NFLPA “prepared to take the next step” if Tom Brady loses appeal

AP

If NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell doesn’t allow Patriots quarterback Tom Brady to play in Week One, the players’ union will try to take that decision out of Goodell’s hands.

That’s the word from NFLPA President Eric Winston, who said on today’s PFT Live that if Goodell does not overturn Brady’s suspension on appeal, the NFLPA is ready to keep fighting.

“It’s not even worth trying to guess what’s going on because it doesn’t seem like all the time that they know what’s going on,” Winston said. “I hope they do the right thing, I hope they exonerate Tom and overturn his suspension, but if they don’t we’re prepared to take the next step, whatever that next step might be. But we can’t take that next step and we can’t go forward until a decision is made. Why it takes over a month, and why it took six months to get to that point before that, and the constant feet-dragging on not just Tom’s issue but all the issues is, to me, just seems a bit ridiculous and doesn’t serve the players very well. But that’s where we’re at now and we’re just going to have to continue to keep advocating for our players.”

Winston didn’t specify what that “next step” might be, but it would seem to mean the union and Brady would go to court to try to have his suspension overturned.

A court fight, of course, would take time, and the whole Deflategate mess has already taken a lot of time. Goodell continues to say he doesn’t have a timeline to make his decision, but the Patriots, Brady and the NFLPA all wish Goodell would make up his mind already, so that they can determine what their next step should be.

174 responses to “NFLPA “prepared to take the next step” if Tom Brady loses appeal

  1. Next step, let’s start that next step by getting the deposition of both the involved ball employees. That ought to just about finish this nonsense up.

    We know three people know what happened. Only one is on record.

  2. There IS no next step. The NFL is a private employer and are completely free within their rights to punish Tom Brady for refusing to cooperate in an investigation regarding his cheating. Try refusing to cooperate with an investigation at your job instead of assisting to exonerate yourself and see what happens.

  3. wait…..didn’t Goodell two weeks ago say the decision would be “soon”?

    Soon can still fall under the definition of ‘there is no timeline’….but it’s quickly approaching ‘later’, which is more or less the opposite of soon.

  4. Return the picks that were stolen by those lying thieves and expose everyone in the front office. Fans deserve better than these clowns.

  5. Question for fans of other 31 teams: If Brady is fully exonerated by the courts, how many of you will admit that you were wrong and accept that Brady is innocent? The answer to this question would tell if you are after the truth or after the Patriots.

  6. “I am going to sit on the evaluation until after the last pre-season game. I will then uphold my ruling and through stall tactics make the issue moot,”
    Roger.

  7. Which means he lost the appeal. They know the outcome and they’re getting their legal ducks in a row before announcing it.

  8. The damage is done. The Patriots will be branded as ‘Cheaters’ by the same moronic crowd that still thinks that Spygate was about filming game signals and was always illegal, when in reality it was about camera placement and was made illegal in 2006…

    Goodell has taken the fans of the other 31 teams for the fools that they are. When this whole bubble bursts on top of the NFL, will the jealousy cease and will the naysayers eat their words as they so justly deserve?

    They won’t. I wish that would be “More probable than not”.

  9. Brady knew he was bending the rules, and no, the “ideal gas law” does not account for all of the variables involved. He should takes his punishment like a man and move on. The NFL needs to take the game balls out of the teams’ hands and correct the pressure between each quarter.

  10. Is this over yet? Goddell is an idiot, Brady is a liar who’s hiding behind his lawyers like the weasel he’s always been.

    #alwaysacheetah

  11. It’s “more probable than not” Goodell doesn’t know what to do next. He’s likely “generally aware” he really messed this whole thing up.

  12. All this over 0.4 psi of deflation that, and it’s hard to overstate this point, the NFL can’t reliably show even happened, let alone that it was due to human involvement rather than environmental changes.

    How does Goodell still have a job?

  13. I hope the NFLPA does appeal the decision and that all involved people have to go under oath and give testimony in public trial.

  14. When you are making $55MM a year as the “commish” you “milk it”. I don’t know what Vincent and Pash make but I suspect it far exceeds what they could earn elsewhere.

    I am not normally in favor of going to court but the players have to when their is no equitable resolution in the CBA process.

    The NFL can’t can these guys (not that they would) until Brady signs off on mutual releases. Milking it is great job security.

  15. I know the NFLPA is supposedly representing CryBrady in this mess. But what happens if he decides to accept a lesser suspension, for example 1 game, to be done with this? Does the NFLPA have to follow his orders to back off?

    Also, what if there is a 1 game suspension and CryBrady gets an injuction. He plays week 1 and until this is decided upon. But if the decision goes against him late in the season, then he misses possibly a more important game, possibly a playoff game.

  16. You would think Brady would want this madness to stop. Huge distraction. If it gets cut to 2 games (which I believe it will), shouldn’t he just accept it and move on?

  17. Desperate people make public threats, its also a classless move. All this posturing is disgusting. Brady can’t win, a federal judge won’t be able to change his tarnished image. Honestly, Brady going to court almost makes him look even worse. Who does he think he is? What a narcissistic little puke!

  18. ashjag says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:10 PM
    Question for fans of other 31 teams: If Brady is fully exonerated by the courts, how many of you will admit that you were wrong and accept that Brady is innocent? The answer to this question would tell if you are after the truth or after the Patriots.
    ——————
    BWHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
    You Patsie* fans never disappoint.

  19. Roger and the FO needs to keep the spotlight on in the doldrums of the offseason. What better way to do it than a League vs. The Defending World Champions controversy to escalate drama and keep the focus off of every other sport?

    Baseball is having playoff races? Who cares. The biggest circus is still in town and now it’s year-round.

    This is contrived, orchestrated and scripted. The NFL FO doesn’t just play games from Aug-Feb anymore.

    It’s year round now baby, compliments of the NE Patriots and their success. Rogers “decision” will happen in about 2 weeks and the mainstream media will eat it like candy.

  20. “I don’t know what to get my wife for Christmas, but hey I don’t have a timeline so no big deal.”

    Is the guy that received the Ray Rice elevator tape also in charge of your schedule? Your timeline is week 1 dude. Better get on it.

    The NFL sure does love to play ostrich. Quit sticking your head in the sand, hoping things will go away.

  21. .
    When will the league’s owners ( aka The 32 Stooges) stop and think :

    A. Goodell paid Wells 5 million dollars

    B. Further internal costs, including outside counsel, must be approximately 2 million.

    C. The cost of fighting the player’s union in federal court will be in the neighborhood of another two million.

    D. The loss of league prestige is incalculable. They hung their filthy laundry out in public for all to see. The NFL is a carbon copy of FIFA, corrupt at its very core.

    E. If this were to go to federal court, there’s no telling what other cans of worms could be opened. The Rice, Peterson and Hardy cases could become fair game when considered under ” rules of the shop”.
    .

  22. He makes a good point about the “foot-dragging” by the NFL. It definitely doesn’t serve the players’ interests to have these punishment appeals play out over months and months. Then, the process is also part of the punishment.

