensive stats — to field goals at the end of their many long drives, this would have been a complete ugly wipeout, scoreboard-wise as much as it was physical.

    It took Brady 35 passes to amass all of 198 yards — you want to call that a “great” performance? He happened to complete 24 of them, which were dinks (accounting for the pathetic 5.7 YPA) which lifted his completion percentage, but so what? Likewise, his passer rating that day was artificially raised by the gifted-off-the-interception TD drive. After Faulk did most of the work, running 6 yards to the Steelers 2, Brady then tossed a 2-yard TD pass against a defense stacked to stop the run. Wow, someone call Canton, we’ve got a historic drive to report!

    Otherwise, Brady generated 10 points total — you want to call that one of his best games?

    See, here’s the difference between actually examining a game and looking at one number. But it’s not just numbers — I saw Brady on the sideline, slamming the helmet in frustration and squawking like you normally don’t see. I suggest you get a tape of the game and watch it. The game can be summed up as follows: the Steelers dominate possession with about 40 minutes (2 to 1) and go up and down the field all day, but come up short in the red zone. It’s the only thing that keeps New England in the game, as their offense is truly impotent that day. It’s 329 net passing yards for the Steelers to 170 for New England. It’s domination of the New England offense. But hey, Tommy notches a good-looking passer rating, so I’m all crazy for claiming he didn’t have one of his best days. Uh huh.

  209. nepatriot1 says:
    Jul 22, 2015 8:28 AM

    Yah, you showed and “schooled him……..
    Brady owns the Steelers. 7-2, spin that however you want. Clown.
    ———————————————

    Who’s “spinning” anything? I gave the facts and numbers to back up what I said. The problem is, you don’t read… I was answering someone who claimed that Brady never loses to the Steelers. I wasn’t referring to his overall record, which isn’t the point.

    Patriots fans maintain this myth in their minds that Brady is somehow undefeated all time against the Steelers and his mere presence guarantees victory. Which isn’t true. And while he’s enjoyed a lot of success, like I said, there have been a couple games where he’s been owned. I know, I saw one of them in person.

  210. majormalphunktion says:
    Jul 22, 2015 10:26 AM

    the Halloween 2004 game was a thrashing, sure, half the Pats defense was injured and not playing. Besides, the playoff game that year was a bit more important wasn’t it? What happened there? Right.
    2008 Brady wasn’t even playing.
    It’s ok Steeler fans, you have a good offense, and a good defense. What you don’t have is the ability to adjust. Brady picks apart the Steeler’s scheme. I don’t see any different this year to be honest. You may win, but it will be a shootout, not a shutdown.
    —————————————————-

    Oh please, excuses now? How about I bring up every guy on my team who was ever hurt playing New England.  C’mon, you had the great Tom Brady! I thought he was, like, invincible and able to score like 80 points a game against the Steelers. What, you’re telling me now you have to make excuses for him? Oh, Superman isn’t able to overcome a couple defensive boo boos? I don’t get it.

    In 2008 Brady didn’t play, but that Steeler defense was a lot better than the one that dominated him in 2011 (misleading QB rating aside). When the Steelers have been able to pressure him they’ve won, and they outright steamrolled your 0-line that day. Brady has a lot of gifts, but mobility isn’t one of them. He’d have been roadkill, you can bet on it. In fact, as Cassel is a track star compared to Brady, you’re probably lucky you had the backup in that day.

    I agree with you that the Steelers will likely have to score to keep up in a potential shootout IF Brady plays. The new young untested defense is a question mark, and there’s no telling what success Brady may have should he play. If they can’t pressure him it could be a long night. We’ll see.

  211. majormalphunktion says:
    Jul 22, 2015 10:26 AM

    the Halloween 2004 game was a thrashing, sure, half the Pats defense was injured and not playing.
    ————————————————–

    The entire Legion of Boom was basically half-crippled for the Super Bowl, but I’ve yet to hear any Patriots fans bring this up… no, they just go on drooling about how great Brady’s performance was. Sherman, Chancellor and Thomas were all hurt and nowhere near full strength. Seattle lost Lane early, which changed the game, as the backup corner became the punching bag for both Edelman and LaFell. Maybe if we’re going to use injuries as an excuse we should do the same when it comes to noting their role in helping Brady play better too?

  212. What’s the hold up on The Decision? Goodell wants to put it off as long as possible to collect at least one more $44 million paycheck…maybe even two of’em.

  213. I notice no Patriots fans have responded since I showed them the real story behind Brady’s games where he’s been dominated by the Steeler defense.

    Proving once again, while you can make up multiple accounts to manipulate the thumbs-up/down function here, you can’t cheat the facts.

  214. ampatsisahypocrite says:
    Jul 23, 2015 12:31 PM

    I notice no Patriots fans have responded since I showed them the real story behind Brady’s games where he’s been dominated by the Steeler defense.

    =============================

    Perhaps you should go through all 272 comments again. Saw MANY disproving the Stealer’s so-called dominance. Losing two games certainly isn’t “dominance”. Good try on the spin though.

  215. I just figured it out … Goodell will probably make the announcement on Brady’s appeal around the time that the World Series starts!

  216. Ampatsisahypocrite initially claimed that Brady’s two losses to the Steelers were “two of Brady’s worst losses ever”. When that claim is exposed as exaggerated rhetoric, he shifts to “claiming he [Brady] didn’t have one of his best days.” Hilarious.

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