    What’s especially unhelpful is that whenever Goodell talks, he just throws out a bunch of PR-designed legal-sounding word salad. For example, leaving aside “fair” for a moment, there’s been literally nothing “open” about the NFL’s treatment of the Brady appeal. “Open and fair” is just a phrase Goodell heard a lawyer use.

  23. ashjag says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:10 PM
    Question for fans of other 31 teams: If Brady is fully exonerated by the courts, how many of you will admit that you were wrong and accept that Brady is innocent? The answer to this question would tell if you are after the truth or after the Patriots.

    ——–
    That makes no sense guilty people get off in the court room all the time.

  24. Heres what the NFLPA needs to do. They need to file a lawsuit immediately in court, 1. Suing that first of all Goodell has violated the CBA on numerous occasions, with this case especially, as soon as practicable passed 2 weeks ago.

    Then they need to get a pre-emptive injunction right now that will allow Brady to play Week 1 regardless of what Goodell decides because we all know his decision is to uphold his own suspension. This guy is a clown and everyone should boycott the NFL week 1 to show the owners Goodell needs to go

  25. The next move for Brady is to get an injunction for
    his suspension (your Honor we have an idiot running the NFL)which will be easy to attain.

  26. Ashjag,
    The same way I feel about Barry Bonds’ “exoneration”….I will laugh at a flawed system that allowed someone to get off on a technicality. That doesn’t mean squat.

  27. ashjag says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:10 PM
    Question for fans of other 31 teams: If Brady is fully exonerated by the courts, how many of you will admit that you were wrong and accept that Brady is innocent? The answer to this question would tell if you are after the truth or after the Patriots.
    ——————————-
    How many people admitted that they were wrong about OJ Simpson, and Casey Anthony, when they were exonerated by the courts?

  28. ashjag says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:10 PM

    I would be ok if this goes to trial and Brady is exonerated. As long as ALL facts are exposed (his phone and putting JJ and JM on the stand). What i cant accept is dropping the punishment at all when we dont have all the facts. NOW, what will pats fans say if this goes to court (it never will) and brady is found guilty. Will this be a conspiracy still? is the court out to get them? Will they then say “ok so what, deflating balls hasnt helped him in any possible way anyways”. Or will you fans man up and say “ok he is a cheater, we cant claim this year and we dont know how many yrs have been tainted by cheating”.

  29. bencoates57 says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:25 PM
    INHERIT THE WIND would be a fitting title for a film about the DeflateGate trial.

    ———————————————

    I’d go with “The Emperor’s New Clothes.”
    The perfect title for a film about an empty suit.

  30. Sure, take the next step so we can get ‘The Deflator’ under oath to tell what happened. Brady is the face of the deflation, but the Pats have effectively shielded and hidden McNally.

    He didn’t call himself Deflator for losing weight and we all know it. The Ideal Gas Law is a bunch of hot air and would be a weak defense if McNally was brought into the light.

  31. jamaltimore says: Jul 22, 2015 4:13 PM

    Is this over yet? Goddell is an idiot, Brady is a liar who’s hiding behind his lawyers like the weasel he’s always been.

    #alwaysacheetah

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    How did ‘Jambalya Joe’ do this year in the playoffs, Mr. Baltimore?

    Oh, that isn’t his nickname?

  32. If Goodell waits too long, the NFLPA will preventively file an injunction to prevent any last minute announcement of his decision that affects week 1.

    And no, even though this situation is in reference to contractually bound proceedings specified in a Collective Bargaining Agreement, you can’t violate that agreement, or any one employees rights, just because the CBA says you have the right to.

    If that were the case there would be no point of threatening a suit, and both parties know this. The union is hoping that Goodell slips up and maintains any portion of the previous suspension so they can overturn the CBA in a court of law. By the way, it has already happened at least once before where a Minn. court decided that Goodell could not be arbitrator of a decision that he previously been solely responsible for. That is the very definition of “conflict of interest.”

  33. Ladies and gentlemen, your Super Bowl XLIX Champions, The New England Patriots.

  34. To all the pats fans saying Brady is innocent and there is nothing on his phone and he has no problem showing it in court if need be. Please remember he refused to show it initially (using the ridiculously terrible ‘precedent’ excuse). He was then issued a 4 game suspension and a chance to appeal. At this point he is guilty and the only way to stop going to trial is to cooperate and show his phone (showing new evidence b/c goodell wont change his mind with no new evidence) and yet again Brady refused to show his phone. What makes you think he will want to in court? Twice now he has had the chance and refused. The fact is he is hiding something on that phone, and my guess it would involve Bill and Kraft- again- no way this goes to court. Stand ur ground Goodell and lets see if Brady actually goes to court or puts his tail between his legs, admits fault and takes the suspension.

  35. mrmcdougle says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:27 PM
    ashjag says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:10 PM
    Question for fans of other 31 teams: If Brady is fully exonerated by the courts, how many of you will admit that you were wrong and accept that Brady is innocent? The answer to this question would tell if you are after the truth or after the Patriots.
    ——————————-
    How many people admitted that they were wrong about OJ Simpson, and Casey Anthony, when they were exonerated by the courts?

    ———
    You see here is the difference…..in those cases there were actual dead bodies found as proof a crime was actually committed. In this case there is no proof that any balls were actually deflated beyond what should be expected due to Mother Nature.

  36. hooded12 says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:30 PM

    Id rather lose honestly than win as a cheater. Most ppl in Boston would rather cheat to win, its just the type of ppl they are. Then they call ppl ‘haters’ cuz they won. Basically the mindset of a 5 yr old.

  37. All of this madness has not distracted me one bit from watching all of the glorious NFL Films clips this offseason. It’s so fun to watch Tom Brady’s 2 spectacularly clutch TD drives against the LOB in the Super Bowl along with Malcolm Butler’s tremendous Super Bowl winning INT! The horror the haters must have felt at that moment. Their tears must have tasted like warm peanut cups drizzled over a chocolate cake. Mmm mmm yummy!

  38. letsgobuffalo4 says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:28 PM
    ashjag says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:10 PM

    I would be ok if this goes to trial and Brady is exonerated. As long as ALL facts are exposed (his phone and putting JJ and JM on the stand). What i cant accept is dropping the punishment at all when we dont have all the facts. NOW, what will pats fans say if this goes to court (it never will) and brady is found guilty. Will this be a conspiracy still? is the court out to get them? Will they then say “ok so what, deflating balls hasnt helped him in any possible way anyways”. Or will you fans man up and say “ok he is a cheater, we cant claim this year and we dont know how many yrs have been tainted by cheating”.

    ———-
    To consider Brady “guilty” two things have to occur:
    1) one would first need to show that the balls were actually intentionally deflated below the legal limit at the start of the game
    2) one would have to show that Brady either did this himself or instructed someone else to deflate the ball below the legal limit.

  39. “thesteelhurtin says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:26 PM

    ashjag says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:10 PM
    Question for fans of other 31 teams: If Brady is fully exonerated by the courts, how many of you will admit that you were wrong and accept that Brady is innocent? The answer to this question would tell if you are after the truth or after the Patriots.

    ——–
    That makes no sense guilty people get off in the court room all the time.”

    Like Ben Roethlisberger?

    Your comment proves the point. Some people decided in January that Brady is guilty and no amount of evidence to the contrary will convince them.

    There’s a word for people who refuse to change their mind even when new evidence is presented. It’s “stupid”.

  40. >There IS no next step. The NFL is a private employer and are completely free within their rights to punish Tom Brady for refusing to cooperate in an investigation regarding his cheating. Try refusing to cooperate with an investigation at your job instead of assisting to exonerate yourself and see what happens.
    ————————————————
    Sorry, they’re *not* completely free to do whatever they want. They have to operate within the confines of the CBA and respect Brady’s rights contained therein.

    Oh, they also have to obey federal labor laws and standards of fair treatment.

  41. The delay in the decision is to put more pressure on Brady. Assuming (1) a part of the suspension is upheld, (2) Brady sues AND (3) Brady gets an injunction allowing him to play pending appeal, the farther out the ultimate court decision is pushed. If the situation is still unresolved in late November, Brady will be faced with a choice of waiting for the court to decide and perhaps being suspended for the playoffs or serving the suspension before that. So the longer Goodell waits, the greater the chance Brady will be forced to withdraw his appeal so he has some control over when he might be forced to sit out.

  42. Each of thos ball boys has a couple a hundred thousand reasons to keep their mouths shut

  43. nhpats says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:41 PM

    And whats your point? As of right now he has been found guilty by Goodell and Wells. Im more than happy for a court to rule the same thing. The evidence as of now points to proving both points you just stated. Call him innocent all you want……..but he has a 4 game suspension as of right now so he is guilty as of right now. No arguing that. If a court deems him innocent then you can call him innocent.

  44. “Id rather lose honestly than win as a cheater. Most ppl in Boston would rather cheat to win, its just the type of ppl they are. Then they call ppl ‘haters’ cuz they won. Basically the mindset of a 5 yr old.”

    What’s the word for a person who never makes an argument but only resorts to name-calling?

    Sorry, but there’s a huge difference in the quality of the pro-Pats and anti-Pats posts. The people defending the Pats have usually read the Wells report, make reference to scientific concepts, legal concepts, and are generally on top of the details of what’s going on.

    The other side consists of people hiding behind a wide variety of constantly switching user names. They use name-calling constantly, act like jumping to conclusions is a sign of intelligence, and make statements indicating that they don’t care about evidence, process, or fairness.

    “Haters” seems like a fair name for these people.

  45. muslimponder says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:08 PM
    There IS no next step. The NFL is a private employer and are completely free within their rights to punish Tom Brady for refusing to cooperate in an investigation regarding his cheating. Try refusing to cooperate with an investigation at your job instead of assisting to exonerate yourself and see what happens.
    ————
    Something tells me Muslimponder has never worked for a company with a unionized workforce.

  46. nhpats says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:38 PM

    Oh yes, “mother nature”. There are much colder stadiums than in NE, like in GB for instance. Now if “mother nature” can drop balls 1-2 PSI in just one half of a game in NE, then over the course of a full game in Green Bay the balls have to drop prob 2-4 PSI right? And yet no one in the history of the NFL has ever noticed 2-4 PSI difference? RRRRiiiiggghhhttttt. And there is proof of delfated balls, regardless of the refs screwing up a process, they were found to be UNDER the legal limit. So either mother nature decided to hit NE and ONLY new england or there was foul play. And after seeing txts, brady contact ball boy after the game 6 times and brady refusing to show his phone- im gonna go with cheating on this one. Good luck in court bud- even tho Brady will take whatever Goodell gives him b/c no way on earth he goes to court.

  47. Tom is puffing his chest out kinda like Kraft did when he said he would expect a full apology from NFL.
    I wonder if Goodell will fry for how he has handled this or if he has an ace in the hole that will show Pats tilted feild for several seasons and it’s not just the Indy game that will get investigated.
    What an embarrassment for Brady/ Pats and their fans.
    Ernie Adams and Belichik already moving forward with next scheme as we speak. Lol………

  48. At a trial, everyone will be under oath, with perjury charges over the head of those who do not tell the truth. When you state that you don’t know someone and the facts show that you texted them, that is perjury.
    The deflater and his assistant will also be under oath. They have to be available and must testify. Tom Brady’s phone & records
    will be made available to the defendants as well. Google Tom Brady wedding gunshot to see what a great witness he will be.

  49. ashjag says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:10 PM

    I would be ok if this goes to trial and Brady is exonerated. As long as ALL facts are exposed (his phone and putting JJ and JM on the stand). What i cant accept is dropping the punishment at all when we dont have all the facts. NOW, what will pats fans say if this goes to court (it never will) and brady is found guilty. Will this be a conspiracy still? is the court out to get them? Will they then say “ok so what, deflating balls hasnt helped him in any possible way anyways”. Or will you fans man up and say “ok he is a cheater, we cant claim this year and we dont know how many yrs have been tainted by cheating”.

    __ __ __ __

    People don’t seem to get it. If Brady appeals, there will be NO evidentiary hearing if federal court. No testimony, no cell phone, no cross examination. The judge will review the record before Goodell under a very limited standard of review. Goodell’s decision will stand so the NFL followed its own rules and as long as Goodell’s decision is is not considered “arbitrary” (i.e., completely unfunded). This will be a very hard standard for Brady to overcome, even if he is completely innocent. So, would people stop taking about the deflators testifying, Tom’s cellphone being introduced, Goodell testifying, etc. That’s NOT how it works.

  50. The length of time it’s taken surely is ridiculous.
    This is the perfect opportunity for Comish to save face and throw Mr. Wells “under the bus” declaring the investigation, and the alleged science to support it, lacked credibility and should therefore be ignored.
    I read today that beginning this season the league plans to test footballs in cold cities, the last 2 months of the season, to see if the cold air causes the footballs to lose air between kick-off and 1/2 time. If that is the case it shows that the league is not that convinced of the Well’s conclusion.
    Logic would tell us that this should be done before the Brady matter is concluded, but than again since when is the League logical?

  51. Funny, how union-hating conservatives have switched sides on this. Suddenly they see he benefits of having a collective unit fighting for your rights to maintain fair employment practices.

    Strange thing is, that they back the union here, but will go on trying to destroy that same protection for people not as rich as Tom Brady.

  52. whispersd says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:46 PM

    You know what else is “stupid”? Refusing to show your phone but asking ppl to just take your word for it! Or a billionaire owner claiming to know what the ball boy meant by deflator- like he is in with their inside convo’s. Or hiding the ball boys from second interviews b/c all the sudden kraft cares about them. Or Brady contacting them 6 times after the game b/c tom all the sudden cares about their feelings even tho he isnt their friend and wouldnt call them about anything that doesnt deal with himself personally.

  53. Ever notice how the most obsessive Patriots bashers are fans of the Patriots biggest rivals?

    (AKA, fans of teams the Patriots routinely mop the floor with and teams the Patriots have beaten in Super Bowls.)

    They foam at the mouth and froth with unimaginable rage. CHEATERS! LIARS! IT’S NOT FAIR!

    Yet fans of teams like the 49ers, Bears, Cardinals and Vikings generally have no opinion.

    Funny how that works … huh?
    🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

    (One smirk for each championship!)

  54. OK genius. What if no decision is announced until mid-September? Where does Brady stand then? If no action is taken by the league, can the NFLPA and Brady force an answer?

  55. “To all the pats fans saying Brady is innocent and there is nothing on his phone and he has no problem showing it in court if need be. Please remember he refused to show it initially (using the ridiculously terrible ‘precedent’ excuse). He was then issued a 4 game suspension and a chance to appeal. At this point he is guilty and the only way to stop going to trial is to cooperate and show his phone (showing new evidence b/c goodell wont change his mind with no new evidence) and yet again Brady refused to show his phone. What makes you think he will want to in court? ”

    You’re living in a fantasy world. This was never about the phone. Go back and read the request given for Brady’s phone and ask yourself how failure to comply could possibly be construed as obstruction. Brady was told that he could pick out all the messages that he considered relevant. When Wells said that, any claim that Brady would have had to “stop hiding the phone” basically falls to pieces. If there had been anything damaging to Brady on the phone, he could have
    a) deleted it
    b) pretended it was never there
    and
    c) simply handed over the copies of text messages that he knew Wells already had.

    The point of the request was that it was a trap. Wells wanted Brady to hand over a subset of messages while claiming that it was all of the messages. And then if Brady had omitted some of the messages that Wells already had, Wells would have charged him with lying.

    There was no investigatory value here at all. It was just a game. And Brady decided he wasn’t going to play.

    There is nothing in the CBA that gives the NFL the right to demand Brady’s phone, or to hand down punishment if he withholds the phone.

    Let’s not pretend the punishment is about holding back the phone. Gostkowski didn’t hand over the phone and he wasn’t punished at all.

  56. ashjag says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:10 PM

    Question for fans of other 31 teams: If Brady is fully exonerated by the courts, how many of you will admit that you were wrong and accept that Brady is innocent?

    The answer to this question would tell if you are after the truth or after the Patriots.

    ———————————————-

    Comment of the year. Anybody care to answer?

  57. Tom Brady is a lying cheater. It’s disgusting to see how many delusional patriots fans visit this board regularly. But surely some patriot fans know Brady is a lying cheater.

  58. We should all take the next step and publicly flog Goodell Vincent Well$ Blandino Mortensen Grigson Harbaugh and then send them packing.

  59. The patriots cheat and cry after being caught while their fans cry even louder and fantasize about an imaginary witch hunt.

    And the deflator has a weight problem.

    Too funny.

  60. “At a trial, everyone will be under oath, with perjury charges over the head of those who do not tell the truth.”

    Brady was under oath during the appeal.

    “When you state that you don’t know someone and the facts show that you texted them, that is perjury.”

    Wrong on both counts. Brady said he didn’t recognize the name “James McNally”. He knows that guy by his nickname. And he never texted McNally, he texted Jastremski.

    “The deflater and his assistant will also be under oath.”

    You don’t even know the basics of this case. The guy people call the “deflator” was not in charge. He was the officials’ locker room guy. Jastremski was Brady’s ball prep guy. He wasn’t McNally’s assistant.

    “They have to be available and must testify.”

    Well, since it would be an appeal, not a re-trying of the original case, no they wouldn’t need to be available. There statements are part of the record already. A court would be judging how Goodell tried the case. They wouldn’t be retrying the case from scratch.

    ” Tom Brady’s phone & records
    will be made available to the defendants as well.”

    Under what legal theory?

    Brady is contesting the judgment that Goodell made. The question would be whether Goodell had the right to demand the phone or to punish Brady for not turning it over. It would not be “what’s in Brady’s phone”?

    This comment is typical of the anti-Brady camp. It’s woefully uniformed, cannot keep straight who is who, and makes simply false statements about how a trial would proceed.

  61. “…then over the course of a full game in Green Bay the balls have to drop prob 2-4 PSI right? And yet no one in the history of the NFL has ever noticed 2-4 PSI difference? RRRRiiiiggghhhttttt.”

    Yes! That’s exactly right! No one in the history of the NFL has ever measured, scrutinized, or remotely cared about the PSI of a team’s footballs prior to the AFCCG. None of that refutes the laws of physics, however.

  62. The Barry Bonds case just ended after ten years. Enjoy your retirement Brady and wasting Gisele’s money on this nonsense.

  63. Here’s is what Goodell should threaten to do…If they do sue or file another appeal then Tom Brady should be on the commish exempt list till it is resolved. So no playing any games until he is off that list and THEN he startes to serve his suspension after that. He will end up with missing alot more than games than 4 that way.

    That will make them drop the lawsuits and let Brady do his time for refusing to cooperate with the investigation.

  64. Unintended Results – I think the NFL Offices and most fans would LOVE this to go to court. I WANT a judge to force Tom Brady to turn over full access to his phone and email records so Tom can’t hide behind this BS of not wanting to prove his innocence.

    He’s toast.

  65. hooded12 says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:12 PM
    The damage is done. The Patriots will be branded as ‘Cheaters’ by the same moronic crowd that still thinks that Spygate was about filming game signals and was always illegal, when in reality it was about camera placement and was made illegal in 2006…

    ————————————————————–

    “camera placement”??? hilarious watching Pats fans tie themselves in moral knots to justify cheating

  66. bishopslappytruelove says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:13 PM
    Brady knew he was bending the rules, and no, the “ideal gas law” does not account for all of the variables involved. He should takes his punishment like a man and move on. The NFL needs to take the game balls out of the teams’ hands and correct the pressure between each quarter.

    ————————————————————
    Oh, please do explain how the IGL does not account for all the variables. If Brady had the “Deflator” remove air, the ball would have measured at a much lower PSI than what the IGL predicts. Any other “evidence” means nothing if there’s no body, so to speak.

  67. Deflategate wont go one trial for one second. The NFLs policies and conduct rulings would. It would be much much bigger than deflategate and none of you would get what your asking for…bradys phone, jastremiski testimony, etc.

  68. Free Jim McNally and John Jastremski, let them speak the truth on deflating!

  69. boltshawks says:
    Jul 22, 2015 5:08 PM

    Unintended Results – I think the NFL Offices and most fans would LOVE this to go to court. I WANT a judge to force Tom Brady to turn over full access to his phone and email records so Tom can’t hide behind this BS of not wanting to prove his innocence.

    He’s toast.

    ________________

    I’m not sure what alternate universe you hail from, but in our version of reality, when you send a text message from you phone, a record of the text exists on both the sender’s and the receiver’s phone.

    The equipment managers have already handed over their phones and records of their text messages were listed in the Wells Report.

    If Brady had sent any incriminating texts to the equipment managers, the investigators would already know about them via the equipment manager’s phones.

    So what, exactly, is it you expect them to find on Brady’s phone that is relevant to the case that we don’t already know about?

  70. What happens if it goes to court and it is found that this whole thing was a set up by front office employees and certain franchises? Will the masses still claim they cheated if it was proven they didn’t in a court of law? Will all the haters apologize?

  71. The longer it takes Goodell, the shorter the timeline Brady has for a court hearing. Which puts more pressure on Brady to accept whatever he is given.

  72. “Unintended Results – I think the NFL Offices and most fans would LOVE this to go to court. I WANT a judge to force Tom Brady to turn over full access to his phone and email records so Tom can’t hide behind this BS of not wanting to prove his innocence.”

    That’s not how appeals work.

    Read a book.

  73. I’m starting to think there will be no suspension, and Goodell is stalling so his decision will be overshadowed by the preseason starting. I mean, why would he want a lawsuit going into the season distracting from the product the NFL provides? Unless he is trying to call the PA’s bluff on suiting, which I’m pretty sure is not one and would be dumb on his part. But at this point, I wouldn’t put anything against Roger Goodell.

  74. After the texts between the ball boys were released, it’s clear as day that Brady is guilty. The posturing and denial by Pats fans is cute and all, but even they know deep down that Brady and the Pats are cheaters multiple times over.

    However, I do agree with Winston in that the league takes takes an inexplicably long time to make decisions about anything and everything. This all should have been resolved before the Superbowl even took place. The fact that we’re here in late July still wondering what’s going on with the leagues decision is baffling and flat out unacceptable.

    Whatever though, I just wish the season were here already. This offseason in particular has been brutal. The non stop daily updates about Russell Wilson’s contract status, deflategate, Dez crying, AP crying, Gronk twerking, and Chip losing his mind have been too overbearing this offseason. Please, regular season, just get here already!

  75. bishopslappytruelove says:

    Jul 22, 2015 4:13 PM

    Brady knew he was bending the rules, and no, the “ideal gas law” does not account for all of the variables involved.
    ———-
    Actually “Ideal Gas Law” 100% accounts for all variables involved.

    IGL says a ball at 12.5 pre-game should be 11.32-11.52 in those conditions by halftime. The Patriots balls were at 11.48.

    The only way to falsely show illegal deflation that can’t be explained by IGL is if you use the LOGO gauge pre-game numbers and compare it to the NON-LOGO halftime numbers. Which is exactly what the Wells report did, it just buried those details in the foot notes so no one would notice and they harped on irrelevant text messages from May 2014 as there “smoking gun”.

    Talk about grasping for straws.

  76. Ideal Gas Law says that a ball inflated to 12.5 PSI before the game should fall between 11.32-11.52 in those conditions by halftime.

    The Patriots balls were at 11.48.

    Innocent on the account that it’s been 100% proven through real facts that no deflation ever occurred.

  77. Anti-Patriot folk get real quiet once you start hitting them with real facts, numbers and science that don’t fit into their “BRADY CHEATED” narrative.

  78. foreigncarnut says:
    Jul 22, 2015 5:21 PM

    The longer it takes Goodell, the shorter the timeline Brady has for a court hearing. Which puts more pressure on Brady to accept whatever he is given.

    —-

    If it looks like Goodell is trying to run out the clock, Brady and the NFLPA won’t wait for him. It should be easy to get an injunction in that kind of situation.

    Goodell’s best route here would be to take the advice that Mike Florio and others have offered: delay the punishment until after this season has played out, and test footballs all season long. It appears that’s the only way that the NFL can “change their mind” without losing face. If the science geeks among us are correct, by December it will be obvious that no ball tampering happened.

    Hopefully then the penalties would be wiped out – all of them, including the draft picks. Except maybe McNally’s for trying to get his buddy to steal athletic shoes for him.

  79. “cooperspur says:
    Jul 22, 2015 5:34 PM

    Add two more games to the suspension for not coming clean already.”

    Again, that’s not how the rules or the law works.

    Goodell is not a king. He cannot just make up punishments on whim. To the extent that he thinks he can is why he keeps losing in court.

  80. Excerpts from wiki on Ideal gas law
    -No longer considered empirical law nor physical principle.
    -Most accurate for monatomic gases
    -Monatomic gases, helium,neon,argon,krypton,xenon and radon.

    So to sum up its only truly useful for predicting the results of kinetic energy on a few gases that aren’t used to inflate footballs. Also doesn’t explain why the ballboy known as deflator would remove them from the locker room after inspection and take them to another room for 2 mins. Hmm ….

  81. ashjag says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:10 PM

    Question for fans of other 31 teams: If Brady is fully exonerated by the courts, how many of you will admit that you were wrong and accept that Brady is innocent? The answer to this question would tell if you are after the truth or after the Patriots

    ****

    If it’s overturned on a technicality of “process”, no.
    If he has the guts to file a civil suit and communications between Goodell and others point to a conspiracy to frame the Patriots, absolutely!

  82. In the best interests of the league, owners pressured Kraft to drop his appeal/legal battle over the deflate gate. The owners need to pressure Goodell to render a decision on Brady in the order to protect the shield. Goodell is a power hungry drama queen.

  83. When the ball boys spoke to Wells FOUR times after agreeing with the Patriots to speak with them FOUR times its decided there was a lack of cooperation. When Brady spends a day of his valuable time with Wells and his minions and doesn’t give up a cell phone they already have the texts on its called a lack of cooperation. Kraft caved in but Brady will not, he owes nothing to the other owners in this league and everything to the NFLPA!

  84. I love the haters with the ball boy comments. The NFL spoke to these guys the night of the AFCG. Heck, they gave them the balls after they were tested to take back out to the field. NFL executives, Wells and Well’s staff all had a shot at these guys on several different occasions and all they could come up with was some three-months-old texts and 90 seconds in a bathroom that Well’s had to distort to pretend they have importance.

    I have worked with litigators for 25 years. No lawyer has ever gotten less out of a witness. Other than the character assassinations the NFL, Wells and the media has engaged in, the NFL’s case is laughable to any of us with experience in these types of conflicts.

    Who do you guys think the ball boys are, DeNiro and Pecsi from Good Fellas?

  85. This question is for all those who say Tom Brady had the footballs deflated below the 12.5 PSI level….

    Explain how the Colts footballs lost PSI….we know they did, the same report that claims Brady “Cheated” or broke the rules, states that the Colts footballs PSI were lower at half time than when the game started…

    So how did that happen? Who deflated those footballs?

  86. Please read the 19 January, 2015 official letter sent to Mr. Kraft from the senior vice president of NFL operations (David Gardi) that informed the Patriots that an investigation will be conducted.

    1. FACT: On page two, the letter states the following: … “each of the Colts’ game balls that was inspected met the requirements set forth.”
    READ THE LETTER!

    Accordingly, that statement turns out to be totally not true. Page 8, of the Wells report confirms that 3 of the 4 Colts’ footballs were in fact deflated.

    What happened next? The press/public were led to believe the Patriots must have cheated and DEFLATEGATE RAN WILD. In essence, everyone was led to believe (via that letter, leaked or otherwise) that if all the Colts’ footballs were within the permissible PSI ranges and the Patriots footballs were not; the Patriots must have cheated.

    Additionally, who made the decision at halftime to STOP testing the Colts’ remaining 8 footballs at half-time (only four balls tested, 3 found deflated)?

    2. What do I believe actually happened? Simply, the NFL went in at halftime to measure the PSI of each football for both teams and when they realized the Colts’ footballs were deflated, someone must have said: “OOPS” we have a problem. That is, both teams have deflated footballs and thus, someone directed to stop testing the remaining 8 Colts’ footballs.

    3. How is this possible for the comments listed in paragraph 2?

    Again simply, the NFL had no clue about the Ideal Gas Law (IGL) prior to commencing their actions in this matter. We all now know that atmospheric conditions will naturally deflate the PSI of footballs. Bottom line: to properly execute the IGL, PSI for EACH football must be taken at the same time prior to the start of the game and also at the same time during half-time and thus, determine correct PSI numbers. Some MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENTS know this!

    4. Why wouldn’t Brady turn his cell phone in? …… WOULD YOU PROVIDE YOUR CELL PHONE TO FOLKS THAT ARE NOT TRUTHFUL (19 Jan. letter)???

  87. Iwhy did you Pats fans report me for asking if the judge doesn’t over turn it will you admit he is guilty and if not does that make you a blind Homer.

  88. “People don’t seem to get it. If Brady appeals, there will be NO evidentiary hearing if federal court. No testimony, no cell phone, no cross examination. The judge will review the record before Goodell under a very limited standard of review.”

    Brady ALREADY appealed. This discussion is about what sort of legal action will be taken if/when Brady loses his appeal. He has threatened to sue Goodell and the league if he’s not exonerated. The NFLPA has made vague threats the nobody is really sure about.

  89. You Pat’s fans need to talk to a first year law student.The NFL is a private company,first off.Brady will have to show texts and emails if this goes to court,it’s called discovery. Goodell was given full power by the NFLPA in the CBA of 2012.Only way a judge ever hears this is if the union can show bias,and there is none. In a civil case it is a preponderance of evidence or more likely than not.Also there is precedence for the punishment.As Vincent stated it is conduct detrimental to the game,and there have been at least 5 players that were suspended for the same thing.This is posturing,nothing more.

  90. BTW,NO the ball boys were not interviewed 4 times by Wells.The NFL interviewed them 3 times,and when Wells took over he wanted to start from scratch,which Kraft himself was on board with.In fact Kraft stated he was glad Wells was investigating,even went as far to say he finds him to be a fair person.

  91. marianfl24 says:
    Jul 22, 2015 6:05 PM
    You Pat’s fans need to talk to a first year law student.The NFL is a private company,first off.Brady will have to show texts and emails if this goes to court,it’s called discovery. Goodell was given full power by the NFLPA in the CBA of 2012.Only way a judge ever hears this is if the union can show bias,and there is none. In a civil case it is a preponderance of evidence or more likely than not.Also there is precedence for the punishment.As Vincent stated it is conduct detrimental to the game,and there have been at least 5 players that were suspended for the same thing.This is posturing,nothing more.

    WRONG!!!

    They have already said over and over again. If it goes to court the process will be the argument.

    It also says in the CBA that only Goodell can hand down the punishment. Guess who didn’t hand out the punishment?

  92. marianfl24 says:
    Jul 22, 2015 6:05 PM

    You Pat’s fans need to talk to a first year law student.The NFL is a private company,first off.Brady will have to show texts and emails if this goes to court,it’s called discovery. Goodell was given full power by the NFLPA in the CBA of 2012.Only way a judge ever hears this is if the union can show bias,and there is none. In a civil case it is a preponderance of evidence or more likely than not.Also there is precedence for the punishment.As Vincent stated it is conduct detrimental to the game,and there have been at least 5 players that were suspended for the same thing.This is posturing,nothing more.

    __________________________________

    Florio wrote about this within the past week. You’re 100% wrong.

  93. marianfl24 says:
    Jul 22, 2015 6:05 PM
    You Pat’s fans need to talk to a first year law student.The NFL is a private company,first off.Brady will have to show texts and emails if this goes to court,it’s called discovery. Goodell was given full power by the NFLPA in the CBA of 2012.Only way a judge ever hears this is if the union can show bias,and there is none. In a civil case it is a preponderance of evidence or more likely than not.Also there is precedence for the punishment.As Vincent stated it is conduct detrimental to the game,and there have been at least 5 players that were suspended for the same thing.This is posturing,nothi

    —–

    “People don’t seem to get it. If Brady appeals, there will be NO evidentiary hearing if federal court. No testimony, no cell phone, no cross examination. The judge will review the record before Goodell under a very limited standard of review.”

    Brady ALREADY appealed. This discussion is about what sort of legal action will be taken if/when Brady loses his appeal. He has threatened to sue Goodell and the league if he’s not exonerated. The NFLPA has made vague threats the nobody is really sure about.

  94. WRONG,WRONG,WRONG !! Nothing whatsoever wrong with the process.Vincent announced the punishment,however it was Goodell and Vincent that decided together.Nothing in the CBA states that cannot happen.Why don’t you try looking up what the NFLPA agreed to as I have done.Nothing,get it,nothing was wrong with the process.You can say there was all day long,doesn’t make it true.

  95. Close your eyes and imagine you are the top performer for a company that earns what the NFL earns and instead of thanking you they railroad you on a trumped up charge, leak lies about you to the media (who print them without question even though they have sucked up to you for years), and when the reality of their mistakes are revealed they double down on the charges and drag out the process, a process that will doc you a month of paychecks and slander your good name.

  96. Brady will never be fully exhorated, he lied and nothing can change that. He did not cooperate fully, he took a stand, if was worth the fine, than its worth the time. However, for those who believe this is possible, before Brady can be exhorated, JJ and JM have to be exhorated. Good luck with that.

  97. thesteelhurtin says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:26 PM
    ashjag says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:10 PM
    Question for fans of other 31 teams: If Brady is fully exonerated by the courts, how many of you will admit that you were wrong and accept that Brady is innocent? The answer to this question would tell if you are after the truth or after the Patriots.

    ——–
    That makes no sense guilty people get off in the court room all the time.

    ————-

    See this is the problem. You have pronounced Brady guilty even before hearing arguments from both sides in the court. And by court I mean actual court and not the Kangaroo court.

  98. limakey says:
    Jul 22, 2015 6:23 PM
    Brady will never be fully exhorated, he lied and nothing can change that. He did not cooperate fully, he took a stand, if was worth the fine, than its worth the time. However, for those who believe this is possible, before Brady can be exhorated, JJ and JM have to be exhorated. Good luck with that.


    He didn’t lie!

    Please tell us what he lied about?

  99. A federal court vacating the suspension (which is unlikely) will not “exonerate” brady. Most reports say his lawyers will only challenge the “process”, and not the actual accusation. JJ and JM may not even be subpoenaed. They’ll just attack the process for loopholes (kinda like the pats do with the rulebook).

    As far as being cheaters, the verdict is already in. 60-70% of nfl fans think the pats and brady are cheaters. Lets just call them all “haters”. LOL

  100. The biggest problem for Brady is that he plays for Bill Belichick and the Patriots, and they’ve already been caught cheating. So when you’re a member of an organization that shows no regard for law and order, you don’t get the benefit of the doubt. I understand the Pats fans who defend Brady, and I understand the other fans who feel like they’ve been cheated. We can go back and forth until the end of time, but nothing will ever change. Giants’ fans feel good that Barry Bonds was finally exonerated of all charges, but the average baseball fan still believes he cheated. Both Bonds and Brady are among the greatest of all time, so they have a much bigger target on their chests. Did you hear the roar in Cincinnati when Pete Rose was announced the other day? Do you think they were cheering in St. Louis? I kinda doubt it. Patriots’ fans have four huge reasons to love Tom Brady.

  101. “tonebones says:
    Jul 22, 2015 6:49 PM
    The biggest problem for Brady is that he plays for Bill Belichick and the Patriots, and they’ve already been caught cheating. So when you’re a member of an organization that shows no regard for law and order, you don’t get the benefit of the doubt. I understand the Pats fans who defend Brady, and I understand the other fans who feel like they’ve been cheated. We can go back and forth until the end of time, but nothing will ever change. Giants’ fans feel good that Barry Bonds was finally exonerated of all charges, but the average baseball fan still believes he cheated. Both Bonds and Brady are among the greatest of all time, so they have a much bigger target on their chests. Did you hear the roar in Cincinnati when Pete Rose was announced the other day? Do you think they were cheering in St. Louis? I kinda doubt it. Patriots’ fans have four huge reasons to love Tom Brady.”


    Only Bonds and Rose cheated. Nobody has anything on Brady, and the NFL even admits it if you read the report

  102. Giants and Reds fans will admit that Bonds cheated/Rose gambled. Heck, they both admit it (finally). Brady is being framed. That was never in question with either Bonds or Rose

  103. Why do Hatetriots think that Goodell is allowed to violate the CBA?

    If he didn’t want to follow the guidelines laid out in the CBA then he should have gave something up at that time.

  104. muslimponder says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:08 PM
    There IS no next step. The NFL is a private employer and are completely free within their rights to punish Tom Brady for refusing to cooperate in an investigation regarding his cheating. Try refusing to cooperate with an investigation at your job instead of assisting to exonerate yourself and see what happens.
    ________________________________________

    Actually, no they are not within their rights. They have rules governing punishment and procedures in the CBA. The league has rights, but so do the employees. And so far the league has violated the CBA in this case about five times. One time being the request for a personal cell phone when not required by the CBA and then holding it against the employee. The CBA states fair and reasonable cooperation, not full cooperation. They tried to go where they shouldn’t and will lose on that matter. And since the Wells report stated Brady fully cooperated up until the request for his phone, there is no chance they can uphold that part of the suspension. They are going to get slaughtered in court regardless of guilt or innocence because of all their missteps.

  105. Brady is going to win big if they go to court which is why Goodell is stalling. The New York Times, no friend of the Pats, published an INDEPENDENT study which shredded the Wells report. Even the Wells report itself said this:
    Pg. 228 sect 13: in sum, the data did not provide a basis for us to determine with absolute certainty whether there was or was not tampering as the analysis of such data ultimately is dependent upon assumptions and information that is not certain.

    So they don’t even know that there was tampering, in the first place. WOW! Kessler has beaten the NFL in court several times already and this would be a crushing humiliation for Goodell and the crook Troy Vincent who never should have been hired in the first place.

  106. Roger wants to delay the defamation lawsuit that is coming after he upholds any length suspension. The only question is how much. 100 million? 200 million? 300 million?

    The owners don’t want to lose that much money, and Roger will be gone shortly after. I would just like it to be Martha Firestone Ford telling Goodell “You’re Fired!”

  107. muslimponder says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:08 PM
    There IS no next step. The NFL is a private employer and are completely free within their rights to punish Tom Brady for refusing to cooperate in an investigation regarding his cheating.

    You might have missed the last 100 years of labor law. Google it

  108. So an NFL player blatantly defies the rules and he gets full union protection.

    I wonder if an NFL coach, GM, scout, or owner can do the same thing and get away scot-free like players do?

    Nope, probably not. Players have union protection, so they can do whatever they want without having to worry about the consequences.

  109. ^The tampering thing above from the Wells report above. Why did you leave the next line out? The one that states a 0.4 % chance that pats balls happen by natural causes.

    Also from Wells report

    McNally told NFL Security that he had been personally told
    by Brady of Brady‟s
    inflation level
    preference.”

    How could this happen if Brady doesn’t who he is or even what he does?

  110. Flash, read, The Deflategate Report Makes Tom Brady Look Very, Very Involved. It proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that not only Brady knew who Jim McNally was but knew what his job was. Brady has totally denied knowing him or what his job. There is a quote from JJ saying that Tom Brady knew who was but what his job was, from Tom himself.

  111. There is no next step. There will be no injunction filed with Judge Judy, Judge Wapner or any other judge, to let Brady play.

    Both the NFL and NFLPA signed off that Goodell hears and decides on any appeals.

    No way Goodell fines New England $1,000,000 and lose draft picks and suspends Brady for 4 games and then he says, what a great presentation by Brady’s legal team. We have made a terrible mistake. Tom Brady is no longer suspended.

    For all the Patriot who are as delusional as Tom Brady, accept it.

  112. fanofpft says:
    Jul 22, 2015 7:28 PM
    ^The tampering thing above from the Wells report above. Why did you leave the next line out? The one that states a 0.4 % chance that pats balls happen by natural causes.

    ————————————————————-

    Because the next line does not say such a thing, nor does it anywhere in the report say that. You should do a little homework before you post – it really makes you look foolish (just like the rest of your posts, actually).

  113. Tom Brady BEFORE his 2 body guards were convicted of attempted murder for firing shots at the paparazzi….
    “We found two guys on our property, and we told them to get out. Our security guys didn’t even have guns. There were no shots fired,”

    Liars can’t stop lying.

  114. Jul 22, 2015 4:10 PM
    Question for fans of other 31 teams: If Brady is fully exonerated by the courts, how many of you will admit that you were wrong and accept that Brady is innocent? The answer to this question would tell if you are after the truth or after the Patriots.

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    Report comment

    …………..

    yeah right. OJ was “exonerated by the courts” and we all know about guilt there.

    “Not guilty” is not the same thing as innocent in a court of law. Not guilty means you had sleazier lawyers than I did

  115. Every time Goodell speaks I am reminded of Orwell’s 1984; he speaks a combination of newspeak and doublethink, or doublespeak. When he uses the term “transparent” he obviously means “opaque”, for not a SINGLE part of the NFL’s handling of this fiasco has been transparent.

    As a Patriots fan I am disgusted with what Goodell has done to the NFL, and I am livid with a man I once admired, Bob Kraft, for going along with this sham and supporting Goodell.

  116. Jul 22, 2015 4:10 PM
    Question for fans of other 31 teams: If Brady is fully exonerated by the courts, how many of you will admit that you were wrong and accept that Brady is innocent? The answer to this question would tell if you are after the truth or after the Patriots.

    ————–
    Here is one definition I found of “not guilty”: “verdict after trial by judge sitting without a jury or by jury (unanimous decision in all but two states, which allow a verdict by only 10 of the jurors), stating that the prosecution has not proved the defendant guilty of crime or that it believes the accused person was insane at the time crime was committed.”

    I don’t see “innocent” or exoneration or did not commit the alleged act as part of the definition.

    Back to your actual question: If, in fact, I see evidence of his INNOCENCE–even outside a court of law–I will accept that his is innocent.

  117. All of this madness has not distracted me one bit from watching all of the glorious NFL Films clips this offseason. It’s so fun to watch Tom Brady’s 2 spectacularly clutch TD drives against the LOB in the Super Bowl along with Malcolm Butler’s tremendous Super Bowl winning INT! The horror the haters must have felt at that moment. Their tears must have tasted like warm peanut cups drizzled over a chocolate cake. Mmm mmm yummy!
    ————————————————-
    3 games to glory IV…yes IV, is glorious. Pick it up on itunes or at the stadium.
    3 glorious hours of mic’ed up Brady, Edelman and Mr. Jones.
    What’s scary– I watched all of them plus the 2 disc 21 games set all in a weekend. That is a ton of winning football.

  118. ashjag says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:10 PM
    Question for fans of other 31 teams: If Brady is fully exonerated by the courts, how many of you will admit that you were wrong and accept that Brady is innocent? The answer to this question would tell if you are after the truth or after the Patriots.

    ——————————————————–

    Kraft already admitted guilt at the owners meeting to the other 31 teams owners and took the light punishment.

  119. restorativejusticeprogram says:
    Jul 22, 2015 7:59 PM

    Where do those two average Joes who were fired for either following Brady’s orders or doing nothing go to get their jobs back?

    +++++++++++++++

    Ask Troy Vincent. He’s the one who demanded that they be suspended and holds the power to reinstate them (not Robert Kraft).

  120. restorativejusticeprogram says:
    Jul 22, 2015 7:59 PM
    Where do those two average Joes who were fired for either following Brady’s orders or doing nothing go to get their jobs back?
    _________________________________________
    That is easy. NFL corporate headquarters since they said the Patriots can’t reinstate them without permission from the NFL. Yet the NFL then claims they had nothing to do with their suspension. It just goes to show how this is a PR frame job that one of the major networks needs to do an investigative report on. But none of them will because they all love the NFL’s monies. The rich get richer by preying on fools like you. Wake up.

  121. Hey NLFPA, how about your players stop manipulating the most important piece of equipment in the game? You’ll save a lot of money in court.

  122. Kraft already admitted guilt at the owners meeting to the other 31 teams owners and took the light punishment.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Show me the transcript / video where Kraft actually admitted guilt, You can’t, because he never did. He stated that he was reluctantly accepting the punishments, nothing about beimg guilty. And it was very smart, because if he ever does decide to go nuclear/Al Davis, that statement will only help him, not hurt him. Don’t let facts get in the way of your judgements.

  123. I hope this goes to federal court. I want to see all the employees involve and Tom Brady testify under oath that they did nothing wrong.

  124. Thank you deweygroup! Its sad but most people (casual fans) believe the stuff you had to reply to! Good to see there are people who go beyond a headline or what the lazy non sports media reports.

  125. Brady won his first super bowl in 2001 and the most recent in the 2014 season.That’s fourteen years of winning, less the one year when he was taken out for a whole season by a cheap hit to the knees.

    What really has the haters’ panties in a bunch is that Brady will play another four years and he will likely play in at least one more super bowl, which would be his seventh.

    After the Patriots flirted with a perfect season in 2007 the haters said Brady would not go back to another. He was back in three years, losing by four points. Again the haters said he would never play in another super bowl but he won one three years later, beating the so-called greatest defense in the history of the NFL that blew out manning and the Broncos the year before.

    The haters know Brady can’t be stopped so they are hoping Goodell will.

  126. rcali says:
    Jul 22, 2015 8:26 PM
    Hey NLFPA, how about your players stop manipulating the most important piece of equipment in the game? You’ll save a lot of money in court.

    ——————————-
    The responsibility of maintaining properly inflated footballs belongs to the NFL. The NFL has ignored this for years and years. Do your job!

  127. Based on the comments, I’d say that 5:1 are real fans to Patriots haters. The haters just want to see the Patriots unjustly penalized because their teams
    can’t compete.

  128. Even if you are silly enough to not have notice the huge holes in the Wells report, at this point any common sense at all tells you that the League’s case is very weak. If it wasn’t, Brady wouldn’t be fighting it like this.

  129. Really, it was not Tom Brady that won the Superbowl, it was the worst call of all time to throw a slant at the one. In addition, one could argue the intercepted pass was a result of pass intererence, depends on one interpretation of the rules, but surely that has been called PI 100+times in the NFL.

    Clearly Tommy Boy was involved in cheating and bribing the crew to fix the balls. The evidence was a clear as could be prior to the Superbowl, he was lucky to have even played in the game. If not for ratings he would have been suspended earlier. A year minimum ban is justified for his illegal actions.

  130. When the saints players went to federal court to force Goodell’s hand all of a sudden Paul Tagliabue was appointed an arbitrator and exonerated all the players of their suspensions. The last thing Goodell’s wants is to testify under oath about the NFL’s inner workings. CBA or not, the players still have federally protected rights. Goodell doesn’t want to open that can of worms.
    He’ll squirm out of this predicament.

  131. This is the golden moment for the nflpa. Brady, the golden boy of the NFL is being prosecuted and believes unjustly. Who has a better opportunity to take this issue over the head of Goodell? Brady and the nflpa should go full bore on this issue and use the opportunity to undermine this ass clown of a commissioner. Take him to court. Render him powerless and the owners will see his ineffectiveness and replace him. Everybody wins- players, fans, and even owners.

  132. It took less than ten seconds for the cheaters to take the air out of the balls and ten months to prove they did it and decide what to do about it.

    It makes the honest folks look dumber than the cheaters. And yes, they are cheaters. Make no mistake about it…

  133. I’m not sure what the heck all the excitement is about. We are talking about the NFL’S answer to George Bret, and that’s if he’s even guilty.

  134. deflected brady in court deflating the appeal goodwell deflated brady both liars cheaters but course goodwell not going make the Wright call

  135. The “Ideal Gas Law” does not explain the texts that demonstrate a CLEAR disregard for the rules in an attempt to gain an unfair competitive advantage. If he has nothing to hide why doesn’t he surrender his phones messages? Long story short: to the rest of the country he looks every bit as guilty as OJ.

  136. Just like they’re prepared to take the next step with the Greg Hardy case…say, whatever happened to that one?

  137. Because the next line does not say such a thing, nor does it anywhere in the report say that. You should do a little homework before you post – it really makes you look foolish (just like the rest of your posts, actually).
    ****
    pointing out how others would take something out of context ( cheating fitting of a follower of the wost team ever to cheat) actually makes the OP look foolish. ( I never noticed any of your posts till now so that is telling)
    (Pg. 228 sect 13)You posted about half of it. The other half states there is no way the differential of air loss is natural as I stated.

    My exact wording is on P 118 that states the 1 or less than 1 per cent chance.

  138. Proving beyond all doubt that the midday to early afternoon moderator is a Patriots homer, as I’ve stated several times. My perfectly benign comments get deleted. It’s like scoring untouched on every play and having it reviewed.

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